Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 Platinum sponsor
Hi there ! On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 11:07:46PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Raphaël Walther dijo [Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:34:38AM +0100]: Hi there ! I am very glad to announce that the Matanel Foundation has decided to become Platinum sponsor of DebConf13! You know, I opened this mail quite early today... And left it marked as unread just to remind me later on I should be happy and cheerful — Wheee! Thanks! Congratulations! :-D I am very happy about it as well :-D As they supported also DebConf12 I would like to provide them with the final report by the end of the month. Is it realistic ? Also, it would help us for fundraising. Hummm... It *should* be. And if an important sponsor is expecting it, even more so. I understand the Nicaraguan people had the need to send the report some time ago to HIVOS — Norman, what happene to it? Is there anything we can give Matanel? Does somebody know what is missing? I didn't work on that so far. In my opinion we need someone to take the lead on that. Any volonteers ? It will help us to raise money. Cheers, Raphaël signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thoughts on changing Permanent sponsors to a more descriptive Hosting sponsors?
Brian Gupta brian.gu...@brandorr.com writes: There was consensus in the sponsors-team meeting today, that labeling certain hosting providers as Permanent sponsors is suboptimal, as it it could confuse our otherwise permanent regular financial sponsors the impression that some sponsorship is more highly valued. If one goes to our parent site http://debconf.org/ or the event site http://debconf13.debconf.org/ certain sponsors that provide hosting are listed in a way that gives them prominence over all of our financial sponsors who in many cases provide our organization with monetary assistance well in excess of the monetary value provided by our hosting sponsors. There was agreement that Permanent sponsors should be renamed to Hosting sponsors very soon. Certainly. We also felt that somehow we should normalize the placement of these sponsors, but that this could be deferred for future discussion if we at least addressed the naming issue. IMO we should move them to the Supporters page in separate Section unless the at least contribute the equivalent value of a Bronze Sponsor each year. I don't think we have to do this for past DebConfs, but at least for DC13 and all the following ones. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company
Hi, FYI (no time to write down my opinion atm...) cheers, Holger -- Forwarded Message -- Betreff: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company Datum: Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 Von: Raphaël Walther raphael.walt...@gmail.com An: debconf-sponsors-t...@lists.debconf.org Hi There, In Neuchâtel there is a huge cigarettes factory with approximatively 1500 employees. I think there is a chance they would support us. Before searching and investing my time I am asking you : Would you accept them as a sponsor ? Cheers, Raphaël --- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company
-- Forwarded Message -- Betreff: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company Datum: Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 Von: Raphaël Walther raphael.walt...@gmail.com An: debconf-sponsors-t...@lists.debconf.org Hi There, In Neuchâtel there is a huge cigarettes factory with approximatively 1500 employees. I think there is a chance they would support us. Before searching and investing my time I am asking you : Would you accept them as a sponsor ? Debian is a universal and free operating system. It is quite possible they are already using and profiting from Debian or other open source projects that we all contribute to. So if people really have concerns, maybe we could talk about loosening the DFSG to allow free software licenses that prohibit certain industries benefiting from our work... Looking at it from another angle, people have expressed a preference for the Le Camp location on the basis that they want to be closer to nature, a healthy environment, etc. Having the event sponsored by an organisation like a cigarette company would appear to be a major contradiction of those motivations. I would suggest that negotiations can commence with any company that is operating lawfully, and the sponsor team can come back to the group once they have a better understanding. E.g. if we find 200k from other sponsors, the sponsor team might privately decline the big tobacco offer and there is no need for the community to debate the issue. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company
Hi, yes, if they are running or considering to run Debian (or a derivative) - we should not discriminate anybody. No, if they just want to put their banners into Le Camp. Kind regards Andreas (who never touched a cigarette). On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:28:28PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, FYI (no time to write down my opinion atm...) cheers, Holger -- Forwarded Message -- Betreff: [Debconf-sponsors-team] some company Datum: Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 Von: Raphaël Walther raphael.walt...@gmail.com An: debconf-sponsors-t...@lists.debconf.org Hi There, In Neuchâtel there is a huge cigarettes factory with approximatively 1500 employees. I think there is a chance they would support us. Before searching and investing my time I am asking you : Would you accept them as a sponsor ? Cheers, Raphaël --- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 Platinum sponsor
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 23:07:46 -0600 Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote: Raphaël Walther dijo [Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:34:38AM +0100]: Hi there ! I am very glad to announce that the Matanel Foundation has decided to become Platinum sponsor of DebConf13! You know, I opened this mail quite early today... And left it marked as unread just to remind me later on I should be happy and cheerful — Wheee! Thanks! Congratulations! :-D As they supported also DebConf12 I would like to provide them with the final report by the end of the month. Is it realistic ? Also, it would help us for fundraising. Hummm... It *should* be. And if an important sponsor is expecting it, even more so. I understand the Nicaraguan people had the need to send the report some time ago to HIVOS — Norman, what happene to it? Is there anything we can give Matanel? Does somebody know what is missing? I will write an spanish version this weekend in order to send it to HIVOS, it was one of the agreements in the contract ISIC signed with them. Regards, -- Norman García Aguilar nor...@riseup.net ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf13 Platinum sponsor
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:11:01 +0100 Raphaël Walther raphael.walt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there ! On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 11:07:46PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Raphaël Walther dijo [Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:34:38AM +0100]: Hi there ! I am very glad to announce that the Matanel Foundation has decided to become Platinum sponsor of DebConf13! You know, I opened this mail quite early today... And left it marked as unread just to remind me later on I should be happy and cheerful — Wheee! Thanks! Congratulations! :-D I am very happy about it as well :-D As they supported also DebConf12 I would like to provide them with the final report by the end of the month. Is it realistic ? Also, it would help us for fundraising. Hummm... It *should* be. And if an important sponsor is expecting it, even more so. I understand the Nicaraguan people had the need to send the report some time ago to HIVOS — Norman, what happene to it? Is there anything we can give Matanel? Does somebody know what is missing? I didn't work on that so far. In my opinion we need someone to take the lead on that. Any volonteers ? It will help us to raise money. Xamanu is the one in charge of this, so I have no much information about it, it would be great to know how the process is going from him and if another person is needed to lead the Final Report, we will need to do it. Regards, -- Norman García Aguilar nor...@riseup.net ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thoughts on changing Permanent sponsors to a more descriptive Hosting sponsors?
On 13031 March 1977, Brian Gupta wrote: There was consensus in the sponsors-team meeting today, that labeling certain hosting providers as Permanent sponsors is suboptimal, as it it could confuse our otherwise permanent regular financial sponsors the impression that some sponsorship is more highly valued. Err. It is permanent as in all year round, always. If one goes to our parent site http://debconf.org/ or the event site http://debconf13.debconf.org/ certain sponsors that provide hosting are listed in a way that gives them prominence over all of our financial sponsors who in many cases provide our organization with monetary assistance well in excess of the monetary value provided by our hosting sponsors. You calculate this wrong, by just seeing the (yes, comparably) small value what a machine and bandwidth costs. Now, if you want to go and do all the setup of new machines every year and count that time into it too, you are welcome, but I think its bad. There was agreement that Permanent sponsors should be renamed to Hosting sponsors very soon. Which isn't entirely true. Like Gandi, they don't host a machine. They sponsor our domains. We also felt that somehow we should normalize the placement of these sponsors, but that this could be deferred for future discussion if we at least addressed the naming issue. And while I can understand and partly agree with a rename, normalize a placement? Not sure that can turn out anything good. Also, if renaming, you want to adjust the www.debconf.org part of our sponsors. Right now it lists all of them as Permanent sponsors. If you rename that to Hosting, you do want to show Media partners and Supporter for those that fit there better. -- bye, Joerg First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thoughts on changing Permanent sponsors to a more descriptive Hosting sponsors?
On 13031 March 1977, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: We also felt that somehow we should normalize the placement of these sponsors, but that this could be deferred for future discussion if we at least addressed the naming issue. IMO we should move them to the Supporters page in separate Section unless the at least contribute the equivalent value of a Bronze Sponsor each year. I don't think we have to do this for past DebConfs, but at least for DC13 and all the following ones. No. They do contribute at least the value of a Bronze Sponsor. And they do it year-round. Moving them to some subpage, like 2nd class sponsors, just because it is not money, is a sure way to lose them. -- bye, Joerg If God didn’t want us to eat in church, he would’ve made gluttony a sin. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thoughts on changing Permanent sponsors to a more descriptive Hosting sponsors?
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Joerg Jaspert jo...@debconf.org wrote: On 13031 March 1977, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: We also felt that somehow we should normalize the placement of these sponsors, but that this could be deferred for future discussion if we at least addressed the naming issue. IMO we should move them to the Supporters page in separate Section unless the at least contribute the equivalent value of a Bronze Sponsor each year. I don't think we have to do this for past DebConfs, but at least for DC13 and all the following ones. No. They do contribute at least the value of a Bronze Sponsor. And they do it year-round. I think we need to look at this objectively. Let's break it down.. I don't know the quantity or sizing of VM that each hosting provider contributes.. nor do I have an exact count of the domains. But let's start with a couple of examples and see what we would get if we spent the equivalent of a bronze level sponsorship with two of these sponsors. I am using CHF 1 = $1 for ease of comparison. IE: $2000. DNS: Gandi.net DNS domains for .org are $15.50/year. $2000/year would get you 129 domains. (or more if you shopped around). I suspect we have at most 14 domains, or the cash equivalent of $217/year. Hosting: One of our hosting sponsors, Linode, charges between $19.95/month for their smallest VMs to $$799 for their largest. $2000 would get us between 10 and zero VMs. (Guessing closer to 10 as I doubt they are giving us VMs with 20GB of RAM.) Depending on what these hosting providers are giving us, it's possible, but not certain, that they are providing bronze level equivalency in sponsorship. My guess is they aren't because I don't believe DebConf has huge infrastructure needs, but would need details to work the math. Moving them to some subpage, like 2nd class sponsors, just because it is not money, is a sure way to lose them. I don't know what the answer is, but the fact is that today they are more prominently displayed than financial sponsors today. I believe this warrants further discussion. My feeling is that if their in kind contribution has a cash equivalency value of or near a corresponding Metal level they should also be listed at that level. I'll flip this around. If a potential sponsor or current sponsor reaches out to us and asks how to get listed as a permanent sponsor, what is our answer? We are planning on reaching out to a number of ISPs and hosting vendors that run Debian, so I am sure it will come up, and frankly we need money to pay for the conference, not more VMs. -- bye, Joerg If God didn’t want us to eat in church, he would’ve made gluttony a sin. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thoughts on changing Permanent sponsors to a more descriptive Hosting sponsors?
Joerg Jaspert jo...@debconf.org writes: On 13031 March 1977, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: We also felt that somehow we should normalize the placement of these sponsors, but that this could be deferred for future discussion if we at least addressed the naming issue. IMO we should move them to the Supporters page in separate Section unless the at least contribute the equivalent value of a Bronze Sponsor each year. I don't think we have to do this for past DebConfs, but at least for DC13 and all the following ones. No. They do contribute at least the value of a Bronze Sponsor. And they do it year-round. Is the information about what each sponsor provides us available somewhere. I'm fine if you don't want to make this public, but please add the information to the debconf-team SVN repo or the sponsors-table GIT repo. Or point me in the right direction if this is already somewhere. I'm a bit surprised by the fact that you tell me that they provide the value of at least a Bronze Sponsor. I can't imagine that we have Domains from Gandi valueing 2000 CHF. For others it seems more likely but still a lot. We have 5 permanent sponsors who do hosting. This would mean we need at least 10k for hosting each year? Moving them to some subpage, like 2nd class sponsors, just because it is not money, is a sure way to lose them. As I wrote if they really provide equivalent support of a Bronze sponsor, I'm fine with the current situation. If not on the other hand it's unfair to the other sponsors. And if we really loose one of them. I'm sure we will find anotherone in Switzerland without them being on every page. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Thoughts on changing Permanent sponsors to a more descriptive Hosting sponsors?
On 13031 March 1977, Brian Gupta wrote: No. They do contribute at least the value of a Bronze Sponsor. And they do it year-round. I think we need to look at this objectively. Let's break it down.. I don't know the quantity or sizing of VM that each hosting provider contributes.. nor do I have an exact count of the domains. Linode and GPLHost provide VMs, the rest are providing real hardware (usually one of the biggest options you can find on their sites, from around the times we got them, in one case even larger). But let's start with a couple of examples and see what we would get if we spent the equivalent of a bronze level sponsorship with two of these sponsors. I am using CHF 1 = $1 for ease of comparison. IE: $2000. DNS: Gandi.net DNS domains for .org are $15.50/year. $2000/year would get you 129 domains. (or more if you shopped around). I suspect we have at most 14 domains, or the cash equivalent of $217/year. Right, Gandi does not add up so high. Hosting: One of our hosting sponsors, Linode, charges between $19.95/month for their smallest VMs to $$799 for their largest. $2000 would get us between 10 and zero VMs. (Guessing closer to 10 as I doubt they are giving us VMs with 20GB of RAM.) Depending on what these hosting providers are giving us, it's possible, but not certain, that they are providing bronze level equivalency in sponsorship. My guess is they aren't because I don't believe DebConf has huge infrastructure needs, but would need details to work the math. We do have some interesting needs, but anyways, in that calculation you totally miss what it means to us to have the machines all the time. Always. Before DC6 we didn't. And it wasn't nice to get the stuff all back, always. Moving them to some subpage, like 2nd class sponsors, just because it is not money, is a sure way to lose them. I don't know what the answer is, but the fact is that today they are more prominently displayed than financial sponsors today. I believe this warrants further discussion. My feeling is that if their in kind contribution has a cash equivalency value of or near a corresponding Metal level they should also be listed at that level. I don't want, nor do they need, to be more prominently displayed than financial sponsors. I thought thats why you usually find the money giving ones at the top of our pages, in one of the sidebars, and the permanent ones all the way down, whenever the content is done. (DC12, DC13. Looks like DC11 they had an own sidebar indeed). Im not unhappy with them being shoved down to the bottom, I'm unhappy with them being exiled to a oh, we also have those over there page, basically communicating we don't value it (IMO). I'll flip this around. If a potential sponsor or current sponsor reaches out to us and asks how to get listed as a permanent sponsor, what is our answer? We are planning on reaching out to a number of ISPs and hosting vendors that run Debian, so I am sure it will come up, and frankly we need money to pay for the conference, not more VMs. My answer is that, if you can, you please get us some money. But if you say outright you can or will not (like just happened), and we have a need, then I am more than happy to take a permanent sponsor, instead of nothing. Also, with the machines we currently have, we do have enough permanent sponsors, so the next such offer, *currently* wouldn't be taken. -- bye, Joerg Kids, kids. I’m not going to die. That only happens to bad people. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
