Re: Vote for nobody

2004-09-06 Thread Will Morton
Justin wrote:
On 2004-09-06T06:22:29-0700, Sarad AV wrote:
 

the election commision of india had a proposal to the
govt. that the voter should be able to vote for 'none
of the above'. Though one can predict that such a
proposal will never be approved by the government, it
makes a lot of sense. Is any other democratic country
seriously thinking of implementing such an option?
   


If someone would vote for none of the above rather than write in
his/her ideal candidate, that someone is a lazy oaf.  Everyone who
writes in a candidate is voting none of the above.
The 50% of the U.S. population which doesn't vote is also voting none
of the above in a way.  There's a difference in that some non-voters
may slightly prefer one candidate over another, but _assuming that
everyone has an ideal candidate_ they'd be willing to go to the polls
for, not voting is the same as saying all the candidates are
significantly less than the ideal.
 

   The difference being that in a system such as Sarad describes, if 
'None of the above' gets more votes than any candidate, the election is 
declared void and a re-election is called (possibly excluding any of the 
candidates from the first round, depending on the details); hence, the 
50% of the population who think 'they're all fvckers' have a reason to 
go to the polls.

   I've experienced such a system in action (within a student body) and 
it works well, provided you like your democracy to be loud and 
participatory.  For this reason it's unlikely to be implemented by an 
incumbent government, though I guess it's possible an uber-populist like 
Chavez or Lula might consider it.

   W


Vote for nobody

2004-09-06 Thread Sarad AV
hello,

the election commision of india had a proposal to the
govt. that the voter should be able to vote for 'none
of the above'. Though one can predict that such a
proposal will never be approved by the government, it
makes a lot of sense. Is any other democratic country
seriously thinking of implementing such an option?

Sarath.



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Re: Vote for nobody

2004-09-06 Thread Bill Stewart
I think the US state of Nevada has None of the above as an option,
though I'm not sure the implementation of it.
The Libertarian Party in the US always has NOTA as a candidate
in internal elections, and sometimes NOTA wins and the job
goes unfilled until either there's a new election with new candidates
or some executive committee appoints somebody.
At 09:57 AM 9/6/2004, Justin wrote:
If someone would vote for none of the above rather than write in
his/her ideal candidate, that someone is a lazy oaf.  Everyone who
writes in a candidate is voting none of the above.
NOTA's a bit different - there may be a large plurality of voters
who don't like the major candidates, even if they don't agree
on who else they want.  In a election where you're voting for a party,
like most parliamentary governments use, voting NOTA is telling the parties
to run different candidates, so for instance you might want
the Labour Party to win but you don't like Tony Blair so you vote NOTA
in his home district.  In candidate-based elections,
you're telling the individual candidates that you don't like them.


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