Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:26:34PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Last year there was also an idea to do condorcet voting on the requests which sounded like a nice idea. The idea is that every member of the team assembles a (partial) ordering of the requests and we run that through condorcet to get the list of sponsored people. The idea is interesting, but I believe it is too late for us to try it. I don't think it's too late. The idea was IIRC mainly proposed by Steve. Mabe he can comment a bit more on it. I still think this is a good idea in principle, but I personally don't have time to implement something like this within summit, and I think trying to rank 144 sponsorship requests (or even just the 70 travel sponsorship requests) for Condorcet voting would be awkward to tally by hand. I certainly agree that we would need an automated solution for the tallying. I'm not sure if devotee would be able to do this. The main advantage I see in this method is that at least for me it seems easier and fairer to order the requests than to do the ranking we currently do. The ranking has the potential that my criteria shift a bit as I go through the list and to be absolutely fair I would have to go through all request again in a second round. Doing an ordering would make this easier. I also think that we should only do this for those requesting travel sponsorship. Doing it for food and accomodation is just too much work with little additional value. For food and accomodation we should only sort out unreasonalble requests IMO and grant the others. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 05:54:41PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:26:34PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Last year there was also an idea to do condorcet voting on the requests which sounded like a nice idea. The idea is that every member of the team assembles a (partial) ordering of the requests and we run that through condorcet to get the list of sponsored people. The idea is interesting, but I believe it is too late for us to try it. I don't think it's too late. The idea was IIRC mainly proposed by Steve. Mabe he can comment a bit more on it. I still think this is a good idea in principle, but I personally don't have time to implement something like this within summit, and I think trying to rank 144 sponsorship requests (or even just the 70 travel sponsorship requests) for Condorcet voting would be awkward to tally by hand. I certainly agree that we would need an automated solution for the tallying. I'm not sure if devotee would be able to do this. The main advantage I see in this method is that at least for me it seems easier and fairer to order the requests than to do the ranking we currently do. The ranking has the potential that my criteria shift a bit as I go through the list and to be absolutely fair I would have to go through all request again in a second round. Doing an ordering would make this easier. How about this for an interim approach? - You create your ordered ranking locally of all the people asking for travel sponsorship. - You keep track of how much time this takes you to do, for postmortem purposes. - When we have the final tally in Summit of people who we will approve travel expenses for, you can review the list to see if there are any people not approved that you had scored higher than other people that are approved, and we can discuss these edge cases. - Afterwards, we can discuss whether it makes sense to use a formal condorcet vote and find out if someone is willing to do the work to implement this in time for next year :) Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, On 17/05/14 03:26, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org writes: On 14/05/14 01:53, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org writes: Which process do you intend to use? I much prefered the process we used last year to the penta based rating the previous year. I don't know if summit has any facility to help with the process at all. Nothing really special or much different from previous years. Summit has a similar rating system, the main difference is that we will try to use only one ranking score for both travel and food/accommodation, instead of two (one for travel and another for food/accommodation). I don't think we ever did scores for food/accomodation. This has as long as I've been involved always been a simple yes/no decision to sort out completely unreasonable requests (people not involved with Debian and/or Free Software at all that nobody knows). AFAIK, we never did scores for food/accommodation. For travel sponsorship penta had two scores (involvement in Debian and amount requested IIRC). But these have been a bit confusing, so yes the general consensus in the past has been that only one dimension of rating would be better. Is that what you mean? Exactly. We have only one score in summit. Last year there was also an idea to do condorcet voting on the requests which sounded like a nice idea. The idea is that every member of the team assembles a (partial) ordering of the requests and we run that through condorcet to get the list of sponsored people. The idea is interesting, but I believe it is too late for us to try it. I don't think it's too late. The idea was IIRC mainly proposed by Steve. Mabe he can comment a bit more on it. Our original goal is to come up with a conclusion in the next 5 days so we can send the emails to people. Four people from the team already started ranking sponsorship requests (and some people already scored all of them). Finally, we don't have a clear process or tool to do analysis of the sets (and I'm not even sure if cloneproof Schwartz would be the proper method for this problem). Designing, developing and testing such tool/process would drain our scarce resources, which potentially would compromise the goal of providing an answer by next week. So I still believe it is too late for us to consider or try it. But this is Debian (and DebConf), so if you feel like implementing, testing and reporting on it in the next 2 days, we might have a shot at analyzing and discussing it within Bursaries Team, so we can make a decision about it. I would still recommend to focus on the process we have at hand, and use DC14 with a BoF to try something different, and for DC15, start the discussion early enough to be able to use it. Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTedd6AAoJEMa4WYSFUi4tSyQP/3SvKtRGohjy9bRW9qkMEQCk 9dN0f4NFZ7nGunUtUH4HGG5pGmaKL6fuHnFV9n/ANNY+H5UeBX4fT1i0j3uJhviM xOrsj20HRDP0msw3IfESQodyDmXinp4cxxBAz3a/TsO4S7Oe7cJ4HV4zYhZdy07R bN0l74ZM5ZAPXKIJ0pif3JObj8iqnbvrxmBp/AcgkNoVjZioWavHyw/B/fLMcsF0 OfPX7XZYr4xkTvtZUhlWIJmCaevV+5sDaYQHsmdJJCHk7RgGJ3vxYXJK7zsysk10 U432Z32RoZ20NWGI1NU1bKzRHZllS7WjL0JlX/QClXgoJK+zolQYAFdMBMD/dcgK pdc+w024oHrD443NdG8o0/H65TrS605f9Xc1SukxlrSnC0kZH3nQUPtcrVHJXsDV OReNDADvG0rpvNYm3heOJzNFV4Olq7ggaHOol4gjU08rBS1ABqkUBR0oxAENc2Zh 5ip/ytKQiMYlw25c6ZZyOJOmg2lZit8tS+CpfWGsoOpsmcysu6+W05xPGOpUgKV5 RPxEtKgKzLpuP9UuEgrtyKU+lGpHkTwRP2NJds2/zAjPqkYugCYOMTUHcdxARRr1 UMszIpZPWLbN95qAaTJ0gqR4EewV3DorV7YHgkVjavl5p9UaoShXgMh1EKAijOd5 sba7kLuwrJbcnnfveloM =vLGP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:26:34PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Last year there was also an idea to do condorcet voting on the requests which sounded like a nice idea. The idea is that every member of the team assembles a (partial) ordering of the requests and we run that through condorcet to get the list of sponsored people. The idea is interesting, but I believe it is too late for us to try it. I don't think it's too late. The idea was IIRC mainly proposed by Steve. Mabe he can comment a bit more on it. I still think this is a good idea in principle, but I personally don't have time to implement something like this within summit, and I think trying to rank 144 sponsorship requests (or even just the 70 travel sponsorship requests) for Condorcet voting would be awkward to tally by hand. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, On 14/05/14 01:53, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org writes: On Friday night or Saturday, I will send the initial instructions about what we have to do and what is our common rules. Which process do you intend to use? I much prefered the process we used last year to the penta based rating the previous year. I don't know if summit has any facility to help with the process at all. Nothing really special or much different from previous years. Summit has a similar rating system, the main difference is that we will try to use only one ranking score for both travel and food/accommodation, instead of two (one for travel and another for food/accommodation). Last year there was also an idea to do condorcet voting on the requests which sounded like a nice idea. The idea is that every member of the team assembles a (partial) ordering of the requests and we run that through condorcet to get the list of sponsored people. The idea is interesting, but I believe it is too late for us to try it. We did not do that in the end, because the total amount of available money was bigger than the amount of sponsorship requested. So we only sorted out unreasonable request. Unfortunately, we are not that lucky this year, the total amount of sponsorship requested is greater than our budget, so we will have to go thru the score and ranking process. Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTdxQ9AAoJEMa4WYSFUi4t0tgP/0bb7yJefxGvy1A7vKb07WOv EyxIdhGn/0ao/5jUBlduexKU42F+Cxl4V8XTxyDeUF6qyNdI+HfN5nBdzkXLlocc V/bkfCjaQ6lDag7Ljw8QFJ2X2vNX/476eYcMFSrUqRSJAlH/nvi+hbGHoIjq1d7Z E8GPR33NG291ETBN39yOTIMw4ZaMyq1HqfKwsAQ/Wiq/jRPSi0TFQTLmLTLnHSZo l72qOr5+BG6ua0gGoITUCxQOG1XcIyN6XtVXumwZhndeMSgfS3lxU3TSbQLH4W37 7co4GahBFOiDS+rdEx3chzpiHgGNFPJFcvO5kFsK6tVJxzGr+0OBI3yN9hyq66p2 pZNvvQaKzYU19EpJl04R5q/EEWFeGxlhUhmBFsDV2VUDgDq/J5GaUsLa5eTpZ5yB qBmuPGr+S3Gu24Dir0zhDJ2rTnU2opZAu/cAwGQPJjfEaLngRU/KxedpvOz30H7C mtzr9wfIS0fnQcoGEqHXQiI+uoVsA0zH1jeawE5dWAbfWZPS5hnBmPlJViN3mrfr GpbR2DuJK+OxFzCFNRxprI/fROBL8MEvZgzWW53Wu/SMeR6SOXYXyTGLuOpWrYJh eeMbnv6GeurwqO0H9pR4N3EWO00/CQ/usOJ0rJS069sBbs2pYdOEt2moa8KrKrN6 lZl+3jI8+wkMHmyaLoG4 =UidC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, On 12/05/14 02:15, Eugene Zhukov wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Felipe van de Wiel (faw) wrote: What do we need from those who volunteer? The deadline for requesting sponsorship is on Thursday 2014-05-15, and we are aiming at producing the results by Sunday 2014-04-25 to ^^ I guess it should have been 2014-05-25. Good catch! :) Anyway, if I could be of any help let me know. Thank you for volunteering. As soon as we hit the deadline we will update email alias and permissions on the system, and I will shoot the initial instructions for our work. :) Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTcyYcAAoJEMa4WYSFUi4tOPwQAJmTmV9MvQMZKCHA9pvi/5vQ to133ScYykn43cEn/LNJWMUDDB01tkvFaxJeMc0OhBBNzbKP9xuKJ/jb4xjc8SPT p3ofwcF13KCXDqZTUB942OaU9JEy9gviFOEpyWpEsu4fL5d++VCmAeNhV3VwfOR5 Ghdvfp3Y9qpjQjA8VcTgchpn798Jc1q+yfqG+9uZYJ51+SZ1eFA1MZyCJhkBBNMb ue9FEx2B/ZhSOLVT12x2g1egRMFx5CSHFp3clZEgOUMnfwmrsg92a4kpCcwoRcdx 1k1ZAy5K3qM0IWMRw//aivWLigNEST5TZTarTgCtZfRnpcdaJhYProOw0efKsjAe 0jmZGcPDEoGlcYAvwO6601qyzUCRT6/trXuT2SnVlUCrm03KmggX2g9iE6V3IYoK uneRP4sk5GApApeEnYdAt7fyFE294kLN0Kun54RKfzKri0kT70I97L4SqMzQkOm7 olUDEhs9HXNCwfAjEGJP2J+LYE+wfMdUyrknU81tAfLV3wyLYaCQnIUf+kBxHQIv jpqP5zshjrNMpdXp3O6MzjilIf8jYqeSzHpCTrW6oFSmVHjk/SjWvPP4/6W5Bo0M qeasLySDfjtHa3p7WkHyJgDXfPjnKyS7oh2kSTTBWfL50Zaha2j1goSBi9nPMpaA XdzagT3Dk+BIpegUQ5SV =CryP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi all, Replying to the list, and bcc:ing everybody that volunteered. :) On 12/05/14 01:51, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: Are you interested in helping us? Read on! :-) [...] We are aiming to have a group of ~10 people to be large enough, but not too large. So, if you want to be a part of the team, please reply to debconf-team @ lists.debconf.org letting us know. As you might notice we are on a short schedule, so please, reply as soon as possible, before 2014-05-16 (Friday). [...] Thank you for volunteering. On Friday morning I will prepare the list with the Bursaries Team members so everybody will be in the email alias and will get permissions to review the sponsorship requests. On Friday night or Saturday, I will send the initial instructions about what we have to do and what is our common rules. As of now, we have 10 people in the team, I don't expect we will grow much bigger, so we will probably use all the offers we got, in the case we have a sudden wave of volunteers, I will try to keep the team under 15 people, with a good mix of experienced and new blood. Once again, thank you for contributing! Kind regards, - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTcylSAAoJEMa4WYSFUi4tRicQALmMrBFpyWRJ85HIYknM0b+D UQ7iWy2ayMcev2iadp8QdawFP2IUYa6KSamMxqXManLtuUgJgAQ+lyYTVX50RPsN 6T2g7E9qV0aeZT4LhKcofQ1cftsmKJ/Lv5Co74OauVCadhGF0PsuzJARU4l4DtRb vLhRFY0QJumA19saDO1DNie50gAn8D8r+HRxLzb7jPgoEcAyUI66XQibGKEEjZNS Q0xU+RyrSYH3uP9jDDmqS6wUGpuiptKbtlrUqns1o4FbWrrOOOglUpln4SESqIxW MCSdlAAcdNSSVwrZU8o0qzf0DUA4d+kat6x4Ak2PJ5YGp6zF0UC5BQ4n4C/LRaQO Jkst0Q0z2cYCl6zHHob7jj8szKatW3Z8u5r+J38fs0KUSuk+wu7/ALAXGi8zDJVT JI2wG5KkUelw/gFgR7sBcs2/r54RDPHfmxElVe/+SLTAnai2HK3EoIv4S82cUe0P /1QTgMpoMTkPp4WGK+SntkFKREAk6k97Rc8WnlhSpzaWy3X2ahVK1IAb/t6QS/yr EjkfOmSoyIiz6yg1baCRIs13dsYXbN8mPJxGPZ3PevZws9Xvgwu5ESUKY0IUEZtS ufgQBqc2qnli0aSj1+UnXwFNQmC+ivAbJlByKbVi7/dy2xSA3lq5chAZIV8WSbSv xinYKsKcuu8B0HcPqGAG =YNcn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@funlabs.org writes: On Friday night or Saturday, I will send the initial instructions about what we have to do and what is our common rules. Which process do you intend to use? I much prefered the process we used last year to the penta based rating the previous year. I don't know if summit has any facility to help with the process at all. Last year there was also an idea to do condorcet voting on the requests which sounded like a nice idea. The idea is that every member of the team assembles a (partial) ordering of the requests and we run that through condorcet to get the list of sponsored people. We did not do that in the end, because the total amount of available money was bigger than the amount of sponsorship requested. So we only sorted out unreasonable request. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
Hello, On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@debian.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi all, We are assembling this year's Bursaries Team to help us rate the travel sponsorship and food/accommodation requests for DebConf14. We will follow most of the past years' procedures, always trying to improve on, specially on transparency. Are you interested in helping us? Read on! :-) What is this Bursaries Team all about? The Bursaries Team has a very important role in DebConf: they are responsible for evaluating requests for sponsorship, both food/accommodation and travel. Funds for sponsorship are limited, so this team has the difficult task of ranking sponsorship requests to ensure that these funds are put to the best use for Debian. Obviously, the problem is much harder than just assigning the money to the various _tasks_ we have to do, as this decision directly affects individuals. We have tried in the past to include in our team people from various areas of Debian, from different geographic origins, even with different group of friends, in order to avoid clique-based rating, or in any way biasing the results. Once again we are repeating the idea of broad call for help, using d-d-a to hopefully reach a bigger part of Debian, as it is Debian funds we will be using and it is Debian-related people (whether DDs, DMs or other contributors) we will be assigning it to. What do we need from those who volunteer? The deadline for requesting sponsorship is on Thursday 2014-05-15, and we are aiming at producing the results by Sunday 2014-04-25 to ^^ I guess it should have been 2014-05-25. Anyway, if I could be of any help let me know. Eugene ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 01:51:28AM -0700, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: We are assembling this year's Bursaries Team to help us rate the travel sponsorship and food/accommodation requests for DebConf14. We will follow most of the past years' procedures, always trying to improve on, specially on transparency. Are you interested in helping us? Read on! :-) Hia, I've done this (almost!) every year in the past, so happy to do it again. Although if you'd prefer some new blood, that's fine too :) Neil ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
On Mon, 12 May 2014 01:51:28 -0700 Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@debian.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi all, We are assembling this year's Bursaries Team to help us rate the travel sponsorship and food/accommodation requests for DebConf14. We will follow most of the past years' procedures, always trying to improve on, specially on transparency. Are you interested in helping us? Read on! :-) What is this Bursaries Team all about? The Bursaries Team has a very important role in DebConf: they are responsible for evaluating requests for sponsorship, both food/accommodation and travel. Funds for sponsorship are limited, so this team has the difficult task of ranking sponsorship requests to ensure that these funds are put to the best use for Debian. Obviously, the problem is much harder than just assigning the money to the various _tasks_ we have to do, as this decision directly affects individuals. We have tried in the past to include in our team people from various areas of Debian, from different geographic origins, even with different group of friends, in order to avoid clique-based rating, or in any way biasing the results. Once again we are repeating the idea of broad call for help, using d-d-a to hopefully reach a bigger part of Debian, as it is Debian funds we will be using and it is Debian-related people (whether DDs, DMs or other contributors) we will be assigning it to. What do we need from those who volunteer? The deadline for requesting sponsorship is on Thursday 2014-05-15, and we are aiming at producing the results by Sunday 2014-04-25 to give sponsored attendees time to get good prices on plane tickets. We have a week where you'll need to concentrate your work/time so we can produce our results and delivery them on time. First, to be part of the Bursaries Team you can't request travel sponsorship for yourself, the goal here is to avoid influencing the decision process, and also to reduce legal risks for fiscal sponsors. Second, some time and patience. You will have to go through the amount of people requesting travel sponsorship (you can expect it to be between 50-150 people), look at their reasoning as to why they are requesting it, how reasonable their requested amount sounds (yes, reasonable is too broad a word -- the team will have to decide about it), and rate numerically. Usually, once the requests are rated, we define a cutoff value. Third, an extra bit of time and patience. We will try to coordinate asynchronously by email, but an IRC meeting might be necessary to make the final decisions, ensure the produced list looks sane, and to find any hiccups before they explode. And if they explode, believe me, it can be ugly. But they don't have to explode at all, as we are nice and careful ;-) Finally, to meet the requests for transparency, we have to report our work, without breaching the privacy of the people who request this sponsorship (again, as this is a very personal, social and money-related topic, it can be very touchy). So, the work will not finish as soon as we deliver the list, but somewhat later, quite probably a bit after DebConf itself. Again: You don't have to be a DebConf long-time organizer nor attendee. You don't have to be a many-years-long DD. We want the group to be diverse, and that *surely* includes people that simply are not in the same intra-Debian demographic group that most of us are. We are aiming to have a group of ~10 people to be large enough, but not too large. So, if you want to be a part of the team, please reply to debconf-team @ lists.debconf.org letting us know. As you might notice we are on a short schedule, so please, reply as soon as possible, before 2014-05-16 (Friday). I'd like to help with this, I'm a DebConf contributor since DC11, mostly of my work is in registration, visa and do some in herb for DC12 :) Regards, -- Norman García nor...@riseup.net ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
Hi Felipe, On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 01:51:28AM -0700, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: We are assembling this year's Bursaries Team to help us rate the travel sponsorship and food/accommodation requests for DebConf14. We will follow most of the past years' procedures, always trying to improve on, specially on transparency. Are you interested in helping us? Read on! :-) snip We are aiming to have a group of ~10 people to be large enough, but not too large. So, if you want to be a part of the team, please reply to debconf-team @ lists.debconf.org letting us know. I'm willing to help with this again (was on the team last year, and a few times in the past). Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
Hi Felipe, On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Norman García nor...@riseup.net wrote: I'd like to help with this, I'm a DebConf contributor since DC11, mostly of my work is in registration, visa and do some in herb for DC12 :) I was on the bursaries team for DC13 and would like to help again. Philipp ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
On 2014-05-12 08:51, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: I'm happy to volunteer ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@debian.org writes: As you might notice we are on a short schedule, so please, reply as soon as possible, before 2014-05-16 (Friday). I'm willing to help if needed. I was on the team for DC12 and DC13. But if you already have enough volunteers, I'm also happy to spend my time with more fun things. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
On Monday 12 May 2014 01:51:28 Felipe Augusto van de Wiel wrote: We are aiming to have a group of ~10 people to be large enough, but not too large. So, if you want to be a part of the team, please reply to debconf-team @ lists.debconf.org letting us know. I'm available if more people are needed. I have no past experience doing this task, however. -- Regards, Kaare ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Call for Help: DebConf14 Bursaries Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi all, We are assembling this year's Bursaries Team to help us rate the travel sponsorship and food/accommodation requests for DebConf14. We will follow most of the past years' procedures, always trying to improve on, specially on transparency. Are you interested in helping us? Read on! :-) What is this Bursaries Team all about? The Bursaries Team has a very important role in DebConf: they are responsible for evaluating requests for sponsorship, both food/accommodation and travel. Funds for sponsorship are limited, so this team has the difficult task of ranking sponsorship requests to ensure that these funds are put to the best use for Debian. Obviously, the problem is much harder than just assigning the money to the various _tasks_ we have to do, as this decision directly affects individuals. We have tried in the past to include in our team people from various areas of Debian, from different geographic origins, even with different group of friends, in order to avoid clique-based rating, or in any way biasing the results. Once again we are repeating the idea of broad call for help, using d-d-a to hopefully reach a bigger part of Debian, as it is Debian funds we will be using and it is Debian-related people (whether DDs, DMs or other contributors) we will be assigning it to. What do we need from those who volunteer? The deadline for requesting sponsorship is on Thursday 2014-05-15, and we are aiming at producing the results by Sunday 2014-04-25 to give sponsored attendees time to get good prices on plane tickets. We have a week where you'll need to concentrate your work/time so we can produce our results and delivery them on time. First, to be part of the Bursaries Team you can't request travel sponsorship for yourself, the goal here is to avoid influencing the decision process, and also to reduce legal risks for fiscal sponsors. Second, some time and patience. You will have to go through the amount of people requesting travel sponsorship (you can expect it to be between 50-150 people), look at their reasoning as to why they are requesting it, how reasonable their requested amount sounds (yes, reasonable is too broad a word -- the team will have to decide about it), and rate numerically. Usually, once the requests are rated, we define a cutoff value. Third, an extra bit of time and patience. We will try to coordinate asynchronously by email, but an IRC meeting might be necessary to make the final decisions, ensure the produced list looks sane, and to find any hiccups before they explode. And if they explode, believe me, it can be ugly. But they don't have to explode at all, as we are nice and careful ;-) Finally, to meet the requests for transparency, we have to report our work, without breaching the privacy of the people who request this sponsorship (again, as this is a very personal, social and money-related topic, it can be very touchy). So, the work will not finish as soon as we deliver the list, but somewhat later, quite probably a bit after DebConf itself. Again: You don't have to be a DebConf long-time organizer nor attendee. You don't have to be a many-years-long DD. We want the group to be diverse, and that *surely* includes people that simply are not in the same intra-Debian demographic group that most of us are. We are aiming to have a group of ~10 people to be large enough, but not too large. So, if you want to be a part of the team, please reply to debconf-team @ lists.debconf.org letting us know. As you might notice we are on a short schedule, so please, reply as soon as possible, before 2014-05-16 (Friday). Bonus question: why is it called Bursaries Team? In previous years this team was also known as Travel Sponsorship Team, Travel Bursaries Team or simply Herb, we are trying to reduce confusion, specially with the Sponsorship Team that handles the event sponsors, so in recent years it was renamed as Bursaries Team, removing the term 'sponsorship' from its name. And to give you some extra context, Wikipedia to the rescue: In modern English usage, however, the term has become synonymous with monetary awards made by some institutions to individuals or groups of people who cannot afford to pay full fees. According to the Good Schools Guide, a bursary is usually for helping out the impoverished but deserving and those fallen on hard times. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bursary Thank you! - -- Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) f...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTcIuQAAoJEMa4WYSFUi4tvkYQALx38pT8kF9WSrbbXFnTPn4T 0v5ClQgBsus8o/TxrUfFgdYfDZsiivIlMyjjU/x5mFDTAaJh1flS6f98wSq/33cu A7QIXs/mDEpuagjzyQPGWmtPYlAt+9OSE1ltYlEKDnrLQ1wHCaEJFjAH7VoJFP3W i3fLMFuTb0Ulhu7mXc2drCkVfSP2lc9tn5CVWgdyqAXD3N7RJiDPTFnnLYZKhOGb TVPKB1P8ky+h0lmlVdSZHjXHq+05pB8JIYLGpy6Wo/E7HqhQL17/kZiKUQFPNx0v
