Re: [datameet] Re: Need an experienced data analyst to work on a project on Indian Judiciary

[shirish शिरीष]

please share the links when you have done the articles, always
interested to read about jurispudence and judiciary.

On 07/03/2019, Palash Kulshrestha  wrote:
> Hi Avantika
> If you need any help with any adhoc web scraping, I can help in your cause.
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 11:10:35 AM UTC+5:30, Avantika Mehta
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm a freelance journalist who covers social justice, gender issues, and
>> law. With some experience in data journalism, I looked into Delhi's Fast
>> Track Courts for Hindustan Times. Currently I am working on a series of
>> stories regarding the judiciary. As a former lawyer, I have no trouble
>> mining the data. What I require is an experienced analyst to co-author the
>>
>> series with me.
>>
>> This is for the freelance project and I am more than willing to share the
>>
>> byline and compensation, should you be willing to work with me on the
>> series of stories. Ideally, I would like to work with someone from New
>> Delhi, as that's where I am based and it will make collaboration a lot
>> easier. However, I am open to working with journalists outside of Delhi as
>>
>> well.
>>
>> My email is avantika...@gmail.com  and my number is
>> 08800031000. You can also find me on Twitter @bitingfriends
>>
>> Any help will be appreciated.
>>
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Re: [datameet] pune metro rail work in progress map.

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On 06/04/2018, Nikhil VJ  wrote:
> Ah,
> Sorry, not interested/not available.
>
> Do approach personally next time when making big requests to specific
> persons instead of posting to entire mailing lists. Goes against the
> no-expectations no-judgements spirit of volunteering.
>

Dear Nikhil,

Sorry for violating a code. I was just replying to the thread and
didn't realize what I was doing.

On the other point though, I do not expect Devdatta or anybody to do
any 'volunteering' .

Professionals need to be rewarded for their work.  For students who
volunteer, it adds to their resume as well might benefit if they apply
to OSM office bangalore or any mapping-based product as training
expenses might be less as they already knows the terms and terminology
which they would exposed to while doing anything in OSM.

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Re: [datameet] pune metro rail work in progress map.

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In-line :-

On 05/04/2018, Nikhil VJ  wrote:
> Hi Shirish,
>

Hi Nikhil,

> Go ahead, get officials on board (unless you're asking for someone who can
> do that too in which case I'll wait with you), get the data rolling in. The
> code will come. It will all start when a sample file(s) carrying the format
> is shared.
>

If somebody who has something of something similar with sample.

I have seen enough of the discussions of data with various wards etc.
on the ML that it is
difficult or impossible to imagine that something similar to what I
have proposed has not
been by people in Pune before for some other project.

As I shared before, if somebody even has a mockup we can use it to
meet mahemetro officials in the metro samvaad which are held
regularly.

I have seen several people coming by themselves with suggestions,
plans, alternative plans sharing architecture work done earlier just
to show what they are capable with.

>From mahametro's perspective I think they would have some concerns as in :-

a. How much control would mahametro would have in sharing public and
private data ?

As a novice user of OSM, I believe this can be handled by having a
private instance of OSM bridging parts of public data layer with main
osm for public tiles. This should achieve the twin goals of openness
and transparency while maintaining secrecy concerning parts where
contractors need to have access and share data.

b. What sort of budget would be needed for such an undertaking and for
how long would the service would be given ?

This is where Devdatta would probably need to come up with some
figures or something. It  doesn't need to be gratis as the data would
need to be constantly updated and also has to be maintained for number
of years. OSM changes, database changes and even people who would
access to data or not would need to be factored in.

If the nagpur team would want to take the maintenance work then the
charges for training them etc.

They do have a full-time web-developer team in nagpur but I dunno
about how much they know about free software, better public practices
with open data and so on and so forth.

> And speaking of bus project.. small announcement coming soon :)
>

Looking forward to that announcement, that will be a great day for
people like me who specifically use public buses when it suits me for
safety purposes :)

Probably a good idea to meet and discuss about it might be fossmeet 2018 .

I probably will come in tomorrow full day

https://foss.coep.org.in/fossmeet/schedule.html

and probably will attend the later part of the day on Sunday .

I have been to quite a few metro samvaad's in the past and people
generally give their proposals with budgets etc. at the end of the
metro samvaad to Mr. Dixit and team and have discussions with his
team.

If somebody can do the work,  we just need to ask the project team for
some time and probably convince them this is a better way then
probably some other competing product.

I am sure both you and Devdatta could share his expertise on this.

Lastly, Nikhil and Devdatta, my cell number is the same . 91-976-333-0874

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> 
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Re: [datameet] pune metro rail work in progress map.

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Reply in-line :-

On 31/03/2018, Devdatta Tengshe  wrote:
> Hi shirish,
>

Dear Devdatta,

> I'm not quite sure, on exactly what you are suggesting. Making the
> Application is not that difficult. It may be a few hours work for someone
> who is used to the libraries and web-gis development. The hard part is
> keeping it updated. If we have buy-in from Pune Metrorail, and figure out
> how they will update it, then we can proceed accordingly.
>

The point is, is there somebody who has that sort of expertise and be
willing to give his/her time to a project. Also if people from college
take it up it would be much more doable. It would also enable
distribution of the said knowledge.

Having more people learning about osm would be a good thing IMHO.

Secondly, pune metro regularly does what it says metro samvaad where
they are open to people who come up with suggestions as well as
concrete implementation details.

The most recent samvaad they held was in MIT just few days ago -

https://twitter.com/metrorailpune/status/978270832106467328

The possibility of the buy-in should be high as they already advertise
the on-going work on their twitter feed
https://twitter.com/metrorailpune and most 10k phones already have the
GPS sensor built-in.  Even the raw data for web-gis should also be in
public domain as they did make a DPR which was approved by the center.
Whoever takes the photo already might be uploading to some
semi-automated upload or web api hook to post for the twitter feed.
They might just be downscaling the picture and removing the GPS
locator info. although twitter also does remove GPS location details
for privacy concerns IIRC.

As far as I understand it, there is a team in Nagpur which does all
the front-end and back-end web development work but haven't heard
anything from them till date.

https://twitter.com/metrorailpune/status/979744773622788096

http://punemetrorail.org/download/PuneMetro-DPR.pdf

It is a pretty detailed report but then the DPR was made by Delhi
Metro Rail so was perhaps expected to be thorough. I was not able to
see if they had shared any GPS coords though.

[slightly OT]

AFAIK Pune Metro has been trying to keep sanctity of the DPR as far as
the route is concerned. In fact, in one of the threads on the twitter
feed I read about one of the places where the foundation for the
pillar was not the usual hard rock they have been lucky to find in
most of the places and they dumped whole lot of cement and other
expensive strengthening material before the pillar would be erected.
AFAIK the pillars are supposed to be strong enough to take the whole
load of the metro cars, driver cabin consist but then I'm no civil
engineer :)

[/OT]

> Regards,
> Devdatta
>

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[datameet] pune metro rail work in progress map.

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Dear all,

Just wanted to share a twitter post I did a while back -

https://twitter.com/shirishag75/status/977230045528772608

The only work I see is somebody tracing the whole path using GPS and
making tracepoints  on Pune Metro route using leafletjs or something
similar as a layer.

Then the contractor just need to upload snapshots+GPS location and we
have a map of how work is progressing either on EOD (End of Day) or
EOW (End of Week) .

A side-benefit of the project could also be we would have stats of how
things are progressing which could be used for data visualization as
well as who the contractors are in case things go wrong either now or
in future.

It's probably the oldest idea in the world,  especially if someone has
seen the 1994 Keanu Reaves movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111257/
. See the part where the police officers have an updated map of where
work is ongoing and not completed,  this is a bit before the bridge
jump scene.

Of course that is/was 1994 in Hollywood and this is 2018 in Pune,
India but still comparisons can be made especially with foss tools
being available which were not there  at the time the movie was made.

The route is already shared at  http://www.punemetrorail.org/img/rout_map.jpg

but its a pretty down-scaled version so maybe a more fleshed out
version with GPS coordinates might be needed.

The only other map I could find out is from a gentleman called the metrorailguy

http://themetrorailguy.com/pune-metro-information-map-updates/

which uses googleapis which I have found to be pretty inconsistent in
many case, especially for finding places.

I am open to be part of a mapping party if somebody who either has the
need or/and expertise to lead the project. I do have osm on my phone.

I do know Nikhil tried in the past something similar with the PMC bus
routes but for number of reasons outside of his control couldn't get
much traction.

This is a much more easier problem to deal as there are not as many
routes as PMC has so if students do decide to do it, they would have a
much easier time with it.  Abhijit and Nikhil could be good guiding
lights for the smallish project.

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[datameet] Re: [PLUG] CoFSuG and FOSS and PLUG

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at bottom :-

On 27/03/2018, Skool!lookS <look.k...@guruvision.com> wrote:
> In a quick search...
>
> I find it really interesting to note that following the Spirit of GPL
> and copying after giving due credit, CofSuG has in no place mentioned
> PLUG anywhere.
>
> Why this double standard from Champions of FOSS?
>
> Shirish शिरीष,
> "We Bow Thee". Please enlighten us on this matter. Your opinions are of
> high value in our progress here at PLUG.
>
> In my opinion, they have on number of occasions drawn/sought help from PLUG.
>
> Just the fodder for Tomorrow, The 28th.
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Dear Guru/skoollooks,

I took a day out before answering as I usually do when I feel getting
ticked off.

Well, I do not find any inconsistency because both are distinct
identities from each other. PLUG used to be the mainstay when there
was nothing else. They were a law unto themselves which sort of
accentuated the sort of limbo they are in. By this I meant the
moderation on e-mails. Have been a moderator in many a groups and
while do know it can be a stressful job, PLUG effectively killed what
could have been a truly community oriented organization, more than
once.

And this is when PLUG generated most mails in October 2007 according
to plug's archive own data -

http://list.plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/

I wish I had more detailed data hence have cced datameet. Maybe if
PLUG wants they could work with datameet and we could have more of a
visual dataset than currently we have.

mini-proposal - If somebody wants to do a small project, they could
try to get PLUG's mail archive data dump and do all sorts of data
visualization to show and share the frequency of e-mail archives.

My main argument is they could have done whole lot better.  Globbing
rules for mailing list have been known at least since 2008 or even
earlier

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/bash-extended-globbing - see the date

http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html - According to both
google and archive.org the first instance or sharing about globbing
was in late 2002 -

https://web.archive.org/web/20021018001510/http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html

Just to be doubly sure I also checked spamassassin (one of the more
popular tools to check spam on email lists) and it was in debian since
its initial release 2001 and hence was in Ubuntu in 2004 if that is
what the moderator used  or could have used to moderate emails if they
wanted to.

Of course what to moderate and how to moderate is PLUG's own thing.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=120975

cofsug was founded and from what I did gather in the earlier days they
did try to have their blessing when they were doing their first event
and PLUG didn't show any interest in it.

You should have also asked this question when GNUnify is held, why
didn't PLUG talk about cofsug

http://www.gnunify.in/

http://www.gnunify.in/about

I find it doubly standard on PLUG's part as well not to talk of any
other organization and then another organization is making they want
their name should have been there.

So whatever or wherever cofsug has come up with, it is with their own
organizational skills and acumen.

FWIW, as far as the individuals are concerned, all of them do know
each other and are friends with each other but that doesn't mean they
need to have each other blessings in any way.

Disclaimer - I may be partly biased as I have had taken part in
cofsug's activities in the past.

https://foss.coep.org.in/fossmeet/

Lastly, from the speaker's lineup quite a few speakers were either
part of SICSR or have engaged in PLUG one time or the other.

Thankfully,  for being busy and not also keeping up with my health as
much,  I didn't send a proposal for fossmeet this year otherwise would
have been in conflict of interest :)

Sorry for the long-winded email, but not really :)

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Re: [datameet] Has anybody made visualizations of average city temperatures in India over the last 100 years or so ?

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi again,

@Thejesh, liked your visual appeal but then people end up going to the
link to figure out how things are/were.

http://thejeshgn.com/2010/08/12/i-love-blr-visualizing-bangalore-temperature/

Would it be possible for you to have that in graph formats similar to
the ones shared by Sitansu Mahapatra .  And if you do that, could you
or do you know anybody else who has done something similar for Mysuru
and Ooty as well ?

I actually love Mysore and Ooty as they are a bit more milder than Bangalore.

Hence am also personally curious as to whether those two cities were
milder throughout the century or not ?

Umm... Don't we have any data before 1904 ? Maybe 18th century as well
or there simply are no records  ?

Also are there any temperature data of localized places, graphs of
different cities similar to average temperatures shared for whole of
India ?

I do believe that people are more sensitised when there is such data
in a visual format of places they belong to .

An argument could be laid by a climate denier person, I could argue
that with averages taken from all over India, it is very much possible
that the upward trend maybe of some places while other places not so
much.

Hence it probably is a bit more imperative if we have more localized
temperature data sheets. Does that make more sense ?

Looking forward to know.
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[datameet] Re: [Maybe OT] does anybody have any data visualization that used a foss library and can be shown in Debconf 16.

[shirish शिरीष]

Sorry for top-posting but forgot to share one important

Debian is responsible/father for all deb-based distributions. Ubuntu
sources (still) 70% of all applications from us, Mint and others .

Here's a distribution timeline which tells/shares all -

https://github.com/konimex/linuxtimeline

So you will know/realize the impact Debian can have.

On 14/06/2016, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A little background first. I wanted to share about a loose organization of
> equal
> peers called Debian, It is and has been described as a project as well
> as 'The Universal Operating System' , see debian.org . The project and
> the OS has been used world-over and is a friend to many a sys-admins
> whose lives have become a bit peaceful due to the nature of the tools and
> the
> commitment of people behind Debian. The Project and the OS has been in
> existence for more than a decade and a half and from a handful of packages
> (i.e. applications) has grown to serve almost 4 packages (forty
> thousand packages) with 10 different hardware architectures powering
> everything
> from the smallest heart monitor and artificial heart to being used in
> missiles and nuclear power system as well.
>
> Now every year Debian organizes a conference every year in a different
> country and city to -
>
> a. Promote Debian to that part of the region/world.
>
> b. Bring various developers from all across the world so they can
> collaborate in-person (face-time) as well as give new people (new
> blood) a chance both to learn better code/development practices and
> also share new ideas to old problems in light of changing
> technological environment.
>
> In this aspect, I have been awarded a travel and accommodation
> bursary/sponsorship for the entire conference and a bit more. See
> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/the-road-to-debconf-2016-tourism-and-arts/
>
> I have been a debian-user for less than a decade and have been
> contributing to the Debian QA efforts. See
> bugs.debian.org/from:shirisha...@gmail.com
>
> I am sure the Debian BTS (Bug Tracking System) would be itself a
> fertile ground for the data scientists in the datameet community ;).
>
> Now having shared the above, in this debconf there is an initiative
> called showmebox initiative which is being driven which shows the
> power of data visualization using any foss data visualization library,
> the more FOSSY the data (open data) and tools to extract, process and
> finally visualize the data is, the better. If the tools are licensed
> either GPL or BSD great as both are great copyleft licenses.
>
> Some info. about the initiative
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox
>
> Couple of Debian blends where data visualization is a focus area -
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianParl
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTinker
>
> Mailing list for the showmebox initiative -
>
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/showme-devel/
>
> My involvement in this is limited to the fact that I'm going from
> India. So if somebody has something that they want to show-off they
> can connect on the mailing list shared just above and CC me . I would
> just be a handsome courier, and all questions and queries would be
> directed at whatever contact details are shared with me.
>
> I live in Pune, Maharashtra and would be flying from Mumbai, so if
> somebody has something which works under the various constraints that
> we have as shown in the wiki and the discussions on the mailing list,
> feel free to connect me off-list. If the developer/data scientist/data
> visualization hacker is either in Pune or Mumbai both that doubles the
> chances as there is possibility of meeting and me trying out their
> stuff and if it runs on native Debian without needing any non-free
> software I am open for it.  I am ok at compiling stuff provided
> instructions are clear and the build system is not buggy (which
> sometimes happen). Open hardware is good but if it works on a Debian
> workstation/laptop it is good enough for me.
>
> Look forward to hearing from you. If somebody needs more contact
> details to talk in detail i.e. my cell number, please reach off-list
> and will share it.
>
> To the rest of the datameet community, sorry for the noise and
> nuisance caused .

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Re: [datameet] No Street View until India can trust Google

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at bottom :-

On 12/06/2016, tejaspa...@gmail.com  wrote:
> http://qz.com/703263/india-wont-get-street-view-until-google-earns-its-trust/
>
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Hi all,

What has not been reported therein and been reported elsewhere (Times
of India, few days ago edition) that some local mapping service
provider has been given permission to operate a street-view kind of
service . So if security was uppermost on their mind, then they
shouldn't given permission under the 'Make in India' or/and 'Start-up
India' initiatives.

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[datameet] buses in pmpml and passports and visas

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Hi all,

Can anybody tell if the numbers of pmpml are correct or little outdated ?

http://www.pmpml.org/AboutUs.aspx

About 1/3 of the page -

"A fleet of 1000 Buses transporting nearly  807511 passengers daily,
staff of about 8610 Bus Depots 10 and 20 main Bus stations and about
282 routes."

As those figures are not dated, it's doesn't seem right. Throughout
the page, the talk is of 2007-08 so it's possible that the figures
might be till those years. Could somebody find out ?

Another query, has anybody done any interesting analyses with
passports and visas ? For instance, in visas, probably the most
applications might be for the U.S. but would be interesting to know
who are/were in the second and third place. Might be some surprises in
store for people. With people flying both domestically and
internationally at all-time highs it could give interesting trends,
even which airports are people flying more from could have insights
for people, not just for airlines themselves.

What do people think ? And if there is such analysis somewhere a link
would be cool.

P.S. - The same would have been true of railways as well but that data
is humongous and don't think Railways will share that info. in the
public domain even after taking all personal identifier details.
(anonymity). Would love if there is some analysis of Pune circle
per-se.

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Re: [datameet] Open Access Week Oct 19th to the 25

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On 12/10/2015, Nisha Thompson  wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Ahmedabad and Bangalore are planning to do events for Open Access Week.
>
> Bangalore - The 24th of Oct on Saturday at CIS we will be live streaming
> with Ahmedabad and doing talks on the status of openness in India and other
> topics.
> Meetup announcement will be coming soon.
>
> There are ideas to do a few different things but need some help.
>
> If you are interested in helping please reply!
>
> Nisha
>
>
>
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> mobile: 962-061-2245

Dear Nisha,

Can you share what sort of events and what you mean by Open Access
week ? Could you elaborate for one and all.

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[datameet] [Event] [OT] mini-debconf happening at College of Engineering, Pune on 12th and 13th September 2015

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Dear all,
A mini-debconf (regional event about debian) is being organized by me
and people from the local debian community on 12th and 13th September
2015. You could find some more information at

http://in2015.mini.debconf.org/

And about debian GNU/Linux distribution at :-

www.debian.org

We are looking for sponsors as well as people who would like to share
their data ideas, implementations under the free software and open
data model.

We are looking for sponsors, while at the same time we have started
marketing the event at some colleges and schools.

We have already invited Nikhil for the event as the idea/problem he is
grappling is (public transport in Pune) is especially relevant to one
and all . I, also exclusively use public transport and ride-shares
where it is possible so if any improvement happens for public
transport, me along with millions of commuters will be the
beneficiaries of it.

Because of shortage of funds, we are unable to invite people from
outside Pune but are considering Video-conferencing and other ways in
which ideas and implementations can be shared but only if they fit
under the free software and open data model and do have some copyleft
license to back it up as well.

In case, there are some potential sponsors, please mail me off-list
and we would be glad if you are able to sponsor individuals or/and
teams who are and might be doing awesome work using FOSS data models.

Look forward to your participation in the event. Please e-mail me if
you have any further queries.

Hack your visions :)

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Re: [datameet] [Event] [OT] mini-debconf happening at College of Engineering, Pune on 12th and 13th September 2015

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On 8/14/15, Nisha Thompson ni...@datameet.org wrote:
 Hey Shirish,

Hey Nisha,

 Please elaborate what this event has to do with data? What opportunities
 regarding using data or open data?

It is an open-platform platform not restricted to free software but
encompassing all that has to do with freedom though using copyleft
licenses .  The CFP is open till 30th August 2015 . Missed that in the
initial mail, sorry.

So let's say you have an idea or a project which uses as well as
shares FOSS ideals, we would welcome it. The audience is usually 2nd
and third year engineering students from various colleges, but we are
also trying to broaden it to schools and various groups who could use
it as a platform to share the idea and broaden the idea of free
software.

A simple example would probably make it more understandable. For
instance, let's see if your project uses openstreetmap and especially
all and any of the layers and you are looking to either extract or add
more data to it or do any whiz-bang simulations out of it, you would
be the perfect person/partner for the project.

But be aware that it's not just the use but also that the end-result
of the work would be available under public archives under a copyleft
license. Then it is a perfect candidate for the mini-debconf.

Similarly, any project which uses free software extensively and the
end-result of that project would be available in public archives under
a copyleft license, we would welcome such projects.

 We only allow data related events to be shared.

Hope the above clarifies and am able to share the data connect.

 Nisha

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Re: [datameet] DataMeet slack

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On 7/15/15, Thejesh GN i...@thejeshgn.com wrote:
 Hello All.

 Slack is public chatroom similar to IRC but much more user friendly.

 Now we have a slack

 https://datameet.slack.com/

 Because
 1. Some of you asked for it
 2. Most weren't comfortable with IRC channel
 3. For some short discussions slack is better than email list


 Rules:
 1. Same DataMeet Community Code of Conduct
 http://datameet.org/wiki/guidelines:datameet-community-code-of-conduct
 2. All public channels are logged and published just like our IRC

 How to join:
 1. I have to send an invitation so fill the below form and I will invite
 eod everyday http://goo.gl/forms/3DdgbveZfa


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Hi all,
Curious to know where the logs of a slack channel are kept, for e.g. slack's.

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Re: [datameet] Draft requirements document for Design Contest for open sourced Bus Routes Management System for PMPML

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On 7/7/15, Nikhil VJ nikhil...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Nisha, Srinivas,

 Thanks.. the idea started out with engaging a college's whole computer
 engineering department or a prof and his/her students for a full-fledged
 internship/mou project that extends over at least 3 months. And then I
 thought it would be better to throw the challenge out in the open instead
 of locking-in dependency... if the bus authority is the one issuing the
 challenge then it'll probably carry through and get taken up seriously.
 Professors usually complain about not having meaty projects for their
 students' internships. So let's meet that demand.

 So right now this is how I envision a possible contest timeline (I'm
 thinking to much ahead but here it is anyway):
 1. Announcement with open sharing of data and design requirements (so
 really kicking it off with all resources made available)
 2. Taking in registrations from teams
 3. Forming an online community of all participating teams and airing out
 all doubts, clarifications etc there
 4. Setting periodic checkpoints of select features that each team must
 achieve and showcase or else be dropped from the competition. (like
 achieving map display, achieving stops-editing, on-map editing, GTFS
 conversion, etc)
 5. Final lap of 1 month to get everything together, and have to put up
 fully functional prototype loaded with data for public review by a set
 deadline.
 6. Some surprises that I don't want to reveal right now, they'll work only
 if kept secret.

 And here's how I'm thinking of bringing the aspects of collaboration in :
 Teams can contact each other and merge into one, with no roll-back
 possibility. This will be easily done IF we haven't kept any prize money
 that needs to be split. This could lead to, say, a joint solution created
 by 2 or 3 colleges working together.

 I don't care if it doesn't work out at the end.. something of this sort
 will produce something or the other that's useful. After all, when you want
 to hit a target, you need to fire a few degrees upward to account for
 gravity.

 What I've visualized in the ppt is basically a visualization of the needs
 that the folks at PMPML have been telling us again and again over the last
 few months. 2 weeks back the newly appointed CMD also told us that they
 desperately need this kind of thing, and so I decided to flesh out the
 requirements so we have something detailed to go with.

 This would happen at the output end of an ongoing effort to (finally!)
 standardize the data that they have, bringing it to a format that is both
 human and machine compatible (and PMPML-approved.. their consent and
 commitment is critical). So it's taking shape here, please see the
 swargate sheet:
 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppFJeb7Dnj6-1yvniH2Q6exQFzK6fM0wsZNn4XZIvkI

 Base data prepared by an org named ITDP, this data is a few years old but
 is more recent that the GTFS file we have, and has had ground-truthing and
 stops rationalization done. So the plan is to populate this, and then guide
 the PMPML's transport managers through editing and updating it, and
 simultaneously we might launch the contest.



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Hi all,
Was talking to some people and came up with few links which could be useful :-

https://mapzen.com/projects/valhalla
https://github.com/valhalla

https://transit.land/
https://github.com/transitland

http://transit.geotrellis.com/#!/travelshed
http://transit.geotrellis.com/travelshed.html
https://github.com/geotrellis/geotrellis-transit

If anything, it tells that there are more than a few options besides GFTS.

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Re: [datameet] Re: 8 reasons why Good Governance will not come by building on Aadhaar

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On 7/5/15, mohit ranjan shoonya.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shirish,

 AFAIK, work of Aadhar was done my Mindtree (not sure all the work or just a
 part of it).
 Also, here's a nice video which talks about internal tech-details used for
 Aadhar.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08sq0y8V1sE

 Hope this helps

 - Mohit


Dear Mohit,
I know that quite a few indian organizations are also part of it but
at the start at least it was Accenture and L1 Identity Solutions, now
Sagem Morpho who are/were part of it. At least Sagem still is.

http://www.moneylife.in/article/unfolding-aadhaar-scam-important-pages-missing-from-uidai-contracts---part1/39321.html

http://www.moneylife.in/article/unfolding-of-aadhaar-scam-guaranteed-revenue-flow-for-mncs-by-modi-govt-ndashpart2/39333.html

And to see that at least the Sagem part is true is their own hackathon
which they organized just sometime back.

https://www.hackerearth.com/sprints/aadhaar-application-hackathon/

My simple question is, should a foreign company have such sort of data
which could be used to influence everything and anything they want out
of it and be paid on top of it.

While http://www.moneylife.in/life/uid/aadhaar has enough questions on
different methods, for e.g. see
http://www.moneylife.in/article/retrieving-lost-aadhaar-number-impossible-test-for-the-poor/40583.html

At the very least, Aadhar or UIDAI has done a piss-poor job of sharing
how they would make the data secure as well as getting data retrieved.
I would certainly look at the video on the week-end when I have a bit
more time at my end :)

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Re: [datameet] Re: 8 reasons why Good Governance will not come by building on Aadhaar

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On 7/4/15, Amiruddin Nagri amir.na...@gmail.com wrote:
 If good governance may not come using UID, it was certainly not coming when

 UID was not there.

 Yes there are all sort of security issues, but if you think about
 120,000,000,000 people, half of whom live below poverty line, with UID
 trying to give them sort of promise that their share of social welfare is
 going to reach them directly without any middleman, that it is not going to

 leak through the 50 yr old pen and paper system, it is good enough to
 implement.

 This article only highlights the problem of UID, but fails to give any
 solutions. Some of the points about legality, security and audit are
 genuine and Govt should move in that direction. But not scrap it because
 the white men were not able to do it successfully.

Hi all,
Dear @Amiruddin the issues that have been outlined are just tip of the
iceberg. There are some other reasons as well :-

a. The company to which the project has been given is not Indian (it's
an American company) . Would such a company would have loyalty to us
or someone else ?

b. Also it's not the question of the white man or the black man but
data corruption. There has been no sharing by the company concerned
what toolings are they using ?

Even a simple wikipedia page outlines the issue with data corruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_corruption gives the various ways
in which silent data corruption can happen.

c. Are there any penalty laws if data gets corrupted. AFAIK there
aren't. Then there should be auditing by third-party of random data
(chunks) , is there some sort of known genuine third-party auditors
that the majority will accept and are technically skilled to see it
through, apart form the Election Commission which does it every 4-5
years don't think so as the dataset is just so huge.

Also how are you assuming that the middle-man will be out?  AFAIK the
application itself is proprietary. If I were a bad guy/ an actor I
would just code a back-door and nobody would be wiser and this could
be anybody in a chain who is supposed to verify the Aadhar information
to the one who is filling the data in. There were reports of data
leakage right at the input source which had been deliberately ignored.
Forget elsewhere, there were such incidents happening in Pune itself
which came in newspapers for a day or two and then disappeared. As
shared above as well, in neither of the cases was any FIR filed or
anything else for that matter.

And if the govt. were really serious about getting people social
welfare, the bank account initiative + using the post office as a
multi-user institution would be more useful.

At the end of the day, whether it is the ration card or Aadhar card,
you will be dealing with the same person whom you were dealing on day
1.

You are also assuming that data at the input stage is all correct, I
had looked at couple of places where people who were working at
Aadhar, how much training they had ?  And if data is corrupted at the
source itself (during sign up) then don't think people will come to
know unless something obvious like gender has changed or year has aged
etc.

I don't really want to talk about Aadhar much  as it's a slippery
slope, hence signing off for now.
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Re: [datameet] Datameet Pune - Interest mail

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On 6/16/15, Devdatta Tengshe devda...@tengshe.in wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm in Pune nowadays, and would love to be a part of this.

 Regards,
 Devdatta
 On 16-Jun-2015 11:06 pm, Craig Dsouza craigds...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear all,
 Some of us in this group from the city of Pune were interested in setting
 up a chapter of Datameet Pune. The broad approach would be much like
 other
 Datameet chapters, i.e. meet and discuss open data and civic issues in
 Pune
 city. This is an interest e-mail we're sending out to gauge the broader
 interest in setting up such a group. Please fill out the form below and
 also forward to anyone who you think may be interested.

 Interest form click here http://goo.gl/forms/4jL9o8LvQl

 The senders of this mail, Craig Dsouza and Nikhil VJ are both active in
 working with different civil society organisations in Pune. We are
 interested in exploring the possibilities of engaging with public data in
 the city, and hope to meet many of you others out there with similar
 interests! :)

 Regards
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Have sent my interest in it, but would be baby of the group :).

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