Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] Debian with OpenSolaris: a broken dream]

2005-09-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 06:33:17PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
 * Alvaro Lopez Ortega:
 
  Florian Weimer wrote:
 
   Some days ago I asked about the viability the idea of creating a new
   architecture of Debian using the OpenSolaris stack.
 
  Just the kernel or libc as well?
 
That is something in which we will have to think if there isn't any
issue with the license.  By the moment there isn't a detailed
technical plan over the desk, it is just a proposal. The first step
is to check if the CDDL meets with the DFSG.
 
 Ah, okay.  A CDDLed libc is impossible for Debian because you can't
 distribute GPLed software that links to it.  The operating system
 exception deliberately does not apply when you are distributing an
 operating system.

A new data point on this, i belive it will be an effort concerning only the
OpenSolaris kernel, with glibc and usual debian userland, exactly how the *BSD
kernels with glibc is handled.

This means that the only thing to consider is the freeness or lack thereof of
the CDDL, and comatibility with the (L)GPL is not problematic for this.

As i understand from previous posts here, the main problem was concerning the
choice-of-venue clause, not sure if the other concerns of the start of the
year did indeed change or not, as there where various variations of the
licence.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] Debian with OpenSolaris: a broken dream]

2005-07-26 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega

Florian Weimer wrote:

  Some days ago I asked about the viability the idea of creating a new
  architecture of Debian using the OpenSolaris stack.

 Just the kernel or libc as well?

  That is something in which we will have to think if there isn't any
  issue with the license.  By the moment there isn't a detailed
  technical plan over the desk, it is just a proposal. The first step
  is to check if the CDDL meets with the DFSG.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] Debian with OpenSolaris: a broken dream]

2005-07-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alvaro Lopez Ortega:

 Florian Weimer wrote:

  Some days ago I asked about the viability the idea of creating a new
  architecture of Debian using the OpenSolaris stack.

 Just the kernel or libc as well?

   That is something in which we will have to think if there isn't any
   issue with the license.  By the moment there isn't a detailed
   technical plan over the desk, it is just a proposal. The first step
   is to check if the CDDL meets with the DFSG.

Ah, okay.  A CDDLed libc is impossible for Debian because you can't
distribute GPLed software that links to it.  The operating system
exception deliberately does not apply when you are distributing an
operating system.


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[Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] Debian with OpenSolaris: a broken dream]

2005-07-25 Thread Alvaro Lopez Ortega

Hi all,

  Some days ago I asked about the viability the idea of creating a new
  architecture of Debian using the OpenSolaris stack.

  I got a reply complaining and pointing out some problems about the
  CDDL license, which I understood like a CDDL rejection from Debian.

  Now, I have got this message, so I'm wondering again if the CDDL
  license meets with the DFSG.

  I need some clarification.  What is the official position of Debian
  about this license?


  PS: I'm attaching the CDDL license: http://www.sun.com/cddl/

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