Accepted tkcvs 8.2.3-1 (source all)

2012-06-08 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:25:55 +0100
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.2.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 tkcvs  - Graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 675352
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.2.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version
   * Updated to standards 3.9.3
   * Provides tkdiff (Closes: #675352)
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Accepted am-utils 6.2+rc20110530-3 (source all i386)

2012-01-18 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:54:36 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu4 libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.2+rc20110530-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.2+rc20110530-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Fixed missing build dependency on dpkg-dev
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Accepted am-utils 6.2+rc20110530-1 (source all i386)

2011-05-30 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:00:03 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu4 libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.2+rc20110530-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 628312
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.2+rc20110530-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Imported Upstream version 6.2+rc20110530
   * nfs_mount.h-needs-sys-socket.h.patch no longer needed
   * New patch to support recent libtool versions by using libtoolize
 (Closes: #628312)
   * Updated policy to 3.9.2
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Accepted am-utils 6.2+rc20101201-1 (source all i386)

2011-01-31 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:16:13 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu4 libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.2+rc20101201-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 496062 596966 597076 597077
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.2+rc20101201-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Imported Upstream version 6.2+rc20101201
   * Patch buildall so it notices the localconfig header
   * Patch to fix kernel structure hostname field
 (Closes: #596966, #496062, #597076)
   * Fix restart problem (Closes: #597077)
   * Patch configure.in to detect linux/nfs_mount.h properly
   * Updated build procedure for squeeze
   * Updated to standards 3.9.1 and fixed Lintian warnings
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Accepted tkcvs 8.2.1-2 (source all)

2010-05-30 Thread Tim Cutts
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Source: tkcvs
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
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 .
   * Updated to standards 3.8.4
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Accepted tkcvs 8.2.1-1 (source all)

2010-05-26 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:25:49 +0200
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 545106 580191
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.2.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version (Closes: #580191)
   * Change package section to vcs
   * Remove conflict with tkdiff, but keep 'Replaces' (Closes: #545106)
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-15 (source all i386)

2009-09-16 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:49:30 +0200
Source: am-utils
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Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-15
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 546774
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-15) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated to standards 3.8.3
   * Fixed build problem with info docs (Closes: #546774)
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Accepted tkcvs 8.2-1 (source all)

2009-08-12 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:33:08 +0200
Source: tkcvs
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Architecture: source all
Version: 8.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Changed-By: Tim Cutts t...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 412987 517897
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version
   * Updated to policy 3.8.2
   * Removed conflict with tk8.3 (Closes: #517897)
   * Change the suggested tag date format to avoid locale issues
 (Closes: #412987)
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Accepted tkcvs 8.1-5 (source all)

2008-10-21 Thread Tim Cutts
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Source: tkcvs
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Architecture: source all
Version: 8.1-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 502922
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.1-5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Accidentally missed out tkdiff (Closes: #502922)
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Accepted tkcvs 8.1-4 (source all)

2008-10-19 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:57:34 +0200
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.1-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 502545
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.1-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Allow tkcvs to work with either tk8.4 or tk8.5 (Closes: #502545)
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Accepted tkcvs 8.1-3 (source all)

2008-10-06 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:40:51 +0200
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 501256
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.1-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Patch from Alexander Galinin to fix merge
 within a branch (Closes: #501256)
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-12 (source all i386)

2008-09-20 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.8
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:26:27 +0200
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu4 libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-12
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 498707
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-12) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Change postinst to use invoke-rc.d, so that am-utils can be safely
 installed in chroots. (Closes: #498707)
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Accepted tkcvs 8.1-2 (source all)

2008-09-05 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:12:42 +0200
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 489666
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated policy to 3.8.0
   * Fixed bashism in contrib script (Closes: #489666)
   * Fixed a couple of lintian warnings
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-11 (source all i386)

2008-09-05 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.8
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:34:21 +0200
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu4 libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-11
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 496060
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-11) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Added patch to use at most version 4 of the NFS mount struct, pending a
 proper fix to support later versions upstream in the future
 (Closes: #496060)
   * Updated to policy 3.8.0
   * Moved documentation to System/Administration (from old non-existent 
section)
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Accepted tkcvs 8.1-1 (source all)

2008-06-12 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:34:36 +0200
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 485923
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version (Closes: #485923)
   * Moved to tk8.5
   * Updated standards to 3.7.3
   * Revised menu location according to policy
   * Added short description to tkdirdiff manpage
   * tkdiff is now being provided by tkcvs internally
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tkcvs_8.1-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tkcvs/tkcvs_8.1-1_all.deb
tkcvs_8.1.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/t/tkcvs/tkcvs_8.1.orig.tar.gz


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Re: Automatic debiian installation

2008-06-11 Thread Tim Cutts


On 7 Jun 2008, at 1:37 pm, Michael Tautschnig wrote:


[sorry for cross-posting, I guess this thread should move away from
debian-devel, but I'm not subscribed to any of the others]


Hello,

I would like to use a system to install automatically all my debian  
pc.

But
i don't know wich could be the best between FAI and  PRESSEED.

Somebody could explain the difference 

the avantage and disavantage of the two methodes...!



It depends a lot on your specific needs. If you're fine with setting  
whatever is
debconf-configurable (be it at install time, using d-i's preseeding  
options, or
rather at the level of the installed packages), preseeding may be an  
appropriate

way to go.

FAI, on the other hand, is a very flexible framework for installing  
systems.
Debconf preseeding is supported, but just one option out of many.  
You might want
to run several scripts for fine-tuning your system, copy over config  
files, etc.
Flexibility comes at the cost of probably slightly higher  
complexity, but people

tend to get to know it quite easily.


I use both systems, in different contexts, and the above is pretty  
much what I'd agree with.  If your requirements are fairly simple, and  
you're principally installing very standard workstations which don't  
deviate much from the default answers, then preseeding works very  
well.  Score +1 for preseeding.


But FAI is much more flexible, and allows you to mess with pretty much  
any stage of the installation process in great detail.  Score +1 for  
FAI.


It's also more complicated to set up.  Score -1 for FAI.

FAI is easier to troubleshoot - as soon as the install starts, the  
machine runs an ssh server, even before hard disk partitioning has  
happened, so you can log in and inspect what's going on (or going  
wrong!).  Score +1 for FAI.


However, FAI usually depends on NFS -- yes, I know about fai-cd -- and  
so isn't very appropriate for installing machines which are not part  
of the same network (FAI: -1), whereas a preseeding install can easily  
use http or whatever to fetch its configuration information, and  
that's more WAN friendly (Preseed: +1).  You might want to talk to the  
Munich guys who've done cool stuff with FAI there, including  
installing on wide networks.


FAI has an update mode, which preseeding doesn't.  So if you want to  
update machines, you can use the same FAI config that you're using to  
install new machines to bring old machines up to your new standard.   
Of course, there are other ways to do that (cfengine, for example,  
which is what I use rather than FAI updates).


I think FAI works better when you have a wide variety of system  
configs to install, because you can define multiple classes and have  
machine very flexibly belong to any combination of those classes.   
Preseeding is rather more monolithic, and becomes hard to maintain if  
you don't want your machines absolutely uniform.


So there are arguments in favour of both.  On balance, I prefer FAI,  
mainly because of easier trouble-shooting and customisation.  But I  
happily use both.


This is all IMHO, naturally.  Your mileage may vary.

Tim


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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-10 (source all i386)

2008-06-11 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:04:38 +0200
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu4 libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-10
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 467054 467456 468423 479884
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-10) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Restored mk-amd-map and manual page (Closes: #467054)
   * Added support for the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS debug option
   * Removed ancient versioned conflict with old amd package (Closes: #468423)
   * Using quilt for patch management
   * Patch from Dominic Hargreaves for mk-amd-map to clean up temporary files
 more consistently (Closes: #467456)
   * Patch from Philippe Troin for using nolock option on toplvl mounts
 (Closes: #479884)
   * Turned the 6.1.5-6 autoconf changes into a manageable patch
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am-utils and recent kernels

2008-05-07 Thread Tim Cutts

Hi people,

I'm here to ask for your thoughts about what I should do with the am- 
utils automounter in Lenny.


Recent kernels are more picky about some aspects of NFS, which has  
exposed a bug in am-utils.  See:


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479884
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10349
http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/4/1/402

The problem exists severely with 2.6.25 and later, with am-utils  
pretty much failing to work at all.  But the problem is actually more  
insidious than that, and may need fixing in etch-and-a-half; am-utils  
with kernels 2.6.19-2.6.24 does not fail completely, but locking isn't  
working correctly.


There has been much comment about this on the am-utils mailing list,  
but so far no-one from the upstream developers has commented.  I have  
a nasty feeling the project may now be dead - there hasn't been a  
release for some years.


Fortunately there is a workaround:  change the default method am-utils  
uses for creating its intercepts from userland NFS to using the  
kernel's autofs implementation.  This works well, and has some other  
advantages; it's much faster and doesn't suffer from amd's traditional  
pwd problem.  But that last improvement is also a potential issue;  
because it does break backward compatibility to a certain extent.  Any  
software the user has which has been relying on the value of pwd to  
store configuration information, for example, will break.


An example is GNOME at sites where home directories are automounted  
from an NFS server.  GNOME hard codes your home directory into its  
config files, and unfortunately it uses pwd for that, rather than the  
returned result from getpwent(), or similar.


So I'm in a bit of a quandary, here.  For new installations, clearly  
making autofs the default mount_type is sensible.  But what can I do  
for existing installations?  Ideally, I'd like to fix the upstream  
bug, but it's a bit beyond my capabilities, especially without  
assistance from the upstream team.


Anyone got any thoughts?

Tim


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Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

2008-03-17 Thread Tim Cutts


On 17 Mar 2008, at 3:35 am, Sebastian Pipping wrote:


Tim Cutts wrote:

Hm, can you help with creating a good set of colors?
There are a number of programs around which can help with this.  I  
use Color Oracle:  http://colororacle.cartography.ch/
It sits in a Gnome panel, and will temporarily change your entire  
display's colours  to simulate three different kinds of colour  
blindness.


While I do like the concept of this application, it seems
to be closed source and (probably?) does not take choosing
colors off my shoulders.


Well, at least it's free (beer) if not free (speech).  Its algorithm  
is published, though, so if someone felt so inclined they could  
probably write something free (speech).  I haven't seen anything open  
source yet.  Basically, the general advice is to avoid distinguishing  
colours solely in the red and green components; red, green and yellow  
can all be confused by colour blind males.  I have seen suggested  
spectra for use in charts for colour blind people, and the  
predominating colours are blue and brown.


Still not free, but the following web site probably helps you do what  
you want:


http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html

Click on its triad button, and it automatically picks three  
contrasting colours which work in all forms of colour blindness  
(including the extremely rare case of totally monochromatic vision).


For example:

#5CB85C
#B85CA1
#E6A173

is one such set, and works quite well for normal vision, because they  
are greenish, purplish and beige-ish respectively.


Tim


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Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

2008-03-14 Thread Tim Cutts


On 13 Mar 2008, at 9:33 pm, Sebastian Pipping wrote:


Tim Cutts wrote:
A minor niggle, but the colours you have chosen are not good for  
the 5% of your male viewers who have deuteranopia or protanopia,  
the two most common forms of colour-blindness.  I don't have either  
condition myself, but I've been bitten by this before in web pages  
I've created...  in particular the green and yellow shades are  
almost identical for people with either condition.


Hm, can you help with creating a good set of colors?


There are a number of programs around which can help with this.  I use  
Color Oracle:  http://colororacle.cartography.ch/


It sits in a Gnome panel, and will temporarily change your entire  
display's colours  to simulate three different kinds of colour  
blindness.


Tim


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Re: Debian's use in the Human Genome Project mentioned in the The Guardian

2008-03-12 Thread Tim Cutts


On 12 Mar 2008, at 8:15 am, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 04:28:31PM +, Tim Cutts wrote:
Just thought you might like to read that as a break from the flame  
wars.


Thanks, this kind of interruptions have indeed chance of breaking
flamewars :-)

However, you might be interested in http://times.debian.net, it is an
advertisement place, blog-like, for this kind of good news about
Debian. It reported about the very same news a couple of days ago:
http://times.debian.net/1225-Sanger-Institute-Debian-cluster-320-TB-swap-1.5-PB-storage 
.


I do find Tony's description of it as swap a bit odd.  I run the  
thing, and I don't think of it as swap!   It's more like /tmp; a  
holding area for the raw image data from the sequencers, before it's  
processed down to a more manageable form for long term storage.  320TB  
is enough for two weeks' raw data, at the current resolution and  
experimental procedure.  It'll drop to one week when they double the  
per-experiment data output later this year...


To be quite frank this stuff gives us, the admins, the screaming  
heebie-jeebies, but in a fun way.  The scientists have some really  
fantastic ideas coming down the line, but the IT to support them is  
quite a challenge! We're always on the lookout for people to join the  
team - if anyone's interested in seriously large scale computing with  
Debian and has good ideas for how to deal with petabytes of data and  
thousands of CPUs, we want to hear from you!  All areas are of  
interest; SAN storage, networking, cluster filesystems, automating  
systems administration, self-healing systems, interoperability with  
Windows and Mac OS X, scientific code optimisation, you name it, we  
have to deal with it.


Tim


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Re: table view wnpp page now on wnpp.debian.net

2008-02-20 Thread Tim Cutts




The colors were introduced for distinction, to speed up hopping from  
bug to
bug of a certain type. I decided against coloring the legend because  
it

(probably, didn't try) looks ugly and because in my view it was not
important which color ITP is. But that's just my view. I plan to
open up the source soon so you will be able to play with that :-)


A minor niggle, but the colours you have chosen are not good for the  
5% of your male viewers who have deuteranopia or protanopia, the two  
most common forms of colour-blindness.  I don't have either condition  
myself, but I've been bitten by this before in web pages I've  
created...  in particular the green and yellow shades are almost  
identical for people with either condition.


Tim


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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-9 (source all i386)

2008-01-29 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:34:29 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 462857 462880
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-9) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Fix source package upload (Closes: #462880)
   * Fix permissions on debian/changelog to allow binNMU uploads
 (Closes: #462857)
   * Removed texinfo source from docs package - not supported by doc-base
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-8 (source all i386)

2008-01-15 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:16:55 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-8
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 447148 453795
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-8) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New pt_BR debconf translation (Closes: #447148)
   * Fix shlibdeps for am-utils (Closes: #453795)
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Re: Parallel build results

2007-12-03 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 2 Dec 2007, at 2:21 am, Daniel Schepler wrote:

I finally got through the test builds of all the source packages in  
sid for
i386 using dpkg-buildpackage -j3 on a dual core machine.  The  
results as
before are at http://people.debian.org/~schepler/build-logs/bymaint.html 
 .

Some statistics:

   204 built BROKEN packages
  1408 FAILED
   230 FAILED, even with regular build
  8986 succeeded
  1014 succeeded, but with jobserver warnings

These are not encouraging statistics, especially considering the  
fact that
there are undoubtedly many false negatives, so I'll hold off on  
submitting

bug reports for now.


Well, am-utils lists as building broken packages, but when I looked at  
the log, it was just that the parallel build had produced the multiple  
binary packages in a different order from the serial build.  At least,  
that's my interpretation of the following from debdiff:


Files moved or copied from at least TWO packages or to at least TWO  
packages

- 
- -rw-r--r--  root/root   DEBIAN/control
From packages: am-utils-doc, am-utils, libamu4, libamu-dev
To packages: am-utils-doc, libamu4, libamu-dev, am-utils
- -rw-r--r--  root/root   DEBIAN/md5sums
From packages: am-utils-doc, am-utils, libamu4, libamu-dev
To packages: am-utils-doc, libamu4, libamu-dev, am-utils
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From packages: am-utils-doc, am-utils, libamu4
To packages: am-utils-doc, libamu4, am-utils
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From packages: am-utils, libamu4
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Or does that mean something more basic that's wrong with the packages?

Tim
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Re: Parallel build results

2007-12-03 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 3 Dec 2007, at 12:43 pm, Daniel Schepler wrote:


Control files of package am-utils: lines which differ (wdiff format)

Depends: libamu4 (= 6.1.5-7), portmap, {+libamu4,+} libc6 (=  
2.6.1-1),
libgdbm3, libhesiod0, libldap2 (= 2.1.17-1), libwrap0, perl,  
debconf (=

1.2.0), ucf, debianutils (= 1.6)

So the Depends line got changed in the parallel build.


Sure, yes, I realise that one.  Don't know why it's happening though.  
It may change though as I make changes do deal with the shlibdeps  
stuff that's also going on at the moment, so I'm going to deal with  
that first, and see whether this problem persists afterwards.


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Accepted tkcvs 8.0.4-2 (source all)

2007-09-16 Thread Tim Cutts
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Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.0.4-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 442111
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.0.4-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Fixed bug in cvscfg(editor) handling, which caused .tkcvs to grow
 (Closes: #442111)
Files: 
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-7 (source all i386)

2007-08-13 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Wed,  8 Aug 2007 16:36:24 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 436308
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-7) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Added build-dependency on po-debconf to satisfy lintian
   * Changed build-dependency on libwrap-dev to libwrap0-dev (Closes: #436308)
Files: 
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Accepted tkcvs 8.0.4-1 (source all)

2007-08-13 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:31:15 +0100
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.0.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 375686 399391 417572
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.0.4-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version (Closes: #375686, #399391)
   * New tkdirdiff program
   * Fixed some minor errors in packaging flagged up by lintian
   * Menu entry correctly removed on package removal (Closes: #417572)
Files: 
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-6 (source all powerpc)

2007-07-05 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:12:53 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all powerpc
Version: 6.1.5-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 422415 427260
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-6) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Enabled autofs support (nfs remains the default)
   * init script modified to try to be more thorough when shutting down amd
 especially when using autofs as the mount method.
   * Added Italian debconf translation (Closes: #422415).
   * Added build dependency on linux-kernel-headers, and backported autoconf
 change for kernel version from 6.1.6 CVS prerelease (Closes: #427260).
Files: 
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Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?

2007-06-12 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 11 Jun 2007, at 9:22 pm, Josselin Mouette wrote:


You seem to strongly believe the cheap desktop hard disk is different
from the server hard disk. This is entirely wrong. Apart from 10k and
15k rpm disks, these are all strictly the same. Only the electronics
change.


That's not true, unfortunately.  They also have different design  
criteria for duty cycles, and more stringent MTBF testing  
requirements.  There's been a lot of assertion in this thread,  
without any real data, so this post provides links to some hard data  
provided by disk manufacturers.


Here follows a posting I sent to the Bioclusters mailing list a few  
months ago, which includes PDF documents from Seagate showing that  
their desktop products are absolutely *not* equivalent to their  
higher-end spindles:


Quote begins:

Practical experience of running a petabyte of storage arrays here is  
what I'm basing my opinion on, not claims for device MTBF.  Besides,  
MTBF is highly dependent on duty cycle.  MTBF figures are meaningless  
if you don't also consider the duty cycle.  You need to make sure the  
spindles are designed for a 24/7 duty cycle.  Cheap SATA drives  
normally are not.


Anyway, you asked for figures, so here we are, from a spindle  
manufacturer and (later) from Microsoft (yes, I know):


http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/marketing/tp_544_tiered_storage.pdf

Their nearline fibrechannel drives have an MTBF of 1 million hours,  
24/7 duty cycle, read/write.  Their desktop SATA drives have an MTBF  
of 600,000 hours, but that's for an 8x5 largely read-only duty  
cycle.  If you abuse them by running them 24x7 read-write, I dare say  
it will be considerably less.  But ignoring that,  by my rough  
estimate, a double drive failure causing data loss of your RAID5  
array using desktop SATA drives will probably happen about four times  
more frequently than using fibrechannel disks.  Of course, you can  
buy high MTBF SATA drives but (surprise!) they cost about the same as  
the fibrechannel ones.


More details here about what Seagate put in their cheap drives vs.  
the expensive ones:


http://www.seagate.com/content/docs/pdf/whitepaper/ 
D2c_More_than_Interface_ATA_vs_SCSI_042003.pdf


There are also some sobering graphs in this joint presentation from  
Seagate and Microsoft (apologies for the Powerpoint):


http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/8/f/98f3fe47- 
dfc3-4e74-92a3-088782200fe7/TWST05005_WinHEC05.ppt


The graph showing the probability of second disk error during RAID5  
rebuild on desktop and server drives is slightly scary even for  
server drives, but positively terrifying for the cheap drives.  This  
of course, is why we use RAID6 and a hot spare in our large Lustre  
filesystems.  RAID5 is simply not reliable enough, using the SATA  
drives which underly our SFS servers.


As many others have said in this thread, you get cheap or reliable.   
You do not get both.


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Re: Large static datasets like genomes (Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

2007-06-11 Thread Tim Cutts


On 10 Jun 2007, at 6:38 pm, Steffen Moeller wrote:


On Sunday 10 June 2007 17:20:54 you wrote:

On 9 Jun 2007, at 11:27 am, Steffen Moeller wrote:

Once a (computational) biologist starts a new
project, (s)he wants the latest data no matter what and anything
older than
three months (or a week sometimes) is likely not to be acceptable.


Actually, my experience is that they tend to want diametrically
opposite things,
at the same time.

1)  When starting a new project, they usually want the very latest  
data.

2)  But they usually then want to keep that data static for the
lifetime of
 the project.


:o) very true. For 1) I hink that Debian packages for databases do  
not work.

They might well work for 2), though.


... except that they usually want several versions present at once,  
which

would mean a completely separate package name for each release.  Ick.

But ... how can one directly access a feature on the genome that  
has no
accession number because you have just found it across releases of  
Ensembl?


*  base pairs and chromosome ID does not work across (NCBI) releases
*  centiMorgans are too vague
* distances in bp relative to the nearest genomic marker? Not too bad,
probably.

The easiest seems indeed to keep the data on which whatever results  
are

computed which is diagnosed as behaviour 2).


Oh, yes, I'm not saying the requirement isn't *reasonable*.  It just  
makes life difficult!


Tim




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Large static datasets like genomes (Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

2007-06-06 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 5 Jun 2007, at 9:47 pm, Roger Leigh wrote:


Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 06:28:53PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

Le Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 10:09:07AM +0200, Michael Hanke a ?crit :
My question is now: Is it reasonable to provide this rather huge  
amount

of data in a package in the archive?
many thanks for bringing this crucial question on -devel. In my  
field, I
wish that it would be possible to apt-get install the human  
genome for

instance.


Are either of you going to debconf, or able to point out some example
large (free?) data sets that should be packaged like this as a  
test case

for playing with over debconf?


The NCBI non-redundant database (nr).  Having this packaged and
frequently updated (maybe in volatile) would be fantastic.  There are
also quite a number of other significant (popular) databases used for
bioinformatics, genomics, proteomics and other biological fields which
would be really nice to have in Debian.  Here's a selection:

ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/blast/db/
ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/refseq/
ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/repository/
ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/pub/taxonomy/

Because these are all in standard formats, it might even be possible
to have updated packages generated and uploaded semi-automatically.
These would be really useful in conjunction with much of the
bioinformatics software already available in Debian, which could make
good use of them if they were put in standardised locations.


Obviously such things can't be put into Debian directly; Debian  
doesn't update nearly fast enough.  There's nothing to stop you  
creating a repository of data .deb files though, separate from Debian  
itself, which people can track.  Especially if the BitTorrent  
distribution method becomes a reality.


Here at the Sanger Institute, we use Debian heavily, but we  
specifically *don't* use Debian tools for either bioinformatics  
software or the large data sets.  Reasons for this:


1)  Currently, package management requires root access, and we want  
users to be able to update their own data sets (aside:  I'd love it  
if we could have some sort of user package system which could allow  
non-root users to install software packages in areas they have access  
to, and yet have full dependency checking on the main system packages)


2)  Having large data sets in packages installed on lots of machines  
wastes a lot of disk space, especially when modern cluster  
filesystems can get you just as good performance with only a single  
copy of the data.


3)  The frequency with which updates are required is much too high to  
make the effort of the packaging worth it.  Sanger has instead a  
single centrally maintained set of data sets, with a MySQL database  
attached which stores things like (a) the upstream version of the  
data (b) when it was downloaded (c) which local machines are known to  
have copies.  There are then scripts which can be run to do things  
like ask what version of a database I can see locally, and whether  
there is a newer version available centrally.  If so, which files do  
I need to rsync to obtain a new copy?



As has been mentioned previously, a separate archive section so that
mirrors could skip them would be nice.  Together, all these databases
are eye-wateringly huge.  Especially when uncompressed.


If you archive them, it really is going to get eye-watering.  As you  
know, these databases are growing exponentially, and if you want to  
save historical versions as well...  argh!  Even Ensembl has  
abandoned the idea of keeping the data forever.


As an aside, several people in this list are interested in large  
scale biological data, and you may or may not be aware that I'm  
giving a presentation at debconf about what we're doing at the Sanger  
Institute, and how Debian fits in.  I imagine some of you would like  
to come to that talk, and if you wish to contact me off list to  
suggest things you particularly want me to talk about, then please  
do.  Some of the topics I could cover:


1)  Management of a thousand node cluster (choice of hardware,  
automated installation, configuration management, monitoring)

2)  Parallel filesystems (Lustre, GPFS, PVFS etc)
3)  Scalability issues in genomic analysis (especially in the  
software which builds and then presents http://www.ensembl.org)

4)  Maintaining our own package repository
5)  Migration from Tru64 to Debian
6)  Multipath SAN access, failover and so on
7)  Approaches to job scheduling on large clusters
8)  Problems with MySQL at this scale

Feel free to suggest to me things that you'd find interesting to talk  
about.


Tim
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Re: Large static datasets like genomes (Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

2007-06-06 Thread Tim Cutts


On 6 Jun 2007, at 12:00 pm, Andreas Tille wrote:


On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Tim Cutts wrote:

... (some interesting points)


There were many valid points in your mail but even if the issue
was raised at the example of biological data it is a more general
issue for others as well.  It might be that we could:

   0. Find a solution for large data sets in generel
   1. Find a solution for static biological data (I couldn't believe
  that all biological data are really changing that frequently).


Sadly, it does.  Data sets like the human genome are being constantly  
tweaked and re-evaluated in the light of more recent discoveries.   
New assemblies of the raw sequence are produced at irregular  
intervals, but additional data in the form of ESTs (expressed  
sequence tags, for the non-bioinformaticians that are still awake)  
and similar forms comes online all the time, and that's why Ensembl  
is completely rebuilt from scratch every two months.  It used to be  
once a month, but now that we do more than 20 genomes, and not just  
human, we don't have enough human and silicon resources to do the  
whole thing that frequently any more.



   2. Find a solution that might make the kind of handling of
  dynamical data as you described more user firendly (bittorrent).


Bittorrent's main downside, as far as I can see, is that it tends to  
work best when there are lots of subscribers to the data, which isn't  
always the case.  It also tends to require the sort of firewall rules  
which scare the pants of most network admins.



As an aside, several people in this list are interested in large
scale biological data, and you may or may not be aware


A least readers of debian-med mailing list should be aware :) :

http://lists.debian.org/debian-med/2007/06/msg3.html


Cool, thanks for that.



As the message above says I would like to organise a Debian-Med
day where I would really like to discuss some things in a round
of people who are interested in medicine and microbiology.  It
would be great if you would join this.


Sure.


  I have no idea whether
you will be in Edinburgh the whole time.  If not just suggest
a day where you would like to meet with others (in case you are
interested).


I'm not there for the whole thing; I arrive on Tuesday at about  
lunchtime, and will be leaving on Friday afternoon.



I personally would be mostly interested in top 4 (Maintaining our own
package repository).


Fine - the top listed things were the things that first spring to  
mind, and that I usually find myself talking about!


Tim


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Re: Alpha for developers?

2007-05-14 Thread Tim Cutts


On 10 Apr 2007, at 1:54 am, Steve Langasek wrote:


Hi Bernd,

On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:27:05PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:


Sam Hocevar mentioned on his platform that there is no Alpha machine
available for developers. As we have a few standing around in a  
cellar

at work I'd be willing to setup one or two of them to be used as
machines for developers, if there's anybody interested in that  
(and the

machines still work).


I believe there is a machine earmarked as a porter box that will be  
brought
on-line soon at the same facility hosting the most recently added  
buildd

(goetz.d.o).  If that falls through, I'll let you know.


Indeed - the machine (a four-way ES45 with 8 GB RAM) is ready and  
waiting for the DSA's to do their stuff.  Apologies for the delay,  
but it's out of my hands now.  We've provided the machine, it's up to  
Ryan and friends to get the machine set up the way it needs to be for  
DD's to use.


Tim


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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-5 (source all i386)

2007-03-18 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:17:49 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 414770
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Added nl debconf translation (Closes: #414770).
Files: 
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-4 (source all i386)

2007-03-05 Thread Tim Cutts
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Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 407579 413343 413386
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New Galician debconf translation (Closes: #413343)
   * Updated Portuguese and German debconf translations (Closes: #407579,
 #413386).
   * Converted all debconf translations to UTF-8
Files: 
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Re: I *love* goodbye-microsoft.com

2007-02-25 Thread Tim Cutts


On 24 Feb 2007, at 12:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Strangely, I feel a tiny pang of guilt. I now have an apple box
for the first time in decades.  One of the main deciding factors  
was to

buy unixy goodness :-)


That was my main reason for buying an Apple four or so years ago.


but also to get some exposure to OSX. I tried for
a while to live in OSX, but in the end I installed Debian on it. It's
not that I couldn't build everything I wanted, it's just that not  
having
everything just work is like going back in time ten years. It's not  
that

there isn't ports or fink, but there isn't debian, short of a full
install, and the alternatives don't measure up.  It's not that I
couldn't take debian to osx (in my fevered imagination), it's that I'm
too lazy to even try.


Well, that's sort of what fink is.

I have to sheepishly admit that I use OS X every day on my Apple  
machines.  I don't have Debian installed on any of them - I do my DD  
work on server machines.  The main reason for that is that I still  
think that for GUI things Apple have the edge over any of the Linux  
alternatives.  The UI is simple, functional, and well integrated.   
Debian is fabulous in so many ways, but I still don't think any Linux  
distribution really cuts it on the desktop (although I do administer  
a network of 300 Debian desktop machines at work, so I don't think  
it's *that* bad).


I've also been very pleased to not the fairly vibrant OSS community  
that has grown up around OS X.  There is a *lot* of really quite good  
free software work going on for OS X (Fink, Camino, Adium,  
SSHKeychain being the principal ones I use every single day).  Yes,  
there's a lot of Windows-style shareware too, but I think the free  
stuff is reaching critical mass, when it becomes difficult for the  
shareware authors to justify their position, when that developer over  
there --- is offering something open and free.


Having said that, when I can justify it to my good lady wife, I'm  
looking forward to buying an Intel Mac and being able to run OS X and  
Linux simultaneously - I tried doing DD work under Virtual PC for a  
while, but it was a non-starter.  Just way too slow.  Just the  
configure script on one of my packages (am-utils, which admittedly  
has the configure script from hell) took more than an hour to run  
under Virtual PC on my 1 GHz PowerBook.


Tim


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Re: Debian in Sanger (Re: update on binary upload restrictions)

2007-02-06 Thread Tim Cutts


On 6 Feb 2007, at 11:22 am, Wouter Verhelst wrote:

http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/install/xe_on_debian.html

(dunno whether that's what you need, but Oracle does support their
products on Debian these days, if I understand them correctly)


Yes, I know about that (and indeed have given it a whirl), but they  
don't really support it properly.  It's a case of we've made this  
available for you, but if it doesn't work, tough and that's with the  
ridiculous uber-expensive support contract we have.


Tim


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Re: Debian in Sanger (Re: update on binary upload restrictions)

2007-02-02 Thread Tim Cutts


On 2 Feb 2007, at 10:28 am, Gabor Gombas wrote:


On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:10:56PM +, Tim Cutts wrote:


What I'd actually like is some sort of non-root packaging system so
that users could build software with decent dependency checking for
their shared software infrastructure.   Can dpkg be cajoled into
doing that?


I knew people who were doing this with rpm. AFAIK the only tricky part
was the pre-seeding of the RPM database with some packages that were
installed on the system level (like libc) so the dependency tracking
could work. dpkg also has a --root ... option, but unfortunately  
dpkg
seems to check for root privileges before trying to install a  
package so

it is pretty much useless.


Yes, indeed, because --root does a chroot() which requires root  
privilege.  What I'm basically after is a dpkg-alike that uses a  
different root directory, but without using a chroot, so that non- 
root users can use it.


Tim


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Re: Debian in Sanger (Re: update on binary upload restrictions)

2007-02-01 Thread Tim Cutts


On 1 Feb 2007, at 1:00 am, Charles Plessy wrote:


(Sorry for the noise, I reply on the list since Sanger's mail server
thinks I am a spammer.


Does it?

I am very interested to hear that Sanger is using Debian on  
thousands of

machines. Do not hesitate to tell us a bit more on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bioinformatics is part of our effort  
as we

include it in pre-clinical research, and we would love to see our
priorities a bit more user-driven.


Well, we basically use Debian everywhere we can; we have a few  
machines running other Linux variants where support requires it  
(Oracle, mainly).


Our Top 500 compute cluster runs almost entirely Debian, this  
consists of 600 machines.  Two are Tru64 Alphaservers, two are SGI  
Altix 350's running a horrible old version of Red Hat, and the  
remainder are all IBM blade servers running Debian.  A total of 1462  
CPUs.


All the Debian machines use the HP SFS cluster filesystem (HP's  
productized version of Lustre) for sharing data.  Job scheduling is  
with Platform LSF, and configuration management is with cfengine2  
(our own modification of this; the package currently in etch lacks  
some features we need).


Of the 700 or so desktop machines in the Institute, about 300 are  
running Debian, the rest Windows.  There is a possibility we may move  
the desktop machines to Ubuntu, but that is not decided yet.  Again,  
configuration management, in common with the cluster, is through  
cfengine2.


We maintain our own internal package repository for both home-grown  
packages and local modifications of standard debian packages,  
backports and whatnot.


We're quite keen to present something about all this at Debconf; I  
realise the deadline has passed, but hopefully they'll squeeze us in...


For the moment, I am finishing to improve support of multiple  
alignment

programs, and will work on EMBOSS with others soon.

http://wiki.debian.org/SequenceAlignment
http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-emboss/


Generally, we are not using Debian packaging techniques for  
bioinformatics software.  The software requirements of the users move  
too quickly, so packaged versions are always out of date, and  
besides, different users often require different versions, so we just  
leave the maintenance of such software packages to the users  
themselves, and store them on a central BlueArc NFS server.


That's not to say that your packaging efforts are not valuable; I  
think they're extremely valuable, and will help small laboratories  
and the like build functional bioinformatics systems very quickly  
without requiring large amounts of assistance from dedicated support  
staff they probably can't afford.


Regards,

Tim


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Re: Debian in Sanger (Re: update on binary upload restrictions)

2007-02-01 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 1 Feb 2007, at 1:30 pm, Steffen Moeller wrote:


Have you installed the popularity-contest package?


No.  The network admin didn't like the idea of all the mail  
messages.  I think I might just ignore him though.  :-)


There is probably no point for Debian to compete in the package  
versions with
upstream developers of BioPerl, Wise, EMBOSS and whatever other  
tools yours

and your neighbouring institutes' are providing :o)


What I'd actually like is some sort of non-root packaging system so  
that users could build software with decent dependency checking for  
their shared software infrastructure.   Can dpkg be cajoled into  
doing that?


A main difference of Debian to other Linux distributions is  
probably the
merger of us and you/them, ours and yours/theirs. I am very  
confident
that you will find sponsors external to the Sanger Center of even  
within who
would help in getting your changes into the main distribution. It  
should be
only a few days between submission and its appearance in unstable.  
Please
contact Debian-Med whenever you feel that some action from the side  
of the
Debian commuity could possibly be beneficial for your cause. And  
somehow I

hope that you already feel a part of the community.


Thanks.  :-)

Tim
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Re: update on binary upload restrictions

2007-01-30 Thread Tim Cutts


On 25 Jan 2007, at 1:23 am, James Troup wrote:


 (a) we don't currently have the buildd infrastructure for this - it
 would require a minimum of 2 (preferably 3) machines dedicated to
 being i386 buildds.  It would also make i386 uploads much more
 sensitive to delays and really require better coverage than one
 human could provide.


Sanger could easily host at least one of these, in addition to the  
new alpha buildd we host.  We have reserved 6 IP addresses in the  
firewall zone that goetz.debian.org sits in, so we can host another 5  
machines for whatever purpose the Debian Admins would like.  We have  
lots of bandwidth, and management buy-in to us hosting this stuff is  
strong (after all, we use Debian on thousands of machines here, so  
it's in our interests to help the project work)


Tim


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Bug#407446: [Fwd: Re: Bug#407446: general: automatic mount network share in filesystem.]

2007-01-26 Thread Tim Cutts


On 24 Jan 2007, at 10:08 am, Jean-Michel wrote:

[am-utils]


This seems to works with NFS.
But what's about Samba?


Out of the box, no, but it can do so if you create your maps  
correctly; am-utils supports using arbitrary mount programs, so you  
can tell it how to use smbmount, for example.  See:


http://www.am-utils.org/docs/am-utils/am-utils_10.html#SEC109

However, you will have the problem of what user to mount the  
filesystem as, since SMB requires, as I understand it, authentication  
against the server before you can mount the filesystem, and you then  
mount the filesystem with the credentials and access rights of that  
user.  For read-only guest shares, that's not a problem, but for read- 
write access it is.  So (a) you'd have to hard code the access  
credentials into the mount script you give to am-utils, and (b) all  
users on the system would be accessing the SMB share with the access  
rights of this hard-coded user.  Again, that's possibly OK if this is  
a single-user system, but it's no good on a multi-user system.


Tim



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Re: status of disk i/o per process

2007-01-09 Thread Tim Cutts


On 31 Dec 2006, at 6:34 pm, liran tal wrote:


Thanks for the reply Steinar.
The blktrace is a tool and I was wondering if there's something in / 
proc

itself that I can use
to get some info regarding the disk i/o per process.


Yes, there is.

echo 1  /proc/sys/vm/block_dump

causes the kernel to log all I/O, so it all appears in your syslog.   
It's probably not something you want to leave switched on.  :-)


Tim


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Re: arches and etch

2006-12-18 Thread Tim Cutts


On 3 Nov 2006, at 5:30 pm, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:


On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 04:55:04PM +, Tim Cutts wrote:

The 486 was the first CPU in the X86 family to have an integral FPU.


Only the 486DX; the 486SX didn't.


Being thoroughly pedantic, yes it did, but it was disabled in the  
hardware.  When you installed a 487, it disabled your 486SX  
completely, and you were effectively running with a normal 486.  A  
more interesting question is when Intel finally integrated the 86 and  
87 processors; as I understand it, the 486 was effectively just a 386  
and 387 in a single package; the regions of silicon were still quite  
discrete.  I'd heard that that situation lasted for some time, but I  
don't know when they were properly integrated.  It's kind of like  
Intel's new so-called four-core chips, which are basically just two  
of the current dual-core CPUs in a single package (which has  
interesting implications for memory contention issues, which led to  
some interesting discussions at SC06 last month)



(Are we offtopic now? :-) )


Oh yeah!  :-)

Tim


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Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils [was: Re: Upgrading the priority of ucf]

2006-12-18 Thread Tim Cutts


On 6 Nov 2006, at 9:26 am, Josselin Mouette wrote:


Le jeudi 02 novembre 2006 à 05:22 -0800, Josh Triplett a écrit :
I would suggest b); reducing the standard set of packages seems  
like a

feature, it won't break upgrades (if installed, the package will stay
installed), and new installs don't need to get nfs-kernel-server  
as part

of the *default* install.


We're not talking about the NFS server, but of the NFS client. And a
working NFS client is surely something we want as part of the default
install.


If someone wants to run an nfs server, they
can install an nfs server package, either nfs-kernel-server or
nfs-user-server (no good reason to prefer one to the other).


nfs-user-server is deprecated. I think we shouldn't even ship it at  
all.


I still use it on some real-world servers, but I can't now remember  
why.  I definitely found something which only worked with the  
userland server.  Wish I could remember what it was, but since the  
machines in question are production servers, I'm not about to mess  
with them to find out...


Tim


Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils

2006-12-18 Thread Tim Cutts


On 7 Nov 2006, at 3:40 am, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:


Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Le jeudi 02 novembre 2006 à 05:22 -0800, Josh Triplett a écrit :
I would suggest b); reducing the standard set of packages  
seems like a
feature, it won't break upgrades (if installed, the package will  
stay
installed), and new installs don't need to get nfs-kernel-server  
as part

of the *default* install.


We're not talking about the NFS server, but of the NFS client. And a
working NFS client is surely something we want as part of the  
default

install.


What's the rationale for needing it as part of the default install?

The majority of the Debian (and GNU/Linux systems in general) I see
tend to not use NFS at all.  Do we have any usage statistics for the
NFS client?


But wouldn't you be surprised if mount -tnfs server:/path
/local/path suddenly wouldn't work anymore in a fresh install?

And I'm not sure that you are right with your majority claim. A lot of
larger installations use nfs and they quickly add up to a lot of
systems rivaling the rest of the user base in numbers.


Perhaps it's time I installed popcon on the 1000+ Debian systems I  
maintain as part of my job...  :-)


Tim


Re: Downgrading the priority of nfs-utils

2006-12-18 Thread Tim Cutts


On 7 Nov 2006, at 11:17 pm, Brian May wrote:

Goswin == Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
tuebingen.de writes:


Goswin But wouldn't you be surprised if mount -tnfs server:/path
Goswin /local/path suddenly wouldn't work anymore in a fresh
Goswin install?

Not really, no.

I would be more surprised if it did work. NFS has a reputation of
being insecure.

I am not aware of any organisations, big/small, that use NFS any more
except on restricted sets of computers.


puts hand up
Er, here.  Global NFS home directories.  And at the last place I  
worked.  And the place before that.  Oh, actually, in every single  
place I've worked for the past 10 years.


I suppose you could claim the set of machines running NFS is  
restricted in that it's behind a firewall, but that's the only sense.


Tim


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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-3 (source all i386)

2006-11-27 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:37:54 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 400229
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Moved amq-check-wrap check from config back to postinst (Closes: #400229).
   * Fixed an error in the postrm script
Files: 
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Re: arches and etch

2006-11-03 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 31 Oct 2006, at 3:07 am, Ron Johnson wrote:


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On 10/30/06 14:43, Bill Allombert wrote:

On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 01:04:28PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:

[snip]

Because we never had ?  We have dropped support for i386, but only
a fraction of i386 had a MMU and so were able to run Linux, and this
change was forced upon us by the rest of the world.




I'm very sure that all 386 chips had MMU.

You might have been thinking of the 386SX, which did not have an
FPU.  However, it could easily (but *slowly*) run Linux when enable
 software FP was enabled in the kernel.


Er, none of the 386 chips had an FPU.  IIRC, the difference between a  
386DX and a 386SX was the interface to the rest of the machine; the  
386SX has interface circuitry similar to a 286, so that hardware  
manufacturers didn't need to design a completely new board for a 386  
machine, but could adapt their existing (cheap) 286 designs instead.


The 486 was the first CPU in the X86 family to have an integral FPU.

Tim

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Accepted tkcvs 8.0.3-2 (source all)

2006-10-03 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Tue,  3 Oct 2006 09:06:16 +0100
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.0.3-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.0.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated to policy 3.7.2
Files: 
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Accepted tkcvs 8.0.3-3 (source all)

2006-10-03 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Tue,  3 Oct 2006 09:21:57 +0100
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.0.3-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 368824
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.0.3-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Included desktop icon patch from Ubuntu (Closes: #368824)
Files: 
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-2 (source all i386)

2006-10-02 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Sun,  1 Oct 2006 08:27:02 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 376057 377897 388706
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Re-working of packaging scripts to meet policy, and place
 /etc/default/am-utils under ucf control.
   * Added LSB INIT INFO to init script as per policy
   * Renamed pt_PT translation to pt (Closes: #376057)
   * Updated fr, pt, cs, sv, vi and ja translations.
 (Closes #368687, #370301, #379952, #379993, #388664, #388757, #389131,
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   * Adjusted debconf questions according to policy (Closes: #377897, #388706)
   * Fixed incorrect command line when setting the cluster name in
 /etc/default/am-utils
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Re: Deploying configuration as packages

2006-08-31 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 30 Aug 2006, at 7:23 pm, Josselin Mouette wrote:



First question to the developers, what are you using for deploying
configuration on your servers?


cfengine.  Currently being used to manage configuration files on  
about 1,500 machines here (mostly Debian, but some Red Hat and SuSE  
as well -- that's one of the benefits of using cfengine, that it will  
work on just about any Unix-like system, so it's particularly useful  
at sites which aren't completely homogeneous).


Tim
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Re: Silly Packaging Problem

2006-08-09 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 8 Aug 2006, at 10:48 pm, martin f krafft wrote:

also sprach Michael S. Peek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.08.2239  
+0100]:

The next time there's an upgrade for courier-authdaemon, won't it
overwrite my version of /etc/courier/authdaemonrc with it's own?


No way. Packages must *never* overwrite your files in /etc.


Is this kind of thing addressed in the Debian Policy Manual (and
I just missed it)?


Well, yes. Section 10.7.

PS: I suggest you look into cfengine2 or parrot, these are designed
to do configuration file changes in an organised fashion. They have
steep learning curves but they're powerful. Doing this with packages
(c.f. dpsyco) is painful, IME.


I second the cfengine2 recommendation.  We're managing configuration  
of around 1000 Debian machines here with it (700 or so IBM blades,  
300 or so desktops, and a handful of other more exotic machines, some  
of which are not using Debian), and for the most part it works like a  
charm, although it does cause some problems when updating packages,  
because of course the cfengine-distributed conffile has a different  
md5sum which will cause dpkg to wibble.  However, since we're  
managing conffiles with cfengine2, we just tell dpkg to always keep  
the existing config file, and that's OK, although it does mean we  
occasionally have to manually look at .dpkg-new files in case there's  
some new option we need to add.


Tim
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Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-18 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 17 May 2006, at 10:46 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:



I found this more instructive:

$ apt-cache search -n .\*-dev\$ | sed 's/ -.*//' | xargs apt-cache  
show

| grep \^Section: | sort | uniq -c
  1 Section: admin
  1 Section: comm
  3 Section: contrib/libdevel
256 Section: devel
  5 Section: doc
  1 Section: electronics
  1 Section: games
  3 Section: gnome
  3 Section: graphics
  6 Section: interpreters
  3 Section: kde
   1379 Section: libdevel


... etc


In other words, on a Sarge system (with backports), over 93% of the
packages (the total is 1757) report themselves as being in devel or
libdevel.  On the whole, I would say that is pretty good.


Playing devil's advocate for a moment:

I would have said there is sometimes an argument for a development  
package not being in devel, but rather being in the same section as  
its 'parent' program;  one could think of devel and libdevel as being  
for general purpose programming tools and libraries.  There could be  
examples where the development files are only really relevant in some  
extremely specialised context (for example some scientific  
application or other) and cluttering up the devel and libdevel  
sections with them just adds noise to those sections.


I'm not saying I actually agree with this, but I can see an argument  
for it.


A case in point might be libamu4-dev, a package for which I am the  
maintainer.  This contains development files for libamu4, the core  
libraries of the BSD automounter.  It is in libdevel, as you'd  
expect.  I find it hard to believe that anyone actually uses these (I  
don't have any practical need for them, and I'm the package  
maintainer!) - they're there in case people want to, but I suspect  
it's a package needed or wanted by a vanishingly small number of  
people, and it certainly doesn't count as a general purpose  
programming library.  Does it really need to be staring people in the  
face in the libdevel section?


Tim

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Re: Bug#367200: ITP: libemail-send-perl -- Simply Sending Email

2006-05-17 Thread Tim Cutts


On 15 May 2006, at 1:13 pm, Henning Makholm wrote:


Scripsit Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED]


More generally, Perl modules to send mail rather than using
/usr/sbin/sendmail are often useful with web applications (or other
applications that need security isolation) that are running in a  
chroot.

To use /usr/sbin/sendmail in the chroot requires setting up a chroot
maildrop, and while there are packages to do this, using some  
module that

can speak SMTP is often the path of least resistance.


Why not just install some software that can speak SMTP as the chroot's
/usr/bin/sendmail? E.g. nullmailer.


I've done that on some systems.  Works quite well.

Tim


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Accepted tkcvs 8.0.3-1 (source all)

2006-05-15 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:06:19 +0100
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.0.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 359222
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.0.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release, fixes some problems with SVN repositories
 (Closes: #359222)
Files: 
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 e0d97a278252b59f1a9b37aff6651beb 1130771 devel optional tkcvs_8.0.3.orig.tar.gz
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tkcvs_8.0.3-1.dsc
  to pool/main/t/tkcvs/tkcvs_8.0.3-1.dsc
tkcvs_8.0.3-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tkcvs/tkcvs_8.0.3-1_all.deb
tkcvs_8.0.3.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/t/tkcvs/tkcvs_8.0.3.orig.tar.gz


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Accepted am-utils 6.1.5-1 (source all i386)

2006-05-15 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:16:46 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.1.5-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
   * Modified rules and control to support cross-compiling and generally
 follow recommendations set out in the autotools-dev package
   * Added AM_UTILS_CLUSTERNAME so that ${cluster} is under debconf control
Files: 
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 bc07514f4316511ace5087b9e6dc3771 1922684 net extra am-utils_6.1.5.orig.tar.gz
 d5da3ea96eac77a934c830f26f59306c 59223 net extra am-utils_6.1.5-1.diff.gz
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am-utils_6.1.5-1.diff.gz
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am-utils_6.1.5-1_i386.deb
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am-utils_6.1.5.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/a/am-utils/am-utils_6.1.5.orig.tar.gz
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  to pool/main/a/am-utils/libamu-dev_6.1.5-1_i386.deb
libamu4_6.1.5-1_i386.deb
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Accepted tkcvs 8.0.1-1 (source all)

2006-02-07 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Tue,  7 Feb 2006 13:49:20 +
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 8.0.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS and Subversion
Closes: 349866
Changes: 
 tkcvs (8.0.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release (Closes: #349866)
   * Updated to DH_COMPAT=4
Files: 
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tkcvs_8.0.1-1.tar.gz
  to pool/main/t/tkcvs/tkcvs_8.0.1-1.tar.gz
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Re: /run vs. /lib/run

2006-01-24 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 22 Dec 2005, at 11:15 am, Peter Samuelson wrote:



[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

I tested this and it works fine. It's also a better solution, since
several packages contain directories in /var/run and ofcourse they
expect them to still exist after a reboot.


That's a bug, IMO - they should mkdir -p in their init scripts if
necessary.  It's not like that's hard to do.


Mailman is one such package (/var/lock in its case, but the  
assumption is the same).  When I suggested making that change to  
Tollef, he wasn't very receptive.  In my case I was mounting /var/run  
and /var/lock as  tmpfs filesystems all the time to reduce hard disk  
access on a machine that was running all the time.


Tim
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.3-2 (source all powerpc)

2006-01-05 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Thu,  5 Jan 2006 12:24:32 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all powerpc
Version: 6.1.3-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 344229
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Moved a stray manpage from /usr/man to /usr/share/man. Closes: #344229
 (by Nathanael Nerode), a release critical bug.  Patch from Lars Wirzenius.
   * Fixed init script not to barf if NIS not set up on machines with FQDN.
Files: 
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 04601cb9940db7deac09eeaaf7a55e9e 55830 net extra am-utils_6.1.3-2.diff.gz
 e0be8cd96b6e273a35562464cecfc3ea 594436 doc extra am-utils-doc_6.1.3-2_all.deb
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  to pool/main/a/am-utils/am-utils-doc_6.1.3-2_all.deb
am-utils_6.1.3-2.diff.gz
  to pool/main/a/am-utils/am-utils_6.1.3-2.diff.gz
am-utils_6.1.3-2.dsc
  to pool/main/a/am-utils/am-utils_6.1.3-2.dsc
am-utils_6.1.3-2_powerpc.deb
  to pool/main/a/am-utils/am-utils_6.1.3-2_powerpc.deb
libamu-dev_6.1.3-2_powerpc.deb
  to pool/main/a/am-utils/libamu-dev_6.1.3-2_powerpc.deb
libamu4_6.1.3-2_powerpc.deb
  to pool/main/a/am-utils/libamu4_6.1.3-2_powerpc.deb


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Re: Bug#338503: ITP: cvssuck -- inefficient cvs repository grabber using cvs command

2005-11-16 Thread Tim Cutts


On 11 Nov 2005, at 2:32 pm, Junichi Uekawa wrote:


Hi,



CVSsuck is a mirroring tool for CVS repositories. Unlike other
tools such as CVSup or rsync, it uses cvs command to access the
repository. So, it works well with remote repositories without
a special server or shell account. However it is inefficient and
not perfect because CVS client/server protocol is not designed for
mirroring. If a server provides special way to grab a repository,
you shouldn't use CVSsuck.



Sounds like this is best kept out of the archive then...



To me it sounded like a pretty good idea,
if the server only provides anonymous pserver CVS access.


I wouldn't call it a mirror though; how does it manage to fetch the  
complete repository including history?  It doesn't do something evil  
like fetch the cvs log, and then fetch every single revision for  
every file, does it?  I shudder to think what would happen if it does  
that and someone pointed it at the largest public CVS server I  
maintain (cvs.sanger.ac.uk) which has several GB of CVS repository.   
The Ensembl source code alone has had about 60,000 revisions made to  
it in its life (judging by the revision number that I ended up with  
when I converted it to a Subversion repository as an experiment).


If it's not doing anything as complex as that, what does it give you  
that just using cvs checkout doesn't?


Tim


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Re: master's mail backlog and upgrade time

2005-11-16 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 15 Nov 2005, at 2:34 pm, Steve Langasek wrote:


 * The mail backlog that `will never be able to be delivered' was
   (as far as I can tell) all spam that chiark has been properly
   rejecting.



No: there is nothing proper about rejecting mail from a host that  
you have

configured to forward mail for you.


I can see where you're coming from, but it's unavoidable, isn't it?   
Most of us probably have accounts which forward email to us, and  
over which we have no control; for example in my case I have two, one  
at debian.org, and one at Cambridge University (cantab.net), as well  
as any number of mailing lists.  If those upstream sources are more  
lax about spam than the downstream SMTP receiver (whether chiark or  
something else) then this sort of thing is inevitable.


I happen to have a chiark account, and my chiark address is the  
primary one I use for Debian development (see the maintainer field  
for any of my packages, or indeed the address from which I post to  
Debian mailing lists like this one) so I have some personal interest  
in this particular issue.


It does seem it was a little hasty to have blanket-banned chiark- 
bound email, especially when it is well known that there are a  
significant number of DD's that use the machine.


I specifically use chiark for things as publicly visible as my Debian  
package maintenance address, news and mailing list postings,  
precisely *because* of its somewhat draconian anti-spam measures.


Tim
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.3-1 (source all powerpc)

2005-11-10 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:01:48 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all powerpc
Version: 6.1.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 330260 331566 336341
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version (Closes: #331566)
   * Updated sv translation (Closes: #330260)
   * New pt_PT translation thanks to Marco Ferra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Closes: #336341)
   * Re-worked rules file to use dh_install rather than dh_movefiles
Files: 
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Accepted am-utils 6.1.1-1 (source all alpha)

2005-09-10 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Thu,  1 Sep 2005 15:34:06 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: am-utils libamu-dev libamu4 am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all alpha
Version: 6.1.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu4- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 89029 248388 276559 318521
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.1.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version (Closes: #318521)
   * Added ldap support (Closes: #276559)
   * Cookbook modified to reflect the lack of extended regexps (Closes:
 #248388)
   * mtab / mounts discrepancies believed fixed upstream (Closes: #89029)
   * Moved libamu.la into -dev package in accordance with policy section 10.2
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Re: long long support on all archs?

2005-08-31 Thread Tim Cutts


On 31 Aug 2005, at 9:54 am, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:


[Ondrej Sury]


I am unsure if such patch would be accepted upstream, since Cyrus
runs on more then Linux and *BSD variants.

Does Solaris/AIX/whatever(tm) has stdint.h?



I believe both SOlaris and AIX got it.  It is a POSIX standard  
header.  Check
URL:http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/ 
stdint.h.html#tag_13_48.


And the int64_t type is required if the platform support 64-bit
integer types.


Tru64 has it too, as does Mac OS X.  I thought it was pretty much  
*the* portable way of doing this, these days.  Where I work, use of  
this header has solved a lot of problems; interestingly we tend to  
get 32/64 bit assumptions which are the opposite way around from  
normal - this place has been using Alphas more or less since they  
came out, and a lot of [less than careful] C coders here got used to  
assuming long was 64-bit (which it is, on Tru64), which gave them  
some nasty surprises when they tried to run their code on non-Alpha  
boxes.  :-)


Tim.


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Accepted tkcvs 7.2.4-1 (source all)

2005-08-31 Thread Tim Cutts
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Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 7.2.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS
Changes: 
 tkcvs (7.2.4-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * Updated to standards version 3.6.2
Files: 
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Accepted am-utils 6.0.9-4 (source all alpha)

2005-08-23 Thread Tim Cutts
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Format: 1.7
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:36:11 +0100
Source: am-utils
Binary: libamu2 am-utils libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all alpha
Version: 6.0.9-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu2- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 205794 206440 249666 274223 276738 285095 307135 313030 313248 314133
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.0.9-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New maintainer
   * Fully closes bugs fixed by prior NMUs (closes: #285095, #205794,
 #206440, #274223, #276738, #249666).
   * Added source dependency on recent texi2html
   * German debconf translation fixes from Jens Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 (closes: #314133)
   * Vietnamese debconf from Clytie Siddall [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 (closes: #313030)
   * Japanese debconf from Kenshi Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]. (closes: #307135)
   * Updated Czech debconf from Miroslav Kure [EMAIL PROTECTED].
 (closes: #313248)
   * Removed a couple of bashisms from am-utils config, postinst and postrm.
   * Purging no longer incorrectly deletes files in /etc/am-utils that were not
 created by the package.
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Re: launchd and lookupd

2005-06-11 Thread Tim Cutts

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On 2 May 2005, at 9:14 am, martin f krafft wrote:


Apple has just released launchd, a init/cron/watchdog/etc.
replacement. Has anyone looked at it? It seems like a bit of work to
port it to Linux, but then it's also possibly a great tool which
could revolutionise the sysv-rc stuff we have in Debian without us
having to write dependency-rc.


I've been looking at launchd a little lately, on my Mac OS X box.  I  
wanted to run squid and dnsmasq on it, so I ended up looking into  
launchd a little.  I like the look of what I've seen.  A fast boot  
process (which is certainly the case for me - Mac OS X 10.4 boots  
much faster than 10.3 on my machines) is only part of it; the ability  
for users to use it to create really quite sophisticated automated  
tasks - such as taking some action automatically if someone deposits  
a file in the FTP incoming directory, for example - is really good,  
and simple to use.


I haven't quite got its handling of boot time dependencies right; the  
launchd manpages aren't entirely comprehensive, it seems to me...


Tim

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Re: distributed batch processing

2005-05-18 Thread Tim Cutts
On 18 May 2005, at 8:18 am, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 17 mai 2005 à 23:47 -0700, Ron Chen a écrit :
All of those are opensource (even the EE mode) and can
be downloaded from the SGE homepage:
http://gridengine.sunsource.net
At first glance, this doesn't look DFSG-free.
Indeed not, but it's less non-free than LSF.  :-)
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Re: distributed batch processing

2005-05-13 Thread Tim Cutts
On 13 May 2005, at 2:05 pm, Paul Brossier wrote:
queue *is* in woody, and is planned to go in sarge as it is. i will 
bump
the severity of the bug i reported to serious.
It must have made it back in eventually then - it got pulled at one 
stage because it did very nasty things to /dev/tty:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=56931archive=yes
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Re: distributed batch processing

2005-05-11 Thread Tim Cutts
On 10 May 2005, at 1:05 am, Paul Brossier wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking at ways to distribute batch jobs on various hosts.
Essentially, i have N different command lines, and M different
hosts to run them on:
foo -i file1.data -p 0.1
foo -i file2.data -p 0.1
foo -i file3.data -p 0.1
...
foo -i file1.data -p 0.2
...
I had a try with 'queue' [1], but it seems rather obsolete now.
I am now seeking recent alternatives. I went across a few
solutions, such as DQS [2] (non-free, unmaintained), OpenPBS [3]
(non-free), and distribulator [4] (looks interesting).
Now i feel like i have missed something obvious. Is there a tool
out there that i could use as a drop in replacement for queue?
This is not the right forum for this question.
However, I'll answer you anyway, since I know something about this.  
The two market leaders for this sort of processing are Sun GridEngine 
(which is free [as in beer, at least]) and Platform LSF, which is 
proprietary and costs $$$, but is very good at what it does.

Both products can do what you are asking.  Personally, I use LSF in my 
day job on a ~1500 CPU cluster, running a mixture of Red Hat 8.0, 
Debian sarge (on newer X86 boxes), Tru64 5.1B (on alphas) and SGI 
ProPack Linux (on our SGI Altixes), but I know SGE could run this as 
well.

In LSF, you'd submit that set of jobs (let's say your files are named 
file1.data - file100.data) as something like the following:

bsub -Jset1[1-100] -o 0.1.output.%I foo -i file\$LSB_JOBINDEX.data -p 
0.1
bsub -Jset2[1-100] -o 0.2.output.%I foo -i file\$LSB_JOBINDEX.data -p 
0.2

The standard output and standard error, as well as a job summary (CPU 
time and memory used, etc) would appear in output files named:

0.1.output.1
0.1.output.2
etc
GridEngine would have its own methods for doing these so called job 
arrays.

I looked at GNU queue a long time ago, and it looked (to me) as though 
its mode of operation was largely based on how LSF works, but when I 
looked at GNU queue it was pretty fundamentally broken (and it got 
removed from woody as a result).  GridEngine is rather different in its 
organisation, but a lot of people swear by it.

Tim
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Re: Outrageous Maintainer

2005-05-08 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 May 2005, at 6:39 pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 04:35:25PM +0100, Tim Cutts wrote:
On 1 May 2005, at 8:53 am, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
True. However, it does no harm to add the conflicts, while it does 
make
it easier for your users. When presented with a bug in another 
package
that completely breaks mine (rather than the entire system), usually 
I
do add the conflicts: header.
I think that's a dangerous thing to do.  When the bug in the other
package is fixed, the chances are that you won't know about it, and
then you'll end up with two packages which conflict with each other 
for
no reason.
That's why we have versioned conflicts. Also, when adding a conflicts 
to
another package that is buggy, it would be _extremely_ bad form to not
track that other package for when the bug is fixed -- or, at least, to
file or reassign a bug to that package.
Good point - I'd forgotten about versioned conflicts (never having 
needed to use one!).
It causes no harm, as long as one is careful. And isn't being careful
something you should be doing anyway?
Yup.
Tim
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Re: Outrageous Maintainer

2005-05-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 1 May 2005, at 8:53 am, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 12:38:41AM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 06:45:26PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
But you remove the package from testing doesn't mean we won't 
have
users with it installed since it was present there so, IMHO, the
Conflict is need.
The bug is in the other package, packages are not required to work
around other bugs in other packages, that'd be a gigantic mess of
workarounds.
There'll be lots of workarounds, but that doesn't necessarily equate to
'a mess'.
If dash breaks using my package for whatever reason, I'm not going to
add a conflict: dash (with non-fixed version or whatever), dash needs
to fix it.
True. However, it does no harm to add the conflicts, while it does make
it easier for your users. When presented with a bug in another package
that completely breaks mine (rather than the entire system), usually I
do add the conflicts: header.
I think that's a dangerous thing to do.  When the bug in the other 
package is fixed, the chances are that you won't know about it, and 
then you'll end up with two packages which conflict with each other for 
no reason.  In this case, that's fair enough, because they're two 
variants of the same thing, but I don't think this sort of thing should 
be done in the general case.

Tim
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Accepted am-utils 6.0.9-3.2 (i386 source all)

2005-04-02 Thread Tim Cutts
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Source: am-utils
Binary: libamu2 am-utils libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.0.9-3.2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu2- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 205794 206440
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.0.9-3.2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload
   * Switched to po-debconf. (closes: #205794)
   * Added French debconf template translation. (closes: #206440)
   * Added Czech debconf template translation.
   * Updated Spanish debconf template translation.
   * All above patches from Lucas Wall
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Re: NoX idea

2005-03-02 Thread Tim Cutts
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On 2 Mar 2005, at 2:58 pm, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
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Em Qua, 2005-03-02 às 07:06 +0100, Michael Koch escreveu:
I like the idea. I sometimes miss an easy way to say don't start X,
too, although most times I do want it to run.
is rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm not easy enough for you ?
Easy enough for me in my system. It would be nice to have a standard 
way
of telling the system to not start X on any Debian system while keeping
X start up being the default without the need of messing
with /etc/rc?.d/ and/or /etc/inittab.
It would also make pre-seeded installs easier; we're trying to get this 
working at the moment at work, but there's a nasty interaction between 
recent 2.6 kernels, udev, and gdm, causing the X server to wedge (I 
understand from the person dealing with this that it's because udev 
hasn't been started at the point in the install that gdm tries to 
start).  Given that the machine is still installing at this point, gdm 
trying to start up seems a little unnecessary, and a simple way to 
avoid it would help.  Obviously I've given pretty much the same list of 
suggestions as this thread to the admin doing our Debian desktop 
installs.

Tim
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Re: Who could be able to help SW vendors to support Debian?

2005-02-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 3 Feb 2005, at 5:53 pm, Eric Lavarde wrote:
Hi,
as I understand myself as someone aware of the support problems of 
software problems, I would like to point to 2 problems:

1. the Debian Kernel is a bit different from the kernel.org Kernel; 
example: at work we used the Apani VPN client, which did work under 
all kind of RedHat/SuSE kernel, but not under the Debian kernel, even 
though  there is some compiling done at installation time (i.e. not 
only binary modules delivered).
The RedHat kernel is considerably further diverged from kernel.org than 
Debian's is.  This is one of the major issues I have with vendors only 
supporting Red Hat; Red Hat apply all sorts of patches and God knows 
what to their kernel.

2. as a software provider, you need to be able to reproduce the 
problem of your customer to solve it (at least for non-obvious 
problems), so that you can reproduce the problem in your environment, 
debug, correct and test again. (I would also imagine there could be 
some legal implications if you are officially supporting a certain 
setup, but practically aren't able to support it properly; but we want 
to stay out of the court ;-) ).
What is the consequence? you need a limited amount of possible 
combinations, you need to have a stable system (in the sense: not 
changing every three weeks) and you would greatly appreciate to be 
informed of changes that might break your system before your customer 
actually installs the patch/update/whatever.
Imagine a customer doing regularly an apt-get update  upgrade in 
order to be sure to have the latest security fixes, and all of a 
sudden, your expensive software stops to work, at all of your 
customers, almost at once. You're out of business!
Well, this sort of thing happens with Red Hat AS as well.  We've been 
having immense problems with it lately for Oracle.

 Game over!
Well, I'd hope you'd test the upgrade on a development machine first.  
:-)  I agree that the continuous upgrade cycle of testing and unstable 
is not suitable for a support matrix for an ISV.  It's one reason why 
Debian really needs to get Sarge out of the door - ISVs will only 
support stable releases, and Debian's stable releases are too few and 
far between.

I'm exagerating a bit but that's what they want: no surprise, be able 
to clearly define what is supported and what not (e.g. self compiled 
kernel or not?!), have a chance to test before their own customers do.
I understand what you're getting at, but nevertheless my example stands 
to show that ISV's can and do support purely on the basis of kernel and 
C library.  Platform Computing have been working that way with LSF for 
years, and I haven't noticed them going out of business.

In their case this is because they only link against the really 
fundamental system libraries:

11:41:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ldd 
/usr/local/lsf/5.1/linux2.4-glibc2.3-x86/etc/lim
libpthread.so.0 = /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x4001e000)
libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4006f000)
libnsl.so.1 = /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40092000)
libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x400a7000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x400aa000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

and the lim daemon is the only part of LSF which is really 
architecture-specific, and even then it doesn't do anything really 
scary; it just reads stuff out of /proc.  Hence the fact that their 
support matrix requires certain kernel versions.

Regards,
Tim
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Re: Who could be able to help SW vendors to support Debian?

2005-02-01 Thread Tim Cutts
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:37:27PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
 Would any people around have pointers which could be given to such
 people?? Do we already have an entry point for such technical issues
 as proprietary SW vendors needing technical information about the way
 to support Debian??

The first thing I would do is to try to convince the vendor not to get
so hung up on supporting different distributions.  If their product
depends tightly on kernel stuff, then they should base their support
matrix on kernel version, not on distribution.

Point them at Platform Computing as an example of how to do it with LSF.
They support Linux, and they don't give a stuff what distribution you're
running.  They support certain kernels, and certain C libraries, and
other than that they don't care.  And they're not too precise about
kernel version - on X86 you can run any 2.4 or 2.6 kernel, and any 2.1,
2.2 or 2.3 glibc.  They're a little pickier on other architectures (they
don't support 2.6 on either Alpha or Itanium yet).

Tim


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Bug#290536: ITP: acedb -- Object-oriented genome database system

2005-01-14 Thread Tim Cutts
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist


  Package name: acedb
  Version : 4.9t
  Upstream Author : Ed Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  URL : http://www.acedb.org
  License : GPL, portions are LGPL
  Description : Object-oriented genome database system

ACeDB (originally standing for A C. elegans Database) is an unusual
database system originally designed for the sequencing of the genome of
the nematode worm, C. elegans.  It is still in production use for the
annotation of genome sequence data.  It can be used for other kinds of
data too, especially if those data lend themselves to a tree-based
representation.  For example, ACeDB has been used for storing chip-test
data.

There are X Window System and command line interfaces to the database,
and various supporting applications used for more detailed inspection of
certain types of genomic data.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i586)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.8-1-386
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)


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Re: New stable version after Sarge

2005-01-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 Jan 2005, at 3:45 pm, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 04-Jan-05, 07:40 (CST), Paul van der Vlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
One of the biggest disadvantages of Debian for me is the long time it
takes for a new stable version.
If you want Ubuntu or Progeny, you know where[1] to find them. :-)
Seriously. There's just no way you're going to change the way Debian
makes releases, or rather, doesn't. It's too big, and there are just
too damn many people involved, many of whom simply don't care about
releases. As long as we maintain our current release criteria (which I
don't necessarily think we should change) we will get slower and slower
as we get bigger and bigger.
Which could be seen as a problem by some; but in some ways it's 
probably the way to go.  As far as my own use of Debian goes, almost 
every machine I install runs testing, and has done for years.  There's 
a level of protection in there thanks to the rules that are in place, 
and I rather like the incremental improvement approach as opposed to 
release-based.

With the trend as it is at the moment, the endpoint is that Debian will 
eventually stop releasing altogether (some end users probably think 
this has already happened!) and will essentially become an upstream, 
developer-oriented, steadily evolving distribution from which the likes 
of Ubuntu take regular snapshots for the masses to use.

The downside of this is that it will essentially bar Debian systems 
from being formally supported by independent software vendors, since 
stable releases are what they depend on.

Tim
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Re: Status of Kernel 2.4.28 packages?

2005-01-02 Thread Tim Cutts
On 2 Jan 2005, at 7:16 pm, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 07:37:59PM +0100, Stephan Niemz wrote:
The kernel version 2.4.28 is out for almost seven weeks now.
Does anybody know about the status of the corresponding Debian
packages?  And is there an estimation for when the kernel-patch-*
packages will support the new kernel version?
There's an unfinished 2.4.28 kernel-source package in the debian-kernel
SVN repository.
For me and several other members of the debian kernel team 2.4 packages
have been a much lower priority than 2.6 packages.  Given that and that
sarge will release with 2.4.27 anyway I'm not sure when a 2.4.28 
package
will get into unstable.

Any reason you're not using 2.6 kernels?
There are plenty of reasons not to use 2.6 kernels.  I'd love to use 
2.6 for everything, but in many cases at work I can't.  There are too 
many kernel modules from third party sources (some of which are binary 
-- yes I know, but sometimes we have to just live with the idiots in 
some commercial software and hardware companies) which just don't 
support 2.6 yet.

Having said that, for such machines I tend not to upgrade the kernel 
much anyway, since the same idiotic companies usually have strict 
support matrices for the exact kernel version they support.

2.6 is still too new as far as most ISVs are concerned, and so Debian 
shouldn't lower the priority of work on 2.4 kernels too much just yet, 
in my opinion.

Tim
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Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Tim Cutts
On 11 Dec 2004, at 12:24 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 15:21 -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 01:20:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Dec 09, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Then we might as well remove the whole kernel from main, since most
devices depend on a non-free firmware blob to operate.  Why does it
Most ?
Maybe not most, but many, and the proportion is increasing.  If we 
force these into contrib, then a lot of hardware will not work out of 
the box for people trying to install Debian.  Especially wireless cards 
on laptops.

This is likely to put people off the distribution.  Firmware was given 
that name to distinguish it from regular software.  It's more akin to 
the hardware than it is to regular software, in my view, and should 
probably be given an exception from the normal dependency on non-free 
software rules.  Think of it this way:

It's not the driver software depends on the firmware to function; it's 
the hardware that depends on the firmware to function.  The software 
dependency is a side-effect.

If the firmware were burned into flash ROM on the card, we wouldn't 
have a problem, so why is it different when it's held in volatile 
memory on the card?

Tim
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Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Tim Cutts
On 11 Dec 2004, at 1:39 am, Brian Nelson wrote:
As for whether Debian would actually distribute the firmware blobs in
main, I would prefer that we do.  It can be a real pain installing
Debian on a system in which I have to retrieve the firmware from an
external source.  It's only hurting the end-user by making them jump
through more hoops to install Debian, with no obvious benefit.
Hear hear.
  However,
there seems to be a strong movement to make Debian 100% free down to 
the
last bit.  Reversing this movement is another much more controversial
issue.
If Debian tries to be too rigid, we run a serious risk of consigning 
ourselves to history, because people just won't install Debian any more 
if it doesn't work out-of-the-box on most hardware - and the time is 
pretty much already here that most systems contain at least one 
component that loads firmware from disk every boot.

Tim
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Re: LCC and blobs

2004-12-11 Thread Tim Cutts
On 11 Dec 2004, at 11:16 pm, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le samedi 11 décembre 2004 à 23:12 +, Tim Cutts a écrit :
If Debian tries to be too rigid, we run a serious risk of consigning
ourselves to history, because people just won't install Debian any 
more
if it doesn't work out-of-the-box on most hardware - and the time is
pretty much already here that most systems contain at least one
component that loads firmware from disk every boot.
Most systems ? Come on.
I don't think it's the case today, but I think that it will be soon.  
It's the way the world is going.

Furthermore, compromising our ideals just to run on more hardware is 
not
a good idea. When there are technical solutions to run Debian on this
hardware without such a compromise, this becomes completely stupid.
But they are technical solutions that cause a great deal of effort for 
the user, and like meeting people, meeting a new distribution is very 
much a matter of first impressions counting.  If the new user, 
especially a relatively non-computer-savvy one, finds that their shiny 
new Debian install doesn't work on their network card, they'll just try 
again with a different distro, or go back to Windows.

I don't know what the answer is here, but I think this problem is 
likely to get more acute, and could seriously degrade Debian's ease of 
use --  which is already not something it has a fantastic reputation 
for -- and thereby its popularity.

Tim
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Re: Is Debian a common carrier? Was: package rejection

2004-12-08 Thread Tim Cutts
On 8 Dec 2004, at 8:53 am, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
The discussion about common carriers is all very interesting, but
irrelevant.  There are many protections in American law, and common
carrier status is only one.  We are certainly not responsible for
things which are not obscene, and the package in question is not
obscene (b/c under US law a cartoon such as that cannot be legally
obscene).
I could be wrong, but Debian is occasionally used and distributed by 
people outside the USA.  Making any argument in this thread with 
reference solely to US law is irrelevant to the problems at hand.

To be honest I really don't see what the problem is here.  Content 
which is illegal to distribute in pretty much any significant market 
should be kept off the first CD, and probably shouldn't be in main.  
That way, users and distributors in any country can distribute and/or 
use the basic Debian distribution without any worries.  They can 
distribute or use other parts of the archive, including packages such 
as the Bible or Hot-babe, at their own discretion.  I have no problems 
with people packaging these things, they just shouldn't be part of the 
base install, or present on the media required to perform a base 
install.

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Accepted am-utils 6.0.9-3.1 (i386 source all)

2004-12-04 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:08:49 +
Source: am-utils
Binary: libamu2 am-utils libamu-dev am-utils-doc
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 6.0.9-3.1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 am-utils   - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
 am-utils-doc - automounter utilities documentation
 libamu-dev - Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (development)
 libamu2- Support library for amd the 4.4BSD automounter (runtime)
Closes: 274223 276738
Changes: 
 am-utils (6.0.9-3.1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * NMU
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 decisions about what filesystems to support so that it no longer
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Accepted tkcvs 7.2.2-1 (all source)

2004-11-25 Thread Tim Cutts
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:13:39 +
Source: tkcvs
Binary: tkcvs
Architecture: source all
Version: 7.2.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS
Closes: 282193
Changes: 
 tkcvs (7.2.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.  Closes: #282193
Files: 
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Accepted tkcvs 7.2.1-1 (all source)

2004-07-14 Thread Tim Cutts
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Binary: tkcvs
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Version: 7.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tkcvs  - A graphical front-end to CVS
Closes: 152060
Changes: 
 tkcvs (7.2.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New maintainer
   * New upstream release
   * Added alternative xterm dependency for x-terminal-emulator, in
 accordance with policy
   * Changed deprecated use of dh_installmanpages to dh_installman
   * Removed conffiles file, now that debhelper treats /etc files as
 conffiles anyway
   * /etc/tkcvs/tkcvs_def.tcl sets a default date format.  Not setting
 it in .tkcvs is not a problem.  Closes: #152060.
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Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-17 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote:

 I meant the possibility for a customer to request the ISP exim to reject  
 any mail that comes from, say, savetrees.com. You know, what AOL does,  
 except I want individual customers to be able to configure individual  
 lists.

I don't think that is possible with exim.  There are no facilities for
individual users to modify which messages are rejected at the SMTP
conversation level.  They can of course set up exim filters in their
.forward files to junk anything they don't want, but that of course isn't
rejecting the mail, technically.

Tim.

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Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Jun 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

 Ofcourse there also needs to be a file (LocalIP with sendmail) to define
 IP ranges that may use your SMTP host as a relay - for customers that
 use your host as smarthost (Eudora, pegasus, netscape, sendmail null
 clients etc).

Well, exim certainly has the capability to allow relaying from/to certain
IP ranges.  Our major mail server for example has:

sender_net_accept_relay = 131.111.0.0/255.255.0.0

So that Eudora users within the 131.111 domain can use us as a smarthost.
I tell people that if they want to send mail from outside that domain they
will need to log into the machine using telnet/rlogin/ssh and use an MUA
on the machine itself, or arrange with a more local system to act as a
smarthost while they're not in Cambridge.

Tim.

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Re: Debian's mail daemons

1997-06-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 15 Jun 1997, Rob Browning wrote:

 Alexander Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  (I'd vote for exim if uucp is guaranteed to work)
 
 Ok, so what are the arguments for exim over qmail (at least why do you
 prefer it?)
 
 I've heard arguments for qmail and exim over sendmail.

qmail is supposed to be more secure.  Theoretically, exim's design
allegedly means there might be some security issues, but none have been
found yet.  There has been argument about this ad nauseam on the
exim-users mailing list.

My own feeling is that the primary disadvantage with qmail is that Dan
decided that sendmail was awful (with some justification) and proceeded to
change a lot of things whether they needed it or not.  I am, for example,
irritated that qmail's forwarding file is called .qmail.  What was the
point of that?  Does changing the name from .forward to .qmail really
improve security?

The bottom result of changes like this is that qmail is not a drop-in
replacement for sendmail or smail.  Exim is; it has a sophisticated
.forward syntax of its own, but it does understand pretty well any
.forward for smail or sendmail.  qmail does not understand anything but
the most simple cases.

This means that if you have a lot of users on your machine (probably not
the case for most debian sites, but it's an issue as far as I'm concerned)
you will have to re-educate them as to the new ways of qmail (once you'v
re-educated yourself as well, of course).  To be quite honest, my 1,300
users have taken a long time gwtting used to how the standard UNIX mail
system works, and they don't want to waste time learning a new one.

For a single user system of course this is not a problem.

Tim.

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Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Tim Cutts
On 14 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote:

 Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should 
  be the standard mailer for hamm:
 
 Exim doesn't provide UUCP capabilities *at all*, thus it is rather
 useless for sites that use UUCP (like me).  Right now, I am using
 sendmail.  (What, BTW, is the reason for not using sendmail?)

Well, for one thing exim (and smail) are a hell of a lot easier to
configure than sendmail.  That was what originally moved me towards exim
at work - I really didn't want to muck about fixing numerous broken
sendmail setups when in far less time I could just switch all the machines
over to exim with a more capable configuration that actually worked
properly.  :-)  This of course has nothing to do with Linux per se; these
were all SGI boxes, but it's why I initially got interested in exim.  I
then made the debian package since I wanted the same MTA on all the
systems I administer.  I am pleased to see that exim is gaining some
popularity.  I shall expend some effort over the next few days in
correcting some of the outstanding bugs in the package;  I have been
rather busy of late fighting with Silicon Graphics over broken hardware...

Tim.

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Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-15 Thread Tim Cutts
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Christian Hudon wrote:

 To make this clearer, the only thing that would happen it that exim would
 be marked with priority 'important' and smail with priority 'extra'..
 
 And yes, I think it'd be a good idea, assuming that exim's .forward syntax
 is backward-compatible with sendmail/smail's syntax.

Which indeed it is.

Tim.

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