Re: Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case
Nah...it wasn't half a million. It was a hell of a lot more, I suspect. Even a standard SC or APC connector cost $50 in those days, and from what I suspect this would be MUCH much more than that, and probably formed just one piece of a larger contract. The odd thing about this case was that the judge ruled in favor of Lucent...the government wasn't even directly involved. Lucent made a ton of profit which this poor bastard didn't get dime one from. That's a lot different then allowing the government to use your IP. -TD From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:55:48 -0700 At 09:14 AM 9/20/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: Very interesting CPunks reading, for a variety of reasons. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Of course, the fact that Lucent has been in shit shape financially must have nothing to do with what is effectively a state-sponsored protection of intellectual theft and profiting by Lucent (merely keeping the tech under wraps would have been possible in a closed-doors session. Remember that connectors can easily cost $50 per or more, so these guys were really ripped off and Lucent probably made out quite well.) [Cross posted from another list] Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand about that case is that the precedent already exists. If a defendent declines to defend by supplying documents then the judge does not force them to do so in a civil case, instead the award goes against them. What is not clear is why the judge awarded in the favour of the government. By not supplying files, they clearly indicated they were using the patent. And even that wasn't ever in doubt. He should have just awarded summarily for the patent owners and that would have been that. And, it was only for a measly half million. By saving a half million in patent fees, Lucent and the USG have reduced their reputation for fair dealing, had the whole case blow up in their faces and now we're all poking around looking for how the patent was used by the _Jimmy Carter_
Re: Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case
At 09:14 AM 9/20/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: Very interesting CPunks reading, for a variety of reasons. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Of course, the fact that Lucent has been in shit shape financially must have nothing to do with what is effectively a state-sponsored protection of intellectual theft and profiting by Lucent (merely keeping the tech under wraps would have been possible in a closed-doors session. Remember that connectors can easily cost $50 per or more, so these guys were really ripped off and Lucent probably made out quite well.) [Cross posted from another list] Ian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand about that case is that the precedent already exists. If a defendent declines to defend by supplying documents then the judge does not force them to do so in a civil case, instead the award goes against them. What is not clear is why the judge awarded in the favour of the government. By not supplying files, they clearly indicated they were using the patent. And even that wasn't ever in doubt. He should have just awarded summarily for the patent owners and that would have been that. And, it was only for a measly half million. By saving a half million in patent fees, Lucent and the USG have reduced their reputation for fair dealing, had the whole case blow up in their faces and now we're all poking around looking for how the patent was used by the _Jimmy Carter_
Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case
Very interesting CPunks reading, for a variety of reasons. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 Of course, the fact that Lucent has been in shit shape financially must have nothing to do with what is effectively a state-sponsored protection of intellectual theft and profiting by Lucent (merely keeping the tech under wraps would have been possible in a closed-doors session. Remember that connectors can easily cost $50 per or more, so these guys were really ripped off and Lucent probably made out quite well.) Aside from this the links are worth pursuing vz Variola Suitcase type discussions. I suspect that a thorough civilian analysis could reveal a lot about NSA's undersea operation. One thing I can see about this connector is that it does not require any visual orientation in order to mate the Bragg-angled fiber interfaces inside...other connectors either mismate if you're not careful, or require rotating the ferrule in order to get the notch to line up. (Low-loss fiber connectors are Bragg-angled in order to prevent reflections.) These might not be viable options at deep depths, indicating that some of their operation must be done extra-vehicular (though by humans or robots I can't yet tell.) Their carrying on about HOW they select traffic is, I suspect, true: They must have some kind of control and switching network in some areas in order to select out some traffic, and I believe I've seen parts of this...the bandwidth is just too large to develop a complete 1:1 copy of everything, when we're talking middle-of-the-ocean-type applications. (And as I've also stated many times, I'd bet NSA has a HUGE risk analysis department to support the decisons about which traffic to grab.) -TD
Re: Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case
On 2005-09-20T12:14:13-0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Very interesting CPunks reading, for a variety of reasons. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 I'm sick of this mosaic theory being used to justify preventing access to unclassified information. -- War is the father of all and king of all, and some he shows as gods, others as men; some he makes slaves, others free. -Heraclitus DK-53
Re: Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case
So if the state hasn't classified my data (and I kinda doubt they will), then it should be up for grabs by anyone suckin' down the dole? -TD From: Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wired on Secrecy Power Sinks Patent Case Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:54:23 + On 2005-09-20T12:14:13-0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Very interesting CPunks reading, for a variety of reasons. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 I'm sick of this mosaic theory being used to justify preventing access to unclassified information. -- War is the father of all and king of all, and some he shows as gods, others as men; some he makes slaves, others free. -Heraclitus DK-53
