Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-10 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 12:03, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

 When you get your driver's license, you should run a magnet over
 it to keep iron oxides from staining your wallet.  And apparently
 you should now microwave it to clean those DMV-employee pathogens
 from it.  Then it will be safe to carry, and you can see for yourself
 what it tells
 everyone else ---part of the definition of safety.

And rub that funny black and white smudge thing with nail polish remover
-- looks like someone with wet nail polish was handling the card, and
you don't want that smudge to cover up whatever was written under it.




Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-10 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:57 PM 10/8/04 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 04:35 PM 10/7/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
A defense is a metal board in a wallet, close to the RFID chip's
antenna.
It is readable when the licence is taken out of the wallet. When
inside,
the antenna is quite effectively shielded.

Tinfoil Wallets, anybody?  :-)

When you get your driver's license, you should run a magnet over
it to keep iron oxides from staining your wallet.  And apparently
you should now microwave it to clean those DMV-employee pathogens
from it.  Then it will be safe to carry, and you can see for yourself
what it tells
everyone else ---part of the definition of safety.





Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-09 Thread Bill Stewart

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Sunder wrote:
 So the cops and RFID h4x0rZ can know your true name from a distance.  and
 since RFID tags, are what, $0.05 each, the terrorists and ID
 counterfitters will be able to make fake ones too... Whee!
At 04:35 PM 10/7/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
A defense is a metal board in a wallet, close to the RFID chip's antenna.
It is readable when the licence is taken out of the wallet. When inside,
the antenna is quite effectively shielded.
Tinfoil Wallets, anybody?  :-)
Actually, does anybody know if metallized mylar would do a good job
of blocking RFID readers, or if that carbon-fiber insulating cloth
that's useful for RF-shielded rooms would work well enough?
Also sounds like a good reason to carry a Rivest RFID blocker in your wallet.

Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-09 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tinfoil Wallets, anybody?  :-)

My wallet is a metal cigarette case.  It's quite effective at blocking
RFID, proxcards, c.

Plus, it's chic enough that almost no one considers the paranoia aspect.

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: RFID Driver's licenses for VA

2004-10-09 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Sunder wrote:

 So the cops and RFID h4x0rZ can know your true name from a distance.  and 
 since RFID tags, are what, $0.05 each, the terrorists and ID 
 counterfitters will be able to make fake ones too... Whee!

Given the power requirements for doing anything more than dumb sequence 
repeat, I'd worry about the potential for replay attack and licence 
cloning.

Make a proof-of-concept device early after they start rolling the scheme 
out, publish on Slashdot, and see them retracting it as fast as they were 
deploying it.


A defense is a metal board in a wallet, close to the RFID chip's antenna. 
It is readable when the licence is taken out of the wallet. When inside, 
the antenna is quite effectively shielded. As a bonus, for many people 
this method can be seamlessly integrated to their mode of the document 
usage (leaving the privacy implications of the legitimate readers aside 
for now, talking about the unauthorized remote readers only here).