Re: lesson learned

[Jude DaShiell]

All I can tell you on that score was when I booted the machine I never
heard the grub beep.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Jude DaShiell, le mar. 22 août 2023 21:00:14 -0400, a ecrit:
> > I got that system installed fine, but once booted never got
> > a screen reader to come up and speak.
>
> But was it booting at all? If not, this is not an accessibility issue (I
> don't see how it could), and should be reported to
> debian-b...@lists.debian.org (or better, as a bug report).
>
> Samuel
>

Re: lesson learned

[Jude DaShiell]

I installed bookworm this time, so maybe that worked in earlier versions
but may not necessarily work in bookworm.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, Sam Hartman wrote:

> >>>>> "Jude" == Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> Jude> For any interested in installing a system with screen reader
> Jude> accessibility don't do what I did.  It took me most of a day
> Jude> to reverse but I finally got it reversed.  On no account
> Jude> choose lvm and entire disk in disk partitioning.  I got that
> Jude> system installed fine, but once booted never got a screen
> Jude> reader to come up and speak.  I don't know why this is the
> Jude> case now, but there it is for any interested.  A friend I have
> Jude> suggested using lvm since I use larger disks so I tryed it
> Jude> this once and lesson learned.
>
> Uh, I do this all the time and have no issues with screen readers.
> I think I've even done that once with Debian Installer.
> I normally do not use Debian Installer to install systems.
>
> --Sam
>

Re: lesson learned

[Jude DaShiell]

I was using uefi if that helps.  I could do that again, but if I did I'd
save all installation logs to a flash drive if the flash drive will hold
the data long enough for me to send it.  I've had bad luck with flash
drives recently.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, K0LNY wrote:

> I suspect it has to do with using either MBR or UEFI and how the BIOS is set
> for that.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 8:00 PM
> Subject: lesson learned
>
>
> For any interested in installing a system with screen reader accessibility
> don't do what I did.  It took me most of a day to reverse but I finally
> got it reversed.  On no account choose lvm and entire disk in disk
> partitioning.  I got that system installed fine, but once booted never got
> a screen reader to come up and speak.  I don't know why this is the case
> now, but there it is for any interested.  A friend I have suggested using
> lvm since I use larger disks so I tryed it this once and lesson learned.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
>

lesson learned

[Jude DaShiell]

For any interested in installing a system with screen reader accessibility
don't do what I did.  It took me most of a day to reverse but I finally
got it reversed.  On no account choose lvm and entire disk in disk
partitioning.  I got that system installed fine, but once booted never got
a screen reader to come up and speak.  I don't know why this is the case
now, but there it is for any interested.  A friend I have suggested using
lvm since I use larger disks so I tryed it this once and lesson learned.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

alternate mate startup

[Jude DaShiell]

With lightdm disabled running in console is no problem.  What has me
curious is what changes and/or additions I would need to make to the
default startx script so when startx is run in the console it brings up
mate and orca speaking.
With lightdm enabled before a gui login, I found the f4 key brings the
screen reader up.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

bookworm scripts work in mate-terminal and fail in console

[Jude DaShiell]

The bookworm packages selection for this system was desktop environment;
mate, and standard utilities.
Multimedia scripts I have work fine in mate-terminal and remain silent
when run in console with espeakup.
Had I only installed mate and standard utilities would this problem not
exist?

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: most bookworm multimedia does not work

[Jude DaShiell]

Interesting, I got vlc playing after pulseaudio had some of its files
replaced by pipewire.  This is running in mate inside a terminal and I ran
one of the scripts that didn't work for a while.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> A couple scripts for anyone to use:
> cut here.
> #!/usr/bin/env bash
> # file: lc - leave console mode.
> sudo systemctl enable lightdm
> sudo reboot
>
> cut here.
> #!/usr/bin/env bash
> # file: lg - leave gui mode.
> sudo systemctl disable lightdm
> sudo reboot
>
>

Re: most bookworm multimedia does not work

[Jude DaShiell]

A couple scripts for anyone to use:
cut here.
#!/usr/bin/env bash
# file: lc - leave console mode.
sudo systemctl enable lightdm
sudo reboot

cut here.
#!/usr/bin/env bash
# file: lg - leave gui mode.
sudo systemctl disable lightdm
sudo reboot

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Orca still works with much popping as keys get typed on the female voice.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > I have scripts that use vlc and mpv to play streaming stations and neither
> > of those programs work and I'm not entirely sure about sox either.  Use of
> > deb.multimedia.org has not fixed the problems this time either.
> > Replacement of pulseaudio with pipe wire hasn't solved the problems
> > either.  Fortunately I got pipe-wire installed and running on this machine
> > a while ago so I will be running pipe-wire to see if I can listen to a
> > youtube video with it.  If that doesn't work I figure some rather major
> > breakage happened somewhere along the way.  I'm going to test
> > speechdispatcher before giving up on this entirely.  I had got mate
> > installed on this system earlier and run in console mode by running
> > systemctl disable lightdm then rebooting the system.  In order to enter
> > gui mode again systemctl enable lightdm and then rebooting usually has to
> > be done.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: most bookworm multimedia does not work

[Jude DaShiell]

Orca still works with much popping as keys get typed on the female voice.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> I have scripts that use vlc and mpv to play streaming stations and neither
> of those programs work and I'm not entirely sure about sox either.  Use of
> deb.multimedia.org has not fixed the problems this time either.
> Replacement of pulseaudio with pipe wire hasn't solved the problems
> either.  Fortunately I got pipe-wire installed and running on this machine
> a while ago so I will be running pipe-wire to see if I can listen to a
> youtube video with it.  If that doesn't work I figure some rather major
> breakage happened somewhere along the way.  I'm going to test
> speechdispatcher before giving up on this entirely.  I had got mate
> installed on this system earlier and run in console mode by running
> systemctl disable lightdm then rebooting the system.  In order to enter
> gui mode again systemctl enable lightdm and then rebooting usually has to
> be done.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
>

most bookworm multimedia does not work

[Jude DaShiell]

I have scripts that use vlc and mpv to play streaming stations and neither
of those programs work and I'm not entirely sure about sox either.  Use of
deb.multimedia.org has not fixed the problems this time either.
Replacement of pulseaudio with pipe wire hasn't solved the problems
either.  Fortunately I got pipe-wire installed and running on this machine
a while ago so I will be running pipe-wire to see if I can listen to a
youtube video with it.  If that doesn't work I figure some rather major
breakage happened somewhere along the way.  I'm going to test
speechdispatcher before giving up on this entirely.  I had got mate
installed on this system earlier and run in console mode by running
systemctl disable lightdm then rebooting the system.  In order to enter
gui mode again systemctl enable lightdm and then rebooting usually has to
be done.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

If the computer is a netbook, you're better off replacing the computer and
trashing the existing computer after data recovery operations.  Netbooks
rely mostly on software and have limited parts inside and where I
volunteered for 8 years at Smartco we routinely sent them to the junk yard
since it wasn't worth harvesting any parts from them to build referbished
computers.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Yeah, I don't know how easy it would be to change the motherboard, the
> computer is small, about the size of a double sandwich.
> I put in my own RAM and HD, that part is easy, but I don't know if it is a
> simple process on one of these to disconnect the peripheral plugs from the
> motherboard.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 1:34 AM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> If you can get local to that machine and not use ssh to connect you may
> want to check the internal sound chip and if it has failed, you may need a
> new motherboard.  The hard drives here can't  verify downloaded files any
> longer so it's likely this computer also needs a new motherboard.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > It was working, and decided to stop talking.
> > I also tried your idea about the power maybe not being enough, and tried a
> > bigger PS.
> > This Intel NUC will use anything from 9 to 19 volts for power.
> > I was using an old Braille & Speak 12 volt PS, and I replaced it with a
> > laptop PS.
> > Glenn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 11:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > I'm glad you had an external sound card to use and I'm glad I offered you
> > that suggestion.
> > If you're not using the latest version of Ubuntu frimware is likely to be
> > old on that version and may not include firmware for your internal sound
> > chip.  If you're using the latest version of ubuntu and this computer
> > talked in the past with the internal sound chip, then you have a real
> > mystery on your hands.  Unless you had electrical damage inside that
> > computer and that internal sound chip got fried.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jude,
> > > Here's an update.
> > > After stumbling around with alsamixer, it finally booted into the GUI
> > > and
> > > Orca talks.
> > > This is, however, through the USB external card.
> > > So on the desktop, I looked at system preferences, hardware, and sound,
> > > it
> > > only showed the USB soundcard, as a choice of devices.
> > > So although alsamixer sees it in the CLI, the GUI does not even see it.
> > > So until I find a way to have the desktop see the internal sound chip,
> > > I'm
> > > stuck with the external soundcard.
> > > Glenn
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > > 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried orca --replace lately?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

If you can get local to that machine and not use ssh to connect you may
want to check the internal sound chip and if it has failed, you may need a
new motherboard.  The hard drives here can't  verify downloaded files any
longer so it's likely this computer also needs a new motherboard.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> It was working, and decided to stop talking.
> I also tried your idea about the power maybe not being enough, and tried a
> bigger PS.
> This Intel NUC will use anything from 9 to 19 volts for power.
> I was using an old Braille & Speak 12 volt PS, and I replaced it with a
> laptop PS.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> I'm glad you had an external sound card to use and I'm glad I offered you
> that suggestion.
> If you're not using the latest version of Ubuntu frimware is likely to be
> old on that version and may not include firmware for your internal sound
> chip.  If you're using the latest version of ubuntu and this computer
> talked in the past with the internal sound chip, then you have a real
> mystery on your hands.  Unless you had electrical damage inside that
> computer and that internal sound chip got fried.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Hi Jude,
> > Here's an update.
> > After stumbling around with alsamixer, it finally booted into the GUI and
> > Orca talks.
> > This is, however, through the USB external card.
> > So on the desktop, I looked at system preferences, hardware, and sound, it
> > only showed the USB soundcard, as a choice of devices.
> > So although alsamixer sees it in the CLI, the GUI does not even see it.
> > So until I find a way to have the desktop see the internal sound chip, I'm
> > stuck with the external soundcard.
> > Glenn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > Have you tried orca --replace lately?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm glad you had an external sound card to use and I'm glad I offered you
that suggestion.
If you're not using the latest version of Ubuntu frimware is likely to be
old on that version and may not include firmware for your internal sound
chip.  If you're using the latest version of ubuntu and this computer
talked in the past with the internal sound chip, then you have a real
mystery on your hands.  Unless you had electrical damage inside that
computer and that internal sound chip got fried.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi Jude,
> Here's an update.
> After stumbling around with alsamixer, it finally booted into the GUI and
> Orca talks.
> This is, however, through the USB external card.
> So on the desktop, I looked at system preferences, hardware, and sound, it
> only showed the USB soundcard, as a choice of devices.
> So although alsamixer sees it in the CLI, the GUI does not even see it.
> So until I find a way to have the desktop see the internal sound chip, I'm
> stuck with the external soundcard.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> Have you tried orca --replace lately?
>
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried orca --replace lately?


-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and amo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> There are two choices when I press F6, the Intel PCI audio and USB1.
> The latter is likely the USB audio card, but I tried both anyway, and the
> audio comes out the external USB soundcard, in the terminal.
> That is with all terminal audio tests.
> But either choice gives me nothing in the GUI with Orca.
>
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> I hate pulseaudio!  The information generated by pactl is very nearly
> useless.
> See if you can run alsamixer hit f6 select USB Audio and hit enter.
> After that a ways down the screen there's going to be lots of m's.  try
> arrowing into that mess and see if you can change those m's to u's then
> take the percentages up.  You may have to use tab to navigate those
> controls I normally avoid alsamixer and prefer amixer since it's simpler.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Hi Jude,
> > I think card 0 is unmuted, but I don't know how to select it as the main
> > source.
> > I tried
> > pacmd set-default-sink card0
> > and it did not recognize card0 or card 0 as a device name.
> > Based on the below, from pacmd list-sinks
> > I get the list, but I don't know what name to use:
> >
> > Thanks:
> > 1 sink(s) available.
> >   * index: 0
> >  name:
> > 
> >  driver: 
> >  flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY
> > DYNAMIC_LATENCY
> >  state: SUSPENDED
> >  suspend cause: IDLE
> >  priority: 9049
> >  volume: front-left: 30419 /  46% / -20.00 dB,   front-right: 30419 /  46%
> > / -20.00 dB
> >  balance 0.00
> >  base volume: 65536 / 100% / 0.00 dB
> >  volume steps: 65537
> >  muted: no
> >  current latency: 0.00 ms
> >  max request: 0 KiB
> >  max rewind: 0 KiB
> >  monitor source: 0
> >  sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
> >  channel map: front-left,front-right
> >   Stereo
> >  used by: 0
> >  linked by: 0
> >  configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 2000.00 ms
> >  card: 0 
> >  module: 7
> >  properties:
> >   alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
> >   device.api = "alsa"
> >   device.class = "sound"
> >   alsa.class = "generic"
> >   alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
> >   alsa.name = "USB Audio"
> >   alsa.id = "USB Audio"
> >   alsa.subdevice = "0"
> >   alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
> >   alsa.device = "0"
> >   alsa.card = "1"
> >   alsa.card_name = "USB Audio Device"
> >   alsa.long_card_name = "C-Media Electronics Inc. USB Audio Device at
> > usb-:00:14.0-1.1, full speed"
> >   alsa.driver_name = "snd_usb_audio"
> >   device.bus_path = "pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:1.1:1.0"
> >   sysfs.path =
> > "/devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/sound/card1"
> >   udev.id = "usb-C-Media_Electronics_Inc._USB_Audio_Device-00"
> >   device.bus = "usb"
> >   device.vendor.id = "0d8c"
> >   device.vendor.name = "C-Media Electronics, Inc."
> >   device.product.id = "0014"
> >   device.product.name = "Audio Adapter (Unitek Y-247A)"
> >   device.serial = "C-Media_Electronics_Inc._USB_Audio_Device"
> >   device.string = "front:1"
> >   device.buffering.buffer_size = "352800"
> >   device.buffering.fragment_size = "176400"
> >   device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
> >   device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
> >   device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
> >   device.description = "Audio Adapter (Unitek Y-247A) Analog Stereo"
> >   alsa.mixer_name = "USB Mixer"
> >   alsa.components = "USB0d8c:0014"
> >   module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
> >   device.icon_name = "audio-card-usb"
> >  ports:
> >   analog-output-speaker: Speakers (priority 1, latency offset 0 usec,
> > available: unknown)
> >properties:
> > device.icon_name = "audio-speakers"
> >  active port: 
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 5:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > Try running pulseaudio in ssh with nothing on the command line, that may
> > start it up.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

I hate pulseaudio!  The information generated by pactl is very nearly
useless.
See if you can run alsamixer hit f6 select USB Audio and hit enter.
After that a ways down the screen there's going to be lots of m's.  try
arrowing into that mess and see if you can change those m's to u's then
take the percentages up.  You may have to use tab to navigate those
controls I normally avoid alsamixer and prefer amixer since it's simpler.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi Jude,
> I think card 0 is unmuted, but I don't know how to select it as the main
> source.
> I tried
> pacmd set-default-sink card0
> and it did not recognize card0 or card 0 as a device name.
> Based on the below, from pacmd list-sinks
> I get the list, but I don't know what name to use:
>
> Thanks:
> 1 sink(s) available.
>   * index: 0
>  name:
> 
>  driver: 
>  flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY
> DYNAMIC_LATENCY
>  state: SUSPENDED
>  suspend cause: IDLE
>  priority: 9049
>  volume: front-left: 30419 /  46% / -20.00 dB,   front-right: 30419 /  46%
> / -20.00 dB
>  balance 0.00
>  base volume: 65536 / 100% / 0.00 dB
>  volume steps: 65537
>  muted: no
>  current latency: 0.00 ms
>  max request: 0 KiB
>  max rewind: 0 KiB
>  monitor source: 0
>  sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
>  channel map: front-left,front-right
>   Stereo
>  used by: 0
>  linked by: 0
>  configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 2000.00 ms
>  card: 0 
>  module: 7
>  properties:
>   alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
>   device.api = "alsa"
>   device.class = "sound"
>   alsa.class = "generic"
>   alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
>   alsa.name = "USB Audio"
>   alsa.id = "USB Audio"
>   alsa.subdevice = "0"
>   alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
>   alsa.device = "0"
>   alsa.card = "1"
>   alsa.card_name = "USB Audio Device"
>   alsa.long_card_name = "C-Media Electronics Inc. USB Audio Device at
> usb-:00:14.0-1.1, full speed"
>   alsa.driver_name = "snd_usb_audio"
>   device.bus_path = "pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:1.1:1.0"
>   sysfs.path =
> "/devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.1/1-1.1:1.0/sound/card1"
>   udev.id = "usb-C-Media_Electronics_Inc._USB_Audio_Device-00"
>   device.bus = "usb"
>   device.vendor.id = "0d8c"
>   device.vendor.name = "C-Media Electronics, Inc."
>   device.product.id = "0014"
>   device.product.name = "Audio Adapter (Unitek Y-247A)"
>   device.serial = "C-Media_Electronics_Inc._USB_Audio_Device"
>   device.string = "front:1"
>   device.buffering.buffer_size = "352800"
>   device.buffering.fragment_size = "176400"
>   device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
>   device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
>   device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
>   device.description = "Audio Adapter (Unitek Y-247A) Analog Stereo"
>   alsa.mixer_name = "USB Mixer"
>   alsa.components = "USB0d8c:0014"
>   module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
>   device.icon_name = "audio-card-usb"
>  ports:
>   analog-output-speaker: Speakers (priority 1, latency offset 0 usec,
> available: unknown)
>properties:
> device.icon_name = "audio-speakers"
>  active port: 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> Try running pulseaudio in ssh with nothing on the command line, that may
> start it up.
>
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Try running pulseaudio in ssh with nothing on the command line, that may
start it up.


-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and amo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi Jude,
> in terminal, I ran
> paplay file.wav
> and it played like with aplay.
> Then, via SSH, I ran
> pulseaudio --status
> and it came back with
> unrecognized option --status
>
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> I've never run into any command like that.  Try running paplay and see if
> you can play a sound file with that command. You may also want to run
> pulseaudio --status and see what's going on with that system.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Is pulseaudio not always running?
> > Here's where I'm at now.
> > I plugged in a USB soundcard, and in the terminal, I can play a wav file
> > with aplay.
> > But no GUI audio.
> > Orca should be running, but there is no sound.
> > speaker-test and aplay do work now in the terminal with the USB soundcard.
> > Is there a command that will list all sound devices and their states with
> > regard to volume and mute status?
> >
> > Thanks
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > Was pulseaudio started before that script got run?  If not, pactl has
> > nothing to control.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me why I get permission problems on the below command?
> > > I found this command on-line while searching for any sort of solution to
> > > get
> > > audio back:
> > > sudo pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle
> > > I made it into a bash script and ran
> > > sudo bash file.sh
> > > Here's a copy of the command and the error:
> > > lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ sudo bash unmutetoggle.sh
> > > graphic 192 Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
> > >
> > > Connection failure: Connection refused
> > > pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
> > > graphic 545 lenny@lenny-desktop:~$
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > > 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> > >
> > >
> > > You wouldn't get the feedback since it's over ssh.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Run alsamixer again then hit f6 and see if you can choose the usb sound
device.  If so do that then escape out of there.
Next run aplay -L -c 1 and see what information you get back.  It'll
likely be a PCM that's usually how usb cards come out and that should have
a number after it.  If it's PCM 1, then try running
amixer -c 1 pcm 100% unmute
If that works, alsactl store then reboot and see if you have sound.


-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and amo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> aplay -l
> says the audio devices now include the USB soundcard.
> It is card1
> How do I get the desktop to use that from the CLI, so I have use of Orca?
> Or, if card0 is muted, how do I unmute it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> I've never run into any command like that.  Try running paplay and see if
> you can play a sound file with that command. You may also want to run
> pulseaudio --status and see what's going on with that system.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Is pulseaudio not always running?
> > Here's where I'm at now.
> > I plugged in a USB soundcard, and in the terminal, I can play a wav file
> > with aplay.
> > But no GUI audio.
> > Orca should be running, but there is no sound.
> > speaker-test and aplay do work now in the terminal with the USB soundcard.
> > Is there a command that will list all sound devices and their states with
> > regard to volume and mute status?
> >
> > Thanks
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > Was pulseaudio started before that script got run?  If not, pactl has
> > nothing to control.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me why I get permission problems on the below command?
> > > I found this command on-line while searching for any sort of solution to
> > > get
> > > audio back:
> > > sudo pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle
> > > I made it into a bash script and ran
> > > sudo bash file.sh
> > > Here's a copy of the command and the error:
> > > lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ sudo bash unmutetoggle.sh
> > > graphic 192 Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
> > >
> > > Connection failure: Connection refused
> > > pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
> > > graphic 545 lenny@lenny-desktop:~$
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > > 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> > >
> > >
> > > You wouldn't get the feedback since it's over ssh.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

I've never run into any command like that.  Try running paplay and see if
you can play a sound file with that command. You may also want to run
pulseaudio --status and see what's going on with that system.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Is pulseaudio not always running?
> Here's where I'm at now.
> I plugged in a USB soundcard, and in the terminal, I can play a wav file
> with aplay.
> But no GUI audio.
> Orca should be running, but there is no sound.
> speaker-test and aplay do work now in the terminal with the USB soundcard.
> Is there a command that will list all sound devices and their states with
> regard to volume and mute status?
>
> Thanks
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> Was pulseaudio started before that script got run?  If not, pactl has
> nothing to control.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me why I get permission problems on the below command?
> > I found this command on-line while searching for any sort of solution to
> > get
> > audio back:
> > sudo pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle
> > I made it into a bash script and ran
> > sudo bash file.sh
> > Here's a copy of the command and the error:
> > lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ sudo bash unmutetoggle.sh
> > graphic 192 Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
> >
> > Connection failure: Connection refused
> > pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
> > graphic 545 lenny@lenny-desktop:~$
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > You wouldn't get the feedback since it's over ssh.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Was pulseaudio started before that script got run?  If not, pactl has
nothing to control.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Can anyone tell me why I get permission problems on the below command?
> I found this command on-line while searching for any sort of solution to get
> audio back:
> sudo pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle
> I made it into a bash script and ran
> sudo bash file.sh
> Here's a copy of the command and the error:
> lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ sudo bash unmutetoggle.sh
> graphic 192 Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
>
> Connection failure: Connection refused
> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
> graphic 545 lenny@lenny-desktop:~$
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> You wouldn't get the feedback since it's over ssh.
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Do you know where pcm earphone is on the machine?  If that's already got
equipment attached setting the volume to maximum on that equipment may get
you some sound.  If you have another speaker set it may be time to switch
out and try it with the other speaker set.  This is why it can pay to have
a few more speaker sets say 2 with 3.5mm plugs and 2 with usb plugs so you
can find if one of the speaker sets is going south.  Another possibility
would be to use vlc if already on the machine and try something like vlc
--volume 3000 /usr/share/sounds/purple/Login.wav.  This would only be to
test if you can hear anything from the speaker set.  That command may not
be completely accurate either I haven't made or had coffee today yet.  I'm
not familiar enough with electronic equipment if there was a way to plug
something into a jack and test voltage going through with normal sound
playing  you'd find either the software was lying or how much more voltage
was actually needed in that jack for reasonable sound to play.  Another
thing to buy is a usb sound card that can be plugged into a usb port and
attach either a head set or speaker set to it and see if you can get sound
working on that usb card.  Sometimes these computers go defective and the
defect hits the sound system directly.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> You wouldn't get the feedback since it's over ssh.
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

You wouldn't get the feedback since it's over ssh.

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and amo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi Jude,
> I did remove asound.state.lock, but there is no card 0 there.
> When running alsamixer, there is no choices that the arrow keys move to
> after pressing F6.
> It does say default PCM headphone, but I hear nothing else.
> Maybe I am not getting the feedback because it is over SSH.
> I've tried arrowing all directions and entering, and escaping, and still no
> sound.
> What are some commands I can do to unmute everything and make sure the
> volume is all the way up?
> This Linux audio issue is disparaging in terms of Linux ever becoming a
> viable OS for the Blind.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> In /var/lock, I have two files which I would probably erase if I were
> trying to get a sound card playing.  Those are card0.lock and
> asound.state.lock.  Then if on a gui system I'd run alsamixer and hit f6
> and choose a card from the list with arrows and enter then hit escape and
> then do speaker-test and see what happened.  If speaker-test worked, I'd
> then do alsactl store then reboot and see if the change held.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Hi Jude,
> > Thanks for the idea, here's what came back:
> > lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ amixer sset pcm 100% unmute graphic 192 amixer:
> > Unable to find simple control 'pcm',0
> >
> > lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ aplay -l
> > graphic 545  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> >
> > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC283 Analog [ALC283 Analog]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC283 Digital [ALC283 Digital]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> > graphic 545   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> >
> > card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 6:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
> >
> >
> > It may be running pcm in that case you might try amixer Set PCM 100%
> > unmute
> > also check /var/lock/alsa for any files ending in .lck and then try to
> > configure and if you get sound alsactl store.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Group,
> > > I have a desktop with Ubuntu 18.something, and I don't want to upgrade
> > > the
> > > dist because a newer Python will break my Chirp program that I use for
> > > programming my radios.
> > > But it boots, and I can SSH into it, but I get no audio.
> > > I test it several ways,
> > > aplay file-name
> > > speaker-test
> > > espeak test
> > > I tried:
> > > amixer sset Master 100% unmute
> > > and
> > > amixer sset Headphone 100% unmute
> > > and no errors, but still no audio.
> > > It boots up to the desktop, and I tried to manually run orca, but it
> > > must
> > > already be running.
> > > This is a 64 bit desktop with 8 GB of RAM.
> > > It has two headphone jacks, and I'm testing both of them, in case the
> > > audio
> > > decided to switch outputs, which it has done before.
> > > Does anyone have any other ideas I can try?
> > > Alsamix is not too screenreader friendly via ssh.
> > > I don't know if I installed something recently that did this, like maybe
> > > a
> > > ham radio program.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Glenn
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

In /var/lock, I have two files which I would probably erase if I were
trying to get a sound card playing.  Those are card0.lock and
asound.state.lock.  Then if on a gui system I'd run alsamixer and hit f6
and choose a card from the list with arrows and enter then hit escape and
then do speaker-test and see what happened.  If speaker-test worked, I'd
then do alsactl store then reboot and see if the change held.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi Jude,
> Thanks for the idea, here's what came back:
> lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ amixer sset pcm 100% unmute graphic 192 amixer:
> Unable to find simple control 'pcm',0
>
> lenny@lenny-desktop:~$ aplay -l
> graphic 545  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
>
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC283 Analog [ALC283 Analog]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC283 Digital [ALC283 Digital]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
> graphic 545   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>
> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble
>
>
> It may be running pcm in that case you might try amixer Set PCM 100%
> unmute
> also check /var/lock/alsa for any files ending in .lck and then try to
> configure and if you get sound alsactl store.
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Hi Group,
> > I have a desktop with Ubuntu 18.something, and I don't want to upgrade the
> > dist because a newer Python will break my Chirp program that I use for
> > programming my radios.
> > But it boots, and I can SSH into it, but I get no audio.
> > I test it several ways,
> > aplay file-name
> > speaker-test
> > espeak test
> > I tried:
> > amixer sset Master 100% unmute
> > and
> > amixer sset Headphone 100% unmute
> > and no errors, but still no audio.
> > It boots up to the desktop, and I tried to manually run orca, but it must
> > already be running.
> > This is a 64 bit desktop with 8 GB of RAM.
> > It has two headphone jacks, and I'm testing both of them, in case the
> > audio
> > decided to switch outputs, which it has done before.
> > Does anyone have any other ideas I can try?
> > Alsamix is not too screenreader friendly via ssh.
> > I don't know if I installed something recently that did this, like maybe a
> > ham radio program.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
>
>

Re: OT, Ubuntu Sound Trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

It may be running pcm in that case you might try amixer Set PCM 100%
unmute
also check /var/lock/alsa for any files ending in .lck and then try to
configure and if you get sound alsactl store.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi Group,
> I have a desktop with Ubuntu 18.something, and I don't want to upgrade the
> dist because a newer Python will break my Chirp program that I use for
> programming my radios.
> But it boots, and I can SSH into it, but I get no audio.
> I test it several ways,
> aplay file-name
> speaker-test
> espeak test
> I tried:
> amixer sset Master 100% unmute
> and
> amixer sset Headphone 100% unmute
> and no errors, but still no audio.
> It boots up to the desktop, and I tried to manually run orca, but it must
> already be running.
> This is a 64 bit desktop with 8 GB of RAM.
> It has two headphone jacks, and I'm testing both of them, in case the audio
> decided to switch outputs, which it has done before.
> Does anyone have any other ideas I can try?
> Alsamix is not too screenreader friendly via ssh.
> I don't know if I installed something recently that did this, like maybe a
> ham radio program.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Re: Playing Card Symbols

[Jude DaShiell]

You know, if all of those symbols were in some font set and had text
labels attached to them that could speak when a screen reader was used a
whole bunch of playing card applications would suddenly become accessible
for screen reader users.

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and amo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:04:53 -0400
> Thomas George  wrote:
>
> > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and
> > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster
> > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering
> > CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this text in a Thunderbird email to a
> > friend he receives only the unicode.
>
> What do you mean by "CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode"? What do you mean by "he
> receives only the unicode"?
>
> Since you are on this list, I assume you are running a recent version
> of Debian and Thunderbird. The playing card symbols are unicode
> characters, the same as A, ;, or {. They just aren't on your
> keyboard. You even have your choice of black ? or white ?. There are
> also characters for individual playing cards: ?.
>
> There are a number of ways to get them. One way is to look
> them up in another program, such as gucharmap (in the package of the
> same name) and copy them to your email, which is what I just did.
>
> Once you send your email, displaying those characters is your
> recipient's problem. If he doesn't have the characters to display,
> chances are his display software will show some place-holder. I
> conjecture that what you mean by "he receives only the unicode" is that
> he sees a placeholder instead of the character.
>
>
>

Re: Installation Errors

[Jude DaShiell]

nmtui I found works better.  It's possible the area of the drive with
/home in it is going bad.  I'm running smartctl -t long over here since
I'm pretty sure that's what's happening here.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This email is being sent to Debian-Accessibility and Debian-Boot separately.
>
> I installed from this file:debian-live-11.6.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso under
> Windows11 using. Win32 Disk Imager following the Debian Instructions, I had
> previously been using Unetbootin.
>
> I was asked to install this because I had failures using the "latest"
> Alpha2 iso.
>
> I still cannot log into the system using my user name and password.
> The system starts the GUI but fails and goes back to the log in screen, but
> only for user, root can run the GUI.
>
> The installer doesn't ask me where to put GRUB, I believe it should as
> I have multiple Linux distros and several hard drives.
>
> One big thing to the Accessibility Community is that the base packages
> - that is just installing the base packages and standard utilities
> without Debian Desktop Environment and any other Desktop Environment
> like MATE, is that either nmcli or nmtui should be installed.  It's
> difficult for many including myself to remember how to get a WiFi
> connection up and running without such a program.
>
> Debian Accessibility mentioned that it was going to put in a request
> that there be a choice to boot into the CLI text mode, many blind
> users love the CLI because it's unambiguous.
>
> The instructions I was given was to do this in /var/log/
>
> tar -cf log.tar.bz2 ./hardware-summary lsb-release partman status syslog
>
> However none of the files except syslog are there, so I just include a
> pastebin link for syslog.
>
> syslog is here: https://pastebin.com/GzYARtRG
>
> What I have to do is log in as root giving the root password.  Then I
> can start X, I can also from the root prompt, enter "su myusername"
> and start X. I also from root prompt entered "passwd myusername" and
> entered my usename password.  I still cannot log in.
>
> Best regards,
> David Ring
>

debian bookworm mate clipboard

[Jude DaShiell]

What is already on the default install or what utility should I download
to run a clipboard in mate with orca?



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Bugs on github are called issues if that's any help.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> There's a blue vna for Android. I'd look for a phone app if you need
> portable.
>
> David
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 00:34 K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
>
> > It was all the same as last night as far as instructions.
> > I spent hours on it last night, and with the same error in Ubuntu, I said
> > screw that package.
> > I know it isn't me, if it made the same error on two different systems.
> > I should report it on the github page, but I don't have an account on
> > github and I don't know where on the page to report it.
> > The program works in windows 10, but the only windows 10 I have is not on
> > a portable computer, and the nanoVNA is best used as a portable device.
> > Glenn
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
> > *To:* K0LNY_Glenn 
> > *Cc:* Jude DaShiell  ;
> > debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 12, 2023 11:28 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: executable trouble
> >
> > Often in the "make" file there are instructions, read them and do what it
> > says.
> >
> > 73
> > DR
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 9:12?PM K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
> >
> >> Well having given up on the hopes of installing nanovna-saver to my
> >> Debian
> >> system, I tried to install it on my Ubuntu system.
> >> I did the git clone thing again, and went into the nanovna-saver
> >> directory,
> >> and ran
> >> sudo make deb
> >> and I got the same error, it couldn't find a setuptools file to use.
> >> Glenn
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> >> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." ;
> >>
> >> 
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 2:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: executable trouble
> >>
> >>
> >> Why not try cat nano-vnasaver | strings | less and find what shows up?
> >> The pipe through strings will only pass strings to less so your screen
> >> doesn't get messed up.  If one of the first lines in that file is
> >> something like #!/usr/bin/env python then this is a python package and
> >> maybe source code too in which case will need compiling.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >> defense of liberty:
> >>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi David,
> >> > I have no idea how to compile something.
> >> > It only unzips to a file called
> >> > nanovna-saver
> >> > Maybe I can run py and nanovna-saver?
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
> >> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> >> > Cc: 
> >> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:22 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: executable trouble
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I looked at GIT HUB https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver and
> >> > I don't find a binary file for Debian, you will have to compile it
> >> > yourself.
> >> >
> >> > Also it looks like it's a python program. There are ways of installing
> >> > python programs that others might be able to tell you about, I don't
> >> > remember how it's done but I've done it in the past.
> >> >
> >> > DR
> >> > N1EA
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:05?PM K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Well I updated the zip file from github, and unzipped it, and did the
> >> > > chmod
> >> > > +x thing, and got three different errors,
> >> > > One said something about gnu not found
> >> > > and another said elf not found, and the third said:
> >> > > syntax error, unterminated string.
> >> > > I tried to direct it to a txt file to send here, but trying the
> >> command
> >> > > and
> >> > > a greater sign or a pipe only gives me a blank txt file.
> >> > >
> >> > > Glenn
> >> > > and
> >> > > - Original Message -
> >> > > From: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> >> > > To: 
> >> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: executable trouble
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi All,
> >> > > I am still trying to get nanovna-saver to work on Debian bullseye.
> >> > > I don't know if this computer is an i386, and maybe this program is 64
> >> > > bit,
> >> > > but it has both for windows, but only one file for Linux.
> >> > > The instructions say to:
> >> > > list of 1 items
> >> > > . If using binaries on Mac or Linux you have to chmod +x nanovna-saver
> >> > > after
> >> > > unzipping as executable flags get lost with zip.
> >> > > list end
> >> > > So I did that, then I ran:
> >> > > sudo updatedb
> >> > > Then I ran sudo /home/lenny/./nanovna-saver
> >> > > and I get the error:
> >> > > -bash  nanovna-saver cannot execute binary file exec format error
> >> > >
> >> > > Does anyone have an idea about the error?
> >> > > Thanks.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Download it correctly using:
git clone https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

You downloaded it wrong.  That github url Dave shared with us needs to be
cloned.  I cloned it on this machine and have the whole directory here.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> It tells me it is not a directory, that is why I then tried running the
> file.
> Glenn
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." ;
> 
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: executable trouble
>
>
> You want to git clone that package then get into the nano-vnaclone
> directory it's an actual directory.  read requirements.txt and install
> what you can in that file.  Then try make deb in that directory to make a
> debian package.  I have no idea if this will work so make deb 2>&1 |tee
> make.log may be a better choice.
>
>
>
> Jude 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Why not try cat nano-vnasaver | strings | less and find what shows up?
> > The pipe through strings will only pass strings to less so your screen
> > doesn't get messed up.  If one of the first lines in that file is
> > something like #!/usr/bin/env python then this is a python package and
> > maybe source code too in which case will need compiling.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Hi David,
> > > I have no idea how to compile something.
> > > It only unzips to a file called
> > > nanovna-saver
> > > Maybe I can run py and nanovna-saver?
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> > > Cc: 
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: executable trouble
> > >
> > >
> > > I looked at GIT HUB https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver and
> > > I don't find a binary file for Debian, you will have to compile it
> > > yourself.
> > >
> > > Also it looks like it's a python program. There are ways of installing
> > > python programs that others might be able to tell you about, I don't
> > > remember how it's done but I've done it in the past.
> > >
> > > DR
> > > N1EA
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:05?PM K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well I updated the zip file from github, and unzipped it, and did the
> > > > chmod
> > > > +x thing, and got three different errors,
> > > > One said something about gnu not found
> > > > and another said elf not found, and the third said:
> > > > syntax error, unterminated string.
> > > > I tried to direct it to a txt file to send here, but trying the
> > > > command
> > > > and
> > > > a greater sign or a pipe only gives me a blank txt file.
> > > >
> > > > Glenn
> > > > and
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:13 PM
> > > > Subject: executable trouble
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I am still trying to get nanovna-saver to work on Debian bullseye.
> > > > I don't know if this computer is an i386, and maybe this program is 64
> > > > bit,
> > > > but it has both for windows, but only one file for Linux.
> > > > The instructions say to:
> > > > list of 1 items
> > > > . If using binaries on Mac or Linux you have to chmod +x nanovna-saver
> > > > after
> > > > unzipping as executable flags get lost with zip.
> > > > list end
> > > > So I did that, then I ran:
> > > > sudo updatedb
> > > > Then I ran sudo /home/lenny/./nanovna-saver
> > > > and I get the error:
> > > > -bash  nanovna-saver cannot execute binary file exec format error
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have an idea about the error?
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

You want to git clone that package then get into the nano-vnaclone
directory it's an actual directory.  read requirements.txt and install
what you can in that file.  Then try make deb in that directory to make a
debian package.  I have no idea if this will work so make deb 2>&1 |tee
make.log may be a better choice.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Why not try cat nano-vnasaver | strings | less and find what shows up?
> The pipe through strings will only pass strings to less so your screen
> doesn't get messed up.  If one of the first lines in that file is
> something like #!/usr/bin/env python then this is a python package and
> maybe source code too in which case will need compiling.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> > I have no idea how to compile something.
> > It only unzips to a file called
> > nanovna-saver
> > Maybe I can run py and nanovna-saver?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: executable trouble
> >
> >
> > I looked at GIT HUB https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver and
> > I don't find a binary file for Debian, you will have to compile it
> > yourself.
> >
> > Also it looks like it's a python program. There are ways of installing
> > python programs that others might be able to tell you about, I don't
> > remember how it's done but I've done it in the past.
> >
> > DR
> > N1EA
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:05?PM K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I updated the zip file from github, and unzipped it, and did the
> > > chmod
> > > +x thing, and got three different errors,
> > > One said something about gnu not found
> > > and another said elf not found, and the third said:
> > > syntax error, unterminated string.
> > > I tried to direct it to a txt file to send here, but trying the command
> > > and
> > > a greater sign or a pipe only gives me a blank txt file.
> > >
> > > Glenn
> > > and
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:13 PM
> > > Subject: executable trouble
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I am still trying to get nanovna-saver to work on Debian bullseye.
> > > I don't know if this computer is an i386, and maybe this program is 64
> > > bit,
> > > but it has both for windows, but only one file for Linux.
> > > The instructions say to:
> > > list of 1 items
> > > . If using binaries on Mac or Linux you have to chmod +x nanovna-saver
> > > after
> > > unzipping as executable flags get lost with zip.
> > > list end
> > > So I did that, then I ran:
> > > sudo updatedb
> > > Then I ran sudo /home/lenny/./nanovna-saver
> > > and I get the error:
> > > -bash  nanovna-saver cannot execute binary file exec format error
> > >
> > > Does anyone have an idea about the error?
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Why not try cat nano-vnasaver | strings | less and find what shows up?
The pipe through strings will only pass strings to less so your screen
doesn't get messed up.  If one of the first lines in that file is
something like #!/usr/bin/env python then this is a python package and
maybe source code too in which case will need compiling.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi David,
> I have no idea how to compile something.
> It only unzips to a file called
> nanovna-saver
> Maybe I can run py and nanovna-saver?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: executable trouble
>
>
> I looked at GIT HUB https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver and
> I don't find a binary file for Debian, you will have to compile it
> yourself.
>
> Also it looks like it's a python program. There are ways of installing
> python programs that others might be able to tell you about, I don't
> remember how it's done but I've done it in the past.
>
> DR
> N1EA
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:05?PM K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
> >
> > Well I updated the zip file from github, and unzipped it, and did the
> > chmod
> > +x thing, and got three different errors,
> > One said something about gnu not found
> > and another said elf not found, and the third said:
> > syntax error, unterminated string.
> > I tried to direct it to a txt file to send here, but trying the command
> > and
> > a greater sign or a pipe only gives me a blank txt file.
> >
> > Glenn
> > and
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:13 PM
> > Subject: executable trouble
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I am still trying to get nanovna-saver to work on Debian bullseye.
> > I don't know if this computer is an i386, and maybe this program is 64
> > bit,
> > but it has both for windows, but only one file for Linux.
> > The instructions say to:
> > list of 1 items
> > . If using binaries on Mac or Linux you have to chmod +x nanovna-saver
> > after
> > unzipping as executable flags get lost with zip.
> > list end
> > So I did that, then I ran:
> > sudo updatedb
> > Then I ran sudo /home/lenny/./nanovna-saver
> > and I get the error:
> > -bash  nanovna-saver cannot execute binary file exec format error
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea about the error?
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

What does the package do?



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> I looked at GIT HUB https://github.com/NanoVNA-Saver/nanovna-saver and
> I don't find a binary file for Debian, you will have to compile it
> yourself.
>
> Also it looks like it's a python program. There are ways of installing
> python programs that others might be able to tell you about, I don't
> remember how it's done but I've done it in the past.
>
> DR
> N1EA
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:05?PM K0LNY_Glenn  wrote:
> >
> > Well I updated the zip file from github, and unzipped it, and did the chmod
> > +x thing, and got three different errors,
> > One said something about gnu not found
> > and another said elf not found, and the third said:
> > syntax error, unterminated string.
> > I tried to direct it to a txt file to send here, but trying the command and
> > a greater sign or a pipe only gives me a blank txt file.
> >
> > Glenn
> > and
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:13 PM
> > Subject: executable trouble
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I am still trying to get nanovna-saver to work on Debian bullseye.
> > I don't know if this computer is an i386, and maybe this program is 64 bit,
> > but it has both for windows, but only one file for Linux.
> > The instructions say to:
> > list of 1 items
> > . If using binaries on Mac or Linux you have to chmod +x nanovna-saver after
> > unzipping as executable flags get lost with zip.
> > list end
> > So I did that, then I ran:
> > sudo updatedb
> > Then I ran sudo /home/lenny/./nanovna-saver
> > and I get the error:
> > -bash  nanovna-saver cannot execute binary file exec format error
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea about the error?
> > Thanks.
> >
>
>

Re: executable trouble

[Jude DaShiell]

Try running your command again and use 2>&1 | tee -a errorzip.log where
errorzip.log is the file to check then send with wc -lwc errorzip.log if
the three numbers you get are greater than 0 then the file has contents
that may be useful.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Well I updated the zip file from github, and unzipped it, and did the chmod
> +x thing, and got three different errors,
> One said something about gnu not found
> and another said elf not found, and the third said:
> syntax error, unterminated string.
> I tried to direct it to a txt file to send here, but trying the command and
> a greater sign or a pipe only gives me a blank txt file.
>
> Glenn
> and
> - Original Message -
> From: "K0LNY_Glenn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:13 PM
> Subject: executable trouble
>
>
> Hi All,
> I am still trying to get nanovna-saver to work on Debian bullseye.
> I don't know if this computer is an i386, and maybe this program is 64 bit,
> but it has both for windows, but only one file for Linux.
> The instructions say to:
> list of 1 items
> . If using binaries on Mac or Linux you have to chmod +x nanovna-saver after
> unzipping as executable flags get lost with zip.
> list end
> So I did that, then I ran:
> sudo updatedb
> Then I ran sudo /home/lenny/./nanovna-saver
> and I get the error:
> -bash  nanovna-saver cannot execute binary file exec format error
>
> Does anyone have an idea about the error?
> Thanks.
>
>

Re: Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release

[Jude DaShiell]

send questions to debian-b...@lists.debian.org along with install logs.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> I am installing with a USB stick.
>
> My user password is correct.
>
> I'll send the logs in a separate email from '/var/log/installer'.
>
> After a while the console with the user account becomes unstable and will
> not respond to keyboard input. I am not running the GUI at all. Other
> consoles work fine.
>
> A big help would be to include nmcli or nmtui in the utilities installed
> with the Debian installer.
>
> Who do I speak to about this?
> Also it would be very beneficial if a question be asked during installation
> if the user wishes to log into command line or graphical mode.
>
> During the last two installations I didn't have sound for the screen reader
> while installing from the ISO image. Fortunately I still had enough vision
> to see the screen with a magnifying glass and also run "dpkg-reconfigure
> console-setup" as root and make the letters larger on the screen.
>
> More later.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 03:46 john doe  wrote:
>
> > On 3/8/23 07:11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > > I'll be glad to do that, Samuel.
> > >
> > > Tonight I got a system installed, but again it will not allow me to log
> > in
> >
> > How are you installing it/What step are you doing?
> >
> > > with my user name.
> > >
> > > I have to log in as root then su to my user name. But then I cannot
> > start X
> >
> > Use su to change the PWD ('passwd') of your regular user.
> >
> > > with my user account.
> > >
> > > Please tell me exactly what log files and their locations you will need.
> >
> > If you look in the Debian documentation for the installer you'wll see
> > that the installer logs are located in '/var/log/installer'.
> >
> > This is also in the list archive.
> >
> >
> > > files. I guess I could log into pastebin and put the logs up there. This
> > > list doesn't accept small log attachments does it?
> > >
> >
> > I would send a tarball through the list ('tar -xf 
> > ')
> >
> > > I can certainly understand how difficult it is to do things remotely. I
> > was
> >
> > To me the issue is that Samuel is always repeting himself by having to
> > ask the same things over and over again!
> >
> > --
> > John Doe
> >
> >
>

Re: Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release

[Jude DaShiell]

Logs should be sent to debian-boot list if memory serves and size doesn't
matter on that list either.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023, john doe wrote:

> On 3/8/23 07:11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > I'll be glad to do that, Samuel.
> >
> > Tonight I got a system installed, but again it will not allow me to log in
>
> How are you installing it/What step are you doing?
>
> > with my user name.
> >
> > I have to log in as root then su to my user name. But then I cannot start X
>
> Use su to change the PWD ('passwd') of your regular user.
>
> > with my user account.
> >
> > Please tell me exactly what log files and their locations you will need.
>
> If you look in the Debian documentation for the installer you'wll see
> that the installer logs are located in '/var/log/installer'.
>
> This is also in the list archive.
>
>
> > files. I guess I could log into pastebin and put the logs up there. This
> > list doesn't accept small log attachments does it?
> >
>
> I would send a tarball through the list ('tar -xf 
> ')
>
> > I can certainly understand how difficult it is to do things remotely. I was
>
> To me the issue is that Samuel is always repeting himself by having to
> ask the same things over and over again!
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>
>

Re: no space left on device

[Jude DaShiell]

dpkg.log has all of the packages installed and date stamps for when those
got installed.  kern.log is a log of kernel activity.
The kern.log may have warnings and errors and fatals in it that may be
helpful to know.
That can be searched with grep -i fatal kern.log grep -i error kern.log
and grep -i warn kern.log.
One thing about Linux if you don't already know it is that Linux is a
tough operating system.  If something doesn't work and Linux can bypass it
and still come up running that's what Linux does.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> The first one listed is
> dpkg.log
> The next one is
> kern.log
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> ; 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: no space left on device
>
>
> Next, try this:
> ls -1S /var/log/*.log.
> The first log name you read will be the largest log in that directory and
> the logs get progressively smaller.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Yeah, that tells me 170 M.
> > So I deleting everything would help.
> > Is it safe to do that?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> > ; 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 6:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> >
> >
> > Try du --human *.log in /var/log/ and you'll get a report on space used.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Well there's a lot of log files there, is it okay to just delete them
> > > all?
> > > I don't know to see how much space they are taking up.
> > > Glenn
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> > > ; 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 5:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> > >
> > >
> > > Are logs being rotated timely and correctly?  If not, you likely have
> > > lots
> > > of ancient logs in /var/log/.  How to check and set up good log rotation
> > > I
> > > don't know though.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Samuel and Jeffrey,
> > > > I deleted everything in /tmp with
> > > > sudo rm -R *.*
> > > > and it removed everything except a file or folder called
> > > > pulse-something
> > > > The something was letters and numbers.
> > > > I got rid of that with
> > > > rm -R puls*
> > > > So I rebooted, and I still get the same error.
> > > > I'm wondering about how to migrate everything to an SD card and boot
> > > > to
> > > > that
> > > > instead, I have some 32 GB sd cards around, and this computer can boot
> > > > to
> > > > that instead of the internal 4GB drive.
> > > > Glenn
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Jeffery Mewtamer" 
> > > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 4:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, doing a sudo rm -Rf /tmp/* should be safe.
> > > >
> > > > My system drive is 320 GB, but before I got in the routine of
> > > > regularly clearing out /tmp/ I'd get such errors constantly once /tmp/
> > > > accumulated 2GB of temp files.
> > > >
> > > > Worst I've noticed is that Firefox and/or Orca are a little more prone
> > > > to crashing after I run my clean.sh script, and even then, I can't be
> > > > sure its related to clearing /tmp/ and not something else in the
> > > > script and even then, my tabs almost always restore properly, so
> > > > usually, the most I lose is the minute or so it takes tty1 to drop
> > > > down to the console following a crash and to relaunch my stripped down
> > > > x-server.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: no space left on device

[Jude DaShiell]

No, I would not delete all of those logs.  Some of them may have valuable
information in them you'll need later.
Do man logrotate and read up on the -f option.
Before and after using logrotate run:
df -h /
This way you get information on what logrotate -f saved you in disk space.
It's good to get logrotate configured correctly and make sure it's running
in chron so you don't have a repeating situation at least from log files.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Next, try this:
> ls -1S /var/log/*.log.
> The first log name you read will be the largest log in that directory and
> the logs get progressively smaller.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Yeah, that tells me 170 M.
> > So I deleting everything would help.
> > Is it safe to do that?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> > ; 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 6:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> >
> >
> > Try du --human *.log in /var/log/ and you'll get a report on space used.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Well there's a lot of log files there, is it okay to just delete them all?
> > > I don't know to see how much space they are taking up.
> > > Glenn
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> > > ; 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 5:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> > >
> > >
> > > Are logs being rotated timely and correctly?  If not, you likely have lots
> > > of ancient logs in /var/log/.  How to check and set up good log rotation I
> > > don't know though.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Samuel and Jeffrey,
> > > > I deleted everything in /tmp with
> > > > sudo rm -R *.*
> > > > and it removed everything except a file or folder called pulse-something
> > > > The something was letters and numbers.
> > > > I got rid of that with
> > > > rm -R puls*
> > > > So I rebooted, and I still get the same error.
> > > > I'm wondering about how to migrate everything to an SD card and boot to
> > > > that
> > > > instead, I have some 32 GB sd cards around, and this computer can boot
> > > > to
> > > > that instead of the internal 4GB drive.
> > > > Glenn
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Jeffery Mewtamer" 
> > > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 4:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, doing a sudo rm -Rf /tmp/* should be safe.
> > > >
> > > > My system drive is 320 GB, but before I got in the routine of
> > > > regularly clearing out /tmp/ I'd get such errors constantly once /tmp/
> > > > accumulated 2GB of temp files.
> > > >
> > > > Worst I've noticed is that Firefox and/or Orca are a little more prone
> > > > to crashing after I run my clean.sh script, and even then, I can't be
> > > > sure its related to clearing /tmp/ and not something else in the
> > > > script and even then, my tabs almost always restore properly, so
> > > > usually, the most I lose is the minute or so it takes tty1 to drop
> > > > down to the console following a crash and to relaunch my stripped down
> > > > x-server.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: no space left on device

[Jude DaShiell]

Next, try this:
ls -1S /var/log/*.log.
The first log name you read will be the largest log in that directory and
the logs get progressively smaller.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Yeah, that tells me 170 M.
> So I deleting everything would help.
> Is it safe to do that?
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> ; 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: no space left on device
>
>
> Try du --human *.log in /var/log/ and you'll get a report on space used.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Well there's a lot of log files there, is it okay to just delete them all?
> > I don't know to see how much space they are taking up.
> > Glenn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> > ; 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 5:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> >
> >
> > Are logs being rotated timely and correctly?  If not, you likely have lots
> > of ancient logs in /var/log/.  How to check and set up good log rotation I
> > don't know though.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Samuel and Jeffrey,
> > > I deleted everything in /tmp with
> > > sudo rm -R *.*
> > > and it removed everything except a file or folder called pulse-something
> > > The something was letters and numbers.
> > > I got rid of that with
> > > rm -R puls*
> > > So I rebooted, and I still get the same error.
> > > I'm wondering about how to migrate everything to an SD card and boot to
> > > that
> > > instead, I have some 32 GB sd cards around, and this computer can boot
> > > to
> > > that instead of the internal 4GB drive.
> > > Glenn
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jeffery Mewtamer" 
> > > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > > 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 4:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, doing a sudo rm -Rf /tmp/* should be safe.
> > >
> > > My system drive is 320 GB, but before I got in the routine of
> > > regularly clearing out /tmp/ I'd get such errors constantly once /tmp/
> > > accumulated 2GB of temp files.
> > >
> > > Worst I've noticed is that Firefox and/or Orca are a little more prone
> > > to crashing after I run my clean.sh script, and even then, I can't be
> > > sure its related to clearing /tmp/ and not something else in the
> > > script and even then, my tabs almost always restore properly, so
> > > usually, the most I lose is the minute or so it takes tty1 to drop
> > > down to the console following a crash and to relaunch my stripped down
> > > x-server.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: no space left on device

[Jude DaShiell]

Try du --human *.log in /var/log/ and you'll get a report on space used.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Well there's a lot of log files there, is it okay to just delete them all?
> I don't know to see how much space they are taking up.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ; "Jeffery Mewtamer"
> ; 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: no space left on device
>
>
> Are logs being rotated timely and correctly?  If not, you likely have lots
> of ancient logs in /var/log/.  How to check and set up good log rotation I
> don't know though.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Thanks Samuel and Jeffrey,
> > I deleted everything in /tmp with
> > sudo rm -R *.*
> > and it removed everything except a file or folder called pulse-something
> > The something was letters and numbers.
> > I got rid of that with
> > rm -R puls*
> > So I rebooted, and I still get the same error.
> > I'm wondering about how to migrate everything to an SD card and boot to
> > that
> > instead, I have some 32 GB sd cards around, and this computer can boot to
> > that instead of the internal 4GB drive.
> > Glenn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jeffery Mewtamer" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 4:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> >
> >
> > Yeah, doing a sudo rm -Rf /tmp/* should be safe.
> >
> > My system drive is 320 GB, but before I got in the routine of
> > regularly clearing out /tmp/ I'd get such errors constantly once /tmp/
> > accumulated 2GB of temp files.
> >
> > Worst I've noticed is that Firefox and/or Orca are a little more prone
> > to crashing after I run my clean.sh script, and even then, I can't be
> > sure its related to clearing /tmp/ and not something else in the
> > script and even then, my tabs almost always restore properly, so
> > usually, the most I lose is the minute or so it takes tty1 to drop
> > down to the console following a crash and to relaunch my stripped down
> > x-server.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: no space left on device

[Jude DaShiell]

Another consideration is partition architecture.  Some systems separate
/home and other partitions when installed and this can get into trouble
rather fast.  Putting everything into a single / partition likely will get
users into trouble later and when that happens that's more difficult.  Do
any hidden folders or files exist you didn't create and if so, what's in
them?  Do those hidden folders and files belong on the system?  If you
didn't put them on your system you had outside assistance on that one.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Are logs being rotated timely and correctly?  If not, you likely have lots
> of ancient logs in /var/log/.  How to check and set up good log rotation I
> don't know though.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Thanks Samuel and Jeffrey,
> > I deleted everything in /tmp with
> > sudo rm -R *.*
> > and it removed everything except a file or folder called pulse-something
> > The something was letters and numbers.
> > I got rid of that with
> > rm -R puls*
> > So I rebooted, and I still get the same error.
> > I'm wondering about how to migrate everything to an SD card and boot to that
> > instead, I have some 32 GB sd cards around, and this computer can boot to
> > that instead of the internal 4GB drive.
> > Glenn
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jeffery Mewtamer" 
> > To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 4:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: no space left on device
> >
> >
> > Yeah, doing a sudo rm -Rf /tmp/* should be safe.
> >
> > My system drive is 320 GB, but before I got in the routine of
> > regularly clearing out /tmp/ I'd get such errors constantly once /tmp/
> > accumulated 2GB of temp files.
> >
> > Worst I've noticed is that Firefox and/or Orca are a little more prone
> > to crashing after I run my clean.sh script, and even then, I can't be
> > sure its related to clearing /tmp/ and not something else in the
> > script and even then, my tabs almost always restore properly, so
> > usually, the most I lose is the minute or so it takes tty1 to drop
> > down to the console following a crash and to relaunch my stripped down
> > x-server.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: no space left on device

[Jude DaShiell]

Are logs being rotated timely and correctly?  If not, you likely have lots
of ancient logs in /var/log/.  How to check and set up good log rotation I
don't know though.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Thanks Samuel and Jeffrey,
> I deleted everything in /tmp with
> sudo rm -R *.*
> and it removed everything except a file or folder called pulse-something
> The something was letters and numbers.
> I got rid of that with
> rm -R puls*
> So I rebooted, and I still get the same error.
> I'm wondering about how to migrate everything to an SD card and boot to that
> instead, I have some 32 GB sd cards around, and this computer can boot to
> that instead of the internal 4GB drive.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeffery Mewtamer" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: no space left on device
>
>
> Yeah, doing a sudo rm -Rf /tmp/* should be safe.
>
> My system drive is 320 GB, but before I got in the routine of
> regularly clearing out /tmp/ I'd get such errors constantly once /tmp/
> accumulated 2GB of temp files.
>
> Worst I've noticed is that Firefox and/or Orca are a little more prone
> to crashing after I run my clean.sh script, and even then, I can't be
> sure its related to clearing /tmp/ and not something else in the
> script and even then, my tabs almost always restore properly, so
> usually, the most I lose is the minute or so it takes tty1 to drop
> down to the console following a crash and to relaunch my stripped down
> x-server.
>
>

Re: Debian and Orca installation Question

[Jude DaShiell]

The super key is the windows start key.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022, Jason White wrote:

>
> On 30/10/22 05:03, Egon wrote:
> > I installed the Mate desktop environment.
> > Orca did not start automatically but the console-based speaking software
> > did.
> >
> > How can I install the system to avoid these problems?
> In a properly installed system, pressing Alt-Super-S at the log-in dialogue
> should start Orca.
>
>

Re: sources.list

[Jude DaShiell]

likely nonfree is missing from your sources.list.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: file permissions

[Jude DaShiell]

The exit for you will be to do an operation as root.
chown glen /home/glen/logfile on each of those files.
Then
chmod 644 /home/glen/logfile
That gets the user read/write permission and everyone else only read
permission.  A safety measure perhaps.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The chmod command mostly uses a two-dimensional matrix.  The first column
> is user, the next is group and the third is world.  One number for each of
> those.
> Each of those numbers is built with a 4 for read, a 2 for write and a 1
> for execute.  So you add those numbers and that's how chmod is put
> together and then there's the sticky bit.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm trying to transfer some files from my Debian via teraterm using scp to
> > my windows computer and I get permission denied.
> > These are log files from /var/logs.
> > I copied them as root from there to my home user folder, and there I did
> > chown 777 on the files, but I still get the permission denied.
> > I then tried to sudo su in the teraterm session, and even logged in as root,
> > I still get the permission denied message.
> > So I copied the two files to /home and got the same error.
> > Is there another way to make these files transferable?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
>
>

Re: file permissions

[Jude DaShiell]

The chmod command mostly uses a two-dimensional matrix.  The first column
is user, the next is group and the third is world.  One number for each of
those.
Each of those numbers is built with a 4 for read, a 2 for write and a 1
for execute.  So you add those numbers and that's how chmod is put
together and then there's the sticky bit.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm trying to transfer some files from my Debian via teraterm using scp to
> my windows computer and I get permission denied.
> These are log files from /var/logs.
> I copied them as root from there to my home user folder, and there I did
> chown 777 on the files, but I still get the permission denied.
> I then tried to sudo su in the teraterm session, and even logged in as root,
> I still get the permission denied message.
> So I copied the two files to /home and got the same error.
> Is there another way to make these files transferable?
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Re: file permissions

[Jude DaShiell]

I hope you didn't.  Chown changes the owner of the file.  If your user
account was glen, you could have done chown glen and you'd have to be root
to have done that to the files in your user directory.
The chmod command is what takes a number as a parameter ahead of the file
name.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm trying to transfer some files from my Debian via teraterm using scp to
> my windows computer and I get permission denied.
> These are log files from /var/logs.
> I copied them as root from there to my home user folder, and there I did
> chown 777 on the files, but I still get the permission denied.
> I then tried to sudo su in the teraterm session, and even logged in as root,
> I still get the permission denied message.
> So I copied the two files to /home and got the same error.
> Is there another way to make these files transferable?
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Re: how to format

[Jude DaShiell]

Makes sense, ntfs package needs to be installed on debian system before
that can happen.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Yeah, when I couldn't get it to work, I searched it on-line, and it gave
> examples, and no extensions work, they are all like typing mkfs alone.
> >From what I have read, I should be able to do:
> sudo mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdc1
> And I tried another sort I read on-line:
> sudo mkfs -t ntfs /dev/sdc1
> But nothing worked.
> So I used fdisk to remove the partition, then I made a new one, it didn't
> offer a FS type, so I plugged it into windows to format it NTFS.
> I wish I could have done it in Linux.
> I just bought a new 64 GB thumb drive, and I didn't want a new drive to have
> some malware on it, so I like to wipe the partition and reformat it, in case
> they get infected during manufacturing.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" ;
> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: how to format
>
>
> mkfs isn't a command.  mkfs is a prefix.  If yu want to put an ext4
> partition on a drive you use mkfs.ext4.  You might check for that command
> and check for the other mkfs commands as well.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
>

Re: how to format

[Jude DaShiell]

parted has helped me format drives in the past too.  It should work on
debian too.  In archlinux I did:
lsblk
Then checked id of new drive on system.  If it's sdb
parted -a optimal /dev/sdb
Then I did:
unit mib
Then I did:
print
That shows what if anything is already on the disk.
If the type of disk is good, msdos or gpt you don't need to use the
mklabel command.
If not what you want
mklabel msdos or mklabel gpt.
Then mkpart command and set the type of partition.
mkpart help if memory serves should show you the required parameters.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a 64 GB thumb drive I plugged into my Debian Bullseye, CLI, no GUI.
> In the old days I used parted to format drives, and fdisk does not seem to
> have that feature.
> How does one format a drive in the CLI?
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn
>
>

Re: how to format

[Jude DaShiell]

mkfs isn't a command.  mkfs is a prefix.  If yu want to put an ext4
partition on a drive you use mkfs.ext4.  You might check for that command
and check for the other mkfs commands as well.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: What's Wrong with this Mirror?

[Jude DaShiell]

Earlier problems with official debian multimedia packages were that they
didn't produce any sound when the unofficial packages worked as expected.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi Cindy: Sometime a Debian Multimedia has packages such as mpv which may not
> be in a regular mirror.
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: What's Wrong with this Mirror?

[Jude DaShiell]

Did you download and install the multimedia gpg key, if not that's
probably the cause of this error.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi All: As I run daily updates, I am noticing an error connecting to this
> mirror.
> http://mirror.optus.net/deb-multimedia/dists/unstable/InRelease
> Even just trying it in LYNX just hangs. Can some1 please suggest an adequate
> replacement for my sources list? This is Debian SID. Thanks so much in
> advance.
> Chime
>
>

Re: replace pulseaudio with pipewire

[Jude DaShiell]

No your message was not wrong, I didn't check symbol for symbol in the
name of the package and pipewire-pulse is an automatic install so it is on
my machine now too.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Christian Schoepplein wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 06:37:43AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >Thanks this worked.  Though it's possible either my sources.list is
> >missing an entry or pipewire.pulse got deprecated and removed from the
> >archives.
>
> Sorry, maybe my last message contained a typo. The package is called
> pipewire-pulse... IMHO without this package no sound would be possible, so I
> am sure it is also installed on your system.
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Schoepp
>
>

Re: replace pulseaudio with pipewire

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks this worked.  Though it's possible either my sources.list is
missing an entry or pipewire.pulse got deprecated and removed from the
archives.  I ended up only installing pipewire and wireplumber and
allowing dependencies to install on this end.  It's odd, but apparently
pulseaudio wasn't installed at all on bookworm so maybe sound was run by
alsa directly.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Christian Schoepplein wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 09.10.22 um 16:49 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
> > What should be done to replace pulseaudio with pipewire and have the
> > screen reader come up and talk?
>
> I my case on Debian testing it was enough to remove the pulseaduio package and
> install pipewire, pipewire-pulse and wireplumber. After a reboot sound was
> still there in Mate and also in textbased console.
>
> I know other users who had to select the right soundcard in the audio settings
> of Mate to get sound back, if you also work with a brailledisplay this should
> be possible also without sound.
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Schoepp
>
>
>

replace pulseaudio with pipewire

[Jude DaShiell]

The bookworm alpha I installed put pulseaudio on this system and others on
the debian-users list are having problems with pulseaudio when it gets
updated.
What should be done to replace pulseaudio with pipewire and have the
screen reader come up and talk?  It's possible multimedia will be or
become a separate problem once this is done but I figure to blow each
bridge as I get to it.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

re: killall espeakup

[Jude DaShiell]

speechctl doesn't exist, so sysctl stop espeakup ought to get the job
done.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: espeakup stops speaking version 1:0.90-11

[Jude DaShiell]

Try sysctl stop speechctl
That probably works better.  killall is pre-systemd and likely not
compatible.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Anyone else seeing this? I haven't got any logging to show as of yet, and I'm 
> not sure how to get it as of yet. If anyone could tell me what to adjust to 
> get some logging, as I'm not seeing any now, I'd appreciate it.
>
> For now a killall -9 espeakup gets systemd to respawn it. This is happening 
> quite a bit, every tenish minutes or so. Also, it seems to stop speaking when 
> I do screen review by word.
>
> Speakup is kernel 5.19.0-2-amd64.
>
>
> Thanks,
> --FC
>
>

re: debian academy initiative

[Jude DaShiell]

Is it appropriate or does debian-accessibility already have a debian
academy online training course to educate on a11Y and how that connects to
debian?


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: Cannot Connect To WIFI

[Jude DaShiell]

As root first run man tee and see if tee is on your system.
If it is, as root try:
dhclient -v | tee dhclient.log
You may get a connection or maybe not.
Either way what dhclient tries to do will be in dhclient.log and that
attached to a message will be informative and maybe informative enough for
some on the list to help you.
I'm not as good as I ought to be with network stuff, first year of a
college major starting up is a bad time to major in that study area since
we had no qualified instructors to teach networking and hardware concepts
and the whole class was given credits for those even though none of us got
to study those subjects.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Yes, he wrote:
> Before you go down the road of making modifications to files, execute as
> root
>
> dhclient INTERFACENAME
>
>
> and I replied, no interface name.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "john doe" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2022 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Cannot Connect To WIFI
>
>
> On 9/3/2022 9:21 PM, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
> > In this case I am, if I can get connected, I may try to find a light
> > desktop.
>  >
>
> Did you follow the "Frank Carmickle "'s
> recommendations?
>
>
> Answering to this list is enough, bottom posting is a must, not
> stripping to what you are answering to is best appreciated and more readable
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: text browsers

[Jude DaShiell]

eww is inside emacs.  Something else maybe worthwhile customizing in emacs
is newsticker, it's an rss feed reader.


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well Jude, never heard of "eww" I looked with an apt, nothing doing, but
> aptitude says
> Couldn't find any package matching "eww", but there are 2 packages which
> contain "eww" in their description:
>   metview-data elpa-ace-link
> Thanks in advance
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: text browsers

[Jude DaShiell]

links can be made a little easier with customization and anyone into using
any software package for a large amount of future time may profit from
studying and customizing configuration.
I've used w3m and eww with some success in the past.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well, Glen, like any softare choices, there are pros-and-cons. I find L Y N X
> much easier to work with than the other L I N K S family, but there are
> certain sites where you would need to experiment with that other family.
> Chime
>
>

Re: pinfo replaced info-stnd

[Jude DaShiell]

I managed to install info.  The searches didn't locate it for me and it
was listed as an optional package so maybe my sources.lst file could do
with some improvements.
 On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Jude DaShiell, le lun. 11 juil. 2022 02:08:52 -0400, a ecrit:
> >  I wouldn't even use pinfo if the info-stnd package were still
> > available in debian.
>
> I don't understand: the info package is still available in Debian.
>
> Samuel
>
>

pinfo replaced info-stnd

[Jude DaShiell]

So far as I can tell in debian-bullseye pinfo is unuseable with screen
readers.  You can listen to the beginning of any info file but try to
review the screen or take any action with the cursor after the initial
read and you'll find a blank screen.  Normally in a situation like this
one would write pinfo pinfo to read up on the command itself but with this
behavior it's not possible to do anything with the command itself.  I'm
going to bring up emacs and do c+h-i pinfo and see if I have any better
luck.  I wouldn't even use pinfo if the info-stnd package were still
available in debian.

new computer status

[Jude DaShiell]

First I purged cinnamon.  That took a while but now espeakup works without
plymouth.  Next with sighted assistance from two people I got the boot
order straightened out with usb and dvd included on it before the nvme
real estate.  I found alsa has several problems working with mplayer vlc
mpv and audacious.  It appears audacious may only work with pulseaudio
which also had so many problems on the machine I purged pulseaudio.
Sockets cannot be created when I try having media players stream web
sites.  I'm thinking it may be time to clean the disk and do a correct
installation from the get go rather than discover the rest of alsa's
problems.

Re: new computer and debian-bullseye

[Jude DaShiell]

I didn't install debian, thinkpenguin did that.  As of now it's on nvme
and won't boot from a dvd yet so I can't wipe their mess and install
anything else correctly.  Any more computers from them come without an
operating system so we cut down on mistakes.


On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, john doe wrote:

> On 6/21/2022 10:06 AM, jdash...@panix.com wrote:
> > I got a penguin pro 11 to replace a dead amd system.  Having installed
> > debian before I usually only select standard utilities in package
> > selections.  That option is no longer available.
>
> How did you install Debian?
>
> > I put espeak-ng and
> > espeakup and dependencies on the system and enabled them.  The
>
> This suggest that you did not 'Install Debian with speech'.
>
> > problem I
> > have is cinnamon.  How can I remove cinnamon the debian desktop
> > environment mozilla thunderbird and retain a standard utilities
> > environment?
> >
>
> You can 'purge' any pkgs that you do not need.
>
> Instead of purging, I would suggest reinstalling from scratch.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: Accessible Coconut

[Jude DaShiell]

I installed and had accessible coconut running on a test basis.  That was
several years ago so it could be accessibility improved.  I use orca and
that had no problems working on that earlier version.  The cocofrix site
was the one I used to get info and download the iso.


On Sun, 6 Mar 2022, LibreFaso wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I discovered the existence of the Linux distribution named Accessible Coconut 
> a few days ago, but have trouble finding information about it.There are two 
> websites I am aware of, https://accessible-coconut.blogspot.com/ and 
> http://www.cocofrix.com/, both of which propose to download the ISO on 
> Sourceforge (https://sourceforge.net/projects/accessible-coconut/f ), but 
> both of which bearing very scarce information beyond the download links and a 
> few words about their objective (accessibility).
>
> Anyone tried it or know someone who tried it ?

Re: Debian Accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

In osx 10.4 tiger I was told it was 10 seconds.


On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Again repeating myself. Please people do help me, otherwise I won't be
> able to help you.
>
> Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:
> > > I understand recent installers for both OSX and Windows start talking
> > > automatically if there is a delay when they expect initial input from
> > > the user.
>
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > We *could* propose that to debian-boot indeed, showing that OSX and
> > Windows do that by default.
>
> > How long is this delay?
>
> Samuel
>
>

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

If I agreed with you, both of us would be wrong.


On Sun, 9 Jan 2022, batman wrote:

> high, I am batman, wlcome to gothum city
>
> On 30/12/2021 15:56, Jordan Livesey wrote:
> > I don't have to tell you this but for the last time, slackware isn't easy to
> > use nore is anything based on slackware, which is why it doesn't support
> > secure boot also, that is why debian is better
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:54 PM D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:
> >
> > And I just stated that Slint was amazingly accessible,
> > accessibility also means easy to use. Slint has the features, at
> > least with additional screen readers, already installed, easy to
> > switch on with a well documented script named "speak-with".
> >
> > That's not a war or any reason for a war, it's just a compliment.
> >
> > I love Debian, although I'd like to install the 10.1 from the
> > installation media and have sound while doing so. I understand
> > it's just my hardware not everyone else's. I'm still trying to
> > figure out the cause, but with multiple problems it's difficult,
> > but I can run Debian 10.1 as root, but I don't want to! So I'll
> > uninstall and reinstall Debian 9.
> >
> > There seems to be someone else who is flooding the list with
> > nonsense which should stop.
> >
> > Samuel, I stand by my statement, accessibility is not only ability
> > to be used, but ease of use, but that wasn't and never should be a
> > call for a war, which is what only you have mentioned.
> >
> > There, I said it. I never mentioned a war, I never called for one,
> > I simply said that it's easier to access accessibility features in
> > Slint, especially true for the newcomer. A compliment, not a wish
> > for war.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 06:20 Samuel Thibault 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Didier Spaier, le jeu. 30 d?c. 2021 10:32:24 +0100, a ecrit:
> > > On 30/12/2021 08:10, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > > You also have the same choice on other distributions such
> > as Debian.
> > > >
> > > > Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that.
> > >
> > > Well Samuel, you quoted me out of context, I am not the one
> > who started the war.
> >
> > I didn't quote you, I quoted D.J.J. Ring.
> >
> > Samuel
> >
>

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

acbradio now has a youtube channel available for subscription too.


On Sat, 1 Jan 2022, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:

> Following the link gives me an invalid certificate error in Firefox,
> ignoring the warning brings me to the so long message, but removing
> the s from https brings me to a page that says ACB Radio is now part
> of ACB Media and provides the following address to the new website:
>
> https://www.acbmedia.org/
>
>

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

The android program to download is acb link or by now maybe that's also
gone.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> It now says "so long" - I guess it's all gone.
>
> DR
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point.  It's a radio station and
> > can be listened to on the internet and with android and iphone apps but
> > the current programs play.  The main menu channel is the one for technical
> > information and treasure trove has old-time radio programs.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > Is this acbradio, a podcast, radio program, linux application, or what?
> > >
> > > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from
> > main
> > > menu available for download.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jude DaShiell 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from
> > main
> > > > menu available for download.  One of them has a debian install
> > > > demonstration in it and another one has a slackware demonstration
> > install
> > > > in it.  It will not be easy to find them either but they're some of the
> > > > earlier programs in the archive.  More than that I cannot tell you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, James AUSTIN wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy New Year to you all.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am really enjoying this discussion and also found it fascinating. I
> > > > would like to use the command line more and while I have some
> > experience
> > > > with it much of what is being discussed here goes over my head.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone
> > set
> > > > a system such as the one being discussed up from scratch. Well I can
> > access
> > > > the command line from a GUI I am reliant upon a graphical user
> > interface
> > > > being pre-installed with orca before I can use the command line.
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate that historically Linux was viewed by many as a
> > programmers
> > > > operating system, but in recent years it has become much more
> > user-friendly
> > > > and available to every day computer users.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any pointers to tutorials to set this up from scratch from a
> > blindness
> > > > perspective it would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > >
> > > > > Warmest wishes
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 31 Dec 2021, at 05:16, Jordan Livesey  > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you
> > > > know how to set up speak up,  the keyboard shortcuts for that only
> > require
> > > > you to hold down the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an
> > install I
> > > > always turn the volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume,
> > but
> > > > as a rule of thumb, I generally don?t need to use it as the terminal
> > gets
> > > > all the work I need done, a simple sudo aptitude update and sudo
> > aptitude
> > > > upgrade if needed if I check for updates which I do regularly
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On 31 Dec 2021, at 03:14, Jeffery Mewtamer 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that
> > allow
> > > > > >> for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do
> > have a
> > > > > >> number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to
> > the
> > > > > >> conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text
> > > > > >> editor, save is ctrl+o, not ctrl+s, cut and paste are ctrl+k and
> > > > > >> ctrl+u instead of ctrl+x and ctrl+v, and find is ctrl+w instead of
> > > > > >> ctrl+f)
> > > > > >

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

I have no idea what happened there.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> It now says "so long" - I guess it's all gone.
>
> DR
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:19 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point.  It's a radio station and
> > can be listened to on the internet and with android and iphone apps but
> > the current programs play.  The main menu channel is the one for technical
> > information and treasure trove has old-time radio programs.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > Is this acbradio, a podcast, radio program, linux application, or what?
> > >
> > > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from
> > main
> > > menu available for download.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jude DaShiell 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from
> > main
> > > > menu available for download.  One of them has a debian install
> > > > demonstration in it and another one has a slackware demonstration
> > install
> > > > in it.  It will not be easy to find them either but they're some of the
> > > > earlier programs in the archive.  More than that I cannot tell you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, James AUSTIN wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy New Year to you all.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am really enjoying this discussion and also found it fascinating. I
> > > > would like to use the command line more and while I have some
> > experience
> > > > with it much of what is being discussed here goes over my head.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone
> > set
> > > > a system such as the one being discussed up from scratch. Well I can
> > access
> > > > the command line from a GUI I am reliant upon a graphical user
> > interface
> > > > being pre-installed with orca before I can use the command line.
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate that historically Linux was viewed by many as a
> > programmers
> > > > operating system, but in recent years it has become much more
> > user-friendly
> > > > and available to every day computer users.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any pointers to tutorials to set this up from scratch from a
> > blindness
> > > > perspective it would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > >
> > > > > Warmest wishes
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 31 Dec 2021, at 05:16, Jordan Livesey  > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you
> > > > know how to set up speak up,  the keyboard shortcuts for that only
> > require
> > > > you to hold down the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an
> > install I
> > > > always turn the volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume,
> > but
> > > > as a rule of thumb, I generally don?t need to use it as the terminal
> > gets
> > > > all the work I need done, a simple sudo aptitude update and sudo
> > aptitude
> > > > upgrade if needed if I check for updates which I do regularly
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On 31 Dec 2021, at 03:14, Jeffery Mewtamer 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that
> > allow
> > > > > >> for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do
> > have a
> > > > > >> number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to
> > the
> > > > > >> conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text
> > > > > >> editor, save is ctrl+o, not ctrl+s, cut and paste are ctrl+k and
> > > > > >> ctrl+u instead of ctrl+x and ctrl+v, and find is ctrl+w instead of
> > > > > >> ctrl+f)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

https://www.acbradio.org/ is the starting point.  It's a radio station and
can be listened to on the internet and with android and iphone apps but
the current programs play.  The main menu channel is the one for technical
information and treasure trove has old-time radio programs.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Is this acbradio, a podcast, radio program, linux application, or what?
>
> acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main
> menu available for download.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main
> > menu available for download.  One of them has a debian install
> > demonstration in it and another one has a slackware demonstration install
> > in it.  It will not be easy to find them either but they're some of the
> > earlier programs in the archive.  More than that I cannot tell you.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, James AUSTIN wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone
> > >
> > > Happy New Year to you all.
> > >
> > > I am really enjoying this discussion and also found it fascinating. I
> > would like to use the command line more and while I have some experience
> > with it much of what is being discussed here goes over my head.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone set
> > a system such as the one being discussed up from scratch. Well I can access
> > the command line from a GUI I am reliant upon a graphical user interface
> > being pre-installed with orca before I can use the command line.
> > >
> > > I appreciate that historically Linux was viewed by many as a programmers
> > operating system, but in recent years it has become much more user-friendly
> > and available to every day computer users.
> > >
> > > Any pointers to tutorials to set this up from scratch from a blindness
> > perspective it would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Warmest wishes
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 31 Dec 2021, at 05:16, Jordan Livesey 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you
> > know how to set up speak up,  the keyboard shortcuts for that only require
> > you to hold down the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an install I
> > always turn the volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume, but
> > as a rule of thumb, I generally don?t need to use it as the terminal gets
> > all the work I need done, a simple sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude
> > upgrade if needed if I check for updates which I do regularly
> > > >
> > > >> On 31 Dec 2021, at 03:14, Jeffery Mewtamer 
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that allow
> > > >> for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do have a
> > > >> number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to the
> > > >> conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text
> > > >> editor, save is ctrl+o, not ctrl+s, cut and paste are ctrl+k and
> > > >> ctrl+u instead of ctrl+x and ctrl+v, and find is ctrl+w instead of
> > > >> ctrl+f)
> > > >>
> > > >> Most such text-only GUIs are built on ncurses, and there are packages
> > > >> like dialog that allow shell scripts to  to display dialog boxes and
> > > >> scrollable menus.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also think it worth noting that, on most distros, there isn't just
> > > >> one console, but several and that you can easily switch between them
> > > >> with just a couple of key presses.
> > > >>
> > > >> As a general rule, each console is reference by the abbreviation tty
> > > >> followed by a number and if you're in one console, you switch to a
> > > >> different one by pressing alt+ the function key corresponding to the
> > > >> number of the console you want. The number varies from distro to
> > > >> distro, but 12 is common, one for each function key on a standard
> > > >> keyboard, though I understand setups with 24 and a distinction made
> > > >> between left alt and right alt when switching aren't uncommon. If
> > > >> you're running an Xserver, it take

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

It's a series of podcasts that can be downloaded.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Is this acbradio, a podcast, radio program, linux application, or what?
>
> acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main
> menu available for download.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main
> > menu available for download.  One of them has a debian install
> > demonstration in it and another one has a slackware demonstration install
> > in it.  It will not be easy to find them either but they're some of the
> > earlier programs in the archive.  More than that I cannot tell you.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, James AUSTIN wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone
> > >
> > > Happy New Year to you all.
> > >
> > > I am really enjoying this discussion and also found it fascinating. I
> > would like to use the command line more and while I have some experience
> > with it much of what is being discussed here goes over my head.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone set
> > a system such as the one being discussed up from scratch. Well I can access
> > the command line from a GUI I am reliant upon a graphical user interface
> > being pre-installed with orca before I can use the command line.
> > >
> > > I appreciate that historically Linux was viewed by many as a programmers
> > operating system, but in recent years it has become much more user-friendly
> > and available to every day computer users.
> > >
> > > Any pointers to tutorials to set this up from scratch from a blindness
> > perspective it would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Warmest wishes
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 31 Dec 2021, at 05:16, Jordan Livesey 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you
> > know how to set up speak up,  the keyboard shortcuts for that only require
> > you to hold down the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an install I
> > always turn the volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume, but
> > as a rule of thumb, I generally don?t need to use it as the terminal gets
> > all the work I need done, a simple sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude
> > upgrade if needed if I check for updates which I do regularly
> > > >
> > > >> On 31 Dec 2021, at 03:14, Jeffery Mewtamer 
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that allow
> > > >> for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do have a
> > > >> number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to the
> > > >> conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text
> > > >> editor, save is ctrl+o, not ctrl+s, cut and paste are ctrl+k and
> > > >> ctrl+u instead of ctrl+x and ctrl+v, and find is ctrl+w instead of
> > > >> ctrl+f)
> > > >>
> > > >> Most such text-only GUIs are built on ncurses, and there are packages
> > > >> like dialog that allow shell scripts to  to display dialog boxes and
> > > >> scrollable menus.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also think it worth noting that, on most distros, there isn't just
> > > >> one console, but several and that you can easily switch between them
> > > >> with just a couple of key presses.
> > > >>
> > > >> As a general rule, each console is reference by the abbreviation tty
> > > >> followed by a number and if you're in one console, you switch to a
> > > >> different one by pressing alt+ the function key corresponding to the
> > > >> number of the console you want. The number varies from distro to
> > > >> distro, but 12 is common, one for each function key on a standard
> > > >> keyboard, though I understand setups with 24 and a distinction made
> > > >> between left alt and right alt when switching aren't uncommon. If
> > > >> you're running an Xserver, it takes up one of the consoles, and if
> > > >> you're in the GUI, you typically need to do trl+alt+fn to break out of
> > > >> the GUI and into the text consoles. If you start x manually, the
> > > >

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

Sometimes report-bug will find the right list for you and running
report-bug will get the report in in the correct format.  Only thing is,
you need to already have an smtp transport package working first since
report-bug will use that to send your report.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> I agree, one of the difficulties with reporting bugs and suggestions for a
> non-technical person with Debian is finding the list that handles the
> problems.  Ubuntu has a system "Bug Squad"  that, like a hospital emergency
> room, let's people search for a similar bug, if one is found, allow the
> person to say "me too" or if none is found to submit a new bug. The bug is
> then - just like a good hospital emergency room - assigned to the correct
> team by volunteers who in Debian terms "know the correct list".  It's an
> excellent program, but I still like Debian better despite its flaws.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 12:51 PM Samuel Thibault 
> wrote:
>
> > Samuel Thibault, le ven. 31 d?c. 2021 18:50:07 +0100, a ecrit:
> > > D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le ven. 31 d?c. 2021 12:40:39 -0500, a ecrit:
> > > > I thought your reluctance to go there was related to poor treatment
> > > > instead of what it most likely is, "too darned many things to
> > > > accomplish".
> > >
> > > No it's really that I cannot do everything in debian-accessibility
> > > longterm-wise. The question at stake is not so technical, thus many
> > > people can discuss/work on it, it doesn't have to be me, so I can spend
> > > my time on more technical concerns.
> >
> > Of course I can help in the discussion such as suggesting ideas of
> > compromises. But explaining the situation etc. takes time to write by
> > mail, and it doesn't have to be me taking that time.
> >
> > Samuel
> >
> >
>

Re: Tutorial wasRe: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

acbradio has a main menu program and a large archive of programs from main
menu available for download.  One of them has a debian install
demonstration in it and another one has a slackware demonstration install
in it.  It will not be easy to find them either but they're some of the
earlier programs in the archive.  More than that I cannot tell you.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, James AUSTIN wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Happy New Year to you all.
>
> I am really enjoying this discussion and also found it fascinating. I would 
> like to use the command line more and while I have some experience with it 
> much of what is being discussed here goes over my head.
>
> I am wondering if there are any tutorials available to help someone set a 
> system such as the one being discussed up from scratch. Well I can access the 
> command line from a GUI I am reliant upon a graphical user interface being 
> pre-installed with orca before I can use the command line.
>
> I appreciate that historically Linux was viewed by many as a programmers 
> operating system, but in recent years it has become much more user-friendly 
> and available to every day computer users.
>
> Any pointers to tutorials to set this up from scratch from a blindness 
> perspective it would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you
>
> Warmest wishes
>
> James
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 31 Dec 2021, at 05:16, Jordan Livesey  wrote:
> >
> > That is why when you are just starting out on the console, and you know 
> > how to set up speak up,  the keyboard shortcuts for that only require you 
> > to hold down the caps lock key by default, when ever I do an install I 
> > always turn the volume up with caps lock and 2 to turn up the volume, but 
> > as a rule of thumb, I generally don?t need to use it as the terminal gets 
> > all the work I need done, a simple sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude 
> > upgrade if needed if I check for updates which I do regularly
> >
> >> On 31 Dec 2021, at 03:14, Jeffery Mewtamer  wrote:
> >>
> >> Even with console applications, there are various toolkits that allow
> >> for the creation of pseudo-GUIs and many such applications do have a
> >> number of keyboard commands, though they don't always adhere to the
> >> conventions shared by most GUI applications(e.g. in the Nano text
> >> editor, save is ctrl+o, not ctrl+s, cut and paste are ctrl+k and
> >> ctrl+u instead of ctrl+x and ctrl+v, and find is ctrl+w instead of
> >> ctrl+f)
> >>
> >> Most such text-only GUIs are built on ncurses, and there are packages
> >> like dialog that allow shell scripts to  to display dialog boxes and
> >> scrollable menus.
> >>
> >> I also think it worth noting that, on most distros, there isn't just
> >> one console, but several and that you can easily switch between them
> >> with just a couple of key presses.
> >>
> >> As a general rule, each console is reference by the abbreviation tty
> >> followed by a number and if you're in one console, you switch to a
> >> different one by pressing alt+ the function key corresponding to the
> >> number of the console you want. The number varies from distro to
> >> distro, but 12 is common, one for each function key on a standard
> >> keyboard, though I understand setups with 24 and a distinction made
> >> between left alt and right alt when switching aren't uncommon. If
> >> you're running an Xserver, it takes up one of the consoles, and if
> >> you're in the GUI, you typically need to do trl+alt+fn to break out of
> >> the GUI and into the text consoles. If you start x manually, the
> >> xserver will be on whichever console you were on when you invoked
> >> startx, but if your system boots into the desktop automatically, which
> >> console is used for the GUI varies from distro to distro, though I
> >> believe tty1 and tty6 or tty7 are the most common.
> >>
> >> I usually have a stripped down Xserver running Firefox+Orca on tty1
> >> and use tty2+ for everything else... at the moment, I have:
> >>
> >> Firefox+Orca running on tty1
> >> aumix(a audio mixer) opened in tty2
> >> A text file open in nano on tty3
> >> tty4 at the command prompt in the directory where the text file that's
> >> open in tty3 is located, for easily running wc to get word count of
> >> the file without having to close and reopen my editor or if I need to
> >> pull up a different file to reference something.
> >> tty5 is open to the directory where Firefox dumps all of my downloads.
> >>
> >> and from Firefox, I just use ctrl+alt+F2-F5 to jump to aumix, the open
> >> text file, the directory where the file is saved, or my downloads
> >> directory, and can switch between any of those text consoles with just
> >> alt+a function key.
> >>
> >> And while I haven't use them, there are utilities like screen and some
> >> others to facilitate multi-tasking in a single console.
> >>
> >> And if things are properly configured, switching between the console
> >> running X and one of the text consoles should seamlessly switch
> >> 

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

gnome, the 800 pound gorilla of desktop systems.  Pandemic memory prices
have gone up and lighter memory systemsmay not be able to take a visit
from our gorilla.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote:

> On 12/31/2021 4:12 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > The network-manager package should be installed by default to ANY
> > installation of Debian perhaps even along with the basic system prior to
> > software selection - so that using the undocumented "!" software selection
> > (it should be documented right in the installer itself to produce a working
> > command line networking system!
> >
>
> In headless, there is no need to use nmcli to configure the network,
> 'systemd-network' '/etc/network/interfaces' are some possibilities.
>
> The utility is generaly pulled as an dependency.
>
> > But your saying that even with network-manager package installed, it has to
> > be configured to run! Not very accessible. Installation should install the
> > package and at least ask the user if he wants it started, or better yet,
> > start it and have it ready for use with the commands given to disable or
> > stop it.
> >
>
> This is already the case, nmcli is an dependency of Gnnome/ for example.
> For Mate, it makes less sense as you have other means to configure it.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>
>

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

Mouse accessibility stinks no matter on what operating system it exists.
Icons are too small too numerous on a screen and haven't got standard
screen positions either.  If those three problems could be fixed then
mouse accessibility would get workable.
Say putting at most 9 mouse icons on any given screen arranged like a
tic-tac-toe board with standard positioning based on the tic-tac-toe board
where the icons were large enough so a mouse would have to be moved  1.5
inches to go through an icon with 1 inch between icons I think this could
work.  Maybe 11 icons on a screen as maximum but one would be previous and
another would be ok or next and those ought to be well separated from the
menu icons lower on the screen.



On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> John,
>
> You say in Mate we have other methods of configuring it.  I'm talking about
> configuring it in console, even if MATE is installed.
>
> What is that way of configuring, you don't mean starting up MATE which is
> what I wanted to avoid.
>
> It's like starting up a major load on the computer (MATE) just to be able
> to turn the Internet on.
>
> Also if that is the only way, it brings up the difficulty in accessing the
> MATE Network settings using the mouse. I dislike playing "Pin the Mouse
> Tail on the Icon" game.  It's frustrating.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:27 AM john doe  wrote:
>
> > On 12/31/2021 4:12 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > > The network-manager package should be installed by default to ANY
> > > installation of Debian perhaps even along with the basic system prior to
> > > software selection - so that using the undocumented "!" software
> > selection
> > > (it should be documented right in the installer itself to produce a
> > working
> > > command line networking system!
> > >
> >
> > In headless, there is no need to use nmcli to configure the network,
> > 'systemd-network' '/etc/network/interfaces' are some possibilities.
> >
> > The utility is generaly pulled as an dependency.
> >
> > > But your saying that even with network-manager package installed, it has
> > to
> > > be configured to run! Not very accessible. Installation should install
> > the
> > > package and at least ask the user if he wants it started, or better yet,
> > > start it and have it ready for use with the commands given to disable or
> > > stop it.
> > >
> >
> > This is already the case, nmcli is an dependency of Gnnome/ for example.
> > For Mate, it makes less sense as you have other means to configure it.
> >
> > --
> > John Doe
> >
> >
>

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

The screen command will be your friend if you study it and learn to write
a good .screenrc file.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote:

> On 12/31/2021 2:37 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
> >> I have thought about switching to just working in a console, but I worry
> >> about having to memorize a bunch of commands to do things.  in a graphical
> >> program, I can use keyboard commands to get around it mostly. Is this
> >> available in  console programs? Also, how can I have the documentation open
> >> in a web browser, so I can read it while learning the commands in the
> >> console? Thanks,
> >
>
> Yes, shortcuts in a graphical env could be aliases in the console or
> creating a shell function that does what you want.
>
> In the terminal, there is no need to use a browser as all documentation
> is available using the 'man' command.
>
> Going online might be useful if you want to research a specific
> question, have some example ...
>
>
> To me those two envs are not antagonist, the only difference between the
> CLI ('console') and a DE (desktop environment) is that with the CLI you
> can do what ever you want by providing options to a utility.
> In a grafical env, you are able to do what is  made available but in
> general you don't have access to all functionalities that the CLI offers.
>
> The advantage of Linux is that when you are stuck in a DE you always
> have the choise to fall back to the CLI!
>
> A visual environment is sometime easier and more friendly when sited
> help is needed.
>
> What suits you best is what is importent.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

nmcli is in the network-manager package.  Once the package is downloaded,
network-manager has to be started before nmcli and nmtui can be used.


On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, john doe wrote:

> On 12/31/2021 6:51 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > Debian desperately needs a console network manager like Slackware's nmcli
>
> Actually, I have set up a bridge using 'nmcli' on Bullseye.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>
>

Re: Debian Accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

It's a bit more complex than that now.
First press a on the boot prompt then hit enter.
then press s on the continued boot prompt.
then press x on the boot prompt and then hit enter and listen to what
happens.
Likely speech comes up along with a numbered menu which is what the expert
mode presents.
When I get the expert mode set up,
I can set priority to low and save logs to disk and after that I test disk
integrity then proceed with the rest of the installation.
Those who kept up with accessibility documentation changes on debian would
know all of this info.


On Thu, 30 Dec 2021, Jordan Livesey wrote:

> Have you tried pressing the down arrow 5 times when on the boot menu of 
> Debian 11? Some how, pressing s no longer works for some people
>
> > On 30 Dec 2021, at 18:28, D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:
> >
> > If I install with Debian 10 installation media, then change the 
> > /etc/apt/sources.list everything works as it should, my sound card is 
> > correctly detected, and I have screen reader during installation, I have 
> > screen reader when booting into Debian and I can use the MATE Graphical 
> > Environment as my user.  Perfect.
> >
> > I can also upgrade to Debian 11 by changing my /etc/apt/sources.list files.
> >
> > But unfortunately for me the Debian 11.0 and current Debian 11.1 
> > installation media just don't work for me. Every previous version since 
> > Woody in 2002 has worked just fine.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > David
>
>

re: Iggdrasill, a new amazing screen reader

[Jude DaShiell]

So everybody understands, when I write something about a particular Linux
distro not being accessible I have already downloaded and tested that
distro.

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

I have been introduced to many different Linux distributions recently.
clear linux was the most recent and latest version of Manjaro neither
appear to have any screen reader in them.  Most Linux distributions don't
have accessibility stacks built into them.  As for Iggdrasill, it's not
ready for prime time yet.


On Sun, 12 Dec 2021, Jordan Livesey wrote:

> rather than make something new, we should really concentrate on orca
> because its built into most popular distributions except manjaro and open
> suse. because quite frankly a new to linux user would rather use orca than
> fiddle about with a console based screen reader like fenrir, luckily I
> switched to debian because the version of orca it provides is better than
> that provided by ubuntu, by that works properly with mate unlike ubuntu
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 6:15 PM Aaron  wrote:
>
> >
> > On 12/12/21 04:59, Pawel L. wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I think that the blind Linux community would benefit more from
> > > consolidating the knowledge of talented programmers and creating one,
> > > but maximally complete screen reader.
> > >
> > > I am sure that it would be better for all of us to effectively support
> > > the development of ORCA, as is the case with NVDA in Windows, than to
> > > start new projects.
> > >
> > > There are many ideas out there, but usually nothing comes of it.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > > Pawel
> >
> > Just to put in my own two cents as a developer - supporting an existing
> > project and starting an alternative project are not mutually exclusive.
> > One of the great things about open source is that the lessons learned
> > from one project can pretty easily be applied to a different project.
> >
> > There are many reasons why it might work better to start a new project
> > rather than contributing to an existing one. You might want to
> > experiment with concepts that the maintainers of the existing project
> > are not interested in, you might find the existing code base too
> > confusing to start contributing to, you might want to simplify the code
> > base or work in a different language that you are more familiar with.
> >
> > This allows people to experiment, or at least get familiar, with the
> > specific issues surrounding a project. The best aspects of the new
> > project can either be implemented as a patch or pulled into the main
> > project by its maintainers if they see a clear benefit.
> >
> > I'm interested in the comparison to NVDA, though. I don't know the
> > history of the development of that project, or what the main differences
> > in developer acceptance are between NVDA and ORCA. Do you find Windows
> > open source development to be less chaotic than Linux in general, or
> > just in this project specifically? It could make an interesting history.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
>

Re: debian multimedia now works

[Jude DaShiell]

Usually when I install it's the base system and standard utilities.  I
have no printer so cups is no use for now maybe later this year though.
The desktop I put a space on in the installer and that takes the star
away.


On Sat, 25 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> The default settings install "Debian Desktop Environment" which is
> MATE.  I don't know of a way to just install a text only Debian
> system, which would be wonderful to do.
>
> Years ago, the Debian Desktop Environment installed pdmenu and a
> graphical text desktop. Now it installs MATE and in addition there is
> also a selection for adding MATE, I suppose that installs the MATE
> Extras not in the "Debian Desktop Environment" mentioned here.  I've
> installed without ticking off MATE also and had a working MATE
> desktop.
>
> I've had difficulty purging MATE and xorg from the system to make it
> text only but I've broken the system, so now I don't even try, I just
> leave the Xorg  and MATE Desktop installed.
>
> I use is fbi and links2 web browser.  I use them in console.  They use
> framebuffer.
>
> But since I have xorg anyway I'm using MATE which works very well with
> orca screen reader.  You set it up with "orca -s" in MATE terminal.
> It should be loaded and running for you, but to adjust settings run
> that command.
>
> To get login without starting MATE in the Graphical User Interface, as root:
>
> systemctl stop lightdm
> systemctl disable lightdm
>
> That will stop light desktop manager from running it's log in screen
> and you will have the regular text log in screen.
>
> Do your console stuff there, and if you want MATE just type "startx".
>
> I had problems with my /home settings not being compatible with Debian
> 11.2.0 which is the 2021-12-08 release.  It still has problems with my
> soundcard during installation. It doesn't give me screen reader - but
> I continued with the installation and it actually did find my
> soundcard,it just didn't give me screen reader in console.  After
> reboot, I had everything working OK console worked and orca in MATE
> worked.
>
> Not an accessible installation for me, I guess it was for you, did you
> use braille or was speach working for you - which must mean it's just
> my particular sound card, an Intel PCH ALC888.
>
> Best wishes to all,, Merry Christmas if you celebrate that holiday, which I 
> do.
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 2:32 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > The firmware had a date of 2021-12-08 on it.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > What iso did you use?
> > >
> > > I just tried the latest firmware full size regular and live DVD iso files
> > > and neither correctly detects my analog soundcard which I use. But since I
> > > can see, I just continued with the installation, and when I rebooted I had
> > > screen reader in console.
> > >
> > > However the same /home partition I was using for Buster somehow has
> > > configuration files which break Xorg so I had to make a new user.
> > >
> > > Ho, ho, ho!
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 13:16 Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I tried installing deb-multimedia.org and pub keys weren't available at
> > > > least not on debian so then I did apt remove --purge pulseaudio and an 
> > > > apt
> > > > autoremove after that and now multimedia players work correctly.  This 
> > > > was
> > > > a base install, no desktop and pulseaudio was installed for some reason
> > > > I don't know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

Re: debian multimedia now works

[Jude DaShiell]

The firmware had a date of 2021-12-08 on it.


On Sat, 25 Dec 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> What iso did you use?
>
> I just tried the latest firmware full size regular and live DVD iso files
> and neither correctly detects my analog soundcard which I use. But since I
> can see, I just continued with the installation, and when I rebooted I had
> screen reader in console.
>
> However the same /home partition I was using for Buster somehow has
> configuration files which break Xorg so I had to make a new user.
>
> Ho, ho, ho!
>
> David
>
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 13:16 Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > I tried installing deb-multimedia.org and pub keys weren't available at
> > least not on debian so then I did apt remove --purge pulseaudio and an apt
> > autoremove after that and now multimedia players work correctly.  This was
> > a base install, no desktop and pulseaudio was installed for some reason
> > I don't know.
> >
> >
>

debian multimedia now works

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried installing deb-multimedia.org and pub keys weren't available at
least not on debian so then I did apt remove --purge pulseaudio and an apt
autoremove after that and now multimedia players work correctly.  This was
a base install, no desktop and pulseaudio was installed for some reason
I don't know.

debian multimedia packages silent

[Jude DaShiell]

What prevents audacious mpv and vlc from producing any sound on streams
known to work on other distributions?  I have streams saved in scripts and
running those scripts on debian produces only silence.

Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

[Jude DaShiell]

So long as a dog will hunt, stay with that dog.  When the dog can't hunt
any longer for whatever reason, it's time to find a new dog.


On Sun, 12 Dec 2021, john doe wrote:

> On 12/12/2021 10:59 AM, Pawel L. wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I think that the blind Linux community would benefit more from
> > consolidating the knowledge of talented programmers and creating one,
> > but maximally complete screen reader.
> >
>
> I concur.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>
>

Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 18:51:47
From: Linux for blind general discussion 
To: blinux-l...@redhat.com
Subject: Skipping disk erase on Debian text-based installation

Hi all,


I wonder if we can avoid disk erase process during debian text-based
installation?

This process can take hours and it can be skipped on GUI based installation.
Unfortunately it is not accessible :)


Regards

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[slint] Re: After Upgrade 14 September 2021 Cannot Login to Mate (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

Could the same thing have happened in debian?


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 05:46:50
From: Didier Spaier 
Reply-To: sl...@freelists.org
To: sl...@freelists.org
Subject: [slint] Re: After Upgrade 14 September 2021 Cannot Login to Mate

Hello David,

thanks for your bug report!

The issue is that new mate-session-manager installs a file named:
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.mate-session
whereas in previous versions it was named:
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.mate

This confuse session-chooser as it looks for the latter, not the former.

As a workaround, please type this as root:
cd /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
ln -s xinitrc.mate-session xinitrc.mate

Then as regular user type:
session-chooser mate
startx

I will provide a new package mate-session-manager making this symbolic link as
a post-installation task later today.

Cheers,
Didier

Le 15/09/2021 ? 01:26, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. a ?crit :
> Hello List,
>
> After update on 14 September 2021, I can no longer log into MATE.
>
> I updated and upgraded after seeing Didier's message today 15 September 2021.
>
> I still cannot log into Mate, only the other Desktop Environments.
>
> I can use the other Desktop Environments (DE) by using "session-chooser" all
> of them work but an odd thing happens.
>
> After successfully starting another DE, if I try to start mate with
> session-chooser, I cannot open mate, but I open the last DE that I used.
>
> I used several DE and this repeats itself, if I use lxde, when I try to use
> "session-chooser mate", mate won't run, but lxde will, same thing with
> kde-plasma and the other DE that are in SLINT.
>
> Just in case the Xorg log will help, I attach it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
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Re: CORRECTED - Bullseye No Speech In Consoles 2-6 and Unable to Login as User

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you got espeak-ng running and speech-dispatcher running espeak-ng and
not espeak?  In that case, I'd also have speech-dispatcher brought up when
the system starts too.
lastlog holds results of commands after boot up has happened and it's
collecting stuff after startx is run.  I don't know where
speech-dispatcher and espeak-ng log results by default it could be in
lastlog or in speech-dispatcher.log and espeak-ng.log files.

 On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> spd-say "Hello Jude" works fine but I have no speech in console, orca works
> fine.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 6:32 AM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > Nothing in those logs that would point at the kind of trouble you have
> > been having.  I checked for fatal and error and warning and found some
> > un-related errors in dmesg.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > The logs are here, is there something more that I should do?
> > >
> > > I don't know what they mean.
> > >
> > > Since the list cannot have attachments, I uploaded them to pastebin.com.
> > > Click and you will see dmesg and the last two Xorg files.
> > >
> > > dmesg.log https://pastebin.com/raw/mEF8d1HV
> > > Xorg.0.log https://pastebin.com/raw/xFWfuYtp
> > > Xorg.0.log.old https://pastebin.com/raw/JHgV5VQQ
> > >
> > > Problem is logging into Desktop Environment, I've changed from LightDM to
> > > sddm and I still cannot log into Mate as username only as root.
> > >
> > > I've changed Desktop Environments, KDE and LXDE and the problem still
> > > exists. Logging in as root works.
> > >
> > > I think I remember if I select one of any two Desktop Environments,
> > instead
> > > of "Default" that I can log in, but I'm so confused by all the problems
> > > that I cannot remember that detail, I'm mostly sure it's true, defect
> > > "MATE" and I can log in, but selecting "Default" results in failure.
> > >
> > > Console speech is only available in the console that tries to log into
> > Xorg
> > > with the Display Manager, other consoles are mute, for some reason
> > > something is killing speech-dispatcher.
> > >
> > > I have no idea to whom to report this.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:38 AM john doe  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 9/8/2021 12:54 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > > > > Does anyone have any idea how I can find what is preventing users
> > from
> > > > > loging into MATE (or other Desktop Environment) when Default is
> > selected?
> > > > > or the problem with espeak-ng not speaking in other consoles because
> > > > > something is killing speech-dispatcher?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Digging in the logs might reveale some clues.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > John Doe
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: CORRECTED - Bullseye No Speech In Consoles 2-6 and Unable to Login as User

[Jude DaShiell]

Nothing in those logs that would point at the kind of trouble you have
been having.  I checked for fatal and error and warning and found some
un-related errors in dmesg.


On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> The logs are here, is there something more that I should do?
>
> I don't know what they mean.
>
> Since the list cannot have attachments, I uploaded them to pastebin.com.
> Click and you will see dmesg and the last two Xorg files.
>
> dmesg.log https://pastebin.com/raw/mEF8d1HV
> Xorg.0.log https://pastebin.com/raw/xFWfuYtp
> Xorg.0.log.old https://pastebin.com/raw/JHgV5VQQ
>
> Problem is logging into Desktop Environment, I've changed from LightDM to
> sddm and I still cannot log into Mate as username only as root.
>
> I've changed Desktop Environments, KDE and LXDE and the problem still
> exists. Logging in as root works.
>
> I think I remember if I select one of any two Desktop Environments, instead
> of "Default" that I can log in, but I'm so confused by all the problems
> that I cannot remember that detail, I'm mostly sure it's true, defect
> "MATE" and I can log in, but selecting "Default" results in failure.
>
> Console speech is only available in the console that tries to log into Xorg
> with the Display Manager, other consoles are mute, for some reason
> something is killing speech-dispatcher.
>
> I have no idea to whom to report this.
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:38 AM john doe  wrote:
>
> > On 9/8/2021 12:54 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > > Does anyone have any idea how I can find what is preventing users from
> > > loging into MATE (or other Desktop Environment) when Default is selected?
> > > or the problem with espeak-ng not speaking in other consoles because
> > > something is killing speech-dispatcher?
> > >
> >
> > Digging in the logs might reveale some clues.
> >
> > --
> > John Doe
> >
> >
>

Re: CORRECTED - Bullseye No Speech In Consoles 2-6 and Unable to Login as User

[Jude DaShiell]

A real good spade is likely to be called grep.  Fatal and Error and
Warning and whatever additional text is in those entries may be
informative.  The lastlog file and running dmesg and saving output to a
file and checking that output for boot messages might help.


On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, john doe wrote:

> On 9/8/2021 12:54 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > Does anyone have any idea how I can find what is preventing users from
> > loging into MATE (or other Desktop Environment) when Default is selected?
> > or the problem with espeak-ng not speaking in other consoles because
> > something is killing speech-dispatcher?
> >
>
> Digging in the logs might reveale some clues.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>
>

Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

[Jude DaShiell]

What happens if desktop isn't installed but mate is installed?  Does mate
come up as the default once that's done?
I haven't tried that yet but could check it out.


On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

> On 8/21/21, D.J.J. Ring, Jr.  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've had a while to try to get debian 11.0.0 installed and I wanted to
> > give a status report.
> >
> > First the most important part, I found a work around.
> >
> > If you select "MATE" instead of "Default" in the upper right corner,
> > you can log in with your username.
>
> < snipped >
>
> > Everything works well until booting into the system, the system goes
> > into an infinite loop when putting the user password in.
> >
> > Here's the work around, select "Mate" instead of "Default" in the
> > upper right of the log in screen, and it will work.
>
>
> I've been in that login loop myself a few times. In my case, it seems
> like it's always something about permissions. It seems like I've been
> able to fix it by logging in as root then deleting my user's
> .Xauthority file (one of those "dot" files under our users' home
> directories). In my case, it gets corrupted or something.
>
> In your case, I don't know if that would help or not. That's odd that
> selecting the Mate option instead of Default fixes it for you,
> especially if Mate *is* your default. If removing/renaming .Xauthority
> did work, maybe Default is corrupting that file for some reason.
>
> Which leads me to say that I do rename that .Xauthority file instead
> of deleting it. My usual go-to favorite is to attach the date that it
> was having problems.
>
> As an aside of how I ever came to poke at .Xauthority: When I first
> had problems with it, I would sort the user's home directory by date
> with newest on top.
>
> That .Xauthority file would show up early on top. I also knew that the
> .Xauthority file was created on the fly the first time I would log in
> to a new debootstrap'ed copy of Debian because my new users only had
> three dot files and that was not one of them.
>
> That made it feel safe to push the old .Xauthority out of the way to
> let the system create another new file on the fly. And it did just
> happen to work a few times before I stopped breaking that part of my
> setups for some reason.
>
> Here's a second aside. The last time I had problems, I renamed it with
> an apparent associated error that's not ringing a bell now. I attached
> "ipv4stdinError" (ipv4 stdin error) to that file instead of the date.
> Leaving that here in case it makes sense as a login error causative to
> Samuel or others.
>
> Cindy :)
>

Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

[Jude DaShiell]

You may need to run spd-conf as user and make sure espeak or espeak-ng is
pointed at correct sound resources in order for that to work.
Alternatively, fenrir may solve the speech problem for tty1-tty6.


On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've had a while to try to get debian 11.0.0 installed and I wanted to
> give a status report.
>
> First the most important part, I found a work around.
>
> If you select "MATE" instead of "Default" in the upper right corner,
> you can log in with your username.
>
> I compared the current 'AMD Netinst iso with the last 10.10.0 installer.
> This is the last Buster installer.
>
> In 10.10.0 everything works fine, sound card is selected correctly,
> all menus are read correctly, the only thing that doesn't work is
> Shift Pg-Up and Shift Pg-Down screen review so the first half of the
> installer screen can't be seen in both 10.10.0 and in 11.0.0.
>
> In software package selection "print server" is one of the options in
> Buster, but it is not an option inn Bullseye.
>
> Everything works well until booting into the system, the system goes
> into an infinite loop when putting the user password in.
>
> Here's the work around, select "Mate" instead of "Default" in the
> upper right of the log in screen, and it will work.
>
> firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Installer.
>
> The installer knows I have two sound cards, but won't speak when I
> select the second sound card but will boot into the installed system
> speaking.
> In other words, the install is inaccessible and has to be done by
> someone who can see the small characters on the screen.
>
> Just like 10.10.0 screen review is broken, shift pg-up and
> shift-pg-down do not work.
>
> Boots into Mate speaking, but all other consoles are not speaking even
> after boot. That is TTY 1 to TTY6 do not speak.
>
> I installed htop and found that espeakup is running as is
> speech-dispatcher, but there is speech in MATE because Orca is running
> but none in console except if MATE is not running.
>
> I haven't tried to install another desktop environment to see if the
> problem is related to mate or is just something different.
>
> Best wishes,
> David
>
>

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

[Jude DaShiell]

It could have been seen and gas lighted.


On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Not being to log in as a user into the graphical user interface and being
> inaccessible to visually impaired users who have more than one sound card,
> makes it a fail as far as I can tell.
> Too bad they didn't see my message about RC3 failures that I sent.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:02 AM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > Debian thought they hit the bullseye with this one, likely the range would
> > score this one as a 9.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > I sent a message to the group that the Release of Bullseye has two big
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > 1.) You cannot log into MATE as a regular user.
> > > 2.) The sound card detection and selection dialog is broken because there
> > > is no sound to hear to verify which sound card works. If you know they
> > your
> > > sound card is the last one detected, just wait a few seconds and press
> > > enter. You'll have to finish the accessible installation WITHOUT sound
> > but
> > > when you boot up you'll have sound.
> > >
> > > But you cannot log into MATE, you can type your username and password,
> > > press enter, but something crashes and you return to the put in your
> > > username step and it's an infinite loop, happening over and over if you
> > > type in the information.
> > >
> > > You can go to console 2 and use the computer as a command line computer,
> > it
> > > will be connected to the connection you used to install.
> > >
> > > But GUI doesn't work as a regular user.
> > >
> > > Something similar happened with the release of Buster several years ago,
> > > but the next released version fixed it.
> > >
> > > Wait for the next version, hopefully the next version will fix this
> > problem.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 08:36 Pawel L.  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process.
> > > > In the graphical environment, after login, I have no speech and my
> > > > Braille display shows only 'Window without name" message.
> > > > No issues within the console so far.
> > > > Any fix for the graphical environment, please?
> > > > I tried the alt+F2 and typed in 'orca -r' with no luck, the 'Window
> > > > without name' message comes back.
> > > > Thank you for any suggestions.
> > > > Pawel
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

[Jude DaShiell]

There's 1 through 10 each of which is in a smaller ring the bullseyes are
inside the 10 ring.


On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote:

> I'm not familiar with darts, shooting ranges, or anything else in the
> target hitting category... how good/bad is a score of 9 for a single
> shot?
>
>

Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

[Jude DaShiell]

Debian thought they hit the bullseye with this one, likely the range would
score this one as a 9.


On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> I sent a message to the group that the Release of Bullseye has two big
> problems.
>
> 1.) You cannot log into MATE as a regular user.
> 2.) The sound card detection and selection dialog is broken because there
> is no sound to hear to verify which sound card works. If you know they your
> sound card is the last one detected, just wait a few seconds and press
> enter. You'll have to finish the accessible installation WITHOUT sound but
> when you boot up you'll have sound.
>
> But you cannot log into MATE, you can type your username and password,
> press enter, but something crashes and you return to the put in your
> username step and it's an infinite loop, happening over and over if you
> type in the information.
>
> You can go to console 2 and use the computer as a command line computer, it
> will be connected to the connection you used to install.
>
> But GUI doesn't work as a regular user.
>
> Something similar happened with the release of Buster several years ago,
> but the next released version fixed it.
>
> Wait for the next version, hopefully the next version will fix this problem.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 08:36 Pawel L.  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > The Speakup volume is extremely low during the installation process.
> > In the graphical environment, after login, I have no speech and my
> > Braille display shows only 'Window without name" message.
> > No issues within the console so far.
> > Any fix for the graphical environment, please?
> > I tried the alt+F2 and typed in 'orca -r' with no luck, the 'Window
> > without name' message comes back.
> > Thank you for any suggestions.
> > Pawel
> >
>

Re: Report on Latest Testing (Bullseys) Weekly

[Jude DaShiell]

Maybe while doing an install, execute a shell and run aplay -L which
should show all available sound cards.  If speakertest can be run with
each of these sound cards as a parameter, one of them ought to produce
static and that's the sound card the installer is using.
I have no clue about the password problem.


On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Strange!
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
> > The iso just doesn't speak when installing, it says on the screen:
> >
> > To use this sound card, press Enter now.
> > To use this sound card, press Enter now.
> >
> > Since I can see these two lines, I just wait and press Enter after the
> > second line is written on the screen - only takes 5 seconds or so.
> >
> > I have screen reader speech on reboot, but I cannot log in using my
> > username, it goes into an infinite loop.
> >
> > I can just change my user name to root and enter the root password, and I
> > can get into MATE Graphic User Interface.
> >
> > But that's not what is supposed to be.
> >
> > Both the latest weekly build with firmware and the last Bullseye RC3 are
> > broken at least when running on my computer.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 8:40 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe try speakertest| tee speakertest.log.
> > > If that generates a log file and static over the speaker, examine the log
> > > file since the sound card speakertest found ought to be listed near the
> > > top of that log file.
> > > amixer set Master 100% unmute may also help some.
> > > If it does, make sure to run alsactl store or you'll loose that sound
> > > volume the next time you boot.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I tried to install the latest testing / bullseye weekly build and the
> > > > results were the same as bullseysRC3,.
> > > >
> > > > The latest weekly detected my soundcard, but when it did, it didn't
> > > > announce it in the accessible installation so a person could select it.
> > > >
> > > > When booting after installation it is IMPOSSIBLE to log in using your
> > > > username.
> > > >
> > > > It is possible to log in to MATE using root and root password.
> > > >
> > > > My sys log for this is here:
> > > > https://qsl.net/n1ea/debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog
> > > >
> > > > I left this message on the IRC for debian-boot and debian-a11y:
> > > >
> > > > Here is the syslog from the latest weekly build of Debian Testing, just
> > > > like Bullseys RC3, the accessible installer recognizes my sound card, 
> > > > but
> > > > it doesn't say "Press Enter Now" download here:
> > > > https://qsl.net/n1ea/debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog
> > > >
> > > > So it still doesn't work.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: Report on Latest Testing (Bullseys) Weekly

[Jude DaShiell]

Strange!


On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> The iso just doesn't speak when installing, it says on the screen:
>
> To use this sound card, press Enter now.
> To use this sound card, press Enter now.
>
> Since I can see these two lines, I just wait and press Enter after the
> second line is written on the screen - only takes 5 seconds or so.
>
> I have screen reader speech on reboot, but I cannot log in using my
> username, it goes into an infinite loop.
>
> I can just change my user name to root and enter the root password, and I
> can get into MATE Graphic User Interface.
>
> But that's not what is supposed to be.
>
> Both the latest weekly build with firmware and the last Bullseye RC3 are
> broken at least when running on my computer.
>
> Best Regards,
> David
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 8:40 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > Maybe try speakertest| tee speakertest.log.
> > If that generates a log file and static over the speaker, examine the log
> > file since the sound card speakertest found ought to be listed near the
> > top of that log file.
> > amixer set Master 100% unmute may also help some.
> > If it does, make sure to run alsactl store or you'll loose that sound
> > volume the next time you boot.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I tried to install the latest testing / bullseye weekly build and the
> > > results were the same as bullseysRC3,.
> > >
> > > The latest weekly detected my soundcard, but when it did, it didn't
> > > announce it in the accessible installation so a person could select it.
> > >
> > > When booting after installation it is IMPOSSIBLE to log in using your
> > > username.
> > >
> > > It is possible to log in to MATE using root and root password.
> > >
> > > My sys log for this is here:
> > > https://qsl.net/n1ea/debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog
> > >
> > > I left this message on the IRC for debian-boot and debian-a11y:
> > >
> > > Here is the syslog from the latest weekly build of Debian Testing, just
> > > like Bullseys RC3, the accessible installer recognizes my sound card, but
> > > it doesn't say "Press Enter Now" download here:
> > > https://qsl.net/n1ea/debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog
> > >
> > > So it still doesn't work.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
>

Re: Report on Latest Testing (Bullseys) Weekly

[Jude DaShiell]

Maybe try speakertest| tee speakertest.log.
If that generates a log file and static over the speaker, examine the log
file since the sound card speakertest found ought to be listed near the
top of that log file.
amixer set Master 100% unmute may also help some.
If it does, make sure to run alsactl store or you'll loose that sound
volume the next time you boot.


On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I tried to install the latest testing / bullseye weekly build and the
> results were the same as bullseysRC3,.
>
> The latest weekly detected my soundcard, but when it did, it didn't
> announce it in the accessible installation so a person could select it.
>
> When booting after installation it is IMPOSSIBLE to log in using your
> username.
>
> It is possible to log in to MATE using root and root password.
>
> My sys log for this is here:
> https://qsl.net/n1ea/debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog
>
> I left this message on the IRC for debian-boot and debian-a11y:
>
> Here is the syslog from the latest weekly build of Debian Testing, just
> like Bullseys RC3, the accessible installer recognizes my sound card, but
> it doesn't say "Press Enter Now" download here:
> https://qsl.net/n1ea/debianweeklybullseysnonfree20210809syslog
>
> So it still doesn't work.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>

Re: Logs from Failed Bullseye RC3 Netinstall CD Accessible installation

[Jude DaShiell]

The first thing that needs to be done for the wi-fi users is to make an
experimental installer and keep it in-house.  Find out if ifup or other
utilities can bring up wi-fi after first boot.  We don't have these
problems on slint.


On Sun, 15 Aug 2021, Paul Gevers wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> On 15-08-2021 13:03, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > It's awfully quiet here.>
> > I have the log files of unsuccessful installation of my Bullseye AMD64
> > RC Netinstall CD here:
> >
> > http://qsl.net/n1ea/bullseyerc3netinstall.tar.gz
> > 
> >
> > Thanks to Jude for replying to my previous posts, otherwise I thought
> > the list was malfunctioning.
>
> I'm not able to be very much useful myself, I mentioned this thread on
> #debian-cd yesterday and hope somebody can pick it up.
>
> Paul
>
>