Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On 01/16/2015 08:36 AM, Riley Baird wrote: On 16/01/15 12:40, Paul Wise wrote: ITP submitters aren't necessarily subscribed to debian-devel, please CC the submitter and their bug. Sorry, will do. I just hit the Reply List button in Thunderbird without checking the addresses. I made the same mistake, but I managed to remove the letter from directories of deferred of my MTA on time (while greylisting). :) Best regards, Dmitry. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:32:41AM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: (Also, in any case, don't you think that this game is going a little too far? It's fine to be opposed to systemd, but don't do to Lennart Well, do you see a difference to the original game with Bill Gates? Stephan -- | Stephan Seitz E-Mail: s...@fsing.rootsland.net | | Public Keys: http://fsing.rootsland.net/~stse/keys.html | smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On 16/01/15 08:15 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:32:41AM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: (Also, in any case, don't you think that this game is going a little too far? It's fine to be opposed to systemd, but don't do to Lennart Well, do you see a difference to the original game with Bill Gates? Do you honestly not see the difference between poking fun at an upstream that is at the center of an ongoing controversy vs. poking fun at a competitor? I personally don't care for the satire in this case and don't think it's constructive for the project. Is it worth the expenditure of project resources, even if ever so small, to allow a joke package (and a bad joke, at that, and hopefully one with limited shelf life), which throws oil on the fire? Where does it stop? A separate xnameofsatiricaltarget package per person whom some subset of users holds accountable for ruining Linux? How does this package make Debian better? I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Hello. Is it really necessary to discuss this on debian-devel@? IMHO, it's local issue, yet… And also please sorry for my English skills. On 01/16/2015 03:48 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote: On 16/01/15 08:15 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:32:41AM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: (Also, in any case, don't you think that this game is going a little too far? It's fine to be opposed to systemd, but don't do to Lennart Well, do you see a difference to the original game with Bill Gates? Do you honestly not see the difference between poking fun at an upstream that is at the center of an ongoing controversy vs. poking fun at a competitor? 1. Everybody (who doesn't like systemd) already resigned, IMHO. There's already no controversy. 2. So you don't mind to add this package in future, right? So, I can't tell for Stephan Seitz (who you asked), but I don't see difference between XLennart and XBill in ethical and practical meanings. I personally don't care for the satire in this case and don't think it's constructive for the project. The project is Debian? Is it worth the expenditure of project resources, even if ever so small, to allow a joke package (and a bad joke, at that, and hopefully one with limited shelf life), which throws oil on the fire? 1. You mean Debian infrastructure resources (like HDD space on Debian mirrors)? 2. As I said above, there no oil on the fire. However I may be wrong, of course. Where does it stop? A separate xnameofsatiricaltarget package per person whom some subset of users holds accountable for ruining Linux? How does this package make Debian better? 2 packages for 20 years is not too much. Why this should be stopped? It's a part of history. This game represents very loud, long and interesting moment in FOSS history. And it represents an essential culture subset of nowadays FOSS community. So Debian will be better for this people. If there's nobody from DD will agree with it, then the package just won't be sponsored. I don't see any problem. How does XBill make Debian better? I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. This could be easily solved by merging xbill with xlennart to xperson with collection of this people (bill and lennart). Best regards, Dmitry. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Dmitry Yu Okunev, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 16:48:09 +0300, a écrit : I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. This could be easily solved by merging xbill with xlennart to xperson with collection of this people (bill and lennart). I've already seen this kind of xbill clone with other people (not FOSS-related). It makes sense and would be fun to be able to easily choose the games sprites among an easily-extensible list. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150116144641.gc3...@type.bordeaux.inria.fr
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Hello. On 01/16/2015 05:46 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: Dmitry Yu Okunev, le Fri 16 Jan 2015 16:48:09 +0300, a écrit : I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. This could be easily solved by merging xbill with xlennart to xperson with collection of this people (bill and lennart). I've already seen this kind of xbill clone with other people (not FOSS-related). It makes sense and would be fun to be able to easily choose the games sprites among an easily-extensible list. Agree. I've sent this suggestion to the author. Best regards, Dmitry. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Dmitry, On 16/01/15 09:48 AM, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: Is it really necessary to discuss this on debian-devel@? IMHO, it's local issue, yet… And also please sorry for my English skills. It's an ITP, so it goes to debian-devel by default to discuss amongst ourselves whether a package is suitable to enter Debian or not. So yes, it's a necessary part of the process. On 01/16/2015 03:48 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote: Do you honestly not see the difference between poking fun at an upstream that is at the center of an ongoing controversy vs. poking fun at a competitor? 1. Everybody (who doesn't like systemd) already resigned, IMHO. There's already no controversy. We'll have to agree to disagree here. I still see lots of systemd hate on irc from certain users, and not just loons. Also, I see it every now and then on the mailing lists and in blogs as well, and it will be a while before that fire goes out. I expect another flare-up again immediately after Jessie is released. 2. So you don't mind to add this package in future, right? So, I can't tell for Stephan Seitz (who you asked), but I don't see difference between XLennart and XBill in ethical and practical meanings. I can envision a time in the future when it's no longer too soon for this kind of joke, yes. I personally don't care for the satire in this case and don't think it's constructive for the project. The project is Debian? Yes. Is it worth the expenditure of project resources, even if ever so small, to allow a joke package (and a bad joke, at that, and hopefully one with limited shelf life), which throws oil on the fire? 1. You mean Debian infrastructure resources (like HDD space on Debian mirrors)? And the human cost: ftpmaster team's time, and security team's time, and QA team's time, and the release team's time ... 2. As I said above, there no oil on the fire. However I may be wrong, of course. I think you are wrong. However, I may be wrong, too. :) Where does it stop? A separate xnameofsatiricaltarget package per person whom some subset of users holds accountable for ruining Linux? How does this package make Debian better? 2 packages for 20 years is not too much. Why this should be stopped? It's a part of history. This game represents very loud, long and interesting moment in FOSS history. And it represents an essential culture subset of nowadays FOSS community. So Debian will be better for this people. If there's nobody from DD will agree with it, then the package just won't be sponsored. I don't see any problem. How does XBill make Debian better? Once it's history and not present, sure. And by stop I don't mean active suppression of xlennart's existence (or writing of new satire), just rampant explosion of multiple redundant packages in Debian, each serving the same basic purpose with trivial differences from the last. I don't think this is a good trend. I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. This could be easily solved by merging xbill with xlennart to xperson with collection of this people (bill and lennart). Sure, after the joke is no longer too soon, I'd have no problem with that (or even keep the original name xbill for continuity with its long history, but that's something upstream can judge best). Regards, Ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b92d0f.1060...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Hi, On 16.01.2015 14:48, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: Hello. Is it really necessary to discuss this on debian-devel@? IMHO, it's local issue, yet… And also please sorry for my English skills. You are welcome to discuss this game on our dedicated Debian Games mailing list, debian-devel-ga...@lists.debian.org, too. All ITP bug reports are automatically CCed to debian-devel, so that you can get some feedback for your package. [...] 2 packages for 20 years is not too much. Why this should be stopped? It's a part of history. This game represents very loud, long and interesting moment in FOSS history. And it represents an essential culture subset of nowadays FOSS community. So Debian will be better for this people. If there's nobody from DD will agree with it, then the package just won't be sponsored. I don't see any problem. How does XBill make Debian better? The question is rather what are the improvements and features of xlennart that would justify the inclusion of another almost identical package? XBill has been included in Debian since 1996 (the game itself is even older and was created in 1994) and it is one of the oldest games that are still maintained by the Debian Games team. I guess we still do that because of historical reasons and more importantly because the package does not require much maintenance. Back in 1996 there were only a few free software games, so naturally people packaged everything they could get hold of. Nowadays everything has fundamentally changed. Now there are a lot of excellent and complex free software games and nobody talks about the competition between Windows and Linux anymore. It's a relict of the past, just as the systemd debate will be a relict of the past in 20 years. If you are generally interested in packaging or maintaining existing games, please check out https://wiki.debian.org/Games/Development#Get_Involved My personal opinion is that both XBill and xlennart are mildly entertaining and it is rather immature to depict living people as a virus. The message is either silly or offensive. I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. This could be easily solved by merging xbill with xlennart to xperson with collection of this people (bill and lennart). I absolutely agree with Ben here. I don't see anything special that would justify a fork. However, perhaps you might want to ask the upstream author of XBill to incorporate your changes and thus create a more customizable game. xbill.org is still online. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On 16/01/15 11:34 AM, Markus Koschany wrote: My personal opinion is that both XBill and xlennart are mildly entertaining and it is rather immature to depict living people as a virus. The message is either silly or offensive. While we're talking about personal opinions, and clarifying for Dmitry, whom I never answered on the question of what good is xbill to debian? it's not entirely beneath me to chuckle at public figures at their expense. (What listener of CBC radio hasn't chuckled at the Canadian Air Farce poking fun at public Canadian figures, for instance? Or if that's not your nationality ... pick your favourite example of the same genre.) Yes, xbill is funny (to me) and I think enjoying a bit of silliness like this can enrich our lives. So my own feelings regarding lampooning Lennart in a game are, as I said, just my personal distaste for it. I find it too soon and unfunny, given what the Debian project has just been through over systemd. I'm not saying satire has no value for Debian, categorically. As for the rest of what you wrote, I can only agree. Cheers, Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On 01/16/2015 06:34 PM, Markus Koschany wrote: [...] On 16.01.2015 14:48, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: I'd also object on the technical grounds that we already have xbill and the changes in xlennart don't truly justify a fork. This could be easily solved by merging xbill with xlennart to xperson with collection of this people (bill and lennart). I absolutely agree with Ben here. I don't see anything special that would justify a fork. However, perhaps you might want to ask the upstream author of XBill to incorporate your changes and thus create a more customizable game. xbill.org is still online. I see. By the way, it's _not my_ changes. I'm just a Debian user that tries to get more experience of Debian packaging. I found the project (xlennart) and just wanted to make a package and find a sponsor. I didn't expected that this will be a sore subject. I'll just switch my attention to other projects. Best regards, Dmitry. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 16:48 +0300, Dmitry Yu Okunev wrote: Hello. Is it really necessary to discuss this on debian-devel@? IMHO, it's local issue, yet… And also please sorry for my English skills. On 01/16/2015 03:48 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote: On 16/01/15 08:15 AM, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 07:32:41AM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: (Also, in any case, don't you think that this game is going a little too far? It's fine to be opposed to systemd, but don't do to Lennart Well, do you see a difference to the original game with Bill Gates? Do you honestly not see the difference between poking fun at an upstream that is at the center of an ongoing controversy vs. poking fun at a competitor? 1. Everybody (who doesn't like systemd) already resigned, IMHO. There's already no controversy. 2. So you don't mind to add this package in future, right? So, I can't tell for Stephan Seitz (who you asked), but I don't see difference between XLennart and XBill in ethical and practical meanings. Practically, it's more important to maintain good relations with Lennart Poettering than with Bill Gates. Of course we now have software from Microsoft in the archive, but Gates has not been running MS for many years. Ethically, I don't know, maybe we should consider removing xbill too. [...] Where does it stop? A separate xnameofsatiricaltarget package per person whom some subset of users holds accountable for ruining Linux? How does this package make Debian better? 2 packages for 20 years is not too much. Why this should be stopped? It's a part of history. This game represents very loud, long and interesting moment in FOSS history. And it represents an essential culture subset of nowadays FOSS community. So Debian will be better for this people. There are plenty of poisonous subsets of the FOSS community. They're not 'essential' and they do not need to be represented in Debian. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anyone else has to help spread your message. If there's nobody from DD will agree with it, then the package just won't be sponsored. I don't see any problem. How does XBill make Debian better? [...] Maybe it doesn't. I played it a few times in the 90s when Windows seemed like more of a threat and I had my own juvenile anti-Microsoft web pages. Perhaps it serves as a reminder of the old Unix workstations of the 90s and the infatuation of the some of the workstation vendors with Windows NT. (Now we know that making Windows portable doesn't mean applications get ported, and the workstations largely got replaced by PCs rather than just changing OS. But then some of those PCs ended up running Linux...) Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Lowery's Law: If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Hi, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: Practically, it's more important to maintain good relations with Lennart Poettering than with Bill Gates. fwiw I don't think Lennart Poettering personally would care very much. He has a thick skin and has more than once poked fun at people for poking fun at him. I agree with other people in this thread that there really is no ethical (or technical) difference between xbill and xlennart. Which is why I was mildly shocked to learn that debain has xbill in it's archives. I never seen it before to today, but I find it wildly inappropriate to attack persons in that manner. The fact that Lennart has publicly criticized the open source community for such ad hominem attacks [1] only exacerbates things -- one would *think* that the open source community take this post as an opportunity to prove him wrong. I know that CoC-incantations are frowned upon, but I hope that this goes at least against the spirit of having a CoC (even if maybe -- haven't checked in detail -- not the wording). Which should be to treat people openly and with respect. I don't think Lennart personally would care, no, but I think *we* should care to paint the Opensource community as better than this. From that point of view, if there was a vote and I'd get a vote I would also vote against having xbill in the archive as being a poor taste ad-hominem attack (I mean, for crying out loud, there is an actualy blood-spatter squashing animation in the game, even if it is a poor one). In my opinion it is certainly not an argument to also let xlennart in. [1] https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13rdjryqyn1xlt3522sxpugoz3gujbhh04 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87zj9i1nw2.fsf@rincewind.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Axel Wagner m...@merovius.de writes: […] I don't think Lennart personally would care, no, but I think *we* should care to paint the Opensource community as better than this. As a member of the said community, I think that, however the presence of either of the packages in Debian paints it, – I could live with that. Regarding the possible enhancement of XBill to allow for using a user-specified set of sprites (whether packaged or not), – it certainly feels like a proper solution to me. I guess the package could then be enhanced to include several such “themes,” including the “classic” one, the newly proposed one, and perhaps a few more, depending on the availability and relevance. From that point of view, if there was a vote and I'd get a vote I would also vote against having xbill in the archive as being a poor taste ad-hominem attack (I mean, for crying out loud, there is an actually blood-spatter squashing animation in the game, even if it is a poor one). In my opinion it is certainly not an argument to also let xlennart in. While not a full-scale ad-hominem attack, I’d say that the two differences I know of between the vrms operation and the official FSF position amount to a misrepresentation at best. Are we going to drop that package, too? […] -- FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ … 3013 B6A0 230E 334A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87k30mtown@violet.siamics.net
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
While not a full-scale ad-hominem attack, I’d say that the two differences I know of between the vrms operation and the official FSF position amount to a misrepresentation at best. Are we going to drop that package, too? If you apt-cache show vrms, you will see the notice explaining that RMS does not actually hold the same views on freedom as Debian, and that the software defaults to the DFSG in cases of difference of opinion. Similarly for the man page of vrms. In any case, it seems that Dmitry has now decided not to package the xlennart. If nobody else is willing to package it, I would recommend that this bug be closed. If someone else is willing to package it, then the bug ownership should be changed to reflect this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b9a247.3040...@bitmessage.ch
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Ivan Shmakov i...@siamics.net writes: While not a full-scale ad-hominem attack, I’d say that the two differences I know of between the vrms operation and the official FSF position amount to a misrepresentation at best. Are we going to drop that package, too? I don't particularly care enough to argue for dropping it, but I always have kind of wished that the author would rename it. Personally, I just don't name software after people who aren't the author of the software. It feels like unnecessary drama to me, or at least risks it. That goes double for representations of other people in software that they didn't write and didn't choose. It's funny for a bit (I played xbill for about 30 minutes back in the 1990s when it first showed up and laughed at the time), and then it stops being funny. It's not that Bill Gates would ever notice; it's that it's one of those things that makes me feel like a slightly worse person than I was before I did it. I already find it too easy to reduce people to caricatures; intentionally practicing doing so doesn't feel like it leads to any place good for how I think about the world. There are lots of funny things in the world that don't subtlely undermine my ability to see nuance and that don't feel like adding unnecessary drama to my life. To be clear, that's strictly a personal opinion about why I choose not to participate. I don't really care to argue about whether Debian should include the package. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871tmu46yn@hope.eyrie.org
Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dmitry Yu Okunev dyoku...@ut.mephi.ru * Package name: xlennart Version : 1.1 Upstream Author : Gethyn Thomas Quail xylem2...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/xaionaro/xlennart * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C Description : An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill Ever get the feeling that nothing is going right? You're a sysadmin, and someone's trying to destroy your computers. The little people running around the screen are trying to infect your computers with SystenD [TM], a virus cleverly designed to resemble a popular init system. Your objective is to click the mouse on them, ending the potential threat. If one of the people reaches a computer, it will attempt to replace your operating system with the virus it carries. It will then attempt to run off the screen with your vital software. The game ends when only 1 (or 0) of your computers are being productive. Additionally, some computers are connected with network cables. When one computer on a network becomes infected, a spark will be sent down the cable, and will infect the computer on the other end when it reaches there. __ why is this package useful/relevant? https://github.com/Xylemon/xlennart already has 43 stars (since November of 2014). People like this game. is it a dependency for another package? No. do you use it? No. if there are other packages providing similar functionality, how does it compare? This's a fork of XBill. Everything the same, just with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows. how do you plan to maintain it? Just maintain it without any team. inside a packaging team (check list at https://wiki.debian.org/Teams)? No. And I'm not a debian-developer. are you looking for co-maintainers? No. But I can work in team. :) do you need a sponsor? Yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150115172625.30162.45571.report...@imperium.ut.mephi.ru
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
* URL : https://github.com/xaionaro/xlennart The URL should be the main branch of xlennart; that is https://github.com/Xylemon/xlennart if there are other packages providing similar functionality, how does it compare? This's a fork of XBill. Everything the same, just with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows. That sounds like a lot of code duplication. Is it possible to have a common library between XBill and XLennart? (Also, in any case, don't you think that this game is going a little too far? It's fine to be opposed to systemd, but don't do to Lennart Poettering what the gamergate people did to Anita Sarkeesian.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b823e9.70...@bitmessage.ch
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Riley Baird wrote: That sounds like a lot of code duplication. Is it possible to have a common library between XBill and XLennart? ITP submitters aren't necessarily subscribed to debian-devel, please CC the submitter and their bug. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAKTje6Go=2ldcogg-quaumntr930t4zhs+u2fad0nhiclkv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Bug#775436: ITP: xlennart -- An XBill fork but with Lennart and SystenD instead of Bill and Wingdows
On 16/01/15 12:40, Paul Wise wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Riley Baird wrote: That sounds like a lot of code duplication. Is it possible to have a common library between XBill and XLennart? ITP submitters aren't necessarily subscribed to debian-devel, please CC the submitter and their bug. Sorry, will do. I just hit the Reply List button in Thunderbird without checking the addresses. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54b8a34e.3010...@bitmessage.ch
