Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Sunder wrote: except these cops don't (yet?) have tanks Actually, in New York, they do. At least they *did* when I lived there, all the way up to 1985. They had exactly one tank (used to mow down the Middletown NJ has one also (about an hour from the city by car, YMMV by tank.) Back in the revolutionary days of the 60s and 70s, the police chief, who was actually named Joe McCarthy and tried to live up to the name, was concerned that the Puerto Ricans in the ethnic neighborhoods along the shore might get uppity and take over the naval base, which everybody knew had Nuke-u-lur Weapons even though they'd never admit it, and the naval base might not be able to defend itself against a mob, so he convinced the town council that they needed to buy a tank. I haven't seen it, but one of my friends said that when he last saw it, it hadn't been moved in a while and had sunk about a foot into the mud. (When I'd first heard they had a tank, I'd assumed it was really some amphibious military vehicle they used for hauling cars out of the swamps or something, but no, it's a regular tank.) Bill
Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Sunder wrote: except these cops don't (yet?) have tanks Actually, in New York, they do. At least they *did* when I lived there, all the way up to 1985. They had exactly one tank (used to mow down the drug houses in AlphabetTown), and an APC. Oh, and the PD helicopters were bought, paid for, and maintained through inventive use of the Auxiliary Police program (more appropriately the Placebo Police program. STOP or I'll hurt myself!). -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
Um, don't know what you've been smoking but: a. there is no we, except individuals with the freedom to chose their own actions. b. cops have guns. c. some cops have armor and semi (or full?) automatics along with the non-lethal weaponry. d. non-cops don't and aren't allowed to carry the same weaponry. (Unless your version of we includes some arsenal and has been watching lots of A-Team reruns, I doubt that there's not much the cops can't do and mostly get away with it.) Yeah, Not totally. Just like Red China isn't a total totalitarian state, and it allowed the students at Tienamen Sq to demonstrate. We're not too far away from that, except these cops don't (yet?) have tanks and as far as has been reported in the media, haven't murdered anyone in the protests, and that the arrested have been let out a few days later rather than tortured. It's certainly inching towards totalitarianism and away from the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress (not, there's nothing in that text about protest pens, open your bag searches, show me your ID, or protest permits.) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. /|\ \|/ :They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country /\|/\ --*--:and our people, and neither do we. -G. W. Bush, 2004.08.05 \/|\/ /|\ : \|/ + v + :War is Peace, freedom is slavery, Bush is President. - On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Not totally. That cop on a scooter rightfully got the crap kicked out of him for mowing down demonstrators. They can gain local, temporary control but if we take to the streets en masse then there's not much they can do, and they know it.
Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
Wheee! NYC==Police State for the last week for those of you living under rocks... Not totally. That cop on a scooter rightfully got the crap kicked out of him for mowing down demonstrators. They can gain local, temporary control but if we take to the streets en masse then there's not much they can do, and they know it. -TD _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
At 07:46 PM 9/1/2004, you wrote: This ain't the nice little suburb you do your contract programming in... this is New York City. We only obey the law because we know there's a thin line between order and chaos in this town. Hey, those cops aren't here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder
Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
At 10:55 PM 9/1/04 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: Puerto Ricans in the ethnic neighborhoods along the shore might get uppity and take over the naval base, which everybody knew had Nuke-u-lur Weapons even though they'd never admit it, and the naval base might not be able to defend itself against a mob, so he convinced the town council that they needed to buy a tank. Its quite clear (from the Empire Wars in the middle east) that the 2nd amendment requires citizens to bear RPGs to defeat tyranny. Alas, even neutered rifles are illegal in many places; thus among the first order of business will be to raid the Armories for the right tools. And I'm tired of all these soldiers here And everything's broken, And no one speaks english.. -Tom Waits
Re: The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo (fwd)
Wheee! NYC==Police State for the last week for those of you living under rocks... --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. /|\ \|/ :They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country /\|/\ --*--:and our people, and neither do we. -G. W. Bush, 2004.08.05 \/|\/ /|\ : \|/ + v + :War is Peace, freedom is slavery, Bush is President. - -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:26:13 -0400 From: Edward Potter To: grimmwerks Cc: wwwac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wwwac] Yes, it's relevent! The cages on the Hudson, AKA Little Guantanamo He's out. You can't get near the place today. I tell people what happened and they can't believe it. I would not have believed it either, except I was there for 11 hours. Then another 15 hours downtown. Excellent first hand account here: http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/107675/index.php If I had not been arrested, I would not have known anything like this was going on. 1000- 2000 people, in barb-wire cages, at this very moment on the Hudson River. No joke. Totally surrounded by police. ACLU lawyers, Reporters, everyone being denied access. Just starting to hit the media. -ed On Sep 1, 2004, at 2:57 PM, grimmwerks wrote: I read the same thing - and the guy with the bike is STILL there? And held on what grounds? Has any pics surfaced yet? On 9/1/04 2:51 PM, Edward Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cross posted this to the Politics list, just getting so little media coverage, and yes, I met a few Java Programmers there, plus the guy that has the bike that writes messages by WifI got nailed by the police too (writing America Home of the Free) ... so I guess hopefully the word gets out. --- Does anyone on this list know there are now up to 2000 people imprisoned in barb-wire cages on the Hudson River that don't know what their charges are, have not had any rights read to them and are being denied any access to any legal representation? I was there, it was real. It would blow your mind. YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT IN AMERICA BEFORE. Or as the police call it: Little Guantanamo Keep up with the news here: http://nyc.indymedia.org ## The World Wide Web Artists' Consortium - http://www.wwwac.org/ ## ## To Unsubscribe, send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ##
