Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 05:59:47AM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote: Quoting Philipp Kern (pk...@debian.org): PS: No, I'm not happy it's closed. But I find it riduculous if you add another CPU that you cannot control to load firmware, like a free mobile handset did. And then it's free!!111 It's not all clear to me what a GR on a seperate section for firmware would yield. (Especially given the fact that users now need to activate the whole of non-free to get the firmware they need. Ridiculous as well.) Hmmm, do we really need a GR in order to have two non-free sections? If we want to include firmware on the installation media, then yes. If not, ftp-master could possibly be petitioned. But I doubt that much would happen without a GR. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/ Well, I know how to solve my problem, but this doesn't help the unexperienced user who might ditch Debian if wifi doesn't work and install Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu supports non-free firmware during install. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 06:41:59PM +0200, borish wrote: Well, I know how to solve my problem, but this doesn't help the unexperienced user who might ditch Debian if wifi doesn't work and install Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu supports non-free firmware during install. I don't think Debian should violate the social contract just to make inexperienced users have an easier time. After all if they don't learn that their wifi requires non-free software to work, then what is the point of even having Debian promise to be all free software? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM, borish wrote: Well, I know how to solve my problem, but this doesn't help the unexperienced user who might ditch Debian if wifi doesn't work and install Ubuntu instead. Ubuntu supports non-free firmware during install. Presumably inexperienced (but proactive) users will come across bug reports like this one, and eventually gain the autonomy to solve their own problems. Choice is important. Debian and Ubuntu have different directions and adhere to different ideals. For some users convenience is of the utmost importance. For them Ubuntu is simply the better choice, and that's ok. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:49:00PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: After all if they don't learn that their wifi requires non-free software to work, then what is the point of even having Debian promise to be all free software? Mostly because it's firmware; it doesn't run on the CPU. I for one am happy that it's not in a ROM, but then I guess it should probably be in an EEPROM and not be loaded upon driver activation. Kind regards Philipp Kern PS: No, I'm not happy it's closed. But I find it riduculous if you add another CPU that you cannot control to load firmware, like a free mobile handset did. And then it's free!!111 It's not all clear to me what a GR on a seperate section for firmware would yield. (Especially given the fact that users now need to activate the whole of non-free to get the firmware they need. Ridiculous as well.) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
Le mardi, 21 août 2012 20.48:39, Philipp Kern a écrit : And then it's free!!111 It's not all clear to me what a GR on a seperate section for firmware would yield. (Especially given the fact that users now need to activate the whole of non-free to get the firmware they need. Ridiculous as well.) I would second such a GR. I have also been annoyed at the installing firmwares from a blessed repository grants you access to the whole can of worms-privative-software. (Please wait for after wheezy release though :-). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#685499: closed by Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org (Re: Bug#685499: debian-installer: Include firmware-linux)
Quoting Philipp Kern (pk...@debian.org): PS: No, I'm not happy it's closed. But I find it riduculous if you add another CPU that you cannot control to load firmware, like a free mobile handset did. And then it's free!!111 It's not all clear to me what a GR on a seperate section for firmware would yield. (Especially given the fact that users now need to activate the whole of non-free to get the firmware they need. Ridiculous as well.) Hmmm, do we really need a GR in order to have two non-free sections? -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
