Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:58:54 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:31:39AM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: Dan Jacobson (2003-06-28 07:57:55 +0800) : Gentlemen, after I installed Debian GNU/Linux, I found I had to take extra steps to get the GNU version of a program installed, as some other leading brand alternative was in its stead. So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? I humbly suggest apt-get install task-gnu-only. Of course, someone will have to make and maintain that task package, but once done, there you are. Or you could start a Debian-GNU-Only subproject. One question: what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing, like for example mailutils was not so long ago)? bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing... well task-gnu-only will include the Hurd, won't it? ;) Aside from the joke, we are talking about a package available also for Debian GNU/_Linux_, aren't we? The name task-gnu-only seems misleading. From what we said previously, it should be something like task-gnu-when-it-exists. Regards, -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 03:43:55PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:58:54 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: One question: what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing, like for example mailutils was not so long ago)? bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing... well task-gnu-only will include the Hurd, won't it? ;) Aside from the joke, we are talking about a package available also for Debian GNU/_Linux_, aren't we? Fine, but then it can't be task-gnu-_only_.. maybe task-gnu-usualy? :) The name task-gnu-only seems misleading. From what we said previously, it should be something like task-gnu-when-it-exists. IMHO when-it-exists is missleading also. Bleeding-edge or stuff we don't provide still exists. -- Robert Millan
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 04:16:30PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 03:43:55PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Aside from the joke, we are talking about a package available also for Debian GNU/_Linux_, aren't we? Fine, but then it can't be task-gnu-_only_.. maybe task-gnu-usualy? :) The name task-gnu-only seems misleading. From what we said previously, it should be something like task-gnu-when-it-exists. IMHO when-it-exists is missleading also. Bleeding-edge or stuff we don't provide still exists. Fine so call it task-gnu-preferred. -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:58:54 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:31:39AM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: Dan Jacobson (2003-06-28 07:57:55 +0800) : Gentlemen, after I installed Debian GNU/Linux, I found I had to take extra steps to get the GNU version of a program installed, as some other leading brand alternative was in its stead. So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? I humbly suggest apt-get install task-gnu-only. Of course, someone will have to make and maintain that task package, but once done, there you are. Or you could start a Debian-GNU-Only subproject. One question: what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing, like for example mailutils was not so long ago)? bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing... well task-gnu-only will include the Hurd, won't it? ;) -- Robert Millan
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 16:05:39 +0100, James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the current state of affairs, I am pretty sure that such a package will be rejected by ftpmaster. They pretty sure reject almost everything I upload. Since you didn't bother with specifics, I can only guess you're referring to clamav-data and eicar-testfile. I am referring to eicar-testfile. clamav-data is a bad screwup on my part resulting from the fact that I never originally intended clamav-data to be in Debian. That was suggested by somebody else, and I thought too much (Good Idea. Let's do it) before not thinking enought (that package is not for public distribution). That will be fixed as soon as clamav-getfiles is in the archive. Please note that I wouldn't complain if you would do your actual work as fast as you react to obvious trolls. Greetings Marc, who _really_ doesn't appreciate packages placed into lame directories and them called silly. -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:36:10 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 07:57:55AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? Just create and maintain a meta-package that Conflicts/Depends on the stuff you want. Given the current state of affairs, I am pretty sure that such a package will be rejected by ftpmaster. They pretty sure reject almost everything I upload. Greetings Marc, currently seriously pissed -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:36:10 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 07:57:55AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions
of everything?
Just create and maintain a meta-package that Conflicts/Depends on the
stuff you want.
Given the current state of affairs, I am pretty sure that such a
package will be rejected by ftpmaster. They pretty sure reject almost
everything I upload.
Since you didn't bother with specifics, I can only guess you're
referring to clamav-data and eicar-testfile. I encourage anyone to
check out
auric:/org/ftp.debian.org/queue/reject/{clamav-data,eicar-testfile}*
and judge this troll for themselves...
--
James
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Hi, On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing, like for example mailutils was not so long ago)? OK, let's just say I like the GNU guys and would like them to know if there are any bugs in their stuff, otherwise how will it improve? And mawk: development halted years ago. Wouldn't any awk bugs I find be better reported for gawk? So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that Conflicts: with genuine GNU alternative packages. From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows have pre-chosen for us new debian users. So far I have discovered mawk, and mailx. So, out with it, what are the rest? There seems to be a classic misunderstanding here. Debian GNU/Linux is not a distribution of the GNU system. People seem to think it is, and that's not too strange, actually. If you try to search for a more or less canonical GNU distribution, you're quite likely to find Debian. Debian is an operating system in its own right, which happens contains a lot of GNU tools, the Linux kernel, and lots of other Free Software, all assembled primarily to suit the users (including the Debian developers packaging it), and much less the original developers of the software. More specifically, Debian does not intend to build an implementation of an abstract system that's more or less defined elsewhere, such as GNU. Debian intends to build the universal operating system, in whatever way that pleases its developers, as long as they keep in harmony with the Social Contract (Debian will remain 100 % Free Software, Our priotities are Our Users and Free Software), the Constitution, and Policy. Debian does not exist to serve the GNU project, although it may help GNU. It exists because it pleases its developers, and serves its users and Free Software. It happens to be that in a lot of cases, the GNU tools are the best tools to build Debian, and this fact is recognised in the name of the distribution. But it doesn't go much further than that. I do agree that a virtual package that depends and conflicts in such a way that selecting it will leave a system that looks as much as possible like the GNU system, containing as few as possible non-GNU tools, would be a nice idea. It's probably the easiest way to allow Debian to be the working system that's closest to GNU. Why should the universal operating system not fit that niche as well? It just needs someone to do it. Since you brought it up and seem to feel passionately about the issue, you're probably the best candidate to create such a package. HTH, Emile. -- E-Advies - Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153 http://www.e-advies.nl pgpj0yHadjySe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 10:01:43PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Then they have no business using awk. Idealism goes farther than you'd think... -Josh -- A man may be so much of everything that he is nothing of anything. -- Samuel Johnson pgpCdEHyyWB3a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing, like for example mailutils was not so long ago)? OK, let's just say I like the GNU guys and would like them to know if there are any bugs in their stuff, otherwise how will it improve? And mawk: development halted years ago. Wouldn't any awk bugs I find be better reported for gawk? So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that Conflicts: with genuine GNU alternative packages. From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows have pre-chosen for us new debian users. So far I have discovered mawk, and mailx. So, out with it, what are the rest?
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A fair numbe rof those apps you probably want were implemented in Debian before GNU made their own versions - install-info(8) is one of the ones most often griped about. Careful... mentioning this issue invariably seems to generate all kind of bile from the dpkg maintainers. -miles -- [|nurgle|] ddt- demonic? so quake will have an evil kinda setting? one that will make every christian in the world foamm at the mouth? [iddt] nurg, that's the goal
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It proves that the user interface of gawk is more friendly, nothing more. Yeah; the thing about mawk is that it's a great little program, fairly robust and wicked fast -- much faster than gawk for things I do -- but the last time I checked, it hadn't really been maintained for years and years. -Miles -- `The suburb is an obsolete and contradictory form of human settlement'
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then they have no business using awk. ??? Awk is very friendly (friendlier than perl anyway). -Miles --
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows have pre-chosen for us new debian users. So far I have discovered mawk, and mailx. So, out with it, what are the rest? Umm, I don't really think there was a lot of design in this. When it came to set up the initial base system years ago, someone picked one over the other. Maybe it was an accident, maybe it was the first version that came to mind. Maybe the GNU version wasn't even packaged yet. If you think there is a compelling reason to change and can show that gawk and mawk are 100% compatable, maybe it can be worked on. But it seems most people don't really care. -- Martijn van Oosterhout kleptog@svana.org http://svana.org/kleptog/ the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do. - Samuel P. Huntington pgpJc7SIdeWjE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that Conflicts: with genuine GNU alternative packages. From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows have pre-chosen for us new debian users. So far I have discovered mawk, and mailx. So, out with it, what are the rest? Why don't you look for them yourself? Some people have more important things to do with their time, even if it is hard to imagine what would be more important than this... Lukas
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: OK, let's just say I like the GNU guys and would like them to know if there are any bugs in their stuff, otherwise how will it improve? If you are genuinely interested, you will seek these packages out. Debian cannot diversify to every single person's taste. They are all in the archive. And mawk: development halted years ago. Wouldn't any awk bugs I find be better reported for gawk? mawk is faster. Through the maintainer, we are able to continue some form of development, by providing patches, etc. Would you like to complain about cron, too, which is at Debian release -74 because Paul Vixie is no longer interested in keeping it up to scratch? It's patched to the gills by a very competent package maintainer. I see no reason to use a slower gawk when mawk will do. Are you just idealistically motivated to hound Debian developers because we're not all Richard Stallmans? Rather than bitching on and on, if you really think you have a case to present about providing a 'gnu' task or something, you should start being useful to the Debian community. So far you've done absolutely nothing, and the respect I didn't have for you is already plummeting below zero. So, how does one find the rest of the packages on one's system that Conflicts: with genuine GNU alternative packages. From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows have pre-chosen for us new debian users. So far I have discovered mawk, and mailx. So, out with it, what are the rest? grep-available -e -FPriority \(standard\|required\) -s Package for a general idea, and poke around in /usr/share/doc to see what is *gasp* not GPLed.. Knock yourself out. Your tone insinuates that Debian is a well kept secret, and all you do is sit on your ass and complain about what you are not willing to easily find out about. Remember, if you are so explodingly keen to use an entirely GNU system, I recommend the Hurd especially for you. Regards, Josh -- A man may be so much of everything that he is nothing of anything. -- Samuel Johnson pgpP6uJzvV3l4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:55:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: And mawk: development halted years ago. Wouldn't any awk bugs I find be better reported for gawk? What's an awk bug? Why is it better to file it against gawk? If mawk is the implementation that has the bug, you should file it against mawk; or against general if there are a substantial number of important bugs in mawk that are fixed in gawk, justifying a swapping of package priorities. If you're just bitching because you want more GNU software, you should really find something more productive to do with your time. From the tone of your message, I bet there are lots that you fellows have pre-chosen for us new debian users. Duh. What do you think a distro *is*? Nitwit. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpr99pe9m2Bo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
If you think there is a compelling reason to change and can show that gawk and mawk are 100% compatable, maybe it can be worked on. But it seems most people don't really care. Having bugs not fixed in 4 years (3 years even with a patch provided) in the default awk provided by Debian seems questionable. http://bugs.debian.org/mawk Note that several (most?) bugs/wishes reports for mawk (#158481, #63843, #23001, #65617, #81487, #172774, #127293, #135614, #155659 - not counting merged reports) gawk is explicitely indicated as a working alternative. Indeed, when mawk has been selected as the default awk for Debian, there was surely good reasons (gawk not mature, gawk not existing, whatever, it's not the point). Today, the situation seems different (people well aware should make a statement on the list) and maybe it's time to choose another awk as default for the next coming debian release. Regards, -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having bugs not fixed in 4 years (3 years even with a patch provided) Don't be such a disingenuous troll. The patch for that _wishlist_ bug has been there since April. Not for 3 years. -- James
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
This one time, at band camp, Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last year I discovered mawk sitting there until I banished it away with apt-get install gawk. Mawk is smaller and faster, so it makes sense that it's the default awk for a base system. Even in the GNU installer packages for the Hurd, the default awk is mawk rather than gawk. Morgon -- Man is the only creature capable of hating itself -- Governor of Japan in The End of Evangelion
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Gentlemen, after I installed Debian GNU/Linux, I found I had to take extra steps to get the GNU version of a program installed, as some other leading brand alternative was in its stead. So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? Last year I discovered mawk sitting there until I banished it away with apt-get install gawk. Yesterday I realized I had been using mailx all this time while GNU's mailutils were sitting unused. Do I look in Packages.gz for Conflicts:, and then look in Description: for this is the GNU version of...? What other other leading brands programs are sitting on my computer when I could have been using a genuine GNU program? What genuine GNU programs should I defer, lest e.g. messages get trunc Maybe a meta-package with appropriate depends could do the job? I must admit that your mail just brought me to notice the presence of mailutils, while I was using mailx too. -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 07:57:55AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? Just create and maintain a meta-package that Conflicts/Depends on the stuff you want. See the harden package, which has similar funcionality, AFAICT. bye, Michael
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sat, Jun 28, 2003, Dan Jacobson wrote: Do I look in Packages.gz for Conflicts:, and then look in Description: for this is the GNU version of...? No need for such a fastidious search. Use this instead: apt-get install `apt-cache search gnu | sed 's/ .*//'` Hum, the point is not to fetch every gnu packages but to fetch gnu versions for installed pacakges. Note that with apt-cache search gnu, I get for example: kile, kmrml, mhc, zsh-beta-doc, zsh-doc, zsh30-doc... -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Dan Jacobson (2003-06-28 07:57:55 +0800) : Gentlemen, after I installed Debian GNU/Linux, I found I had to take extra steps to get the GNU version of a program installed, as some other leading brand alternative was in its stead. So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? I humbly suggest apt-get install task-gnu-only. Of course, someone will have to make and maintain that task package, but once done, there you are. Or you could start a Debian-GNU-Only subproject. Roland. -- Roland Mas Au royaume des aveugles, les borgnes sont mal vus.
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:57:55 +0800 Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, after I installed Debian GNU/Linux, I found I had to take extra steps to get the GNU version of a program installed, as some other leading brand alternative was in its stead. So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? Last year I discovered mawk sitting there until I banished it away with apt-get install gawk. Yesterday I realized I had been using mailx all this time while GNU's mailutils were sitting unused. Do I look in Packages.gz for Conflicts:, and then look in Description: for this is the GNU version of...? What other other leading brands programs are sitting on my computer when I could have been using a genuine GNU program? What genuine GNU programs should I defer, lest e.g. messages get trunc A fair numbe rof those apps you probably want were implemented in Debian before GNU made their own versions - install-info(8) is one of the ones most often griped about. I believe which(1) is another case. Regardless, having a gnu task is perfectly reasonable as far as I'm concerned - just wanted to point out that it isn't necessarily maliciousness or even a judgement call so much as things just *weren't there* :) pgpLEMheDgw4I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Morgon Kanter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
This one time, at band camp, Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last year I discovered mawk sitting there until I banished it away with
apt-get install gawk.
Mawk is smaller and faster, so it makes sense that it's the default
awk for a base system. Even in the GNU installer packages for the Hurd,
the default awk is mawk rather than gawk.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mawk --help
bash: mawk: command not found
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mawk --help
mawk: not an option: --help
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mawk -help
mawk: not an option: -help
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mawk -h
mawk: not an option: -h
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mawk -?
mawk: not an option: -?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mawk
Great, for a default application...
(ok, man mawk...)
I wonder what makes the following more convenient for a default
application to me...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gawk --help
Usage: gawk [style des options POSIX ou GNU] -f fichierprog [--] fichier ...
Usage: gawk [style des options POSIX ou GNU] [--] 'program' fichier ...
Options POSIX: options de long format GNU:
-f fichierprog --file=fichierprog
#t-F fs --field-separator=fs
#t-v var=valeur --assign=var=valeur
-m[fr] valeur
-W compat --compat
-W copyleft --copyleft
-W copyright--copyright
-W dump-variables[=fichier] --dump-variables[=fichier]
-W gen-po --gen-po
-W help --help
-W lint[=fatal] --lint[=fatal]
-W lint-old --lint-old
-W non-decimal-data --non-decimal-data
-W profile[=fichier]--profile[=fichier]
-W posix--posix
-W re-interval --re-interval
-W source=program-text --source=program-text
-W traditional --traditional
-W usage--usage
-W version --version
Pour rapporter une anomalie, voir la rubrique « Bugs » dans « gawk.info »
dans la section « Reporting Problems and Bugs » de la version imprimée.
gawk est un analyseur de patron et un traitement de langage.
Par défaut, il lit de l'entrée standard et écrit sur la sortie standard.
Exemples:
gawk '{ sum += $1 }; END { print sum }' fichier
gawk -F: '{ print $1 }' /etc/passwd
--
Mathieu Roy
Homepage:
http://yeupou.coleumes.org
Not a native english speaker:
http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 09:31:39AM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: Dan Jacobson (2003-06-28 07:57:55 +0800) : Gentlemen, after I installed Debian GNU/Linux, I found I had to take extra steps to get the GNU version of a program installed, as some other leading brand alternative was in its stead. So what is the single command to apt-get install all the GNU versions of everything? I humbly suggest apt-get install task-gnu-only. Of course, someone will have to make and maintain that task package, but once done, there you are. Or you could start a Debian-GNU-Only subproject. One question: what's the point? Surely you want the best, not necessarily the GNU version (which might be an incredibly bleeding-edge pre-alpha thing, like for example mailutils was not so long ago)? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:42:28PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Great, for a default application... (ok, man mawk...) I wonder what makes the following more convenient for a default application to me... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gawk --help [...] And this proves exactly what? Someone who knows shit all about awk sure as hell ain't gonna learn it from that help output. Nor are they supposed to! -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:42:28PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Great, for a default application... (ok, man mawk...) I wonder what makes the following more convenient for a default application to me... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gawk --help [...] And this proves exactly what? Someone who knows shit all about awk sure as hell ain't gonna learn it from that help output. Nor are they supposed to! It proves that the user interface of gawk is more friendly, nothing more. And users that do not know the difference between mawk and gawk are not necessarily looking for performance, but may prefer a software with a user friendly interface. While users that do know the difference between mawk and gawk will surely pick mawk, if they want mawk, from the start. -- Mathieu Roy Homepage: http://yeupou.coleumes.org Not a native english speaker: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Monday 30 June 2003 15:36, Josip Rodin wrote: And this proves exactly what? Someone who knows shit all about awk sure as hell ain't gonna learn it from that help output. Nor are they supposed to! More along the lines of behaving nicely on the command line, i.e. to support --help and --version. Josef -- Play for fun, win for freedom.
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
Le lun 30/06/2003 à 18:58, Mathieu Roy a écrit : It proves that the user interface of gawk is more friendly, nothing more. And users that do not know the difference between mawk and gawk are not necessarily looking for performance, but may prefer a software with a user friendly interface. While users that do know the difference between mawk and gawk will surely pick mawk, if they want mawk, from the start. The default awk is here to be run in the numerous system scripts, so it needs to be light and fast. If a user wants to run awk by his own, he will surely be able to install gawk himself. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?=
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:58:11PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: And users that do not know the difference between mawk and gawk are not necessarily looking for performance, but may prefer a software with a user friendly interface. Then they have no business using awk. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -- | London, UK pgpJ5frMJNsjb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:58:11PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: It proves that the user interface of gawk is more friendly, nothing more. And users that do not know the difference between mawk and gawk are not necessarily looking for performance, but may prefer a software with a user friendly interface. Eh? awk is a programming language. It seems unlikely that users who don't know the difference will care much at all; if they don't read the man page or some other more in-depth documentation then they won't be able to use the program particularly effectively anyway. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003, Dan Jacobson wrote: Do I look in Packages.gz for Conflicts:, and then look in Description: for this is the GNU version of...? No need for such a fastidious search. Use this instead: apt-get install `apt-cache search gnu | sed 's/ .*//'` Cheers, -- Sam.
