Bug#955392: ITP: erlgrind -- Convert Erlang fprof output to callgring output

2020-03-30 Thread Pierre Thierry
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre Thierry 

* Package name: elgrind
  Version : n/a
  Upstream Author : Isac Sacchi e Souza 
* URL : https://github.com/isacssouza/erlgrind
* License : BSD-2-Clause
  Programming Lang: Erlang
  Description : Convert Erlang fprof output to callgring output

This escript makes it possible to use fprof data with the existing cachgrind
toolchain (like visualization in kcachegrind…)


Service stopping in prerm considered harmful

2008-03-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
For the nth time, I have a package that dpkg is unable to remove because
it tries to stop a service that either is already stopped (I didn't want
it) or couldn't start at all. In the former case, the fix seems simple:
start the service and remove the package. But sometimes starting the
service may have undesirable outcomes on the system, or the stop action
will fail in some way.

In either case, when you can't get a successful stop action for the
service init.d script, the package is impossible to remove without human
action, and not a simple one, because you need to be able to hack the
maintainer scripts or the init.d script.

Shouldn't the maintainer script actually ensure that the service is not
running, instead of just triggering the stop action and checking its
exit code? Something like (it's pseudo-code, because the status action
of init.d scripts prints text, it doesn't seem to give machine-friendly
data):


# if it's running, stop it
if(status(service) == running) {
stop(service);
}
# if now it's still running, something's wrong
if(status(service) == running) {
exit 1;
}
# proceed...


Annoyingly,
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SELinux overhead

2008-03-21 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Is there available data about the overhead of enforcing various SELinux
policies?

Quantitatively,
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Re: Long-term mass bug filing for crossbuild support

2007-11-21 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Neil Williams dies 13/11/2007 hora 17:02:
 If you want to build an ARM toolchain to crossbuild for amd64 I'm not
 going to stop you but don't expect me to debug it!!

But do your tools make it already possible for me to just ask for the
build of toolchains for an arbitrary list of target architectures, from
an arbitrary host architecture?

I can well understand why you don't want the N*N-N packages or sets of
packages in the official Debian archive, but it would be great if the
tools make it possible to build them. There's also the fact that it
could be useful for ports not in the released ones.

In any case, thanks to all developers from Embdebian! That's a great
project.

Curiously,
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Re: Long-term mass bug filing for crossbuild support

2007-11-13 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Neil Williams dies 11/11/2007 hora 12:44:
 Emdebian supports amd64, i386 and powerpc as --build.

Why aren't all architectures supported by Debian supported?

Curiously,
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Re: crossbuild support: help2man considered harmful

2007-11-10 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 09/11/2007 hora 22:53:
 BTW, there is another package which does this, and which is likely to
 cause you much more trouble: python. The build system compiles the
 modules using the generated python binary.

This is a classical problem in bootstrapping a language implemented in
itself. Providing an automated way to make an arbitrary bootstrap in
Debian would be useful.

Quickly,
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Re: Terminé

2007-11-02 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit ciol dies 27/10/2007 hora 22:27:
 Donc ne m'attendez pas.

Ouf, on peut recommencer à travailler.

Productivement,
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Accepted bordeaux-threads 0.0.2-1 (source all)

2007-10-29 Thread Pierre THIERRY
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Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:23:55 +0200
Source: bordeaux-threads
Binary: cl-bordeaux-threads
Architecture: source all
Version: 0.0.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 cl-bordeaux-threads - Portable shared-state concurrency for Common Lisp
Closes: 444911
Changes: 
 bordeaux-threads (0.0.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release. (Closes: #444911)
Files: 
 51cfa6e3e89fc6b2e77ca819bd82217e 642 libs optional bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1.dsc
 211be1ec2970e67791b62cdc1609f071 11842 libs optional 
bordeaux-threads_0.0.2.orig.tar.gz
 6cbde27418d182a171e918de85c3f782 1351 libs optional 
bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1.diff.gz
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Accepted:
bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/b/bordeaux-threads/bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1.diff.gz
bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1.dsc
  to pool/main/b/bordeaux-threads/bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1.dsc
bordeaux-threads_0.0.2.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/b/bordeaux-threads/bordeaux-threads_0.0.2.orig.tar.gz
cl-bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/b/bordeaux-threads/cl-bordeaux-threads_0.0.2-1_all.deb


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Bug#446971: ITP: zpb-exif -- Common Lisp package to access EXIF metadata

2007-10-16 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: zpb-exif
  Version : 1.0
  Upstream Author : Zachary Beane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.xach.com/lisp/zpb-exif/
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: Common Lisp
  Description : Common Lisp package to access EXIF metadata

EXIF is a standard for embedding information in an image file created by
a digital camera. ZPB-EXIF is a library that makes Exif data accessible
to Common Lisp programs.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (502, 'stable'), (501, 'unstable'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.21-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Michael Biebl dies 12/10/2007 hora 15:06:
  - For packages where orphaning was proposed: 50 days
  - For packages where removal was proposed: 100 days
 As sune suggested, 1 and 2 months would be enough imo.

As a compromise, the delay to orphan a package could be set to 1 month
when there is someone actively wanting to adopt it, 2 months otherwise.
The delay for removal shouldn't be less than 3 months.

Chronologically,
Pierre
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Re: Testing parallel builds

2007-10-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Manoj Srivastava dies 09/10/2007 hora 00:04:
 It is kinda scary that my typical ./debian/rules has a minimum of 61
 targets, and that is just the base number.  But it sure makes for
 pretty pictures :)

How did you generate those dependency graphs, BTW? I didn't find
anything relevant in the reverse dependencies of graphviz...

Curiously,
Pierre
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Re: wxwidgets 2.8 needs help !

2007-10-04 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Roberto C. Sánchez dies 04/10/2007 hora 18:13:
  wxWidgets has been released a long time ago and we're still missing
  it.
 Yes, though for a good [1] reason.

Sure, wxwidgets has numerous bugs, but is it that surprising for a
library package that much used? (i.e. would such a backlog of bugs
prevent any other library packager to upload a new upstream into
Debian?)

 It is not really a question of building or packaging it.  That, as you
 realize is quite easy.  The problem is wxwidgets' dozens of reverse
 dependencies.

Shouldn't then the package be uploaded to experimental for interactions
with the reverse dependencies to be checked?

Curiously,
Pierre
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Re: Firefox bugs mass-closed.

2007-10-03 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Pierre Habouzit dies 02/10/2007 hora 20:16:
 Confirmed is not versionned. The fact that it was confirmed at one
 point does not means that the bug is still here.

Wouldn't a generic found-by be useful? Then the bug could contain the
information about not only the versions where the bug was found, but
also by who. For the maintainer, confirming a bug is adding the info
that he too found the bug at a current version.

Generically,
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Re: Firefox bugs mass-closed.

2007-10-03 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Pierre Habouzit dies 03/10/2007 hora 21:49:
 *g* found exists and is versionned, since sth like a year now. if not
 two.

But is the submitter of the found information made easily available?
At least it's not shown anywhere in the version graph.

Curiously,
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Re: Packaging a library that requires cross-compiled code

2007-10-02 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 02/10/2007 hora 10:06:
  Because it proves that we are fully self-hosting, and the main
  reason _not_ to do it is the fear that we might _not_ actually be
  self-hosting.  Which is something I believe we've promised our
  users, implicitly if not explicitly.
 Given that especially autoconf introduces serious incompatibilities
 between minor releases, this is simply not feasible because it would
 trigger hundreds of FTBFS errors each time a new autoconf version is
 uploaded.

Shouldn't those bugs just be corrected, and would a similar number of
bugs still be triggered with the next version?

Curiously,
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Bug#444912: ITP: mt19937 -- Common Lisp portable Mersenne Twister random number generator

2007-10-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: mt19937
  Version : 1.1
  Upstream Author : Douglas T. Crosher and Raymond Toy
* URL : http://www.cliki.net/MT19937
* License : Public Domain
  Programming Lang: Common Lisp
  Description : Common Lisp portable Mersenne Twister random number 
generator

MT19937 is a portable Mersenne Twister random number generator. It is
mainly a modification of CMUCL's random number generator with all the
CMUCL-specific parts taken out.

It is faster than the JMT Mersenne Twister implementation, but
significantly slower than native random number generators provided by
major Common Lisp implementations. For light use this shouldn't be a
problem, since it is still very fast.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (502, 'stable'), (501, 'unstable'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.21-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Bug#444910: ITP: cl-vectors -- Rasterizer and paths manipulation library for Common Lisp

2007-10-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: cl-vectors
  Version : 0.1.3
  Upstream Author : Frédéric Jolliton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://projects.tuxee.net/cl-vectors/
* License : LLGPL
  Programming Lang: Common Lisp
  Description : Rasterizer and paths manipulation library for Common Lisp

This package provides the following libraries:

cl-paths is a basic vectorial paths library. Paths can be described by 4
types of interpolations, including Bezier curves of any degree, and
Catmull-Rom splitens.

Some path transformations are included. There is stroking, dashing and
clipping transformations available. But none of these transformation are
implemented perfectly, in the sense that algorithms used in the library
are rather simples.

cl-paths-ttf uses the zpb-ttf library to create paths from glyphs or
string from a given TTF font file.

cl-aa is an anti-aliasing library.

cl-aa-misc is library to render, save, load and display PNM images.

cl-vectors includes systems cl-paths and cl-aa, and also provides a
function to use the former with the latter.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (502, 'stable'), (501, 'unstable'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.21-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Bug#444911: ITP: bordeaux-threads -- Portable shared-state concurrency for Common Lisp

2007-10-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: bordeaux-threads
  Version : 0.0.2
  Upstream Author : Greg Pfeil
* URL : http://common-lisp.net/project/bordeaux-threads/
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Common Lisp
  Description : Portable shared-state concurrency for Common Lisp

BORDEAUX-THREADS is a proposed standard for a minimal MP/Threading
interface.

It essentially provides a compatibility layer for multi-threading
accross multiple CL implementations.

Some parts of it's implementation-specific code can also be implemented
in a Lisp that does not support multiple threads, so that thread-safe
code can be compiled on both multithread and single-thread
implementations without need of conditionals.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (502, 'stable'), (501, 'unstable'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.21-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Bug#444729: ITP: vecto -- Simple Vector Drawing with Common Lisp

2007-09-30 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: vecto
  Version : 1.0.1
  Upstream Author : Zachary Beane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.xach.com/lisp/vecto/
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: Common Lisp
  Description : Simple Vector Drawing with Common Lisp

Vecto is a simplified interface to the powerful CL-VECTORS vector
rasterization library. It presents a function-oriented interface similar
to CL-PDF, but the results can be saved to a PNG instead of a PDF file.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (502, 'stable'), (501, 'unstable'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.21-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Bug#444778: ITP: cl-salza-png -- Common Lisp package to write PNG

2007-09-30 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: cl-salza-png
  Version : 1.0
  Upstream Author : Zachary Beane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.xach.com/lisp/salza-png.tgz
* License : BSD
  Programming Lang: Common Lisp
  Description : Common Lisp package to write PNG

The salza-png software is a standalone version of the PNG writer from
the salza examples directory.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (502, 'stable'), (501, 'unstable'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'stable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.21-2-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

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Re: Gestion du développemen t des package Debian

2007-07-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Raphael Hertzog dies 06/07/2007 hora 14:11:
 Malheureusement, il n'est pas clair que le travail d'empaquetage des
 logiciels se découpe d'une quelconque manière. 

Je vois bien un certain nombre d'activités séparables :

- l'adaptation du paquet upstream en paquet Debian,
- le suivi d'upstream et la mise à jour du paquet Debian,
- la correction des bugs du paquet upstream vis-à-vis des critères de
  Debian (ex.: FHS, manpages),
- l'intégration upstream des corrections venant de Debian (ou
  l'intégration des spécificités Debian, accessibles
  conditionnellement),
- la traduction,
- le triage des bugs,
- la recherche et la sollication de personnes compétentes sur les bugs,
- la correction des bugs.

Il y en a probablement au moins encore une ou deux. À toutes celles-ci
s'ajoute le travail de coordination : communication sur le ou les
paquets, motivation des troupes, formation des nouveaux, coordination du
travail sur les groupes de paquets, etc.

Tout cela peut amplement bénéficier d'outils automatisés de gestion. Le
devrait, dirais-je, si on est vraiment malins.

Diversement,
Pierre
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Re: invitation de Debian aux JRES 2007

2007-07-03 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Sam Hocevar dies 03/07/2007 hora 01:56:
 Si ça intéresse quelqu'un de représenter le projet là-bas, faites-le
 moi savoir.

Étant déjà sur place, ça me tente. Je ne devrais pas avoir de mal à
bloquer une journée pour ça. Par contre, je n'ai pas de matos pour un
stand...

Localement,
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Re: Use of Breaks dependencies

2007-06-29 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Ian Jackson dies 29/06/2007 hora 14:28:
 I think it's a bug that we try to do upgrades from release A to B
 using A's packaging tools.

In most case, IME, it worked. In the cases where we know it won't,
couldn't the packaging tools be notified of the issue (much like the
requires file of Mercurial repositories), upgrade themselves and
continue operations with the new version?

Curiously,
Pierre
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Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-18 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Greg Folkert dies 18/05/2007 hora 18:42:
  It's so sad that these OT posters are driving away people like you.
  [...]
 I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away.

I guess not. It was explicitly acknowledged that killfiling OT posters
would prevent reading their useful posts, so the intent here seems
clearly to keep everyone and just slow down the pace of OT postings.

Calmly,
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Re: Feature request for GnuPG crypted Debian packages

2007-04-28 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Michelle Konzack dies 25/04/2007 hora 20:44:
  I think you're targetting the wrong layer of the system. If many
  packages contain so much sensitive data, it would be easier to
  encrypt a tarball or part of a FS where packages are read.
 The packages are in general on the Server!

Could you be more precise? First ISTR you talked about a CD with
sensitive data. Now there's a package server. The two scenario are
completely different, and call for completely different protection
schemes, I'd say.

  As far as D-I is concerned, you could probably easily add a udeb to
  deal with decrypting and unpacking of that senstive part, and leave
  apt and dpkg untouched.
 You mean, put the crypred tarball into the DEB?

No. I mean you could have an encrypted tarball on the debian installer
CD, and that tarball could be unpacked by a compononent of the
installer. The debian packages in the tarball would then be reachable by
apt and dpkg in a totally normal way (you could either add another
source or use some union FS).

  On the other hand, if not all the Debian package is sensitive, you
  better be encrypting data inside it, and have the application or an
  helper decrypt it when needed, maybe in maintainer scripts.
 I was trying this too, but Sometimes I get conflicts with Packages
 containing the same files.

Then your files are probably at the wrong place, and the packages
probably aren't FHS compliant. Correct them before enhancing dpkg to
work around the issue.

Quickly,
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Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-04-24 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Daniel Jacobowitz dies 23/04/2007 hora 16:19:
 Another possible way to change glibc would be to have libc6-dbg
 contain full debug symbols, libc6-dev contain -g1 symbols only, and
 have the -dbg divert the -dev.

Why not do that for every library?

Curiously,
Pierre
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Re: Feature request for GnuPG crypted Debian packages

2007-04-24 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Michelle Konzack dies 24/04/2007 hora 16:40:
 I would suggest to add a new header like Crypted: gpg_key and then
 crypt the data.tar.gz (in the Debian package).

I think you're targetting the wrong layer of the system. If many
packages contain so much sensitive data, it would be easier to encrypt a
tarball or part of a FS where packages are read.

As far as D-I is concerned, you could probably easily add a udeb to deal
with decrypting and unpacking of that senstive part, and leave apt and
dpkg untouched.

On the other hand, if not all the Debian package is sensitive, you
better be encrypting data inside it, and have the application or an
helper decrypt it when needed, maybe in maintainer scripts.

Alternatively,
Pierre
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Accepted zpb-ttf 0.7-2 (source all)

2007-04-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
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Format: 1.7
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:52:30 +0100
Source: zpb-ttf
Binary: cl-zpb-ttf
Architecture: source all
Version: 0.7-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 cl-zpb-ttf - TTF parser
Changes: 
 zpb-ttf (0.7-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Corrected debhelper dependency
Files: 
 dfd25e1f750bd2b8d632435bb207a940 600 libs optional zpb-ttf_0.7-2.dsc
 6eea38e0207eb56b688725f03b726c7e 47022 libs optional zpb-ttf_0.7.orig.tar.gz
 e21dddcd22dd5ef9e1c2b7e2eb544423 1811 libs optional zpb-ttf_0.7-2.diff.gz
 9eadf919016120b7b0e4abd1c5dde2ac 48862 libs optional cl-zpb-ttf_0.7-2_all.deb

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Re: What's needed to integrate backports at full scale

2007-04-15 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Raphael Hertzog dies 15/04/2007 hora 14:07:
 The automatic dependency are mostly right and they are not a problem
 if a simple recompilation replaces them with a dependency that works
 within stable.

In the cases where this is only a matter of a simple recompilation,
maybe we should just make it easier for this recompilation to happen.
Maybe we just need to use existing tools in a clearly documented way,
and explain to maintainers where the corner cases are.

A maintainer could first do as usual, and build the package in sid, with
automated dependencies on packages currently in Sid. Then, by
incrementing the Debian revision of the package, he could do various
rebuilds (or the build daemons could do them), going back in time. In
current testing, then in stable, maybe even in oldstable. Maybe the CUT
releases could also become interesting targets.

 However as you know, there's rarely something like simple
 recompilation to backport a package because:
 (1) the build-dependency require a package which is not in stable
 (2) the generated package depends on packages which are not in stable

Are there numbers about the ratio of packages that would only need
recompilation?

Curiously,
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Re: Draft spec for new dpkg triggers feature (v2, repost)

2007-04-15 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Ian Jackson dies 10/04/2007 hora 19:27:
 If the central package finds problems with the leaf package data it is
 usually more correct for only the inidividual leaf package to be
 recorded as not properly installed.  There is not currently any way to
 do this and there are no plans to provide one.

As a user, I expect to find it very annoying if one package can easily
break havoc for many others.

For any trigger that will only deal with files where each file is
produced by a single package, maybe we should consider an error
reporting protocol by which the trigger can report to dpkg the faulting
files (when it is able to do so). With those files, dpkg should be able
to figure which packages are properly configured and which are not, WRT
this trigger.

As I don't have any knowledge of dpkg's internals, I'm not sure what
such an error protocol could be. Maybe we could pass a FIFO to the
trigger and it could write null-terminated file names in it.

Erroneously,
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Mozilla renames: is Debian the only one?

2007-04-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
I was wondering, as I did not find any clear info on the subject by
Googling: is Debian the only distro that renamed the Mozilla packages?
If not, which ones?

Curiously,
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Re: Debian Development environments.

2007-04-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Andrea Bolognani dies 12/04/2007 hora 18:01:
 I think a live CD aimed at developers would be quite useless.  But
 feel free to correct me.

The Université Jussieu (Paris) found it useful. They distribute a live
CD based on Knoppix to the students, called Juppix:

http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/juppix/

Not every developer knows how to find the packages that would satisfy
his needs. We should care about our users if we can help, and having
some tasks or meta-packages about programming would be quite useful.

Maybe we need something more elaborate for them to choose, with
questions like:

What environments are you targetting:
- GTK+
- Qt
- like I care

What languages do you want to use:
- C
- C++
- Perl
- Python
- Common Lisp
- etc.

Curiously,
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Re: Bug#415862: ITP: why -- A software verification tool

2007-04-04 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Samuel Mimram dies 22/03/2007 hora 18:10:
 * Package name: why

That's great! I had begun to play a bit with why, but having it as an
official Debian package will make it easier. As I'm beginning to do some
packaging, if you ever need it, I'd gladly help (packaging a new
upstream, triaging bugs, etc.).

Provably
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Re: many rejects (Re: Second call for votes for the debian project leader election 2007)

2007-04-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Steve Langasek dies 01/04/2007 hora 13:09:
 Hrm, is there really an RFC that specifies encryption before signing?

AFAIK, the RFC specifies how to build an encrypted MIME body and a
signed body. When you want both, you can either store a signed body in
the encrypted one, or an encrypted and signed PGP data as an encrypted
body...

 That would violate the expectation that people other than the intended
 recipient of the mail should not be able to verify the source.

Which provides you with repudiability for non-recipients, which can be
an expectation too.

Differently,
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Re: Changelogs for unofficial packages

2007-03-31 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Magnus Holmgren dies 31/03/2007 hora 14:34:
 Have there been any discussion about adding a field to the Release and/or 
 Packages files pointing at e.g. changelogs, so that aptitude etc. could 
 display those for packages from unofficial repositories as well?

Maybe it would be worth designing a generic metadata architecture for
package repositories.

Curiously,
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EM64T announcement and Linus (was Re: Compiling Debs on AMD vs. Intel and 32bit vs. 64bit)

2007-03-21 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Peter Samuelson dies 17/03/2007 hora 03:29:
 Linus Torvalds read Intel's announcement and was a bit disgusted that
 Intel tried as hard as they could to imply (without actually saying
 so) that the architecture was their own invention 

Would you have any reference to this?

Curiously,
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Huge cache dirs in $HOME

2007-03-13 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Hi,

I just discovered today that some packages can store pretty huge cache
data in my $HOME, and found that rather problematic. When I backup my
home, I don't want to waste backup space or time to do it, because I
have to check what eats space and tell if it's cache data.

Couldn't such packages, like beagle and tracker, just use the standard
directory for that purpose, like specified in XDG's basedir?

That would be very helpful, I find.

Could it be made mandatory, for packages that produce rather big caches,
like indexing tools?

Separately,
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Re: debian-private and Gmail

2006-12-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Andreas Tille dies 06/12/2006 hora 14:09:
  Please ignore paranoid people.
 To be honest you have to regard any nonencrypted mail as world
 readable and you can be nearly sure that all your mails are recorded
 at a place where you have no control over it.

I thought that very few ISP have really the will and disk space to
record everything that comes from and to their cusotmers. The real
problem with Google seems to be that 1) they have all the infrastructure
needed to keep and use it 2) they clearly state that they will keep
everything.

Shouldn't that make a difference?

Curiously,
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Automatic bootstrap?

2006-11-28 Thread Pierre THIERRY
As I just installed an amd64 system, I discovered that the cmucl is not
already available for that port. If I'm not mistaken, cmucl needs some
manual bootstrapping.

Wouldn't it be useful to make it possible for a package needing
bootstrap to specify it, so that an unattended bootstrap be possible,
e.g. on a buildd?

If yes, has it already been tried?

Curiously,
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Re: Rappel pour les traduct ions gérées par les maintainers

2006-05-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Thomas Huriaux dies 22/05/2006 hora 01:03:
 nous avons au fil du temps établi une série de choix (qu'il serait
 trop long de documenter)

La l10n serait-elle de la magie noire ? Depuis quand la complexité d'un
sujet justifie-t-elle de ne pas le documenter ?! J'ai toujours pensé
qu'il en allait justement tout autrement : plus c'est complexe, plus on
a intérêt à proprement et rigoureusement documenter...

S'il en était de même partout dans Debian, ce serait proprement
ingérable. Et si un mainteneur veut rédiger tout seul son français,
pourquoi ne pourrait-il pas, au même titre qu'il n'a pas à faire relire
obligatoirement son code, ses Makefiles ou quoi que ce soit d'autre ?

Étonnamment,
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Re: Encore une question sur les transitions de libs

2006-01-26 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Steve Langasek dies 23/01/2006 hora 01:33:
 Dans quelle sense sont-ils paquets de transition?

Si j'ai bien compris, une fois la transition terminée, des paquets
entreront l'archive sans le suffixe, non ? J'en viens d'ailleurs à une
question que j'aurais du poser depuis longtemps : existe-t-il une
documentation sur les méthodes de transitions de bilbiothèques dans
Debian ?

S'il n'y en a pas, j'aimerais beaucoup aider à la rédiger.

 Et il est déjà assez difficile de réaliser une telle transition sans
 faire des corrections aux descriptions de paquet au même temps.

Ne faut-il pas déjà modifier le fichier control pour changer les
dépendances ? Cela couterait-il vraiment beaucoup de rajouter une ligne
dans le champ Description ?

Quelque chose du genre :

Package: kdelibs4c2a
Version: 4:3.4.3-2
Description: core libraries for all KDE applications
 This package contains all the shared libraries used by all KDE
 applications. You need these libraries to run KDE applications.
 .
 This package is part of KDE, and a component of the KDE libraries
 module. See the 'kde' and 'kdelibs' packages for more information.
 .
 This is the kdelibs4 package for the C++ new allocator transition.

Peut-être avec une URI où est la transition est expliquée en détails :

 This is the kdelibs4 package for the C++ new allocator transition. See
 http://www.debian.org/devel/transitions/c2a for more informations.

 Tenez compte que pour ceux qui installent etch, la transition n'a rien à
 voir; ils sont simplement les versions courrants des bibliothèques...

Oui, mais la présence de paquets qui ne sont pas encore passés aux
dépendences de la transition rend soit les nouveaux soit les anciens
impossibles à installer (puisque kdelibs4c2a est en conflit avec
kdelibs4 et kdelibsc2).

Pendant les deux dernières transitions, aptitude, lorsque je lançais un
upgrade ou installait certains nouveaux paquets, me proposait de
supprimer une énorme partie de mes paquets installés, à cause de cela.
J'étais forcé, pour mettre quand même à jour ma machine, de mettre à
jour les paquets un à un, manuellement, pour ne mettre à jour que ceux
qui ne causaient pas de conflit.

Laborieusement,
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Encore une question sur les transitions de libs

2006-01-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Avant de comprendre puis de me tenir au courant des transitions, je ne
captais jamais pourquoi apparaissaient des paquets avec un c102 ou ce
genre de suffixe.

Étant donné que ce sera également le cas de 99,99% des utilisateurs qui
tomberont sur un upgrade qui foire, je ne comprends pas pourquoi ces
paquets de transition de mentionnent pas qu'ils le soient dans la
description du paquet...

Curieusement,
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Re: Processed: Changed address

2005-11-20 Thread Pierre THIERRY
reassign 206293 mozilla-browser
reassign 173206 emacs21
reassign 202620 mozilla-browser
reassign 203700 ssh
reassign 246678 debtags
reassign 248664 bind9
reassign 173494 vim-gtk
reassign 199709 mutt
reassign 241866 jzip
reassign 248501 gman
reassign 206374 xml-resume-library
reassign 266021 ifupdown
reassign 201639 wnpp
reassign 204606 wnpp
reassign 205024 purity
reassign 206931 wnpp
reassign 212022 netrik
reassign 229715 general
reassign 248526 gman
reassign 248529 groff
reassign 264108 lxr
reassign 217899 argouml
reassign 206390 libxalan2-java
reassign 217878 argouml
reassign 224383 vim
reassign 192422 wnpp
reassign 198826 wnpp
reassign 198828 wnpp
reassign 198829 wnpp
reassign 204472 wnpp
reassign 204475 wnpp
reassign 212343 wnpp
reassign 221795 wnpp
reassign 221796 wnpp
reassign 221798 wnpp
reassign 235729 wnpp
reassign 184482 lynx
thanks

Sorry for the annoyance, I used reassign instead of submitter by
mistake.

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Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-14 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Manoj Srivastava dies 11/11/2005 hora 22:35:
 You gotta start trusting somewhere. Our web of trust starts with the
 Developers in the keyring, we trust these people not to muck with the
 binaries.

You trust them, but not any user of Debian will want to trust them so
much. Some will want some degree of confidence that the binaries are
clean...

Would it cost too much to implement?

Doubtfully,
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Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-14 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 12/11/2005 hora 18:37:
 It was already suggested to accept only source+binary uploads, but to
 rebuild the binaries on the upload's architecture anyway.

Has there been a consensus on rejecting that solution?

Curiously,
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Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 10/11/2005 hora 22:45:
 Le jeudi 10 novembre 2005 à 13:32 -0800, Debian Installer a écrit :
  Rejected: source only uploads are not supported.
 I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used
 to be accepted in the past.

And I see a rationale for allowing them: what prevents a DD to upload
binaries that include exploits or some trojan code, along with a clean
source?

Isn't a buildd compilation more secure WRT this issue? (I don't try to
say it's perfectly secure, I think admins of the buildd could do the
trick also...)

I suspect that is has already been discussed, so could someone give me
URIs of messages/web pages on the subject if it is the case?

BTW, is there any infrastructure to check against that? Would it be
possible, or consume way much of resources (and first CPU of the
buildd)?

Doubtfully,
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Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-11 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Anthony Towns dies 11/11/2005 hora 16:43:
 The problem is a technicality, not a moral or practical difference
 from the GPL's expectations: you still have the source to OpenSolaris
 libc, and you still have permission to modify it, redistribute it,
 sell it, etc.

Didn't someone ask for the source of some other packages (sunw*) that
are not, at the moment, available (and won't in the future, IIUC)?

I had understood that the problem is that some of the source needed to
compile core packages of Nexenta are not even open source...

Curiously,
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Re: Bug#338058: ITP: markdown -- text-to-HTML conversion tool for web writers

2005-11-09 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Pierre THIERRY dies 08/11/2005 hora 01:04:
 * Package name: markdown

Sorry for that invalid ITP (markdown *is* packaged). It seems reportbug
check the archive when doing a RFP, but not an ITP.

Maybe on the supposition that when you do an ITP, you know more what
you're doing and follow the indications to check yourself before.

Oops.

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Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-09 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Alex Ross dies 08/11/2005 hora 11:36:
 Overnight we actually did remove the downloads.

I'm downloading the LiveCD image right now from a link in the download
page[1]. Do I have to understand that you corrected the GPL violation
problem and that I can find all the sources the GPL gives me the right
to get?

Doubtfully,
Nowhere man
 
[1] http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki/Download
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Bug#338058: ITP: markdown -- text-to-HTML conversion tool for web writers

2005-11-07 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Package name: markdown
  Version : 1.0.1
  Upstream Author : John Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
* License : BSD-style
  Description : text-to-HTML conversion tool for web writers

Markdown is a text-to-HTML conversion tool for web writers. Markdown
allows you to write using an easy-to-read, easy-to-write plain text
format, then convert it to structurally valid XHTML (or HTML).

Thus, Markdown is two things: a plain text markup syntax, and a
software tool, written in Perl, that converts the plain text markup 
to HTML.

Markdown works both as a Movable Type plug-in and as a standalone Perl
script -- which means it can also be used as a text filter in BBEdit
(or any other application that supporst filters written in Perl).

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Re: [Fwd: major problem with gnome-games dependency]

2005-10-21 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Kevin Mark dies 13/10/2005 hora 02:26:
 I was thinking of a feature that would show 'recommends' but add a
 line line explaining what installing package X would add to the
 currently selected package.
 
 [...]

 if this metadata could be added to the package data file it could be
 utilized by some program(not sure which or how).

I think Debian should develop a general metadata solution for APT. There
are already very powerful tools to handle metadata, like the RDF data
model, it's serializations (RDF/XML, N3, etc.) and tools associated
(Raptor, Rasqal and Redland already packaged in Debian, including
sarge).

With a generic metadata infrastructure in the APT tools, it wouldn't be
a pain anymore to extend APT: debtags could be achieved with it,
dependency explanation also.

With a separation between the core APT features, like installation end
dependency handling, and the metadata addon, it could also be possible
to fetch metadata elsewhere: one could have it's own debtags metadata,
or some teams of DD or users could publish specific debtags (e.g. for
parents that don't want violent games on their system...).

Generically,
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Re: a few tips on proper use of version tracking in the Debian BTS

2005-10-20 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Stefano Zacchiroli dies 19/10/2005 hora 11:06:
 1) once a bug as been closed - erroneously I would say - mailing
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] without the Version: pseudo header, is
 there a way to push the version information to the bts?

It seems. I did it for #297927: after sending a 'close 297927' to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], the BTS informed me that it was deprecated. I sent
another mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'Version: 0.9.23-1', and it is
now in the BTS as ``Fixed in version 0.9.23-1''.

Precisely,
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Re: Managing SSL certificates

2005-10-17 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit sean finney dies 16/10/2005 hora 11:00:
 also, i think extreme care should be take wrt these ssl certificates.
 i don't think they should be blindly purged at package removal (or
 probably even package purge) time, without getting permission from the
 local admin.

I think that this SSL certificates manager package should just have an
option that specifies what action(s) should be triggered when a
reference count falls down to zero:

[ ] send a mail to the admin telling him
[ ] do something with the files
[ ] move the files
[ ] delete the files

Optionally,
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Re: Transitions problémat iques

2005-10-12 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Frédéric Bothamy dies 12/10/2005 hora 13:15:
 Normalement, ces rapports de bogue existent déjà. Sur mon système, je
 n'ai plus aucun paquet dépendant de libgmp3 d'après apt-cache
 rdepends libgmp3¹ (et 93 dépendant de libgmp3c2) et ce paquet
 n'existe plus dans unstable.

J'en avais autant qui dépendent de libgmp3, mais vérification faite sur
l'un d'eux, c'est dans testing... Je n'ai pas vu dans la manpage de
apt-rdepends comment restreindre à une source ou release...

Imprécisément,
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Re: Transitions problémat iques

2005-10-11 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Thomas Clavier dies 09/10/2005 hora 10:14:
 Le fait de déclancher cette désinstallation permet de rédiger un
 rapport de bug sur le paquet qui n'a pas été compilé avec la bonne
 librairie.

OK, là du coup, je pige. Bon, ben ça me fait des bugs à rapporter, ça,
donc...

Brièvement,
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experimental and autobuild (was Re: New XTerm package, independent from X.Org, in experimental.)

2005-10-08 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit David Martínez Moreno dies 05/10/2005 hora 13:28:
 - Oh, yes. My package is only compiled for i386. O:-)

For the sake of my curiosity, aren't the packages in experimental taken
care of by the autobuilders?

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Re: experimental and autobuild (was Re: New XTerm package, independent from X.Org, in experimental.)

2005-10-08 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Christoph Berg dies 08/10/2005 hora 22:06:
  Quickly,
  Nowhere man
 
 Using realnames is a matter of politeness on Debian lists.

That's partly why my complete address in the From header of my mail is

Pierre THIERRY [EMAIL PROTECTED]

instead of

Nowhere man [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Namely,
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Transitions problématique s

2005-10-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Je me pose une question sur le fonctionnement de Debian : quelles
solutions ont déjà été proposées (et éventuellement rejetées) pour
éviter les problèmes de transition (e.g. de bibliothèques, de
compilateur).

Je pense en particulier au fait que lors de certaines transitions, il
est impossible de faire une mise à jour sans perdre de paquets.
Exemple :

- les paquets foo (0.1-1) et bar (0.2-1) dépendent de libbaz,
- on introduit libbazc102 qui est en conflit avec libbaz,
- foo (0.1-2) est mis à jour pour dépendre de libbazc102,
- si je mets à jour foo, je perds bar, qui dépend encore d'une
  bibliothèque qui dégage.

En particulier, est-ce que des solutions ont été proposées pour que des
paquets de même nom et de versions différentes puissent coexister dans
l'archive Debian ?

J'ai un peu STFW, mais les mot-clefs qui me viennent à l'esprit sont
trop généraux pour avoir quelque chose...

Curieusement,
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[résolu] Re: [HS] Re: Un bug dans la STL ?

2005-04-29 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Guillaume Morin dies 28/04/2005 hora 23:26:
 Tu dois retourner une *référence* sur ton Dice pas un nouvel objet. En
 effet, tu vas créer des objets temporaires (un par appel a ) qui
 référencent le même vecteur.

Non, car ayant surdéfini l'opérateur =, il n'y a pas de copie
superficielle. Néanmoins, merci de la remarque, c'est corrigé. Le
problème venait probablement du fait que mon constructeur de recopie ne
créait pas le vecteur, en fait. C'est corrigé, et cette partie du code
fonctionne désormais, semble-t-il.

Par contre, je suis tombé sur troisième bug dans mon code, et je suis
effaré que le compilo soit passé outre :

templateclass T Dice  operator =(const T )
{
m_rollable_scalars-clear();
this-append(value);
return *this;
}

value aurait du être l'identifiant de l'argument, mais j'avais oublié,
une fois que j'ai décidé d'en faire une fonction template définie dans
le fichier d'en-tête, de le rajouter dans ce qui était le prototype.

C'est un bug dans GCC, ou c'est parce que c'était une fonction
template ?

 Si tu avais conçu ta classe correctement, tu aurais repérer le prb
 tout de suite. Les versions de l'opérateur= et du constructeur par
 recopie générés par le compilateur ne sont pas correctes pour l'objet
 Dice.  Tu dois donc les écrire toi même si tu veux autoriser la copie
 d'objet Dice.

C'était déjà fait.

Merci d'avoir pris le temps d'étudier mon problème.

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Re: Un bug dans la STL ?

2005-04-28 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Vera Mickael dies 27/04/2005 hora 19:29:
 Tu as dû faire une erreur de programmation.

Peut-être, mais même avec valgrind, impossible de comprendre où est mon
erreur. Je sais précisément où ça merde dans mon programme. Plus
précisément, ça merde au final dans la STL (à cause de moi ou d'un bug
en elle-même...), et je sais où est l'appel dans mon source (dans la
méthode clear() de la classe Dice).

Mais je ne vois pas quoi corriger.

Si je décommente l'instruction qui, avant de supprimer le pointeur du
conteneur, désalloue l'objet pointé, alors, avec un conteneur vector, on
a plus la taille qui passe de 1 à un nombre astronomique, mais à 104,
puis segfault...

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Un bug dans la STL ?

2005-04-27 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Hello,

je suis en train de me mettre à écrire une bibliothèques de classes en
C++, qui me servira ensuite pour des logiciels de jeu (principalement du
jeu de rôle).

Je commence par les dés, et je suis tombé sur un os : une de mes
classes comprend un méthode qui est censée désallouer des objets dont
les pointeurs sont stockés dans un conteneur de la STL, qui est un
membre privé de la classe, et vider celui-ci au passage.

Avec trois types différents, j'obtiens trois bugs différents, l'un très
grave.

Si c'est un vectorMonType*, impossible de vider. un pop_back() quand
size() renvoit 1 fait passer à un état où size() renvoit 33635908
(2^25+81476, je trouvais que c'est étrangement « proche » d'une
puissance de 2),

Si c'est un dequeMonType*, au bout de quelques secondes, la machine
plante lamentablement, impossible de passer sur une console texte ou de
tuer le serveur X. Seule possibilité, les Magic Keys du kernel, SIUB. Et
lorsque la machine redémarre, kernel panic. Un redémarrage
supplémentaire et elle démarre comme une fleur.

Si c'est un listMonType*, le programme segfaulte après ou pendant la
suppression du dernier élément.

Je recommande de lancer la version deque ainsi :

./test  sleep 4 ; kill %+

Est-ce que quelqu'un saurait me dire ce qui se passe, ou au moins me
filer des pistes sur la façon de le découvrir ?

Au passage, est-ce que ce n'est pas un bug gravissime dans le noyau
(probablement dans l'ordonnancement) qu'un plantage pareil puisse
arriver ?

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Re: Re: Packages with unusable documentation

2005-04-24 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Alban Browaeys dies 23/04/2005 hora 05:04:
 hum this is overkill. Install dwww (need an apache install) that s the
 best we have in debian until now.

The problem is also that many maintainers dont register their
documentation with doc-base... Are there lintian/linda checks for
that ?

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Re: Automatic testing of Debian packages

2005-04-08 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Michael Schiansky dies 08/04/2005 hora 11:44:
 None of my maintained packages do provide such things. For all of them
 any automatic test is impossible as they require user interaction.

apt-get install expectk

 IMHO it's not worth the efford to implement such an autotest-system
 just for a small amount of our packages.

IMHO its worth for a vast majority of them. Even complex intreactive
programs can have their core functions non-interactively tested for
completeness.

I don't know which part of the UI can be tested with expectk, though.

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Re: Right of a maintainer not to respect FHS

2005-04-08 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Steve Langasek dies 04/04/2005 hora 00:42:
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=300765msg=14

 He has the approval of the release team.

I didn't notice this mail in the time I was discussing with the
maintainer. And it lacks explanation. When I read it recently, I thought
it was some sort of error in an automated process.

And I told the maintainer I thought he had no right to do a downgrade,
and he never informed me that he had this approval:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=300765msg=30 :
  I insist: you do not have the right,
 Feel free to bring it up with tech committee.

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Re: Right of a maintainer not to respect FHS

2005-04-08 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Don Armstrong dies 04/04/2005 hora 01:09:
 Otherwise, all you're doing is abusing the BTS, no matter how correct
 your actual appraisal of the severity bug is.

Downgrading a bug that is a clear violation of the policy just to have a
package in the next stable release IS abusing the BTS.

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Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-04-07 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Lars Wirzenius dies 06/04/2005 hora 21:34:
  I don't find it very sane to be forced to deliberately trigger
  problems on the user's system to find bugs.
 I assume the goal is to make it fail on the developer's system, on
 build daemons, whenever random developers unpack the package

If it is random, there could be only one or two combinations that fail
and dozens (or far more, FWIW) that work well without anyone noticing
anything. Remember that when it can go wrong, it will at the worst
moment; that is, for us, on the user's system (and for the source point
of view, random developers should be considered users). The maintainer
and the buildds count only for a bit more than a dozen unpackings, for
now, if I understand correctly how buildds work...

 The point is to make it as likely as possible to make it break, if it
 breaks at all, so that when the user sees the package, it is already
 non-broken.

That's the very purpose of a test suite! But that one doesn't rely on
the randomness of the apparition of a bug, but makes *everything* that
is possible to make it visible.

-1 random
+2 lintian

Why use a suboptimal solution when an optimal one is available?

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Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-04-07 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Steve Greenland dies 06/04/2005 hora 17:37:
 There's a long history of people relying on explicitly unspecified
 behaviour, and then bitching when that behaviour changes. 

For the sake of my curiosity again, could you point me some precise
examples?

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Re: Bug#303667: ITP: cycle -- calendar program for women

2005-04-07 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Miriam Ruiz dies 08/04/2005 hora 02:20:
 - Calculate days of safe sex

There are still people to believe that it works?!

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Re: init.d script dependencies for etch?

2005-04-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Humberto Massa dies 04/04/2005 hora 10:46:
  Cached? As in queried beforehand? As in two-pass algorithm, once
  iterating init.d with 'depends' as option, then with 'start' ?

There are advantages to call the init.d script to poll its dependencies,
instead of reading them:

- the script can give them according to configuration files or by
  verifying that something is really needed (e.g. if a service is only
  accessed by unix sockets, no need for networking),
- it doesn't force init.d scripts to be really shell scripts (dunno if
  this is really desirable, though).

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Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-04-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Steve Greenland dies 04/04/2005 hora 07:15:
  - what problems do thsi random order could weed?
 Unnoted dependencies that just happen to be fulfilled due to a
 consistent (though arbitrary) application order. By applying in a
 different order each time, you should trigger an error fairly quickly.

I don't find it very sane to be forced to deliberately trigger problems
on the user's system to find bugs.

Wouldn't it be more appropriate in a package testing tool? Maybe
lintian, with a test of all combinations of independant patches (or a
more intelligent subset) to see if something fails.

When I unpack a source, I don't want it to fail to help a careless
maintainer to find the flaws in one's packaging...

  - won't it be more difficult to trakcs bugs if it isn't predictable?
 If you get an error during the patching process, it should be fairly
 easy to determine that it's an un-marked dependency, and then find it
 by hand.

That's what you think. I'm not so sure.

 You can also impose arbitrary dependencies among your supposedly
 independent patches until you find the troublesome combination.

Urgh. Are you doing computer science or cooking? Couldn't the
application write somewhere the order of the patch that it just used?!

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Right of a maintainer not to respect FHS

2005-04-04 Thread Pierre THIERRY
I have a problem with a bug filed on r-doc-html (#300765). The
documentation was entirely in /usr/lib, and it seems that all R packages
have all their files under /usr/lib, whatever their type or purpose.

I filed a bug with severity serious, as this breaks Policy 9.1.1 (FHS is
mandatory). But the maintainer argued that R was packaged like this from
the beginning, and that because it must stay in the distribution, the
bug had to be downgraded to wishlist.

SHouldn't he get the approval of the release team or ftpmasters before
doing such an arbitrary downgrade?

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Re: intend-to-implement: script to obtain Debian Source

2005-04-04 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Adam Heath dies 01/04/2005 hora 19:10:
 Additionally, as a way to weed out other problems, any patches that
 are leafs(ie, don't depend on anything) are applied in a random order.

For the sake of my curiosity:

- what problems do thsi random order could weed?
- won't it be more difficult to trakcs bugs if it isn't predictable?

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Packages count (was Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications)

2005-03-24 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 So looks like sarge above should be woody.

Oh, yes. I was wondering why I found so few (!) packages, because last
time I installed a fresh sarge, some debconf screen told me I could
install something like 14K packages...

BTW, is there any other distrib that includes officially so many
packages?

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Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications

2005-03-23 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Anthony Towns dies 23/03/2005 hora 21:52:
 Pierre THIERRY wrote:
 - Debian: 11 ports, 9157 packages (sarge) [17593 in sid]
 Hrm, where are those numbers from?

wc -l (modulo the first lines) of the allpackages.txt file on the
website

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Quick attempt to fix it

2005-03-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
tag 296917 +patch
thanks

Hi,

following the discussion about this bug on debian-devel, with some late,
I looked quickly in the code of the debhelper package, and I think I
could understand it very fast (proof that it is written in a very
maintainable way), so I tried to write this patch. I don't make much
Debian packaging yet, so I let others test it.

diff -ur debhelper-4.2.31/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Getopt.pm 
debhelper-4.2.31.new/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Getopt.pm
--- debhelper-4.2.31/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Getopt.pm  2004-06-29 
01:59:57.0 +0200
+++ debhelper-4.2.31.new/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Getopt.pm  2005-03-22 
20:39:02.0 +0100
@@ -165,6 +165,10 @@
error-handler=s = \$options{ERROR_HANDLER},
 
 = \NonOption,
+
+   move=s = \$options{MOVE},
+
+   hard-link=s = \$options{HARD_LINK},
);
 
if (!$ret) {
diff -ur debhelper-4.2.31/dh_install debhelper-4.2.31.new/dh_install
--- debhelper-4.2.31/dh_install 2004-01-16 04:47:14.0 +0100
+++ debhelper-4.2.31.new/dh_install 2005-03-22 23:01:22.200594648 +0100
@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
 
 =head1 SYNOPSIS
 
-Bdh_install [B-XIitem] [B--autodest] [B--sourcedir=Idir] 
[SIdebhelper options] [SIfile [...] dest]
+Bdh_install [B-XIitem] [B--autodest] [B--sourcedir=Idir] 
[B--move] [B--hard-link] [SIdebhelper options] [SIfile [...] dest]
 
 =head1 DESCRIPTION
 
@@ -96,6 +96,17 @@
 approximate dh_movefiles behaviour, except it will copy files instead
 of moving them.
 
+=item B--move
+
+Moves the files instead of copying them. BCaution! It breaks idempotency!. 
Ignored
+when B--hard-link is used
+
+=item B--hard-link
+
+Copies the files by creating hard links, to perform faster and save disk space.
+BCaution! Don't use it if you wan't to be able to modify the source files
+after having installed them.
+
 =item Ifile [...] dest
 
 Lists files (or directories) to install and where to install them to.
@@ -180,7 +191,15 @@
complex_doit(cd $src/..  find $dir_basename 
$exclude \\( -type d -and -empty \\) -exec cp --parents -a {} $pwd/$tmp/$dest/ 
\\;);
}
else {
-   doit(cp, -a, $src, $tmp/$dest/);
+   if ($dh{HARD_LINK}) {
+   doit(cp, -al, $src, $tmp/$dest/);
+   }
+   elsif ($dh{MOVE}) {
+   doit(mv, , $src, $tmp/$dest/);
+   }
+   else {
+   doit(cp, -a, $src, $tmp/$dest/);
+   }
}
 
if ($tmpdest) {

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Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications

2005-03-22 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Bas Zoetekouw dies 15/03/2005 hora 10:37:
 I find it a bit hard to believe that Debian isn't able to support 11
 architectures while for example FreeBSD and NetBSD seem to manage
 fine.

- FreeBSD: 6 ports, 12646 packages
- Debian: 11 ports, 9157 packages (sarge) [17593 in sid]
- NetBSD: 55 ports, 5300 packages

I think that Debian stands quite well the comparison... And maybe SCC
will enable Debian to ``support'' many more architectures, and in a
smooth way, instead of a somewhat all-or-nothing.

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Switcher massivement vers trunk (was Re: nouvelles)

2004-05-05 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Ce que nous faissons c'est d'avoir une archive SVN, [...] chaque
 package maintenu [...] a ou sous repertoire. Chaque package a un sous
 repertoire trunk

Je viens justement de faire un svn co de plusieurs dépôts disponibles
sur svn.d.o (dont pkg-ocaml, justement), et comme il y a tout un paquet
de répertoires trunk, je me suis rapidement écrit un script dont le but
est de switcher massivement tous les répertoires paquets vers trunk
(comme décrit dans le SVN-Book).

Comme j'ai des dépôts où les noms de répertoires sont en français
(tronc, étiquettes et branches), le script accepte un argument s'il doit
utiliser autre chose que trunk.

Je poste ici pour savoir si ça vous semble valoir le coup d'être proposé
au mainteneur de subversion-tools.

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Re: /var/run and scripts

2003-09-02 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 If not where should it be?

What about /usr/local/package or /var/opt/package? The former seems
to be the best one, to me...

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Re: Accepted kaffe 1:1.1.1-1 (i386 source)

2003-08-28 Thread Pierre THIERRY
  As a submitter, would you feel satisified that you had just gotten
  such a mail?
 Yes, I would.  I would then know that I could fetch the new release to
 see if the problem was really fixed in this release.

I must agree with Adam, and IIRC, there has alreadu been said on that
list that it is an improper use of the changelog.

As a bug sumbitter, I don't want to review source code each time I want
to know if a bug is actually corrected. Simply because for some
packages, I'm just unable to understand their code (being because of the
language used or the complexity...).

And the changelog should be something readable by a human being. making
it clearer can only be a Good Thing.

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Re: Aide pour comprension du BTS et paquet wnpp

2003-08-26 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 j'essaye de comprendre comment marche les rapports de bugs dans le
 paquet wnpp pour l'adoption de paquet.

Tu envoies un mail à [EMAIL PROTECTED] pour dire que tu veux
adopter le paquet, et tu envoies un mail contenant dans le corps

retitle numero-du-bug ITA: nom-du-paquet

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Bug in gcc/binutils with C++?

2003-08-26 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Hi,

I'm trying to build a small dice roll library in C++, that I'll package
next. But I block on an error that seem to be a bug of the toolchain
with C++:

/usr/bin/ld: hello: hidden symbol `__dso_handle' in 
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/3.3.1/crtbegin.o is referenced by DSO

I didn't find any bug in the BTS, but I can reproduce this error even
with a minimalist hello world library. After some search on Google, I
didn't understand well it it's a binutils or gcc bug...

Can someone enlight me: is it actually a bug or a problem in my C++
code?

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Bug#206931: ITP: libw3c-logvalidator-perl -- Web server log analysis tool to validate the N most popular documents

2003-08-23 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-24
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: libw3c-logvalidator-perl
  Version : 0.2
  Upstream Author : Olivier Thereaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools/LogValidator/
* License : W3C Software license (BSD-like)
  Description : Web server log analysis tool to validate the N most popular 
documents

Log Validator is a web server log analysis tool which finds the N most
popular documents matching a particular criteria. Thanks to a modular,
extensible design, the criteria can be chosen and modified arbitrarily.

The Log Validator was first written with Validation (HTML, etc.) in mind
: it can thus help web content managers find and fix the most frequently
accessed invalid documents on their Web site, acting as a comprehensive,
step-by-step validation tool.

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Re: Bug#205927: ITP: eggdrop -- Advanced IRC Robot

2003-08-23 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 As I may take some time to finish the package, I thought of avoiding
 duplicated work.

You could just tetitle the bug to an ITA, to avoid confusion.

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Re: How to locate package uploader?

2003-08-23 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Gaetan RYCKEBOER [...] doesn't appear to be listed in the list of NM
 applicants.

http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=gryckeboer%40virtual-net.fr

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Re: Signature de cle en Alsace (was: Re: Bug#198987: Is something planned for this bug?)

2003-08-19 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 A confirmer pour le moment et l'heure encore cependant.

Rendez-vous aujourd'hui (le 20...) à 15h devant la cathédrale.

J'essairai d'être un minimum geek vestimentairement ; si ce n'est pas un
T-Shirt «Linux Soft Revolution», je me rabatterai sur une casquette Star
Trek ou un T-Sirt «Kid Paddle» ;-).

Mais pour ceux qui ne pourront pas venir (l'annonce 13h avant, c'est un
peu short), ça ne devrait pas être bien difficile de réitérer. Notez que
ce soir se tiendra l'Appel À Mousser mensuel de la Flammekueche
Connection (le LUG) : 20h30 à la Hache, 11 rue de la Douane...

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Re: Signature de cle en Alsace (was: Re: Bug#198987: Is something planned for this bug?)

2003-08-19 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Y aurait-il une concentration de DD en Alsace ?

Le manger y est copieux et succulent, le boire agréable à
flotssouhait, et le temps incite plus rester devant sa machine qu'à
aller ouvrir ses doigts de pied en éventail... ;-)

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docbook-to-man(1) et la policy

2003-08-15 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Je viens de voir que docbook-to-man ne permet pas de modifier son
comportement autrement que par une variable d'environnement, pour ce qui
est d'appeler instant(1) avec ou sans l'option -d.

Comme je ne suis pas du tout familier avec instant, je ne me demande à
quel point ça contrevient ou pas avec la section 9.9 de la policy
(3.6.0)...

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Re: SCO license for Debian distrib

2003-08-06 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Licence SCO : http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html

En Allemagne, le LinuxTag a fait sommer par la jsutice allemande SCO de
fermer sa gueule ou d'avancer des preuves formelles. C'était il y a
plusieurs semaines, et ils ont décidé de la fermer.

Conclusion : SCO n'a fait que monter un FUD, pour discréditer Linux,
notamment auprès des décideurs informatiques en entreprise.

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Re: Bug#203588: acpid: Shell script has nothing to do in /etc

2003-08-02 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 How do I configure your script to restart apache when the power button
 is pushed?

Because it has nothing to do with shutdown, you just change
/etc/acpi/events/powerbtn, and modify it to action=invoke-rc.d apache
restart

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Re: Bug#203588: acpid: Shell script has nothing to do in /etc

2003-08-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 I think at least the RCness of this bug is rather dubious, frankly. If
 the script is configuration

I don't think the script is meant to be edited... So it should be in
/usr/sbin.

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Re: Bug#203588: acpid: Shell script has nothing to do in /etc

2003-08-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 You think wrong. The user should be able to choose whether the power
 button triggers shutdown or suspend to disk, for instance.

But one shouldn't have to edit a shell script to do it. It should just
be necessary to edit a configuration file. Like modifying the action
value to something like /usr/sbin/poweroff or /usr/sbin/suspend-to-disk

Surely,
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Re: Bug#203588: acpid: Shell script has nothing to do in /etc

2003-08-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Tags: patch

 I've edited it, and I'd bet I'm not the only one who has a
 dog/cat/turtle/etc who keeps knocking the power button, resulting in a
 change to scheduling a shutdown in 1 minutes time :)

I think a very good coded script should use a config file in /etc. But
maybe it's a purist opinion... What do you think of the patch I
porvide ? (I did not touch the dcop thing, as I don't understand it
very well)

And this script could even not be part of acpid, but maybe sysvinit, as
it could be useful even without ACPI, just in replacement for halt, with
more functionnalities. One could add something for Gnome, as IIRC, DCOP
is part of KDE or Qt...

Narrow-mindedly, ;-)
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Re: Bug#203588: acpid: Shell script has nothing to do in /etc

2003-08-01 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Tags: patch
 You forgot to attach it :-)

Shit. And the BTS doesn't seem to have noticed the patch tag...

 Event-handling from cardmgr, hotplug, usbmgr, acpid, apmd etc. are
 really useful to be able to be customised by power users.

I think I'm something like a power user, and I hate having to read and
understand a script (being shell, perl or anything else) to customize a
package to my needs.

And I love a well-documented configuration file, where I just have to
change some paramters, without having to understand everything behing
it. The power user might want to focus on its work, not on the
custimozation of every signle package he installs...

 You've assumed they want the power button to *be* a power button, it's
 entirely likely that they might want it to (for example) switch the
 user into single user mode instead.

I didn't assume anything, and my version of the script just need th
change ACTION=halt to ACTION=single to achieve this. And if the script
is rewritten or modified to be just better, an apt-get upgrade won't
erase all the customizations made by the sysadmin, because it is in a
configuration file that have little reasons to change...

 Shell scripts run by event daemons are the power-user's configuration
 files. Leave them be.

They are a very bad manner to provide configuration files to the
power-user, IMHO... And I still think this bug is an RC one.

Technically,
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diff -Nru acpid-1.0.2.old/debian/powerbtn.cfg acpid-1.0.2/debian/powerbtn.cfg
--- acpid-1.0.2.old/debian/powerbtn.cfg 1970-01-01 01:00:00.0 +0100
+++ acpid-1.0.2/debian/powerbtn.cfg 2003-08-02 03:34:53.0 +0200
@@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
+# Can be halt, reboot or single
+ACTION=halt
+
+# Time between SIGTERM and SIGKILL, see shutdown(8)
+INIT_WAIT=
+
+# When to shutdown.
+TIME=now
+
+# Message to send to all users.
+MESSAGE=
diff -Nru acpid-1.0.2.old/debian/powerbtn.sh acpid-1.0.2/debian/powerbtn.sh
--- acpid-1.0.2.old/debian/powerbtn.sh  2003-08-02 02:09:02.0 +0200
+++ acpid-1.0.2/debian/powerbtn.sh  2003-08-02 03:40:27.0 +0200
@@ -3,9 +3,40 @@
 # Initiates a shutdown when the power putton has been
 # pressed.
 
+CONFIG=/etc/acpi/powerbtn.cfg
+SDPID=/var/run/shutdown.pid
+SHUTDOWN=/sbin/shutdown
+
+if [ -f $SDPID ];then
+   $SHUTDOWN -c
+   exit;
+fi
+
+. $CONFIG
+
 if ps -Af | grep -q '[k]desktop'  test -f /usr/bin/dcop
 then
 dcop --all-users ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 0  exit 0
 fi
 
-/sbin/init 0
+
+COMMAND=$SHUTDOWN
+
+case $ACTION in
+halt)
+   COMMAND=$COMMAND -h;;
+reboot)
+   COMMAND=$COMMAND -r;;
+single)
+   ;;
+esac
+
+case $INIT_WAIT in
+)
+   COMMAND=$COMMAND -t $INIT_WAIT;;
+*)
+   ;;
+esac
+
+COMMAND=$COMMAND $TIME $MESSAGE
+$COMMAND
diff -Nru acpid-1.0.2.old/debian/rules acpid-1.0.2/debian/rules
--- acpid-1.0.2.old/debian/rules2003-08-02 02:09:02.0 +0200
+++ acpid-1.0.2/debian/rules2003-08-02 03:31:20.0 +0200
@@ -39,8 +39,11 @@
install -p -o root -g root -m 644 debian/powerbtn \
debian/tmp/etc/acpi/events/powerbtn

+   install -p -o root -g root -m 644 debian/powerbtn.cfg \
+   debian/tmp/etc/acpi/powerbtn.cfg
+   
install -p -o root -g root -m 755 debian/powerbtn.sh \
-   debian/tmp/etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
+   debian/tmp/usr/sbin/powerbtn.sh
 
install -p -o root -g root -m 644 acpid.8.gz \
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Re: KEY SIGNING PARTY vendredi prochain a Paris?

2003-06-11 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Les personnes intéressées peuvent se manifester (rapidement) pour voir
 si la réunion est possible.

Je vais essayer d'être là, mais je ne suis pas certain. Je serais là le
18, à l'ADAE, je vais essayer de rester sur Paris.

http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?ev=59904

Brièvement,
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Re: appropriate use of /etc/alternatives

2003-05-31 Thread Pierre THIERRY
  He doesn't think that it's an appropriate use of alternatives, since
  the tools are not compatible.

What about having a the ability to parse the original xplot data in your
xplot ?

Simply,
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Re: Recherche d'un sponsor pour adopter distributed-net

2003-05-26 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Essaie debian-mentors...

Simplement,
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Re: ethique Debian

2002-12-11 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 Sans le nom, pornview est un lecteur d'image comme tout autre.

Mais la question reste intéressante : si un logiciel inclue des images
pornos, sera-ce un prétexte suffisant pour le refuser dans l'archive
officielle ?

C'est du troll, mais ça nous donnerait le statut de «communauté
bien-pensante collaborative» !

Il y a pourtant dans Debian des paquets nettement plus litigieux que du
porno, comme airsnort, dont on ne peux nier qu'ils sont conçu autant
comme outils d'intrusion que d'audit de sécurité... Mais la liberté des
LL réside aussi dans la liberté de ne pas s'en servir.

Chastement,
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Re: Developper une application pour KDE 3

2002-12-09 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 comme j'utilise KDE en général, je pensais developper mon appli pour
 KDE

Regarde déjà du côté de KDevelop, c'est un peu son but...

Simplement,
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Re: Questions de policy

2002-09-27 Thread Pierre THIERRY
 A la purge, je ne vire évidemment pas ces bases (je
 me ferais crucifier par lesutilisateurs!)

N'est-ce pas pourtant un des buts possibles de la purge : tout retirer
du système. De fait, certains paquets, comme sympa ou mysql, demandent à
l'install si le purge doit comporter la suppression des données...

 et il faut bien que leur
 groupe soit toujours défini dans /etc/group.

Pas forcément... Pourquoi ne pas les refiler à root ?

Innocemment,
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