Re: RFS: spim
On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this in ‘non-free’? If the answer is “nothing explicit”, then the default copyright restrictions prevent the Debian project from redistributing the work at all. Looks like a Debian person contacted him about this a long time ago: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/spim/current/copyri ght IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words: Note: James Larus has clarified his license in regards to how it relates to packaging and redistribution. He welcomes the packaging and redistribution via other media, as long as his copyright is retained and source code is distributed. That's far from what we normally require: explicit written license in the copyright holder's own words. I'd suggest that upstream should provide a clear statement for debian/copyright that Debian (and Ubuntu) is allowed to distribute spim. It is a shame he refuses to change the license to something free (as mentioned on IRC). If he has a PGP/GPG key to clearsign the statement with, that would be good too. Perhaps the copyright holder doesn't realise that, if he grants additional permissions that “welcome packaging and redistribution”, that *is* changing the license (at least, the license as received by Debian). The license terms become a union of what he's initially written plus that extra permission statement. Being not on the DL mailing list I don't know if there's been any movement. I talked to Larus (CC'd here) about it and he said he'd be willing to send a statement directly to the list. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: Perhaps the copyright holder doesn't realise that, if he grants additional permissions that “welcome packaging and redistribution”, that *is* changing the license (at least, the license as received by Debian). The license terms become a union of what he's initially written plus that extra permission statement. Being not on the DL mailing list I don't know if there's been any movement. As I understand it, ‘debian-legal’ has discussed as far as it can go for now. The movement needs to come from the copyright holder. I talked to Larus (CC'd here) about it and he said he'd be willing to send a statement directly to the list. Far better than a separate statement in email, the full license terms should simply be updated in a new release of the work. That way, every recipient has access to the full terms under which they can act. Then the new license terms can be discussed as a whole here on ‘debian-legal’ to see what problems remain. Choosing a well-understood, widely-known free-software license (e.g. GNU GPL or Expat terms) would make this much simpler, of course. -- \ “… one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was | `\that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful | _o__) termination of their C programs.” —Robert Firth | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Far better than a separate statement in email, the full license terms should simply be updated in a new release of the work. That way, every recipient has access to the full terms under which they can act. Then the new license terms can be discussed as a whole here on ‘debian-legal’ to see what problems remain. That's poorly phrased. While I did mean to imply that both the above should happen, there is no necessary sequence to them. That is, discussing a new set of license terms doesn't require that the release has yet happened. Choosing a well-understood, widely-known free-software license (e.g. GNU GPL or Expat terms) would make this much simpler, of course. Meaning that it would make the discussion much quicker, and simpler to get the work into Debian. -- \“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more | `\robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument | _o__) than others.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: RFS: spim
OK, let's make this simple. The Debian project has permission to distribute spim and xspim. I'm planning on changing the license in the next release -- but not GPL, probably BSD or MIT. Is this sufficient? /Jim James Larus la...@microsoft.com Cloud Computing Futures • Microsoft Research http://research.microsoft.com/~larus 425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: Ben Finney [mailto:ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:20 PM To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Cc: Mackenzie Morgan; Jim Larus Subject: Re: RFS: spim Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Far better than a separate statement in email, the full license terms should simply be updated in a new release of the work. That way, every recipient has access to the full terms under which they can act. Then the new license terms can be discussed as a whole here on ‘debian-legal’ to see what problems remain. That's poorly phrased. While I did mean to imply that both the above should happen, there is no necessary sequence to them. That is, discussing a new set of license terms doesn't require that the release has yet happened. Choosing a well-understood, widely-known free-software license (e.g. GNU GPL or Expat terms) would make this much simpler, of course. Meaning that it would make the discussion much quicker, and simpler to get the work into Debian. -- \“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more | `\robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument | _o__) than others.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au
Re: RFS: spim
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com wrote: OK, let's make this simple. The Debian project has permission to distribute spim and xspim. ... Is this sufficient? Great, thanks! Some permission to modify and distribute modified versions would be useful in the case a bug needs to be patched in a stable release. More importantly, Mackenzie, I imagine Ubuntu will want the same permissions as Debian? I'm planning on changing the license in the next release -- but not GPL, probably BSD or MIT. That would be much much better. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: RFS: spim
Just to confirm: I give permission to any open source project to modify and distribute spim and xspim, so long as my name and copyright remains on the code. /Jim James Larus la...@microsoft.com Cloud Computing Futures • Microsoft Research http://research.microsoft.com/~larus 425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: paul.is.w...@gmail.com [mailto:paul.is.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wise Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:59 PM To: Jim Larus Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org; Mackenzie Morgan Subject: Re: RFS: spim On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com wrote: OK, let's make this simple. The Debian project has permission to distribute spim and xspim. ... Is this sufficient? Great, thanks! Some permission to modify and distribute modified versions would be useful in the case a bug needs to be patched in a stable release. More importantly, Mackenzie, I imagine Ubuntu will want the same permissions as Debian? I'm planning on changing the license in the next release -- but not GPL, probably BSD or MIT. That would be much much better. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Re: RFS: spim
Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com writes: Just to confirm: I give permission to any open source project to modify and distribute spim and xspim, so long as my name and copyright remains on the code. Thanks for persisting with this. However, this is insufficient for the work to meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines. For those guidelines, the license terms must grant *any* recipient of the work via Debian, regardless of that recipient's purpose or field of endeavour, to modify and redistribute the work under the same license terms. You might like to quickly review the guidelines we use to judge the freedom of a work URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt, and a related FAQ document URL:http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html. Would it be acceptable to grant license under the terms of the Expat license URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt? If you make a statement that you grant recipients of the works ‘spim’ and ‘xspim’ a license under those terms, then those works will be unambiguously free under the DFSG. -- \ “We are no more free to believe whatever we want about God than | `\ we are free to adopt unjustified beliefs about science or | _o__) history […].” —Sam Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: RFS: spim
I give permission to anyone to modify and distribute spim and xspim, so long as my name and copyright remains on the code. James Larus la...@microsoft.com Cloud Computing Futures • Microsoft Research http://research.microsoft.com/~larus 425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: Ben Finney [mailto:ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:41 PM To: Jim Larus Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org; Mackenzie Morgan Subject: Re: RFS: spim Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com writes: Just to confirm: I give permission to any open source project to modify and distribute spim and xspim, so long as my name and copyright remains on the code. Thanks for persisting with this. However, this is insufficient for the work to meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines. For those guidelines, the license terms must grant *any* recipient of the work via Debian, regardless of that recipient's purpose or field of endeavour, to modify and redistribute the work under the same license terms. You might like to quickly review the guidelines we use to judge the freedom of a work URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt, and a related FAQ document URL:http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html. Would it be acceptable to grant license under the terms of the Expat license URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt? If you make a statement that you grant recipients of the works ‘spim’ and ‘xspim’ a license under those terms, then those works will be unambiguously free under the DFSG. -- \ “We are no more free to believe whatever we want about God than | `\ we are free to adopt unjustified beliefs about science or | _o__) history […].” —Sam Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au
Re: RFS: spim
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: * Package name: spim Version : 7.5-1 When I was asked to some university exercises with spim I used spimsal 4.4.2, a fork of an older version of spim that advertises itself to be available under the terms of the GPL v1. How about packaging it instead? I'll quote their README file from http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~spim/cvsweb/cvsweb.cgi/spimsal/README?rev=1.1.1.1content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup entirely here: This release is Version 4.4.2. See the file INSTALL for information on compiling Spim. Spim versions begining with 4.4.1 are on a separate developement track from Spim versions after 5.0. This is due to changes to the GNU licence released with Spim 5.0. Spim 5.0 has many features not present in this version, including cycle level simulation. Spim 4.4.2 has features not in Spim 5.0. Most notible is that this version can assemble SAL (Simple Assembly Launguage). Spim version 4.4.2 is based on Spim version 4.4. Version 4.4 was written by Jim Larus and Alan Siow. Version 4.4.2 is covered by the GNU licence (see COPYING). Version 4.4.2 includes modifications and bug fixes by Scott Kempf. These modifications allow Spim to exectute SAL code, an assembly launguage similar to MIPS assembly language, but easier to use. SAL was designed by James Goodman, Scott Kempf, and Karen Miller. Additions and changes to Spim Version 4.4 are copyrighted by Scott Kempf and are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License, Version 1. Please read this document, which is in the file COPYING. These additions and changes include, but are not limited too: the SAL assembler, error handling improvements, the memory mapped I/O feature, improved installation, improved testing, and the interrupt driven trap handler. // You must not use -DNOMEMIO in the Makefile to use memory mapped I/O. Ftp to pipe.cs.wisc.edu and look in pub/spim.tar.Z . For ancient compilers that do not support ANSI, use pub/nonansi.spim.tar.Z. For e-mail on future updates (until May 1993) mail sco...@cs.wisc.edu. Until May 1993, please feel free to mail any bugs, complaints, or comments to me at sco...@cs.wisc.edu. Portability is a major consern of mine, so I'd even like to know minor changes needed to make spim compile on your system. Scott Kempf This directory contains SPIM--an assembly language MIPS R2000/R3000 simulator. The files are: Makefile The make file for the system. READMEThis file. COPYING GNU copyright notices. VERSION Version number of system. buttons.c X-interface code for command buttons. data.c Code to handle data directives. inst.c Code to build instructions and manipulate symbol table. mem.c Code to maintain memory. memio.c Code to handle memory mapped I/O. run.c Instruction simulator. spim-utils.c Misc. routines. spim.c Top-level interface. sym_tbl.c Symbol table. textact.c X-interface code. windows.c X-interface code to build windows. xspim.c Top-level X-interface. xutils.c X-inteface code. *.h include files for public funtions parser.y Parser for lines of assembly instructions. scanner.l Scanner. trap.handler Standard trap handler. Tests Subdirectory contain torture tests to verify that SPIM works. spim.tex mips.id xinterface.id TeX document that describes SPIM. spim.ps Postscript version of TeX document. To make spim, edit the first few lines of the Makefile to set the parameters for the target machine, then type quot;make testquot;. To make xspim, type quot;make xspim.quot; SPIM is copyrighted by me and is distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License, Version 1. Please read this document, which is in the file COPYING. Although SPIM is free software, it cost time and money to produce. If you use SPIM and work in industry, you can help support development of software of this sort by having your company make a unrestricted donation to my research program. To do this, mail me check (address attached) payable to ``Computer Sciences Fund -- University of Wisconsin Foundation.'' The foundation's federal taxpayer identification number is 39-074-3975. James Larus la...@cs.wisc.edu Computer Sciences Department 1210 West Dayton Street University of Wisconsin Madison, WI 53706 608-262-9519 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
On Monday 19 October 2009 5:10:54 am Ben Finney wrote: Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. I talked to Larus and he said he would send a statement to Debian Legal. Does that work? -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 19 October 2009 5:10:54 am Ben Finney wrote: Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. I talked to Larus and he said he would send a statement to Debian Legal. Does that work? Possibly, depending on how it's done. Better would be for the copyright holder to re-release the work, with the license terms changes to include all the freedoms in a single document in the work. That way it's obvious to everyone what the full set of license terms is. -- \ “All television is educational television. The question is: | `\ what is it teaching?” —Nicholas Johnson | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: The license is as follows: You may make copies of SPIM for your own use and modify those copies. All copies of SPIM must retain my name and copyright notice. You may not sell SPIM or distribute SPIM in conjunction with a commercial product or service without the expressed written consent of James Larus. This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this in ‘non-free’? If the answer is “nothing explicit”, then the default copyright restrictions prevent the Debian project from redistributing the work at all. Looks like a Debian person contacted him about this a long time ago: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/spim/current/copyright IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. I'd suggest that upstream should provide a clear statement for debian/copyright that Debian (and Ubuntu) is allowed to distribute spim. It is a shame he refuses to change the license to something free (as mentioned on IRC). If he has a PGP/GPG key to clearsign the statement with, that would be good too. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this in ‘non-free’? If the answer is “nothing explicit”, then the default copyright restrictions prevent the Debian project from redistributing the work at all. Looks like a Debian person contacted him about this a long time ago: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/spim/current/copyright IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words: Note: James Larus has clarified his license in regards to how it relates to packaging and redistribution. He welcomes the packaging and redistribution via other media, as long as his copyright is retained and source code is distributed. That's far from what we normally require: explicit written license in the copyright holder's own words. I'd suggest that upstream should provide a clear statement for debian/copyright that Debian (and Ubuntu) is allowed to distribute spim. It is a shame he refuses to change the license to something free (as mentioned on IRC). If he has a PGP/GPG key to clearsign the statement with, that would be good too. Perhaps the copyright holder doesn't realise that, if he grants additional permissions that “welcome packaging and redistribution”, that *is* changing the license (at least, the license as received by Debian). The license terms become a union of what he's initially written plus that extra permission statement. Better to re-write the license terms in a single document. Best, of course, to simply choose an existing, widely-understood free software license, and explicitly grant all of the work's recipients the license under those terms. Since it seems the copyright holder wants to have as little hassle from copyright licensing as possible, I would suggest the terms of the Expat license URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt as being brief, easily-understood, and clearly free. -- \ “A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.” | `\—Adlai Ewing Stevenson | _o__) | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: Since it seems the copyright holder wants to have as little hassle from copyright licensing as possible, I would suggest the terms of the Expat license URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt as being brief, easily-understood, and clearly free. I asked him before to release it under a Free license. He does not wish to do so. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Le Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 06:42:31PM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/spim/current/copyright Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words: Note: James Larus has clarified his license in regards to how it relates to packaging and redistribution. He welcomes the packaging and redistribution via other media, as long as his copyright is retained and source code is distributed. That's far from what we normally require: explicit written license in the copyright holder's own words. I do not know who ‘we’ are in this story, but the fact that the above URL stems from packages.debian.org demonstrates that the statement was enough for the package to be accepted in the Debian archive. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
[sending again, this time with Mackenzie's requested Cc] Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words […] Better to re-write the license terms in a single document. Best, of course, to simply choose an existing, widely-understood free software license, and explicitly grant all of the work's recipients the license under those terms. Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: I asked him before to release it under a Free license. He does not wish to do so. Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. -- \ “To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an | `\ authority myself.” —Albert Einstein, 1930-09-18 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words […] Better to re-write the license terms in a single document. Best, of course, to simply choose an existing, widely-understood free software license, and explicitly grant all of the work's recipients the license under those terms. Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: I asked him before to release it under a Free license. He does not wish to do so. Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. -- \ “To punish me for my contempt of authority, Fate has made me an | `\ authority myself.” —Albert Einstein, 1930-09-18 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Le Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 06:42:31PM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words: […] That's far from what we normally require: explicit written license in the copyright holder's own words. I do not know who ‘we’ are in this story, but the fact that the above URL stems from packages.debian.org demonstrates that the statement was enough for the package to be accepted in the Debian archive. This doesn't contradict what I've said: that the Debian project *normally* (AFAICT) requires explicit written license terms from the copyright holder. Nor does the fact that the package *was* in the archive mean that it will be again accepted without explicit written license to redistribute. I think it's unlikely that an alert ftpmaster would today allow it into the archive in such a state, and I'm alerting the maintainer of this. -- \ “Courage is not the absence of fear, but the decision that | `\ something else is more important than fear.” —Ambrose Redmoon | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I think it's unlikely that an alert ftpmaster would today allow it into the archive in such a state, and I'm alerting the maintainer of this. In case you missed it, spim has been removed from Debian for a long time so there is no reason to alert the maintainer. Mackenzie is the maintainer for it in Ubuntu and you already notified her. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: RFS: spim
Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: [Please CC me in replies] Done. I am sending to the ‘debian-legal’ forum, to discuss the license terms of the work. * Package name: spim Version : 7.5-1 Upstream Author : James R. Larus la...@microsoft.com * URL : http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~larus/spim.html * License : other Section : non-free/electronics It builds these binary packages: spim - MIPS R2000/R3000 emulator The package appears to be lintian clean. The license is as follows: You may make copies of SPIM for your own use and modify those copies. All copies of SPIM must retain my name and copyright notice. You may not sell SPIM or distribute SPIM in conjunction with a commercial product or service without the expressed written consent of James Larus. This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this in ‘non-free’? If the answer is “nothing explicit”, then the default copyright restrictions prevent the Debian project from redistributing the work at all. -- \“The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must | `\ not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true.” | _o__) —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
