Bug#1068479: cynically closed by Rene Engelhard (Re: Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation)
* José Luis González [240407 15:00]: > reopen 1068479 > thanks > > Hi all, > > Rene Engelhard seems to be a worse case even than Ricardo Mones. Take a > look at my recent bug reports to libreoffice-writer and his replies. > > In this one: > > > Am 06.04.24 um 11:03 schrieb Rene Engelhard: > > > Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González: > > >> The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing > > >> and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. > > > > > > ? > > > > > > It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before". > > I meant spacing between paragraphs, not spacing after and before > paragraphs. The report was crystal clear. > > The difference, for those who didn't realize is space after paragraph > happens always, and between only between them, being the regular > separation between paragraphs (the other is formatting, and isn't > useful as a substitute because it adds something undesirable at the end > of the document or between paragraphs and other kinds of block > elements). > First, please carefully consider the reply from Pierre-Elliott Bécue. The tone of your email is way out of line. If this is the way you regularly communicate, I would not be surprised that Rene closes your bug reports. It is clear to me from your quote of Rene's response that Rene honestly believed he was answering your question and the bug should be closed. Politely expressing the difference between the current behavior and what you were asking for, and at the same time reopening the bug (at a proper severity), would have been appropriate. It should have been done in the bug tracker and _not_ on this list. I've set Reply-To to the bug report only. I don't use libreoffice daily, but I do use it. If this is a case that lowriter already has a way to obtain "between" spacing, but it is just not in the proper dialog box, then this is a "normal" bug at most, possibly "minor". However, I don't believe lowriter ever had such a feature. If this is the case, the severity is "wishlist", and not higher. (If it does have this feature, I would personally be interested in how to do it!) In no way would I consider this an "important" bug, and absolutely not "serious" or RC. All missing or not-yet-implemented features might be considered to have a "major effect on usability" by someone, but in almost all cases, such a feature request is still only a "wishlist" bug. Please don't confuse the difference between how you would like the software to behave and how it is currently designed to behave as being anything more than a feature request, regardless of how important you believe the feature is. ...Marvin
Bug#1068479: cynically closed by Rene Engelhard (Re: Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation)
Hi, Am 07.04.24 um 20:59 schrieb José Luis González: Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González: The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. ? It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before". I meant spacing between paragraphs, not spacing after and before paragraphs. The report was crystal clear. No, it wasn't. The difference, for those who didn't realize is space after paragraph happens always, and between only between them, being the regular separation between paragraphs (the other is formatting, and isn't useful as a substitute because it adds something undesirable at the end of the document or between paragraphs and other kinds of block elements). Aha. Still not RC. You could have replied to my mails, though. As said here and proved by screenshots in en,de and es this is present. Why should anybody provide a screenshot of a feature that is missing? What would be the screenshot of? Vacuum? Read again, I didn't ask for screenshots. Closing this non-bug. The non-bug that should be closed is your brain pretending a RC bug doesn't exist, especially since you fully knew it was a bug, and you closed it just because it bothers you having a RC one in the package. If you don't want to maintain the package leave the position for other who does, and stop ruining Debian's Quality and bothering me. Even if there was a bug it's not RC. From: José Luis González To: sub...@bugs.debian.org Subject: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 00:34:12 +0200 X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.8.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Package: libreoffice-writer Version: 4:7.4.7-1+deb12u1 Severity: serious The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. Serious severity because the bug has a major effect on the usability of the package, without rendering it completely unusable, considering paragraphs are a key feature in a word processor, and spacing is something very very basic for them and incredibly necessary. And again: That is the definition of important at most, not serious. Read the bug severities. Regards, Rene
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libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
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Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
Hi,
Am 06.04.24 um 11:43 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
Am 06.04.24 um 11:31 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
Am 06.04.24 um 11:11 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
See https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works.png
Just for avoidance of doubt since the screenshot is in German:
[...]
And the first part is the indentation: ("Einzug"):
- Before
- After
- First Line
Sorry, ignore that one, you were just aiming at the spacing before/after
the paragraph, not the indentation (not enough coffee yet).
Still, as shown before the spacing before/after the paragraph is there.
Regards,
Rene
Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
Hi again, Am 06.04.24 um 11:11 schrieb Rene Engelhard: Am 06.04.24 um 11:03 schrieb Rene Engelhard: Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González: The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. ? It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before". See here (yes, from stable): Got lost. See https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works.png Just tried in es_ES.UTF-8 (since that is what your other report used) and C (english) and also there: https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works-es.png https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works-en.png So not reproducible in either spanish or english locale either. Regards, Rene
Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
Hi,
Am 06.04.24 um 11:31 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
Am 06.04.24 um 11:11 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
See https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works.png
Just for avoidance of doubt since the screenshot is in German:
That is the second part "Absatz".
First is "above", second is "below" (the paragraph)
And the first part is the indentation: ("Einzug"):
- Before
- After
- First Line
Regards,
Rene
Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
Hi, Am 06.04.24 um 11:03 schrieb Rene Engelhard: Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González: The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. ? It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before". See here (yes, from stable): Got lost. See https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works.png Regards, Rene
Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
Hi again, Am 06.04.24 um 11:11 schrieb Rene Engelhard: Am 06.04.24 um 11:03 schrieb Rene Engelhard: Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González: The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. ? It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before". See here (yes, from stable): Got lost. See https://people.debian.org/~rene/libreoffice/1068479-works.png Just for avoidance of doubt since the screenshot is in German: That is the second part "Absatz". First is "above", second is "below" (the paragraph) Regards, Rene
Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
tag 1068479 + moreinfo tag 1068479 + unreproducible severity 1068479 important thanks Hi, Am 06.04.24 um 00:34 schrieb José Luis González: The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. ? It's definitely there. Format -> Paragraph has spacing "after/before". See here (yes, from stable): Serious severity because the bug has a major effect on the usability of the package, without rendering it completely unusable, considering paragraphs are a key feature in a word processor, and spacing is something very very basic for them and incredibly necessary. Don't overfinflate severities. That is the definition of important "5 important a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone. 6 serious is a severe violation of Debian policy (that is, the problem is a violation of a 'must' or 'required' directive); may or may not affect the usability of the package. Note that non-severe policy violations may be 'normal,' 'minor,' or 'wishlist' bugs. (Package maintainers may also designate other bugs as 'serious' and thus release-critical; however, end users should not do so.). For the canonical list of issues deserving a serious severity you can refer to this webpage: https://release.debian.org/testing/rc_policy.txt . " This matches 5, not 6. And it's unreproducible. Regards, Rene
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Bug#1068479: libreoffice-writer: space between paragraphs missing in spacing and indentation
Package: libreoffice-writer Version: 4:7.4.7-1+deb12u1 Severity: serious The setting for spacing between paragraphs is missing in the spacing and indentation tab of the paragraph dialog. Serious severity because the bug has a major effect on the usability of the package, without rendering it completely unusable, considering paragraphs are a key feature in a word processor, and spacing is something very very basic for them and incredibly necessary.
