Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 06:56:32PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 02 May 2009, Simon Raven wrote: I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and have a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such a negative way? I'm not quite sure why an icon of a tipi used in the manner it is used I was under the impression it was teepee, but then again I also thought that eskimo was a legitimate word, when I have since learned it is in fact insulting. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
retitle 526613 possible cultural appropriation of tipi icon on wiki thanks On Mon, 04 May 2009, Simon Raven Côté wrote: That is not the negative aspect, it is that someone not of that culture is using the tipi icon to represent community. I.E., cultural appropriation. If the issue is cultural appropriation, then please, lets use the those terms instead. I personally don't think that the utilization of tipi in the narrow context of representing community is a particularly egregious form of cultural appropriation. That said, if someone proproses a replacement that more elegantly represents community, by all means change it. [Patches are better than just bugs…] Don Armstrong -- If you wish to strive for peace of soul, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire. -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
On Sat, 02 May 2009, Simon Raven wrote: I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and have a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such a negative way? I'm not quite sure why an icon of a tipi used in the manner it is used would be considered a negative stereotype of the peoples of the Great Plains, especially as no claim is made regarding the nature of the community behind those pages. Don Armstrong -- Personally, I think my choice in the mostest-superlative-computer wars has to be the HP-48 series of calculators. They'll run almost anything. And if they can't, while I'll just plug a Linux box into the serial port and load up the HP-48 VT-100 emulator. -- Jeff Dege, jd...@winternet.com http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
Package: wiki.debian.org Severity: normal http://wiki.debian.org/Portal/IDB?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=icon-community-32x32.png The title attribute IDs it as Portal/IDB/icon-community-32x32.png. This icon is a) stereotyping so-called North American Indigenous peoples, and I would highly recommend and demand that this icon be changed. I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and have a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such a negative way? Sure we have a lot to offer the rest of the non-Indigenous world, and have, a LOT, but hey, don't keep up the false images. We don't all live in tipis on Great Turtle Island (North America), you know. Thanks for your time, simon -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (995, 'unstable'), (990, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.29-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#526613: wiki.debian.org: offensive icon
Hello, On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 04:31 -0400, Simon Raven wrote: http://wiki.debian.org/Portal/IDB?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=icon-community-32x32.png The title attribute IDs it as Portal/IDB/icon-community-32x32.png. I am pretty sure that the contributor who chose this tent icon had no intend to offend anyone. Actually, I am pretty sure that he chose a tent icon because a tent represent a place where people/families/friends get in group, altogether with open mind. From the top of my mind , I would associate those word with group, share, talk, friendly which are extremely positive values. (As opposed to a house/home icon which, in my mind, is the place which is associated with words like family, ownership and security) This icon is a) stereotyping so-called North American Indigenous peoples. Note that in no way, this icon is associated with North American Indigenous peoples in this website. It seems that tents with such shape exists all over the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibley_tent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavvu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goahti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chum_(tent) and I would highly recommend and demand that this icon be changed. We will consider that. I don't see why a stereotype of us should be used to represent community. I'm sure non-Indigenous people have communities too, and have a sense of community, why should we be made an example in such a negative way? Negative way? I do believe that this icon was chosen because of the positive values associated with those large tents used in many places in the world. I believe that North American Indigenous and other people who live/lived in tents should be extremely proud of the positive values carried by such icons. Sure we have a lot to offer the rest of the non-Indigenous world, and have, a LOT, I am pretty sure of that. but hey, don't keep up the false images. We don't all live in tipis on Great Turtle Island (North America), you know. I don't understand what would be so negative, living in tipis? Be sure, that we will consider changing the icon. Thank you for your feedback, Regards, Franklin [1] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coron_(urbanisme) P.S. We should all be proud of how we lived in the past, what ever the situation. For instance, I come from a part of France which is known for it coalmines, slag heaps and corons[1] (typical houses) where men used to die at 40~45. Those were tough lives for all families. Many people want to erase the slag heaps to forget about it all... I believe that forgetting would a shame. P.S.2 Do you know that there are some efforts to improve North America's Indigenous Languages support in Debian? See: http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/NorthAmericanIndigenousLanguages -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
