Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread Dave Howe
J.A. Terranson wrote:
Which of course neatly sidesteps the issue that a DRIVERS LICENSE is
not identification, it is proof you have some minimum competency to
operate a motor vehicle...
IIRC, several states have taken to issuing a no compentency driving
licence (ie, the area that says what that licence allows you to
drive/ride, normally occupied by car, motorcycle, truck or whatever, is
blank) purely for use as identification. Few liquor stores (for example) 
accept anything else.



Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Few liquor stores (for example) accept anything else.

..except (ta-d) the passport, which is universally accepted by
liquor stores AFAICT.

Imagine that.  An _actual_ document of identification being used for
approximately the correct purpose.

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Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread Dave Howe
Riad S. Wahby wrote:
...except (ta-d) the passport, which is universally accepted by
liquor stores AFAICT.
And how many americans have a passport,and carry one for identification 
purposes?



Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And how many americans have a passport,and carry one for identification 
 purposes?

Probably not all that many.

Tangentially, I was once told that, at least in Massachusetts liquor
stores, even an _expired_ passport was useful identification.  Can
anyone confirm that this is true other than at Sav-Mor Liquors?

-- 
Riad S. Wahby
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Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread Sunder

Right, just because your Passport or driver's license expired, doesn't 
mean that you got any younger and therefore shouldn't drink.

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote:

 Tangentially, I was once told that, at least in Massachusetts liquor
 stores, even an _expired_ passport was useful identification.  Can
 anyone confirm that this is true other than at Sav-Mor Liquors?



Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread Tyler Durden
Can't specifically confirm that, but this last summer I traveled to several 
countries (and back into the US) using an expired passport as ID (and no, 
they didn't just forget to read the date, the expired passport was 
officially acceptable).

-TD
From: Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:09:26 -0500
Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And how many americans have a passport,and carry one for identification
 purposes?
Probably not all that many.
Tangentially, I was once told that, at least in Massachusetts liquor
stores, even an _expired_ passport was useful identification.  Can
anyone confirm that this is true other than at Sav-Mor Liquors?
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Re: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses

2004-10-12 Thread J.A. Terranson

 In both houses, the legislation is geared to respond to numerous
 recommendations made by the Sept. 11 commission. For years before the
 terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, law enforcement officials, especially
 those concerned with identity theft, argued that the states should have
 more rigorous standards for issuing driver's licenses. But the commission
 pointed out that fraud in identification documents is no longer just a
 problem of theft.

Which of course neatly sidesteps the issue that a DRIVERS LICENSE is not
identification, it is proof you have some minimum competency to operate
a motor vehicle...

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