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At 06:52 PM 10/27/2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: .. ... Kerry ... In the meantime, Bill, I um, feel your pain. He's *my* senator. And the *liberal* one, too. Hey, we've got DiFi here, who's unfortunately been more effective at getting things she wants. But it's Barbara Boxer who's up for election this round. Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 1:37 AM -0700 10/28/04, Bill Stewart wrote: At 06:52 PM 10/27/2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: .. ... Kerry ... In the meantime, Bill, I um, feel your pain. He's *my* senator. And the *liberal* one, too. Hey, we've got DiFi here, *liberal* as opposed to Kennedy, of course. :-). Ever see a Senator swim? You will, in Massachusetts... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Bill Stewart wrote: And MoveOn seems to have mostly disappeared. So, I'm not the only one who's noticed this? Obviously, Kerry was coming a bit too close to an actual win...:-( -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core S. Plath, Temper of Time
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Tyler Durden wrote: I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. but presumably, lower down the list than shrub and his current advisors?
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 6:14 PM -0700 10/27/04, Bill Stewart wrote: Kerry's a content-free stuffed shirt *I* coulda told you that. I'm from Massachusetts. Here's what I wrote about the War Hero (2.0) on another list: A guy just like, say, John Kerry, back-door preppie turned social-climber turned military opportunist medal-fabricator turned communist (Viet Cong) turned dishonorably discharged gigolo ($300 million) turned Democratic ward-heelling coatholder turned Dukakis snot-wipe turned Kennedy snot-wipe turned car-living beer-bummer turned Liveshot camera-hog turned gigolo (just south of a billion) turned crocodile-teared POW-sop turned communist (Sandinista) turned do-nothing Senator, whose accent went from Yiddish to Brahamin to Southie Irish to middle-america received pronounciation to (apparently last week) redneck get me a huntin' license, all of which, just like his opinion on any issue you could name, turned on a dime to give you nine cents change, depending on who he was talking to at the time. In the immortal words of Mr. Parker, Kerry's a pussy who's so full of shit he might as well be an asshole. In a lot of ways, he's just Dukakis, stretched out on the Marxist rack, only his voice got lower. who no longer has the guts that he had during his anti-war days Sorry. Even then, he was a pussy. He had Karl Marx and Uncle Ho shoved so far into both lower orifices he had sticky fluid coming out all of his *upper* ones... In the meantime, Bill, I um, feel your pain. He's *my* senator. And the *liberal* one, too. Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQYBQ7MPxH8jf3ohaEQKPdwCfbtTso0OyuD107uKvdNMfwpCd61sAmwW0 b4f4lRRmsks7KQsF9drn/QVD =ARaU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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At 05:11 PM 10/27/2004, Dave Howe wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. but presumably, lower down the list than shrub and his current advisors? Oh, definitely much lower(even if he wins :-). And if he loses, he ought to take Nader's place as the spoiled the election guy, or at least Dukakis's. They say we've got the best politicians money can buy, but we sure should be able to buy better politicians than him. Kerry was one of the worst runnable Democrats they could find. Edwards was worse, and at the time I thought Gephardt was worse, though Kerry's chickened out enough that he might not win, which would be worse than Gephardt winning. Kerry's a content-free stuffed shirt who no longer has the guts that he had during his anti-war days, which is a big problem in a campaign about emotions and values and Fearmongering, and Edwards is all pretty face with no apparent soul either. He's thoroughly failed to propose anything positive or concrete (saying Help is on the way just doesn't cut it, especially if you don't have anything to offer except not being Bush) and he's let his I'm a war hero stance get in the way of bashing Bush's incompetence in the war and bashing Bush's fundamental dishonesty. He's let Karl Rove dominate the emotional campaign, and failed to take the high road aggressively but tried to fight back against Rove on Rove's territory, which is futile. The only time he really got anywhere emotionally was during the parts of the debates where he would talk about how Bush's father did x/y/z and Bush Jr. wasn't up to it, which left Bush squirming at his podium, and he failed to catch on to the fact that Bush-o-nomics is the same Voodoo Economics that Bush Sr. criticized when he was running against Reagan. Howard Dean would have been fun, but he was enough of a threat to the establishment that they had to stop him (especially the Democratic establishment, because he was rebuilding an actual political party with some grass roots in it as opposed to the current pure astroturf.) And MoveOn seems to have mostly disappeared.
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On 2004-10-25T22:32:48+0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:20:28PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: *Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's. What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too Maybe an assassin got past his home defense network?
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:16:22 -0500 (CDT), J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: I've just never encountered anyone who had NO doubt about anything the current regime is doing. Really? I have - every single person voting for Shrub seems to be exhibiting this particular blindness. Yet what of your blindness, which doubts *everything* the current administration does? -- Pete Capelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.capelli.org PGP Key ID:0x829263B6 Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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Well, the Bush supporters I've met aren't normally so sure. They'll kind of hem and haw, or saw Well, he's got advisors..., or Well, Kerry ain't any better. Once in a while they'll point to Buh's believability or decisiveness, but I've never seen anyone (besides Mr Donald) attempt the role of super-apolegist for anything the current regime has done. Oddly, when I see Bush speak, I actually in a weird way kind of like him. Or at least, I believe that he believes in what he's doing. Don't get me wrong now: he's completely wrong, and a wan smile would cross my lips if his meeting with Jesus were hastened quite a bit. -TD Old mother Reagan went to heaven at the pearly gates she was stopped. (Violent Femmes) From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Donald's Job Description Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:16:22 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: I've just never encountered anyone who had NO doubt about anything the current regime is doing. Really? I have - every single person voting for Shrub seems to be exhibiting this particular blindness. -TD -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core S. Plath, Temper of Time _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:40:12 -0400, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the Bush supporters I've met aren't normally so sure. They'll kind of hem and haw, or saw Well, he's got advisors..., or Well, Kerry ain't any better. Once in a while they'll point to Buh's believability or decisiveness, but I've never seen anyone (besides Mr Donald) attempt the role of super-apolegist for anything the current regime has done. What percentage of Kerry supporters are supporters, and not just an anti-Bush vote? Oddly, when I see Bush speak, I actually in a weird way kind of like him. Or at least, I believe that he believes in what he's doing. Don't get me wrong now: he's completely wrong, and a wan smile would cross my lips if his meeting with Jesus were hastened quite a bit. This is my point. He hasn't done *everything* wrong, yet given the shrill denouncements from both sides, you'd think that both the candidates were complete morons. I'd think there would be some measured discussion on this list, but its the same slogans spewed out. Do you really think Kerry wouldnt have signed the Patriot Act if he was president? Federalized the drivers license requirements? Pushed for socialized medicine with central controls? Kerry or Bush, Kang or Kodos, in the end it means the same thing. -- Pete Capelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.capelli.org PGP Key ID:0x829263B6 Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: You MUST be new here, Pete ole boy... Do you really think Kerry wouldnt have signed the Patriot Act if he was president? Federalized the drivers license requirements? Pushed for socialized medicine with central controls? Kerry or Bush, Kang or Kodos, in the end it means the same thing. I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. Here: Allow me to be the very first - Kerry Very Definitely NEEDS KILLING. But not until Georgie has had *his* turn. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core S. Plath, Temper of Time
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You MUST be new here, Pete ole boy... Do you really think Kerry wouldnt have signed the Patriot Act if he was president? Federalized the drivers license requirements? Pushed for socialized medicine with central controls? Kerry or Bush, Kang or Kodos, in the end it means the same thing. I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. You MIGHT find some Cypherpunks put up a weak counter-argument just to keep an open mind on the matter, but I doubt it. -TD _ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx
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At 1:57 PM -0500 10/25/04, J.A. Terranson wrote: Here: Allow me to be the very first - Kerry Very Definitely NEEDS KILLING. But not until Georgie has had *his* turn. Exactly the point I was making before. Binary politics are a bitch, boys and girls. viz, I'm as cryptoanarchist as the next guy, but kill the [democrats/republicans] first means that we are, in fact, democrats or republicans and not cryptoanarchists, and will remain so until there aren't democrats/republicans/libertarians/greens/whatever, to vote for to begin with. That means a structural change in *physics*, and not politics. In the vein of another canonical cypherpunk, cypherpunks write code. Doesn't mean that politics is not a topic of discussion around here, far from it. This list is, has been, mostly, since its inception, a watering hole and not a working list, but we have to remember not the put the political cart before the physical/financial/economic horse. To mangle my favorite Clinton (George): Free (as in liberty...) your code and your political mind will follow. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:10:14 -0400, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You MUST be new here, Pete ole boy... Not exactly ... I'm sure there are several Cypherpunks who would be very quick to describe Kerry as needs killing. I'm not advocating Tim May style actions, although I do miss his postings. He did keep things active, and was an excellent counterbalance to RAH. Not that I can boast of adding much to the discussions. You MIGHT find some Cypherpunks put up a weak counter-argument just to keep an open mind on the matter, but I doubt it. I'd prefer more discussions about encryption/anonymity than discussions of the fitness, or lack thereof of the presidential candidates. So I need to look internally for that, and contribute myself. -- Pete Capelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.capelli.org PGP Key ID:0x829263B6 Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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At 2:33 PM -0400 10/25/04, Pete Capelli wrote: He did keep things active, and was an excellent counterbalance to RAH. *Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 25, 2004 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Donald's Job Description Well, the Bush supporters I've met aren't normally so sure. They'll kind of hem and haw, or saw Well, he's got advisors..., or Well, Kerry ain't any better. Once in a while they'll point to Buh's believability or decisiveness, but I've never seen anyone (besides Mr Donald) attempt the role of super-apolegist for anything the current regime has done. This is my experience, too. Bush supporters I know prefer him to Kerry, not because he's a great and infallable leader, but because they think he's doing a reasonable job relative to what Kerry would do. It's not like this is an entirely nutty position to take, since Kerry really does seem to blow a lot of smoke when talking about Iraq, albeit less than Bush does. .. --John
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At 10:32 PM +0200 10/25/04, Eugen Leitl wrote: What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tcmay%40got.nethl=enlr=c2coff=1safe=offsa=Gscoring=d Too bad. Here we go... http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100hl=enlr=safe=offc2coff=1scoring=dq=%22Tim+May%22btnG=Search -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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At 10:32 PM +0200 10/25/04, Eugen Leitl wrote: What's he up to these days? Probably in jail. :-). I told him not to throw rocks at cop-cars... Cheers, RAH Okay, so he's probably not in *jail*... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:20:28PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: *Nobody* was a counterbalance to Tim, me or anyone else. Simple fact, no matter how much he pissed on my shoes, or anyone else's. What's he up to these days? It seems he got tired of of USENET, too http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tcmay%40got.nethl=enlr=c2coff=1safe=offsa=Gscoring=d Too bad. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgprLvkBjwgDx.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Here we go... http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100hl=enlr=safe=offc2coff=1scoring=dq=%22Tim+May%22btnG=Search Wow! He's gotten even worse! US Code 10 does not enslave me to some militia that holds views generally counter to my own (that negroes mostly need killing, that abortion is fully legal, that all drugs are legal, that women are too hormone-addled to have the right to vote, and that many tens of millions of Jews, niggers, Mexicans, PRs, and other criminals ought to be sent up in smoke). Someone please send him a refill for that thorazine scrip! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core S. Plath, Temper of Time
Donald's Job Description
I have a hunch that Mr. Donald is instead playing the role of an elaborate devil's advocate, furiously defending his stance against retaliations by our fellow Cypherpunks. Tyler Durden mentioned this hypothesis many emails ago, and I believe him to be accurate, especially since Mr. Donald never responded to the charge. Well, specifically my suspicion was (and to some extent still is) that part of Mr Donald's job description may involve posting to cypherpunks...he may be part of some Ministry of Love somewhere, probably in the DC beltway. Either that or perhaps it's not an official part of his job, but he's trying to defend the actions he takes as part of his job. I've just never encountered anyone who had NO doubt about anything the current regime is doing. -TD From: Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Airport insanity Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:37:02 -0400 You know, the more I read posts by Mr. Donald, the more I believe that he is quite possibly the most apt troll I have ever encountered. It is quite apparent from reading his responses that he is obviously an exceptionally intelligent (academically anyway) individual. I find it hard to believe that such intelligence could reside in a person with such critically flawed core beliefs. I have a hunch that Mr. Donald is instead playing the role of an elaborate devil's advocate, furiously defending his stance against retaliations by our fellow Cypherpunks. Tyler Durden mentioned this hypothesis many emails ago, and I believe him to be accurate, especially since Mr. Donald never responded to the charge. None-the-less, this has been one of the more inteteresting (and infuriating) threads in recent memory of Cypherpunks. I'm glad we're going through it with such vigor. -Adam On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:39:05 -0700, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -- Thomas Shaddack: It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who knows when being interested in anon e-cash will become a ground to blacklist *you*. James A. Donald: I know when it will happen. It will happen when people interested in anon ecash go on suicide missions. :-) Bill Stewart More likely, when anon ecash money-launderers start being accused of funding terrorist activities. When e-currency handlers (cambists) are accused of money laundering terrorist's money, the feds steal the money, but they do not obstruct them from travelling, or, surprisingly, even from doing business - well, perhaps not so surprisingly, for if they stopped them from doing business there would be nothing to steal. When the state uses repressive measures against those that seek to murder us, there is still a large gap between that and using repressive measures against everyone. We are not terrorists, we don't look like terrorists, we don't sound like terrorists. Indeed, the more visible real terrorists are, the less even Tim McViegh looks like a terrorist and the more he looks like a patriot. When people are under attack they are going to lash out, to kill and destroy. Lashing out an external enemy, real or imaginary, is a healthy substitute for lashing out at internal enemies. We do not have a choice of peace, merely a choice between war against external or internal enemies. Clearly, war against external enemies is less dangerous to freedom. War is dangerous to freedom, but we do not have a choice of peace. The question is where the war is to be fought - in America, or elsewhere. War within America will surely destroy freedom. What we need to fear is those that talk about the home front and internal security, those who claim that Christians are as big a threat as Muslims - or that black Muslims are as big a threat as Middle Eastern Muslims. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG cGrCJvmIhJnYLWO2RB3qmnqijcHlOOsA7iklRoZD 4Ar75eLN10XbfJw/mqPpGQeUW0SzMlz4CLrpHIeEe _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: I've just never encountered anyone who had NO doubt about anything the current regime is doing. Really? I have - every single person voting for Shrub seems to be exhibiting this particular blindness. -TD -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF An ill wind is stalking while evil stars whir and all the gold apples go bad to the core S. Plath, Temper of Time
