Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
The SIL Open Font License[0], version 1.0 states: [PREAMBLE] The OFL allows the licensed fonts to be used, studied, modified and redistributed freely as long as they are not sold by themselves. [CONDITION1] 1) Neither the Font Software nor any of its individual components, in Standard or Modified Versions, may be sold by itself. The License FAQ[1] on their website states the following (not legally binding, but just additional information): [QUESTION1.6] Question: 1.6 Can I include the fonts on a CD of freeware or commercial fonts? Answer: Yes, as long some other font or software is also on the disk, so the OFL font is not sold by itself. [QUESTION1.8] Question: 1.8 Why won't the OFL let me sell the fonts alone? Answer: The intent is to keep people from making money by simply redistributing the fonts. The only people who ought to profit directly from the fonts should be the original authors, and those authors have kindly given up potential income to distribute their fonts under the OFL. Please honor and respect their contribution! Summary --- The license is clearly non-free as it violates DFSG 1 and 6: Commercial redistribution of the font alone is not allowed. Guerkan, the maintainer of the ttf-gentium package, is already aware of the license change. However, the package needs to remain in non-free because of the said issues above. Nevertheless, he will update the package soon to the new license. Regards, Daniel [0] http://scripts.sil.org/OFL_web [1] http://scripts.sil.org/OFL-FAQ_web -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
Dear All, The Gentium font (http://scripts.sil.org/gentium) has been re-released under the SIL Open Font License (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL). This is excellent news as there are few free/open-source fonts that cover the Latin, Cyrillic and Greek Unicode blocks, and special characters/symbols. I would like to update the ttf-gentium page, at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttf-gentium so that the font is no longer under non-free. Is the SIL Open Font License (final version) free? Simos Hi Simos and Martin-Eric, I've now built a new .deb for Gentium 1.02 with improved maintainer scripts and all the right elements needed for an OFL release, it also includes the Fontlab sources. You can get it from http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium_download Your feedback is very welcome. As soon as we get the official position of the FSF published (rms and other key members of the community including Jim Gettys from GNOME already told us OFL 1.0 was free), and - of course - the agreement of Debian, we can upload into main. Eben Moglen and others from the Software Freedom Law Center are also looking into it. -- Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
Nicolas Spalinger wrote: (rms and other key members of the community including Jim Gettys from GNOME already told us OFL 1.0 was free) I seriously don't think[0] so. The mentioned violation of the DFSG also applies to the GNU Freedoms. Regards, Daniel [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00337.html -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#341138: Info received (was Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License)
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Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
(rms and other key members of the community including Jim Gettys from GNOME already told us OFL 1.0 was free) I seriously don't think[0] so. The mentioned violation of the DFSG also applies to the GNU Freedoms. Regards, Daniel [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00337.html Hi Daniel, I'm not so sure about that... See this post from Jim Gettys for example: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/fonts/2003-April/msg3.html RMS does think the license (version 1.0) is free, that's what he has told us via email. Anyway, let's wait for the FSF's official position. DFSG 1: Gentium can be sold as part of _any_ software agregate DFSG 6: I don't think there's any discrimination here at all as the OFL explicitely mentions the ability to sell Can you please elaborate a bit more on why you think the OFL violates the DFSG? What do you think of the Vera Bitstream or the Arphic licenses then? What do other -legal members think? -- Nicolas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously don't think[0] so. The mentioned violation of the DFSG also applies to the GNU Freedoms. You think wrong. DFSG 1 does not require any piece of software to allow commercial sale as an independent component. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
To make it short, as Matthew wrote: You think wrong. DFSG 1 does not require any piece of software to allow commercial sale as an independent component. is true, I agree. My problem of understanding is/was: a work that is licensed under OSF 1.0 is not free as an individual component because I am not allowed to redistribute it commercially as it is/unmodified (I have to add at least another component to be allowed to do so). Intuitively, I've said that Debian can ship such 'partially'/'not truly'-free works. Oviously, I was wrong and nevertheless, Debian does denote such works as free. This was and is not ment as an offence, it's just my personal understanding of free software. Regards, Daniel -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
Daniel Baumann wrote: Intuitively, I've said that Debian can ship such 'partially'/'not truly'-free works. s/can/can't/ -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open ?Font License
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current Open Font License appears to have excessive restrictions upon the names of modified works. The Gentium font licence in particular reserves these terms: While this may be annoying, I can't see why it should not be DFSG-free. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
Dear All, The Gentium font (http://scripts.sil.org/gentium) has been re-released under the SIL Open Font License (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL). This is excellent news as there are few free/open-source fonts that cover the Latin, Cyrillic and Greek Unicode blocks, and special characters/symbols. I would like to update the ttf-gentium page, at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttf-gentium so that the font is no longer under non-free. Is the SIL Open Font License (final version) free? Simos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Review needed: Gentium font re-released under the SIL Open Font License
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 14:32 +, Simos Xenitellis wrote: Dear All, The Gentium font (http://scripts.sil.org/gentium) has been re-released under the SIL Open Font License (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL). This is excellent news as there are few free/open-source fonts that cover the Latin, Cyrillic and Greek Unicode blocks, and special characters/symbols. I would like to update the ttf-gentium page, at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttf-gentium so that the font is no longer under non-free. Is the SIL Open Font License (final version) free? [SIL International, please note that this response was posted to the Debian Legal mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/] This is exciting news. Gentium is a beautiful font! http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiitem_id=Gentium_download (Text included at footnote [1]) The current Open Font License appears to have excessive restrictions upon the names of modified works. The Gentium font licence in particular reserves these terms: Gentium is a Reserved Font Name for this Font Software. SIL is a Reserved Font Name for this Font Software. From clause 3: 3) No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font Name(s), in part or in whole, unless explicit written permission is granted by the Copyright Holder. This restriction applies to all references stored in the Font Software, such as the font menu name and other font description fields, which are used to differentiate the font from others. This appears to preclude many reasonable names such as UnofficialGentiumFork, JusGentium (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/j055.htm), Silo, Fossil, Missile, Silent, Resilient, Silk, Silver, Silica, Tensile, etc. (potentially hundreds of English words and phrases). And I've only touched upon using the reserved font names in whole (as expected when one of the reserved font names is a mere three letters). This may give some ideas for redrafting the clause: Modified versions of the Font Software must be distributed under a new distinctive Reserved Font Name, unless explicit written permission is granted by the Copyright Holder. The previous Reserved Font Name(s) are to be marked as defunct to serve as a list of impermissible Reserved Font Name(s). This restriction applies to all references stored in the Font Software, such as the font menu name and other font description fields, which are used to differentiate the font from others (though reference may be made to defunct font names as such). I suggest all fonts should have one distinctive non-defunct reserved font name, perhaps in this case SILGentium (i.e. Gentium as distributed by SIL International). Please let responsible organisations determine whether the new name of a derived font is distinctive enough to be distributed by them. The in part or in whole rule doesn't allow intelligence to be applied to the issue of whether modified font software is acceptable for redistribution. Regards, Adam [1] License Gentium is released under the SIL Open Font License - please read it carefully and do not download the fonts unless you agree to the terms of the license: This Font Software is Copyright (c) 2003-2005, SIL International (http://scripts.sil.org/). All Rights Reserved. Gentium is a Reserved Font Name for this Font Software. SIL is a Reserved Font Name for this Font Software. This Font Software is licensed under the SIL Open Font License, Version 1.0. No modification of the license is permitted, only verbatim copy is allowed. This license is copied below, and is also available with a FAQ at:http://scripts.sil.org/OFL SIL OPEN FONT LICENSE Version 1.0 - 22 November 2005 PREAMBLE The goals of the Open Font License (OFL) are to stimulate worldwide development of cooperative font projects, to support the font creation efforts of academic and linguistic communities, and to provide an open framework in which fonts may be shared and improved in partnership with others. The OFL allows the licensed fonts to be used, studied, modified and redistributed freely as long as they are not sold by themselves. The fonts, including any derivative works, can be bundled, embedded, redistributed and sold with any software provided that the font names of derivative works are changed. The fonts and derivatives, however, cannot be released under any other type of license. DEFINITIONS Font Software refers to any and all of the following: * font files * data files * source code * build scripts * documentation Reserved Font Name refers to the Font Software name as seen by users and any other names as specified after the copyright statement. Standard Version refers to the collection of Font Software components as distributed by the Copyright Holder. Modified Version refers to any derivative font software made by adding to, deleting, or substituting -- in part or in whole -- any of the
