Re: Distribution of media content together with GPLv2 code in one package?

2010-04-17 Thread Rudolf Polzer
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 10:20:12PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
 On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:45:42 +0200 Rudolf Polzer wrote:
 [...]
  Simply because the only part of the author that goes in is his thought,
 [...]
 
 It is indeed the author's thought that is goes in: something that is
 quite unique, I would say... 

Yes, but they are all transparently written down in the source code, in a form
anyone can (learn to) read. Something that is simply impossible for many kinds
of music or other media.

 In summary, I think you are oversimplifying the art of programming.

Not really.

You can perfectly replicate a program by copying its source code.

You cannot replicate the sound of spoken words by speaking the same words.

If you want to define source code as whatever is needed for replicating the
output, in a form that can be edited, then spoken voice has no such thing.

Rudolf Polzer


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Re: Does this license meet DSFG?

2010-04-17 Thread Joe Smith


Anthony W. Youngman deb...@thewolery.demon.co.uk wrote in message 
news:mp+abdfeudxlf...@thewolery.demon.co.uk...
In message 20100410130817.gq25...@anguilla.noreply.org, Peter Palfrader 
wea...@debian.org writes

So I cannot combine a work licensed under this license with a work
licensed under GPL3 + SSL exception because the latter does not
allow downgrading to gpl2 (or upgrading to gpl3+).


I think you're wrong here. Being pedantic, NO version of the GPL allows 
regrading. It's the grant of licence that allows the regrading.


Is this intentional?


No. Because the grant of licence DOES allow regrading, therefore what any 
particular version of the GPL says is irrelevant. The recipient CAN change 
the licence from GPL3 to GPL2 (or vice versa) because the *grant* gives 
him permission.


Except the grant as stated in awful license grant posted appears to be 
approximately the following the following:


-
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
of the License, or (at your option) any later version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

As a special exception you may link this work with OpenSSL as long as you 
comply with its license, and comply with the GPL v3 (or at your option) any 
later version in all remaining respects, provided that the terms OpenSSL's 
licence contain no additional GPLv3 (or the later version you chose) 
incaptible terms relative to the version of the licences used by OpenSSL 1.0 
in May of 2010, and under the condition that any recipients can upon removal 
of OpenSSL use this work under their choice of one the following:


* no version of the GPL
* GPL v2 only
* GPL v3 only
* GPL v2 or V3 only
* GPL v2 or later
* GPL v2 or later (except for V3)
* GPL v3 or later
* only versions later than GPL v3
--

That is pretty much what the terms currently say.
I'm pretty sure that last part was not fully intended tro come out like 
that,
but that is how the terms currently appear to read. That is why doing things 
like seperately listing V2, V3, and post V3 as seperate items was very 
stupid.


What the grant writer actually wanted was most likely:
---
This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
of the License, or (at your option) any later version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

As a special exception you may link this work with OpenSSL as long as you 
comply with its license, and comply with the GPL v3 (or at your option) any 
later version in all remaining respects, provided that the terms OpenSSL's 
licence contain no additional GPLv3 (or the later version you chose) 
incomptible terms relative to the version of the licence used by OpenSSL 1.0 
in May of 2010.



That requires users to abide by V3 or later terms while using the SSL 
exception, allowing for any changes in the OpenSSL licence that do not make 
the OpenSSL license less compatible with the chosen version of the GPL than 
the current license is. (Changes that don't impact compatibility, or that 
increase compatibility with the GPL being of course permmitted).


Of course that last clause could use a bit of cleaning up, and may have 
minor grammar or spelling issues, but I think I captured the basic idea. 




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Re: Distribution of media content together with GPLv2 code in one package?

2010-04-17 Thread Ben Finney
Rudolf Polzer divver...@alientrap.org writes:

 You can perfectly replicate a program by copying its source code.

 You cannot replicate the sound of spoken words by speaking the same
 words.

That's not comparing like with like, as I believe has been pointed out
several times in this thread.

The source code for the program, represented as software
(digitally-encoded information), is the preferred form of the work for
making modifications to that work. The sound of spoken words,
represented as software, is the digital recording of that sound.

 If you want to define source code as whatever is needed for
 replicating the output, in a form that can be edited, then spoken
 voice has no such thing.

Yes, it does. The usual “preferred form of the work for making
modifications to it”, borrowed from the wording of the GPL, applies just
fine: The preferred form of a software work consisting of recorded voice
would surely be the best available high-quality software recording of
that work.

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Ben Finney


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