logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-27 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi!

 On #debian-www will raised concerns that there might be issues with
respect to our logo license for including the debian lettering. It
doesn't contain a warranty waiver, and given that we publish svg images
which could contain potential harmful scripting (from will's
interpretation, not sure if that actually is possible or if there is
some sandbox involved?) this might be considered an issue.

 Is this something we should change? Not worry about? Much Ado Nothing?
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Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:29:48 +0200 Gerfried Fuchs wrote:

   Hi!

Hello!

 
  On #debian-www will raised concerns that there might be issues with
 respect to our logo license for including the debian lettering. It
 doesn't contain a warranty waiver,

If I understand correctly, the concern is about the Debian Open Use
Logo with the “Debian” text [1].
This logo is still non-free according to the DFSG, as explained in the
logos page [2], and indeed it seems that no disclaimer of warranty is
present in its license.

[1] for instance  http://www.debian.org/logos/openlogo-100.png
[2] http://www.debian.org/logos/

 and given that we publish svg images
 which could contain potential harmful scripting (from will's
 interpretation, not sure if that actually is possible or if there is
 some sandbox involved?) this might be considered an issue.
 
  Is this something we should change? Not worry about? Much Ado Nothing?

I have expressed my own personal disappointment with the Debian logos
situation for a long time. The first time I can remember is on July
2004 [3].

[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/07/msg00208.html

AFAICT, the last time this issue was (briefly) discussed on
debian-legal is on March 2010, in a 3-message thread [4] that left my
questions unanswered, as has happened in other cases about the same
topic...

[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg5.html

I don't know whether the lack of warranty disclaimer should be
considered as a serious problem or a minor issue, but I am not
satisfied [5] with the current licensing of Debian logos (three of them
are non-free, and only one is DFSG-free).

[5] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2008/11/msg00048.html


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Debian Open Use Logo License (DOULL): warranty provided?

2010-06-27 Thread Pompee William

Hello,

According to the DOULL there's no warranty provided for the use of the 
software referring to the logo WITHOUT Debian but there's nothing said 
for the logo WITH Debian. Does it assume I may complain to the Debian 
Project for the use of a derivative work from the logo WITH Debian in a 
SVG format with an embedded script which could exploit a software 
security hole and mess up my system?


Regards,

Pompee William


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Re: Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-27 Thread Pompee William

Hello,

I agree with your proposal to do nothing to protect the Debian trademark 
under the copyright law using the DOULL since the trademark is 
automatically protected under the trademark law and we should enforce it 
by this mean only.


Regards

Pompee William


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