Re: GNOME Font Copyright
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 19:03, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Jeff Licquia wrote: Apparently, the fonts donated to GNOME by Bitstream are now available. The current beta-test license is clearly non-free [...] Why is GNOME getting involved with non-free software at all? Why not just get involved when Bitstream is ready to distribute Free Software fonts? Probably because Bitstream refuse to operate under any model but this one (i.e., to not let substandard fonts get used as the official ones), and they're more interested in getting things done than in blue-sky idealism? We're talking about a temporary step on the way to fully Free fonts. -- Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] This particular group of cats is mostly self-herding. -- Bdale Garbee
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Re: GNOME Font Copyright
Joe Drew wrote: Probably because Bitstream refuse to operate under any model but this one (i.e., to not let substandard fonts get used as the official ones), and they're more interested in getting things done than in blue-sky idealism? So you don't really know, you're just guessing? Sticking to that blue-sky idealism helped build the community we cherish today. We're talking about a temporary step on the way to fully Free fonts. I understand that which is why I asked my second question (which you did not answer). I'll restate the question in case it wasn't clear the first time I asked it. Why didn't GNOME choose to get involved with these fonts when Bitstream releases them as Free Software fonts?
Re: Bug#181969: ITP: jasper -- Image library for the JPEG-2000 Part 1 Standard
I think this is non-free (see my comments inline), but I'm forwarding to debian-legal for their opinion. On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:50:43PM -0500, Eric Dorland wrote: JasPer Software License Copyright (c) 1999-2000, Image Power, Inc. and the University of British Columbia, Canada. Copyright (c) 2001-2003 Michael David Adams. All rights reserved. IMAGE POWER JPEG-2000 PUBLIC LICENSE GRANT: Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person (the User) obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation, to deal in the JasPer Software without restriction, including without limitation the right to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the JasPer Software (in source and binary forms), and to permit persons to whom the JasPer Software is furnished to do so, provided further that the License Conditions below are met. License Conditions ** A. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, and this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer. B. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, and this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. C. Neither the name of Image Power, Inc. nor any other contributor (including, but not limited to, the University of British Columbia and Michael David Adams) may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. D. User agrees that it shall not commence any action against Image Power, Inc., the University of British Columbia, Michael David Adams, or any other contributors (collectively Licensors) for infringement of any intellectual property rights (IPR) held by the User in respect of any technology that User owns or has a right to license or sublicense and which is an element required in order to claim compliance with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). IPR means all intellectual property rights worldwide arising under statutory or common law, and whether or not perfected, including, without limitation, all (i) patents and patent applications owned or licensable by User; (ii) rights associated with works of authorship including copyrights, copyright applications, copyright registrations, mask work rights, mask work applications, mask work registrations; (iii) rights relating to the protection of trade secrets and confidential information; (iv) any right analogous to those set forth in subsections (i), (ii), or (iii) and any other proprietary rights relating to intangible property (other than trademark, trade dress, or service mark rights); and (v) divisions, continuations, renewals, reissues and extensions of the foregoing (as and to the extent applicable) now existing, hereafter filed, issued or acquired. This is probably non-free. E. If User commences an infringement action against any Licensor(s) then such Licensor(s) shall have the right to terminate User's license and all sublicenses that have been granted hereunder by User to other parties. This probably is, too. F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No license or right to this Software is granted for products that do not comply with ISO/IEC 15444-1. The JPEG-2000 Part 1 standard can be purchased from the ISO. This is *definitely* non-free. THIS DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY CONSTITUTES AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS LICENSE. NO USE OF THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS AUTHORIZED HEREUNDER EXCEPT UNDER THIS DISCLAIMER. THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE LICENSORS AND CONTRIBUTORS UNDER THIS LICENSE ON AN ``AS-IS'' BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTIES THAT THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS FREE OF DEFECTS, IS MERCHANTABLE, IS FIT FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR IS NON-INFRINGING. THOSE INTENDING TO USE THE JASPER SOFTWARE OR MODIFICATIONS THEREOF FOR USE IN HARDWARE OR SOFTWARE PRODUCTS ARE ADVISED THAT THEIR USE MAY INFRINGE EXISTING PATENTS, COPYRIGHTS, TRADEMARKS, OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS WITH THE USER. SHOULD ANY PART OF THE JASPER SOFTWARE PROVE DEFECTIVE IN ANY RESPECT, THE USER (AND NOT THE INITIAL DEVELOPERS, THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA, IMAGE POWER, INC., MICHAEL DAVID ADAMS, OR ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTOR) SHALL ASSUME THE COST OF ANY NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AND UNDER NO LEGAL THEORY, WHETHER TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), CONTRACT, OR OTHERWISE, SHALL THE INITIAL DEVELOPER, THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA, IMAGE POWER, INC., MICHAEL DAVID ADAMS, ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTOR, OR ANY DISTRIBUTOR OF THE JASPER SOFTWARE, OR ANY SUPPLIER
Re: GNOME Font Copyright
On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 16:08, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Why didn't GNOME choose to get involved with these fonts when Bitstream releases them as Free Software fonts? Because GNOME negotiated with Bitstream to make these fonts free, which Bitstream is going to do. That is to say, GNOME's involvement is the reason these fonts are free, not the other way around.
Re: Bug#181969: ITP: jasper -- Image library for the JPEG-2000 Part 1 Standard
Looking at this license at first glance it made me uncomfortable... but nothing struck me as particularly non-free. I was hoping if there was a problem, some one would point it out, so thanks :) PS Please Cc any replies to me, I'm not subscribed to debian-legal. * Brian M. Carlson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think this is non-free (see my comments inline), but I'm forwarding to debian-legal for their opinion. On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:50:43PM -0500, Eric Dorland wrote: JasPer Software License Copyright (c) 1999-2000, Image Power, Inc. and the University of British Columbia, Canada. Copyright (c) 2001-2003 Michael David Adams. All rights reserved. IMAGE POWER JPEG-2000 PUBLIC LICENSE GRANT: Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person (the User) obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation, to deal in the JasPer Software without restriction, including without limitation the right to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the JasPer Software (in source and binary forms), and to permit persons to whom the JasPer Software is furnished to do so, provided further that the License Conditions below are met. License Conditions ** A. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, and this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer. B. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, and this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. C. Neither the name of Image Power, Inc. nor any other contributor (including, but not limited to, the University of British Columbia and Michael David Adams) may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. D. User agrees that it shall not commence any action against Image Power, Inc., the University of British Columbia, Michael David Adams, or any other contributors (collectively Licensors) for infringement of any intellectual property rights (IPR) held by the User in respect of any technology that User owns or has a right to license or sublicense and which is an element required in order to claim compliance with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). IPR means all intellectual property rights worldwide arising under statutory or common law, and whether or not perfected, including, without limitation, all (i) patents and patent applications owned or licensable by User; (ii) rights associated with works of authorship including copyrights, copyright applications, copyright registrations, mask work rights, mask work applications, mask work registrations; (iii) rights relating to the protection of trade secrets and confidential information; (iv) any right analogous to those set forth in subsections (i), (ii), or (iii) and any other proprietary rights relating to intangible property (other than trademark, trade dress, or service mark rights); and (v) divisions, continuations, renewals, reissues and extensions of the foregoing (as and to the extent applicable) now existing, hereafter filed, issued or acquired. This is probably non-free. I'm not so sure... it just seems like a standard sort of legal disclaimer to me. E. If User commences an infringement action against any Licensor(s) then such Licensor(s) shall have the right to terminate User's license and all sublicenses that have been granted hereunder by User to other parties. Isn't this just saying if you infringe on the license that the licensor can revoke your rights under it? This probably is, too. F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No license or right to this Software is granted for products that do not comply with ISO/IEC 15444-1. The JPEG-2000 Part 1 standard can be purchased from the ISO. This is *definitely* non-free. What exactly is this paragraph saying? It's a bit too legalese for me to parse. THIS DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY CONSTITUTES AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS LICENSE. NO USE OF THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS AUTHORIZED HEREUNDER EXCEPT UNDER THIS DISCLAIMER. THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE LICENSORS AND CONTRIBUTORS UNDER THIS LICENSE ON AN ``AS-IS'' BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTIES THAT THE JASPER SOFTWARE IS FREE OF DEFECTS, IS MERCHANTABLE, IS FIT FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR IS NON-INFRINGING. THOSE INTENDING TO USE THE JASPER SOFTWARE OR MODIFICATIONS THEREOF FOR USE IN HARDWARE OR SOFTWARE PRODUCTS ARE ADVISED THAT THEIR USE MAY INFRINGE EXISTING PATENTS, COPYRIGHTS, TRADEMARKS, OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO
Re: Bug#181969: ITP: jasper -- Image library for the JPEG-2000 Part 1 Standard
Scripsit Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] D. User agrees that it shall not commence any action against Image Power, Inc., the University of British Columbia, Michael David Adams, or any other contributors (collectively Licensors) for infringement of any intellectual property rights (IPR) held by the User in respect of any technology that User owns or has a right to license or sublicense and which is an element required in order to claim compliance with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). [yadda yadda yadda] This is probably non-free. I'm not completely sure I agree here - it seems that it restricts itself to self-defense against IPR attacks on an open standard. However, the line is thin, and there's probably not a detailed consensus about where to draw it in this particular area. F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No license or right to this Software is granted for products that do not comply with ISO/IEC 15444-1. The JPEG-2000 Part 1 standard can be purchased from the ISO. This is *definitely* non-free. Agreed. So luckily we don't need any detailed flamewar over which degree of anti-patent self-defense we allow a license to include. And to Eric: This clause is non-free because it restricts modifications. It does not allow modifications that change the code to work with another format than jpeg. The DFSG requires the right to make modifications, and does not permit any [1] restrictions on this right. [1] Except certain restrictions for the purpose of preventing modified versions from being falsely represented as being the work of the original author, which we do traditionally accept as free. -- Henning Makholm Al lykken er i ét ord: Overvægtig!
Re: GNOME Font Copyright
Joe Drew wrote: Because GNOME negotiated with Bitstream to make these fonts free, which Bitstream is going to do. That is to say, GNOME's involvement is the reason these fonts are free, not the other way around. So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying in exchange for distributing the non-free fonts on GNOME's FTP site, Bitstream will ultimately release the fonts under a DFSG-free[1] license? If so, where did you get this information? [1] Looking at the press release (http://www.gnome.org/pr-bitstreamfonts.html) it seems the terms Free Software and Open Source are being used interchangeably even though it's not clear the new license will qualify as a Free Software license. The distribution clause in the draft license suggests trying to become DFSG-free and qualify as an Open Source license, so perhaps it is more accurate to describe Bitstream's desire as seeking compliance with the DFSG or OSD than software freedom. I was mistaken in talking about Bitstream's new font license as a Free Software license.
Re: Bug#181969: ITP: jasper -- Image library for the JPEG-2000 Part 1 Standard
retitle 181969 RFP: jasper -- Image library for the JPEG-2000 Part 1 Standard thanks Ok, thanks for the heads up. I'm going to make change this into an RFP, since I was interested in this package before, but it's non-free nature has made me distinctly less interested :) * Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Scripsit Brian M. Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] D. User agrees that it shall not commence any action against Image Power, Inc., the University of British Columbia, Michael David Adams, or any other contributors (collectively Licensors) for infringement of any intellectual property rights (IPR) held by the User in respect of any technology that User owns or has a right to license or sublicense and which is an element required in order to claim compliance with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). [yadda yadda yadda] This is probably non-free. I'm not completely sure I agree here - it seems that it restricts itself to self-defense against IPR attacks on an open standard. However, the line is thin, and there's probably not a detailed consensus about where to draw it in this particular area. F. This software is for use only in hardware or software products that are compliant with ISO/IEC 15444-1 (i.e., JPEG-2000 Part 1). No license or right to this Software is granted for products that do not comply with ISO/IEC 15444-1. The JPEG-2000 Part 1 standard can be purchased from the ISO. This is *definitely* non-free. Agreed. So luckily we don't need any detailed flamewar over which degree of anti-patent self-defense we allow a license to include. And to Eric: This clause is non-free because it restricts modifications. It does not allow modifications that change the code to work with another format than jpeg. The DFSG requires the right to make modifications, and does not permit any [1] restrictions on this right. [1] Except certain restrictions for the purpose of preventing modified versions from being falsely represented as being the work of the original author, which we do traditionally accept as free. -- Eric Dorland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #61138586, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/16D970C6 097C 4861 9934 27A0 8E1C 2B0A 61E9 8ECF 16D9 70C6 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s++: a-- C+++ UL+++ P++ L++ E++ W++ N+ o K- w+ O? M++ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5++ X+ R tv++ b+++ DI+ D+ G e h! r- y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- pgpRJvQPj5U6Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GNOME Font Copyright
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying in exchange for distributing the non-free fonts on GNOME's FTP site, Bitstream will ultimately release the fonts under a DFSG-free[1] license? As far as I can tell, the vera fonts are not available from gnome's ftp site yet. [Feel free to provide linkage to demonstrate otherwise.] If so, where did you get this information? The press release[2] is fairly clear that Bitstream is planning on releasing the fonts under a license that will fulfill DFSG #1: The Bitstream Vera fonts will be available for free copying and redistribution and can be modified as long as the font name is changed. The fonts cannot be packaged by themselves for sale, but can be sold with any software. The GNOME Foundation will incorporate the fonts into future GNOME releases, giving end users of all levels, as well as GNOME developers, the advanced display capabilities they offer. Of course, until the license is finalized, we're just discussing the freeness of the draft license, not the freeness of any specific package that may be placed under such a license. That is, unless Bitstream has finalized the license vera is being released under, the ITP (#182212) will have to wait. so perhaps it is more accurate to describe Bitstream's desire as seeking compliance with the DFSG or OSD than software freedom. Could you please be a bit more specific as to why you see the draft license encumbering your freedom to do with the fonts as you wish? I'm not sure I follow your argument about the software (well, fonts in this case) being DFSG free but not being Free Software. Don Armstrong 1: http://www.bitstream.com/categories/news/press/2003_bitstream/012203_gnome.htm -- Tell me something interesting about yourself. Lie if you have to. -- hugh macleod http://www.gapingvoid.com/archives/batch20.php http://www.donarmstrong.com http://www.anylevel.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu pgptoOO4HwTcf.pgp Description: PGP signature
