Re: orca 46 alpha

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hi Samuel,

Thanks for that upload. I’ll try to test.

Raphaël

Samuel Thibault  writes:

> Hello,
>
> I have uploaded orca 46 alpha to experimental. It is notably said to
> have improved performance a lot through using cache. It also got
> significant rewrites to clear the code, so there may be regressions
> ahead.
>
> So please test and report to the orca list ;)
>
> Samuel
>

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Re: Orca 43 beta in experimental

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hello,

Thanks for that work. I’ll test.

Regards,

Raphaël

Samuel Thibault  writes:

> Hello,
>
> Orca 43 beta is landing in experimental, tests welcome, and please
> report bugs to the orca-l...@gnome.org mailing list!
>
> Samuel

Re: Testing No Braille keys in X

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Samuel Thibault  writes:
> What do you mean exactly by "braille keys"? Do you mean the perkins
> keys, or all keys from the braille device?

All keys from Braille device.
>
> Also, which model of braille device is that?

Oh my god. Actually, my official Braille display, which is an Active
Star from Handy Tech is out of order. So I use temporarily a Tieman, but
with autodetect, I don’t know which driver it is, I didn’t yet read
logs. But, for the installation, I used the Active Star of my
company. After, I didn’t care if Braille keys were available. I plugged
the Tieman and I noticed the problem, even after reboot.

I just made a test to answer to your reply, I unplugged Tieman and
plugged Active Star, now Braille keys were available. I changed to
Tieman, Braille keys are still available. So I don’t understand.

Sorry, it works fine now. I hope it will stay like that.
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Testing No Braille keys in X

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear team,

Testing, Mate, installed from DI.

Braille keys are not available in X and Orca. Works fine in none X TTY.

$ ps ax | grep brl
   4364 ?S

Testing, pipewire and speech-dispatcher

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hello,

I was in testing (Bullseye). I'd like to continue to follow than branch
but I see pipewire in the update list. Is it a risk for
speech-dispatcher?

Thanks for your help.

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Generate visual Braille

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hello,

I'm looking for a solution to generate a PDF with Braille, which could
be 3D printed, deep embossed or swell embosed.

I tested several solutions which have their advantages and their
inconvenients. Those solutions are based on a TrueType police:
https://www.rnib.org.uk/braille-and-other-tactile-codes-portal-writing-and-producing-braille/braille-fonts

The main problem is those fonts are based on american table, which get
difficult to write french for instance. We have to type special
characters for capital sign, aaccents, digit etc.

1. XeLaTeX, UTF-8 input:

Writing french is very hard, especialy for some characters which are
reserved characters in LaTeX. For instance, 8 digit is \textbackslash.

2. XeLaTeX, unicode input:

Easier but lots of overfull hbox after compilation and truncated lines.

3. Libreoffice, UTF-8 input:

OK, but export PDF seems to insert some spaces before some punctuations.

4. Libreoffice, unicode input:

OK, but no word wrapping at the end of lines.

Any other possibility?

Thanks for helping.

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Re: Embosser on USB parallel

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Samuel Thibault  writes:
> How did you start the print?

I tried with a test page in the cups interface and with a odt file:
$ lp -d basic-d test.odt

If I try with a text file:
$ lp -d basic-d test.txt
lp: Unsupported document-format "application/x-idx-doc".
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Re: Embosser on USB parallel

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Samuel Thibault  writes:
> That could be it (yes it looks like a bad naming but I wouldn't be so
> surprised that it'd be it). You could try to unplug the adaptor and
> restart cups to check whether it still shows that "Serial port".

finally, it seems to be configurable by creating a symlink /dev/usb/lp0
/dev/lp0. I still don't manage to print but it seems to come from the
backend.

I chose index as constructor, Basic-d V4 as model, and fr-bfu-com8-utb
as Braille table.

Here one log line after running a odt print:
E [14/Oct/2020:17:22:57 +0200] [Job 32] unsupported control character in
BRF file

I tried some othe table with the same result.

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Re: Embosser on USB parallel

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Samuel Thibault  writes:
> That could be it (yes it looks like a bad naming but I wouldn't be so
> surprised that it'd be it). You could try to unplug the adaptor and
> restart cups to check whether it still shows that "Serial port".

I'm not at home, so without the embosser and the converter and I still
see that port.
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Re: Embosser on USB parallel

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hi Samuel,

Samuel Thibault  writes:
> It should be, yes. When you go to the administration tab, add a printer,
> get the list of connections, what choices do you have?

* CUPS-BRF (Virtual BRF Braille Printer)
* Serial port #1
* Backend Error Handler
* Internet Printing Protocol (https)
* AppSocket/HP JetDirect
* Internet Printing Protocol (ipps)
* LPD LPR
* Internet Printing Protocol (http)
* Internet Printing Protocol (ipp)

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Embosser on USB parallel

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hi,

Debian testing.

I'm trying to run an old embosser, a basic-d V4 which have only parallel
port. I connected it behind an USB parallel converter which is detected:
/dev/usb/lp0.

In cups interface localhost:631 I don't find any way to choose the
converter when adding a printer.

Is iit possible to do that?

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Re: Auto login

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Vojtěch šmiro  writes:
> It doesn't work.
>
> I've wrote
> autologin-user=username

username is your user name.
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Re: Auto login

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hello,

Which session manager do you use?

Regards,

Vojtěch šmiro  writes:

> Hello,
>
> is some way to not to write password after startup? I would like to
> login without password. Is it possible?
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Best regards
>
> Vojta.

Re: webmail and email from command line

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

I chose to use GNUS in Emacs. It's quite difficult to manipulate for the
first time, and the documentation is in a mess. But it's usable.

Regards,

Raphaël

loredana  writes:

> I find increasily difficult and error prone to read/send email via a
> browser and would like to either use emacs (preferred, now that it
> talks) or the command line.
>
> 'Though I managed to send mail to my gmail account by allowing less
> secure applications, this is likely not to be a viable solution (it
> seems that google is going to forbit less secure application access
> starting November first of this year and it is already a pain to use
> it now).
>
> Two factor authentication may well be the only solution for desktop
> users in a couple of months time.
>
> Your Institution willl have somebody solving this issue for you, but
> at home normal users who prefer to avoid using a browser for email are
> on their own.
>
> Once the authentication issue is solved, then any client (not only a
> browser) should be able to read/send mail, making life for me and
> possibly other visually impaired people easier.
>
> Here is what I plan to do:
>
> 1) use mbsync to fetch mail locally
>
> 2) use any tool to read/edit mail locally (I will use emacs and mu4e,
> bt at this point any editor and mail agent able to  work with mail
> locally should be just fine)
>
> 3) configure exim to deal with gmail authentication to read and send
> mail via smtp gmail server.
>
> Is this a reasonable approach? Any comment or suggestion? Any other
> way of dealing with email locally, without a browser and to use the
> network only for reading/sending mail with an acceptable
> authorization?
>
> BTW, swacks is in debian and it is a very nice tool to test smtp
> connections from the command line:
>
> swaks --tls --auth --to @gmail.com --server smtp.gmail.com
>
> Be careful with spoken passwords ..
> Loredana

Re: speech-dispatcher and speechd-el client error

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

loredana  writes:
> Just wonder. Should such a symbolick link be added automatically when
> installing the speech-dispatcher package? It could save time and some
> frustration to people less stubborn than me...

Which version of speechd-el do you use? I had the problem with the
version in wheezy, but from jessie the path is correct.
speechd-el 2.8
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Re: speech-dispatcher and speechd-el client error

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hi!

loredana  writes:
> ssip-connection-error: (file-error make client process failed no such
> file or directory :name speechd :family local :remote
> /home/user/.speech-dispatcher/speechd.sock)

Check that path:
/run/user//speech-dispatcher
create an symbolink link into /home/user/.speech-dispatcher

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Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Hi,
On 11/08/2017 06:17 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:

Uh. And that isn't happening with version 5.5-2?


No. So, I have no more that bug after restarting my computer. It 
appeared only after updating and restarting brltty service. I'll tell 
you if it appears again.


Raphaël

Re: Brltty 5.5 in sid, and experimental change in experimental

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

On 11/08/2017 03:52 PM, Alex ARNAUD wrote:

@Raphaël @Shérab @Sebastian
Is it possible for you to test the new BRLTTY 5.5 package from 
experimental?


I just updated now. It seems to work correctly. I only notice stopping 
speech when usin Orca and reading on my Active Star. For instance, it is 
speaking, the speech is stopped when I put fingers on the Braille line.


Regards,

Raphaël

Testing: Orca in lightdm

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear team,

I installed Stretch from firmware-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso
with Braille.

I could notice with pleasure Mate was checked by default.

I was desapoinded after rebooting to read: "Welcome to Orca" but not the
login screen and hear no speech.

For speech, I noticed pulseaudio was not installed and speech-dispatcher
not configured for alsa.

Should I open a bug?

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dark theme

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear team,

I will have to give a lecture about Debian installation and
administration for people with multiple visual impairement : blind
(Braille reader or not), partially sighted.

For totally blind people, obiusly I'll propose Braille or speech.

A partially sighted user told me dark theme could be correct for some
people but is not adapted for everybody. Are there other themes ? Do you
think installing by Mate Live CD could offer more themes ?

Thank you for your ideas.

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Re: Problems with a PDF

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Samuel Thibault  writes:
> It'd be good to find out which tool produced the pdf, and report there
> that the pdf production should be done in logical order, not geometrical
> order.

Jean-Philippe, you should be able to have this information with exiftool.
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Bug#800602: Lightdm: orca speaks characters while typing the password.

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Package: gnome-orca
Version: 3.16.2-1.1
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,

*** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

   * What led up to the situation?
   * What was the outcome of this action?
Just after booting at login in lightdm conigured to diplay the list of users.
   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
 ineffective)?
I type my password directly, with the default selected user. Orca speaks 
characters.
   * What outcome did you expect instead?
Orca should say "asterisk".

*** End of the template - remove these template lines ***


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Debian Release: 8.2
  APT prefers stable-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)

Versions of packages gnome-orca depends on:
ii  gir1.2-glib-2.01.42.0-2.2
ii  gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.14.5-1+deb8u1
ii  gir1.2-pango-1.0   1.36.8-3
ii  gir1.2-wnck-3.03.4.9-3
ii  gsettings-desktop-schemas  3.14.1-1
ii  python33.4.2-2
ii  python3-brlapi 5.2~20141018-5
ii  python3-cairo  1.10.0+dfsg-4+b1
ii  python3-gi 3.14.0-1
ii  python3-louis  2.5.3-3
ii  python3-pyatspi2.14.0+dfsg-1
ii  python3-speechd0.8-7
pn  python3:any
ii  speech-dispatcher  0.8-7

Versions of packages gnome-orca recommends:
ii  libgail-common  2.24.25-3
ii  xbrlapi 5.2~20141018-5

gnome-orca suggests no packages.

-- no debconf information

Building mate live cd with orca

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear team,

I try to generate a live cd including mate + orca and others
customizations.

Firstly, I tested the prebuilt live cd which has orca but doesn't work
correctly. It says "welcome to orca" and anything no more. I believe
it's a known bug if I'm not wrong. The installer arrounds this
problem. I have the same problem with my own generated cd. Actually,
what does the installer which I have to include in the live cd
generation to have orca working and startded automatically?

Maybe should I try at least to declare this:
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge

I understood mate live cd uses lightdm. If I use task-mate-desktop, I'm
in the same situation.

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Bug#791892: Writer: read and spell words in spellchecker

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Package: gnome-orca
Version: 3.14.0-4
Severity: wishlist

Dear Maintainer,

*** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

   * What led up to the situation?
In the spellchecker dialogue.
   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
 ineffective)?
Tab to set focus on the spell error field.
   * What was the outcome of this action?
It reads only the contain of the field.
   * What outcome did you expect instead?
Read the contain of the field, spell the incorrect word, read and spell the 
sugestion. It could be good to have a shortcut to repeat this action.

*** End of the template - remove these template lines ***


-- System Information:
Debian Release: 8.1
  APT prefers stable-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)

Versions of packages gnome-orca depends on:
ii  gir1.2-glib-2.01.42.0-2.2
ii  gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.14.5-1
ii  gir1.2-pango-1.0   1.36.8-3
ii  gir1.2-wnck-3.03.4.9-3
ii  gsettings-desktop-schemas  3.14.1-1
ii  python33.4.2-2
ii  python3-brlapi 5.2~20141018-5
ii  python3-cairo  1.10.0+dfsg-4+b1
ii  python3-gi 3.14.0-1
ii  python3-louis  2.5.3-3
ii  python3-pyatspi2.14.0+dfsg-1
ii  python3-speechd0.8-7
pn  python3:anynone
ii  speech-dispatcher  0.8-7

Versions of packages gnome-orca recommends:
ii  libgail-common  2.24.25-3
ii  xbrlapi 5.2~20141018-5

gnome-orca suggests no packages.

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BRLTTY Braille driver auto

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear Team,

After installing Jessie with this initialization :
install brltty=ht,usb:

BRLTTY doesn't detect other Braille display model automatically. The
config file is standard, all braille drivers and devices are
commented. If I type for instance :
brltty -b al
it works. But :
brltt -b auto
it doesn't.

I had to purge and reinstall brltty package to solve this problem.

I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to analize deeply, I had to help
fastly a customer.

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Re: BRLTTY Braille driver auto

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 Why did you need this? the installer should already be able to
 auto-detect this braille device

In order to avoid the conflict between my Braille display and others
which have the same USB ID. We already talked about this bug.

 Check the end of the file, the installer puts additional lines there.

OK, I will be carefull for an other installation.

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Re: BRLTTY Braille driver auto

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Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 Ok, but this bug was fixed in the latest installer, so as to bother only
 the owners of the rare displays using that USB ID, not the owners of the
 most common displays. So it shouldn't be needed any more (or else
 there's more to fix, and thus we have to discuss more on this issue).

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Speech-dispatcher PicoTTS module package

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear team,

I noticed in vinux project, it was possible to use Pico TTS with a
speech-dispatcher module. There is a dedicated package
speech-dispatcher-pico which doesn’t exist in Debian. Is there a reason?
Is it easy to compile this module and make a package?

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Re: Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes:
 Or do you really own a Cebra from NinePoint Systems?

I use a Handy Tech Braille Star.
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Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

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Mario Lang ml...@debian.org writes:
 So the bug is in auto-detection.  The Cebra and Braille Star do infact
 speak almost the same protocol, and do have, IIRC, identical USB IDs.

OK, but why this bug appears in RC2? Is it because CEbra maybe is a new
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Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

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Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 It didn't happen at all with RC1?  There were uploads of brltty in
 between, but they mattered only to xbrlapi and grub.  I can also
 reproduce the no-detection-at-all issue with it.

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Re: Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

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Hi Samuel,
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 Could you test the following image to make sure?  It fixes the issue for
 me.

 http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/mini.iso

My Braille display works, but I don’t manage to move in the screen with
the navigation keys. I can only pan 40 characters left and right, but
it’s wrong keys. Those keys are usually used to emulate up and down
arrow keys.

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Re: Bug#782732: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

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Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 Does this happen in the installed system too?

It seems not. After booting the system, everything works as well !

 Which keys are these? From what I can read from bs.kti, the chosen
 binding for navigation is

 bind SpaceLeft FWINLT
 bind SpaceRight FWINRT

 bind B1+SpaceLeft LNBEG
 bind B1+SpaceRight LNEND
 bind B2+SpaceLeft TOP
 bind B2+SpaceRight BOT
 bind B3+SpaceLeft HWINLT
 bind B3+SpaceRight HWINRT
 bind B6+SpaceLeft CHRLT
 bind B6+SpaceRight CHRRT

Actually, it’s a big mess ! No keys works correctly ! The space left and
right seem to be inacvive.

 Are you talking about SpaceLeft/Right? Apparently it was definitely
 chosen to be FWINLT/RT. If that should be fixed, please discuss on the
 brltty mailing list.

After booting, everything is OK ! It’s a special bug in the installer.

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Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

[Raphaël POITEVIN]

Dear team,

I tried to use debian-jessie-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso. It seems Braille
support doesn’t work no more.

Firstly, I tried in a VM with VirtualBox. I've many difficults to start
Braille. If I manage, Braille display commands doesn’t work correctly, I
can’t navigate in the window.

With a physical machine, no way to start Braille.

I use a USB Braille display which usually work with old installeurs.

Did someone notice the problem?

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Re: Testing installeur, Braille no more operating automatically

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Hi Samuel !

It’s realy funny to talk with you in englishr ! :)
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 Please specify which display, with lsusb output, etc. Otherwise I can
 not answer much more than works for me with a baum device.

I use a Handy Tech Braille Star.

Here lsusb output, hoping to filter the right information:

Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd 
FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC
Device Descriptor:
  bLength18
  bDescriptorType 1
  bcdUSB   1.10
  bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level)
  bDeviceSubClass 0 
  bDeviceProtocol 0 
  bMaxPacketSize0 8
  idVendor   0x0403 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd
  idProduct  0x6001 FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC
  bcdDevice4.00
  iManufacturer   1 FTDI
  iProduct2 USB - Serial
  iSerial 0 
  bNumConfigurations  1
  Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength   32
bNumInterfaces  1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration  0 
bmAttributes 0xc0
  Self Powered
MaxPower   90mA
Interface Descriptor:
  bLength 9
  bDescriptorType 4
  bInterfaceNumber0
  bAlternateSetting   0
  bNumEndpoints   2
  bInterfaceClass   255 Vendor Specific Class
  bInterfaceSubClass255 Vendor Specific Subclass
  bInterfaceProtocol255 Vendor Specific Protocol
  iInterface  2 USB - Serial
  Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81  EP 1 IN
bmAttributes2
  Transfer TypeBulk
  Synch Type   None
  Usage Type   Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0040  1x 64 bytes
bInterval   0
  Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x02  EP 2 OUT
bmAttributes2
  Transfer TypeBulk
  Synch Type   None
  Usage Type   Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0040  1x 64 bytes
bInterval   0
Device Status: 0x0001
  Self Powered

It’s an integrated usb-serial converter. Actually, there are an usb and
a serial port with a switch radio button.

Regards,
-- 
Raphaël
Hypra S.A.S.


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