Re: Swindle these guys?
Bill Stewart wrote... and of course remember that their account doesn't *really* have $18M in it :-) No doubt it doesn't have $18M. But in order to get the ACH sent, the originating bank should (theoretically) have to see some kind of $$$ in there in order to agree to ACH anything over. If the funds were actually getting contested and reversed, then I'd be perfectly happy removing them before they could get reversed. -TD _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
RE: Swindle these guys?
Been there, done that, etc. http://www.419eater.com/ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.jb/images/trophy_room/joe_eboh1.jpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tyler Durden Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Swindle these guys? Bill Stewart wrote... and of course remember that their account doesn't *really* have $18M in it :-) No doubt it doesn't have $18M. But in order to get the ACH sent, the originating bank should (theoretically) have to see some kind of $$$ in there in order to agree to ACH anything over. If the funds were actually getting contested and reversed, then I'd be perfectly happy removing them before they could get reversed. -TD _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Swindle these guys?
Hey.. Since an important theme in Cypherpunks is anonymous transactions, I'm wondering if there isn't some way we can't reverse-swindle folks like this, perhaps by getting them to wire into an egold account or something. Supposedly, they perform an ACH into an account, get you to withdraw the funds, give them their cut, and then they reverse the ACH causing your bank to try to collect from you. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get them to ACH into an anonymous account? If we somehow get the funds, the only problem would be figuring out what we do with them (eg, drop-ship weapons to Iraqi patriots...) -TD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please read Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:44:58 -0400 (EDT) BUSINESS BLUE PRINT My name is Mr David Dawson and I seek your co-operation in a proposal that I am convinced is mutually rewarding. I work as a private Financial Consultant/Account portfolio Manager in Finance Credit Company Limited a company based in Middlesex in the United Kingdom.In the last few years, I have managed a certain account for a Resident Foreigner here in the United Kingdom who unfortunately died intestate, leaving in our care a fairly huge amount of money in a Domiciliary United States Dollars Account. We had unsuccessfully tried to make contact with any relatives of this client over the last couple of months. Added to this , professional ethics which obligates us to act with extreme confidentiality when dealing with clients Accounts of this type has made it impossible to get round the problem of identifying a next-of kin in this situation. Needless to say, this is the precise reason why I have made contact with you. I URGENTLY require your assistance in securing the estate left behind by my client as any time from now it may be declared unserviceable and consequently confiscated by the Financial Services Authority(FSA) here in the United Kingdom where his estate is held Indeed the FSA has issued a MANDATORY NOTICE demanding us to provide (within the next month) a next- of Kin to my clients Estate or have same reserved to the protection of Her Majesty Having made futile attempts in locating any of my Clients relatives for over two years and convinced that no one would turn up to execute a Letter of Administration, and having satisfied all legal requirements of Beneficiary/next-of-Kin Notification, I do seek your consent to put you forward and present you as the next-of Kin of my deceased client so that proceeds from his Estate(Valued conservatively at Twenty one Million, Three Hundred and Twenty Thousand United States Dollars) can be paid into an account to be provided by your good-self(preferably outside the United Kingdom financial institutions or its Isles) Do be assured that I am seized of all relevant documents to validate our claim presenting you as next-of-Kin and all we will do shall be within the confines of all/any UK regulating Statutes. All I ask is you co-operation and trust as we go through the various stages that will legally qualify you as the only living next-of-Kin to the Estate of my client. Of course you shall be handsomely rewarded for your involvement in this transaction and all I can say at this time is that the figures will be worth every effort and commitment that you will bring into this transaction. Do get back to me on this e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] On receipt of your response , I shall provide you with a dedicated private telephone number with which we shall speak and upon which I shall furnish you with finer details of this transaction Your sincerely. D.Dawson _ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com
Re: Swindle these guys?
On 2004-06-09T12:39:31-0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Since an important theme in Cypherpunks is anonymous transactions, I'm wondering if there isn't some way we can't reverse-swindle folks like this, perhaps by getting them to wire into an egold account or something. Supposedly, they perform an ACH into an account, get you to withdraw the funds, give them their cut, and then they reverse the ACH causing your bank to try to collect from you. Is that what they do? I've been under the impression that they never transfer you any money, that they just request incidental expenses which gullible idiots view as an investment against their cut of the X million promised. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ach I can't believe an ODFI would allow you to withdraw that much money before the RDFI is no longer able to perform a return. A few times, I've tried requesting several thousand dollars expenses to investigate setting up the necessary account. Nobody's so much as replied to that proposition. -- Not your decision to make. Yes. But it's the right decision, and I made it for my daughter. - Bill, Beatrix; Kill Bill Vol. 2
Re: Swindle these guys?
Is that what they do? I've been under the impression that they never transfer you any money, that they just request incidental expenses which gullible idiots view as an investment against their cut of the X million promised. Well, what I think they do is ostensibly ACH some funds over, which ostensibly hit your account. Because you see these funds in your account, you feel pretty hunky dory and pay the dude his little fee (of several thou). Meanwhile, a couple of things occur. One thing that seems to happen is that, eventually, the banks realize there are insufficient funds in the account to cover the ACH. Or else the ACH is reversed. What I can't quite figure out is how they do this...perhaps their local bank is in cahoots...theoretically, a bank won't attempt to ACH funds to another bank unless they see the funds in the account. In the US, these funds are immediately withdrawn from the sending account, so they can't be withdrawn prior to the ACH going out. Perhaps there's some delay with Nigerian (or whatever) banks that fraudsters can exploit (or the fraudster is friends with the banker). Another thing that can happen is that the ACH-er can contest the ACH and have it withdrawn. Your local bank will often be willing to show these funds as available if they see an equivalent amount already sitting in your account. Or perhaps, the personal info they have on you is enough for them to trust that you won't try to screw them because they have recourse. Seems to me it would be a nice Cypherpunk experiment to try to set up some kind of anonymous account and try to trap the ACH, and withdraw it as fast as possible. I guess the question is, can egold (or whatever) receive ACHs? And of course, it would be nice that a fellow cypherpunk didn't (or couldn't) swindle the rest of us if we were some how able to bitch-slap these critters. -TD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ach I can't believe an ODFI would allow you to withdraw that much money before the RDFI is no longer able to perform a return. A few times, I've tried requesting several thousand dollars expenses to investigate setting up the necessary account. Nobody's so much as replied to that proposition. -- Not your decision to make. Yes. But it's the right decision, and I made it for my daughter. - Bill, Beatrix; Kill Bill Vol. 2 _ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married
Re: Swindle these guys?
At 09:39 AM 6/9/2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Hey.. Since an important theme in Cypherpunks is anonymous transactions, I'm wondering if there isn't some way we can't reverse-swindle folks like this, perhaps by getting them to wire into an egold account or something. Supposedly, they perform an ACH into an account, get you to withdraw the funds, give them their cut, and then they reverse the ACH causing your bank to try to collect from you. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get them to ACH into an anonymous account? Rule 2 does say that spammers are stupid -- but that's not the kind of thing they're stupid about. They'll sometimes spend money on plane fare (or get one of their friends in the destination city to play the Rich Dictator's Widow's Son, but actually giving you non-trivial amounts of actual cash is unlikely, and of course remember that their account doesn't *really* have $18M in it :-) You might get them to drop a test payment of a dollar into an account, if you want to go to the bother of setting up an account specifically for this application (and telling them you're doing that), and you could use it to rat them out to bank inspectors. A couple of weeks ago, before we succeeded in taking down well-known spammer Scotty Richter (by doing well-documented complaints to his latest ISP while he was busy suing Spamcop for complaining to his previous ISP), it was getting awfully tempting to use a remailer to start replying to Nigerian spam Yes, I heard that Uncle Fred had gotten killed in your country. He'd always talked about the kindness your father [Corrupt-Politician-Name-Here] had shown him. His executor and next of kin is his son-in-law Scotty Richter, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], address blah blah, Westminster CO, USA, and please contact him directly by email. At least this gets the spammers a flood of each others' spam.
