Re: Resignation announcement

2008-06-22 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Jacobo Tarrio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  It now appears that lots of people would work on Galician l10n only if it
 weren't for me. Perhaps it's time to move on and let them prove themselves.
 And I can probably use the extra free time.
 
  So after the release of Lenny I will cease working on all Galician l10n
 activities for Debian.

Jacobo, I don't think this is exactly the right way to handle
this. And, unless things have been told and written elsewhere,
evrythign that was written here expressed the respect of involved
parties for your work. So I have not seen that ppl would work for
Galician only if it weren't for you.

(this probably comes from disputes I'm not aware of)

You can obviously read from the thread in -i18n all the respect that's
due to your work, and please trust me to enforce such respect.

What's implicitely suggested is: now that a ML has been setup and
possible new contributors are coming, efforts to involve them should
happen. 

And efforts from the interested people to involve themselves and work
with the existing Debian Galician l10n community (aka you) should
also happen.

By experience, this is not that much and this is worth
it. Really. That could be basically using the d-l-galician more widely
to at least coordinate who works on what.

You will need to do that anyway so that other Galician translators
need to know that you maintain this or that part of your past work.

Other people will need to do that anyway for the exact same reasons.

I understand this might change your work methods and might even
complicate them. That's probably a minimal price to pay to keep the
community active and alive.




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Re: Resignation announcement

2008-06-22 Thread suso
By my side I'll start presenting my excuses in the case I wrote
something offensive or dissapointed, which was not my intention. 

Christian Perrier escrebeu:
 Quoting Jacobo Tarrio ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
   It now appears that lots of people would work on Galician l10n only if it
  weren't for me. Perhaps it's time to move on and let them prove themselves.
  And I can probably use the extra free time.
  
   So after the release of Lenny I will cease working on all Galician l10n
  activities for Debian.
 
 Jacobo, I don't think this is exactly the right way to handle
 this. And, unless things have been told and written elsewhere,
 evrythign that was written here expressed the respect of involved
 parties for your work. So I have not seen that ppl would work for
 Galician only if it weren't for you.
 
 (this probably comes from disputes I'm not aware of)
 
 You can obviously read from the thread in -i18n all the respect that's
 due to your work, and please trust me to enforce such respect.
 

I can supose Jacobo, that you probably needed to deal in the past with
disputes or situations you don't like to deal again. I don't know which
was the situation in that past, but I clearly know the situation in the
present. And I can state that there are no positions against you, at
least not known by me or made explicit recently. Contrarywise, a lot of
people (like me) admire your work and express our gratitude each time we
can. 

Today there is a very motivated galician localization community who
recognizes the value of your effort and who'll love to work with you
(not without you or in absence of you, this is important). Perhaps I'm
wrong with this, but that's what I perceive.

 What's implicitely suggested is: now that a ML has been setup and
 possible new contributors are coming, efforts to involve them should
 happen. 
 
 And efforts from the interested people to involve themselves and work
 with the existing Debian Galician l10n community (aka you) should
 also happen.
 
 By experience, this is not that much and this is worth
 it. Really. That could be basically using the d-l-galician more widely
 to at least coordinate who works on what.
 
 You will need to do that anyway so that other Galician translators
 need to know that you maintain this or that part of your past work.
 
 Other people will need to do that anyway for the exact same reasons.
 
 I understand this might change your work methods and might even
 complicate them. That's probably a minimal price to pay to keep the
 community active and alive.
 

I agree with all this, that's also my experience. As that sudo message
states, 'big power means big responsability'. Jacobo, you are the main
(only) galician l10n Debian contributor, so the power (and the
responsability) basically remains at your hands.

If you are decided to resign -which is not a good new- then its your
decision and it might be respected. But, as a Galician Debian user, 
then I'll might ask you to easy some kind of generational replacement
involving the debian-l10n-galician ML in order to not orphan Debian 
Galician translation.

Anyway, I'll prefer asking you first to reconsideer your resignation
proposition; basically because it seems to be based on a mistaken
perception: nobody is attacking you! I think the pressure you are
feeling is just the hard weigth of power. The remedy is easy: simply
find the way to share it. MLs are very apropriate tools for joining 
efforts allowing each one to find a convenient role for itself. That's
the only way I know to let a community grow up. Obviously that includes
you.

Yours, 


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Resignation announcement

2008-06-21 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
 It now appears that lots of people would work on Galician l10n only if it
weren't for me. Perhaps it's time to move on and let them prove themselves.
And I can probably use the extra free time.

 So after the release of Lenny I will cease working on all Galician l10n
activities for Debian.

 Until then I will continue keeping debian-installer up to date and
translating the debconf templates of packages that get NMUed for i18n
reasons. However, I will not actively seek out new packages to translate.

-- 
   Jacobo TarrĂ­o | http://jacobo.tarrio.org/


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