Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
At 04:23 PM 12/19/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Funny how most Americans only wake up after it happens to them. As EC said, the only we understand is dead Merkins. Case in point? How 'bout that proud-n-patriotic lady in Farenheit 911? As far as I could tell, prior to her son's death she was all in favor of the Attack on Iraq and even encouraged her son to serve (I hate that fucking Karma rules, mofo.
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
The subject header is very nice. --- J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several points come to mind: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. You say that like it's a bad thing. The real world, that is. Most people find that the real world isn't all bad, and get on with their lives. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. Oh, it's even simpler to deal with than that. Technology (for real this time) will eventually make air travel, at it's current state-of-the-art, obsolete, thus obviating the immediate inconveniences that spur like complaints. It's all simply a matter of obtaining the proper perspective. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. This is fairly cogent. In the real world, large bureaucracies are not so good at handling a wide variety of different things. Corporations usually specialize in one major product area, and don't do so well when they expand into areas that differ too much from their core product. Don't blame the ACLU too much, it's really not their fault if they fail to fully leverage their expertise and influence in every single case. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but That's strange. I find that one's personal life is never really much of a concern to for most people in our society. I know a large number of people, personally, who give virtually no thought to their own lives outside of work. Myself, I am also inclined in that direction. Today, most of the people I know are out satisfying their Christmas obligations. And while those who choose to enjoy the season are fully engaged in the spirit of merrymaking, it is very nice that at least the holiday is entirely voluntary. So far, I have not had to fight off any Christmas carolers, nor have I received any unpleasant gifts (although I will tell you more later about the non-Jewish group I saw recently that seemed to be confused by Chanukah). Which is why, incidentally, that I rarely have to care about my personal life. As much as can be expected, my personal life caries on in the best way possible, thus requiring none of the time and attention that would be better directed elsewhere. when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. These things happen from time to time. The best advice that you could give to the original author would be to suggest that he relax and wait until the incident passes. Regards, Steve (Sent only to Mr. Terranson yesterday, thought it would amuse the list and so resent.) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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JAT wrote... You keep asserting this, but at the same time fail to provide an example. Please show how flying can easily be a requirement, not an option. One legitimate example will suffice. Later. (Actually, I didn't 'keep asserting this', but that's a separate matter) So, your position is that we should not take action now, because we may have to take the same action later? Well, that's a good point...I think I viewed your previous analysis on a more philosophical level (because that's how it was phrased), but when you put it this way it starts to make some sense. In other words, avoiding travel whenever possible will (when added to sheeple starting to do the same because of all the terible screening stories) eventually start putting some squeeze on the airlines. (But then again, DC has plenty of our tax dollars ready to bail out an incompetent set of airline managers.) It won't hurt at least. As for the former, I am suprised you even need examples...asking for them weakens your main point. There are plenty of examples to be had, and I'll give you an easy one. You're a hot looking, leggy and not super-bright saleschick that ALWAYS makes the sale in person (read: Big Bonuses), and much less frequently over the phone (read: failed sales quotas and eventual layoff). Your territory is Northwest meaning Oregon, NO Cal, Washington, Vancouver, and lots of those weird states over there like Idaho and whatnot. You can't possibly drive fast enough to make all your meetings in your territory. Will you... 1) Phone it in 2) Do some kind of lameass video conferencing 3) Fly 4) Get a job at McDonalds tiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktiktik RING! Times up...
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, there's a TINY little hole in your logic here... Scale of distance is the only difference. Either you support the system or you don't. I don't: I either drive to jobs (charging for mileage) or I pass on them, rather than take part in the police state that is todays air system. You have the very same choices. The argument eveyone is making here is that it is too much of an inconvenience (financial or otherwise), *not* to fly. Sorry, but that's just pure self-serving BS. For one, Flying can easily be a requirement, not an option. You keep asserting this, but at the same time fail to provide an example. Please show how flying can easily be a requirement, not an option. One legitimate example will suffice. But that's besides the point here. No - that's the entire point here. The real point is that some Super-JAT could (5 years from now when there are ubiquitous highway checkpoints) argue that walking from NYC to Boston may be difficult but it IS possible. Or of course (after Tenent's vision for the internet is realized) You could simply Fedex those files, you don't need to use the internet So, your position is that we should not take action now, because we may have to take the same action later? If people would assert their economic powers today through refusal to fund the airlines, the same threat would prevent your example from being possible in the future. The only reason your walking scenario is even a little plausible is because TheMan/G'mint/etc., knows that there will be no pushback on *any* front. Also, not that while airlines are heavily regulated, they are not (theoretically at least) publicly funded, and as such, your right to use them is limited - whereas roads are public property, and will be a lot harder to place prohibitions upon. A real boycott of airlines would take only days to bring both the airlines and the TSA to it's knees - the economic impact would be both national in scope and immediate in effect: you can make no legitimate argument for not addressing the TSA problem head on. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 11:56 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, there's a TINY little hole in your logic here... [J.A. Terranson wrote:] Scale of distance is the only difference. Either you support the system or you don't. I don't: I either drive to jobs (charging for mileage) or I pass on them, rather than take part in the police state that is todays air system. You have the very same choices. The argument eveyone is making here is that it is too much of an inconvenience (financial or otherwise), *not* to fly. Sorry, but that's just pure self-serving BS. For one, Flying can easily be a requirement, not an option. But that's besides the point here. The real point is that some Super-JAT could (5 years from now when there are ubiquitous highway checkpoints) argue that walking from NYC to Boston may be difficult but it IS possible. Or of course (after Tenent's vision for the internet is realized) You could simply Fedex those files, you don't need to use the internet Agreed, if you want or need to get between cities faster than land-based travel will allow, flying is in fact a requirement. That was, in fact, my point. (Would anyone actually resort to walking between NYC and Boston?) As an aside, I often jokingly used the phrase the only broadband connections we would have would be UPS and FedEx back in the days when DSL and cable modem connections were not as ubitiquous (yes I know satellite is also an option but it's $DEITY-awful slow and only usable for the most basic of needs). However, regulation of the Internet such that couriers would be the only feasible way to move large amounts of data around (burned to CD or DVD as the case may be) is not a joking matter in the least. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
Well, there's a TINY little hole in your logic here... Scale of distance is the only difference. Either you support the system or you don't. I don't: I either drive to jobs (charging for mileage) or I pass on them, rather than take part in the police state that is todays air system. You have the very same choices. The argument eveyone is making here is that it is too much of an inconvenience (financial or otherwise), *not* to fly. Sorry, but that's just pure self-serving BS. For one, Flying can easily be a requirement, not an option. But that's besides the point here. The real point is that some Super-JAT could (5 years from now when there are ubiquitous highway checkpoints) argue that walking from NYC to Boston may be difficult but it IS possible. Or of course (after Tenent's vision for the internet is realized) You could simply Fedex those files, you don't need to use the internet ..and so on...it get silly after this though. -TD
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: put it this way it starts to make some sense. In other words, avoiding travel whenever possible will (when added to sheeple starting to do the same because of all the terible screening stories) eventually start putting some squeeze on the airlines. I expect that eventually in this context would == (hours to [one or two] days) (But then again, DC has plenty of our tax dollars ready to bail out an incompetent set of airline managers.) It won't hurt at least. Even DC can't bail out *all* the airlines. That kind of boycott *would* hurt, and hurt badly. And *fast*. As for the former, I am suprised you even need examples...asking for them weakens your main point. There are plenty of examples to be had, and I'll give you an easy one. You're a hot looking, leggy and not super-bright saleschick that ALWAYS makes the sale in person (read: Big Bonuses), and much less frequently over the phone (read: failed sales quotas and eventual layoff). Your territory is Northwest meaning Oregon, NO Cal, Washington, Vancouver, and lots of those weird states over there like Idaho and whatnot. You can't possibly drive fast enough to make all your meetings in your territory. Will you... 1) Phone it in 2) Do some kind of lameass video conferencing 3) Fly 4) Get a job at McDonalds First of all, this is a *great* example of why flying is an *option*, and not a requirement. That said, option number 4 is the obvious choice - however, our leggy bimbo's mileage may vary. The people of this country have long lost their voice for anything but whining about how bad things are. Since collectively, our economic voice is our loudest voice, it is the one that should be used for the effecting of immediate and comprehensive change. The various non-arguments against this all amount to the same thing: we want change, but we don't want to have to do anything that might also have any kind of unpleasantness associated with it. Fuck that shit. Either you believe that this shit is wrong, and you are willing to put your money where your mouth is, or you can STFU when the nice TSA lady jams her fist up your ass looking for a reason to show you who's really in charge here. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:57:08AM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: If you *need* to get to Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc., driving, riding Greyhound, or riding Amtrak are NOT OPTIONS. Emigration is always an option, though. Quite a few have done that already. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpoiBVBIQ9G9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
[Note, I'm on the list, and I don't need two copies of every message in this thread] On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 06:34 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Agreed, if you want And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what it boils down to. You *want* things your own way, but you are too fucking spoiled to fight fo it - so instead you whine and moan. Did you even read the rest of the post? Let me requote what I actually wrote, in its entirety. Agreed, if you want or need to get between cities faster than land-based travel will allow, flying is in fact a requirement. That was, in fact, my point. If you *need* to be somewhere 1000 miles or more away within a few hours, driving, riding Greyhound, or riding Amtrak are NOT OPTIONS. If you *need* to get to Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc., driving, riding Greyhound, or riding Amtrak are NOT OPTIONS. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2004-12-21T10:38:10-0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: put it this way it starts to make some sense. In other words, avoiding travel whenever possible will (when added to sheeple starting to do the same because of all the terible screening stories) eventually start putting some squeeze on the airlines. I expect that eventually in this context would == (hours to [one or two] days) Academic. Everyone will not boycott, so the time frame will increase. (But then again, DC has plenty of our tax dollars ready to bail out an incompetent set of airline managers.) It won't hurt at least. Even DC can't bail out *all* the airlines. That kind of boycott *would* hurt, and hurt badly. And *fast*. Never play chicken with the federal government. They can bail out all the airlines (minus one: they don't need to bail out Southwest Airlines). They'd just need to raise taxes or increase the debt, neither of which is a major impediment. 1) Phone it in 2) Do some kind of lameass video conferencing 3) Fly 4) Get a job at McDonalds First of all, this is a *great* example of why flying is an *option*, and not a requirement. That said, option number 4 is the obvious choice - however, our leggy bimbo's mileage may vary. This is a bit misleading. The leggy bimbo can choose option 4 if she's not smart enough to do something else... like _local_ sales, or even starting up a psychic reading shop and making lots of money from other bimbos.
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On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 10:53 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. I can concur with this, though it wouldn't surprise me if lying on police reports has increased since then. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. He may not have a choice. There are three choices for intracity travel in the US: air, automobile (I'm lumping intracity buses in with personal cars here for a reason that will be obvious later), and train. First, let's look at automobile travel, which includes buses. There is one major intracity bus company left and that's Greyhound. They tend to be cheap, and thus attract people who can't afford to fly. The only advantage over driving your own car, is you don't have to worry about doing the driving yourself (Go Greyhound and leave the driving to us if you remember the old commercials). Generally, automobile travel is nearly unworkable if you're going farther than, say, a 10-hour drive or about 500 miles. As for Amtrak (the last passenger rail line left), well, that may be just as bad in most cases. I have heard that the government subsidies of Amtrak are being dropped to lower and lower levels, and as such they are not making enough money to operate at acceptable standards to most of us. Read misc.transport.rail sometime and you will see what I mean. Also, you don't get there that much faster than with automobile travel, and I think it may actually cost more. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. I wouldn't speak so ill of the ACLU. Groups like the ACLU are just about the last thing standing between what's left of our democracy and an outright dictatorship. White people aren't even necessarily the majority anymore. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. This is downright insensitive. (Mr. Monahan, if you actually get to read this, Terranson does *not* represent the views of all of us in the least.) I really have a good mind to archive this and send it back to you when your wife gets pregnant and something similar happens to you. And again, he likely didn't continue to fly because he wanted to. See #2 above. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Several points come to mind: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:25:32 -0500 From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html LewRockwell.com Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? by Nicholas Monahan ? ?? ?? ?? This morning I'll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn't want to do it this way - neither of us did - but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees. On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we'd been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis. At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the inspection that's all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined (Anything could be in here, sir, I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot, my arms stretched out, the other leg sticking out in front of me àla a DUI test. I began to get pissed off, as most normal people would. My anger increased when I realized that the newly knighted federal employees weren't just examining me, but my 712 months pregnant wife as well. I'd originally thought that I'd simply been randomly selected for the more excessive than normal search. You know, Number 50 or whatever. Apparently not though - it was both of us. These are your new threats, America: pregnant accountants and their sleepy husbands flying to weddings. After some more grumbling on my part they eventually finished with me and I went to retrieve our luggage from the x-ray machine. Upon returning I found my wife sitting in a chair, crying. Mary rarely cries, and certainly not in public. When I asked her what was the matter, she tried to quell her tears and sobbed, I'm sorry...it's...they touched my breasts...and... That's all I heard. I marched up to the woman who'd been examining her and shouted, What did you do to her? Later I found out that in addition to touching her swollen breasts - to protect the American citizenry - the employee had asked that she lift up her shirt. Not behind a screen, not off to the side - no, right there, directly in front of the
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On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 12:01 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: He may not have a choice. Bullshit. 100% bullshit. Unless you are trying to cover a lot of lake, flying is an option, not a requirement. Driving sucks - I do it a lot, and hate every mile of it - but it *is* an option. If you need to get from, say, Houston to Seattle, in less than a full day, how is driving an option? Remember the buses. Remember what happened when them negroes got uppity and stopped taking the bus? Those were local transit buses, not intercity buses. Huge difference. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html LewRockwell.com Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? by Nicholas Monahan ? ?? ?? ?? This morning I'll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn't want to do it this way - neither of us did - but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees. On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we'd been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis. At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the inspection that's all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined (Anything could be in here, sir, I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot, my arms stretched out, the other leg sticking out in front of me àla a DUI test. I began to get pissed off, as most normal people would. My anger increased when I realized that the newly knighted federal employees weren't just examining me, but my 712 months pregnant wife as well. I'd originally thought that I'd simply been randomly selected for the more excessive than normal search. You know, Number 50 or whatever. Apparently not though - it was both of us. These are your new threats, America: pregnant accountants and their sleepy husbands flying to weddings. After some more grumbling on my part they eventually finished with me and I went to retrieve our luggage from the x-ray machine. Upon returning I found my wife sitting in a chair, crying. Mary rarely cries, and certainly not in public. When I asked her what was the matter, she tried to quell her tears and sobbed, I'm sorry...it's...they touched my breasts...and... That's all I heard. I marched up to the woman who'd been examining her and shouted, What did you do to her? Later I found out that in addition to touching her swollen breasts - to protect the American citizenry - the employee had asked that she lift up her shirt. Not behind a screen, not off to the side - no, right there, directly in front of the hundred or so passengers standing in line. And for you women who've been pregnant and worn maternity pants, you know how ridiculous those things look. I felt like a clown, my wife told me later. On display for all these people, with the cotton panel on my pants and my stomach sticking out. When I sat down I just lost my composure and began to cry. That's when you walked up. Of course when I say she told me later, it's because she wasn't able to tell me at the time, because as soon as I demanded to know what the federal employee had done to make her cry, I was swarmed by Portland police officers. Instantly. Three of them, cinching my arms, locking me in handcuffs, and telling me I was under arrest. Now my wife really began to cry. As they led me away and she ran alongside, I implored her to calm down, to think of the baby, promising her that everything would turn out all right. She faded into the distance and I was shoved into an elevator, a cop holding each arm. After making me face the corner, the head honcho told that I was under arrest and that I wouldn't be flying that day - that I was in fact a menace. It took me a while to regain my composure. I felt like I was one of those guys in The Gulag Archipelago who, because the proceedings all seem so unreal, doesn't fully realize that he is in fact being arrested in a public place in front of crowds of people for...for what? I didn't know what the crime was. Didn't matter. Once upstairs, the officers made me remove my shoes and my hat and tossed me into a cell. Yes, your airports have prison cells, just like your amusement parks, train stations, universities, and national forests. Let freedom reign. After a short time I received a visit from the arresting officer. Mr. Monahan, he started, Are you on drugs? Was this even real? No, I'm not on drugs. Should you be? What do you mean? Should you be on any type of medication? No. Then why'd you react that way back there? You see the thinking? You see what passes for reasoning among your domestic shock troops these days? Only whackos get angry over seeing the woman they've been with for ten years in tears because someone has touched her breasts. That kind of reaction - love, protection - it's mind-boggling! Mr. Monahan, are you on drugs? His snide words rang inside my head. This is my wife, finally pregnant with our
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(4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. Funny how most Americans only wake up after it happens to them. Case in point? How 'bout that proud-n-patriotic lady in Farenheit 911? As far as I could tell, prior to her son's death she was all in favor of the Attack on Iraq and even encouraged her son to serve (I hate that fucking word)...the only thing that changed her mind was that HER son was killed (the piles of dead Iraqis in their own country didn't matter and hell nor did the other dead US soldiers). So when she was hanging around in front of the White House I didn't have a hell of a lot of sympathy. -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:53:26 -0600 (CST) Several points come to mind: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:25:32 -0500 From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html LewRockwell.com Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? by Nicholas Monahan ? ?? ?? ?? This morning I'll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn't want to do it this way - neither of us did - but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees. On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we'd been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis. At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the inspection that's all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined (Anything could be in here, sir, I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot,
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: He may not have a choice. Bullshit. 100% bullshit. Unless you are trying to cover a lot of lake, flying is an option, not a requirement. Driving sucks - I do it a lot, and hate every mile of it - but it *is* an option. Remember the buses. Remember what happened when them negroes got uppity and stopped taking the bus? (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. This is downright insensitive. (Mr. Monahan, if you actually get to read this, Terranson does *not* represent the views of all of us in the least.) I really have a good mind to archive this and send it back to you when your wife gets pregnant and something similar happens to you. Archive any fucking thing you want, and send it to whomever you like, whenever you like. Insensitive? Maybe. But it's true as well. I have zero tolerance for you and Monahan and those like you, who will feed this bitch while continuing to complain. Put up or shut up. Fly or don't. But if you're going to feed this fucker, then you *will* eventually pay this kind of price - and you will have DESERVED IT. If for no other reason than you helped to heap it upon other through your financial support. And again, he likely didn't continue to fly because he wanted to. See #2 above. And, again, Bullshit. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: If you need to get from, say, Houston to Seattle, in less than a full day, how is driving an option? Farm the work out. Or pass on the job. Or take a plane. Or drive - the are *all* options. None of them are *requirements*. Remember the buses. Remember what happened when them negroes got uppity and stopped taking the bus? Those were local transit buses, not intercity buses. Huge difference. Scale of distance is the only difference. Either you support the system or you don't. I don't: I either drive to jobs (charging for mileage) or I pass on them, rather than take part in the police state that is todays air system. You have the very same choices. The argument eveyone is making here is that it is too much of an inconvenience (financial or otherwise), *not* to fly. Sorry, but that's just pure self-serving BS. You either work against the problem, or you live with the problem you have (a) helped to create and (b) actively work to maintain (with your ticket dollars). If you choose to maintain the system, then you have no business bitching when it turns it's jaundiced eyes towards you. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
