Packaging the MeeGo stack on Debian - Use the name ?
Hi dear MeeGo-dev,
(some CCs added for convenience and openness)
I am Didier 'OdyX' Raboud, a Debian Maintainer and I am part of the pkg-meego
group on Debian. Our (blurry) intent is to allow Debian users to benefit from
the software that comes out of the MeeGo project.
Following the Smeegol release and the Trademark compliance, name usage, etc.
thread (and in particular Ibrahim's answer⁰), I want to clear up the path on
which we will walk before being too late.
Our work has somehow begun and is more-or-less documented on the Debian wiki¹.
Some ITP² bugs have already been filed and packaging is in progress on our git
repositories (which are linked from the wiki page¹). Debian packages of
libcontentaction, meegotouch-theme and libmeegotouch will very soon hit the
Debian NEW queue, then the archive. So there is a clear need of sorting that
issue right now.
Currently, we use the {M,m}-e-e-{G,g}-o sequence of letters in the following
places:
* in our team code (pkg-meego), which is:
- a unix group name (in fact two, there is also scm_pkg-meego) on the
alioth.debian.org machine
- a project name within the Alioth infrastructure:
https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-meego/
- part of our mailing list name:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listingo/pkg-meego-maintainers
* in our team name :
- on the above project page (Debian MeeGo Team)
- on the wiki team page (Debian MeeGo stack maintainers)
- in the Maintainer: field of the not-released-yet packages (in the
debian/control file): (Debian MeeGo packaging Team)
(There is some uncoherence here, it might need merging.)
* (of course, but mentioning for exhaustiveness) in the packages names :
- e.g. meegotouch-theme, libmeegotouch, …
In the future, when this work will (eventually) be led to its end, we might
very well consider releasing meta-packages (as kde-standard, lxde-core, gnome-
desktop-environment, etc) that would be named as meego-handset-ux for example.
Another possibility would be to release live-CDs or installation CDs that would
either launch or allow installation of meego-based environment (as is currently
done for KDE-SC, Gnome, XFCE, …). Their naming is of course not sorted out yet,
but using something along the paths of debian-wheezy-amd64-meego-CD-1.iso would
match what we currently do with KDE or XFCE+LXDE.
[By the way, there is not (at least not currently) the intent/need/whatever to
reach a compliance level for the MeeGo software on Debian. Debian is
(intended
to be) universal and by such there is no reason (from our point of view) to
_not_ offer to Debian users the free software stuff that comes out of the MeeGo
project.]
So my questions are :
* which of the above uses is considered OK (or not) by MeeGo (or whoever is
entitled to draw a line)?
* how should we name ourselves?. In fact we _are_ the Debian team that
handles the packaging for the Debian distribution of the software that comes
out of the MeeGo project but that's long, would a Debian MeeGo maintainers
team name be Okay ? Is the pkg-meego team code Okay ?
* if we are not granted the right (whatever that might mean) to use the
MeeGo trademark to refer to the software that comes out of the MeeGo
project, what are we supposed to use instead? (Please don't make us use
things like the name everyone knows but that I can't write).
* Other pieces of advice ?
Thanks in advance for constructive answers, cheers,
OdyX
[⁰] http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/006547.html
[¹] http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PkgMeeGo
[²] Intent to Package
--
Didier Raboud, proud Debian Maintainer (DM).
CH-1020 Renens
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Wording for public domain
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Re: Wording for public domain
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo jcs...@gmail.com writes: Is this wording valid to be considered as Public Domain? It's rather difficult to effectively place a work in the public domain. Copyright laws nowadays are extremely sticky in their applicability, and it's hard to avoid that. Try the Creative Commons “CC0” public domain declaration URL:http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/. It may not be perfect, but it's one of the best attempts I've seen and has gone through a great deal of scrutiny to find fault with it. -- \ “First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing, for verbing | `\weirds language. Then, they arrival for the nouns and I speech | _o__) nothing, for I no verbs.” —Peter Ellis | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k4lcr04w@benfinney.id.au
Fit for non-free?
Hi! I'm currently thinking of packaging a piece of software [1, 2] that is itself licensed under the GPL but contains some data files which come with a for non-commercial use only license [3]. I *think* it should be okay to distribute these files in non-free but before I start spending time here I would really appreciate it if someone from the legal team could have a look at the situation. [1] http://www.evefit.org/ (new dev version) [2] http://pyfa.sourceforge.net/ (legacy version) [3] http://www.eveonline.com/community/fs_agreement.asp cheers -- Stefan Ott http://www.ott.net/ You are not Grey Squirrel? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimvrsqzd10pi9nb09m86khzr2rzyjydkdye+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fit for non-free?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Stefan Ott ste...@ott.net wrote: [3] http://www.eveonline.com/community/fs_agreement.asp For reference, here is the full text of this agreement: AGREEMENT FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE For Fan and News Sites, Online Radio Stations and Chat Venues Please read this document carefully: This Community Outlet User Agreement (“License”) is a legal and binding Agreement between you and/or your organization (“YOU”), CCP Games, its subsidiaries, affiliates and licensors (collectively “CCP”). By indicating your acceptance, you accept all the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Your use of any and all game materials and your development and provision of a community outlet are subject to this Agreement. WHEREAS, CCP has developed certain intellectual properties, including, but not limited to; artwork, characters, story-lines and other characteristics of the universe in Eve Online (The Properties) in connection with the computer game Eve Online and is willing to grant you the right to use some of these Properties in a non-commercial manner as set forth in this Agreement; and WHEREAS, you desire to use art assets or other intellectual properties for a single non-profit, non-commercial purpose as set forth in this Agreement; NOW, THEREFORE, you agree as follows: 1. License 1.1. Non-commercial use license Upon the terms and subject to the conditions of this Agreement, CCP hereby grants to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable right and license to use some of its intellectual property in a non-commercial manner. You may not, and may not permit others to, use, reproduce, sublicense, distribute or dispose of any intellectual properties, in whole or in part, except as expressly permitted under this Agreement. 1.2. License to Use Trademark and Trade Name Any and all trademarks and trade names that CCP uses in connection with the non-commercial license granted hereunder are and remain the exclusive property of CCP. Nothing contained in this Agreement shall be deemed to give you any right, title or interest in any trademark or trade name of CCP relating to the Properties except as expressively permitted under this Agreement. 1.3. Purpose Your use of any of the Properties is for a single non-commercial purpose; outlined in an application for non-commercial use (Application) filled out after agreeing to this Agreement, and is limited to those parts of the Properties required for that purpose. CCP reserves the right to judge which parts of the Properties are necessary in each case and to limit other uses at its sole discretion. Unless specifically noted, this Agreement does not cover uses of software owned by the CCP. 2. Conditions 2.1. General Principles You are bound by the following principles: * You will make it clear that this use is unofficial by including some wording to the effect that, for example, This material is used with limited permission of CCP Games hf. No official affiliation or endorsement by CCP Games hf is stated or implied.” * In such cases as you are permitted to use such material, you will not change official trademarks in any way (e.g., remove, obscure, stretch or deform them). * You will include an appropriate disclaimer on any material that could otherwise be construed as the work of CCP Games. * You undertake to make the origins of the intellectual property very clear; in other words, make sure that from a brief review of this material people know that the intellectual property being used for a non-commercial purpose is CCP Games’ intellectual property (and not your own IP or the IP of a third party). 2.2. Non-permissible acts You undertake not to perform any of the following acts: * Use the Property in relation to any commercial activity. This includes, for example, paying a printer to print some flyers, obtaining sponsorship, or selling non-CCP Games materials using CCP’s trademarks. This shall not prevent websites from using revenues from banner ads to cover the costs of the website operation, as long as such advertising is not the primary purpose of the website in question and advertisements are in compliance with EVE Online End User License Agreement, EVE Online Terms of Service and EVE Website Terms of Use Agreement. * Use CCP’s trademarks in respect of your domain name. * Use The Property in relation to any third party products or third party intellectual property. * Alter CCP’s trademarks in any way. * Use any of The Property without appropriately crediting the intellectual property and using appropriate disclaimers in accordance with this Agreement. * Create, distribute, or use any material that is not consistent with the functionality, atmosphere, and parameters of the Eve Online universe as created and owned by CCP Games. * State that anything that is created using the Property is official. * Create, distribute, or use any material that is derogatory, obscene, or offensive. * Create,
Re: Fit for non-free?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Stefan Ott ste...@ott.net wrote: [3] http://www.eveonline.com/community/fs_agreement.asp For reference, here is the full text of this agreement: AGREEMENT FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE ... Upon the terms and subject to the conditions of this Agreement, CCP hereby grants to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable right and license to use some of its intellectual property in a non-commercial manner. You may not, and may not permit others to, use, reproduce, sublicense, distribute or dispose of any intellectual properties, in whole or in part, except as expressly permitted under this Agreement. This section lets you use some stuff. It is unclear if this means we can distribute it or not. Given all the limitations and stuff I would not go near this. Not Worth Bothering With™. Your time might be better spent working on joining the Debian Games Team and getting vegastrike back into the archive ;) -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinpn01+-moktghd-p7yt9_hp5=3zr5qqn-kv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fit for non-free?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:48, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Stefan Ott ste...@ott.net wrote: [3] http://www.eveonline.com/community/fs_agreement.asp For reference, here is the full text of this agreement: AGREEMENT FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE ... Upon the terms and subject to the conditions of this Agreement, CCP hereby grants to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable right and license to use some of its intellectual property in a non-commercial manner. You may not, and may not permit others to, use, reproduce, sublicense, distribute or dispose of any intellectual properties, in whole or in part, except as expressly permitted under this Agreement. This section lets you use some stuff. It is unclear if this means we can distribute it or not. Given all the limitations and stuff I would not go near this. Not Worth Bothering With™. Thanks for having a look at it. What about removing non-dfsg stuff from upstream and fetching the data in postinst? Your time might be better spent working on joining the Debian Games Team and getting vegastrike back into the archive ;) Oh noes, not *another* game! I barely manage to play my current ones :) cheers -- Stefan Ott http://www.ott.net/ You are not Grey Squirrel? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin2o3cc80od8l68wx_ad76tzboawetfecx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fit for non-free?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Stefan Ott ste...@ott.net wrote: Thanks for having a look at it. What about removing non-dfsg stuff from upstream and fetching the data in postinst? Sounds acceptable for contrib. What is this data anyway? Oh noes, not *another* game! I barely manage to play my current ones :) :) -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinjd_e4pk8umf81n=_qxzdcctekz7aafsjkn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fit for non-free?
Stefan Ott ste...@ott.net writes: Thanks for having a look at it. What about removing non-dfsg stuff from upstream and fetching the data in postinst? That would remove the package, at the least, to the ‘contrib’ area; possibly further. -- \ “I don't want to live peacefully with difficult realities, and | `\ I see no virtue in savoring excuses for avoiding a search for | _o__)real answers.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2009-09-12 | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877hhcqm0c@benfinney.id.au
