Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
* Felipe Sateler [Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:58:23 +1100]: * plan for libjack0.100.0-0: there are 11 source packages left with dependencies on this old library. No sourceful uploads are needed for this: once you’ve gotten back to me that the plan is good, I will provide you with a list of packages and schedule Bin-NMUs; then you can do some work of checking if they built successfully everywhere, filing bugs, etc. Once all of them have been rebuilt (which will make them depend on libjack0), please check with us that they’ve migrated to testing, and at that point libjack0.100.0-0 can be dropped. Sounds good? Amsynth will require a sourceful upload, since the dependency is not generated by dpkg-shlibdeps because it dlopens libjack. It is the only one I saw. I’ve scheduled Bin-NMUs for this, for all packages except amsynth. You can check for build-failures here: http://bit.ly/zLyiK, and for progress of their migration here: https://buildd.debian.org/transitions/summary.html. As mentioned above, please check with us before dropping the libjack0.100.0-0 package. Cheers, -- - Are you sure we're good? - Always. -- Rory and Lorelai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
Maintainers: unless you’re jackbeat or gst-plugins-bad0.10, you need not
upload for this, though build-depending on libjack-dev in your next
upload would be nice.
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Hello, Felipe. I finally found some time to look at your message. I’ve
moved -release to CC (thanks for the Bcc!), since it’s on-topic there.
Fellow developers and release team (bcc'ed),
The Debian Multimedia Maintainers would like to drop the versioned jack
library and development packages (that is, libjack0.100.0-{0,dev}). They were
introduced a long time ago (along with the appropriately renamed library) due
to perceived instability in the jack library's ABI. For a while now, this is
no longer necessary, and upstream has catalogued Debian packages of jack
broken because of that. The debian packages no longer change the soname of
the
library (starting with lenny), and the versioned packages are just dummy
ones.
We want to drop them now. The first thing to be done is to switch the
build-dependency from libjack0.100.0-dev to libjack-dev. After all packages
have been changed and uploaded, we can upload a jack without those
transitional packages (unless I overlooked something and we need the RT ack
first?).
Just to be clear: there is ABI/SONAME transition here. Packages that still
depend on libjack0.100.0-0 use the symlink provided by that package[1]. A
mere sed -i -e 's/libjack0.100.0/libjack/g' debian/control should be all
that people need to do.
I assume you mean “there is NOT ABI/SONAME transition here”, heh. So,
here are my comments on the matter:
* plan for libjack0.100.0-dev: you can make a j-a-c-k upload to
unstable dropping this development package immediately, provided
that you add a “Provides: libjack0.100.0-dev” line to the
libjack-dev package.
You will have to file two bugs at RC severity against jackbeat and
gst-plugins-bad0.10; these are the only packages that have a
*versioned* build-dependency on libjack0.100.0-dev, as far as I can
see.
I’ve also checked, and there is no pacakge with versioned
dependencies on libjack0.100.0-dev.
* plan for libjack0.100.0-0: there are 11 source packages left with
dependencies on this old library. No sourceful uploads are needed
for this: once you’ve gotten back to me that the plan is good, I
will provide you with a list of packages and schedule Bin-NMUs; then
you can do some work of checking if they built successfully
everywhere, filing bugs, etc. Once all of them have been rebuilt
(which will make them depend on libjack0), please check with us that
they’ve migrated to testing, and at that point libjack0.100.0-0 can
be dropped.
Sounds good?
[1] This actually surprised me. Could someone explain to me why are there
SONAMEs when they are not actually used?
% ldd /usr/bin/creox | grep jack
libjack-0.100.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
(0x7f943206f000)
% ls -l /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-03-18 19:03 /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 -
libjack.so.0
% objdump -p /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 | grep SONAME
SONAME libjack.so.0
The SONAME that is recorded in the binary (do `objdump -p /usr/bin/creox |
grep NEEDED`, rather than ldd) is used to find the file. Once the file
is loaded, AFAIK nor the linker nor the application care what the
actuall SONAME of the loaded library is.
Cheers,
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Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 02:19, Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es wrote:
Maintainers: unless you’re jackbeat or gst-plugins-bad0.10, you need not
upload for this, though build-depending on libjack-dev in your next
upload would be nice.
---
Hello, Felipe. I finally found some time to look at your message. I’ve
moved -release to CC (thanks for the Bcc!), since it’s on-topic there.
Fellow developers and release team (bcc'ed),
The Debian Multimedia Maintainers would like to drop the versioned jack
library and development packages (that is, libjack0.100.0-{0,dev}). They were
introduced a long time ago (along with the appropriately renamed library) due
to perceived instability in the jack library's ABI. For a while now, this is
no longer necessary, and upstream has catalogued Debian packages of jack
broken because of that. The debian packages no longer change the soname of
the
library (starting with lenny), and the versioned packages are just dummy
ones.
We want to drop them now. The first thing to be done is to switch the
build-dependency from libjack0.100.0-dev to libjack-dev. After all packages
have been changed and uploaded, we can upload a jack without those
transitional packages (unless I overlooked something and we need the RT ack
first?).
Just to be clear: there is ABI/SONAME transition here. Packages that still
depend on libjack0.100.0-0 use the symlink provided by that package[1]. A
mere sed -i -e 's/libjack0.100.0/libjack/g' debian/control should be all
that people need to do.
I assume you mean “there is NOT ABI/SONAME transition here”, heh.
Indeed.
So,
here are my comments on the matter:
* plan for libjack0.100.0-dev: you can make a j-a-c-k upload to
unstable dropping this development package immediately, provided
that you add a “Provides: libjack0.100.0-dev” line to the
libjack-dev package.
Sounds like a better plan.
You will have to file two bugs at RC severity against jackbeat and
gst-plugins-bad0.10; these are the only packages that have a
*versioned* build-dependency on libjack0.100.0-dev, as far as I can
see.
I’ve also checked, and there is no pacakge with versioned
dependencies on libjack0.100.0-dev.
OK.
* plan for libjack0.100.0-0: there are 11 source packages left with
dependencies on this old library. No sourceful uploads are needed
for this: once you’ve gotten back to me that the plan is good, I
will provide you with a list of packages and schedule Bin-NMUs; then
you can do some work of checking if they built successfully
everywhere, filing bugs, etc. Once all of them have been rebuilt
(which will make them depend on libjack0), please check with us that
they’ve migrated to testing, and at that point libjack0.100.0-0 can
be dropped.
Sounds good?
Amsynth will require a sourceful upload, since the dependency is not
generated by dpkg-shlibdeps because it dlopens libjack. It is the only
one I saw.
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler
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Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
Fellow developers and release team (bcc'ed),
The Debian Multimedia Maintainers would like to drop the versioned jack
library and development packages (that is, libjack0.100.0-{0,dev}). They were
introduced a long time ago (along with the appropriately renamed library) due
to perceived instability in the jack library's ABI. For a while now, this is
no longer necessary, and upstream has catalogued Debian packages of jack
broken because of that. The debian packages no longer change the soname of the
library (starting with lenny), and the versioned packages are just dummy ones.
We want to drop them now. The first thing to be done is to switch the
build-dependency from libjack0.100.0-dev to libjack-dev. After all packages
have been changed and uploaded, we can upload a jack without those
transitional packages (unless I overlooked something and we need the RT ack
first?).
Just to be clear: there is ABI/SONAME transition here. Packages that still
depend on libjack0.100.0-0 use the symlink provided by that package[1]. A
mere sed -i -e 's/libjack0.100.0/libjack/g' debian/control should be all
that people need to do.
Here is the dd-list of the 39 affected packages:
Guenter Geiger (Debian/GNU) gei...@debian.org
ladcca
lash
libjackasyn
meterbridge
stk
Nacho Barrientos Arias na...@debian.org
akode (U)
CJ van den Berg c...@vdbonline.com
pulseaudio (U)
Fathi Boudra f...@debian.org
arts (U)
Paul Brossier p...@debian.org
jackbeat (U)
Chris Butler chr...@debian.org
spiralsynthmodular
Andrea Capriotti capri...@debian.org
ihu
Adrien Cunin adri2...@ubuntu.com
djplay
Joost Yervante Damad and...@debian.org
timidity
Debian allegro packages maintainers
pkg-allegro-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
allegro4.2
Debian Multimedia Maintainers
pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
mhwaveedit
Debian Multimedia Team debian-multime...@lists.debian.org
ams
Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers debian-qt-...@lists.debian.org
akode
arts
Debian VoIP Team pkg-voip-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
linphone
portaudio19
Debian Wine Party pkg-wine-pa...@lists.alioth.debian.org
wine
Sebastian Dröge sl...@debian.org
gst-plugins-bad0.10 (U)
DSSI Maintainers pkg-dssi-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
dssi
Free Ekanayaka fr...@debian.org
ams (U)
mhwaveedit (U)
Free Ekanayaka f...@agnula.org
creox
horgand
Bartosz Fenski fe...@debian.org
moc (U)
Jochen Friedrich joc...@scram.de
darkice
Mike Furr mf...@debian.org
terminatorx
Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com
gnuradio
Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
freqtweak
jack-tools
Brandon Holtsclaw bran...@imbrandon.com
libvisual-plugins
Mark Hymers m...@debian.org
dssi (U)
Robert Jordens jord...@debian.org
bitscope
jamin
timemachine
Ove Kaaven o...@arcticnet.no
wine (U)
Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de
mhwaveedit (U)
Kilian Krause kil...@debian.org
linphone (U)
portaudio19 (U)
Wesley J. Landaker w...@icecavern.net
cheesetracker
Faidon Liambotis parav...@debian.org
linphone (U)
Arthur Loiret arthur.loi...@gmail.com
wine (U)
Ana Beatriz Guerrero Lopez a...@debian.org
akode (U)
arts (U)
Eduardo Marcel Macan ma...@debian.org
specimen
zynaddsubfx
Mikael Magnusson mi...@users.sourceforge.net
portaudio19 (U)
Maintainers of GStreamer packages
pkg-gstreamer-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
gst-plugins-bad0.10
Samuel Mimram smim...@debian.org
linphone (U)
Sam Hocevar (Debian packages) sam+...@zoy.org
allegro4.2 (U)
Guillaume Pellerin yom...@altern.org
jackbeat
Pulseaudio maintenance team pkg-pulseaudio-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
pulseaudio
Mark Purcell m...@debian.org
linphone (U)
portaudio19 (U)
Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de
moc
Felipe Sateler fsate...@gmail.com
csound
Sjoerd Simons sjo...@debian.org
gst-plugins-bad0.10 (U)
pulseaudio (U)
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es
arts (U)
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk
csound (U)
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo js...@debian.org
portaudio19 (U)
Junichi Uekawa dan...@debian.org
ams (U)
ecasound2.2
soundtracker
Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu
arts (U)
Sune Vuorela deb...@pusling.com
akode (U)
[1] This actually surprised me. Could someone explain to me why are there
SONAMEs when they are not actually used?
% ldd /usr/bin/creox | grep jack
libjack-0.100.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
(0x7f943206f000)
% ls -l /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-03-18 19:03 /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 -
libjack.so.0
% objdump -p /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 | grep SONAME
SONAME libjack.so.0
fel...@pcfelipe:csound%
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler
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Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
Felipe Sateler, le Mon 23 Mar 2009 23:02:00 +1100, a écrit : [1] This actually surprised me. Could someone explain to me why are there SONAMEs when they are not actually used? They are used when linking a program, to know which NEEDED should be put. % ldd /usr/bin/creox | grep jack libjack-0.100.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 (0x7f943206f000) % ls -l /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-03-18 19:03 /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 - libjack.so.0 % objdump -p /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 | grep SONAME SONAME libjack.so.0 fel...@pcfelipe:csound% No problem here. But objdump -p /usr/bin/creox | grep jack shows NEEDED libjack-0.100.0.so.0, that's where the linker looks. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
Samuel Thibault, le Mon 23 Mar 2009 13:17:36 +0100, a écrit : No problem here. But objdump -p /usr/bin/creox | grep jack shows NEEDED libjack-0.100.0.so.0, that's where the linker looks. Oops, here, by linker I mean ld.so, not ld. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
[No need to CC me, thanks] El 23/03/09 23:17 Samuel Thibault escribió: Felipe Sateler, le Mon 23 Mar 2009 23:02:00 +1100, a écrit : [1] This actually surprised me. Could someone explain to me why are there SONAMEs when they are not actually used? They are used when linking a program, to know which NEEDED should be put. % ldd /usr/bin/creox | grep jack libjack-0.100.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 (0x7f943206f000) % ls -l /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-03-18 19:03 /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 - libjack.so.0 % objdump -p /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0 | grep SONAME SONAME libjack.so.0 fel...@pcfelipe:csound% No problem here. But objdump -p /usr/bin/creox | grep jack shows NEEDED libjack-0.100.0.so.0, that's where the linker looks. But why use the field when linking, and not use it when loading the shared object? I fail to see the rationale here. Why not just use the filename always? Saludos, Felipe Sateler signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Jack Audio Connection Kit transition
Le lundi 23 mars 2009 à 23:30 +1100, Felipe Sateler a écrit : No problem here. But objdump -p /usr/bin/creox | grep jack shows NEEDED libjack-0.100.0.so.0, that's where the linker looks. But why use the field when linking, and not use it when loading the shared object? I fail to see the rationale here. Why not just use the filename always? At link time, the filename is libfoo.so, which is a link to libfoo.so.2.3.4. Here the SONAME is libfoo.so.2, and the linker cannot know that only by looking at the filename. -- .''`. Debian 5.0 Lenny has been released! : :' : `. `' Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told `-me that if you don't install Lenny, he'd melt your brain. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
