Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?

1997-01-22 Thread beland
 Even simpler is to change the pine editor to vim, and enable vim's
 digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in
 ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters.
 
 E.g. e-acute is ^Ve'.

I guess you mean Ctrl-K instead of Ctrl-V...

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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.

1997-01-22 Thread John Goerzen
 If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try 
 sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime.

Look how much Debian has compared to Slackware or RedHat, though.  All of it 
integrated with the Debian package manager.
 
 I'm seriously thinking of going back to slackware.  I've searched 
 ftp.debian.org for bash 2.0, the 2.1.x kernel, and other recent software, 

Ummm, why would you expect an operating system to come with an EXPERIMENTAL 
and UNSTABLE kernel?  If Debian would ship with 2.1.x, I'd really dislike it.  
But the kernel-package works fine with 2.1.x.  Just download it.  Or you can 
do it like you always did with Slackware -- the hard way.

 but they're nowhere to be found.  I just found out that my Debian system 
 compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone 

You probably didn't use the kernel-package then.  If you want to do it 
manually, fine, but like any other system, you need to make sure you know what 
you're doing.

Let the package system work for you -- don't be constantly trying to subvert 
it.

 thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc.  I 
 have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) 
 packages, either.  This is ridiculous.  Under Slackware, when I want 

There is no reason for somebody that just needs to run a program that 
requires, for insance, Tcl, Tk, SLANG, XView, etc. to have the full 
development binaries.  It is a waste of disk space.  Besides, how hard is it 
to hit + twice instead of once in dselect if you want the developer's version 
of the package?

 S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it.  
 Debian gives me several packages to choose from, which, it turns out, are 
 all required.  Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something 
 weird.  Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it.  So, I go to the S-LANG home 
 page and get the real source and compile it.  Lynx compiles fine.  Why 
 was I recompiling Lynx?  Because the guy who compiled that screwed it 
 up!  My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like.  
 All this effort could have gone towards making my old Slackware system 
 more usuable than my current Debian system!

Please elaborate here.  Lynx works fine on my machine.  So does SLANG, SLRN 
(uses Slang), most (also uses slang), etc.

 
 I don't know.  Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian.  I 
 like to run the latest stuff.  Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, 
 most stable software.  I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and 

Really.  Please take another look.  One of the main reasons I picked Debian 
instead of RedHat or Slackware was that Debian had the most current software.  
When I installed it, Debian had kernel 2.0 while Slackware was stuck at 
1.2.13. Today, Redhat has 2.0.18, Slackware 2.0.0, and Debian has 2.0.27.  
(Actually, this was current as of December.)  Gee, Slackware really is on the 
bleeding edge sarcasm

 not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually 
 administer a UNIX system...  I feel like I'm running Windows 95.  
 Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, 
 changing industry standards without notice, etc.

You make lots of accusations without mentioning any specific instance.  Unless 
you elaborate with examples, you can hardly expect anyone to take you 
seriously.

What software isn't configurable???  Debian has Sendmail available just like 
anyone else.  You can make your own cf file just like anyone else.

You are familiar with the concept of the /etc directory, aren't you???


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Re: User names longer than 8 characters

1997-01-22 Thread Chad Zimmerman

I have been able to do it with the --force-badname in the adduser command.

Chad D. Zimmerman
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On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote:

 
   The subject line says it... in these days user names longer than 8
 characters are becoming popular... user names with additional non
 alphanumeric characters in them as well.
 
   But if I set my name longer than 8 characters, I get a complaint about
 it being longer than 8 characters?
 
   Any comments?
 
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Re: Debian-1.2.3 and libc5 problems

1997-01-22 Thread Sean Mooney


On 21 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 of the packages in 1.2.3 pre-depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1), a
 number of packages were marked for removal.
 
 We've worked around this problem by s using Debian-1.2.2 rather
 than stable for the dselect ftp directory.  I'll check to see if
 the libc5 problem is a known bug and if not I'll submit a bug
 report.  

I had this problem, too.  I tried a number of different solutions,
and I eventually went to unstable (something I really didn't want to
do...) to take care of it.  Unfortunately, this caused a couple of other
dependancy problems, which don't seem to be as serious as the libc5 one.  
Shouldn't libc5 v.5.4.17-1 be in the stable directory, there are a number 
of progs in stable that require it (ex. perl, quake, etc)? I'll look into
using Debian-1.2.2 instead of unstable.  

Sean


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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.

1997-01-22 Thread Stuart Lamble

Matt Kracht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) 
packages, either.

As a developer, this can, I suppose, be a little annoying. The whole
point is that if you, a _user_ (note the emphasis) require a shared
library to _run_ a program, you shouldn't be obliged to obtain all the
static linking libraries, header files, etc. to go with it. Those things
would only be needed by those compiling programs.

libelf0, which I maintain, is a fairly small package. libelf0-dev has
an 800 kilobyte .a file (plus headers, and a few other things). Do you
really think users, who _only want to run software_, would thank me if
I put that file, which would never be used, into libelf0? And that's
not an isolated example, either... you can find similar cases with
libc.

all required.  Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something 
weird.  Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it.  So, I go to the S-LANG home 
page and get the real source and compile it.  Lynx compiles fine.  Why 
was I recompiling Lynx?  Because the guy who compiled that screwed it 
up!  My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like.  

So report bugs. It takes only a little amount of your time compared to
recompiling, and the result is a set of packages better suited to your,
and hopefully other people's, needs. What's more, upgrading programs
compiled as a Debian package is a helluva lot more easy than upgrading
programs installed by hand - there were programs on my old Slackware
system that had long since been gone, but still had configuration
files, and other things like that, floating around in odd spots - solely
because I didn't know where to look for them. Debian, and RedHat, take
the pain out of upgrades in that respect.. and Debian's package
management system is more advanced in severals respect than RedHat's.

I don't know.  Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian.  I 
like to run the latest stuff.  Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, 
most stable software.

Hardly the oldest.. but yes, one of the aims is stability. Running the
latest stuff, as somebody else pointed out, is a recipe for disaster on
a system being run as part of an ISP, or a commercial situation. In those
situations, you _WANT_ the most stable software you can _GET_ - if you're
constantly rebooting, expensive hardware is not being utilised effectively.

  I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and 
not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually 
administer a UNIX system...  I feel like I'm running Windows 95.  

Compile software: it takes time. Have you tried compiling X? I have; in
fact, I am under a certain _obligation_ to do so, since I'm supposed to
test as many alpha servers as I can for the XFree86 project. If a make
World gets done overnight, it's a pretty good job - admittedly on a
relatively slow system, but it illustrates the point.

Keith Lewis, a sysadmin here at Monash, used to compile every program
installed on the mainstream machines. This took up his _entire_ morning,
as he transferred sources for requested software, compiled it, and
installed it. Now he accepts compiled binaries, making notes of who
compiled what - it takes up much less time when he could be fixing more
serious problems.

Be on bleeding edge: if the bleeding edge falls over, what do you do?
At home, on a hobby machine, it's not a problem; in a workplace
environment, it is _totally_ unacceptable. (workplace environment, in
this case, also refers to home computers being used for work.) If it
ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT. (that's the philosophy for work computers, of
course :)

Administer a UNIX system: yes, but the above two mentioned things are not
related to this argument.

Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, 
changing industry standards without notice, etc.

Unconfigurable? Get your hands dirty, and look under /etc sometime.
Changing industry standards? Enlighten me - how does Debian do this?
(No sarcasm, I'm genuinely interested.) Bad planning? On occasion,
guilty as charged; feel free to volunteer to help us with this. That's
where Debian comes from: the work of volunteers. Yes, at times, our act
is not brilliant; but from what I've seen, Debian has managed to get a
lot more right than wrong.

Off topic, but slightly related: I'd like, at this point, to sing the
praises of Bruce Perens. He's done a magnificent job, against a lot of
flack from several developers (when they disagreed, and those who agreed
with him kept quiet :). My hat goes off to him.


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Re: Debian review in Linux Journal

1997-01-22 Thread Ioannis Tambouras



On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Eloy A. Paris wrote:

 I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read
 the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996
 issue.

  Do not think that LJ has all their articles on-line. They have some,
  but not the Debian review article.  

  There is also a distribution comparison, dated Jan 15 1997, but it 
  contains ancient information, http://www.ssc.com/lj/distable.html.
  
  
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Re: gcc cc1

1997-01-22 Thread Javier Gismero

Have you seen the directories under /usr/lib/gcc-lib??
Probably you will have more than one version, so you have to link in the newest 
one to the binaries resident in the older one.
I had the same problem with g77 (it did'nt find the libf2c.a) and with two 
links the problem was solved


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Problems installing with UltraStor SCSI

1997-01-22 Thread Ties Bos
Hi,

I've got a problem installing on a PC 486 using an UltraStor SCSI
adapter. I think a driver is not included on the rescue disk. 
Anyone knows how to create a new rescue disk? 
(Debian is running on another machine, so compiling a kernel would be
no problem).

Thanks in advance,

Ties.


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Bruce Perens to appear Saturday January 25 1997 in NYC at

1997-01-22 Thread Jay Sulzberger
the first LXNY meeting of 1997. 

Bruce Perens, leader of the Debian GNU/Linux Project, will be at
Mariella's Pizza at 225 West 57-th Street in New York City at 6:30 pm on
January 25, 1997.  Mariella's is near to Coliseum Books, and across the
street from the Duane Reade drugstore.  Columbus Circle is near by.  For
those who dare to bring a car into Manhattan, there do exist parking lots,
but we have been informed by the City of New York that there are no more
municipal parking lots.

Bruce will meet with as many as possible GNU/Linux/Unix/Other hackers,
users, and enthusiasts.  Those who have never seen Linux in action are
also warmly invited to attend.  Skeptics about the possibility of anarchy
as a mode of production are particularly welcome. 

If possible rsvps from those intending to come should be sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] as soon as possible, so that we have some idea of how many
to expect.  But come, even if you do not send an rsvp.  If you are late
that is all right too.



 What is Debian GNU/Linux?

Linux Distributions

Linux is a non-commercial variant of Unix, developed by volunteers all
over the world.  Linux proper is an operating system kernel, not an
environment.  The next layer around the kernel is called a distribution. 
The distribution provides a system:  installation/bootstrapping, assign-
ment of pathnames to files, coordination of packages, e.g., with shared
library (matching versions).  There are a number of base distributions (my
terminology), including:  Yggdrasil, Unifix, Tamu, SLS, Slackware, Red
Hat, MCC, Linux-FT, Debian, Craftworks.  Some of these are sold directly,
some are sold by third party distribution companies such as Springer
Verlag, Linux Systems Labs, InfoMagic and iConnect, and some are
repackaged further, often combined with other packages and services, e.g.,
Caldera and WGS.

The Debian Project 

The Debian Project, presently under the leadership of Bruce Perens, is,
like Linux itself, a non-commercial worldwide development effort.  Debian
GNU/Linux is a complete Unix-compatible operating system.  Debian is
famous for developing a method for checking the dependencies among its
diverse packages and for providing a means to upgrade the system
selectively and in place.  The distribution is available for free from
Debian and many mirror sites, see the web site listed below for further
details, including a list of companies providing the distribution (e.g.,
on CD-ROM).


In short, Debian GNU/Linux is one of several Last Best Hopes of Humanity,
and comes of an ancient and honorable horde.  Their web site address is: 

 http://www.debian.org





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Re: dpkg architecture

1997-01-22 Thread Philippe Troin

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:24:03 CST Jesse Goldman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

 I just noticed that the dpkg--print-architecture command gives me back
 i386 while I'd guess, since I have a PPro, it should say i686. This
 is, in fact, what uname gives me. Is i386 used here to mean intel
 machines generally? Reason I wondered is that the debian kernel rules file
 seems to call the dpkg architecture command and not the system one.

Yes, that's it. i386 means intel platforms supporting the 386-enhanced 
processor mode.
The reason why dpkg uses this is that a binary built on i[3456]86 can run on 
any of the intel platforms.

About the debian kernel package, are you sure about this ? Then this might be a 
little problem. Check it out (I don't use kernel-package myself), and open a 
bug eventually.

Phil.



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Re: Debian review in Linux Journal

1997-01-22 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
On Jan 21, Eloy A. Paris wrote
 I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read
 the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996
 issue.

I don't think you can find it online yet. But, http://www.ssc.com/lj/mags.html
gives an email address for communicating I'd really like to see the article
`Linus conquers the world' from issue 42 on your website.

 From www.debian.org I thought the review was in September's issue so I
 order the back issue and sadly found out that in that issue there was
 just a distribution comparisson.

If you have a suggestion on how to rephrase the LJ references line, 
please contact me in private email.

Ray
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Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote:

  Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it...
 
 Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your

Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these.
I still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea,
it gives the newbie some good information that normally is
hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command,
a terrific utility, always what the newbie wants.

I also think that these tips is not *instead* of the manual,
it is a complement. Something like:
ls can display different types of directory entries in
different colors, just type 'man ls' to see how.
is a good tip in my opinion (referring to a man page)

So, we'll see where this ends...

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Problem installing UltraStor SCSI adapter

1997-01-22 Thread Ties Bos
Hi,

I think the rescue disk does not include a driver
for my UltraStor SCSI adapter. Does anyone know how to create 
a new rescue disk? I've got another PC up and running, so compiling
a new kernel would be no problem.

Thanks in advance,

Ties.


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Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg? [OOPS]

1997-01-22 Thread Ted Harding
( Re Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
 
  Even simpler is to change the pine editor to vim, and enable vim's
  digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in
  ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters.
  
  E.g. e-acute is ^Ve'.
 
 I guess you mean Ctrl-K instead of Ctrl-V...
 
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Yes indeed!!  Thanks for drawing attention to this typo. Therefore, what I
should have posted:

   Even simpler is to change the pine editor to vim, and enable vim's
   digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented characters in
   ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-K followed by two other characaters.

   E.g. e-acute is ^Ke'.

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Re: gcc cc1

1997-01-22 Thread Victor Torrico
Richard Sevenich wrote:
 
 My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error
 message is:
   'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory'
 Any clues/hints?
 Richard
 
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The same thing happened to me. I did a dpkg --purge gcc and then
reinstalled it and was then able to compile. You may have to remove one
or two gcc dependent packages before removing gcc.

Victor


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Re: gcc cc1

1997-01-22 Thread Sven Rudolph
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Sevenich) writes:

 My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error
 message is:
   'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory'
 Any clues/hints?

gnat provides a gcc frontend with a mismatching version. Remove gnat.

Sven
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RE: Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Casper BodenCummins
Jonas Bofjall wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote:

  Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it...
 
 Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your

 Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these.
 still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea,
 it gives the newbie some good information that normally is
 hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command,
 terrific utility, always what the newbie wants.

I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle
or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as
tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the
answer to this?

Casper Boden-Cummins.


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Re: Experiencing lockups

1997-01-22 Thread Seak, Teng-Fong
Robert Nicholson wrote:
 
 When running X , every time I go out to the kitchen and getting
 something to eat and come back the machines is locked up. The mouse
 pointer's no where to be seen. and it takes _several_ reports  _even_
 after a powerdown to get keyboard to work again at the login prompt.
 
 Very confusing.
 
 I was running in 24 bit mode if that matters.

 .27 kernel

Very strange.  Let's see: do you set APM in Bios?  Or other power
manager?  What about if you disable all these stuffs?  What applications
are you running?

What did you mean by it takes _several_ reports?

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Client for AFS?

1997-01-22 Thread Andree Leidenfrost
The Subject syas it all: Is there a Debian package of the Linux port of
the Andrew File System client?

Regards,

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Bash Function File

1997-01-22 Thread Victor Torrico
I use a bash function file /usr/local/bash_functions. In the
/etc/profile file there is a statement source
/usr/local/bash_functions. I can normally use the bash fuctions when I
am in my /home/user directory but when I do an su I can no longer use
the bash_functions without resourcing them. This is very inconvenient.
What can I do so they stay sourced whether I am /home/user $ or su #? Is
there some place to put a source statement which will do the job? I have
tried source statements in /home/user and /root .bash_profile files as
well. Another of life's little mysteries.

Victor Torrico


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vim/libXaw.so.6

1997-01-22 Thread Neale Banks
I've loaded the vim package successfully, but get:
vim: can't load library 'libXaw.so.6'

Any clues?

TIA

Neale.


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Re: mount/unmount scripts

1997-01-22 Thread tomk
Dale Scheetz writes:
 
 On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Here are some shell scripts for mounting and unmounting DOS  CDROM stuff.
  My DOS partition is /dev/hda1 and the cdrom drive is /dev/hdb. If yours is
  different, change the scripts to match your equipment. I keep these in the
  /root directory and use su - to access them. I'm working on automounting
  these devices so that I can dispose of these scripts.
  
 I use an entry in fstab to mount my DOS partition. You could do this with
 the CD as well except for the problem of removable media. I use a simple
 one line script to mount my CD.

True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the cdrom drive
won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts.

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Re: Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
 
 Jonas Bofjall wrote:
 
 On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Niels wrote:
 
   Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it...
  
  Another good one is if e2fsck says it cannot read the superblock of your
 
  Since it seems like nobody else does, I have noted these.
  still think that the Microsoft-like tips is a good idea,
  it gives the newbie some good information that normally is
  hidden inside the deep deep manuals. Like the 'find' command,
  terrific utility, always what the newbie wants.
 
 I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle
 or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as
 tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the
 answer to this?
 
 Casper Boden-Cummins.
 
 
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Hi,
from a quick look, it seems that the format is pretty easy. There is a pair
of files, the source where all fortunes are just separated by a % sign and
a data file with the info for the files that is automatically created from the
former by strfile(8). It seems to be pretty straightforward. (But this was just
a quick look...)

Luis.


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Re: dpkg architecture

1997-01-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

Yes, the kernel package rules file does use the dpkg
 architecture command, which is used to generate the file/distribution
 name (we have valid architectures listed as i386, m68k, sparc? and
 alpha, I think, but we do not have 486/586/pentium/686/ppro, (look at
 stable/unstable binary-XXX directories on any Debian archive).

I do not think this is a problem, since the configuration of
 the kernel is left upto the user,  (ie make menuconfig), and they may
 specify whatever processor type the want; the kernel produced depends
 on that, not on the value that debian/rules has determined. 

manoj
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Re: weird su behavior

1997-01-22 Thread Michel 'dbk' Rochman
Ricardo Kleemann says:

 recently I've been having problems going into root...
 When I do a 'su' and type in the passwd, it kicks me out [...]

Philippe Troin replies:

 Try doing a `strace su' as root to see where is breaks...

I suppose you meant Try doing a 'strace su' [logging] as root ?  :)
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Re: Client for AFS?

1997-01-22 Thread Martin Konold
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Andree Leidenfrost wrote:

 The Subject syas it all: Is there a Debian package of the Linux port of
 the Andrew File System client?

Unfortunatelly AFS is commercial software. There is a client for Linux 
available for money.

Please contact your AFS contractor.

Yours,
-- martin

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   Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the 
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   Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os !
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Re: The CD Issue

1997-01-22 Thread Michael Stutz
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Brian C. White wrote:

 Debian is committed to making a high-quality Linux distribution.  It's
 not commited to public charity.  Even the GPL says you can charge anything
 you want for the software.  You just can't restrict further distribution
 of that code.

As they say, the free in free software refers to freedom, not price...



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mongo.pixar.com - OS type?

1997-01-22 Thread Richard Jones
I am writing some tcp accounting stuff and am trying to figure out some
anomolous termination sequences from mongo, (I dont get this from all sites, 
mongo is one of the few), and I wondered what OS it was running to correlate
against the other sites I get the unusual behaviour from.

Thanks,
Richard Jones.




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Re: Debian review in Linux Journal

1997-01-22 Thread Fabien Ninoles
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 Hi,
 
 I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read
 the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996
 issue.
 
 From www.debian.org I thought the review was in September's issue so I
 order the back issue and sadly found out that in that issue there was
 just a distribution comparisson.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
The comparaison of November are quite the same as the one in September.
They still compared with the 0.93c Release.. :(

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Re: mount/unmount scripts

1997-01-22 Thread Seak, Teng-Fong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dale Scheetz writes:
 
  I use an entry in fstab to mount my DOS partition. You could do this 
  with
  the CD as well except for the problem of removable media. I use a 
  simple
  one line script to mount my CD.
^^^

What he wanted to say and one advantage of using fstab is that: instead
of typing

   % mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom

we just need to type

   % mount /cdrom

as explained in CDROM-HOWTO.

 True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the 
 cdrom drive
 won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts.
 
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Re: JDK not working

1997-01-22 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Martin Alonso Soto Jacome [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 naoma: ~$ java
 java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
 naoma: ~$ jdb
 java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
 naoma: ~$ javac
 java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
 
 Any clues on what the problem may be?

Well, there is something wierd going on in the package (I guess it's
trying to make room for caffe and guavac and such when they become
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Newbie questions (hope those are not FAQ !)

1997-01-22 Thread Rodolphe Suescun
Greetings,

I tried to install Debian 1.2 (from Infomagic Dec.1996) yesterday, and had
a few problems :

- while installing packages with dselect, i get a few odd messages like 
(sorry cannot remember the exact messages but it means... ):
[Lots of install messages]
Updating foo.1-2-18 (new version is foo.1.2.19)
Updating foo.1-2-19 (new version is foo.1.2.18)
[Lots of install messages]

-Tried to install netscape and it cannot find libxpm.so (which is installed
of course). Everything seems OK except there is no ld.so anywhere (just
the docs and man pages). Same problem with other packages, of course.

Where am I wrong ? Is the Infomagic cdrom a good source for the Debian
distribution ?

Thanx a lot in advance.

Rod.

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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.

1997-01-22 Thread Seak, Teng-Fong
The previous writer (whose message wasn't included) doesn't restrict
people's choices, he just suggested a 'core' distribution which gives us
a basic choice while alternative choices are always available.
I support his proposal, esp good for newbies.  Take a newbie's point of
view: the first time when one installs apps. for mail and one is given
sendmail, mail, Mail, xmail, smail, pine, elm, xhm, et al, and every
package says IT'S used for mail, what would he do?  Doesn't he feel
LOST?  Do you think he knows they are CHOICES?  I think he would just
install EVERYTHING.

Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
 
 I disagree.  From what I've read, the Debian charter doesn't stop
 commercial vendors or indeed anyone from making their own distribution
 based on Debian containing as few or as many packages as they want.  
 So the Debian team doesn't really need to get involved in that.  Yes
 the distribution is huge but until it overflows the 650 MB capacity of
   ^^

I hope we aren't going to repeat a similar error which Bill Gates
committed before.  For those who don't know what I am talking about,
here's the famous quote from Mr. Gates: 640 Kb should be enough for
everyone.  Unfortunately, less than 10 years (or even shorter) his own
sentence put him into troublesome: memory addressing limits.  And thus
his company made all those windows, emm386, himem; and other companys'
ndos and 4dos, etc.  That's ONE of the reasons why people leave DOS
behind.

Even though there might be blue laser double-sided optical disks in the
near future which gives us 10 Gb or more, it doesn't mean we don't need
to organise things properly, or else when thing gets too big to manage,
it will be too late!!!  Fundamental organisation is essential, don't you
agree?

 a CD-ROM there is no need to needlessly restrict peoples choices.


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Re: mount/unmount scripts

1997-01-22 Thread Siggy Brentrup
 True, but if there isn't a cdrom in the drive at boot-up time, the cdrom drive
 won't mount 8-) That's why I created the scripts.

Have a look at the user and noauto options (I recommend man mount)
My /etc/fstab contains the lines

/dev/scd0 /cdrom iso9660 user,noauto,ro 0 0
/dev/fd0 /dos/a msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0
/dev/hda2 /dos/c msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0
/dev/sda1 /dos/d msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0
/dev/sda5 /dos/e msdos user,noauto,rw 0 0

This way mount /cdrom works from a normal user account and e.g.
  mount /dos/d
from my normal login (bsb) makes all files on /dos/d owned by bsb.bsb 

No need for home-brewn scripts, no need for su.

Hope this helps
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Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs

1997-01-22 Thread James W. Lynch

I'm the Sec'try/Treasurer of a local amateur radio club
and we just set up an account at the local bank.  The only drawback
was that they wanted the SSN of the club officers.  I'd guess you'd
have to apply for a not-for-profit (as opposed to a non-profit)
organization tax id, if you wanted to avoid that.

No special DBA or anything else required here.


Jim.
-  Received message begins Here  -

 
 On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:
 
  In your email to me, Dale Scheetz, you wrote:
  [clip]
   
   In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line
   is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this
   is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't
   the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do
   we need to do to get to that point?
  
  In most states, you have to file for at least a DBA, and be able to
  take that to the bank to open a commercial account. THe only problem
  with that is the suck more out of a commercial account than a personal
  one.. And who is going to document where the money goes? I personally
  don't care abotu the details, but *someone* is going to demand an
  accounting someday. I think Bruce has enough to do right now..
 
 I agree both that someone will need to perform this task, and that Bruce
 should not be encombered with such responsibilities, he does more than
 enough already.
 Sounds like one of the early responsibilities for the BOD will be to
 appoint/adopt a Treasurer for the organization.
 Rather than a DBA I was hoping that someone might know how their local LUG
 or other clubs deal with the issue of money management.
 We will obviously need some volunteer effort to make this happen, so get
 your excuses all lined up ;-) but let us know what the alternatives are.
 
  
  
   P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future
   montary problems could be solved by small donations from the developers.
   I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough
   times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600
   dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade
   shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional
   material.
  
  I'd gladly personally send $10-$20 now, and have our fledgling ISP
  send in $50-100, because we're running Debian..
  
 Good to know that others are willing to contribute. We need to understand
 what our necessary budget is like before we just throw money at the
 problem. And, of course, we first need a place to sent our monetary
 contributions.
 
 Luck,
 
 Dwarf
 
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RE: Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

 I've been meaning to look at fortune to see whether it can easily handle
 or be adapted to handle different databases of fortune cookies - such as
 tips. I'm running low on free time just now, so does anyone have the

Don't know about fortune... it is a simple program to write though...
The below one prints a random cookie from a text file, in which the
cookies are separated by a blank space. I use it to print a random
Linux Cookie upon login and when someone views my Linux WWW Page
at http://es.matematik.su.se/~p96job/linux.html.
Takes its input from standard in, like in cook  cookiefile.txt.
Does only 1 pass though file, so it need not be seekable.
Feel free to find bugs... I have limited C skills...

-- cook.c --[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--

#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#define LF 10
 
void main() {
  char c;
  unsigned char skriv = 1;
  unsigned int nr = 1;
  unsigned int i = 0;
  char s[1024];
 
  srandom(time(0) + getpid());
  while ( (c=getc(stdin)) != EOF ) {
if (skriv)
  s[i++] = c;
if (c == LF) {
  c = getc(stdin);
  while ( (c == 32) || (c == 9) )
c = getc(stdin);
  if (c == LF) {
if (random() % ++nr)
  skriv = 0;
else {
  skriv = 1;
  i = 0;
}
  }
  else if (skriv)
s[i++] = c;
}
  }
  s[i] = 0;
  printf(%s, s);
}

-- cook.c --[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--[ cut ]--

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Two unrelated problems with cron

1997-01-22 Thread Kevin McEnhill
Howdy,

A few weeks ago I moved /home to an NFS mounted drive to free up space on
my local drive. Now, I get this message mailed to me every morning.



Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh
X-Cron-Env:
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root
X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root

find: /home/kevinm: Permission denied



I also have a problem with permissions in this directory depending on which
machine I am on. My Debian box is called 'pc13' (the network people won't
let me change it 8-( ) and the machine that has my NFS drive is 'rocalpha'.
Now, if I create a directory from rocalpha in my home directory, I can't
move or delete those directories from pc13. It does the same thing from the
other direction. If I do an 'ls -l' on this directory from either machine,
instead of listing me as the owner, I get a number (I assume this is the
user id) as the owner for foreign files. I think these two things are
related but I don't where to look.

The other problem I have is in updating cron. I downloaded
cron_3.0pl1-38.deb from ftp.debian.org and used 'dpkg --install'. Well dpkg
crashes with the following message.



bash# dpkg --pending --configure
Setting up cron (3.0pl1-38) ...
/usr/sbin/cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 5014: Try
again
dpkg: error processing cron (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 cron
bash# 

-

Now what do I do? I took a look at /var/run/crond.pid and it did contain
5014. Is there a way to look at the scripts from a package? The only thing
I can think of is that crond is not being stopped when dpkg tries to
replace it. 

Sorry for the long post but I'm really stuck on these.



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Matt Kracht wrote:
 If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try
 sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime.

You can still run all that cool stuff under Debian.

 I just found out that my Debian system
 compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone
 thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc.  I
 have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!)
 packages, either.  This is ridiculous.  Under Slackware, when I want
 S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it.

Library dependencies and variations in configuration are a problem with 
any system.  Debian offers the potential to solve a lot of the problems.
It's not perfect, but it's constantly getting better.

 I don't know.  Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian.  I
 like to run the latest stuff.  Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest,
 most stable software.  I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and
 not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually
 administer a UNIX system...  

Indeed you may not be in the right mindset.  If you have the time and the
inclination to compile and configure everything yourself, you don't need
any kind of package management system.

There will always be users who get great satisfaction from getting the 
system to work - the joy is in the seeking, not the finding and all
that.  I, however, don't need to be on the bleeding edge for everything.
There are a few packages that are vital to my work and I do ftp the latest
sources and compile them myself.  The rest is just a platform - the less
time I have to spend getting it working the more time I have for my real 
job.  That's why I like Debian.

 Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning,
 changing industry standards without notice, etc.

These I would consider bugs.  If you think 

Getting cron.daily to start sooner?

1997-01-22 Thread Chad Zimmerman

Is there a way that I can get cron.daily to start running it's processes
before 12am?  I have a program in there that needs to run before the new
day starts so that is can get the correct data.

Any ideas?

Chad


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Re: Tips

1997-01-22 Thread Behan Webster
 from a quick look, it seems that the format is pretty easy. There is a pair
 of files, the source where all fortunes are just separated by a % sign and
 a data file with the info for the files that is automatically created from the
 former by strfile(8). It seems to be pretty straightforward. (But this was 
 just
 a quick look...)

This is exactly how it works.  I maintain a fortune file here at my
company of funny things that people have said during our meetings over
the
years.  Every day when people login, they get a random funny quote. 
Does
this ever bring back memories (good ones that is)  8)  The fortune
program
is great for this!

Just to be really clear, here's an example of how to use fortune:

bash$ cat  foobar
fortune 1
%
fortune 2
%
fortune 3
^D
bash$ /usr/sbin/strfile -rs foobar
bash$ fortune foobar
fortune 1
bash$ fortune foobar
fortune 3
bash$ fortune .
fortune 2
bash$

Note that you can give an explicit filename to fortune(1) or just give
a directory that contains several fortune files.  Alternatively you
can put the file in /usr/share/games/fortunes which is the default
place fortune(1) looks for fortune files.

I hope this helps.

Behan

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Re: gcc cc1

1997-01-22 Thread Brian C. White
 My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error
 message is:
   'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory'
 Any clues/hints?

Try running the gcc command line with -v.  This should tell you what
program it cannot find.
 
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CD Rom writers

1997-01-22 Thread Tim Sailer
Has anyone had any experience with the Yamaha 102 Writer? Currently we
have the HP one, and are not very happy with it. What writers are
people using?

Tim

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Anyone know of a way to generate PDF without Adobe?

1997-01-22 Thread JD Thomlinson
Does anyone know of a program, Debian or not, that will 
generate PDF files from ASCII, PS or HTML? 

I remember hearing of one, but I havn't been able to track 
it down.

Thanks in Advance, JohnT

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Re: Bash Function File

1997-01-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
I use a bash function file /usr/local/bash_functions. In the
/etc/profile file there is a statement source
/usr/local/bash_functions. I can normally use the bash fuctions when I
am in my /home/user directory but when I do an su I can no longer use
the bash_functions without resourcing them. This is very inconvenient.
What can I do so they stay sourced whether I am /home/user $ or su #? Is
there some place to put a source statement which will do the job? I have
tried source statements in /home/user and /root .bash_profile files as
well. Another of life's little mysteries.

If you look at the documentation for both su and bash you will find your
problem: su by default does not start a login shell. This means that bash
does not look in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile. Instead you need to add
things to ~/.bashrc. Alternatively, using su with a - option will cause it
to start a login shell so your normal profile will be read.

bash(1):

   Login shells:
 On login (subject to the -noprofile option):
   if /etc/profile exists, source it.

   if ~/.bash_profile exists, source it,
 else if ~/.bash_login exists, source it,
   else if ~/.profile exists, source it.

 On exit:
   if ~/.bash_logout exists, source it.

   Non-login interactive shells:
 On startup (subject to the -norc and -rcfile options):
   if ~/.bashrc exists, source it.


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Re: PostScript without PS printers

1997-01-22 Thread Brian C. White
 I now have my printer (Canon BJC-4100) working under Debian.  It was
 really easy; only one tricky part.

We're running an HP-850C as a network printer using the cdj550
driver of ghostscript.  Works great!

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Re: Getting cron.daily to start sooner?

1997-01-22 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Chad --
You asked:
 
 Is there a way that I can get cron.daily to start running it's processes
 before 12am?  I have a program in there that needs to run before the new
 day starts so that is can get the correct data.

The system crontab uses a file /etc/crontab.  This is to be distinguished
from any particular user's crontab; users' crontab files are
in /var/spool/cron/crontabs.  The difference between the system crontab
file and users' crontab files are mentioned in the man page for cron.

So just edit the file: /etc/crontab
The first two values on each non-commented line are 
(1) the minute after the hour when a command runs, and
(2) the hour when the command runs.

The details of the format of the system crontab file and other crontab
files can be reviewed by executing:
   man 5 crontab

Hope that helps.
Susan Kleinmann


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Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?

1997-01-22 Thread Orn E. Hansen
Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Even simpler is to change the pine editor to vim, and enable vim's
 digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in
 ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters.
 
 E.g. e-acute is ^Ve'.
 
Sorry, but this is wrong... but please read on.

Through the decades we've had problems with things of this kind, so please
scratch methods of this nature.  This method is non-standard... and its
existance is pre-historic :-) If somebody needs to enter accented characters,
(s)he is more than likely to need them in more places then just this 'vim'
session, so a more permanent solution is needed (and 'wim' has no problem
accepting the standard accented shortcuts).

The entrance of an accented character *IS* keyboard specific... and should
remain that way... accented characters are characters with an acute, and
an acute is a part of the ISO character set... a dead-acute is a part of
the ISO too.  This means, you enter dead_acute+a to get 'á' or `+a=à, 
or ^+a=â, or ¨+a=ä...

Entering ISO characters is keyboard specific, if a package has a problem
accepting ISO-8859-1/2 character set, then please say so... a solution should
be reached to have the package accept the character set (I think somebody
posted a way to have pine accept iso character set here).

Somebody is probably going to say, hey! what's wrong with ^Ve' well, for
one it is CTRL-V+e+APASTROPHE... and comes from the time when the character
set didn't have an acute... it does now.  Back then, the only locale was the
C locale, which had the built-in ctype array, which only mapped 7-bit ascii
and going around it, required some work around... today you can get the full
8-bit ctype array locale specific iso-whatever with 'setlocale(CATEGORY,)'.
The point is, one should minimize the need of different keystrokes with many
different packages... so, the key-binding specifies which keystrokes give the
accented character, and the package accepts it by accepting the character
set given by the locale...

hope that made some sense... :-)

Someone with (a)cute ears ;-)


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Re: Getting cron.daily to start sooner?

1997-01-22 Thread Philippe Troin

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:01:13 MST Chad Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
du) wrote:

 Is there a way that I can get cron.daily to start running it's processes
 before 12am?  I have a program in there that needs to run before the new
 day starts so that is can get the correct data.

Change the master crontab file in /etc/crontab (this file is different than 
root's regular crontab that can be edited with crontab -e). And maybe read the 
crontab(1) manpage.

Phil.



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Cant get kernel-package!

1997-01-22 Thread Kendrick Myatt
when I use dselect to try and get kernel-package, i get into an infinite
loop with dependencies on packages perl and libc5.  I + them and they get *,
but when I enter, I go back to dependencies and there they are again, still
showing *!

I X'd back and tried again from start, chose ftp, looked at packages,
kernel-package was STILL selected, and I STILL got into the same boat when i
tried to continue.  Trying to purge those two packages was the bright idea I
had, but I soon realized I would have to remove most of my system once the
dependencies were ruled out :(

I'm trying again to see if I can get kernel-package and it's 3 dependencies
(the source and that other thing...) then I Q'd on the perl...

*sigh* Now it's downloading all kinds of packages I didn't ask for, cron3.0,
perl5.003, dpkg1.4, etc...

What did I screw up, and is there some way to globally reset dselect, as I
believe I have done something to really confuse it :(

Thanks for any help.. I'll keep working on this end :)

Regards,

Kendrick


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Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs

1997-01-22 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dale Scheetz, you wrote:
[clip]
 
 In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line
 is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this
 is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't
 the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do
 we need to do to get to that point?

In most states, you have to file for at least a DBA, and be able to
take that to the bank to open a commercial account. THe only problem
with that is the suck more out of a commercial account than a personal
one.. And who is going to document where the money goes? I personally
don't care abotu the details, but *someone* is going to demand an
accounting someday. I think Bruce has enough to do right now..


 P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future
 montary problems could be solved by small donations from the developers.
 I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough
 times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600
 dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade
 shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional
 material.

I'd gladly personally send $10-$20 now, and have our fledgling ISP
send in $50-100, because we're running Debian..

Tim

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Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?

1997-01-22 Thread Ted Harding
( Re Message From: Martin Alonso Soto Jacome )
 
 Hi Carlos:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  How is it possible to type accents in a mail msg. composed with pine? 
  I saw no mention of 8bit composing in the man page, docs and config 
  files. 
 
 Is far as I know, there's no way to type accents with pine's built in editor. 
  
 I guess you have to use an external editor like emacs, for example.  It does 
 a 
 prety good job with accents, but may be quite slow to start up.
 
 Regards,
 
 M. S.
 
 Martin A. Soto J.   Profesor

Even simpler is to change the pine editor to vim, and enable vim's
digraph support. Then you can enter all the accented charracters in
ISO-8859-1 by typing Ctrl-V followed by two other characaters.

E.g. e-acute is ^Ve'.

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New modem question

1997-01-22 Thread John
I'm looking to buy a new modem for Linux only, because my other modem is an
IBM MWave, which will not work. I can get a 14.4 US Robotics Courier HST/PC
for PC  Bus compatible MS-Dos systems.  Will this work?  I just want to
figure out how to set one up, as a learning experience, and I can get this
modem for $50.


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Re: Debian logo submissions

1997-01-22 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Casper BodenCummins, you wrote:
 
 A friend of mine has donated a logo to the Debian project for
 consideration. It's sketchy, but we think the idea has some potential.
 Only thing is, where do we send it?
 
 If anyone's interested, there's a copy at
 www.wollery.demon.co.uk/penguin.gif.

That is quite good! It sticks with Linus' penguin theme, and is clean,
simple, and scalable! Is there are high res source available?

Tim

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Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs

1997-01-22 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:

 In your email to me, Dale Scheetz, you wrote:
 [clip]
  
  In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line
  is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this
  is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't
  the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do
  we need to do to get to that point?
 
 In most states, you have to file for at least a DBA, and be able to
 take that to the bank to open a commercial account. THe only problem
 with that is the suck more out of a commercial account than a personal
 one.. And who is going to document where the money goes? I personally
 don't care abotu the details, but *someone* is going to demand an
 accounting someday. I think Bruce has enough to do right now..

I agree both that someone will need to perform this task, and that Bruce
should not be encombered with such responsibilities, he does more than
enough already.
Sounds like one of the early responsibilities for the BOD will be to
appoint/adopt a Treasurer for the organization.
Rather than a DBA I was hoping that someone might know how their local LUG
or other clubs deal with the issue of money management.
We will obviously need some volunteer effort to make this happen, so get
your excuses all lined up ;-) but let us know what the alternatives are.

 
 
  P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future
  montary problems could be solved by small donations from the developers.
  I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough
  times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600
  dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade
  shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional
  material.
 
 I'd gladly personally send $10-$20 now, and have our fledgling ISP
 send in $50-100, because we're running Debian..
 
Good to know that others are willing to contribute. We need to understand
what our necessary budget is like before we just throw money at the
problem. And, of course, we first need a place to sent our monetary
contributions.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: Please, let us end the misery.

1997-01-22 Thread * ESGER *
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:

[snip]
 I propose that a Debian-list Do's-And-Don'ts be constructed and
 sent to everyone when they first sign on the list. Sort of like
 netiquette but more towards help with common problems we see here.
 There should be something like before you send a post to the
 list, make sure you gather all relevant information regarding 
 your problem, e.g. configuration files, error logs, command lines.

ok, of course your right but (grin there is always a but isn't it?)
the problem for many I think (certainly for me) is to gather just that 
relevant info. If you're a new user you don't know your way around yet so 
you don't know where to find logs, config files, yes even command lines 
(last one if it's run through script's you don't find)

so if people state their problem and you think (or know) there is not 
enough info to help them, tell them where and how to find the info you'd 
need. It'll help every newbie when you do so!

certainly don't start getting sarcastic, remember when you first started 
messing around with a new system (and not only linux!)

 In particular check the man page (i.e. type 'man program-name')
 to find out if the program you're having trouble with produces
 (or can produce debugging information and where what file it goes
 to and so on, and so on. It will probably need a short ditty on
 how syslog works. And of course, it should mention that people
 should check the bug list. BTW, where is the freakin' bug list?



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weird su behavior

1997-01-22 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Hi,

recently I've been having problems going into root...

When I do a 'su' and type in the passwd, it kicks me out with a Broken pipe
When this is happening, I also can't telnet into the machine; the telnet
session gets closed.

What could be causing this?

Where could I look to diagnose the problem? (nothing unusual is showing up
in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog).

TIA
Ricardo


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Re: Accents in pine

1997-01-22 Thread Carlos Carvalho
Orn Hansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 21 January 1997 20:17:
 Now, this is pine and áéíóúý come out just fine, within the built in
 editor... 

Beautiful, but where did you find the áéí? They're not on our
keyboards... What I want is to be able to type 'a and get an á.

Carlos


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Test to see if smail works

1997-01-22 Thread Adam Heath
Ignore me please.  Txs.



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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.

1997-01-22 Thread Matt Kracht


On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, John Goerzen wrote:

  I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced
  to a standard set of core applications that will make up the offical
 
 I *very strongly* disagree.  One of the things that brought me to Debian in 
 the first place, and kept me here despite some problems with the 1.2 release, 
 is the tremendous amount of available software.

If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try 
sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime.

I'm seriously thinking of going back to slackware.  I've searched 
ftp.debian.org for bash 2.0, the 2.1.x kernel, and other recent software, 
but they're nowhere to be found.  I just found out that my Debian system 
compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone 
thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc.  I 
have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) 
packages, either.  This is ridiculous.  Under Slackware, when I want 
S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it.  
Debian gives me several packages to choose from, which, it turns out, are 
all required.  Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something 
weird.  Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it.  So, I go to the S-LANG home 
page and get the real source and compile it.  Lynx compiles fine.  Why 
was I recompiling Lynx?  Because the guy who compiled that screwed it 
up!  My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like.  
All this effort could have gone towards making my old Slackware system 
more usuable than my current Debian system!

I don't know.  Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian.  I 
like to run the latest stuff.  Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, 
most stable software.  I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and 
not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually 
administer a UNIX system...  I feel like I'm running Windows 95.  
Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, 
changing industry standards without notice, etc.

Ugh.


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JDK not working

1997-01-22 Thread Martin Alonso Soto Jacome
Hello:

I have just installed version 1.0.2-3 of jdk-common and jdk-static from 
non-free.  However, when I try to run the java executables, all I get is,

naoma: ~$ java
java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
naoma: ~$ jdb
java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
naoma: ~$ javac
java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java

Any clues on what the problem may be?

Thanks a lot,

M. S.

Martin A. Soto J.   Profesor
Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion
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Re: Networking problems

1997-01-22 Thread Kendrick Myatt
At 04:28 PM 1/20/97 +, Karsten Bolding wrote:
Hi

I have problems networking, below I've listed output from relevant programs
but when I ftp or telnet or rlogin the system fails. ftp just hangs and the
2 other comes with a no route error

Any help would be appreciated since I can't get any further installing the
system (I've installed the base system from disk and wan't to use the ftp
method in dselect).
###
I've been there.. it's a frustrating state to be in...

Karsten

PS: I've tried using the IP-address directly, so it's not a resolver problem.

ifconfig:
loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3584  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0

eth0  Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:20:AF:C8:2F:71
  inet addr:130.226.145.156  Bcast:130.226.145.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
  TX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
  Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 

Just looking at you IP address and netmask, they look wrong. 130.226.145.156
is a Class B address, and you are using a Class C Netmask.  It looks like
that is a valid ip address since it belongs to the Danish Network for
Research and Education, and you are in  .dk domain, so check with your
system admin and see if your netmask is not supposed to be 255.255.0.0.  Or
some weird subnet :)
Looks like they are using the whole thing, though, from the address of your
main router being .1 as it is below...

route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
localnet*   255.255.255.0   U 0  01 eth0
127.0.0.0   *   255.0.0.0   U 0  00 lo
default 130.226.145.1   0.0.0.0 UG1  00 eth0

That's all I can see from here, so if that doesn't help maybe some
networking god or goddess on the list can shed some more light on the subject :)

Regards,

Kendrick


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mail: deliver error

1997-01-22 Thread Bennett Brown

I just installed Debian and am having a problem with sendmail.   Messages
to the machine are returned with the following error:

deliver: error writing to header file /tmp/dl.b15609
deliver: error writing to body file /tmp/dl.c15609

Although I'm embarrassed to admit it, I made the terrible mistake of
executing chown -R root. . as root while in /etc .  I think this is the
source of the problem, though I'm not sure.  

1. Could someone send me a file listing of their /etc directory so I can
correct the file ownerships?

2. Any suggestions for the mail delivery problem?

Bennett Brown


gcc cc1

1997-01-22 Thread Richard Sevenich
My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error
message is:
  'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory'
Any clues/hints?
Richard


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[LinuxISP-BR] FreeBSD Security Advisory: SA-96:21 - talkd (fwd)

1997-01-22 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Just got this cert advisory... it's for talkd, and although from the
FreeBSD advisory, applies to most talkd's...

Will debian fix its talkd so we can reinstall a package?

Ricardo

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:00:05 -0200
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Subject: [LinuxISP-BR] FreeBSD Security Advisory: SA-96:21 - talkd


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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:38:57 -0600
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Subject: BoS:   FreeBSD Security Advisory: SA-96:21 - talkd
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FreeBSD-SA-96:21Security Advisory
FreeBSD, Inc.

Topic:  unauthorized access via buffer overrun in talkd

Category:   core
Module: talkd
Announced:  1997-01-18
Affects:1.0, 1.1, 2.1.0, 2.1.5, 2.1.6, 2.1.6.1
Corrected:  2.2-current as of 1997-01-18
2.1-stable  as of 1197-01-18
FreeBSD only:   no

Patches:ftp://freebsd.org/pub/CERT/patches/SA-96:21/
References: AUSCERT AA-97.01 (Australian CERT organization),
SEI CERT VU#5942 (internal tracking reference only)

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I.   Background

 Buffer overrun (aka stack overflow) exploits in system
 supplied and locally installed utilities are commonly
 used by individuals wishing to obtain unauthorized access to
 computer systems.  The FreeBSD team has been reviewing and
 fixing the source code pool to eliminate potential exploits
 based on this technique.

 Recently, the Australian CERT organization received information
 of a buffer-overrun vulnerability in the talkd daemon shipped in
 most modern BSD based systems.


II.  Problem Description

 To quote AUSCERT:

talk is a communication program which copies text from one
users terminal to that of another, possibly remote, user.
talkd is the daemon that notifies a user that someone else wishes
to initiate a conversation.

As part of the talk connection, talkd does a DNS lookup
for the hostname of the host where the connection is being
initiating from.  Due to insufficient bounds checking on
the buffer where the hostname is stored, it is possible to
overwrite the internal stack space of talkd.  By carefully
manipulating the hostname information, it is possible to
force talkd to execute arbitrary commands.  As talkd runs
with root privileges, this may allow intruders to remotely
execute arbitrary commands with these privileges.

This attack requires an intruder to be able to make a
network connection to a vulnerable talkd program and provide
corrupt DNS information to that host.

This type of attack is a particular instance of the problem
described in CERT advisory CA-96.04 Corrupt Information
from Network Servers.  This advisory is available from:

ftp://info.cert.org/pub/cert_advisories/

 Recent versions of FreeBSD 2.2 -current may not be affected
 with this vulnerability due to improved security in
 new versions of BIND, which sanity-check the results of
 reverse name lookups performed by the DNS system.


III. Impact


 Intruders may be able to remotely execute arbitrary commands
 with root privileges.

 Access to a valid user account on the local system is not
 required.


IV. Workaround

 Disable the ntalkd program found in /etc/inetd.conf by
 commenting the appropriate line out and reconfiguring inetd.

 # grep -i ntalk /etc/inetd.conf
 ntalk   dgram   udp waitroot/usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd

 After editing /etc/inetd.conf, reconfigure inetd by sending
 it a HUP signal.

 # kill -HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pid`

V. Solution

 The patches found at the following URL fix this vulnerability.
 Patches are available for FreeBSD 2.1.x (-stable) and -current.

 Acknowledgment:

 These patches were based off of published work provided by
 BSDI, Inc.

 After applying these patches, recompile and re-install the
 affected utilities.

 For FreeBSD -current (2.2 prerelease and 3.0 prerelease)
 systems:

Index: announce.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/freebsd/src/libexec/talkd/announce.c,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 announce.c
--- announce.c  1997/01/14 06:20:58 1.6
+++ announce.c  1997/01/18 08:27:04
@@ -34,7 +34,7 @@
  */

 #ifndef lint
-static char sccsid[] = @(#)announce.c 8.2 

Re: Making kernel using make install

1997-01-22 Thread Kendrick Myatt
At 12:08 AM 1/19/97 +0100, Thomas Baetzler wrote:
Victor Torrico wrote:
 
 When making a kernel 2.0.27 I do the following:
[clumsy procedure deleted]

Actually, on Debian it´s so much nicer to install the kernel-package
package.
Then you cd to the linux source, make mrproper and make config just
once, and then you can always rebuild your kernel by running
make-kpkg binary. This´ll give you a new kernel package that contains
all you need. dpkg --install it, and so even your Debian system knows 
which kernel you´re using. 
###
Okay, I did this and waited a little over an hour for it to get all
through and am ready for the dpkg --install part, but I don't have a
package called kernel-package.anything anymore, so what package am I
installing

Regards,

Kendrick


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Re: gcc cc1

1997-01-22 Thread Richard Sevenich
The problem I reported earlier was repaired by
dpkg -r gnat
suggesting that gnat (Ada compiler not 'gnats') is the source
of the problem.

Richard


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stack trace

1997-01-22 Thread Timothy Phan
Hi All,

  I do not really know where to post this.  I'll give myself
  to shot to post here.  Please reply via private email unless
  someone else is intereted.

  I'd like to know, in a c/C++ program, how to get the call stack
  trace just like in the dbx, do a where will show all calling
  functions!

  Thanks!
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Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?

1997-01-22 Thread Stephen Zander
Todd Graham Lewis wrote:
 Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature.  killall(1).  I f*cking _love_
 killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems.
 8^)


Nice try, but wrong again. That's a SVR4 feature :)

From my Solaris man page...

killall(1M)   Maintenance Commandskillall(1M)
 
NAME
 killall - kill all active processes
 
SYNOPSIS
 /usr/sbin/killall [ signal ]
 
AVAILABILITY
 SUNWcsu
 
DESCRIPTION
 killall is used by shutdown(1M) to kill all active processes
 not directly related to the shutdown procedure.
 
 killall terminates all processes with open files so that the
 mounted file systems will be unbusied and can be unmounted.
 
 killall sends signal (see kill(1)) to the active  processes.
 If no signal is specified, a default of 15 is used.



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The CD Issue

1997-01-22 Thread Brian C. White
I'm just coming into this conversation, so please forgive me while I
get up to speed on this...

As I understand it, Bruce proposed...

 - Debian would have an specific ultra-stable CD image that anybody
   could use.

 - Debian would have an Official logo which it would let people put
   on their CDs if they would sign a contract stating they would give
   $2 of the sale of each CD to Debian.

 - A 1-900 help line where people could call for official Debian support.


In response, people said...

 - Debian was becoming Microsoft

 - Debian had abandoned the free software idea

Come on, guys!  These are just low blows and don't have any weight
behind them.

Bruce's proposal has a lot of merit!  Even the FSF _charges_ for its
CDs, tapes, and manuals.  As somebody else said, non-profit does not
mean non-income.

Debian is committed to making a high-quality Linux distribution.  It's
not commited to public charity.  Even the GPL says you can charge anything
you want for the software.  You just can't restrict further distribution
of that code.

Bruce, you have my total support for this proposal.  I'm sorry I was
not in touch enough to give you the support when you really needed it.
 
  Brian
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Re: Cant get kernel-package!

1997-01-22 Thread Scott Stanley
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote:

 when I use dselect to try and get kernel-package, i get into an infinite
 loop with dependencies on packages perl and libc5.  I + them and they get *,
 but when I enter, I go back to dependencies and there they are again, still
 showing *!
 
 I X'd back and tried again from start, chose ftp, looked at packages,
 kernel-package was STILL selected, and I STILL got into the same boat when i
 tried to continue.  Trying to purge those two packages was the bright idea I
 had, but I soon realized I would have to remove most of my system once the
 dependencies were ruled out :(
 
 I'm trying again to see if I can get kernel-package and it's 3 dependencies
 (the source and that other thing...) then I Q'd on the perl...
 
 *sigh* Now it's downloading all kinds of packages I didn't ask for, cron3.0,
 perl5.003, dpkg1.4, etc...


 I know it is probably just that I was not used to dselect, but I have
had this type thing happen quite a bit myself.  Would it make sense to add
an option to dselect which allows you to list out all of the pending
installations/removals of packages before actually going through the
process.  I don't have this happen as much anymore, but I sure did in the
beginning... 

Scott S.

 
 What did I screw up, and is there some way to globally reset dselect, as I
 believe I have done something to really confuse it :(
 
 Thanks for any help.. I'll keep working on this end :)
 
 Regards,
 
 Kendrick
 
 
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NEVERMIND Re: tty1 locked up

1997-01-22 Thread Kendrick Myatt
Nevermind. 
I'm a moron.
I'm going home now...

-Kendrick


At 12:01 PM 1/21/97 -0600, Kendrick Myatt wrote:
I was editing something in Pico the other day and someone did a
boarding-house reach across my keyboard to get something.  In the process
they bumped their elbow on the keyboard a couple of times and hit *some*
combination of keys that locked up the F1 virtual console.  So I went to F2...

I kill -9 the pico -- nothing.  Killed the login session -- nothing.  So I
am stuck on F2 for now, I guess reboot *shrug*  I see nothing but my current
session for root and nothing about tty1 at all...

If I just knew the keystrokes, it would be a good security script *grin*

Just curious if anyone else has had this happen...

Think I'll rebuild my kernel before I reboot.. hmmm... :)

Regards,

Kendrick


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HELP!!! X-Windows is dead!

1997-01-22 Thread Dany Dionne
Hi,
If i try to go in X, i receive the error message:

X: exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64  failed
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2
_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect : Can't connect : errno = 2
giving up
xinit : No such file or directory (errno2 ): unable to connect to Xserver
xinit : No such process (errno 3): Server error.

This problem appear after a reboot.

Please, help me!!

Dany Dionne 
Physics Department
Universite Laval



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Re: Debian logo submissions

1997-01-22 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:

 In your email to me, Casper BodenCummins, you wrote:
  
  A friend of mine has donated a logo to the Debian project for
  consideration. It's sketchy, but we think the idea has some potential.
  Only thing is, where do we send it?
  
  If anyone's interested, there's a copy at
  www.wollery.demon.co.uk/penguin.gif.
 
 That is quite good! It sticks with Linus' penguin theme, and is clean,
 simple, and scalable! Is there are high res source available?
 
 Tim

Definitely!  This is the best logo I've seen so far!  Please
visit the debian logo page (available from debian's home page)
and fing out how to submit this!

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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dpkg architecture

1997-01-22 Thread Jesse Goldman
Hiya,

I just noticed that the dpkg--print-architecture command gives me back
i386 while I'd guess, since I have a PPro, it should say i686. This
is, in fact, what uname gives me. Is i386 used here to mean intel
machines generally? Reason I wondered is that the debian kernel rules file
seems to call the dpkg architecture command and not the system one.

Thanks,

Jesse Goldman


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Debian review in Linux Journal

1997-01-22 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi,

I'd like to know if someone can give me a link to a place where I can read
the Debian review made by the Linux Journal staff in their November 1996
issue.

From www.debian.org I thought the review was in September's issue so I
order the back issue and sadly found out that in that issue there was
just a distribution comparisson.

Thanks in advance.

E.-

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Re: Donations to the Debian project

1997-01-22 Thread David Puryear
Hi,

Bruce Perens wrote:
 
 A number of people have asked how to make donations to the Debian project.
 We will not accept any until after we have elected a board of directors.
 The reason for this is that we have no treasurer at present, and it's up
 to the BOD to elect one. The developers will elect their board later this
 week.

Has anyone looked into taxes? How is Debian setup? Is there offical
paper(in the eyes of fed./state/country)?

Just wondering,
David



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Re: Donations to the Debian project

1997-01-22 Thread Bruce Perens
 Has anyone looked into taxes? How is Debian setup? Is there offical
 paper(in the eyes of fed./state/country)?

We've looked, but little has been done. We have a treasurer volunteer (Bruce
said, breathing a great sigh of relief that he would not be stuck with
the job).

Thanks

Bruce


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SOLUTION to HELP with X and problem with PEX and XIE

1997-01-22 Thread Dany Dionne
Hi,
I found the problem, its a bug in the script xf86config. It wrote some bad
lines in my XF86Config in the mouse pointer section.
But, before i found that, i uninstall X-windows and reinstall it.
The problem is with PEX and XIE extenions, they are not loaded. What can i
do?

Thanks 

Dany


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problems with cron and caldera wordperfect

1997-01-22 Thread Miro Torrielli
Greets,
There seems to be a problem with cron.. it doesn't work.. all the crontabs
I have installed don't run, and the system ones don't either.
Also, I cannot get caldera wordperfect to run, it almost seg faults.. as
does star office for that matter.. any clues?

Thanx,
Miro



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Re: Duplicate files in man directories

1997-01-22 Thread Vociferous Mole
On Jan 20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Torrico) wrote:
 I have a large number of duplicate files in various man directories. The
 duplicates all have one date when I do an ls -l within a directory. What
 must I do to remove the files with this date without removing the other
 files in the directory? Can I use grep in conjunction with some other
 command? The file dates look like Aug 12 for example. There are too
 many of them to rm one at a time. As you can tell I am not a unix
 wizard. Little by little though I'm learning. Really enjoy Debian
 because you learn so much while using it.

The short is look at the man page for find, and that's good
advice anyway, because 'find' is a wonderful tool.

On the otherhand, what do you mean by duplicate files? You should
be aware that /usr/man/man1/crontab.1 is not the same as
/usr/man/man5/crontab.5. Also, /usr/man/man1/crontab.1 is not the
same as /var/catman/cat1/crontab.1.

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RE: JDK not working

1997-01-22 Thread J. Ramos Goncalves

On 21-Jan-97 Martin Alonso Soto Jacome wrote:
Hello:

I have just installed version 1.0.2-3 of jdk-common and jdk-static from 
non-free.  However, when I try to run the java executables, all I get is,

naoma: ~$ java
java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
naoma: ~$ jdb
java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java
naoma: ~$ javac
java was not found in /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java

Any clues on what the problem may be?

Thanks a lot,

M. S.

Hi,

I solved this problem by doing

ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/lib/jdk/i586/bin/java

I hope this helps!

Ramos.

P.S.: Look for the java binary (The above symbolic
link will work if it is in /usr/bin; I cannot assure you
of this because I do not have jdk installed at this
moment).

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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.

1997-01-22 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Matt Kracht, you wrote:
 On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, John Goerzen wrote:
 
   I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced
   to a standard set of core applications that will make up the offical
  
  I *very strongly* disagree.  One of the things that brought me to Debian in 
  the first place, and kept me here despite some problems with the 1.2 
  release, 
  is the tremendous amount of available software.
 
 If you think Debian has a tremendous amount of software, you should try 
 sunsite.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu sometime.

Yeah, so whats your point? A major ftp site is not a Linux distribution...

 I'm seriously thinking of going back to slackware.  I've searched 
 ftp.debian.org for bash 2.0, the 2.1.x kernel, and other recent software, 
 but they're nowhere to be found.  I just found out that my Debian system 

I'd be very surprised if Slackware has them either... 

 compiled Linux 2.1.21 with the 2.0.27 kernel headers because someone 

Wrong!! Every recent (2.x.x) kernel uses its own includes, and
not /usr/include. You should check the source before making statements
like this.

 thought it was a good idea to fuck with the Linux kernel and libc.  I 
 have no idea whose idea it was split every library into two (or more!) 
 packages, either.  This is ridiculous.  Under Slackware, when I want 
 S-LANG, I go to S-LANG home page and ftp it, compile it, and install it.  
 Debian gives me several packages to choose from, which, it turns out, are 
 all required.  Then I find out that the guy who compiled it did something 
 weird.  Lynx 2.6 doesn't compile with it.  So, I go to the S-LANG home 
 page and get the real source and compile it.  Lynx compiles fine.  Why 
 was I recompiling Lynx?  Because the guy who compiled that screwed it 
 up!  My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems like.  
 All this effort could have gone towards making my old Slackware system 
 more usuable than my current Debian system!

Really? You just said the even under Slackware, you have to go to
the ftp site and get it and compile it! Did you install the slang package?

 I don't know.  Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for Debian.  I 
 like to run the latest stuff.  Debian offers, it seems, only the oldest, 
 most stable software.  I just don't see why anyone would run Linux and 

Show me any major distribution that is running bleeding edge stuff.
The poing of having a 'distribution' is to have a stable suite
of programs.

 not want to compile software, be on bleeding edge, and actually 
 administer a UNIX system...  I feel like I'm running Windows 95.  

Obviously, you never administered a high-availablilty multiuser
machine... just your little hacker playtoy machine. Try explaining
to 200-300 users that you'll be down for a few hours because you
installed some new software, and broke the system.

 Unconfigurable software with horrid defaults, plain bad planning, 
 changing industry standards without notice, etc.

If you don't like change, let me send you, free of charge, a full
DOS 6.22 package. The nature of linux is change.

Tim

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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.

1997-01-22 Thread Chow Chi-Ming
 Matt == Matt Kracht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Matt Debian gives me several packages to choose from,
Matt which, it turns out, are all required.  Then I find out that the
Matt guy who compiled it did something weird.  Lynx 2.6 doesn't
Matt compile with it.  So, I go to the S-LANG home page and get the
Matt real source and compile it.  Lynx compiles fine.  Why was I
Matt recompiling Lynx?  Because the guy who compiled that screwed it
Matt up!  My God, I've recompiled half the Debian packages, it seems
Matt like.  All this effort could have gone towards making my old
Matt Slackware system more usuable than my current Debian system!

Instead of just whining, why don't you tell us what these problems are
so that we could improve on them.  Why don't you contribute more to
the project to make debian a better system?  I am sure debian can use
your expertise.  After all, we are all volunteers.

Matt I don't know.  Maybe I'm just not in the correct mindset for
Matt Debian.  I like to run the latest stuff.  Debian offers, it
Matt seems, only the oldest, most stable software.  I just don't see
Matt why anyone would run Linux and not want to compile software, be
Matt on bleeding edge, and actually administer a UNIX system...  I

I, for one, use debian for my real work and don't want to be on the
edge all the time.  There are many people who run Linux as a
``production system'' and rely on them heavily and therefore don't
want to be on the bleeding edge.  One objective of Debian is to
produce a _stable_ system that runs reliably.

In case you want the latest software, you can always roll your own
packages by debmake which makes debiansing a package a simple task
most of the time.

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Re: weird su behavior

1997-01-22 Thread Philippe Troin

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:38:39 PST Ricardo Kleemann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
.com) wrote:

 recently I've been having problems going into root...
 
 When I do a 'su' and type in the passwd, it kicks me out with a Broken pipe
 When this is happening, I also can't telnet into the machine; the telnet
 session gets closed.
 
 What could be causing this?

No idea :-)

 Where could I look to diagnose the problem? (nothing unusual is showing up
 in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog).

Try doing a `strace su' as root to see where is breaks...
Strace is in the strace package.

Phil.



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Re: The CD Issue

1997-01-22 Thread Adam Shand
Bruce, you have my total support for this proposal.  I'm sorry I was
not in touch enough to give you the support when you really needed it.

I whole heartedly agree and support this idea as well.  I am *happy* to pay
an extra two dollors for an offical, nicely packaged version of Debian.  I
don't see any way in which this is unreasonable.

I support the Debian project and would be upset/annoyed to see Debian loose
acceptance in the commercial sector simply because of a misundertanding
(which seems to be oh so easy via email).

Adam.



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Initial install with dselect

1997-01-22 Thread Jason K. Keimig

  There has been some recent discussion as to upgrading dselect with more
user friendly features for first-time Linux users.  However, before this
path is taken, I think that some of the inherent bugs in dselect should be
addressed beforehand.

 For example:

 1.  For whatever reason in Debian release 1.1, dselect consistantly
 skipped packages primarily in the non-free section on initial
 install.  You basically had to go with the default settings and go
 back after installing _these_ packages before you could add new ones.
 Sometimes this worked, sometimes it didn't.  At some point after
 several attempts, dselect would catch its errs (for whatever reason)
 and install the previously selected items.  It may have been due to
 some packages slipping through dselect's dependency checks and
 causing errors on post-installation setups (e.g. LaTeX and INN
 configs in the 1.2 release), I dunno.  In 1.2, this is still
 happening, except that there are some more packages showing up not
 installed in the contrib and news sectioans as well (22 pkgs total).

 Something else that seems curious in the dselect procedure is that
 these packages show up under: dpkg --yet-to-unpack, but dselect
 doesn't touch them.  dpkg -O should manually install them, but how
 many first-time users would know that man dpkg let alone dpkg
 itself exists?

2.  If dselect hits _any_ install errors after a first-time setup, it WILL
cycle through the entire package database Skipping deselected pkg or
Version xx.xx-xx already installed, skipping. times the number of
errors that were encountered on the first pass (i.e. I had 3 errors on
post installation of some INN stuff and I sat there watching dselect
cycle through the entire package database 3 time skipping already
installed or deselected packages or hitting the same 3 errors).

3.  All of this disappears when _all_ of the install errors have been
corrected.  This again seems strange as the errors happen at various
points in the installation procedure.  Most of the packages after
the errors _do_ get installed.  It just appears to be a select few
that don't.  I don't have the faintest clue as to how dselect/dpkg
maintain its internal database of packages marked for selection, but
they (it) sure doesn't appear to do pkg install inline with the
internal database.

Confused,
 -J.


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Rescue/boot disk utilities

1997-01-22 Thread Jason K. Keimig

  What happened to the vanilla ftp binary on the rescue/boot disk for 1.2?
There is a boatload of new, although questionable (tcpd?) utilities on the
rescue/boot disk, but no ftp!  Its rather nice to have a regular ftp
binary for grabbing local installation scripts and use them to pull stuff
off of cdrom rather than nfs mounting hosts to get the scripts...  any way
to throw it on a new floppy update sometime before 1.3 come out?

Thanks,
  -J.


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Re: Cant get kernel-package!

1997-01-22 Thread Warren Overholt
Hi,
I too also ran into this loop as described below.  Currently, I 
can't get any more packages selected because I have yet to find a clean 
exit out of the dependency loop. I didn't seem to have any problems until 
I downloaded the new package lists. I think I saw a reference in the 
debian-announce list that atleast one of the files had been revised.  
could this be the problem?
On what may be a related question, I noticed that dselect does 
not recognize that you have a higher version of Tk installed, and so 
requires that you install an older version to get some software to run.  
It would seem that it should be checking to see that a newer version is 
already installed and so not require the older as well.  Is this 
indicating that: a) dselect does not check relative version numbers on 
packages like Tk where the version is attached to the name or b) this 
feature is not working correctly?
Warren Overholt

 On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote:
 
  when I use dselect to try and get kernel-package, i get into an infinite
  loop with dependencies on packages perl and libc5.  I + them and they get *,
  but when I enter, I go back to dependencies and there they are again, still
  showing *!
  
  I X'd back and tried again from start, chose ftp, looked at packages,
  kernel-package was STILL selected, and I STILL got into the same boat when i
  tried to continue.  Trying to purge those two packages was the bright idea I
  had, but I soon realized I would have to remove most of my system once the
  dependencies were ruled out :(
  


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Re: PostScript without PS printers

1997-01-22 Thread Bob Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Bob,
 
   Yes, please email the details when you've set up under Debian, as well as
 any hardware considerations.  I'm currently checking out the how-to's, and
 would appreciate very much a real-world example of something I'd like to
 be able to do on my box.
 
 TIA,
 
 Marty

Stan Brown wrote:

 
 I would be interested in knowing what it atkes to get this working. I
 am fixing to buy a small HP color printer, and I currently use a
 postcript printer only.
 
 Thanks.
 
 --
 Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]   

Stan  Marty:gs-aladdin

I now have my printer (Canon BJC-4100) working under Debian.  It was
really easy; only one tricky part.

First install Aladdin gs package.  It's in non-free and called
gs-aladdin.  Then, install APSFilter.  It's in the text section and is
called apsfilter.  After APSFilter is unpacked, an interative setup
program will prompt you for specifics like what kind of printer you have
and what serial/parallel port to use.  The available devices are (from
gs -h):
   x11 x11mono x11alpha x11cmyk lvga256 vgalib ap3250 appledmp bj10e
bj200
   bjc600 bjc800 cdeskjet cdjcolor cdjmono cdj500 cdj550 cp50 declj250
   deskjet djet500 djet500c dnj650c epson eps9mid eps9high epsonc ibmpro
   imagen iwhi iwlo iwlq jetp3852 laserjet lbp8 lips3 lj250 ljet2p ljet3
   ljet3d ljet4 lj4dith ljetplus lp2563 m8510 necp6 oce9050 paintjet pj
   pjetxl pjxl pjxl300 r4081 sj48 st800 stcolor t4693d2 t4693d4 t4693d8
   tek4696 dfaxhigh dfaxlow faxg3 miff24 faxg32d faxg4 tiffcrle tiffg3
   tiffg32d tiffg4 tiff12nc tiff24nc tifflzw tiffpack bit bitrgb bitcmyk
   bmpmono bmp16 bmp256 bmp16m cgmmono cgm8 cgm24 cif mgrmono mgrgray2
   mgrgray4 mgrgray8 mgr4 mgr8 pcxmono pcxgray pcx16 pcx256 pcx24b pbm
   pbmraw pgm pgmraw pgnm pgnmraw pnm pnmraw ppm ppmraw psmono sgirgb
   pngmono pnggray png16 png256 png16m pdfwrite nullpage

The tricky part is that these are the devices supported by gs.  Not all
of these will be offered as choices by APSFilter.  For example, I used
bjc600 even though that printer type was not offered as a choice during
APSFilter configuration dialogue.  I just typed it in anyway and it
works.

I obviously can't say how other printers will work since I only own one
printer, but the package seems flexible and is a breeze to set up.  BTW,
printing is not exactly fast since ALL files including plain ascii will
now be converted to PostScript before being fed to the printer via gs. 
As an added benefit other non-ascii, non-PostScript files are
automatically converted and printed too!  The file types handled is
determined by the availability of conversion utilities detected by
APSFilter during configuration.

One more hint, if you don't know which IO port to tell APSFilter to use,
try:

insmod lp
cat /proc/ioports

Good Luck!

--Bob


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pppd error message (FreeBSD - Debian GNU/Linux)

1997-01-22 Thread Steve
I don't know if this is a FreeBSD problem or a Debian GNU/Linux
problem...

I'm using pppd between kirk (a FreeBSD 2.1.6.1-RELEASE machine) and
bitbucket (a Debian 1.2 box, linux kernel 2.0.27). It works fine,
except for an annoying message that keeps showing up in kirk's log
files:

Jan 21 19:42:26 kirk pppd[24736]: demuxprotrej: Unrecognized
Protocol-Reject for protocol 19041!

It usually happens once every ten minutes (to the second) but sometimes
more or less often. It really clutters up kirk's log files, and I'd
like to put a stop to it if I can.

From bitbucket, I use pppd+chat to dial kirk, log in, and exec kirk's
pppd. Here are the config files. No error messages appear in
bitbucket's log, and kirk doesn't get any messages until some time
after the connection is established.

Here are the /etc/ppp/options files. I am the only person using pppd on
either of these two machines.

kirk:
passive
+pap
login
proxyarp
netmask 255.255.255.0
204.244.190.1:204.244.190.9

bitbucket:
/dev/ttyS1
115200
modem
defaultroute
crtscts
passive
user steve

I've also tried pppd with the modem and crtscts options on kirk,
and the -ac -bsdcomp -pc -pred1comp -vj compression disabling options
on bitbucket. No change.

Other than these messages, everything is fine. Both modems are Cardinal
33.6 kbps external. I get FTP speeds over 3k per second and `ping -s 8`
times of 100-110 ms.

Anyone know how to stop these messages?


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