Re: Another John Young Sighting
You may laugh but 74% (or whatever is the % who believes Saddam personally piloted all 9/11 planes) of americans will believe it. So Mr. Young is anarchist for all practical purposes and consequences. And you are all his associates. Well, they did have the little info-stripe under John Young's face that said Anarchist, so that proves it. Too bad they didn't use the shakey-letter scary font. -TD Listen to the music...he's evil! (Homer Simpson) _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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-Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 20:57 Sounds like the Discordian concept that everyone is a Pope, and therefore infallible, even when they disagree with one another. Hail Eris. All hail Discordia! -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law Ever lovable and always scrappy, kawaii
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Tyler Durden wrote: I propose that any 'Cypherpunk' can declare himself to be leader and make 'official statements' at any time. Of course, others can (and most probably will) choose to ignore the official statement, or even declare himself to be leader and 'officially' rescind that statement and/or issue a completely contradictory statement. This will be particularly useful when getting (for instance) public interest to move elsewhere. Sounds like the Discordian concept that everyone is a Pope, and therefore infallible, even when they disagree with one another. Hail Eris. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
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From: Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 24, 2004 9:39 AM To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Another John Young Sighting .. 5) CYA. Since 9/11, the lower echelons of the security apparatus know that if Something Bad happens, and they are shown to have discounted any hint or suspicion concerning any person even very peripherally involved, their ass is grass and their career goes in the toilet. Yep, I think you hit it on the head. I'll bet the list of suspected terrorists never get a name removed other than by death, if then. Who wants to be the guy who correctly assessent the evidence to remove someone's name, only to have the same guy blow up a plane a year later? IMO, this seems like a fundamental problem with watchlists. Peter --John Kelsey
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All Hail Cthulhu! Why worship the lesser evil? Vote for Cthulhu! Why vote for the lesser evil? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. /|\ \|/ :They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country /\|/\ --*--:and our people, and neither do we. -G. W. Bush, 2004.08.05 \/|\/ /|\ : \|/ + v + :War is Peace, freedom is slavery, Bush is President. - On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, kawaii ryuko wrote: Hail Eris. All hail Discordia!
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On 2004-08-25T10:28:34-0400, Sunder wrote: All Hail Cthulhu! Why worship the lesser evil? Vote for Cthulhu! Why vote for the lesser evil? You're saying Cthulhu is a greater evil than Bush? Mr. Three Purple Hearts is fairly evil as well. I don't know whether he surpasses Cthulhu though. -- When in our age we hear these words: It will be judged by the result--then we know at once with whom we have the honor of speaking. Those who talk this way are a numerous type whom I shall designate under the common name of assistant professors. -- Kierkegaard, Fear and Trembling (Wong tr.), III, 112
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At 09:09 PM 8/23/04 -0400, An Metet wrote: You may laugh but 74% (or whatever is the % who believes Saddam personally piloted all 9/11 planes) of americans will believe it. So Mr. Young is anarchist for all practical purposes and consequences. And you are all his associates. While acknowledging himself an Anarchist, he does not state to what branch of the organization he belongs ---Discussing Leon Czolgosz' shooting of President William McKinley PS: I thought Tyler had nominated himself as leader? :-) Personally, I'm a sleeper cell for the Bill of Rights...
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Tyler Durden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So...does Mr Young want to describe the FBI non/encounter? (Perhaps he has but I've been out of town and the hotmail account barfed up most recent posts.) What I don't yet fully grasp is why they bother. I suppose there are the following, but I suspect there's one key thing in their minds: 1) Scope out potential sources of arrestability. 2) Intimidate into straighten up and fly right 3) Pre-BB or not so-BB-work: Readily available weapons, etc...in case of raid? 4) Just sniffing out the orietation/motivations...ie, raghead or non-raghead? Of the above I consider 3) Unlikely, 2) Not superlikely, 1) Fairly likely and 4) Most probable. -TD While I agree on your assessment, don't forget 5) CYA. Since 9/11, the lower echelons of the security apparatus know that if Something Bad happens, and they are shown to have discounted any hint or suspicion concerning any person even very peripherally involved, their ass is grass and their career goes in the toilet. Peter
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Variola wrote... PS: I thought Tyler had nominated himself as leader? :-) No, almost the opposite. I propose that any 'Cypherpunk' can declare himself to be leader and make 'official statements' at any time. Of course, others can (and most probably will) choose to ignore the official statement, or even declare himself to be leader and 'officially' rescind that statement and/or issue a completely contradictory statement. This will be particularly useful when getting (for instance) public interest to move elsewhere. For instance, it might be usefulto have an official statement ready if/when the Cryptome press starts poking around Cypherpunks: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Cypherpunks is a collection of diverse individuals dedicated to preserving the freedoms that all Americans value. As part of this effort, Cypherpunks periodically analyzes the systems used by terrorists and other enemies of freedom in an attempt to strengthen such systems and prevent their abuse. Indeed, Cypherpunks has good reason to believe that there are large cells of terrorists and other Men With Guns scattered throughout the nation, even in the DC Beltway area. Or, perhaps there's a Suicide Girl you've been stalking...erh, I mean trying to impress. You might try: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Major Variola (Retired) was recently elected to be the President/Chief Executive Offiicer/King of the Cypherpunks Group(TM). Variola was considered by all to have not only formidable intellectual powers, but a large-ish penis as well. All members of the Cypherpunks list have promised to act upon any official statement by Variola, without delay or question, and around the world are toasting the new era of his leadership. All hail Variola. or Dear Mr Mohammed: I am particularly interested in hearing more about your offer to transfer funds to an eGold account. Please send the money right away, and rest assured that you will have the full support of all members of the Cypherpunks list. And so on... -TD _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone can take that much as a mail attachment, or has an acessible ftp site, I'd be happy to send it. I'd prefer someone who can post it for others. You can send it to me as an attachment and I'll put it up somewhere with a nice fat pipe. The Daily Show clip is now available from http://web.mit.edu/rsw/Public/JohnYoung040820.mpg -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote: Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone can take that much as a mail attachment, or has an acessible ftp site, I'd be happy to send it. I'd prefer someone who can post it for others. You can send it to me as an attachment and I'll put it up somewhere with a nice fat pipe. The Daily Show clip is now available from http://web.mit.edu/rsw/Public/JohnYoung040820.mpg John's an anarchist now! LMAO! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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After some hiccups, I got a copy to Riad S. Wahby, and he has posted it at http://web.mit.edu/rsw/Public/JohnYoung040820.mpg Thanks, Riad! Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trei, Peter Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:11 PM To: John Young; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Another John Young Sighting I caught the rerun. I have John's appearence as an mpg; 13 Mb at VCD qual, ~65 at DVD qual. I think 2 minutes of a 30 minute show counts as fair use. If someone can take that much as a mail attachment, or has an acessible ftp site, I'd be happy to send it. I'd prefer someone who can post it for others. It's funny, but not deep. Peter
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The FBI visit took place in November 2003. Here's an account: http://cryptome.org/fbi-cryptome.htm The John Stewart piece excerpted an AP-TV clip taped on August 16 which was a supplement to an AP story about FBI harassment of potential RNC protestors. AP, like ABC News, confused the unrelated November visit with the August RNC visits. What got their attention were Cryptome's aerials and maps -- red-team exposure of vulnerabilities around Madison Square Garden, and our accusation of NYC security by obscurity. No feds or LEs have inquired about those obvious weaknesses. During interviews we've tried to explain this but that didn't mean shit to the interviewers who were looking for people to brand anarchists who had been smeared by FBI visits. Why are you helping terrorists, they chant. We had no contact with the Daily Show. And didn't use the term anarchist in interviews although several interviewers urged it. We told one interviewer that anarchism was too mild for our intention to undermine civilization, to rid the earth of humanity, for the planet to shrivel into nothingness, to accept that the desire to be god was a useless passion. Oh shit, he said, you're a Sartrean. Merde, oui.
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On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 21:09, An Metet wrote: John's an anarchist now! LMAO! This is a perfect example of media bias and manufacture of enemies. Collecting public material at one place *is* anarchism today. You may laugh but 74% (or whatever is the % who believes Saddam personally piloted all 9/11 planes) of americans will believe it. So Mr. Young is anarchist for all practical purposes and consequences. And you are all his associates. Thanks for reminding me. I'd been putting off ordering my CD set. OTGH, I'm noticing a fair number of self-described anarchists who say they'll vote Bush, but only because it will hasten the inevitable final breakdown. -- Roy M. Silvernail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you're not Progress, like reality, is not optional. - R. A. Hettinga SpamAssassin-procmail-/dev/null-bliss http://www.rant-central.com
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That was a surprise and I missed it. Saw the re-run just now. Pretty funny, ISTM. The clip was from an AP TV piece which was taped just before the recent AP story. One day a still photographer and video guy came to do a follow-up to a telephone interview by Tom Hays, the AP reporter. No fanfare like the ABC News gang. The two were in and out in 20 minutes. Each carried his own equipment, the TV guy packing a heavy shoulder camera. No lighting, no rigging, a mic, a recorder, the camera. He asked a couple of questions, said just talk, so I did. He said turn off the radio. Shot the barking carcass. He said walk down the corridor, don't talk. He shot a couple of scrolling screens, packed up, took off. The still camera guy was the only journalist over recent days who showed press ID, wore it around his neck. He was a black man, so it figures. He said, without prompting, you know it's amazing how people let the press into their homes and offices, no questions asked. We could be cops or feds and nobody'd know. He said a couple of guys showed up at his home while the baby-sitter and his daughter were alone, had talked their way past the doorman, said they were cops, but showed no ID. The baby-sitter said show me ID. The guys said we don't need to. The babysitter said go to hell and slammed the door. The next day, the photog called the precinct to see if its cops had come. Precinct said nobody from here went there, but maybe they were from another jurisdiction. He said he never learned who they were or why they came. A black women reporter came a couple of days ago, showed no ID but mesmerizing giant hooters in a deep-cut blouse. Don't remember what I told her, her name or who she worked for. Fought hard to look at her eyes, I think.
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Trei, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone can take that much as a mail attachment, or has an acessible ftp site, I'd be happy to send it. I'd prefer someone who can post it for others. You can send it to me as an attachment and I'll put it up somewhere with a nice fat pipe. -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Another John Young Sighting
Was that our John Young on the Daily Show, talking about being visited by FBI agents, with the title Anarchist under his name? -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
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On Aug 20 2004, Bill Stewart wrote: | Yup. Reruns of the Daily Show are usually on at 7pm the following day, | though check your local cable schedule. Don't suppose anyone is willing to record and post for those of us who don't have access to US channels right now?
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At 11:50 PM 8/19/2004, Eric Cordian wrote: Was that our John Young on the Daily Show, talking about being visited by FBI agents, with the title Anarchist under his name? Yup. Reruns of the Daily Show are usually on at 7pm the following day, though check your local cable schedule.
