Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 11:21:02AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk writes: Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le ven, sep 14, 2001, 04:13:31 +0900, Junichi Uekawa a crit: ... (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Your message didn't specify any character set, so the non-ASCII characters seem to have been dropped. ? It displayed for me, and I do see: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Uh ? I do see : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 ?? -- Eric VAN BUGGENHAUT Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post \_|_/ Andago \/ \/ Av. Santa Engracia, 54 a n d a g o |--E-28010 Madrid - tfno:+34(91)2041100 /\___/\ http://www.andago.com / | \ Innovando en Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit in Cyrille's headers, which look fine. ...same here... I wonder if Gnus is doing some auto-detect action? I wouldn't think it would add a Content-Type header though :P -- Josh Huber | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Marcelo E. Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] immo vero scripsit On a very different topic, I cannot even type in franc,ais in my system, and it seems to be a character not available in the default locale which is C. How are people meant to handle this? regards, junichi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Le ven, sep 14, 2001, à 04:13:31 +0900, Junichi Uekawa a écrit: On a very different topic, I cannot even type in franc,ais in my system, and it seems to be a character not available in the default locale which is C. C does not specify a charset outside ASCII, does it ? On my system, with LC_ALL=C, I surely can type and display whatever glyph is in 8859-1. What does your system, with LC_ALL=C, do with characters above 127 ? (and how does it display characters under 128 ? sighRomaji/sigh ?) How are people meant to handle this? Drop outdated, region-specific encodings and switch all to a united one. In gdm's case, the specific problem of displaying français on an Asian box (or, for what it's worth, displaying the word Nihongo in one of its original scripts on an European box) has a solution not very far ahead. (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) -- Cyrille -- Grumpf.
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le ven, sep 14, 2001, 04:13:31 +0900, Junichi Uekawa a crit: ... (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Your message didn't specify any character set, so the non-ASCII characters seem to have been dropped. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C But without faith it is impossible to please him; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.Hebrews 11:6
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Le ven, sep 14, 2001, à 08:54:40 +0100, Oliver Elphick a écrit: Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le ven, sep 14, 2001, 04:13:31 +0900, Junichi Uekawa a crit: ... (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Your message didn't specify any character set, so the non-ASCII characters seem to have been dropped. damn, you're right. -- Cyrille -- Grumpf.
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a very different topic, I cannot even type in franc,ais in my system, and it seems to be a character not available in the default locale which is C. How are people meant to handle this? I have LC_CTYPE=en_US (or LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO-8859-1) on my .bashrc. Being able to type the character is a different problem. I use compose to get ç out of , and c. -- Marcelo | Oook? [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:54:40AM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le ven, sep 14, 2001, 04:13:31 +0900, Junichi Uekawa a crit: ... (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Your message didn't specify any character set, so the non-ASCII characters seem to have been dropped. They haven't been dropped, your MUA is ignoring them. Because of this very common problem, I have aliased a few locales in my mutt config: charset-hook US-ASCII ISO-8859-1 charset-hook x-unknown ISO-8859-1 charset-hook windows-1250 CP1250 charset-hook windows-1251 CP1251 charset-hook windows-1252 CP1252 Thanks, Carlos. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ http://laviola.org Debian-BR Project (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| uin#: 981913 (icq) debian-br.sf.net Linux: the choice of a GNU generation - Registered Linux User #103594
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:39:10AM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Here it does. The message I got was properly labeled as ISO-8859-1, too. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org I don't care if Bill personally has my name and reads my email and laughs at me. In fact, I'd be rather honored. - Joseph_Greg
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk writes: Cyrille Chepelov wrote: Le ven, sep 14, 2001, 04:13:31 +0900, Junichi Uekawa a crit: ... (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Your message didn't specify any character set, so the non-ASCII characters seem to have been dropped. ? It displayed for me, and I do see: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit in Cyrille's headers, which look fine.
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Le ven, sep 14, 2001, à 09:39:55 -0500, David Starner a écrit: On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:39:10AM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: (by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post display completely on your screen ?) Here it does. The message I got was properly labeled as ISO-8859-1, too. it looks like it's because your default locale is 8859-1. I've re-read my message, and nothing there was giving hints to MUA's not using 8859-1 by default. Oh, well, let's kill this subthread -- a misconfigured MUA here, nothing more. -- Cyrille -- Grumpf.
Re: franc,ais locale (was Re: A language by any other name)
Le ven, sep 14, 2001, à 12:39:31 -0500, David Starner a écrit: On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:02:45PM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: it looks like it's because your default locale is 8859-1. Nope. My default locale is UTF-8. As someone else said, your headers look fine. I stand corrected. Indeed, before I tweaked them to output 8859-15, they did output 8859-1 correctly. I'll probably follow Radovan's document in the next days or weeks, anyway. -- Cyrille -- Grumpf.
