Re: Debian Perl: Digital Detective

[Wouter Verhelst]

Hi Sean,

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 12:24:49PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Title: "Debian Perl: Digital Detective"
> Subtitle: "The Memory Thief"
> Also on cover: "Solve the case like a coding pro!"
> 
> Blurb:
> 
> Megalopolis used to be the city hub for all the makers, doers, and
> dreamers. It was a better time according to Debian Perl, a
> technomancer known for her out-of-date computer programming
> skills. Now the city streets are filled with "Egg-heads," those in
> thrall to the ease and simplicity of new technology as opposed to
> Debian's way of doing things. Digits is one of those Egg-heads. She
> is a young social media guru and knows her way around all the
> newest, latest technology. Debian and Digits cross paths when they
> both stumble across a 100-year-old lost robot named Ray-Bot. They
> soon learn that Ray-Bot's CPU was suspiciously overclocked, leaving
> him unable to perform basic functions and commands. To find out
> where the robot came from, Debian must teach Digits everything she
> knows about computer coding and programming. Along their journey to
> bring Ray-Bot home, they begin piecing together the mysterious
> puzzle about his malfunction and uncover some sinister secrets.
> 
> Debian Perl: Digital Detective is a five-book series in which
> middle-grade readers will join Debian and Digits on mystery
> adventures all while building practical knowledge of coding,
> algorithms, algebra, and logical problem-solving.
> 
> A bargain at $12.99.
> 
> 

Interesting, but I do wonder how compliant that is with our trademark...?

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Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 4293-1] discount security update

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 12:53:43AM +0200, Adrian Friedli wrote:
> Where can I get this discount on security update?

Every security update is at infinite discount!

(gotta love division by zero)

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Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Feb 07, 2018 at 09:18:03AM +, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
> You can't put a : in a filename on a FAT filesystem.

Interestingly enough, you *can* put a : in a filename on an NTFS
filesystem, if you do it with ntfs-3g. Windows won't like it, though.
Yes, I found that out the hard way ;-)

(though this was several years ago, and ntfs-3g might have been patched
in the mean time to no longer support that, but I have no way of testing
anymore...)

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Re: Allison Randal: Application Manager report

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:41:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> ChangZhuo Chen dijo [Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:41:59PM -]:
> > For nm.debian.org, at 2017-08-10:
> > After looking at Allison Randal 's contributions and 
> > after exchanging some emails to
> > get to know them a bit better, I agree with the advocate(s) that Allison 
> > Randal  can
> > and should indeed be a Debian Developer, uploading right now.
> 
> After being Allison [...]

Um. O-kay.

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Re: "Debian red" used to describe color of clothing

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 09:06:17AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, 2017-04-30 at 20:12 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Side note: wasn't using our name in the code name of some other software
> > product a dilution of our trademark? IANAL, but I suspect that it is.
> 
> It wasn't used as the code name of the software, but the name of the
> theme based on the 'Debian Red' colour. Journalists were mistaken.

No! They couldn't be! That never happens!



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Re: "Debian red" used to describe color of clothing

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 01:18:28PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 2:55 AM, Björn Andersson wrote:
> > Has anyone ever seen "debian red" being used to describe non-debian related
> > items in this way before?
> 
> A quick web search finds this Nokia device:
> 
> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Nokia-Chooses-Bizarre-Debian-Red-Color-Name-for-Its-Windows-Phone-Firmware-454521.shtml
> http://www.windowscentral.com/first-photos-lumia-730-new-debian-red-firmware
> 
> A bunch of colour sites define it too:
> 
> https://colors.findthedata.com/l/721/Debian-Red
> http://www.colorhexa.com/d70a53
> http://www.99colors.net/name/debian-red

I suspect that the official naming of that color as "Debian Red" is a
result of the trademarking of our logo. Strangely though, the #D70A53
color does not match the color definition of the swirl (or the dot of
the "i") in the open logo, which has #A80030 instead.

Side note: wasn't using our name in the code name of some other software
product a dilution of our trademark? IANAL, but I suspect that it is.

It's probably too late to do something about a three-year-old codename,
though.

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Re: You wouldn't miss it . . .

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 02:12:32PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Dmitry Smirnov writes ("Re: You wouldn't miss it . . ."):
> > Which programming languages are not a joke?
> > I'm still looking for them to learn. ;)
> 
> Common Lisp.  It's not a joke; it's a piece of performance art.

Lisp is cute; it's like the code is being hugged

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Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

[Wouter Verhelst]

Hi Axel,

On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 07:09:04PM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > Wouter Verhelst dijo [Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 06:45:49PM +0100]:
> > > [M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > > I mean, who needs a desktop?
> 
> You mean a bloaty, shiny desktop environment?
> 
> > > > A background?
> 
> Haven't seen mine in months. I think it's broken for a year or two now
> anyways. There's only a single tile shown despite it should be
> repeated. But I don't care as only see it very occassionally.

Translucent terminals FTW ;-)

> > > > Overlapping windows?
> 
> Are you crazy? Nobody wants that! That's horribly inefficient! No nicely
> aligned windows either!
> 
> > > > We the *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window
> > > > manager, such as
> > > > i3:
> > > 
> > > Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)
> 
> 
> Unfortunately no more. I still have awesome on hold on 3.4.15-1
> because 3.5.x is incompatible with the no more updated awesome-extra
> package. And without awesome-extra, awesome is far less awesome... :-(

Never used that. However, reading the description, I'm not very impressed:

"
 It contains:
  * wicked, a widget manager which can fill them with various system information
(CPU or memory usage, network bandwidth, etc);
  * shifty, an extension implementing dynamic tagging;
  * obvious, a set of several widgets (WiFi link quality, battery usage, etc),
superseding wicked;
  * vicious, a widget manager;
  * revelation, expose like functionality;
  * bashets, use your shell scripts as content providers for widgets;
  * flaw, object oriented library providing a thin abstraction layer
above awesome widgets.
"

So, that's a widget manager, something else, a widget manager
superseding the first, a widget manager, something else, a widget bash
thingy, and something "providing a thin abstraction layer [for] widgets"
(which is what, another widget manager?)

Would you like a widget manager with your widget manager?

> So I wonder if I should switch to i3 which is properly maintained and
> seems to have all the features I need since 4.x...

Let me guess, it has widgets? ;-P

> > Lua for configuration is overrated. It's not for techies, it's for
> > masochists. A techie knows when to let go ;-)
> 
>  and has proper config files. Awesome 2.x was indeed awesome as it
> didn't have that annoying lua-drawback.
> 
> 
> Oh, and btw.:
> https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=awesome,i3-wm_installed=on_vote=on_legend=on=1

So i3 is more popular. If I cared about that, I'd be using gnome or KDE,
not a tiling window manager.

> > (hell, should I have refrained from this last reply?)
> 
> Nope. ;-)

Not on this list, at least :-)

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Re: DE discussions

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:44:55AM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Amruth Chand wrote:
> > Hey, why ain't anyone bringing in dwm? Sure, no config is a
> > bummer...
> 
> That's the point probably.
> 
> > But just a few thousand lines of code sure makes it compile fast.
> 
> Having to configure a software in C is probably worse than having to
> configure it in Haskell or Lua. Never tried xmonad or dwm (for more
> than a few minutes) though.
> 
> My WM history: twm (a few months in 1995), tvtwm (maybe a year), FVWM
> 1+2 (ca. 15 years), Ratpoison (ca. 4 years, but only on small screens,
> i.e. the 7" EeePC 701), and Awesome 2+3 (Slightly over 5 years now,
> started in parallel to Ratpoison, just for all bigger screens. I
> wanted a usable Tiling WM for big screens and multihead after having
> tasted tiling blood with Ratpoison. FVWM's SmartPlacement suddenly
> wasn't good enough anymore.)

If we're going to list WM histories...

enlightenment 16 for several years (until someone tried to fix its bugs
and introduced more), ion3 for a few weeks (until I realized that it's a
bit too extreme for my taste), gnome 2 (until a few weeks after a major
release update back in 2005 where I realized that the gnome people have
the weird idea that *removing* features is a good idea), icewm
("temporarily", which turned out to be for about seven years or so),
and awesome (which I still use, with no reason to switch to somehing
else so far -- and yes, at 3.5 :-).

> My setup with Ratpoison and Awesome (and already some i3 stuff) can be
> found at https://github.com/xtaran/ratpoison-desktop. (The repository
> name is owed to its history: it started as a ratpoison-only setup.)

Never did the "commit setup into git" thing. Not sure what the benefit
is... in my case, it's just a 10-line .xsession and some config files,
anyway...

> I also remember having used Sawfish with GNOME 1 on a single computer
> for a while as well as KDE 3 or 4 on a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD box in its
> early days. But back then I always came back to FVWM after some time.

Never did the gnome 1 thing. Just didn't seem to make sense to me at the
time.

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Re: Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

[Wouter Verhelst]

[M-F-T set, as this is getting increasingly off-topic]

On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 10:16:55AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I mean, who needs a desktop? A background? Overlapping windows? We the
> *real* tech-savvy people only need a tiling window manager, such as
> i3:

Nah. Awesomewm is much better! ;-)

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Re: Bug#798714: debian-policy: Please explicitly recommend punctuation between the year, month and day components of date based version numbers

[Wouter Verhelst]

[mind CC change]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 02:09:22PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> (Along the same lines, I expect anything of the form XX/YY/ZZ to be a M/D/Y
> date until proven wrong because 99% of US dates are written that way.)

Then don't ever learn Dutch. XX/YY/ZZ is very much in use in
dutch-speaking areas, and refers to DMY dates.

. as a date separator is awful.

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Re: cdimage?? What should we call it?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 07:42:07PM +0100, Justin B Rye wrote:
 Steve Langasek wrote:
   - get.debian.org
 
 Too slangy and ambiguous.  Make it obtain.debian.org...

It's also just one typo away from git.debian.org.

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Re: sobre como inclinar mi pantalla de forma virtual.

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 09:35:58AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
 [ Curiosely, this is an off-topic mail for debian-curiosa.

No it isn't, by definition.

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Re: removing yada (was: Re: Bug#636016: ITP: goodbye -- next part after 'hello', and a packaging example)

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 11:42:36AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 05:04:10PM +0100, Tim Retout wrote:
  On the subject of yada: since your email, bug #334164 has been
  upgraded to RC, yada itself has been orphaned, and I have proposed its
  removal to debian-qa.
 
  So if anyone fancies adopting it and arguing in favour of keeping it,
  now's the time!
 
 If anyone fancies adopting it and arguing in favour of keeping it:  get
 help.  It's not too late.

Just for clarity:

Presumably you mean 'get mental help', rather than 'get someone to help
you maintaining this package'?

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Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:04:19PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
 On Saturday 25 July 2009 13.00:32 Wouter Verhelst wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 04:46:36PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
   Cylons!
 
  All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. In
  three weeks, the universe will explode in the third big bang since the
  start of unknown life.
 
 And then there's the theory that the universe will immediately be replaced 
 by a slightly different, more complex and complicated universe.  This, also, 
 has happened before.
 
 (A very small contest: name the author.  No prize, though.)

Don't forget to bring your towel!

(that one is *easy*)

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Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash without dash essential

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 04:46:36PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 04:45:01PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org 
  wrote:
  
   At my last job, there were production machines that would have cared
  
  Machines capable of feelings, wow!
 
 
 Cylons!

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. In
three weeks, the universe will explode in the third big bang since the
start of unknown life.

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Re: Declaration of intent to become a Maintainer

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 12:10:51AM +, s. keeling wrote:
 Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es:
   + Joachim Breitner (Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:30:56 +):
  
   I’d like to advocate Marco’s application. [...]
   Marco has attended DebConf 9 and thus has gotten to know Debian also
   from it’s personal side.
  
   We should accept time travelers into the Project right away!
 
 He should have access to patches upstream hasn't seen yet!

We should make him part of the security team.

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Re: Bug#507021: Fails to work on amd64

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 07:52:20PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 18:43 +, peter green wrote:
  Index: helpdeco-2.1.3/Makefile
  ===
  --- helpdeco-2.1.3.orig/Makefile2008-11-28 01:18:25.0
  +
  +++ helpdeco-2.1.3/Makefile 2008-11-28 01:18:25.0 +
  @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
   # GNU General Public License for more details.
   
   # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
  -# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
  Foundation,
  +# aint32_t with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
  Foundation,
 
 Somewhat overzealous replacement? ;-)

Heh.

Wonder what would happen in case of an assignment like

int32_t int32_t foo;

:-)

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Re: Considerations for lilo removal

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:16:12PM +0200, Dirk Neumann wrote:
 On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:40:27 +1000
 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 04:27:25AM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
   And as apps go, emacs isn't the bloated hawg it once was.  That's kde
   and gnome now.  Though (g)vim's attempting to get there too.
  
  hamish   15703  3.5  0.5 167720 11700 ?Ss   00:39   0:00 gvim
  
  Hmm you're right, we're well beyond the eight megabyte mark (though
  unlikely to be constantly swapping on today's computers..)
 
 Today, the 'e' stands for eight gigabytes.

Eight gigagytes Megabytes And Constantly Swapping (EMACS) ? Gotta fix
something someplace.

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Re: Renaming New Maintainer to New Developer?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:51:24AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Wednesday 11 June 2008 17:12, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
   Since there now is the concept of Debian Maintainers (DM), New
   Maintainer (NM) should be renamed to New Developer [ND?]. This could
   prevent confusion about the state of Debian Developers and Debian
   Maintainers.
  And while we're at it, NM are not new so maybe PD for prospective
  developers or FD for future developers. But FD is already front desk.
 
 Maybe FUD is a better acronym then?

Meaning what, 'Fairly Unready Developer'?

(which sounds like a quite horrible version of newspeak to me, but well)

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Re: mentors.debian.ORG?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:09:33PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote:
 P.S.: I do not endorse the abuse of drugs while coding!

I do. Especially caffeine, or chocolate.

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Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 04:20:37PM +, Stephen Gran wrote:
 This one time, at band camp, Wouter Verhelst said:
  
  I'd agree that there are way better ones out there. But I'd also say
  that it doesn't really matter which is best, and that this type of
  behaviour is quite childish. As long as qmail is free, packaged
  properly, and integrates well with the rest of Debian, I don't see why
  anyone should oppose its packaging.
  
  Whether or not it's a good MTA, the fact is that it's a *popular* MTA.
  That alone should be a good reason to package it.
 
 I don't agree with this, actually.  qmail is so poorly designed it can't
 stay running without a supervisor, and in it's default state is a
 giant producer of backscatter.

I said packaged properly, and integrates well with the rest of Debian.

This is not -devel, so I'll leave the rest of my argument as an
exercise to the reader.

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Re: Bug#457318: ITP: qmail -- a secure, reliable, efficient, simple message transfer agent

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 11:20:45AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
  On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
   On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
  On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
   On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
  On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
   On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
  Joerg Jaspert wrote:
   
   There are *way* better MTAs [than qmail] out
   there that dont need tons of patches applied
   just to fulfill basic requirements for a
   MTA.
  
  No, there are not.
 
 Yes, there are.

No, there are not.
   
   Yes, there are.
  
  No, there are not.
 
 Yes, there are.
   
No, there are not.
   
   Yes, there are.
  
  No, there are not.
 
 Yes, there are.
 
No, there are not.
   
   Yes, there are.
 
  No, there are not.
 
 Yes, there are.
 
 Next? ;-)

I'd agree that there are way better ones out there. But I'd also say
that it doesn't really matter which is best, and that this type of
behaviour is quite childish. As long as qmail is free, packaged
properly, and integrates well with the rest of Debian, I don't see why
anyone should oppose its packaging.

Whether or not it's a good MTA, the fact is that it's a *popular* MTA.
That alone should be a good reason to package it.

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Re: second notice

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 09:17:16PM +, Terence wrote:
 On 30/10/2007, Martin Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 Hey, as it's in the list's name, can't we claim this and split it
 amongst all of us on the list?

Please do not reply to spam. This is debian-curiosa, not
debian-spamtrap. If you can't resist, then please at least don't quote
the spam in full.

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Re: bugs in packages not frequently used

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 08:52:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
  We all appreciate good bug reports,
 
 Speak for yourself!

You mean you prefer crappy bugreports?

It's broken. Fix it!

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Re: (C) vs ©

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 06:53:54AM +0200, Martin Bähr wrote:
 On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 04:15:32PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
   And what if you have an old-fashioned typewriter. It's all very well
   saying you must use the copyright symbol, but what if your
   golfball/daisywheel/lineprinter doesn't have it? Or like me, it isn't on
   my keyboard, and I haven't learnt how to make my keyboard produce a
   copyright symbol?
  Just get a Unicode typewriter. The keyboard is a little bigger, but you'll 
  get used to it.
 
 here is an idea how it might look like:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/absurdistan/340737421/

That's not a Unicode typewriter, that's a Chinese typewriter. To have a
Unicode typewriter, you'd also need to be able to write Japanese (in
Kanji, Katakana *and* Hiragana), Korean, Arab, Latin, Hebrew, various
Cyrillic scripts, and Klingon. To name but a few scripts.

Yeah, it'll be a little bigger. I don't think I'd want to build it,
though.

(side note: I once saw a picture of a Japanese Kanji keyboard one some
website, but I've lost the link. That was way more impressive than your
Chinese typewriter -- a 1.5m x 1.5m tableau or some such, IIRC...)

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Re: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:34:00PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
 Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
  
  KINDEST REGARDS,
 
Matthew, get out of that body, right now !
 
 That'd be more like Branden, actually. It lacks words like COCK,

And UTTER.

 so this cannot be Matthew.

True.

OTOH, it couldn't be Branden, either:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/irclogs/debian$ grep ' Overfiend[A-Z.! ]*$' 
\#debian-devel.log
12:04  Overfiend UGH!
14:11  Overfiend ARGH!
14:11  Overfiend RUUUARGH
23:57  Overfiend BAHH
23:57  Overfiend BAHHH
23:58  Overfiend BAH
23:58  Overfiend HATE
23:58  Overfiend HATE
23:58  Overfiend HATE
17:10  Overfiend BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
20:54  Overfiend ARGH
20:54  Overfiend HE USES GRAVE ACCENTS AND APOSTROPHES AS PAIRED QUOTATION 
MARKS
21:19  Overfiend OH THAT IS SO HANS REISER
21:39  Overfiend FUCKING AWESOME
23:46  Overfiend IMPROPER INFLUENCE!
23:49  Overfiend BAHHH
23:49  Overfiend DEATH TO ALL DEBCONF PROMPTS
23:50  Overfiend RUUUAAHHRG
23:50  Overfiend RUUHHR
23:53  Overfiend MORONIC
04:27  Overfiend DAMN HIM
05:02  Overfiend DARE YOU.
09:26  Overfiend ICEWEASEL
09:26  Overfiend ICEWEASEL
09:39  Overfiend PERFECT
09:39  Overfiend WE CAN REGISTER OUR OWN GOD DAMN TRADEMARK
09:39  Overfiend WITH WIKIPEDIA AS OUR EVIDENCE OF PRIORITY
09:40  Overfiend THEN WE WILL SUE THEM FOR LIBEL
09:40  Overfiend AND LANHAM ACT VIOLATIONS
20:26  Overfiend GRRR
08:13  Overfiend AUUUGH
17:27  Overfiend BURN THE INFIDEL
07:26  Overfiend IMMINENT DEATH OF DEBIAN PREDICTED
08:03  Overfiend OMFG
09:31  Overfiend VMS
23:54  Overfiend BAHHH
03:29  Overfiend BWA HA
22:24  Overfiend BAH
22:33  Overfiend UGH! UGH!
13:48  Overfiend MACH SCHNELL!  MACH SCHNELL!  HALTEN SIE ODER ICH WILLEN SIE 
GESHOOTEN!
08:27  Overfiend RUAHRG
08:38  Overfiend BETTER!
07:22  Overfiend  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/irclogs/debian$

IOW, it's missing random onomatopoeia, evil laughter, and the occasional
semi-German.

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Re: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:51:08PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That'd be more like Branden, actually. It lacks words like COCK,
 
  And UTTER.
 
  so this cannot be Matthew.
 
  True.
 
  OTOH, it couldn't be Branden, either:
 [...]
  IOW, it's missing random onomatopoeia, evil laughter, and the occasional
  semi-German.
 
 Indeed, it's not a perfect match for Branden either. Something hyrid,
 inbetween the two, somewhat softer than both of them.
 
 Hmm.

What, you mean Branden and Matthew have some offspring together?

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 03:13:48AM +, s. keeling wrote:
 Have you actually used public/mass transit lately, during rush hour,
 to get from one side of a city to the other, day after day, leaving and
 arriving _reliably_ within predictable time frames?

Yes. Reliability of public transportation has everything to do with the
willingness of your politicians to actually make it ubiquitous, cheap,
and reliable.

Not that any of this is relevant to Debian, but then this is -curiosa :)

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Re: Request from Tunisia

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:46:08PM +0100, Fourat Zouari wrote:
 Hello,
 Am reprensenting a Tunisian company (TriTUX) wich is already subscribed as a
 Debian consultant.
 We're a company 100% specialized in Debian based solutions, we've got a big
 variety of customers, telecom operators, ISPs ...
 We were invited by the state to have a talk in a seminary taking place in
 Tunisia on February, 28th.
 The theme of the seminary is : There's free software, there's commercial
 software, we should'nt ingore each one's existance.
 Our mission will be to defend the Debian especially, Free world and Open
 Source philosophy generally.
 There will be Microsoft, Sun, IBM, Oracle and other giants.
 And am willing to get some help from the community, if it's possible, some
 flyers, posters, gadgets supporting Debian ...
 In other way, how can the community should help us representing it ?

There are such things, yes. However, asking on -curiosa isn't likely
going to get those to you :)

Cc and Mail-Followup-To set to debian-events-eu, for discussion stuff
about booths for Debian at European exhibitions, by lack of a better
alternative.

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Re: Sorting of Asian telefone books

[Wouter Verhelst]

 On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 10:38 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:

 Additionally, the Japanese really use four alphabets: Hiragana (for
 Japanese words or syllables that don't have a kanji character), Katakana
 (for loan words or to place emphasis), Kanji, and our latin alphabet for
 loan words that can't be written by use of katakana. Although you
 probably won't find the last one in a Japanese dictionary (though I
 can't be sure, never having seen one), you will be able to find words
 written in at least hiragana, possibly also katakana in one. These two
 alphabets contain only 104 characters, and have a particular sorting
 order.

 Both kana are syllabaries,

Right.

 not alphabets, but since they are short, you
 are correct that they are easily sorted with normal radix methods.
 That's why I didn't mention them.  The question was about names, which
 are pretty much always written with Kanji in Japanese.

I could be wrong; but I thought people were talking about dictionaries.
Those usually don't contain names...

 Katakana are satisfactory for all loan words;

No, they are not. Almost all syllables in Japanese consist of a consonant
followed by a vowel; it is impossible to write down syllables that end
with a consonant (except, perhaps, if it ends with the consonant n, but
that's a special case). For example, it's impossible to write down your
name or mine with Japanese kana -- at least if it's to be pronounced
correctly.

I'm aware that the Japanese usually write down a fair approximation for
foreign names in katakana, but sometimes that's not enough.

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Re: Hello!

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 10:21:13PM +0200, Martin Bähr wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 10:14:54PM +0200, Tobias Klauser wrote:
   Somehow this spam is appropriate to this mailinng list...
Dear , [Use the 'Insert Field' icon on the toolbar to insert the Contact
name.]
  Hey, we should have these templates for flamewar emails too.
 
 for starters, here is a template for the flaming process:
 http://bash.org/?23396

If only flames would go like that...

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Re: I want one of those!

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:12:03PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote:
 Nobody ever picked Sun over HP because the latter's website is so
 horrid.

Maybe it's because the latter's website is a rest to the eye, while the
former's website is a bitch to look at, to navigate, and to think about.

;-P

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Re: dpkg doing wrong math (0.09 = 0.9) ?- [was: dak now supports ~ in version numbers]

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:51:24PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 10:42:53AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
  I'd imagine you'd be hard pressed to find a mathematician who knows
  what to do with a number that reads 0.0.9, either.
 
 Well, I have found one. Myself. You just have to interpret the part
 after the second point as the integer part of an infinitesimal:
 
  Let ε be an infinitesimal, that is a strictly positive number
  (that is ε  0) smaller than any strictly positive real number
  (that is ∀ n ∈ ℕ, n0 implies ε  1/n ).
 
 
 Then the version number x.y.z is interpreted as:
 
  x.y + z * ε
 
 (And a.b.c.d is interpreted as a.b + c.d * ε)
[...]

It would appear you've forgotten to change the To: line to something
more appropriate, though. Done with this message ;-)

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Re: Centralized darcs

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 10:23:32AM +0200, Romain Francoise wrote:
 Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  A few years ago, we had only CVS, which sucked. And now, we have a
  gazillion of different VCSes, all different.
 
 And most of them suck too, in their own ways.

mutt, the version control system ;-)

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Re: Debian is doomed

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
 On Saturday 29 July 2006 00:54, martin f krafft wrote:
  also sprach Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [2006.07.28.2145 +0100]:
   There is nothing NEW[1] in Debian. :)
 
  Finally hands-down proof that Debian stopped innovating long ago!
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/07/msg01144.html
 
 A, finally.  The release must be close.
  * somebody started a discussion about release names recently
  * there was a recent major infrastructure failure
  * some old, old discussions (greylisting - to be honest, I didn't notice 
 any others :) resurfaced, without anything new happening
  * now we finally can start some serious Debian is doomed discussion while 
 the RM get the release out without anybody noticing.

You missed one: the release still needs to be delayed for a month while
the security team fleshes out their infrastructure ;-P

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Re: Let's not drag this into another flame war please.

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 09:14:48AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 10:49:46PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
  also sprach Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.06.28.1946 +0200]:
   [1] Meaning Enrico. Martin is not a DD and not even an NM, so
   obviously his opinion doesn't count.
  
  I am a DD, and you are so unhip I wonder why you bum hasn't fallen
  ^ ITYM your

Hey man, this is rapper-english. Grammer don't count no.

 HTH, HAND etc,

Dito.

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Re: Let's not drag this into another flame war please.

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:50:06AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 ...just to see what happens...

NOTHING is happening! This is all UNREAL!

And I am NOT going to follow UP!

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Re: apt-listbugs orphaned

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 05:01:47PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
 Scripsit Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  内部資料についてはここによくまとめてもらっています:
  http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/data/debianmeetingresume200510.pdf
 
  The referenced pdf is less legible, but you can grok its general
  meaning nevertheless.
 
 What language is that - Klingon?

Japanese.

 Or is it supposed to be a non-latin script but just triggers some xpdf
 font bug?

Likely :-)

My stderr output when I try to open that file in xpdf starts off like:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xpdf debianmeetingresume200510.pdf 
Error: Unknown character collection 'Adobe-Japan1'

So it would seem to be Japanese.

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Re: GCC 4.1 now the default GCC version for etch

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:24:35PM -0700, Blars Blarson wrote:
 (amd64 is only faster in 64-bit mode because of all the poorly
 designed x86 32-bit instruction set.)

x86 32-bit instruction set and designed in one sentence? Hah.

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Re: dak changes (names, version control, mail headers)

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:01:33AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 11:13:26PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
  Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   You killed katie, jennifer, et al.?
   Poor britney will feel so alone!
  
  After all the ranting he finaly gave in to 'Debian Women Please Pass
  Away [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and removed some women from the
  project. A sad sad day indeed. Debian has lost all sexapeal. :)
 
 Well, so here's something for you:
 
 The Ultimate Debian Wallpaper
 
 1. apt-get install gimp-resynthesize
 2. wget http://www.amayita.com/cult/20.jpg
* Seems to be down right now.  archive.org to the rescue!
 3. Cut away to transparency all non-skin parts.
 4. Make a copy, use smart remove selection to remove the swirl
(aaaw!) and the piercing.  If the result is imperfect, you can
retouch it with clone, smudge and/or smart remove selection
tools.
 5. Create a blank image the size of your desktop resolution.
 6. resynthesize: texture source = the deswirled image, texture
transfer = off
* The plugin requires an alpha channel, but won't actually use it.
* This step takes a long time.  Food time!

Have to say, this is a very nice plugin. Though the result also looks
good if you do /not/ remove the swirl and the piercing beforehand. At
least IMO, it does :-)

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Re: ammo

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 11:42:50AM +0300, Kari Pahula wrote:
 Content-Description: original message before SpamAssassin
  Resent-date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:37:13 -0500 (CDT)
  Resent-from: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org
 
  It has been showing a steady move up on increasing volume.
  So if you haven't done your DD yet, you better hurry because
 
 ... uh, that's a novel way for requesting for a sponsor.

Actually, it sounds like someone using Markov chains to get past
bayesian learners. See the dadadodo package for an implementation of the
same.

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Re: DPL Debate prepared questions list

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 05:32:20PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote:
 Thaddeus H. Black, 2006-03-18 16:00:11 +0100 :
 
  It appears that to have a Enterprise Grade Debian Distribution, we
  need a SPOC [ed.: Single Point of Contact?] team which can address
  Enterprise demands quickly.
 
   Yeah, and its members should have pointy ears and a puzzled raised
 eyebrow.

Perhaps a Kirk[1] team would be better, then? 

[1] Key Immediate Response Keepers

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Re: We should release!

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:15:10AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
 Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
  On Wednesday 04 January 2006 13:59, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
   The QA team says so:
  
   http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=not+releasing+etch
  
  http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=abusing+the+QA+web+server.
 
 http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=%3Cblink%3Eblink%3C/blink%3E

That one doesn't work. It's not /that/ bad :-)

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We should release!

[Wouter Verhelst]

The QA team says so:

http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?excuse=not+releasing+etch

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Re: change email address for all debian ml

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 07:56:55PM -0200, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) 
wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 On 11/20/2005 07:40 PM, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 09:29:13PM +0100, Jorge Salamero Sanz wrote:
 is there any way to change the email address for all debian mailing lists ?
  
  We like them how they are thanks...
 
   I understood the question in a different way. IMHO, looks like that
 Jorge wants to know it is it possible to change his e-mail address for all
 Debian mailing lists. :)

Sure -- but this _is_ debian-curiosa after all ;-)

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Re: most consistently geeky award?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 02:36:29PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
 http://www.extremetech.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=s=200a=158083po=6,00.asp
 
 has a picture of Debian's recent LWCE booth, with a somewhat amusing
 caption. :-)  BTW, anyone know who's in the picture?  I'm pretty sure
 the guy standing up in the black T-shirt is Jeremy Bouse, but I can't
 identify the others.

The guy with the long hair at the left looks a lot like Don Armstrong.

I don't recognise any of the other, either.

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Re: Debian parody

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 08:39:24PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:03:36PM -0300, Fabricio segfault Cannini said:
  
  KDE: 
  'cause there's no G in DESKTOP.
 
 And no K in GNU.

You know what, there's a 'G' in 'google'. Two of them, actually. And we
all know what the most important site on the web is, right?

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Re: FW by tarass.ho...@laposte.net : debian c'est plus fort que toi

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 01:42:47PM +0200, Jesús Roncero wrote:
 On Thursday, 26 de May de 2005 11:02, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
  It's more likely that the system's firmware battery was drained or so,
  so that the date was set to something way off base.
 
 Yeah, that happens to me every once in a while on my ibook. The date
 points to 1900 

ITYM 1904

 and when ntpdate sets it back, it fscks the hard disk printing the
 same message. 

Yeah. Now, call yourself lucky that you're talking about an iBook here,
and not about a Centris 650 with an 18G hard disk, because then you're
in for an fsck run which will take 90 minutes. As has happened to me a
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Re: eDrugs Online

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 08:56:26AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote:
 On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 01:01:44PM +0700, Alec said:
  ePills
  http://[snip]
 
 eDrugs?  Whatever happened to the good old fashioned meatspace drugs?

You can't get h1g|-| from those.

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Re: OT: macs?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 03:22:21PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
 Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Jens Peter Secher wrote:
 
  Shouldn't that be
   
Windows is like a prostitute.  Sure it's got a nice make up,
 but you have all kinds of vira after spending some time with it.
 
  No, it shouldn't be, or the Latin scholars will take revenge on you.
 
  [sending to -curiosa where this belongs]
 
 Actually, you're wrong, Anthony.
 
 The Latin plural of virus is, actually, vira.  Sorry for the news.

I've been told that the original, literal, meaning for the latin word
'virus' is something akin to 'slime', which doesn't even /have/ a plural
form.

Don't know whether that's true, though -- I did get some Latin when I
was 13 years old, but that's ages ago.

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Re: Pope vs. Sarge

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 01:35:17PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 05:51:41PM +0200, Alexander Schmehl said:
  
  Everytime a RC-bug is submitted, you can see black smoke rising from the
  machine hosting bugs.debian.org :)
 
 Also, God kills a kitten.

Let's go start filing RC bugs then.

(dogs are much nicer animals, who do /not/ have the ugly habit of
walking over one's keyboard)
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Re: unsubscribe

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 01:05:44PM +0200, Demonen wrote:
 Fredrik Demonen Vold
 /*
 - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and
 good with ketchup.
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I resent the idea that I would be crunchy.

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Re: Pope vs. Sarge

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 11:20:39PM +0200, Sebastian Raible wrote:
 Hi,
 
 something from #debian.de on Freenode today :)
 
 @1113934867 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .oO( mit 'nem 78
 jährigen Papst werden wohl die Releasezeiten jetzt auch verkürzt... die
 Frage ist: zuerst ein neuer Papst oder Sarge? )
 
 It basically means: Since the new pope's already 78, they would seem to
 shorten the time between releases.. the question is, which will be
 first, a new pope or sarge?

Well, Sarge. Unless Benedictus XVI has the same problem as John Paul I.

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Re: logo enlargement

[Wouter Verhelst]

Op di, 08-02-2005 te 01:16 +, schreef Paul Brossier:
 On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:20:56PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
  Op ma, 07-02-2005 te 05:38 +, schreef Paul Brossier:
   http://nautilus.org/images/logo.gif
  
  IANAL, but I'd say this is not an infringement. It's not our logo, even
  if it remotely looks like, and could be based on, our logo. We can't go
  and say that all swirls are now 0wned by the Debian Project...
 
 erm, no, but this is -curiosa right, not -legal ?! who's talking
 about infringement here ? fun: maybe; threat: NO!

Uh, yes. Indeed. Sorry :-)

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Re: german debian mirror with 700mb paris.avi file...

[Wouter Verhelst]

Op zo, 30-01-2005 te 20:32 +, schreef Pigeon:
 BTW I'm assuming this is a video of someone in a fast car or bike
 bombing round the Paris ring road?

Don't you receive any SPAM? There's some private video thing of Paris
Hilton and her boyfriend circulating on the Internet, which is
probably /not/ material appropriate for minors.

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Re: german debian mirror with 700mb paris.avi file...

[Wouter Verhelst]

Op ma, 31-01-2005 te 17:14 +0100, schreef Alexander Schmehl:
 * Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050131 15:38]:
   BTW I'm assuming this is a video of someone in a fast car or bike
   bombing round the Paris ring road?
  Don't you receive any SPAM?
 
 Wow, after more than 9 years my search is finally over!  I find someone
 who is reading his SPAM!

Only as necessary to create new filters ;-)

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Re: Give your partner more pleasure

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 06:32:40PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 01:54:58PM -0700, Cometman said:
  
  You'll pay twice as much in taxes, but your medicine will be free.
  
  ..some (dare I say, many?) people in those countries feel it's a good
  deal.  Some people in less socialistic countries feel their deal is
 
 Didn't say it wasn't a good deal; just implied that you pay for it
 either way.  The folks who characterize their health care as free are
 usually trying to make some kind of point that doesn't take into account
 the fact that they're paying for it just like we do; they're just
 sending the check to a different building.

Not necessarily true.

In Belgium, an employee pays 13.07% of his wage to social security.
That's 13.07% which goes off of his or her paycheck. Apart from that,
you also pay 'regular' taxes -- these depend on the number of mouths you
have to feed, but if you live alone, you pay a hell of a lot more taxes
than you pay for social security.

The employer has to pay a bunch of social security, too. How much is
payed there depends on what kind of work you do and how much employees
the employer has, but (a) it isn't something the employee pays, and (b)
the extra which the employer has to pay isn't necessarily linearly
based on the number of employees.

In other words, social security in Belgium is mostly paid by employers,
not by employees.

Of course, that doesn't help if you've got your own business, in which
case you have to pay quite a bit of social insurance yourself; but that
is a different matter entirely.

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Re: DooM3 Binaries!

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 10:02:20PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
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 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 01:14:35PM +0200, Demonen wrote:
  Yeah, I know it's old news (about 10 hours), but here she goes:
  
  http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
   
 
  Does that mean their translation is crap?
 
 No, it's a video game reference.

Obviously. A reference to a video game of which the translation to
English was absolute crap.

You gotta learn to understand a joke ;-)

[reference to 'All Your Base' removed]

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Re: DooM3 Binaries!

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On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 01:14:35PM +0200, Demonen wrote:
 Yeah, I know it's old news (about 10 hours), but here she goes:
 
 http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
 

Does that mean their translation is crap?

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Re: dueling banjo music

[Wouter Verhelst]

Op za 15-05-2004, om 13:29 schreef Bas Zoetekouw:
 Hi Joachim!
 
 You wrote:
 
 http://www.muziekzetter.be/free/dueling_banjos.pdf
 
Shouldn't we put this on www.debian.org?
 
   Is it DFSG compliant?
 
  It says Public Domain at the end. So it is DFSG free in
  copyright-states. Don't know how we handle this in droit-d'auteur
  states.
 
 So for those of you who are reading this and google and who are
 searching for sheet music for guitars or banjos or similar musical
 instruments, of Duelling Banjos or Dueling Banjos or just a singular
 Dueling Banjo, DEBIAN DOES NOT PROVIDE IT.  THERE IS NU USE IN
 CONTACTING US.  
 Instead, you can get the sheet music at the url above.

We should make sure this gets at the top of the list whenever someone
enters dueling banjos on google.

dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling
banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos
dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling
banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos
dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling
banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos
dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling
banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos
dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling
banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos dueling banjos.

There. That ought to do it.

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Re: Red-Handed SCO ?

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:36:16AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
 [Please avoid posting messages that aren't about Debian development to
 -devel. Moved to -curiosa, although -project or -legal would probably be
 OK too.]
 
 On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:44:41AM +0200, Jos? Luis Tall?n wrote:
  http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9952
  
  OK, it's the inquirer
  
  
  It it was proved to be true, shouldn't we *all* Linux users ( as well as 
  Stallman plus the FSF as a whole ) sue SCO for copyright infringement ???
  That could be *quite funny* g g
 
 I can't see any basis for the Inquirer's claim that anyone with a copy
 of Linux could sue. If SCO copied GPLed code into UnixWare, then the GPL
 only requires them to provide the source to those to whom they
 distribute object code or executable form, not to the whole world. (It
 can't restrict those people from passing on the source either, but
 that's another step further on.)

Actually, the GPL does require that. Section 3, concerning distributing
object code, gives you the choice of either accompanying it with source
code, or 'with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give
*any third party* [...] a complete machine-readable copy of the
corresponding code.' The third option (to pass on the received written
offer) is only valid for non-commercial redistribution, which is not
what's being done here.

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