Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 18:06, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: [challenge response email systems] Would I be wrong in deciding not to make this confirmation? Easy enough: if you receive a confirmation request identifying the message far enough for you to decide that it was spam with your email address as sender address forged in, confirm it. Else, delete it or forward it to the abuse desk of where it came from (much good that that will do...) For some time, I received several dozens of confirmation requests because my email address was used as sender of some spam. I had some satisfaction in knowing that all this spam was properly confirmed and forwarded to their proper recipients... -- vbi -- Today is Pungenday, the 10th day of Discord in the YOLD 3172 pgpYjer9aDwA5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:45, Henning Makholm wrote: Listmasters have been trying to identify the responsible subscriber with no luck Why not just 500 all posts from sites known to use challenge-response? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
Scripsit Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:45, Henning Makholm wrote: Listmasters have been trying to identify the responsible subscriber with no luck Why not just 500 all posts from sites known to use challenge-response? The challenges are send directly from the idiot site to the From address in the list posting. They do not pass through Debian machines. -- Henning Makholm This imposes the restriction on any procedure statement that the kind and type of each actual parameter be compatible with the kind and type of the corresponding formal parameter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Thursday 23 March 2006 02:41, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:45, Henning Makholm wrote: Listmasters have been trying to identify the responsible subscriber with no luck Why not just 500 all posts from sites known to use challenge-response? The challenges are send directly from the idiot site to the From address in the list posting. They do not pass through Debian machines. However, in the future, people from that site would not be able to confirm their subscription in the first place if their site uses challenge-response. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
Em Qui 23 Mar 2006 13:04, Jacob S escreveu: 3) the problem address is not a uol.com.br account - the problem account has their mail forwarded to a uol.com.br account, so the listmasters have not been able to track down the problem account. Just a side note: the last time I wrote to debian-user-portuguese I received several such mails, from different people. I don't know what to do, but uol's CR is a plague for every brasilian list I know. Tiago. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Thursday 23 March 2006 08:04, Jacob S wrote: Except that, as has been discussed many times before... 1) the C-Rs are coming from uol.com.br Not disputed. 2) there are some legitimate users that post from uol.com.br that do not have C-R on their accounts So they should get a real email provider instead of going with the default, if not cut ties with doing business with spammers entirely. So you would be blocking a lot of innocent users and the problem account would still be on the list. Challenge-response constitutes spam. If you do business with an ISP that employs challenge-response, you are doing business with spammers. No loss to the net. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:38:00 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21:08, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:41:52 -0800, Hex Star wrote: ah...russian spam...translated to english: [snip] Why bother? Gotta maximize the propagation of spam as much as possible. It's important, after all! Wonderful. I've now received an auto-generated reply from someone on this list to my previous message asking me to confirm that I really sent it, in an effort to reduce spam. Would I be wrong in deciding not to make this confirmation? Also, I believe that it may be useful to inform certain people as to the list-subscribed address that generated this auto-reply, but I won't pretend to be able to identify just whom it would be appropriate to inform. I do not believe it would be appropriate to identify that address publicly on this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Уникальные семинары!
boredom :P On 3/21/06, Daniel Gimpelevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:41:52 -0800, Hex Star wrote: ah...russian spam...translated to english: [snip]Why bother?--To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
Scripsit Daniel Gimpelevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wonderful. I've now received an auto-generated reply from someone on this list to my previous message asking me to confirm that I really sent it, in an effort to reduce spam. Would I be wrong in deciding not to make this confirmation? Also, I believe that it may be useful to inform certain people as to the list-subscribed address that generated this auto-reply, If your reply comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or another @uol.com.br adress), then the issue is very well known - see last week's thread on debian-project. Listmasters have been trying to identify the responsible subscriber with no luck. It is known that the address is not subscribed directly; somebody unknown is auto-forwarding emails from the list to uol.com.br. but I won't pretend to be able to identify just whom it would be appropriate to inform. If the address you have is _not_ at uol.com.br, inform listmaster at lists.debian.org with as much documentation as you can get, in particular full headers. -- Henning Makholm It will be useful even at this early stage to review briefly the main features of the universe as they are known today. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 09:06:20AM -0800, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: Wonderful. I've now received an auto-generated reply from someone on this list to my previous message asking me to confirm that I really sent it, in an effort to reduce spam. Those autoreplies are being sent to every subscriber on this list. It's not clear who's sending them, really. -- Fun will now commence -- Seven Of Nine, Ashes to Ashes, stardate 53679.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
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Re: Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:41:52 -0800, Hex Star wrote: ah...russian spam...translated to english: [snip] Why bother? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Уникальные семинары!
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 21:08, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:41:52 -0800, Hex Star wrote: ah...russian spam...translated to english: [snip] Why bother? Gotta maximize the propagation of spam as much as possible. It's important, after all! -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
