Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
[Nathanael Nerode] syslog-ng also lacks information. If you find such packages, please report bugs to bts about it. Most of the base system and selected packages I use often have such bugs reported against them, but there are lots of packages left to fix. The udev dependency information is not really accurate: a lot of things depend upon udev running first, and don't say so. This is partly because the long-term plan is to run udev in the chroot, but I think for now probably the dependency should be specified. Actually, it is more accurate now. mountdevsubfs.sh now depend on udev if it exist, and thus udev is executed where it should be, between mountkernfs and mountdevsubfs. So now insserv will generate this boot sequence for the base system+udev based on existing LSB headers and override files: /etc/rcS.d/ README S05checkroot.sh S09mountall-bootclean.sh S01glibc.sh S06ifupdown-clean S09urandom S01hostname.sh S06module-init-tools S10networking S01mountkernfs.shS06mtab.shS11mountnfs.sh S02procps.sh S06udev-mtab S12mountnfs-bootclean.sh S02udev S07checkfs.sh S13bootmisc.sh S03mountdevsubfs.sh S07libdevmapper1.02 S13hwclock.sh S04bootlogd S08mountall.shS13stop-bootlogd-single S04hwclockfirst.sh S09ifupdown /etc/rc2.d/ README S13openbsd-inetd S14sysklogd S15klogd S17rmnologin S09makedev S13rc.local S15cron S16stop-bootlogd Recently I have started checking the shutdown sequence too, and it is mostly correct, though there are some issues left to fix before it is properly handled: /etc/rc6.d/ K06cron K08openbsd-inetd K25hwclock.shK35networking K60umountroot K06klogd K20makedevK30urandom K36ifupdownK90reboot K07sysklogd K20sendsigs K31umountnfs.sh K40umountfsREADME Friendly, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: The scripts listed in the upper right corner are all those scripts without dependency information available. This is the complete list for my installation: hwclockfirst.sh ifupdown-clean modutils hwclock.sh libdevmapper1.01 libdevmapper1.02 lvm hibernate ifupdown nviboot xserver-xorg vbesave sysklogd klogd acct acpid apmd apt-index-watcher atftpd cupsys dbus-1 nullmailer openbsd-inetd rsync snmpd ssh uml-utilities snmptrapfmt anacron binfmt-support acpi-support libnss-ldap syslog-ng also lacks information. (We should be getting rid of sysklogd and klogd in favor of syslog-ng or metalog; I don't know why we haven't yet.) The udev dependency information is not really accurate: a lot of things depend upon udev running first, and don't say so. This is partly because the long-term plan is to run udev in the chroot, but I think for now probably the dependency should be specified. -- Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bush admitted to violating FISA and said he was proud of it. So why isn't he in prison yet?... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
[Francesco Pedrini] I've tried, but it doesn't work: You need to use insserv version 1.08.0-3 or later. Sorry for forgetting to mention that. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order -g -o lsb-graph.dot There is no need to run it as root, I believe. It only need to read the init.d scripts, and those are readable by all. Unknown option: o Unable to properly handle multiple provides: mountdevsubfs mountvirtfs LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S25libdevmapper1.02 Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 69. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 93. LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S70screen-cleanup LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S75schroot LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S80installation-report LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S19spamassassin LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S20apt-index-watcher Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 69. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 93. Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 69. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 93. LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S20ddclient The warnings are mostly fixed in the later version of the script. The missing LSB headers are real problems with the packages including the scripts. This is the output when I run the svn version on my sid chroot: % ./debian/check-initd-order -o -g /dev/null LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S18hwclockfirst.sh LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S18ifupdown-clean LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S20modutils LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S22hwclock.sh LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S25libdevmapper1.01 LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S25libdevmapper1.02 LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S31hibernate error: File ../init.d/pppd-dns is missing the provides header LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S39ifupdown LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S70nviboot LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S71xserver-xorg LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01acct LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01atftpd LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01binfmt-support LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01openbsd-inetd LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01snmpd LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01uml-utilities LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S01vbesave LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S02hwclock.sh LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S02nviboot LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S02snmptrapfmt LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S02xserver-xorg LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S03lvm LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S04acpi-support LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S04libnss-ldap LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S05modutils LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S06libdevmapper1.01 LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S08sysklogd LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09acpid LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09anacron LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09apmd LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09cupsys LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09dbus-1 Unable to properly handle multiple provides: exim4 mail-transport-agent LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09klogd LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09nullmailer LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09rsync LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S09ssh LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S10apt-index-watcher Unable to properly handle multiple provides: x-display-manager kdm % Still some work left before the dependencies are documented and correct. :) Unable to read /etc/rc2.d/S20inetd at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 180. You seem to have a dangling pointer, /etc/rc2.d/S20inetd. The script can't handle those. I'll modify it to make sure that isn't a fatal problem in the next release of insserv. i get the same error even without -o option... i've tested it on PPC, the insserv version is 1.08.0-1 Thanks for testing. Friendly, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 05:09:49PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 07, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 03:11:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. None, because udev isn't actually a hard dependency for any of those scripts, so listing it as such is wrong. If it's in the picture then it's relevante. My point being that you don't want to list them as hard dependencies unless you really need udev and can't work with static devices for some other reason. Moreover, some dependencies may depend and may have to be rearranged depending on configuration. I don't think it's possible to express that with LSB-style initscripts, unfortunately. -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
[Wouter Verhelst] My point being that you don't want to list them as hard dependencies unless you really need udev and can't work with static devices for some other reason. I suspect very few packages should depend on udev. Most packages depend on local and remote file systems being mounted, and it is up to the boot system to get to that stage. The next upload of mountdevsub.sh will have a should-start dependency on udev, to make sure the proper order is generated. Moreover, some dependencies may depend and may have to be rearranged depending on configuration. I don't think it's possible to express that with LSB-style initscripts, unfortunately. Actually, I've implemented the concept of override files in inssert, a program reading these headers, and the local admin can add a file in /etc/ to modify the configuration. Friendly, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The debian boot dependency graph image
For some time now, the runtime dependencies of init.d scripts have been documented in the scripts, using the LSB convention. Now, enough scripts have this information present to make a useful graph of the dependencies in the debian boot. The current state of affairs in my sid chroot look like this: URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png The scripts listed in the upper right corner are all those scripts without dependency information available. This is the complete list for my installation: hwclockfirst.sh ifupdown-clean modutils hwclock.sh libdevmapper1.01 libdevmapper1.02 lvm hibernate ifupdown nviboot xserver-xorg vbesave sysklogd klogd acct acpid apmd apt-index-watcher atftpd cupsys dbus-1 nullmailer openbsd-inetd rsync snmpd ssh uml-utilities snmptrapfmt anacron binfmt-support acpi-support libnss-ldap A status summary for the packages used in a desktop installation is available from URL:http://initscripts-ng.alioth.debian.org/soc2006-bootsystem/lsblist.html. The dotty file used to generate this graph is available from URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.dot To generate your own graph, install the 'insserv' package, and run these commands to get your own /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order -g -o lsb-graph.dot dot -Tpng -o lsb-graph.png lsb-graph.dot If you want to make a graph using the dependency information provided in the insserv package for the scripts without such info, remove the -o flag. Friendly, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
On Sep 07, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time now, the runtime dependencies of init.d scripts have been documented in the scripts, using the LSB convention. Now, enough scripts have this information present to make a useful graph of the dependencies in the debian boot. The current state of affairs in my sid chroot look like this: URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
Le jeu 7 septembre 2006 15:11, Marco d'Itri a écrit : On Sep 07, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time now, the runtime dependencies of init.d scripts have been documented in the scripts, using the LSB convention. Now, enough scripts have this information present to make a useful graph of the dependencies in the debian boot. The current state of affairs in my sid chroot look like this: URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. your point beeing ? -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpI8Xm2X0357.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 03:11:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. None, because udev isn't actually a hard dependency for any of those scripts, so listing it as such is wrong. -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
On Sep 07, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. your point beeing ? That if you want a really dependency-based boot process more work will be needed. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
On Sep 07, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 03:11:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. None, because udev isn't actually a hard dependency for any of those scripts, so listing it as such is wrong. If it's in the picture then it's relevante. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-07 15:11]: On Sep 07, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time now, the runtime dependencies of init.d scripts have been documented in the scripts, using the LSB convention. Now, enough scripts have this information present to make a useful graph of the dependencies in the debian boot. The current state of affairs in my sid chroot look like this: URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. I can't think of a single one that would not work with good old static dev tough udev might be the recommended way. yours Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal Operating System fabbione I AM ON TV! fabbione CIAO MAMMA! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
Le jeudi 07 septembre 2006 à 15:18 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit : URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. I can't think of a single one that would not work with good old static dev tough udev might be the recommended way. But nevertheless, they won't work if udev is installed, until the device appears. The current boot scheme is unsuitable for such cases. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
This one time, at band camp, Josselin Mouette said: Le jeudi 07 septembre 2006 à 15:18 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit : I can't think of a single one that would not work with good old static dev tough udev might be the recommended way. But nevertheless, they won't work if udev is installed, until the device appears. The current boot scheme is unsuitable for such cases. This is what the Should-Start filed is for, AIUI. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org | - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-07 17:11]: On Sep 07, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 03:11:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed as depending on udev actually do. None, because udev isn't actually a hard dependency for any of those scripts, so listing it as such is wrong. If it's in the picture then it's relevante. Then the picture/scripts should be fixed. yours Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal Operating System NForcer NP: Imperanon - Shadowsouls alphascorpii NE: Schokomüsli! :)
Re: The debian boot dependency graph image
On Thursday 07 September 2006 12:03, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: For some time now, the runtime dependencies of init.d scripts have been documented in the scripts, using the LSB convention. Now, enough scripts have this information present to make a useful graph of the dependencies in the debian boot. The current state of affairs in my sid chroot look like this: URL: http://user.skolelinux.no/~pere/debian/lsb-info-20060907.png [SNIP] If you want to make a graph using the dependency information provided in the insserv package for the scripts without such info, remove the -o flag. I've tried, but it doesn't work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order -g -o lsb-graph.dot Unknown option: o Unable to properly handle multiple provides: mountdevsubfs mountvirtfs LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S25libdevmapper1.02 Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 69. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 93. LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S70screen-cleanup LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S75schroot LSB header missing in /etc/rcS.d/S80installation-report LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S19spamassassin LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S20apt-index-watcher Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 69. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 93. Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 69. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 84. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 93. LSB header missing in /etc/rc2.d/S20ddclient Unable to read /etc/rc2.d/S20inetd at /usr/share/insserv/check-initd-order line 180. i get the same error even without -o option... i've tested it on PPC, the insserv version is 1.08.0-1 HTH Francesco -- :wq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
