Re: RANT about fonts with KDE Updates
On Saturday 2006 September 09 20:02, Alejandro Exojo wrote: Well, it seems that this will be selectable soon: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=115651723700985w=2 Which said: Since X by default computes real DPI and we just use it, while GNOME forces it to 96DPI, we get a lot of KDE has ugly fonts, despite us doing things properly. Go figure. I have to say, I've been a correct-DPI stickler since I began using X and have never had ugly fonts for which my DPI setting was the problem. I wonder if the ugly fonts are not due to some other mis-configuration like anti-aliasing not working rather than DPI. It's such a shame that KDE isn't being lauded for being sensible and GNOME/MS ridiculed. In particular on Windows; most people with fancy, high resolution displays can't read the text on them because they can't change DPI without rendering every dialog box useless. What on earth is the meaning of the term dots per inch when it is fixed at 96? I suggest renaming it to RDR (Random Dot Ratio). Andy -- Dr Andy Parkins, M Eng (hons), MIEE [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpr257uXmvSF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RANT about fonts with KDE Updates
On Saturday 2006, September 09 06:08, Paul Johnson wrote: I've never had this problem and I run sid. I don't use the same fonts as the theme I use though, seems like some of the theme defaults could have a slightly more visible choices. I may be correctable to 20/20, but that doesn't mean I can read flyspeck 3 at a comfortable distance from the monitor. In that case your X server DPI is probably wrong. Try removing the forced DPI override in /etc/kde3/kdmrc, and X will have a go at reading your monitor size from the monitor. If it can't you can always set it manually with the DisplaySize option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf's Monitor section. It's a bit of hassle to set up, but I really recommend putting the effort in. KDE is the only desktop that seems to respect DPI size, GNOME has taken the crazy MS route of saying all displays are 96dpi. The advantage is that you can use the same KDE settings on different computers, and always have the fonts come out at a comfortable size for you. $ xdpyinfo screen #0: dimensions:1680x1050 pixels (331x212 millimeters) resolution:129x126 dots per inch I have KDE fonts set to 8 point. If the DPI is wrong for my monitor (sometimes it's forced to 75 dpi in kdmrc) this is completely unreadable. For example, a target 8pts would be about 4pts or 1.4 mm high on screen instead of the 2.8mm it should be. Who on earth would think that's readable? Why is KDE the only sane desktop in the land? :-) Andy -- Dr Andrew Parkins, M Eng (Hons), AMIEE [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpdM1o46C5yB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RANT about fonts with KDE Updates
Am Samstag 09 September 2006 11:02 schrieb Andy Parkins: On Saturday 2006, September 09 06:08, Paul Johnson wrote: I've never had this problem and I run sid. I don't use the same fonts as the theme I use though, seems like some of the theme defaults could have a slightly more visible choices. I may be correctable to 20/20, but that doesn't mean I can read flyspeck 3 at a comfortable distance from the monitor. In that case your X server DPI is probably wrong. Try removing the forced DPI override in /etc/kde3/kdmrc, and X will have a go at reading your monitor size from the monitor. If it can't you can always set it manually with the DisplaySize option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf's Monitor section. With a recent reinstall, KDM did not have such a default. Unless your monitor is not removable from the card (e.g. a laptop), you should always give the DisplaySize option (in case that the monitor is off during start of X). It's a bit of hassle to set up, but I really recommend putting the effort in. I agree. Especially on displays with a higher resolution, it gives you a small wow-effect. KDE is the only desktop that seems to respect DPI size, No. GNOME has taken the crazy MS route of saying all displays are 96dpi. AFAIK, you can still set it to system settings. The advantage is that you can use the same KDE settings on different computers, and always have the fonts come out at a comfortable size for you. The problem surely is badly programmed softeware. I recently saw what firefox does on a high resolution display (10 laptop): I was not amused. It just sucks, under Windows more than Linux but that is just relative to needs more work, better than old Mozilla, though. Some of it surely relates to wrong website programming. After all those years, they just don't get it :-( And whatever you think of it: do not try this under Windows. It kind of works but is _really_ ugly and most programs fail to work correctly. I hope they get this fixed with Windows Vista, they have to catch up a lot. HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RANT about fonts with KDE Updates
El Sábado, 9 de Septiembre de 2006 11:02, Andy Parkins escribió: In that case your X server DPI is probably wrong. Try removing the forced DPI override in /etc/kde3/kdmrc, and X will have a go at reading your monitor size from the monitor. If it can't you can always set it manually with the DisplaySize option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf's Monitor section. It's a bit of hassle to set up, but I really recommend putting the effort in. KDE is the only desktop that seems to respect DPI size, GNOME has taken the crazy MS route of saying all displays are 96dpi. The advantage is that you can use the same KDE settings on different computers, and always have the fonts come out at a comfortable size for you. Well, it seems that this will be selectable soon: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-develm=115651723700985w=2 I personally don't understand this whole story, but since my fonts seem ok, I decided not to touch anything. :-) -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) - GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ - Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RANT about fonts with KDE Updates
Le ven 8 septembre 2006 11:04, Lars Schimmer a écrit : Hi! I am not amused. me neither. WHY for the sake of hell do I get EVERY time a KDE update ist done on my sid box another system font? this has been discussed many times on that list. if you are pissed with sid upgrades, use sarge, and wait for etch, there won't be any problems. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpdiZwfOFkl7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RANT about fonts with KDE Updates
On Friday 08 September 2006 02:04, Lars Schimmer wrote: Hi! I am not amused. WHY for the sake of hell do I get EVERY time a KDE update ist done on my sid box another system font? I've never had this problem and I run sid. I don't use the same fonts as the theme I use though, seems like some of the theme defaults could have a slightly more visible choices. I may be correctable to 20/20, but that doesn't mean I can read flyspeck 3 at a comfortable distance from the monitor. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpD0RDNiEe1V.pgp Description: PGP signature
