users shouldn't be responsible for being the first to tell each package maintainer update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults

2013-12-28 Thread jidanni
# ... upgrade
Setting up ... (...) ...
update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling 
back to defaults

Setting up ... (...) ...
update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling 
back to defaults

So the user, being a responsible citizen, reports a bug to each such
package.

And that's the way each maintainer finds out about the issue.


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Re: users shouldn't be responsible for being the first to tell each package maintainer update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults

2013-12-28 Thread jidanni
I also filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=733156
as a wild guess.

Anyway what needs to be done is
for(all debian packages){
  if(a new version of this package was released  that version would
  make the above such message appear upon the user's screen upon
  installation){
 file a bug against that package Dear maintainer, unless you fix
 this, any further releases will startle users with ... message upon
 installation. Yours Truly, Debian Leadership Team.}}

as I don't think all maintainers use lintian / piuparts etc.


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Re: Bug#723015: package four years out of date

2013-09-15 Thread jidanni
 RA == Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
RA David Bremner brem...@debian.org writes:
 jida...@jidanni.org writes:

 P.S., why can't all this CPAN - Debian updating be a little bit
 automated for all the packages on Debian?

 At least some queue that some team gets alerted to...

 there is a queue

 http://pet.debian.net/pkg-perl/pet.cgi

 and libgedcom-perl is listed there. So such bug reports are not
 especially needed.

RA Well... it does provide information that someone actually cares about that
RA module in particular, whereas the queue has everything that's out of date
RA whether anyone cares about the new version or not.  So such bugs could, in
RA theory, help with prioritization.  Provided, of course, that the bug is
RA prompted by a desire for the new version as opposed to just noticing that
RA there was a newer version available.  (Frequently, newer versions have
RA only cosmetic changes and aren't necessarily worth packaging.)

RA -- 
RA Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)   http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

Hmmm, looking at the entire equation, one notices the most energy is
concentrated at each ultimate author's end. He has added some brilliant
new revisions to his masterpiece. Perhaps he should be encouraged to
notify the certain Debian, Redhat etc. maintainers to get a new
version... Hmmm, doesn't seem likely though. Plus would cut down on his
creativity, being bogged down having to bother unrelated people...

Adding debian-devel to Reply-to, removing 723...@bugs.debian.org


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Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-19 Thread jidanni
http://dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2013/06/03/change-is-in-the-air-dreamhost-upgrades/


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Re: Document Debian version#s, not just codenames,

2012-12-27 Thread jidanni
I'm an aging long time user of sid/unstable.
I never could keep track of all those fun names either.
Therefore yes please Debian should accompany them by their version
number if/when insisting on using them.


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Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-28 Thread jidanni
I wouldn't put all my eggs in the same single file.


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Re: even root cannot read my symlinks!

2012-09-08 Thread jidanni
I see.
Who knows what they'll break next.
Perhaps next time add a note to
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-486/NEWS.Debian.gz


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even root cannot read my symlinks!

2012-09-06 Thread jidanni
# su - nobody
No directory, logging in with HOME=/
nobody@jidanni2:/$ date  /tmp/cc
nobody@jidanni2:/$ ln -s /tmp/cc /tmp/dd
nobody@jidanni2:/$ ls -l /tmp/cc /tmp/dd
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 29 Sep  7 08:37 /tmp/cc
lrwxrwxrwx 1 nobody nogroup  7 Sep  7 08:37 /tmp/dd - /tmp/cc
nobody@jidanni2:/$ su -
# cat /tmp/cc /tmp/dd
Fri Sep  7 08:37:38 CST 2012
cat: /tmp/dd: Permission denied
# tail /var/log/syslog
Sep  7 08:36:46 jidanni2 kernel: [19394.443080] type=1400 
audit(1346978206.292:11): op=follow_link action=denied pid=19327 comm=cat  
path=/tmp/bb dev=tmpfs ino=275448
# uname -a
Linux jidanni2 3.2.0-3-486 #1 Mon Jul 23 02:47:49 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux


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test /etc/init.d/MyPackage start before shipping, please

2012-03-23 Thread jidanni
I have an idea,
all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
Hmmm, and all bin/ programs should given a test run too... to at least
see they can print --version without segfaulting etc.
Hmmm, all even more important than piuparts.
I mean it would avoid show stoppers of the first degree.

 AT == Arno Töll deb...@toell.net writes:

AT On 24.03.2012 01:59, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
 May I humbly request that your build scripts in the future take
 the automobile for a test drive (/etc/init.d/apache2 start at
 least) at the factory, before it reaches the dealership.

AT And your point is? Our package worked just fine until someone else
AT decided to break unrelated packages by uploading broken reverse
AT dependencies exactly 8 days after uploading and building our package -
AT or to put it with your words after it left the factory.


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Re: test /etc/init.d/MyPackage start before shipping, please

2012-03-23 Thread jidanni
It doesn't matter who is to blame.
A simple /etc/init.d/... start test could catch such grave bugs before
they hit the user.
Who is to blame could be figured out internally.


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Re: Bits from the piuparts maintainers

2012-01-25 Thread jidanni
I just hate those packages that leave candy bar wrappers all over the
carpet! Go piuparts! Catch them all! And let's hope the highway patrol
will keep those litterbugs off the roads forever! Why just today I had
to manually clean up some more dog droppings from 2002. Yuck.


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every day 54 of the top 1 million sites switch to Debian

2012-01-25 Thread jidanni
Re: Debian Project News - January 23rd, 2012
 Debian is also the fastest growing operating system at the moment:
 every day 54 of the top 1 million sites switch to Debian
At this rate in
$ expr 100 / 54 / 365
50
years, we will take over the world :-)


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/etc/mtab - /proc/mounts symlink affects df(1) output for /

2011-12-24 Thread jidanni
The new symlink on Debian,
  $ ls -og /etc/mtab
  lrwxrwxrwx 1 12 12-23 22:00 /etc/mtab - /proc/mounts
Has caused
  $ df
  Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed 
Available Use% Mounted on
  rootfs   1071468  287940
729100  29% /
  udev  248048   0
248048   0% /dev
  tmpfs  50564 372 
50192   1% /run
  /dev/disk/by-uuid/551e44e1-2cad-42cf-a716-f2e6caf9dc78   1071468  287940
729100  29% /
  tmpfs 101128 712
100416   1% /tmp
  tmpfs 101128   0
101128   0% /run/shm
  /dev/sda64270273 3711316
341987  92% /home
  /dev/sda75341549 4336289
733858  86% /var
  /dev/sda86406856 3024600   
3056800  50% /usr
output to 1) repeat / twice, 2) give the long name for /.
This should be reproducible for anyone who has used standard grub and thus has
  $ grep -h UUID /boot/grub/grub.cfg /proc/cmdline
matches. More details in 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653073 .


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Re: Switching /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts and removing /lib/init/rw

2011-12-23 Thread jidanni
Forty years of pleasant df(1) and mount(1) reading shattered in one day,
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653073


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Re: what if a package needs to be recalled

2011-11-23 Thread jidanni
 YP == Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org writes:

YP I'm not sure telling people to use --no-sandbox without telling them
YP what they lose is a good idea. Sandboxing is here for a reason.

Wish it was documented. Say on the man page.

Of course if they don't use it, they won't be able to browse anything.


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Bug#649812: mention where to find all chromium command line switches

2011-11-23 Thread jidanni
X-debbugs-CC: michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com,  cor...@debian.org, 
debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Package: chromium
Version: 15.0.874.106~r107270-1
Severity: wishlist
File: /usr/share/man/man1/chromium.1.gz

 MG == Michael Gilbert michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com writes:
 Wish it was documented. Say on the man page.

MG You're certainly free to create a patch with that documented ;)  The
MG problem is that chromium commands change rapidly.  It may be better
MG just to link to this page, which gets updated fairly regularly:
MG http://peter.sh/experiments/chromium-command-line-switches/

Maybe the man page should mention that link.



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Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread jidanni
How does one do a simple test to see if one is on the death list?
# grep -c 86 /proc/cpuinfo
0
# lshw | grep -c 86
0


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what if a package needs to be recalled

2011-11-20 Thread jidanni
Just curious, let's say version 15.xxx of a package is released but then
found to be faulty, and upstream isn't releasing a new version soon. Can
the developer somehow recall it? But then peoples' apts won't
automatically catch 14.xxx as the new version if 15.xxx is already
installed. Or he can repackage 14.xxx as 15.xxx.1 but then other
packages depending on  14 etc. will get the version wrong and the
numbering will be misleading. Yes, users can always install whatever
version they want manually, but I am just curious about damage control
from the point of the developer.


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Re: can somebody update wwwoffle

2011-11-04 Thread jidanni
[ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/166498/ ]
 NW == Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
NW CC'ing the maintainer but if there's no interest in, say, a week, I'll
NW file for removal instead, RoQA, RC-buggy, low popcon, cruft.
OK, I guess it must end this way. OK, thanks.


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can somebody update wwwoffle

2011-11-03 Thread jidanni
Can somebody update wwwoffle? Upstream has a new version that makes
HTTPS work once again.


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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

2011-08-23 Thread jidanni
I am now officially pleased with sux, enabling me to use X programs as
root despite http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633652 .
Thanks everybody. Have a song,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLtzQXTHiqklist=PL38C412C876528CCB


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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

2011-08-22 Thread jidanni
 r == rdiezmail-emacs  rdiezmail-em...@yahoo.de writes:
r The console mode has been a shock. There is no mouse at all. I cannot
r navigate the menus as usual, menu-bar-open is weird and unfriendly.
r But, worst of all, some key combinations do not work well.
But that's the way it must be here on Debian, if you are root.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633652
My question is how do all those high powered Debian Developers cope?
Don't tell me they don't use emacs.
Or not as root.
Not even
when
administering their system?


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Re: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock

2011-08-22 Thread jidanni
 KR == Kenyon Ralph ken...@kenyonralph.com writes:
KR I use emacs under X to administer my Debian systems. I don't run it as
KR root though. I use emacs TRAMP to use sudo to edit files as root on
KR the local machine. On remote machines I do the same but in an ssh
KR session in xterm (I don't use mouse or menu bars in emacs in X
KR anyway).
I'm a safe sex fan myself, however there are limits to how much I am
willing to sacrifice that raw feel.

KR Looking at bug 633652, have you tried running X programs as root with
KR sux or gksu instead of su? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sux
KR http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gksu

Mmmm, sounds kinky, but at my age I don't think we can teach this old
dog new tricks. But I suppose that's what the younger generation will
use and just mark this bug wontfix. Alas, no family values.


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Re: apt MD5Sum mismatch is due to multiple DNS queries!

2011-08-04 Thread jidanni
 HL == Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:
HL Thanks Jidanni!
Yeah, they thought I was short in the brains department, well...
* Lord Finesse - Hey Look At Shorty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ntL7f-IIklist=PL503A259FC0B1F2FB


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apt MD5Sum mismatch is due to multiple DNS queries!

2011-08-03 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, junior programmer me has finally found the reason
behind apt's MD5Sum mismatchs: multiple DNS queries!
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636292


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Bug#633652: X-windows programs don't work anymore for root

2011-07-13 Thread jidanni
TJL This is probably your dbus system bus. It's hard to say since pstree
TJL does not show what arguments were used.
# pstree -aA|grep dbus
  |   |-grep dbus
  |-dbus-daemon --system
  |-dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
  |-dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session



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Bug#633652: X-windows programs don't work anymore for root

2011-07-12 Thread jidanni
Package: general

X-windows programs don't work anymore for root.

And whatever is making these messages sure doesn't give a clue as to
what package to reassign the bug to.

# emacs -Q #sometimes things work, (but only for a few minutes.) But mostly 
they don't start at all anymore:
# emacs -Q
g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying 
GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting.
# firefox 
**
GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/buildd-glib2.0_2.28.6-1-i386-A3fp41/glib2.0-2.28.6/./gio/gdbusconnection.c:2279:initable_init:
 assertion failed: (connection-initialization_error == NULL)
Aborted

-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.39-2-486
Locale: LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash



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Bug#633652: X-windows programs don't work anymore for root

2011-07-12 Thread jidanni
 TJL == Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes:
TJL These both sound like dbus misconfiguration to me. Does something as
TJL simple as xclock work?
Yes xclock works.



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Bug#633652: X-windows programs don't work anymore for root

2011-07-12 Thread jidanni
 TJL == Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes:
TJL jida...@jidanni.org writes:
 Yes xclock works.

TJL Ok. You really need to describe what sort of setup you are using before
TJL it is possible to guess what could be wrong. Are you starting dbus
TJL session bus at all?

I think so. I see its name here:
# pstree -A
init-+-acpid
 |-atd
 |-bash---xterm---su---bash---pstree
 |-console-kit-dae---64*[{console-kit-da}]
 |-cron
 |-2*[dbus-daemon]
 |-dbus-launch
 |-dictd
 |-exim4
 |-getmail---sleep
 |-getty
 |-login---bash
 |-nodm---strace---nodm.real-+-Xorg
 |   
`-nodm.real---ck-launch-sessi-+-bash---icewm-session-+-icewm
 | |
  |-icewmbg
 | |
  `-icewmtray
 | `-ssh-agent
 |-ntpd
 |-pdnsd---3*[{pdnsd}]
 |-pppd
 |-rsyslogd---3*[{rsyslogd}]
 |-scim-helper-man
 |-scim-launcher
 |-scim-panel-gtk---{scim-panel-gtk}
 |-smartd
 |-udevd---2*[udevd]
 |-wwwoffled
 |-xterm---bash---emacs-+-aspell
 |  `-2*[{emacs}]
 `-z50apt-get---sleep

This bug started happening this month. And on all my computers.



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Re: Bug#602511: Fwd: Re: upstart support for nodm

2011-07-08 Thread jidanni
All I know is you fellows broke nodm rather royally for me.
I use nodm on desktops and laptops, with Debian flavor:
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free

I did aptitude forbid-version nodm and will stay with
nodm:
  Installed: 0.7-1.1
  Candidate: 0.8-1
for now. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633089
I fear assisting further test will injure my monitors, judging from how
the multitude of different behaviors observed upon start, no matter the
value of NODM_USER, including root and vanilla test accounts.

The old nodm started right away, no ifs ands or buts. On my three
computers, the new one just sputters along, popping in and out of a
blank screen and then back to the console and back to the blank screen.
Or dying completely. Or getting into X but not reading ~/.Xresources ...
etc. Must be some kind of a race condition, that's all I know. Yes, I
purged and reinstalled. Snap, crackle, pop. No more testing for me lest
I need to go to town to buy a new monitor.

P.S., Upon install we are asked start at boot...? Well if we say no,
we will never be able to start it, and the rest of the configuration is
aborted. That message needs to be updated to sysv-rc-conf(8) era
thinking. Giving more details, for the user who still wants
/etc/init.d/nodm start to work, but not to start at boot. (I start via a
question with countdown in /etc/rc.local myself).


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Re: apt-get update MD5Sum mismatch

2011-07-06 Thread jidanni
 SP == Simon Paillard spaill...@debian.org writes:
SP Jidanni, could you please report such issues to debian-mirrors ?
OK, but nobody sees it there,
http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2011/07/msg5.html


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apt-get update MD5Sum mismatch

2011-06-25 Thread jidanni
W: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/PackagesIndex
  MD5Sum mismatch
W: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/PackagesIndex
  MD5Sum mismatch
W: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex
  MD5Sum mismatch
W: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex  
MD5Sum mismatch
Can't be a mirror issue. I'm not using a mirror.
I have an idea. First put each thing and its checksum into a temporary
directory, then when _both_ parts are fully ready, move them into the
staging area for users to download, all with the same mv command too.
That way the window of time for this to happen will effectively be
reduced to zero! What do you say?

Sure you might argue that its only a few times a day and for a few
minutes that this occurs. However since you have more than a handful of
users I think it is high time you correct your algorithm please.


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Re: apt-get update MD5Sum mismatch

2011-06-25 Thread jidanni
P.S.,
E: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.7.7-1_i386.deb:
 404  Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]


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Re: apt-get update MD5Sum mismatch

2011-06-25 Thread jidanni
 AM == Albrecht Mann n...@nexnode.net writes:
 Can't be a mirror issue. I'm not using a mirror.
AM Yes you are.
OK, psst... tell me the root URL, I promise I will only use it for
testing. (Hmmm, that's what I told the .TW mirror before I ditched him,
so better not tell me.)
 E: Failed to fetch
 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.7.7-1_i386.deb:
 404  Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]
AM This is because you haven't successfully updated the Release files first
AM and this package has been removed from the mirror in the meantime.
Well they removed it and then put it back
$ HEAD -P 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.7.7-1_i386.deb
200 OK
$ HEAD -P 
http://35.9.37.225/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.7.7-1_i386.deb
200 OK
So they must be using some quite fancy algorithms.


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first put the packages in place, then afterwards the index files

2011-06-18 Thread jidanni
I recommend first putting the packages in place, then afterwards the
index files. After a successful apt-get update, I got upon upgrade
Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main libuuid1 i386 2.19.1-2
  404  Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]
Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable/main libblkid1 i386 2.19.1-2
  404  Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]


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Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-24 Thread jidanni
 BH == Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes:

BH The clue is in the name.  And expanded in the description, in case you
BH don't know what PAE is.

$ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.39-1-686-pae|grep Celeron
 supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Celeron, Core and

That's me. Celeron.

Odd how whatever script it was told me I had to use -486.

I looked in the preinst and postinst parts of
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.39-1-686-pae_2.6.39-1_i386.deb
to try to find what probed my Celeron and said it couldn't use 686-pae
and had to use -486, but it  is onebigblack
mystery so sorry.


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Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-24 Thread jidanni
 JM == Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
JM How about trying a “grep pae /proc/cpuinfo” instead of looking for
JM approximate CPU descriptions?
And indeed lshw says
  product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.40GHz
  capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep 
mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe up bts

I.e., no pae.

So I would add often in the Description:

 This kernel requires PAE (Physical Address Extension). This feature is 
**often**
 supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Celeron, Core and
 Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion or
 Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; and VIA C7.

or may be or often available or something like that.
Also the -486 Description should mention the name of the -686-pae package.

Say, for the sake of sharing a single .deb offline, what bad thing might
happen if I run the -486 kernel on my other machines where I could run
the -pae kernel? Namely other single Celerons having the pae capability.


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Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-24 Thread jidanni
 AR == Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name writes:
AR Or specifically mention early Centrino CPUs not having PAE support.
Celeron™ too! So just say may or might like the pros do.


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Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-24 Thread jidanni
Ah,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing
you know I am learning more and more from you fellows every day.

I have some specific recommendations: forget about listing individual
brands, just say available in many newer CPUs, check your /proc/cpuinfo .

 Nothing happens. You just won't be able to use pae capabilities. Which
 means you are limited to ~3.5GiB physical memory.
BH Also no SMP.
 Nor NX.
Excellent to know. Do mention that on the Description.
Knowing that I can now switch my sneakernet to a pure -486
implementation, as I won't be missing a thing.
3.5GiBs of physical memory? They're not as cheap as gum sticks,
you know. Speaking of which,
http://www.youtube.com/user/jidanni2#p/c/6E40919035151385/10/hB2b3Ce5op0


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double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-23 Thread jidanni
Recently Debian sid split the kernel into these two packages,

linux-image-2.6.39-1-486_2.6.39-1_i386.deb
linux-image-2.6.39-1-686-pae_2.6.39-1_i386.deb

My Thinkpad ended up being told by the installation scripts to use -486.

But my Thinkpad isn't really very old... how can one double check to see
if the decision was correct? I can't figure it out even after probing
the .debs to find just where they probe the choice.


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Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-23 Thread jidanni
 RC == Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes:
RC Why not just install the other kernel and try booting it?
Maybe it will lead to subtle data loss. You never know. That's why I was
hoping to dig out of the .debs just how they determine which Thinkpads
are hip, and which to skip.


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Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of ...

2011-04-28 Thread jidanni
 BB == Bastian Blank wa...@debian.org writes:

BB Before demanding private information from others, you could fix your MUA
BB to include a name of your own.

Well you could first help by not using a Blank surname!

:-)


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Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of ...

2011-04-26 Thread jidanni
Could the Debian obituaries start including the age, and cause of death
please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obituary#Contents


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Re: Bug#620808: ITP: payyans -- A python utility to convert between ASCII and Unicode.

2011-04-06 Thread jidanni
Also note the uni2ascii package.


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Re: cdn.debian.net as a project service?

2011-03-12 Thread jidanni
 JV == James Vega james...@debian.org writes:

JV As for #616489, that doesn't make any sense.  How can apt know the hash sums
JV don't match if it hasn't downloaded the file in order to compute the hash 
sum
JV for comparison?

I don't know. All I know is it also seems to happen at ftp.us.debian.org too.
W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch

W: Failed to fetch 
bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages
  Hash Sum mismatch


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Re: cdn.debian.net as a project service?

2011-03-12 Thread jidanni
...and when it happens it takes out apt's index files for several hours
# apt-cache policy coreutils
coreutils:
  Installed: 8.5-1
  Candidate: 8.5-1
  Version table:
 *** 8.5-1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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Re: cdn.debian.net as a project service?

2011-03-11 Thread jidanni
Speaking about mirrors. I gave up on using them for apt-get update and
haven't looked back since.
  *  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616064
  *  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616489
Works for me!


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no more mirrors for me

2011-03-11 Thread jidanni
Well that is all pleasant and good, and I hope you fellows get your
mirror issues resolved. However I think you fellows should take a lesson
from Google™ who doesn't bother the consumer about mirrors... it's all
under the hood, from best cache worthy HTTP headers to ISPs who use them
best, or who knows... not my business. Besides, at 512K download speed
I'm only a bit environmental irresponsible if all that caching isn't
taking place... And such caching would be smarter than bothering with
mirrors in the first place I bet too.
And Uh oh, I also violated
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
  * If you send messages to lists to which you are not subscribed, always note 
that fact in the body of your message.
And do wish to thank those who CC'd me else I only check in when I use
my computer B which is where I read Gmane.org from every couple days. By
the way did you know my grand goddaughter tells me Geritol™ now comes in
tablets too maybe :-).


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oops I sent a courtesy copy in violation of the code of conduct

2011-03-11 Thread jidanni
Recently I replied to a certain message on this list with my familiar
  S W runs the command gnus-summary-wide-reply-with-original
keystrokes, only to receive

I'm subscribed to the list, no need to CC me:
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
No need to reply to this message.

And indeed lo and behold, my S W habit is in violation here, 100%.

However the same keystrokes on a different message did not produce the
complaint inducing courtesy copy. Was the first message boobytrapped? No.

The second message I replied to it turns out contained
Mail-Followup-To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, jida...@jidanni.org

Therefore perhaps
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
could be amended to mention that adding a Mail-Followup-To header might
add an additional wall of defense for those who wish to cut down even
further the possibility they might receive a courtesy copy from the less
technically adept.


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Re: Aren't there any checks in place to prevent a package from becoming uninstallable?

2011-02-28 Thread jidanni
 BF == Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:

BF Why is Auntie Nelda using the unstable repository? Is she comfortable
BF running an OS from a repository with no promises about stability? If
BF not, who advised her to do that?

Let's find out,
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=auntie+nelda
http://www.youtube.com/jidanni2#p/c/6E40919035151385/6/Tp8XcAKYsKo
:-)


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Re: Aren't there any checks in place to prevent a package from becoming uninstallable?

2011-02-27 Thread jidanni
Well OK, but can't the package owners get a friendly mail once a day
yoo hoo Holmes, your package is now broken, lest they relax at the
beach totally unaware one day Auntie Nelda might suddenly have the urge
to use their package in a hurry?


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Aren't there any checks in place to prevent a package from becoming uninstallable?

2011-02-26 Thread jidanni
Aren't there any checks in place to prevent a package from becoming 
uninstallable?
E.g., bug #615530, #615528.


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Re: what are Debian emacs (24) users supposed to do now?

2011-01-11 Thread jidanni
Regarding
W: Failed to fetch 
http://emacs.orebokech.com/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not 
Found
 RF == Romain Francoise rom...@orebokech.com writes:
RF Either build from source yourself, or go back to Emacs 23.

Holy moly. My .emacs file has evolved greatly since emacs 23 using your
emacs 24 snapshots -- I can't go back. And I can't build from source
myself because, well, if it is too frustrating for you developer guys,
it would be 1000 times more frustrating for us user guys.
So I guess there I am, stuck holding on to my precious copy of
emacs-snapshot-bin-common_1%3a20101204-1_i386.deb
emacs-snapshot_1%3a20101204-1_i386.deb
emacs-snapshot-common_1%3a20101204-1_all.deb
emacs-snapshot-el_1%3a20101204-1_all.deb
unless some other developer will step forward...


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packages whose Description first line is merely their name again

2010-11-24 Thread jidanni
 New and noteworthy packages
 ---
 The following packages were added to the unstable Debian archive recently:
   * rtkit -- Realtime Policy and Watchdog Daemon [97]
   * scenic -- telepresence software for live performances and installations 
 [98]
   * sea-defender -- Sea Defender [99]
  
Isn't someone checking that new packages should have more description in
the first line of their Description?
There could be a checker added that if the package name equals the first
line of the Description, the package should be given a better
Description first line.


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apt stuck! clear out 0 byte files from the mirrors

2010-09-06 Thread jidanni
Better get those 0 byte files off of the mirrors. Apt is stuck.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595691

That's the only way to get out of this mess without needing to alert
users.

Get rid of the zero byte files on the mirrors, push out a new apt, and
hope nobody notices.

You can bring back the zero byte files weeks later if you insist, but I
wouldn't.


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apt stuck! clear out 0 byte files from the mirrors

2010-09-06 Thread jidanni
OK, it seems only debian-multimedia has the problem. I'll tell
maril...@debian.org to please see 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595691 .
P.S., the way the progress messages appear, one cannot tell which server
we are working with, but instead the last transaction completed etc.


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Re: Bug#589632: ITP: ppp -- Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) - daemon

2010-09-06 Thread jidanni
Your posting looks identical to one for a package that didn't yet exist
in Debian.

Readers think when they see the Subject: I swear I already use a such
named package.

Therefore there should be put into place a system to allow you to use a
different subject.


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Re: Any one getting aptitude frozen on update with Translation-en bzip2 ?

2010-09-06 Thread jidanni
 Yes, my aptitude is frozen right now at the same spot :(
AH I am also experiencing this, seems to just be a problem with the main
AH repo. I use http://ftp.uk.debian.org.

The problem is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595691

FT Too late to hope this problem will not be discovered.
FT There are many 'unofficial' repos out there, that up to now have been 
working fine, but now stall updating Squeeze.
FT And many of us use synaptic or similar, and have no idea why a whole bunch 
of Translation files can not be downloaded.
FT Even running apt-get shows only a Translation file hangs, but not from 
which server.
FT I think we need to advertise the fix, maybe on the debian main page?


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Re: Essentiality of Bash

2010-06-19 Thread jidanni
I don't get it. Even booting still requires bash
$ find grub* -executable|xargs checkbashisms #grub-pc 1.98+20100617-1
script grub-common.preinst is already a bash script; skipping
script grub-pc.postinst is already a bash script; skipping
script grub-pc.postrm is already a bash script; skipping
script grub-pc.prerm is already a bash script; skipping
Despite apparent efforts to clean it out
http://www.google.com/search?q=bashisms+grub+site:bugs.debian.org


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What is the codename of the current stable release?

2010-06-19 Thread jidanni
In  Debian Project News - June 14th, 2010
 AR == Alexander Reichle-Schmehl toli...@debian.org writes:
AR Debian Community Poll
AR The Poll is available at http://tinyurl.com/3y33ska . Torsten asks to
AR spread the link to as many users as possible.

And there at tinyurl, we read

|What is the codename of the current stable release? * This question
|should block spammers from filling out the form. You have to enter the
|correct answer for taking part in the poll. [   ]

The fun thing is I failed the test because I never can keep track of
those name changes, probably because I'm

|How long have you been using Debian?
|
|  * ( ) 0 - 2 years
|  * ( ) 2 - 5 years
|  * ( ) 6 - 10 years
= * ( ) more than 10 years

Anyway, I don't actually wish to know the codename of the current stable
release. All I know is I use sid/unstable, and also experimental, and
there is also stable and testing. The other fly-by-night names are hard
to remember, and (my point is:) it would be neat indeed if wherever they
appear through the project, they we accompanied by (testing) or
(stable). E.g., http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ forces one
to research which name is what.


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Depends: libapt-pkg-libc ... which is a virtual package

2010-03-03 Thread jidanni
It seems for us experimental archive users, most of the year we see e.g.,

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 which is a virtual package.
  python-apt: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.9-6-1.1 which is a virtual package.
  Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 which is a virtual package.
  libapt-pkg-perl: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 which is a virtual package.
  libept0: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.8 which is a virtual package.

then about every two months the problems go away for two weeks.

It would be nicer if every two months, the problem persisted for only
two weeks. Can't somehow things be more coordinated?


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Bug#571092: mention security address on http://www.debian.org/security/

2010-02-23 Thread jidanni
Package: www.debian.org
Tags: security
Severity: wishlist
X-debbugs-cc: debian-...@lists.debian.org,debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 
rho...@deb.at

 GF == Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes:
GF Hi!

GF * jida...@jidanni.org [2010-02-22 18:12:46 CET]:
 Do mention secur...@debian.org on http://www.debian.org/security/ , even
 if one can dig it out of the contacts page.

GF  Please see the Contact information at the end of the page. Though, I
GF have to admit, that page could need Table of Contents at the top.

GF  Thanks,
GF Rhonda

My whole point is that e.g., police emergency services make sure to not
solely depend on a secondary page for vital contact information...
People in a panic are not going to find it.
Please put in on http://www.debian.org/security/ in addition to
http://www.debian.org/contact lest this sound like a story from RISKS
Digest. Thanks.



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Bug#570980: man sbin man pages are in section 1 instead of section 8

2010-02-22 Thread jidanni
Package: general
Severity: wishlist

Many executables in .../sbin have their man pages in section 1 instead
of section 8.

Perhaps a piuparts like script could comb over the apt-file search
results to target them.

Not sure if a policy violation. Or if should be made part of policy.

P.S., I am sure I filed this bug in the right place, as reportbug says
general General problems (e.g., that many manpages are mode 755).

P.S.S., Maybe even check if .../bin programs have their man page wrongly put
into section 8 too.



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Bug#570980: reportbug general bug filing recommendation (was Re: Bug#570980: man sbin man pages are in section 1 instead of section 8

2010-02-22 Thread jidanni
HL Do you intend to file individual bugs? I'd appreciate this.

Actually I've filed many individual bugs, some even just today.

Then I got this great idea that instead of me just mentioning in to
packages that I've stumbled into, there could be a systematic combing of
all Debian.



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Bug#570980: reportbug general bug filing recommendation (was Re: Bug#570980: man sbin man pages are in section 1 instead of section 8

2010-02-22 Thread jidanni
I tried to find all bugs with section 8 in their title via 
http://bugs.debian.org
   An error occurred. Error was: You have to choose something to select by
I'll try this to at least find (most of) mine:
$ w3m -cols  -dump 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=jida...@jidanni.org|grep 
-i section\ 8
  • #476403 [w|  |  ] [powermgmt-base] section 8 of manual
  • #512447 [w|  |  ] [libgraphviz4] man page belongs in section 8
  • #512449 [w|  |  ] [powermgmt-base] man page belongs in section 8
  • #512450 [w|  |  ] [util-linux] man page belongs in section 8
  • #512451 [w|  |  ] [wodim] man page belongs in section 8
  • #512452 [w|  |  ] [xjdic] man page belongs in section 8
  • #570980 [w|  |  ] [general] man sbin man pages are in section 1 instead of 
section 8
  • #570981 [w|  |  ] [aircrack-ng] perhaps move man pages to section 8
  • #566219 [w|  |↝] [unetbootin] move to section 8 and sbin
Yes, perhaps reassign to lintian.



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Bug#570980: teasers

2010-02-22 Thread jidanni
Well just like many of the comments to 348864, I just hate the teasers
in section 1 that only root can run.



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Debian Public Relations Director

2010-01-26 Thread jidanni
I had a certain somebody in mind that I wanted to nominate for the post
of Debian Public Relations Director. But alas, no such mechanism exists amongst
$ w3m -dump http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution |grep -i nominate
So never mind.


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Re: Bug#551789: can somebody put the unihan.txt file back?

2010-01-25 Thread jidanni
# PW == Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
#PW I think this bug should be reassigned back to the unicode package and
#PW changed to severity important
reassign 551789 unicode
severity 551789 important
#PW it needs to be adapted to the latest upstream formats and probably
#PW also handle the old format too.
#Hope someone takes charge.


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can somebody put the unihan.txt file back?

2010-01-24 Thread jidanni
Can somebody put the unihan.txt file back where it belongs via NMU for 551789?


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Re: can somebody put the unihan.txt file back?

2010-01-24 Thread jidanni
 BF == Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
BF explicit as to why you think it's relevant here
I was hoping someone on debian-DEVEL could speed the process with a NMU
or something.


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ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf...

2010-01-23 Thread jidanni
found 513142 1.8.42
tags 513142 - unreproducible
notfixed 513142
thanks

I wish the line below,
Please inform the package maintainer about this problem.
would say which package it is talking about. Or at least it could say
don't tell the maintainers of x y and z'.

Setting up dbconfig-common (1.8.42) ...
*** WARNING: ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf, but
 the script did not pass --debconf-ok to ucf. The maintainer
 script should be fixed to not stop debconf before calling ucf,
 and pass it this parameter. For now, ucf will revert to using
 old-style, non-debconf prompting. Ugh!

 Please inform the package maintainer about this problem.
Need debconf to interact
dpkg: error processing dbconfig-common (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2

I found
Bug #513142 [dbconfig-common] ucf/dbconfig warning when package is installed

All I know is I still get the warning.


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Re: SpamAssassin is run on Alioth, but its results are ignored

2009-12-19 Thread jidanni
OK, but can somebody adjust the spam filtering on
debian-eeepc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
to make it just as spam free as
debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Thanks.


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Taiwan Mini DebCamp 2009/12/26-28

2009-12-18 Thread jidanni
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTaiwan/MiniDebCamp


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Re: SpamAssassin is run on Alioth, but its results are ignored

2009-12-16 Thread jidanni
Re: http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/thread=147634
Thank you all for your attention to this issue and allowing us to
finally find people in charge for
http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.linux.debian.devel.eeepc/thread=2462

Now what is needed is for the spam threshold for
debian-eeepc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org to be lowered from 12 which
is way too high, certainly higher than some quite low spam groups I
recall seeing on lists.debian.org at least, to something more sane.

Indeed, perhaps adjust the SpamAssassin required_score instead of
internal settings outsiders cannot be aware of, and then simply act on
X-Spam-Status: Yes.

I vote for required_score 2, any less and then even yours truly's
messages wouldn't get through :-)

I'm not aware what notification rejected messages get, if indeed they
should at all get...


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Re: SpamAssassin is run on Alioth, but its results are ignored

2009-12-15 Thread jidanni
 SpamAssassin is run on Alioth, but its results are ignored.
 The spam, though detected, is not separated out from the stream.

SG This is isn't actually true

$ GET http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.eeepc/2539/raw |grep 
X-Spam-Status
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=9.2 required=5.0


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SpamAssassin is run on Alioth, but its results are ignored

2009-12-14 Thread jidanni
SpamAssassin is run on Alioth, but its results are ignored.
The spam, though detected, is not separated out from the stream.

We have tried over and over to get in touch with anybody in charge.

Maybe somebody reading debian-devel can tell an Alioth administrator.

http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.linux.debian.devel.eeepc/thread=2462


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Taiwan Mini-DebConf to visit world's tallest building, Google 2009.09.28

2009-09-17 Thread jidanni
We have added a day trip to the Taiwan Mini-DebConf program, to visit
the Google Corporation, in Taipei 101, the world's tallest building.
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTaiwan/MiniDebConf2009#Monday2009-09-28


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Re: responsibility for iptables bug

2009-09-16 Thread jidanni
You people are lucky you have me on board.

Because I am a very simple minded person.

All I know is I use some thing documented there on the iptables man
page, and I get a warning. I noticed that warning because I happened to
look in /var/log/syslog one day.

The warning says something worse will happen in the future unless
something gets fixed.

If we are not supposed to use that thing, that fact should be stated on
the iptables man page.

Otherwise you are selling cars whose axles you know will break in the
future, and not warning the consumer about it.


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Re: responsibility for iptables bug

2009-09-15 Thread jidanni
LB Prey tell, what is wrong with maintainers of for example iptables,
LB providing a conffile with samples (which may even be commented out)
LB which they can reference to in their documentation, where they
LB comment on the different settings?

LB This is what we do with /etc/sysctl.conf today. And I still think a
LB wishlist bug against iptables is appropriate and would have helped
LB Jidanni, had it existed.

It would have not likely helped me, Jidanni, as I just use cookie cutter
recipes, and all I know is I need to update this recipe I got from
somewhere,

iptables -F; iptables -X; iptables -N b
iptables -A b -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A b -m state --state NEW ! -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A b -j LOG -m limit; iptables -A b -j DROP
iptables -A INPUT -j b; iptables -A FORWARD -j b

so it stops causing warning messages. Or, the iptables man page needs to
mention the additional steps one needs to do when using certain
keywords, or else there is a clear bug in the man page: you use what it
offers, and you end up getting error messages.


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Talk: Reflections of a bigtime Debian bug reporter

2009-09-14 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, I shall be delivering my talk,
Reflections of a bigtime Debian bug reporter
http://jidanni.org/comp/bug_reporter.html
at the 2009 Taiwan Mini Debian Conference
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTaiwan/MiniDebConf2009
2009/09/26-27. Please be gentle.


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responsibility for iptables bug

2009-09-14 Thread jidanni
I need some help with
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526521
I want to know the proper package to assign this bug to.

All I know is we are supposed to use iptables recipies to protect our
computers, and when I use
# iptables -A b -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
in /var/log/syslog I see
nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (8046 buckets, 32184 max)
CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use
nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.

I read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian but that's over my head.

In http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535001 proposed
solution are mentioned but there are no references.

Please also see
http://www.mail-archive.com/shorewall-us...@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08097.html


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Re: responsibility for iptables bug

2009-09-14 Thread jidanni
retitle 526521 add /etc/sysctl.d/iptables.conntrack.accounting.conf
severity 526521 wishlist
thanks
 LB == Lars Bahner lars.bah...@gmail.com writes:

LB You don't really need to file a bug. You need to add a file

LB  /etc/sysctl.d/iptables.conntrack.accounting.conf

LB which should contain the line:

LB net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1

LB You could file this a a wishlist bug report against the iptables
LB package, and see if the  maintainer wish to add this file (or a larger
LB /etc/sysctl.d/iptables.conf with some sane defaults).

OK, though this is all over my head.
Hoping maybe soon the warning will go away.


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Re: Double /dev/disk/by-id Vision

2009-08-28 Thread jidanni
 FZ == Felix Zielcke fziel...@z-51.de writes:

FZ I'm also running the udev in experimental 146-1 and have the same, but
FZ it affects only my IDE disk not my SATA ones even though they have an
FZ ata-* link too:

FZ $ ls -1 /dev/disk/by-id/
FZ ata-SAMSUNG_SP1213N_SAMSUNG_SP1213N_S00UJ10X203399
FZ ata-SAMSUNG_SP1213N_SAMSUNG_SP1213N_S00UJ10X203399-part1
FZ ata-SAMSUNG_SP1213N_SAMSUNG_SP1213N_S00UJ10X203399-part2
FZ ata-ST3808110AS_5LR0ECJH
FZ ata-ST3808110AS_5LR0ECJH-part1
FZ ata-ST3808110AS_5LR0ECVK
FZ dm-name-nvidia_cediideh
FZ dm-name-nvidia_cediideh1
FZ dm-uuid-DMRAID-nvidia_cediideh
FZ dm-uuid-DMRAID-nvidia_cediideh1
FZ scsi-1ATA_ST3808110AS_5LR0ECJH
FZ scsi-1ATA_ST3808110AS_5LR0ECJH-part1
FZ scsi-1ATA_ST3808110AS_5LR0ECVK

OK, now we are getting somewhere. Can somebody reassign this bug to the
proper package? Thanks.


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Double /dev/disk/by-id Vision

2009-08-27 Thread jidanni
Started happening last week, this became doubled:

$ ls /dev/disk/by-id/ | head -n 1
ata-FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_NN4GT531H3AR
- -
^ ^
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers experimental

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543452

Or am I seeing things?


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Re: Double /dev/disk/by-id Vision

2009-08-27 Thread jidanni
Odd, only the ata- ones are doubled.
$ ls /dev/disk/by-id/
ata-FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_NN4GT531H3AR
ata-FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_NN4GT531H3AR-part1
ata-FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_NN4GT531H3AR-part10
ata-FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_FUJITSU_MHT2040AT_NN4GT531H3AR-part3
ata-HL-DT-STDVD-ROM_GDR8082N_HL-DT-STDVD-ROM_GDR8082N_
usb-Generic_USB_CF_Reader_058F312D81B-0:1
usb-Generic_USB_CF_Reader_058F312D81B-0:1-part1
usb-Generic_USB_MS_Reader_058F312D81B-0:3
usb-Generic_USB_SD_Reader_058F312D81B-0:0
usb-Generic_USB_SM_Reader_058F312D81B-0:2


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Bug#540311: show something to ponder while filesystem checking

2009-08-07 Thread jidanni
Package: initscripts
Version: 2.87dsf-2
Severity: wishlist
File: /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh
X-debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

I have an idea. Every few days when booting we encounter a file system
check, which takes several minutes. We sit there, helpless,
unable to issue any command. All we can do is watch the progress marker.

Now being high powered Computer Pros (not me though), we ought to have
something smart put there on the screen for us to ponder as the check
proceeds. (No ads or fortune messages though please.)

Then it dawned on me, we sit there wondering it says it is checking
/dev/hda6. What disk of mine is that that is taking so long? /home?
/usr? OK, then tell us.

Sure, we can see on the screen that
it is /dev/hda6 etc. But our hands are tied, we cannot do
$ grep /dev/hda6 /etc/fstab
or any other command at this point, and even if we could,
/etc/fstab might have it listed as /dev/disk/by-id/... etc. and not
/dev/hda6. Therefore I'm proposing that just like you say
Checking root file system, before checking it, you also say what the
other file systems you are checking refer to.

Here is the log of what we see.

# cat /var/log/boot
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: Checking root file system...fsck from util-linux-ng 
2.16
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: /dev/hda1: clean, 16109/81280 files, 239546/325048 
blocks
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: done.
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: Cleaning up ifupdown
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: Loading kernel modules...done.
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: Checking file systems...fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: /dev/hda6 has been mounted 35 times without being 
checked, check forced.
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: \002/dev/hda6: 44085/542720 files (14.7% 
non-contiguous), 3993396/4339408 blocks
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: /dev/hda7: clean, 12120/678912 files, 3955626/5428048 
blocks (check in 5 mounts)
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: /dev/hda8: clean, 114339/814400 files, 587051/1627282 
blocks (check in 3 mounts)
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: /dev/hda9: clean, 218558/950272 files, 
1103243/1899442 blocks
Fri Aug  7 12:53:17 2009: /dev/hda10: clean, 1839/490560 files, 1298458/1959922 
blocks

I notice a problem with these logs too, one needs to look at the kernel
times to realize that I stood there helplessly wondering 192-11=181
seconds. Hey, that's three whole minutes of Ph. D. time (not me
though)... let's be sure they are pondering something better than 'which
filesystem is /dev/hda6?'. And Ph. D.s don't keep hardcopy of previous
mount(8) output.

# cat /var/log/kern.log
Aug  7 12:53:21 jidanni2 kernel: [   12.450865] EXT3 FS on hda1, internal 
journal
Aug  7 12:53:21 jidanni2 kernel: [  192.161015] kjournald starting.  Commit 
interval 333 seconds
Aug  7 12:53:21 jidanni2 kernel: [  192.161323] EXT3 FS on hda6, internal 
journal

OK, now I can find the answer to the mystery:
# mount|grep /dev/hda6
/dev/hda6 on /home type ext3 (rw,commit=333)

Perhaps also mention some df(1) stats for us to think about while we are
sitting there. OK, I mean fdisk stats as it is not mounted yet.



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Re: Removal of fc-cache calls in postinsts

2009-06-17 Thread jidanni
Or at least nice(1) those calls.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533019


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depending on obsolete packages

2009-04-07 Thread jidanni
One finds packages depending on obsolete packages, e.g.,
# aptitude -F %p search ?obsolete | xargs -n 1 echo aptitude why|sh -x
+ aptitude why libicu38
i   gimpDepends libwebkit-1.0-1 (= 1.0.1)
i A libwebkit-1.0-1 Depends libicu38 (= 3.8-5)
+ aptitude why libltdl3
i   php5-mcrypt Depends libltdl3 (= 1.5.2-2)
+ aptitude why libvolume-id0
i   hal Depends libvolume-id0 (= 0.113-1~)
+ aptitude why linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
i   linux-image-686 Depends linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
Bugs have been filed for all of them, but can't there be an automatic
check added to the system to stop or warn somebody?


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Re: Bug#515700: /etc/sane.d/epkowa.conf not removed

2009-02-17 Thread jidanni
B I actually can't remove the file because Avasys ships
B debian packages of the epkowa backend. Removing the config file is a
B no-no here.
B This has unfortunately always been a problem with conffiles.
J All I know is dlocate said there is no other owners... sounds like
J some policy violation is going on...
B Again: the file has not been forgotten, it's a conffile and I cannot
B remove it because some other package may or may not own it and there's
B just no way to know.
Odd, I only see
$ apt-file search epkowa.conf
libsane-extras: /etc/sane.d/epkowa.conf
I'll Cc debian-devel because this is all over my head.
Wait, you said Avasys ships debian packages...
So for safety you don't delete... hmmm, special... perhaps beyond
policy. I'll CC the list anyway as this is all far beyond me.
Perhaps upon purge a special message should be printed...


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Re: Proposal of new control field: Date

2009-02-12 Thread jidanni
OK, instead of a Date: field in Packages, I can get a better idea of how
well maintained a package is with an updates vs. bugs perspective, e.g.,

for package
do for u in http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html?src=$package \
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=$package
do w3m -dump $u
done
done

OK, I withdraw my Proposal.


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Re: Proposal of new control field: Date

2009-02-11 Thread jidanni
Speaking about new control fields, how about Date:?

Imagine, freshness dating available right there on the grocer's
shelf, in Packages.gz. No need for the consumer to jump through
additional hoops to find out.

OK, never mind.


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Re: Proposal of new control field: Date

2009-02-11 Thread jidanni
 Imagine, freshness dating available right there on the grocer's
 shelf, in Packages.gz. No need for the consumer to jump through
 additional hoops to find out.

PW Which date would it contain?

The date the maintainer made the polishing touches on the .deb.
That way one could tell, even when offline, if a package hasn't been
updated in ten years.

Well OK, assuming network connections, one can always just do e.g.,
$ apt-get -yyqq --print-uris install abiword|
   perl -F\' -alnwe 'print $F[1]'|xargs --verbose -n 1 HEAD -P|grep -i 
Last-Modified
HEAD -P 
http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libv/libvoikko/libvoikko1_2.0-1_i386.deb
Last-Modified: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:02:17 GMT
HEAD -P 
http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgsf/libgsf-gnome-1-114_1.14.11-2_i386.deb
Last-Modified: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:47:03 GMT

But the same could be said about some of the other fields, like Size.
Just do another HEAD to get the Size. But OK, Size is more important
than Date, so it gets a field in Packages.gz.


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Re: finally purged debconf items with no owners

2009-02-05 Thread jidanni
j good_owners:owners
j  dpkg -l $$(cat $?)|perl -alnwe 'print $$F[1] if /^.[ic]/'  $@
I should have used COLUMNS= dpkg...
I ended up messing up a lot of packages.
That is life here.


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Re: finally purged debconf items with no owners

2009-02-05 Thread jidanni
 AM == Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes:

AM You can try /usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl
AM IIRC, it checks for templates with no owners.

Ah, Indeed, it seems to mention that in the code.
I wish these things were documented.
$ find /usr/share/man*/m*|grep debconf|xargs zgrep -i fix
$ dlocate bin/debconf|sed s/.*://|xargs grep -i fix
OK, I will cross my fingers and run the unlabeled medicine bottle
/usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl once a year.


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Re: piuparts offline

2009-02-03 Thread jidanni
 LN == Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes:

LN - using a local cache/proxy, such as approx, that would have the .debs
LN   you need if you first run piuparts online once on the packages you are
LN   interested in, before running it offline.

I used to run apt-get through WWWOFFLE, but then thought that is a big
waste.

OK, thanks anyway. I'm wishing piuparts could be enhanced one day
with:

--local: don't go online at all, and instead attempt to get everything
  we need from /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/lib/apt/lists. Can be
  combined with --dry-run to see if everything we need is already in
  place. Also one can cache the result for faster startup a second
  time with ...

OK, bye.


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finally purged debconf items with no owners

2009-02-03 Thread jidanni
I have finally figured out how to remove the items with no owners from
the debconf database.

It took the fancy Makefile below, created by reverse engineering the
extremely complicated debconf system as far as I was able.

The big problem is that it is an extreme mystery how to do just
# debconf-whatever --purge whatever
If anybody knows the answer, please say it.

Anyway, here's the Makefile
purge:/tmp/base_purge bad_owners
set -xe; for i in `cat bad_owners`; do j=/tmp/$$i.postrm; ln $ $$j;\
$$j; done
bad_owners:owners good_owners
comm -3 $?  $@
owners:/var/cache/debconf/config.dat
debconf-show --listowners|sort -u  $@
good_owners:owners
dpkg -l $$(cat $?)|perl -alnwe 'print $$F[1] if /^.[ic]/'  $@
/tmp/base_purge:
echo . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule \\ db_purge  $@  chmod +x $@

By the way, just for the record below are the offending packages that
left their configurations upon purge. I do not know if their current
versions do the same. Nor do I know if piuparts detects such things.

abiword-common alsa-base alsa-modules-2.4.18-k7 alsa-modules-2.4.19-k7
ash cpufreqd docbook-dsssl dpkg-www efax ftpd gnus htdig jpilot kdrill
language-env libdvdread3 libpaper-utils libpaperg libpq3 libsensors3
links-ssl linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 php5-gd php5-mysql
postgresql-client spamassassin ssh tetex-base tetex-bin txt2pdbdoc
x86info xfree86-common xplanet


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Re: piuparts offline

2009-02-02 Thread jidanni
 Just use a local approx mirror.
 Patches are welcome.

I'm saying that if anybody knows how to use piuparts (and/or pbuilder)
offline, then please add an example to the documentation.

Please show all the steps needed, starting at:
# poff

Thank you.


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Re: piuparts offline

2009-02-02 Thread jidanni
 HL == Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes:

HL tags 512458 +wontfix
HL thanks

HL Hi,

HL On Montag, 2. Februar 2009, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
 Just use a local approx mirror.

 I'm saying that if anybody knows how to use piuparts (and/or pbuilder)
 offline, then please add an example to the documentation.

HL You wrote those lines just quoted below the, albeit small, howto. Amazing.

HL As you seem to be unwilling to follow the suggestion to provide a
HL patch for the piuparts documentation how to use piuparts offline
HL together with the approx package, I'm tagging this bug wontfix, as
HL I dont have any interest to fix it.

HL Feel free to provide a patch, I might include it. Else I will
HL close this bug in a month.

HL regards,
HL Holger

I am saying I do not know how to use piuparts offline. Therefore I am
unable to provide a patch. I am saying if there is anyone who could
document how to use piuparts offline, then I wish they would please
kindly document how, with all the steps, starting from poff(1). Thank you.


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piuparts offline

2009-02-01 Thread jidanni
Dear debian-devel: has anybody tried piuparts, pbuilder offline?

You see, often there is some package that I suspect is not
diaper-trained, leaving more than just say footprints in /var/log/
upon purge, or perhaps not cleaning back up the Registry (debconf), etc.

So I think: well there's this piuparts package that can test those
things.

But my attempts with piuparts seem to show that it was made for people
with good network connections.

But then I say to myself: if, totally offline, I can apt-get (or
aptitude) install and purge some package X, then why can't I do
piuparts tests too offline?

Everything I need is there, in /var/lib/apt/lists and
/var/cache/apt/archives. (One hopes they could be mounted
(read-only!!) during any tests.)

Everything except instructions, that even Limited Edition Brain me can
follow, see the Cc'd bugs. Thanks.


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Re: bug closed by spam for the second times

2008-09-08 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, I can't take it anymore. That's why I hand it to
$ cat spam-bug-reopener
#!/bin/sh -eu
#reopen a Debian bug closed by spam, which you feed in via stdin
bug=$(
 perl -nwe 'if (s/^X-Debian-PR-Message: they-closed (\d+)$/$1/){print;exit}')
if test $bug
then
echo reopen $bug|
mail -s Reopening $bug closed by spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
else echo $0: no bug number found. 12; exit 1
fi


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