Re: Fwd: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-22 Thread James A. Donald
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No no, Stalin was a very bad man - yet, not however,
as bad as Ronald Reagan et al.  Furthermore the five
year plans involved no bloodshed whatsoever, well only a
teensy weensy little bit, nothing like what General
Motors does in its well known slave labor camps, and the
liquidation of the kulaks was self defense against a
vicious attempt by the peasants to starve the
proletariat.  :-)

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Re: Fwd: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-20 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 2:29 PM -0400 9/19/05, Steve Furlong wrote:
What does George Bushitler stand to gain from this machine?

There you go again...

Cheers,
RAH
I feel *gd*...
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Re: Fwd: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-20 Thread Steve Furlong
On 9/19/05, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 2:29 PM -0400 9/19/05, Steve Furlong wrote:
 What does George Bushitler stand to gain from this machine?
 
 There you go again...

Just to be clear, that's what I'd expect the current wave of j-school
grads to be asking, not what I'd be asking.

(Not that I'm particularly fond of the Prez, but I'm not one of the
LLLs who say he's worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Ronald
Regan combined.) (Stalin doesn't go into that equation because he was,
you know, a good guy whose actions have been misinterpreted.)

-- 
There are no bad teachers, only defective children.



Re: Fwd: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-20 Thread Steve Furlong
On 9/16/05, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Time travel aside (okay, innumeracy aside, some state-school philosophy
 majors can't count, either...), if I'm a reporter, this is new
 journalism, since most of the missive is about *wonderful* *ME*...

Never mind the numbers. How does this special-purpose hardware make
you _feel_? Can you express the cost of the machine in terms of bags
of rice which could have been given to starving chldren in Nepal,
or wherever children are starving nowadays? How much higher could the
NOLA levees have been built if everyone who worked on this machine had
instead been working full-time pouring concrete and piling sandbags?
What does George Bushitler stand to gain from this machine?

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Fwd: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-19 Thread Bill Stewart

Eran Tromer of Weizmann Institute gave a talk at MIT on
special-purpose factoring machines,
and Intrepid Reporter Bob Hettinga summarized to Perry's List.



Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:12:30 -0400
To: cryptography@metzdowd.com
From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

At 12:29 PM -0400 9/14/05, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

TODAY * TODAY * TODAY * WEDNESDAY, Sept. 14 2005

So, I saw this here at Farquhar Street at 14:55EST, jumped in the shower,
thus missing the train 13:20 train at Rozzy Square :-), instead took the
bus, and then the T, and got to MIT's New Funny-Looking Building about
16:40 or so, and saw the last few slides, asking the first, and only,
question, because the grad-students shot out of there at relativistic
velocity, probably so they wouldn't miss their dinner, or something...

The upshot, to me, was that 1024-bit RSA keys are, for Nobody Special
Anywhere, probably as DED as DES, for certain keys but probably not all
without way too much money, but that things start to go sideways for this
box somewhere south of 2kbit keysize, and so this is not TEOTWAWKI,
key-wise.

Unless someone comes up with in algorithmic improvement. Of course. :-).

Cheers,
RAH
Who went, obviously, to poke him about Micromint and hash-collisions, for
fun, and who *did* have fun, as a result, in a dead-horse-beating kind of
way...


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DATE:TODAY * TODAY * TODAY * WEDNESDAY, Sept. 14 2005
TIME:4:00 p.m. - 5:30 p.m.
PLACE:   32-G575, Stata Center, 32 Vassar Street
TITLE:   Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring
SPEAKER: Eran Tromer, Weizmann Institute

Factoring of large integers is of considerable interest in
cryptography and algorithmic number theory. In the quest for
factorization of larger integers, the present bottleneck lies in the
sieving and matrix steps of the Number Field Sieve algorithm. In a
series of works, several special-purpose hardware architectures for
these steps were proposed and evaluated.

The use of custom hardware, as opposed to the traditional RAM model,
offers major benefits (beyond plain reduction of overheads): the
possibility of vast fine-grained parallelism, and the chance to
identify and exploit technological tradeoffs at the algorithmic level.

Taken together, these works have reduced the cost of factoring by many
orders of magnitude, making it feasible, for example, to factor
1024-bit integers within one year at the cost of about US$1M (as
opposed to the trillions of US$ forecasted previously). This talk will
survey these results, emphasizing the underlying general ideas.

Joint works with Adi Shamir, Arjen Lenstra, Willi Geiselmann, Rainer
Steinwandt, Hubert K?pfer, Jim Tomlinson, Wil Kortsmit, Bruce Dodson,
James Hughes and Paul Leyland.


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