Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
** Urge to flame resited and put behind ** ok, instead of sending this to the WRONG address try sending your unsubscribe msg to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then you can be removed. Chad P.S. As a note. That little msg you get when you join a list that says keep me... keep it. That way you don't annoy people by send commands to the wrong place. Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Paul McDermott wrote: UNSUBSCRIBE
Re: x windows
well i got 1.2.2 installed and i was wondering about x windows, could anyone tell me how much disk space i will need to run this. i have an old 386 with 4m ran and 20mb of swap space. am quite impressed with its abilities. I don't think I'd try xwin with less than say 300, 400 is better and of course, (if your budget allows)700 or more would probably do a single user machine for some time. I disagree. At home I've an old 386-40 which ran X, netscape, PPP, xv and almost nothing else in 40 megs of drive space. It does, however, have 8 megs of ram and an S3 accelerated card, which makes X almost bearable. While Linux will run X with only 4 megs of ram, you probably won't be able to do much except for wait for it to swap. I'd really recomend at least 8 megs of ram. -- - John Larkin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://aij.st.hmc.edu/~jlarkin
Compiling---svgalib not seen by gnuplot
One of the joys of Linux is to be able to compile a package, or even the kernel. I have compiled the beta releases of gnuplot regularly over the past two years. The most recent release, pl. 325, has refused my efforts several times. Most problematical, to compile one has to tweak the parameters of the makefile, to get gnuplot to use the vga library. No problem in the past, but I haven't been able to figure this one out. I can get the system to see the svgalib, but the binary cannot run in a vga (linux) terminal, unless as root. Probably I made some mistakes. I tried adding /usr/lib to the /etc/ld.so.config. Is this not needed? The error message having to do with permissions is in the gnuplot sources, I tried looking at the debianized sources of some packages, but they are kludged up to an extent I cannot follow them. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who can explain simply how to get the linux terminal to compile and be useable. This package is extremely useful, and I'd like to be able to keep compiling as I have been. Alan Davis -- Alan Eugene Davis Marianas High School 15o 8.8'N GMT+10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AAA 196 Box 10,001145o 42.5'E Saipan, MP 96950 Northern Mariana Islands An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one nonexistent.-- Lord Raleigh
Re: Installation problem which now is network problem
Unfortunately it's not up and running to that extent I would like to. I have no contact at all with the network and with the Internet in particular. I think I have to make some changes in the network configuration. The question is: How do I reconfigure the network when I've already installed Linux. I don't want to reinstall it for a small matter like this. Hopefully, you answered yes when asked by the installation script if you're directly connected to the network. If so, edit the file /etc/init.d/network and put in the proper values. Check your IP address, make sure it's yours. The NETMASK value depends on your network. For a class C network, it is 255.255.255.0, the NETWORK address just replaces the 4th (and last) field of your IP address with a 0. BROADCAST again depends on the kind of network you have. Usually replace the last field of your IP address with 255 for a class C network. Your gateway is dependent on your network. Usually replace the last field of your IP with 1 (mine is weird -- it's 200. Again, dependent on your local net). If you need more info, feel free to email me off the list. For instance, if you don't have a /etc/init.d/networks file. -- - John Larkin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://aij.st.hmc.edu/~jlarkin
Re: wu-ftpd
ls, I get no output. Only the following shows up: ftp ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. 226 Transfer complete. ftp This is probably because ls can't find the proper libraries it needs to load. When a user uses anonomous ftp, it chroots to the ftp directory. So if ls is a shared executable (find this out by typing in file ./ls in your ftp/bin directory) you need the shared libraries. For tar and ls, I have the following libs in ftp/lib: ld-linux.so.1 libc.so.5 which are symlinks to the proper versions of ld-linux and libc that you have in the lib directory. I do believe you need a ld.so.cache in ftp/etc/. The way I created mine was by copying ldconfig to the ftp directory, and running it after running chroot to the directory. I'm sure there are better ways of doing it, but that worked. Accounts that I have setup for testing purposes and existing accounts seem to work. Should I have removed the crypted password from /etc/passwd? I do have a copy of passwd and group in /home/ftp/etc without passwords in them. ls has also been copied to /home/ftp/bin, as suggested by man wu-ftpd. You should leave passwords in /etc/passwd, but don't have any passwords in ftp/etc/passwd. -- - John Larkin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://aij.st.hmc.edu/~jlarkin
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Paul writes: This is getting pretty boring, with all the silly ranting and raving. Looks like discussion to me. Use your killfile. For Pete's sake, the Debian guys didn't create PPP in the first place! Take it to those that did, if you're really that stuck! By that standard, we should discuss only dselect and dpkg. Isn't configuration and installation of software created by others what a distribution is all about? It's really not so damn difficult to be honest, but the first time or two it might seem daunting. Why not try to make it less daunting? Is it supposed to be some sort of a rite of passage? I mean c'mon, what do you think the rest of us are using to get to the net? Judging from what I see on the linux newsgroups, many are using Windows95. Microsoft evidently makes it easy. Why can't Debian? --- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: Changing kernel.
Mikael Hallendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm about to compile a new kernel. Do I have to take the .deb kernel or can I download the latest from sunsite.unc.edu? If you install Manoj Srivastava's excellent 'kernel-package' package, you can unpack the linux kernel sources, do your normal configuration (I do 'make xconfig') and then run '/usr/sbin/make-kpkg binary'. Install the resulting customised Debian kernel package using 'dpkg -i ../kernel-binary_version_blah.deb'. Beware that some Debian packages expect the kernel to be compiled with module versions turn on. Hope that helps, Kenny.
Re: ucbmpeg and libX.so.6
Andrea, You'll have to install the 'xcompat' package to supply the libraries for this binary. Unfortunately, it's still an a.out package. The xcompat package has the following libraries... /usr/X11R5/lib/libX11.so.3.1.0 /usr/X11R5/lib/libXaw.so.3.1.0 /usr/X11R5/lib/libXt.so.3.1.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libX11.so.6.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXIE.so.6.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXaw.so.6.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXt.so.6.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXIE.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libXtst.sa This works for me. Oh, and don't post a bug report for this, it's already noted in bugs #4572, #5058 and #5061. Best wishes, Kenny. Graeme Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrea == Andrea Arcangeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrea I have installed the ucbmpeg package: # dpkg -i Andrea /iomega/debian/ucbmpeg_1r2-2.deb Selecting previously Andrea deselected package ucbmpeg. (Reading database ... 25046 Andrea files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking Andrea ucbmpeg (from .../debian/ucbmpeg_1r2-2.deb) ... Setting Andrea up ucbmpeg (1r2-2) ... Andrea but if i try to run for example mpeg_play: Andrea # mpeg_play mpeg_play: can't load library Andrea '/usr/lib/libXt.so.6' Unknown error mpeg_play: can't load Andrea library '/lib/libXt.so.6' Unknown error mpeg_play: can't Andrea find library 'libXt.so.6' Andrea I have also linked /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 in /usr/lib Andrea and /lib but nothing is changed. Andrea Why? -- Andrea Arcangeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrea http://www.imola.queen.it/user/arcangeli/ Make sure that /usr/X11/lib exists in the file /etc/ld.so.conf, then run ldconfig as root. This should ensure that all your X11 libraries are known by the dynamic loader. My ld.so.conf looks like this (/lib and /usr/lib are included automatically): /usr/local/lib /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout /usr/X11R5/lib /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout /usr/X11R6/lib That should fix the problem :-) BTW, xanim plays mpeg movies and a lot more formats too, so I'd consider it a good alternative to ucbmpeg. Cheers, Graeme -- | Graeme A Stewart, pgp public key finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Key fingerprint = AF C7 BF A4 52 D5 3C 3B 17 A5 62 43 DA 15 E8 97 | | Keep a good head, and always carry a lightbulb. Dylan |
Re: shared library tutorial?
Dale Martin wrote:
Hello,
I have built a PCCTS source package - PCCTS is the Purdue
Compiler-Construction Tool Set - it produces LL(K) parsers. I'm
using it in a project which I will eventually Debianize. The PCCTS
package is close to ready to upload, except it has some libraries in
it, and I would like to compile them as shared libraries and don't
know how. (I'd also like to use shared libraries in my own project.)
Can anyone point me to an online reference on how to compile and use
shared libraries? Note that I'm also interested in the portability of
the solution - my project also is working with Linux/Alpha, and
Solaris machines...
Thanks for any info!
Dale
I don't know anything about the portability side but this seems
to work for me:
sophis.c:
/* a sophis-tercated example */
extern void grunt(char *);
int main()
{
grunt(Hello world.\n);
}
tercated.c:
/* a sophis-tercated example */
#includestdio.h
void grunt(char * foo)
{
printf(foo);
}
And then:
$ gcc --shared -o libgrunt.so tercated.c
(as root)
# cp libgrunt.so /usr/local/lib/
# ldconfig -v
$ gcc -o sophis sophis.c -lgrunt
$ ./sophis
Hello world.
$
I suppose there is more to it than this -- depending on your
application -- but I don't know what. The path /usr/local/lib
has to be in the configuration in /etc/ld.conf and should not
be /usr/local/lib if you are actually making a .deb.
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--
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other
invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequilla.
-- Mitch Ratcliffe
Re: gimp troublees
On Sat, 01 Mar 1997 16:56:03 CST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am having a little trouble with gimp. I have installed gimp 0.54.1-5 and gimp-plugins 1.0-1. My problem is that I can't figure out how to access the menus/pluging that are defined in my config files. I have copied /etc/gimp/gimprc to ~/.gimprc and have verified that it and /etc/gimp/add-ons.rc and /etc/gimp/plug-ins.rc *are* getting parsed. However, I see no menus or menu options to access these plugins. For example, the blur plugin is supposed to be under a Blur/Blur menu with a Alt+B hotkey. The ALt+B hotkey works fine, but I can find no other way to access the blur plugin. I am using all the default config files from gimp and gimp-plugins. I must be makeing some simple mistake since many people love this program. I'd love to be able to love it too. The plugins menu are only accessible from the right-button popup menu. Move your mouse over a GIMP image, and press right mouse button. Phil.
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Jason Costomiris writes: 1) cat /usr/bin/pon Looked at it, saw it uses /etc/ppp.chatscript Why did you have to this? Is there no documentation? 2) vi /etc/ppp.chatscript No configuration script either? -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: teTeX kind of broken
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Dalley writes: Putting the instructions in preinst may be too late, but it is better than nothing. Instructions in the mailing list are insufficient considering the number of users installing tetex. An notice and pointer to instructions in the package descriptions (showed by dselect) might help some users An custom remove of the old pakages in the preinstal script is probably allot of work. An general remove script for old packages that checked if any other installed pakages owned the files suposed to be removed (and then removing only the files *exclusivly* owned by the package being removed) might fix this kind of problem. Safer but it might be terreble slow and not sutable for general use... Just thinking /Lars
RE: Mail list problems??
On 19:29:46 Scott Stanley wrote: Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors Scott, You're not the only one. I'm seeing them here to. Paul
Re: Mail list problems??
On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors Here's my me too because i wanted to verify that the same thing happened to me this morning. I realize it will happen again as i respond to this, but i think someone should notice and fix this. Thank you for pointing it out and thank you to whoever it is that fixes these things. ... universero trio... [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto!
RE: wu-ftpd
Did you put ls, in the bin directory of the ftp home directory? -- From: Rob MacWilliams[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 1997 10:12 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject:wu-ftpd I'm trying to set up ftpd. The man pages suggest wu-ftpd, so that's what I'm using. I've gone down the wu man page and set my server up according to it's recomendation. The only problem I'm having is with anonymous users and ls. When I connect using loopback, login using anonymous and try ls, I get no output. Only the following shows up: ftp ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. 226 Transfer complete. ftp this should show the the pub sub-dir at least. Accounts that I have setup for testing purposes and existing accounts seem to work. Should I have removed the crypted password from /etc/passwd? I do have a copy of passwd and group in /home/ftp/etc without passwords in them. ls has also been copied to /home/ftp/bin, as suggested by man wu-ftpd. If I know the filename beforehand, I can upload and download as expected. I just seems that ls doesn't work. Any clues? Thanks Time is the best teacher, unfortunately it kills all of it's students Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] N9NPU
RE: Graphics file converter(s) (Like xv)
You could also try tgif, it has alot of nice facilities including import and export functions. -- From: Susan G. Kleinmann[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 1997 5:25 PM To: Stan Brown Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject:Re: Graphics file converter(s) (Like xv) Stan Brown said: I am looking for a general puropose conversion program for graphich formats. What I would really like would be sonething like xv that could be run ono interactivley by the lp interface script. Ultimetly II need the fiel is PCL3, but I have ghostscript converting from postscript already, so something that can ouptup postscript would work. The imagemagick package includes many utilities that can be used from the command line to convert images from one format to another. Also, the netpbm package (in non-free) has 300 command line utilities for image conversion. (Imagemagick is to be preferred, if it does what you want, since it is still being actively developed.) Good luck, Susan Kleinmann
RE: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
The ISP has nothing to do with it. There is a systematic approach to setting up anything. Before one can resolve an issue one must understand the problem. The approach is: 1: manually dial up and log into your ISA 2: edit the respective files so that the proper strings are looked for and responded with 3: adjust the protocol config files accordingly Just a not, there is one thing missing in the distributed etc/ppp/options files defaultroute. That if the ISA is the primary DNS. -- From: William Chow[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 1997 10:14 AM To: Peter Iannarelli Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?! On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Peter Iannarelli wrote: I'd like to say the getting PPP up and running was a breeze. Took about an hour. (1 hour because I had to install hardware, and track down a priviledge level issue on a cuaX.) The actual ppp stuff took abount 10-15 minutes. Dial out with dynamic ip I don't see what all the whining is about. AHEM... Just because PPP works for you doesn't necessarily mean it works as easily for others. This is due to the fact that ISPs differ in how they establish PPP connections. You shouldn't assume that others have the same type of PPP setup as you do, as there are literrally hundreds of differing ISPs out there. I've helped a couple people install PPP on their Linux boxes, and it can vary from a no-brainer to a night in hell. What's the solution, you ask? Get PPP connections standardized. Will
Re: wu-ftpd
Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] ftp ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. 226 Transfer complete. ftp [snip] ls has also been copied to /home/ftp/bin, as suggested by man wu-ftpd. If `ldd /home/ftp/bin/ls' shows anything other than statically linked (ELF) (or a.out I suppose) then ls won't work unless libc.so.??? is in /home/ftp/lib (or somewhere). You need a statically linked ls for anonymous ftp because the server chroot(2)s into /home/ftp for security. -- Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux and Linux-like systems such as UNIX(R) and FreeBSD... - Yggdrasil Computing, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is modules_2.1.23-1.deb corrupted?
I found that the ismod, modprobe, rmmod are missing in the modules deb. Are they moved to a new package, or the deb is corrupted? dpkg --contents modules_2.1.23-1.deb drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 etc/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 404 Feb 26 10:22 1997 etc/modules -rw-r--r-- root/root 1610 Feb 26 10:22 1997 etc/conf.modules drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 etc/init.d/ -rwxr-xr-x root/root 1131 Feb 26 10:22 1997 etc/init.d/modutils -rwxr-xr-x root/root 696 Feb 26 10:22 1997 etc/init.d/kerneld drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 sbin/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 usr/man/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 Feb 26 10:22 1997 usr/man/man1/
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
William Chow writes: What's the solution, you ask? Get PPP connections standardized. That is the ultimate solution, but in the mean time we could supply some examples. It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem to document the five most common arrangements, for example. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: can Linux r/w Windoze FAT32?
Igor Grubman wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Ralph Winslow wrote: Lawrence Chim wrote: Harmon Sequoya Nine wrote: snip first is with the mtools (do a man mtools to get more info), although this is usually only with a floppy. The second way is to mount the win95 partition using: mount -t vfat /dev/??? /mountDir This should work like a charm. Let me know if it doesn't ... -- Harmon Do you realise that FAT32 is different from FAT16? Only OEM WIN95 supports FAT32! Is this why I have to put up with those whatev~1.foo names? Someone posted their reluctance to deal with other than .txt files to or from the WinDoze slice. I've had success with moving .exe .doc .etc files to and from - no problem (except for the truncated file names). no, if you can mount and use the win95 filesystem, and the only problem is truncated filenames, then you have vfat (which is still FAT16), and you can solve the problem by adding -t vfat to the mount command as noted above. vfat is not a FAT32. With FAT32, the cluster size is 4KB EVEN the partition is bigger than 512MB. FAT32 is not compatible with VFAT. You need to apply the patch from http://www-plateau.cs.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html, then compile the kernel.
RE: gimp troublees
Hi, On 01-Mar-97 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am having a little trouble with gimp. I have installed gimp 0.54.1-5 and gimp-plugins 1.0-1. My problem is that I can't figure out how to access the menus/pluging that are defined in my config files. I have copied /etc/gimp/gimprc to ~/.gimprc and have verified that it and /etc/gimp/add-ons.rc and /etc/gimp/plug-ins.rc *are* getting parsed. However, I see no menus or menu options to access these plugins. For example, the blur plugin is supposed to be under a Blur/Blur menu with a Alt+B hotkey. The ALt+B hotkey works fine, but I can find no other way to access the blur plugin. Look under Filters Later, David
Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian C. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The message they had said there would be both new binaries _and_ proxies made available. Yes, I asked if proxy source would be available and was told that it hadn't been decided yet. -- Shields, CrossLink.
Why you are seeing all of these UNSUBSCRIBE messages all of a sudden
Unfortunately, I have broken the unsubscribe mechanism, and the only way to get off the lists (for another 24 hours or so) is to tell me about it and hope I see it in the 200 emails per day I seem to be getting. Something like UNSUBSCRIBE ME PLEASE in mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] might stand out sufficiently. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3
Re: wu-ftpd
I did the same thing you're doing and had problems too. Then I discovered addftpuser. Either delete or rename your ftp tree (/home/ftp?) and run addftpuser as root. All the required files, links, and libraries will be automatically setup for you. Then you can populate the new tree with files that you want to be made available to ftp users. --Bob Rob MacWilliams wrote: I'm trying to set up ftpd. The man pages suggest wu-ftpd, so that's what I'm using. I've gone down the wu man page and set my server up according to it's recomendation. The only problem I'm having is with anonymous users and ls. When I connect using loopback, login using anonymous and try ls, I get no output. Only the following shows up: ftp ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. 226 Transfer complete. ftp this should show the the pub sub-dir at least. Accounts that I have setup for testing purposes and existing accounts seem to work. Should I have removed the crypted password from /etc/passwd? I do have a copy of passwd and group in /home/ftp/etc without passwords in them. ls has also been copied to /home/ftp/bin, as suggested by man wu-ftpd. If I know the filename beforehand, I can upload and download as expected. I just seems that ls doesn't work. Any clues? Thanks Time is the best teacher, unfortunately it kills all of it's students Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] N9NPU
Re: Package configuration philosophy
WOW! Now my delete key is working under XWindows! Now *I* discover .inputrc! This should definitely be set by default. Can I make a global file so these options will apply to all users? (Maybe put it in /etc/X11/inputrc)? Yes? No? On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: Ever since I started using Debian about two years ago I have been gnashing my teeth here because the DEL/HOME/END keys did not work at the prompt. Now I discover .inputrc. This is IMO a prime candidate for something that can and should be installed along with bash on day one, on ix86 boxes. Or at least an offer to install it. I might be the only one on this list who is still wet behind the ears, but just in case I'm not, here is my ~/.inputrc:- #set bell-style visible #set show-all-if-ambiguousOn \e[1~: beginning-of-line \e[3~: delete-char \e[4~: end-of-line Lindsay -=- Daniel Robbins School of Medicine Computer Services University of New Mexico [email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
It's really not so damn difficult to be honest, but the first time or two it might seem daunting. Why not try to make it less daunting? Is it supposed to be some sort of a rite of passage? Exactly! I keep seeing posts from people who say All I did was 'cat /usr/bin/pon' and went and edited /etc/ppp.chatscript.. Well, tell me, where in the Debian installation guide (ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/disks-i386/current/install.html) does it mention pon (or even ppp for that matter)? In fact, show me where in the installation guide it even makes reference to ANY other document that refers to pon or ppp. This leads to the question: How many hyperlinks deep do I need to go before I find out how to install Debian? Second, why should someone have to cat /usr/bin/pon to find out to edit /etc/ppp.chatscript anyway? I mean, I have to say that the Debian installation routine is so simple it's silly. So why doesn't it just go that one extra yard and ask a simple question like Will this system be connected to the net via a PPP connection? and then let me specify which com port and what the dialup number/login-id/password are? Even the people who claim that ppp was a breeze admit that they had to hunt around a little before they found the right files to edit (either that or they cheated and asked a friend). It's silly. There's no mention in the installation guide that ppp is even included in the base system, or that someone with only dial-in access to the net can use ppp with dselect's ftp method to add new packages. Instead, you get tossed into dselect without even being given the chance to get ppp going for the first time (even if you *did* know the files to edit). Now *that's* intuitive. Don't get me wrong, Debian is great and it's got some really cool features, but those features are not made apparent to a newcomer to the distribution. Here's an example. A buddy of mine in San Francisco recently e-mailed me that he had just installed Debian (his first Linux) and that he needed to know how to read a DOS floppy because he had used Win95 to download some tar'd and gzip'd msql source or whatnot and wanted to copy it onto the Debian machine. I explained to him the Debian packaging system (which he hadn't been made aware of in the docs he read or the install program)... and how he should go get the .deb files and that, when he's feeling brave, he should get ppp going and use dselect. So, he went and ftp'd (with Win95) some deb's and copied them over to the Debian machine and used dpkg to install them. Then, he got gcc and was stuck because it was bigger than a 1.44M. So, I told him that it was time for the rite of passage, that he was going to have to go with ppp and dselect (which, again, he was not made aware of). It took about 3-4 days of e-mails before I got a message from him with the subject I'M ACTUALLY DOWNLOADING WITH DSELECT!. The ordeal shouldn't be such that it would cause him to act like he had won the lottery. I guess my point is that Debian is not doing a good job at embracing the first-time linuxer and probably even the first-time Debian linuxer. As a result, Debian is THE thing to be running as long as you've got a friend who has installed it before who will help point you in the right direction. And it doesn't have to be that way. I'd be glad to help... but in order to, I need at least SOME indication from others that they agree there's a problem here. Up until now, all I've heard is denial. - Joe
Re: x windows on meager hardware (was x windows)
Hi My prized student system administrator, Glenn Bily (now graduated, and making more money than I am) set up a network of Northgate 20 Mhz 386s, with 4 MB RAM, no L2 cache, 40 to 80 MB disk TOTAL running Linux, that are little more than X terminals, to a server at the end of the lab. BTW they run 1 MB SVGA cards without accelleration, and are bearable running Netscape. I'm going to miss him. Glenn, and what he does with Linux is astonishing. What can be done with Linux is astonishing. --David - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [345]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copyrights software patents make [EMAIL PROTECTED] | programing a dangerous business. Ask me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] spy counter-intelligence wild porno sex gold bullion Soviet Bosnia clipper Mossad data encryption munitions Serbian hydrazine ammonium nitrate fuel oil On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, John T. Larkin wrote: well i got 1.2.2 installed and i was wondering about x windows, could anyone tell me how much disk space i will need to run this. i have an old 386 with 4m ran and 20mb of swap space. am quite impressed with its abilities. I don't think I'd try xwin with less than say 300, 400 is better and of course, (if your budget allows)700 or more would probably do a single user machine for some time. I disagree. At home I've an old 386-40 which ran X, netscape, PPP, xv and almost nothing else in 40 megs of drive space. It does, however, have 8 megs of ram and an S3 accelerated card, which makes X almost bearable. While Linux will run X with only 4 megs of ram, you probably won't be able to do much except for wait for it to swap. I'd really recomend at least 8 megs of ram. -- - John Larkin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://aij.st.hmc.edu/~jlarkin
Re: Mail list problems??
On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors It happened to me yesterday, but I'm not sure if my mail actually went to the list. ...RickM...
Re: shared library tutorial?
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Dale Martin wrote: Can anyone point me to an online reference on how to compile and use shared libraries? Note that I'm also interested in the portability of the solution - my project also is working with Linux/Alpha, and Solaris machines... If you need something portable, you want to take a look at GNU libtool... Quoting from the Debian package's description: This is GNU libtool, a generic library support script. Libtool hides the complexity of generating special library types (such as shared libraries) behind a consistent interface. To use libtool, add the new generic library building commands to your Makefile, Makefile.in, or Makefile.am. See the documentation for details. Libtool supports building static libraries on all platforms. I read the info documentation quickly, and it looks quite nice... Christian PS Package's name is libtool, in section devel of unstable.
quake
I have a question. I have downloaded some quake scripts that I would like to use with the linux . They work great under dos. I have unziped them into a directory called skarmod under the quake directory. On dos, I would type 'quake -game skarmod' to use them. I have tried 'squake -game skarmod' after makeing a link in /var/lib/games/quake/ to /dosc/Games/quake/skarmod. It didn't seem to work. I am using the following packages: quake-lib-stub 1.2 squake 1.06-1 xquake 1.06-1 normal squake and xquake work fine. Thanks, Erv ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ==-- _ / / \ ---==---(_)__ __ __/ / /\ \- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / / /_/\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ /__\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org \_\/
Re: Mail list problems??
Me too. Susan Kleinmann Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors Scott
RE: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Peter Iannarelli wrote: The ISP has nothing to do with it. There is a systematic approach to setting up anything. Before one can resolve an issue one must understand the problem. The approach is: 1: manually dial up and log into your ISA 2: edit the respective files so that the proper strings are looked for and responded with 3: adjust the protocol config files accordingly Just a not, there is one thing missing in the distributed etc/ppp/options files defaultroute. That if the ISA is the primary DNS. Hmmm... that's of course assuming everything goes smoothly in steps 1-3. There are certain setups in which when you dial in using a terminal, it activates a shell account, but when you dial in using the Win95 PPP setup, it becomes PPP, so manually dialing in does nothing for you. You have to assume that PPP is somehow passively established, but you don't know what the delay period is, since there is no easy way to monitor what Win95 does during a PPP negotiation. Also, such services as ATT, AOL dervitives, etc. have proprietary dialers which dialin scripts which you can't easily access or figure out. A manual dial in does not necessarily work in such circumstances because even the user password is not accepted at the boot prompt... you get the picture... Then of course you have to determine whether PPP is passively or actively activated, whether it requires PAP/CHAP authentication, whether your need to specify the defaultroure, etc. etc. In other words, a lot of headaches. Will
Diskless install
Hi, I just installed Debian on my 486 and thought I'd try to do it without disks. I got as far as the point were it wanted to install the kernel, but couldn't go any further. Is there any reason why there is no drivers.tgz and perhaps kernel.tgz? For those who are interested I have got it down to a two disk install. What you do is download linux, root.bin, base1_2.tgz and get loadlin.exe (loadling package is where I got it from). Then you put the 3 files on a dos partion and run: loadlin linux root=/dev/ram initrd=root.bin options Linux will load and run just like if the rescue disk was booted (cept faster ;) Then alt-f2 and run mkdir jnk mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /jnk -- sda1 is your dos partition The install will find the base1_2.tgz file by itself and everything will go very smoothly till it wants to install the kernel, you need the rescue floppy (Arrg) and then the drivers floppy (Arrg some more). The only things the Debian people could do to improve this is to put loadlin.exe on the ftp server and to modify the install so you don't need the two disks.. I was also thinking that with a iso9660 fs driver in the kernel a CDROM install could be done with either 1 disk or none! Even if no cd driver was in the kernel, by copying the files above from the cd to the dos partion an install could still be accomplished. Thoughts? Jason Received: (qmail 3744 invoked for bounce); 2 Mar 1997 05:27:05 - Date: 2 Mar 1997 05:27:05 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at master.debian.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 132.229.8.6 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: 500 Command unrecognized --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 17008 invoked by uid 805); 2 Mar 1997 01:33:43 - MBOX-Line: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Mar 1 17:33:43 1997 Received: (qmail 16985 invoked by uid 802); 2 Mar 1997 01:33:41 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 16980 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1997 01:33:40 - Received: from semo.tio.net ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 1997 01:33:40 - Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by semo.tio.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07775; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:26:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: trio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Scott Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Debian-User debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Mail list problems?? In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: jdassen@ On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors Here's my me too because i wanted to verify that the same thing happened to me this morning. I realize it will happen again as i respond to this, but i think someone should notice and fix this. Thank you for pointing it out and thank you to whoever it is that fixes these things. ... universero trio... [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tio.net/~trio Learn and use The International Language Esperanto!
Re: lprm says Permission denied (fwd)
John Goerzen writes: This is *not* an acceptable fix. Other packages, for isntance Samba, will **NOT** work with lprng. Why won't samba not work with it? Please file an appropriate bug against the samba package. Because Samba depends on the output formats of the lp* commands, in particular, lpq. It parses the output and converts it to the format suitable for displaying to Windows users. Since LPRNG's lpq is different that LPR's lpq output, samba cannot parse it correctly. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: Why you are seeing all of these UNSUBSCRIBE messages all of a sudden
How about adding the X-Mailing-List: line to the headers again too ;) thanks -lars -- http://ralph.ml.org/~lars
Solved (was: first installation, network problem) (fwd)
Thanks to all kind wise persons who helped me to solve the problem. Gateway and DNS addresses were wrong and /etc/hosts.allow as well. I used Rescue disk to reconfigure network because I do not know another way (more convinient) to do that. With regards, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030
Re: teTeX kind of broken
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Christoph Martin wrote: Where do you want to put these instructions? I have posted instructions to debian-user and debian-devel. If you put it in the preinst script it is to late. Isn't this something that whoever it is maintaining dselect should fix? I don't think this approach (instructions how to remove...) is enough user-friendly to include in the next Debian release.. // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37]
Re: lprm says Permission denied (fwd)
On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, John Goerzen wrote: This is *not* an acceptable fix. Other packages, for isntance Samba, will **NOT** work with lprng. This is nice to know actually, it's completely untrue. samba works very well with lprng. i've got it running on my system, using lprng magicfilter with samba. no problems. it works. well, actually i had a few initial hassles getting the win95 box to print with the PCL driver. Postscript worked fine (through ghostscript to my HP4L), but PCL failed. Eventually somebody on debian-user suggested that I put check_for_nonprintable no in /etc/lpd.conf - as soon as I did this, i could print PCL. The problem wasn't in lprng, or in samba, it was in my config. If I had RTFM it wouldnt have been a problem at all. Sounds like the thing to do is work on lpr to get it working. Besides, I am running into as many problems getting lprng to work as I was lpr. But, I think the lpr problems might be easier to track down i disagree. lpr seems to be quite badly documented (i.e. almost none). lprng has good documentation. Can anyone tell me what the differences are between lpr and lprng. In what ways has lprng been ``enhanced and extended'', to quote the package description. it seems to be a bit more flexible in what you can do with filters and network printers. e.g. i've got an HP4L connected to my main workstation siva (a 486-100 with 32mb). Mostly what i print is postscript stuff which means i have to use ghostscript. This works well, except that siva is so overworked at the moment that i really notice the system slowing down when i print. I used lprng to send postscript printjobs to kali (my newish 32mb cyrix 686-100). kali processes the print job with gs, and then dumps the PCL output back to siva for printing. Setting this up was quite easy. I could have moved the printer to kali's parallel port but that would have meant crawling under tables etc to move the cable. I don't like crawling under tables...in fact, I loathe it. lprng also seems much more configurable for permissions etc. craig
My clock doesn't know how to tell time.
Hi everyone: Here comes a stupid question. I have a wacky clock thing happening on by Debian system. Version 2.1.2 it is now currently 6:00 am but by clock says 22:00 or 10:00. My TZ is set to EST5EDT. When I issue the clock command, the system bios clock is read and then the time is correct. Why is this happening? Who is doing it ? Why are they doing it ? Or should I just settle with the concept that time is relative Thanks in advance. Signed,,, Tomorrow never comes.
Re: lprm says Permission denied (fwd)
On Mar 03, 1997 at 08:58:41PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: well, actually i had a few initial hassles getting the win95 box to print with the PCL driver. Postscript worked fine (through ghostscript to my HP4L), but PCL failed. Eventually somebody on debian-user suggested that I put check_for_nonprintable no in /etc/lpd.conf - as Strange, because I don't have that in smb.conf, and I print PCL to my new HP5L from Win95 boxes just fine. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Melbourne, Australia. Student, computer science computer systems engineering. 3rd year, RMIT. http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~moffatt CPOM: [ ] 40% PGP key available from web page above.
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Look, if you can't get a connect, its NOT Debian, and its NOT PPP in all likelihood! If you do get logged into your provider, and then can't communicate to the net, its NOT either Debian OR PPP. Its probably YOUR setup (most likely), or your ISP (least likely). PPP is a link level protocol, responsible for setting up and maintaining the low level link; NOT the tcp/ip network! Different animal! If your scripts and options file doesn't setup the link properly, then its PPP and its setup at fault. If it does establish the link, and your script gets you logged in, then its not PPP, its your tcp/ip net setup. None of them are the DISTRIBUTION's fault, NONE! More often than not its probably your own, since it works, and works well for so many of us. Can an ISP create an environment that simply won't work with the default options file ? Absolutely! But again, THAT IS NOT THE DISTRIBUTION! So knock off all the smacking these guys for your own problem, or that which your ISP has created! They can't do anything about it! By that standard, we should discuss only dselect and dpkg. Isn't Right, but its NOT productive to blame Debian or any other distr. for this, especially when the problem is more likely than not your own or your script. Why not try to make it less daunting? Is it supposed to be some sort of a Then why don't you write it and stop all the bitching if you're so damn smart? Judging from what I see on the linux newsgroups, many are using Windows95. Microsoft evidently makes it easy. Why can't Debian? Actually, I rather like access to all the options that you DON'T get with uSlop! Paul --- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Look, you don't seem to get the idea here! If you see a NEED, and are so smart to be able to solve the problem for everyone, WRITE IT YOURSELF and submit it to Debian! Furthermore, saying its NOT is the documentation is just totatlly wrong! If you chose NOT to install the HOWTO'S or INFO, thats your problem AND not the guys that put it all together. Have you read the Net and Serial HOWTO'S? OR, GASP! the PPP HOWTO? Linux, any of the distributions, comes with enough doc to keep you busy, and make you real smart, if you just take the time to look at it! Its all there man, all of it. Saying its not is like saying the sun isn't gonna come up tomorrow because Debian is so screwed up or PPP is at fault for aids for Pete's sake! If you want it to be 'easy' just go back to uSlop, and let them take away all the options and make all your decisions for you! If you don't want to learn what makes it tick, and find your problem, then you'll fit right in with their philosophy. Paul they cheated and asked a friend). It's silly. There's no mention in the installation guide that ppp is even included in the base system, or that someone with only dial-in access to the net can use ppp with dselect's ftp method to add new packages. Instead, you get tossed into dselect without even being given the chance to get ppp going for the first time (even if you *did* know the files to edit). Now *that's* intuitive. Don't get me wrong, Debian is great and it's got some really cool features, but those features are not made apparent to a newcomer to the distribution. Here's an example. A buddy of mine in San Francisco recently e-mailed me that he had just installed Debian (his first Linux) and that he needed to know how to read a DOS floppy because he had used Win95 to download some tar'd and gzip'd msql source or whatnot and wanted to copy it onto the Debian machine. I explained to him the Debian packaging system (which he hadn't been made aware of in the docs he read or the install program)... and how he should go get the .deb files and that, when he's feeling brave, he should get ppp going and use dselect. So, he went and ftp'd (with Win95) some deb's and copied them over to the Debian machine and used dpkg to install them. Then, he got gcc and was stuck because it was bigger than a 1.44M. So, I told him that it was time for the rite of passage, that he was going to have to go with ppp and dselect (which, again, he was not made aware of). It took about 3-4 days of e-mails before I got a message from him with the subject I'M ACTUALLY DOWNLOADING WITH DSELECT!. The ordeal shouldn't be such that it would cause him to act like he had won the lottery. I guess my point is that Debian is not doing a good job at embracing the first-time linuxer and probably even the first-time Debian linuxer. As a result, Debian is THE thing to be running as long as you've got a friend who has installed it before who will help point you in the right direction. And it doesn't have to be that way. I'd be glad to help... but in order to, I need at least SOME indication from others that they agree there's a problem here. Up until now, all I've heard is denial. - Joe
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Second, why should someone have to cat /usr/bin/pon to find out to edit /etc/ppp.chatscript anyway? I mean, I have to say that the Debian installation routine is so simple it's silly. So why doesn't it just go that one extra yard and ask a simple question like Will this system be connected to the net via a PPP connection? and then let me specify which com port and what the dialup number/login-id/password are? Even the people who claim that ppp was a breeze admit that they had to hunt around a little before they found the right files to edit (either that or they cheated and asked a friend). The Debian files in /etc/ppp/* are generic: I have two ISP's who have two ENTIRELY different setups: I had to ask the ISP's what they needed by way of login strings and edit accordingly. Your init strings for win.bright.net won't work here for Demon. The PPP HOWTO gives a generic command line which is insecure because it includes the password but which will get you going if you have to. And it doesn't have to be that way. I'd be glad to help... but in order to, I need at least SOME indication from others that they agree there's a problem here. Up until now, all I've heard is denial. - Joe MS DOS was a three week learning curve for me: Linux was about 6 months. If your friend has email and news: READ THE NEWSGROUPS. Lurk for a week/month or two,so that before you rush in you'll see the FAQ's, see where the problems are. Reading Debian documentation is something most people don't always do immediately anyway. Debian isn't necessarily for the absolute beginner to Linux although it does offer the most potential. Most people start with Slack/Red Hat then hear about Debian and move across. The best way, as ever, is to have a friend to help out. i'll help anyone I can locally or internationally: the advice initially to read newsgroups, HOWTO's and manuals (possibly in that order) still holds. Yes there are problems with dselect / dpkg and the whole concept of dependencies if you're new to Debian: help your friend through these and encourage him to help others. If you don't like the documentation feel free to write some - at least Running Linux from Matt Welsh is being updated to take account of Debian AFAIK. Andy
Re: Package configuration philosophy
It seems that someone is packaging LinuxConf. This software can also take care of the Linux's boot process, but the Debian developers seems don't know about it... :-( Linuxconf has some nice features but it has the serious drawback that it replaces the sysvinit. This would break every single program that needs to be started at boot time. Using Linuxconf would require changing nearly every important package so that they worked with linuxconf's non-standard boot script system. Co-ordinating a massive change like this would be a nightmare...and I do NOT believe that the end result would be worth it - the same or better results can be achieved with far less radical changes to current standards. Well, so, excuse me. Butt the GNU/Linux hackers doesn't like challenges? I think making *all* the softwares compatible with LinuxConf could be not a nightmare, but a very cool hacking development, couldn't it? By the way, Debian is not commercial, so we have very much time to make it work. If the work takes 3 years (!), what's the problem? In this list, I saw someone saying that the nature of Linux is change. So, why not change it? The guys at LinuxConf are hardly working to make their software compatible with RedHat, Slackware and *Debian*. If we, instead of getting in their way, go to help them? But I'm not a Debian developer (for now). So, if you don't want this, I'll not continue to speak about LinuxConf. But that it could be cool, it could! ;-) Alexander Gieg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By: Alexander Gieg E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3222 IRC: AlexG =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There will be a time in which *all* the computers in the Earth will be using Linux! Amen!
RE: Mail list problems??
I am having the same problem as well. Maybe if enough of us say something, something may be done about it. Paul McDermott On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19:29:46 Scott Stanley wrote: Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors Scott, You're not the only one. I'm seeing them here to. Paul
Re: My clock doesn't know how to tell time.
this maybe a silly question, but do you have your clock set to gmt when you installed debian. if you do you will have to change something in your boot file in /etc/init.d. I hope this helps. Paul McDermott Ps. Remember no question is stupid unless is isn't ask. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Peter Iannarelli wrote: Hi everyone: Here comes a stupid question. I have a wacky clock thing happening on by Debian system. Version 2.1.2 it is now currently 6:00 am but by clock says 22:00 or 10:00. My TZ is set to EST5EDT. When I issue the clock command, the system bios clock is read and then the time is correct. Why is this happening? Who is doing it ? Why are they doing it ? Or should I just settle with the concept that time is relative Thanks in advance. Signed,,, Tomorrow never comes.
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wri tes: Look, you don't seem to get the idea here! If you see a NEED, and are so smart to be able to solve the problem for everyone, WRITE IT YOURSELF and submit it to Debian! Furthermore, saying its NOT is the documentation is just totatlly wrong! If you chose NOT to install the HOWTO'S or INFO, thats your problem AND not the guys that put it all together. Have you read the Net and Serial HOWTO'S? OR, GASP! the PPP HOWTO? I did an initial CD-install and hade all docs. The docs is OK (info from my ISP was not) and they helpt me get PPP and even diald up. But I still be stuck if I only hade an flopy install from the 6 base disks! Now when flopyless/1/2/floppy CD install is in reach and 2 floppy install for network gurus the 'pure' flopy install might be expanded with a disk or two? Man utilytys and some basic network and system documentation could give newbes a fair chans. I know I be stranded with the curent flopy install. Nowdays I knowe where to look for info, but the first time I been *REALY* stranded! It's sad the users dont know where to go when they actuly hav *suceded* instaling an *great* system (insert lots of IMHO wherever You se fit). (this list is so *polite* that I, with my limeted english knowlage, hardly daer speek in fear of, by mistake, insult someone. Why is everyone so upset about this subject?) Thanx all, for debian and this great list /Lars
can't install TeX (fwd)
Hi, I will be thankfull for any advice to solve this problem. This is a part of the dselect's output. I have found that 'libXt.so.6' is a link to 'libXt.so.6.0' in /usr/X11R6/lib. Setting up texbin (3.1415-5) ... kpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM manfnt.tfm Running MakeTeXPK manfnt.tfm mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt \/dev/null mf: can't load library 'libXt.so.6' Metafont failed for some reason on manfnt.tfm kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. dpkg: error processing texbin (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of latex: latex depends on texbin (= 3.1415-5); however: Package texbin is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing latex (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ltxtool: ltxtool depends on latex; however: Package latex is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing ltxtool (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: texbin latex ltxtool -- Regards, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030
Re: Procmail recipe.
Heikki Vatiainen typed: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] There's already been a couple of examples here on the list but I thought I'll mail my version too. Here it goes: [...] Here's the version that should work for you: :0: * ^X-Mailing-List: .*debian-user.* $HOME/Mail/deb I tried that and all procmail suceeded in doing was makng my life difficult. I found that the 'From ' that appears at the start of the message was losing or gaining some 'F's (ie FFFrom or rom ). Needless to say, I've turned procmail off. But is it a bug or have I done something wrong. If it is a bug, I'll put a bug in for it. The procmailrc file looks like PATH=/bin:/usr/bin MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail DEFAULT=/usr/spool/mail/csmall LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from :0: * ^X-Mailing-List: .*debian-user.* $MAILDIR/deb - Craig -- // /\ | | | Craig Small VK2XLZ @home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||==||===|==|=| [44.136.13.17] @play: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ \/ | | | finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key!
TO all the PPP inept
Drop your linen and stop your grinen: To all those; and you know who you are, who are whinng about Debian PPP. Ask your self two questions. * What do I know about RFC 1331 or more commonly known as PPP. * What do I know about my ISP. If you can answer these two questions with a little, or a lot or everything, your probably not whinng. To the individual who implemented PPP, you did a good job. Linux is not M$W 95, thank god. If one has ever tried to configure a Cisco, or Alpha (not linux) or SCO box, you know what I mean. There is sufficient documentation in /usr/doc/ppp, and /etc/ppp to answer almost all questions. If there are specific questions concerning who, what, when, where or why, ask away. The ISP is usually not the problem, unless they don't support PPP just SLIP. Remember, unless one has a dedicated link, your IP address will be provided by the ISP following a successful login (most ISP recycle IP addresses). You must specify noipdefault and defaultroute in /etc/ppp/options. If you set a DEFAULT GATEWAY and ROUTE in /etc/init.d/network, unset it. Remember this; If it smells like cologne leave it alone, if it smells like fish eat all you wish. Thank you for your support
RE: My clock doesn't know how to tell time.
To all of us who are experiencing time distortion: First off I don't think its the system, (yea, but really it is) its me and my configuration. Then again maybe is A FEATURE. Cool. Anyway, can someone tell me where there is some documentation on this. By the way I really like the Italian HOWTO. Thank you for your support -- From: Paul McDermott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 1997 3:26 AM To: Peter Iannarelli Cc: 'The debians' Subject: Re: My clock doesn't know how to tell time. this maybe a silly question, but do you have your clock set to gmt when you installed debian. if you do you will have to change something in your boot file in /etc/init.d. I hope this helps. Paul McDermott Ps. Remember no question is stupid unless is isn't ask. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Peter Iannarelli wrote: Hi everyone: Here comes a stupid question. I have a wacky clock thing happening on by Debian system. Version 2.1.2 it is now currently 6:00 am but by clock says 22:00 or 10:00. My TZ is set to EST5EDT. When I issue the clock command, the system bios clock is read and then the time is correct. Why is this happening? Who is doing it ? Why are they doing it ? Or should I just settle with the concept that time is relative Thanks in advance. Signed,,, Tomorrow never comes.
ANNOUNCE: New Logo and Feedback Page for the Debian Logo (v8)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi folks! I just installed the new Debian Logo Page (v8) today. You can have a look at it via http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-logo/ The new page contains 32 new and 12 old logos and uses HTML forms to make it easy for you to tell us your opinion. We collect all the comments we get this way and make a ``feedback page'' out of it. The current version contains 263 comments. Thanks a lot to all that told us their opinion! Thanks a lot to all who submitted a logo so far! Our plans are to have an official logo until the next Debian release. If you think you can make a better logo or have a nice idea feel free to send me your drafts. We have set up an extra mailing list for discussing these issues: debian-publicity@lists.debian.org Our plans are to have a collection of, say 20 nice logos soon, so that we can start an election. Since we don't have much time left we would appreciate it if people would try to improve the old logos instead of making new ones. So if you want, just take on of those old logos, have a look at the comments at the feedback pages and try to improve it. The feedback page for the current logo page (v8) will be released on Sun Mar 9, 1997. The next logo page (v9) will be installed on Sun, Mar 16, 1997, the dead line for logo submittions is 10:00am MET (+0100) this day. Cheers, Chris - -- _,, Christian Schwarz / o \__ [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ! ___; [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / \\\__/ !PGP-fp: 8F 61 EB 6D CF 23 CA D7 34 05 14 5C C8 DC 22 BA \ / http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/ - -.-.,---,-,-..---,-,-.,.-.- DIE ENTE BLEIBT DRAUSSEN! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAwUBMxmPB04c72jvRVaFAQGg4gP+JX8O6t3wQZR7bQXTPEIY+arF9CNwjE01 FC9v4rdqKLqpFx6irIv4TJRCdZd4an0y2c9TvrtmrR/RjRsU7MhJw+mxNVSX1hTE DaFwVY+W9DrHJuVFAD5o58AHmuwQwW4pQRkcfwHAdx2gsaXt9iy9CUrzvkzTLALg +PJaz7fm1WQ= =gna1 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
I can't build kernel; cpp 2.7.2.1-5, gcc 2.7.2.1-5, libc 5.4.20-1, kernel-source-2.0.27-2
I've just installed new cppgcc from unstable, and it seems doesn't work.
E.g.
# cd /usr/src/linux/
# make menuconfig
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts/lxdialog all
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/scripts/lxdialog'
gcc -I /usr/include/linux -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE
-I/usr/include/ncurses -DCURSES_LOC=ncurses.h -c lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
In file included from dialog.h:26,
from lxdialog.c:22:
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:333: parse error before `*'
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:336: parse error before `wchar_t'
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h: In function `mblen':
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340: `wchar_t' undeclared (first use this
function)
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only
once
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340: for each function it appears in.)
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340: parse error before `)'
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h: At top level:
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:345: parse error before `*'
/usr/include/ncurses/stdlib.h:347: parse error before `*'
make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
#
Of course, I can say `make config', but compiling kernel I've got another
serious troubles. I'm not going to show all of them, but main pont is here:
when I try to compile this simple example:
$ cat t.c
#include ctype.h
void main(void)
{
unsigned char *mct=_ctype;
}
gcc complains:
$ gcc -v -o t t.c
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/specs
gcc driver version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 executing gcc version
2.7.2.1
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/cpp -lang-c -v -undef -D__GNUC__=2
-D__GNUC_MINOR__=7 -D__ELF__ -Dunix -Di386 -Dlinux -D__ELF__ -D__unix__
-D__i386__ -D__linux__ -D__unix -D__i386 -D__linux -Asystem(unix)
-Asystem(posix) -Acpu(i386) -Amachine(i386) -D__i486__ t.c /tmp/cca02342.i
GNU CPP version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 (i386 Linux/ELF)
#include ... search starts here:
#include ... search starts here:
/usr/local/include
/usr/i486-linux/include
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/include
/usr/include
End of search list.
In file included from t.c:1:
/usr/include/ctype.h:1: No include path in which to find ctype.h
$
O.k., right ctype.h is in /usr/include/linux, but with previous versions
of cpp and gcc packages I haven't got such troubles. But, it's not all,
if I say gcc -v -I /usr/include/linux -o t t.c, now ld complains
$ gcc -v -I /usr/include/linux -o t t.c
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/specs
gcc driver version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 executing gcc version
2.7.2.1
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/cpp -lang-c -v -I /usr/include/linux
-undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=7 -D__ELF__ -Dunix -Di386 -Dlinux
-D__ELF__ -D__unix__ -D__i386__ -D__linux__ -D__unix -D__i386 -D__linux
-Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(i386) -Amachine(i386) -D__i486__ t.c
/tmp/cca02391.i
GNU CPP version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 (i386 Linux/ELF)
#include ... search starts here:
#include ... search starts here:
/usr/include/linux
/usr/local/include
/usr/i486-linux/include
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/include
/usr/include
End of search list.
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/cc1 /tmp/cca02391.i -quiet -dumpbase t.c
-version -o /tmp/cca02391.s
GNU C version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 (i386 Linux/ELF) compiled by
GNU C version 2.7.2.1.
as -V -Qy -o /tmp/cca023911.o /tmp/cca02391.s
GNU assembler version 2.7 (i486-linux), using BFD version 2.7.0.3
ld -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o t /usr/lib/crt1.o
/usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1
/tmp/cca023911.o -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o
/tmp/cca023911.o: In function `main':
/tmp/cca023911.o(.text+0x9): undefined reference to `_ctype'
$
Any sugestions?
--
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Tula State University | http://www.ocnit.tsu.tula.ru/~growler/
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
I think you all have very good points. I have used 3 different ISPs and had to set them up 3 different ways. I would be lovely if PPP could figure out how to connect to the ISP and what I want to do with it--without me telling it (but thats not FUN). I don't think anyone is saying that PPP is broken, just that it could use a little polish. Until some dear soul has the time and inclination to add to the good work already done, we will have to help each other. I do believe that's why this list exist. And thats all I have to say about that... Gary Lee
Re: can't install TeX (fwd)
Eugene, Try adding /usr/X11R6/lib to your /etc/ld.so.config file and running ldconfig. Hope this helps, Bernt. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Eugene H. Sevinian wrote: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:11:41 +0400 (MSK) From: Eugene H. Sevinian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: can't install TeX (fwd) Hi, I will be thankfull for any advice to solve this problem. This is a part of the dselect's output. I have found that 'libXt.so.6' is a link to 'libXt.so.6.0' in /usr/X11R6/lib. Setting up texbin (3.1415-5) ... kpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM manfnt.tfm Running MakeTeXPK manfnt.tfm mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt \/dev/null mf: can't load library 'libXt.so.6' Metafont failed for some reason on manfnt.tfm kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. dpkg: error processing texbin (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of latex: latex depends on texbin (= 3.1415-5); however: Package texbin is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing latex (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ltxtool: ltxtool depends on latex; however: Package latex is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing ltxtool (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: texbin latex ltxtool -- Regards, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030 -- Bernt T. Hansen NORANG Consulting Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Systems 235 Bellamy Road North phone: (416)431-6216 Analyst Scarborough, Ontario fax: (416)431-2617 CANADA M1J-2L7 ~ We are all worms. But I do believe I am a glowworm. -- Winston Churchill
Re: Mail and News with UUCP over TCP/IP
On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Richard Kettlewell wrote: Stefan Walder writes: I want to use my Linux-Box at home to get mail and news. I'm using my Uni-ISP and i want to have several Email-Adresses (my family). And I don't want to use POP, I think uucp is nicer! So I want to use uucp over TCP/IP! Now my questions: Particularly for multiple addresses it has its advantages, yes. I've some experience of setting it up under SVR4... It works, though `nice' is not a word I'd use l-) I currently get my email via uucp. It wasn't too hard to set up once I became familiar with sendmail. Note that I *don't* use uucp over tcp/ip. 1.) Can I use the email-address [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's really a question for your ISP; they will need to take some action to route mail for whatever domain they give you into your UUCP queue, you can't normally expect to just have things work by choosing the right address format. Agreed. Your ISP has to set up a DNS MX resource record for your machine that points to his uucp host (the one that will be forwarding email to you). He also has to configure his sendmail.cf file to use a uucp mailer for your domain. I recommend the uucp-dom mailer as that will allow you to use Internet style email addresses. 2.) What does I need to get and post news? I think I need suck, but is this sufficient? Depends ... there are a variety of programs with names like `slurp' and `suck' which retrieve news from an NNRP server and (e.g.) inject it into your own news server. They're quite easy to write. You'll need NNTP access to feed news that you post back. I'm assume you'll be running a local copy of INN, though this is not the only way to do it. If you want to do the *whole* thing over UUCP that's possible too, your ISP will set up an outgoing UUCP feed and you must do the same to feed news back. Last time I tried to do this it was too hard so I gave up and just fed news back out by NNTP instead - a good thing I've never had to do it without TCP/IP being available... I too found that it was too much of a hassle running news over uucp, primarily because every time I wanted to change my newsgroup subscription I had to ask my ISP to do it. With suck or another similar package, all the administration is done on your own machine. I personally use C-news as my newsfeed is small and I've had no reason to change to INN. Question for Richard: do you have to have a static IP address assigned to you to use UUCP over TCP/IP? Best regards, Nick -- Nick Busigin Sent from my Debian/GNU Linux Machine[EMAIL PROTECTED] To obtain my pgp public key, email me with the subject: get pgp-key --
Re: Mail and News with UUCP over TCP/IP
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, William Chow wrote: On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Stefan Walder wrote: I want to use my Linux-Box at home to get mail and news. I'm using my Uni-ISP and i want to have several Email-Adresses (my family). And I don't want to use POP, I think uucp is nicer! So I want to use uucp over TCP/IP! Now my questions: 1.) Can I use the email-address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless this is some sort of PPP account, that the university has assigned to you, no. The address also has to be static, not dynamic if you want to get mail reliably. (I do not know of any workarounds, perhaps others know of some for dynamic IP). This is covered extensively in the PPP Howto and Net Howtos. The address can by dynamic if you use straight uucp. (Not sure about uucp over tcp/ip). All that is necessary is that your ISP set up a MX record pointing to his uucp host (the one you'll dial up with your machine). As well your ISP has to set up the sendmail.cf file on his uucp host to use the uucp-dom (preferable, but could use other uucp mailers too) mailer to forward email to you. Hope this helps. Best regards, Nick -- Nick Busigin Sent from my Debian/GNU Linux Machine[EMAIL PROTECTED] To obtain my pgp public key, email me with the subject: get pgp-key --
PPP
Folks, If I can get the time in the next week, I'll write the basics of connecting to a system via 2 methods. 1) A straight login with login and password prompts. 2) a PAP login, like with Win95 where you just dial. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Too much information running through my brain, too much information, driving me insane. -- The Police ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.**
Re: Procmail recipe.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Normally I have something like this in my .procmailrc file: [ ... ] MAILDIR=$HOME/mail/debian LOGFILE=$HOME/mail/log/debian.log :0: * ^Resent-Sender.*debian-announce-request@ debian-announce :0: * ^Resent-Sender.*debian-user-request@ debian-user [ ... ] But at this moment, Debian lists are running without SmartList. So there is no Resent-Sender, no X-Mailing-list, and no X-Loop. Until this is solved, use this instead: (better: in addition to) [ ... ] MAILDIR=$HOME/mail/debian LOGFILE=$HOME/mail/log/debian.log :0: * (^To|^Cc).*debian-announce@ debian-announce :0: * (^To|^Cc).*debian-user@ debian-user [ ... ] Don't know the reason for the rom or FFFrom lines. Can you reproduce the problem? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAwUBMxmjxyqK7IlOjMLFAQGBGwP+I1jNxXGGUjKFgMWqlie6xLJQFkDaOmQR Z2vYqed3UruszIqreSP8/kyAUTansoSe1jIq2bPD0zTVatPwqvqU/k9+xUwt08To ijlB1yWCarEyu1SyuxlApiE6g3Zyf0dBi2bNmpKhrYebpnNFJFmkirDETvz1ZN9N gt2H176Egi8= =rlx8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
On 14:06:41 Gary Lee wrote: I think you all have very good points. I have used 3 different ISPs and had to set them up 3 different ways. I would be lovely if PPP could figure out how to connect to the ISP and what I want to do with it--without me telling it (but thats not FUN). I don't think anyone is saying that PPP is broken, just that it could use a little polish. Until some dear soul has the time and inclination to add to the good work already done, we will have to help each other. I do believe that's why this list exist. And thats all I have to say about that... Gary Lee I do the same thing here. Its pretty simple. Create the proper chatscript and options files with whats needed for those connects, and write a little script to copy them to options/chatscript when needed. Could be a little smarter, to figure out who you want to connect to at some point, but for me thats not neccessary, so I just do it the 'easy' way. Its not pretty, with little buttons and bows, it just works and does the job thats needed. Its no bid deal, really. But these folks that want it all handed to them, and don't care to do anything for themselves, should go along, follow uSlop right over the edge, just like little lemmings. Nuff said! Paul
Re: Mail list problems??
Scott Stanley wrote: Every time I post to the debian user mail list I am getting 5-10 error messages saying the mail could not be delivered. Although, I do get a copy of the mail sent back to me from the list. I am wondering if this is related to the problems with the mail list, or if I am the only one getting these errors Scott Bruce is working on fixing it. At least debian-user and debian-devel seem to have this problem. Look for some receint posts by him with 'mail' in the title. I don't know if he said a time frame. He's just working on it. Enjoy -- Greg.
56k baud modem (x2)
Is the 56kb USR upgrade compatible with linux? I tired of 14.4. :) Thanx -- Greg.
Re: can't install TeX (fwd)
Take a look at the bug archieves for textbin at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/. One of your errors must be that texbin actually depends on mfbasfnt. Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED], West Palm Beach, Florida Signed pgp-key on key server. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Eugene H. Sevinian wrote: Hi, I will be thankfull for any advice to solve this problem. This is a part of the dselect's output. I have found that 'libXt.so.6' is a link to 'libXt.so.6.0' in /usr/X11R6/lib. Setting up texbin (3.1415-5) ... kpathsea: Running MakeTeXTFM manfnt.tfm Running MakeTeXPK manfnt.tfm mf \mode:=nullmode; mag:=1; scrollmode; input manfnt \/dev/null mf: can't load library 'libXt.so.6' Metafont failed for some reason on manfnt.tfm kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. dpkg: error processing texbin (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of latex: latex depends on texbin (= 3.1415-5); however: Package texbin is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing latex (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ltxtool: ltxtool depends on latex; however: Package latex is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing ltxtool (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: texbin latex ltxtool -- Regards, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
It seems obvious to many of us, but not to the real newbie, so why not make the installation program display a large banner before going into dselect that advises the new user to look in /usr/doc. The Debian README for ppp discusses pon and friends at length. Bob At 07:54 PM 3/1/97 PST, CoB SysAdmin (Joe Emenaker) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really not so damn difficult to be honest, but the first time or two it might seem daunting. Why not try to make it less daunting? Is it supposed to be some sort of a rite of passage? Exactly! I keep seeing posts from people who say All I did was 'cat /usr/bin/pon' and went and edited /etc/ppp.chatscript.. Well, tell me, where in the Debian installation guide (ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/disks-i386/current/install.html) does it mention pon (or even ppp for that matter)? In fact, show me where in the installation guide it even makes reference to ANY other document that refers to pon or ppp. This leads to the question: How many hyperlinks deep do I need to go before I find out how to install Debian? Second, why should someone have to cat /usr/bin/pon to find out to edit /etc/ppp.chatscript anyway? I mean, I have to say that the Debian installation routine is so simple it's silly. So why doesn't it just go that one extra yard and ask a simple question like Will this system be connected to the net via a PPP connection? and then let me specify which com port and what the dialup number/login-id/password are? Even the people who claim that ppp was a breeze admit that they had to hunt around a little before they found the right files to edit (either that or they cheated and asked a friend). It's silly. There's no mention in the installation guide that ppp is even included in the base system, or that someone with only dial-in access to the net can use ppp with dselect's ftp method to add new packages. Instead, you get tossed into dselect without even being given the chance to get ppp going for the first time (even if you *did* know the files to edit). Now *that's* intuitive. Don't get me wrong, Debian is great and it's got some really cool features, but those features are not made apparent to a newcomer to the distribution. Here's an example. A buddy of mine in San Francisco recently e-mailed me that he had just installed Debian (his first Linux) and that he needed to know how to read a DOS floppy because he had used Win95 to download some tar'd and gzip'd msql source or whatnot and wanted to copy it onto the Debian machine. I explained to him the Debian packaging system (which he hadn't been made aware of in the docs he read or the install program)... and how he should go get the .deb files and that, when he's feeling brave, he should get ppp going and use dselect. So, he went and ftp'd (with Win95) some deb's and copied them over to the Debian machine and used dpkg to install them. Then, he got gcc and was stuck because it was bigger than a 1.44M. So, I told him that it was time for the rite of passage, that he was going to have to go with ppp and dselect (which, again, he was not made aware of). It took about 3-4 days of e-mails before I got a message from him with the subject I'M ACTUALLY DOWNLOADING WITH DSELECT!. The ordeal shouldn't be such that it would cause him to act like he had won the lottery. I guess my point is that Debian is not doing a good job at embracing the first-time linuxer and probably even the first-time Debian linuxer. As a result, Debian is THE thing to be running as long as you've got a friend who has installed it before who will help point you in the right direction. And it doesn't have to be that way. I'd be glad to help... but in order to, I need at least SOME indication from others that they agree there's a problem here. Up until now, all I've heard is denial. - Joe
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Gary Lee writes: I would be lovely if PPP could figure out how to connect to the ISP and what I want to do with it--without me telling it... That may not be possible without more standardization. It should be possible ot make it easier, though. (but thats not FUN). Fighting with configuration problems is never FUN. Until some dear soul has the time and inclination to add to the good work already done, we will have to help each other. I'm willing to help, but I can't do it myself. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
Andrew Martin Adrian Cater writes: If your friend has email and news: READ THE NEWSGROUPS. Lurk for a week/month or two,so that before you rush in you'll see the FAQ's, see where the problems are. And if he doesn't have net access? And has no friends with Linux? Saying that mailing lists and newsgroups are the solution to all installation problems is tantamount to saying that Windows 95 is necessary to install Linux. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: Mail and News with UUCP over TCP/IP
Question for Richard: do you have to have a static IP address assigned to you to use UUCP over TCP/IP? No, you don't - only the server does. When uucico runs on the client machine, it makes a TCP/IP connection to port 540 of the server machine (which would normally be a machine permanently connected to the Internet). From then on in, the sequence of events is the same as if it had connected by dialing over a modem without an intervening IP stack: the client machine logs into the server in the traditional UNIX way and speaks a UUCP protocol over the connection. There is a potential oddity, depending how things are set up. With the UUCP services run by my employer, if uucico goes in over TCP/IP, the chat script uses only one login/password pair; whereas if it goes in over dialup, there's two - one to authenticate to the Ascend which actually picks up the phone, and one to authenticate to the UUCP server machine. The Ascend just makes a port 540 connection to the UUCP machine, so while it looks like UUCP over dialup to the customer, it appears to be UUCP over TCP/IP to the server. Not that the software cares much either way. (This is also true of PSI UK's service, in fact.) -- Richard Kettlewell http://www.elmail.co.uk/~richard/ [wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba] It was a creepy and surreal morning when they implanted the biochips in the mind of Mohinder Singh. [wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba wubba]
Re: Procmail recipe.
Howdy, I posted my old procmail recipe for debian-user, but I found holes in it after I posted. My new configuration hasn't given me any trouble. Here it is: -Begin- PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/local/bin:. MAILDIR=$HOME/mail DEFAULT=/usr/spool/mail/pryan LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail/from.log LOCKFILE=$HOME/.procmail/lockmail :0 * ^From .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox :0 * ^To: .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox :0 * ^Cc: .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox -End- -Patrick === = Patrick Ryan[EMAIL PROTECTED] [] PGP key in = = http://newhutch.fhcrc.org/Patrick [] web space! = ===
Re: My clock doesn't know how to tell time.
Peter Iannarelli wrote: To all of us who are experiencing time distortion: First off I don't think its the system, (yea, but really it is) its me and my configuration. Then again maybe is A FEATURE. Cool. I had this problem not too long ago, and I fixed it, but can't remember exactly how. It was caused by answering use GMT during setup long, long ago and fixed by changeing /etc/init.d/boot. There's a line in there that says GMT=someting, which if you make it say GMT= and reboot all will be well. Anyway, can someone tell me where there is some documentation on this. By the way I really like the Italian HOWTO. Thank you for your support -- From: Paul McDermott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 1997 3:26 AM To: Peter Iannarelli Cc: 'The debians' Subject: Re: My clock doesn't know how to tell time. this maybe a silly question, but do you have your clock set to gmt when you installed debian. if you do you will have to change something in your boot file in /etc/init.d. I hope this helps. Paul McDermott Ps. Remember no question is stupid unless is isn't ask. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Peter Iannarelli wrote: Hi everyone: Here comes a stupid question. I have a wacky clock thing happening on by Debian system. Version 2.1.2 it is now currently 6:00 am but by clock says 22:00 or 10:00. My TZ is set to EST5EDT. When I issue the clock command, the system bios clock is read and then the time is correct. Why is this happening? Who is doing it ? Why are they doing it ? Or should I just settle with the concept that time is relative Thanks in advance. Signed,,, Tomorrow never comes. -- - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someday soon I really MUST find a way to piss away a LOT of bandwidth on this .sig
X tries to start XIE and PEX but wont
I have just done a clean install from a 1.2.2 CDROM and am having troubles starting X. I got the base system installed, and then installed the X stuff. I selected xbase, xserver-vga16, fvwm2, and xserver-svga for the initaial install. I did allow xdm to set up. upon reboot, I get the nice xlogin widget, and if i enter a bad login it works properly, ie it says improper login. If I login correctly, I get a band of static along the top of the screen and then x restarts and I have the login widget again. A look at the errors on the console identifies that PEX ecxtension not loaded and XIE extension not loaded. I kill xdm with /etc/init.d/xdm stop and try just starting it with startx, same thing. If I just run X, however, I get a blank grey screen with a cursor and no window manager. I tried loading the xext module to fix this but get the same messages. How do I kill this problem, and get X working correctly? Thanks Randy
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
thats intuitive Why can't you guys give it up! ITs not a Debian thing dude! Its compiled into the kernel itself (ppp support). It is NOT a Debian issue! I do agree that someone (how about you?) could make it better by writing something, from your perspective that might help. BUT STOP PUTTING IT ON DEBIAN, OR ANY OTHER DISTRIBUTION! If you want to see more of it, monitor the FreeBSD questions forum sometime! FreeBSD supports two (different) ways of invoking PPP to establish a net link. If you want to do some serious whinning about it, try FreeBSD! Now, quit the bitchin' and get busy putting your ideas down so it will benefit everyone else. Thats the idea here. You guys been bantering this back and forth for over a week now. All the whinin' and cryin' won't make a damn bit of difference. So, knock it off, and put your energy to good use. Or, go somewhere else and bitch. Paul Second, why should someone have to cat /usr/bin/pon to find out to edit /etc/ppp.chatscript anyway? I mean, I have to say that the Debian installation routine is so simple it's silly. So why doesn't it just go that one extra yard and ask a simple question like Will this system be connected to the net via a PPP connection? and then let me specify which com port and what the dialup number/login-id/password are? Even the people who claim that ppp was a breeze admit that they had to hunt around a little before they found the right files to edit (either that or they cheated and asked a friend). It's silly. There's no mention in the installation guide that ppp is even included in the base system, or that someone with only dial-in access to the net can use ppp with dselect's ftp method to add new packages. Instead, you get tossed into dselect without even being given the chance to get ppp going for the first time (even if you *did* know the files to edit). Now *that's* intuitive. Don't get me wrong, Debian is great and it's got some really cool features, but those features are not made apparent to a newcomer to the distribution. Here's an example. A buddy of mine in San Francisco recently e-mailed me that he had just installed Debian (his first Linux) and that he needed to know how to read a DOS floppy because he had used Win95 to download some tar'd and gzip'd msql source or whatnot and wanted to copy it onto the Debian machine. I explained to him the Debian packaging system (which he hadn't been made aware of in the docs he read or the install program)... and how he should go get the .deb files and that, when he's feeling brave, he should get ppp going and use dselect. So, he went and ftp'd (with Win95) some deb's and copied them over to the Debian machine and used dpkg to install them. Then, he got gcc and was stuck because it was bigger than a 1.44M. So, I told him that it was time for the rite of passage, that he was going to have to go with ppp and dselect (which, again, he was not made aware of). It took about 3-4 days of e-mails before I got a message from him with the subject I'M ACTUALLY DOWNLOADING WITH DSELECT!. The ordeal shouldn't be such that it would cause him to act like he had won the lottery. I guess my point is that Debian is not doing a good job at embracing the first-time linuxer and probably even the first-time Debian linuxer. As a result, Debian is THE thing to be running as long as you've got a friend who has installed it before who will help point you in the right direction. And it doesn't have to be that way. I'd be glad to help... but in order to, I need at least SOME indication from others that they agree there's a problem here. Up until now, all I've heard is denial. - Joe
Re: Procmail recipe.
On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Patrick Ryan wrote: :0 * ^From .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox :0 * ^To: .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox :0 * ^Cc: .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox This should be the same as: :0 * ^From .*debian-user* * ^To: .*debian-user* * ^Cc: .*debian-user* debian-user-l-inbox Or you could just use the built in macros ^TO and ^FROM: :0 * ^TO.*debian-user * ^FROM.*debian-user debian-user-l-inbox Since ^TO will match all the addressing mechanisms procmail can check, To:, Apparently-To:, Cc:, and any others it knows about. In fact, the ^FROM should be rather extraneous (and anyway, the debian list server doesn't rewrite the headers the way I like them, so it doesn't do redirects right). --- Elie Rosenblum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) System Administrator, Erol's Internet When Cthulhu calls, he calls _collect_.
Debian Logo (joke)
Two foreigners, George and Nick, are visiting the white dominion of North Pole. This conversation takes place with one Eskimo in his igloo: George: Tell me, my good friend, are there white women in North Pole ? Eskimo: Of course there are. George: And how about black women, are there any? Eskimo: Very few women are black. But, why do you ask? George: How about mixed women, that appear in black AND white, are there any living here ? Eskimo: No strangers, there is no such thing. Then George turns and tells Nick: - And I told you yesterday, we were screwing with penguins... Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED], West Palm Beach, Florida Signed pgp-key on key server.
Documentation - I see squares
In a lot of man pages, and some of the documentation in /usr/doc there are there little squares or cryptic $%^ thingees. I guess that there's something I've missed somewhere... What have/haven't I done? John.
Re: I can't build kernel; cpp 2.7.2.1-5, gcc 2.7.2.1-5, libc 5.4.20-1, kernel-source-2.0.27-2
Hi,
Pardon what maybe a silly question, but do you have libc5-dev
and ncurses-dev installed?
manoj
Alexey == Alexey Naidyonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexey I've just installed new cppgcc from unstable, and it seems
Alexey doesn't work. E.g.
cd /usr/src/linux/ make menuconfig
Alexey rm -f include/asm ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm) make -C
Alexey scripts/lxdialog all make[1]: Entering directory
Alexey `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/scripts/lxdialog' gcc -I
Alexey /usr/include/linux -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE
Alexey -I/usr/include/ncurses -DCURSES_LOC=ncurses.h -c
Alexey lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o In file included from dialog.h:26,
Alexey from lxdialog.c:22:
usr include/ncurses/stdlib.h:333: parse error before `*'
usr include/ncurses/stdlib.h:336: parse error before `wchar_t'
usr include/ncurses/stdlib.h: In function `mblen':
usr include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340: `wchar_t' undeclared (first use
usr this function) include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340: (Each undeclared
usr identifier is reported only once include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340:
usr for each function it appears in.) include/ncurses/stdlib.h:340:
usr parse error before `)' include/ncurses/stdlib.h: At top level:
usr include/ncurses/stdlib.h:345: parse error before `*'
usr include/ncurses/stdlib.h:347: parse error before `*'
Alexey make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory
Alexey `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/scripts/lxdialog'
make *** [menuconfig] Error 2
Alexey Of course, I can say `make config', but compiling kernel I've
Alexey got another serious troubles. I'm not going to show all of
Alexey them, but main pont is here: when I try to compile this simple
Alexey example:
Alexey $ cat t.c
include ctype.h
Alexey void main(void) { unsigned char *mct=_ctype;
Alexey gcc complains:
Alexey $ gcc -v -o t t.c Reading specs from
Alexey /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/specs gcc driver version
Alexey 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 executing gcc version
Alexey 2.7.2.1
usr lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/cpp -lang-c -v -undef -D__GNUC__=2
usr -D__GNUC_MINOR__=7 -D__ELF__ -Dunix -Di386 -Dlinux -D__ELF__
usr -D__unix__ -D__i386__ -D__linux__ -D__unix -D__i386 -D__linux
usr -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(i386) -Amachine(i386)
usr -D__i486__ t.c /tmp/cca02342.i
Alexey GNU CPP version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 (i386
Alexey Linux/ELF)
include ... search starts here: include ... search starts here:
usr local/include i486-linux/include
usr lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/include include
Alexey End of search list. In file included from t.c:1:
usr include/ctype.h:1: No include path in which to find ctype.h
Alexey $
Alexey O.k., right ctype.h is in /usr/include/linux, but with
Alexey previous versions of cpp and gcc packages I haven't got such
Alexey troubles. But, it's not all, if I say gcc -v -I
Alexey /usr/include/linux -o t t.c, now ld complains
Alexey $ gcc -v -I /usr/include/linux -o t t.c Reading specs from
Alexey /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/specs gcc driver version
Alexey 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 executing gcc version
Alexey 2.7.2.1
usr lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/cpp -lang-c -v -I
usr /usr/include/linux -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=7
usr -D__ELF__ -Dunix -Di386 -Dlinux -D__ELF__ -D__unix__ -D__i386__
usr -D__linux__ -D__unix -D__i386 -D__linux -Asystem(unix)
usr -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(i386) -Amachine(i386) -D__i486__ t.c
usr /tmp/cca02391.i
Alexey GNU CPP version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 (i386
Alexey Linux/ELF)
include ... search starts here: include ... search starts here:
usr include/linux local/include i486-linux/include
usr lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/include include
Alexey End of search list.
usr lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/cc1 /tmp/cca02391.i -quiet
usr -dumpbase t.c -version -o /tmp/cca02391.s
Alexey GNU C version 2.7.2.1 Objective-C snapshot 960906 (i386
Alexey Linux/ELF) compiled by GNU C version 2.7.2.1. as -V -Qy -o
Alexey /tmp/cca023911.o /tmp/cca02391.s GNU assembler version 2.7
Alexey (i486-linux), using BFD version 2.7.0.3 ld -m elf_i386
Alexey -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o t /usr/lib/crt1.o
Alexey /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbegin.o
Alexey -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1 /tmp/cca023911.o -lgcc
Alexey -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o
tmp cca023911.o: In function `main': cca023911.o(.text+0x9):
tmp undefined reference to `_ctype'
Alexey $
Alexey Any sugestions?
Alexey -- Alexey V. Naidyonov | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tula
Alexey State University | http://www.ocnit.tsu.tula.ru/~growler/
--
None love the bearer of bad news. Sophocles
Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/
Re: Compiling---svgalib not seen by gnuplot
ma == mhs alad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ma Most problematical, to compile one has to tweak the parameters ma of the makefile, to get gnuplot to use the vga library. No ma problem in the past, but I haven't been able to figure this one ma out. I can get the system to see the svgalib, but the binary ma cannot run in a vga (linux) terminal, unless as root. Any binary compiled with svgalib will need to be installed suid root, since svgalib needs to get access to the graphics I/O ports. It gives up root permission right away though, in the svgalib init call. You shouldn't have had to tweak anything though, unless you're building a.out. Can you be more specific about what error messages you're seeing and such? -Larry -- Larry Daffner| Linux: Unleash the workstation in your PC! [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://web2.airmail.net/vizzie/ Ray's Rule of Precision: Measure with a micrometer. Mark with chalk. Cut with an axe.
Re: X tries to start but wont
On Sun, Mar 02, 1997 at 01:57:40PM -0500, Randy R Dees wrote: I have just done a clean install from a 1.2.2 CDROM and am having troubles starting X. I got the base system installed, and then installed the X stuff. I selected xbase, xserver-vga16, fvwm2, and xserver-svga for the initaial install. I did allow xdm to set up. upon reboot, I get the nice xlogin widget, and if i enter a bad login it works properly, ie it says improper login. If I login correctly, I get a band of static along the top of the screen and then x restarts and I have the login widget again. A look at the errors on the console identifies that PEX ecxtension not loaded and XIE extension not loaded. I kill xdm with /etc/init.d/xdm stop and try just starting it with startx, same thing. If I just run X, however, I get a blank grey screen with a cursor and no window manager. I tried loading the xext module to fix this but get the same messages. How do I kill this problem, and get X working correctly? Thanks Randy I think there is some sort of bug in the x set-up; an easy workaround is to use xinit rather than startx; this works for me. I used my pre-Debian ~/.xinitrc and start X with a shell script which is: #!/bin/sh xinit -- -bpp 16 Hope this helps! BTW, the PEX and XIE extensions aren't needed for normal X sessions; those errors shouldn't keep you from initiating an X session. Larry -- ~~~ Larry Ayers_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ Knox County, _/__/ Missouri_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ~~~
Re: lprm says Permission denied (fwd)
On Mar 2, Craig Sanders wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Scott Stanley wrote: On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, John Goerzen wrote: This is *not* an acceptable fix. Other packages, for isntance Samba, will **NOT** work with lprng. This is nice to know actually, it's completely untrue. samba works very well with lprng. i've got it running on my system, using lprng magicfilter with samba. no problems. it works. Not in my experience. I also tried lprng, magicfilter, and samba. I found the same nonprintable option and turned it off. The Win95 box appeared to print correctly, BUT it could NOT view the print queue, delete sent jobs, etc. With lpr instead of lprng, the Win95 box could do all of that like it is supposed to be able to. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: Debian Logo (joke)
On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Ioannis Tambouras wrote: Two foreigners, George and Nick, are visiting the white dominion of North Pole. This conversation takes place with one Eskimo in his igloo: Well, if this doesn't divert the conversation from PPP, nothing will. ...RickM...
Re: Documentation - I see squares
In a lot of man pages, and some of the documentation in /usr/doc there are there little squares or cryptic $%^ thingees. I guess that there's something I've missed somewhere... What have/haven't I done? On the assumption that you ran into some highlighting or underlining markup, then you might try running your documents through a smart pager that's able to do something reasonable with such things. Try this: export MANPAGER=/usr/bin/less (Of course, this only works if you have the 'less' package installed.) If it works for you, then you might want to put this line into your .bashrc or whatever startup script you use. If the problem is that the documents you're looking at are gzip'd then you'll want to read them with zless, by executing, e.g., zless /usr/doc/man/README.gz Hope that helps. Susan Kleinmann
does anyone mind if I post my ppp output...
Sorry to carry the ppp thing on, but I just can't get it to work with pon. I currently dial in with minicom and evoke pppd manually. Does anyone mind if I post the output from both to see what I'm not doing right? I'll send private if anyone volunteers to have a look. With pon, it dials, connects, sends my user id, my password, says its setting up ppp0--ttyS1 then a buch of ack and recv, but no joy on an ip adress. noipdefault is in my /etc/ppp/options. I can see my request to ack 0.0.0.0, but no reply on what my adress is. My ISP uses BSDI, not sure of the term servers. Could someone help this ppp inept person get his pon working. Save the attitude for someone else though, 'cause I don't think I've ever claimed to be more than I am, and haven't approached this casually. I've read my docs, my howtosand I'm just stumped. I'm sure it is something silly but I can't find it on my own, thats what the list is for, isn't it? Thanks to the fixes for the GMT thing that went by in the last couple of days, I had the same prob. removed the -U from /etc/init.d/boot in the appropriate line and bingo. Sorry to ramble on PS I'm getting error messages from the list too, thought it was me, glad to find out it isn't. whew... and I _did_ see the notice...I feel for ya Brucekeep the faith.. Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 56k baud modem (x2)
Hi Greg -- You asked: Is the 56kb USR upgrade compatible with linux? I tired of 14.4. :) Almost certainly. I use a 56K ISDN 'pseudo-modem' all the time. Even though this box isn't internally the same as the real USR modem you're talking about, the software configuration under Linux would be exactly the same. In other words, my 'pseudo-modem' just connects to the serial port on one side and to an ISDN phone line on the other side. The Linux software has no idea what I've got connected to the serial port, I never made any ISDN patch to the kernel, and use no ISDN utilities or devices. All I did was to use setserial to make the serial port work at high speed. Hope that helps. Susan Kleinmann
Re: lprm says Permission denied (fwd)
On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, John Goerzen wrote: i've got it running on my system, using lprng magicfilter with . samba no problems. it works. Not in my experience. I also tried lprng, magicfilter, and samba. I found the same nonprintable option and turned it off. The Win95 box appeared to print correctly, BUT it could NOT view the print queue, delete sent jobs, etc. With lpr instead of lprng, the Win95 box could do all of that like it is supposed to be able to. a couple of things that might help: 1. check your /etc/smb.conf. Does it have a line like: printing = lprng in the [global] section see man pages for samba and smb.conf - samba has specific support for lprng. 2. check your /etc/lpd.perms - you may not have set up the permissions correctly to allow the win95 box to see the queue and/or delete jobs. craig
Re: Package configuration philosophy
On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Alexander Gieg wrote: Linuxconf has some nice features but it has the serious drawback that it replaces the sysvinit. This would break every single program that needs to be started at boot time. Using Linuxconf would require changing nearly every important package so that they worked with linuxconf's non-standard boot script system. Co-ordinating a massive change like this would be a nightmare...and I do NOT believe that the end result would be worth it - the same or better results can be achieved with far less radical changes to current standards. Well, so, excuse me. Butt the GNU/Linux hackers doesn't like challenges? I think making *all* the softwares compatible with LinuxConf could be not a nightmare, but a very cool hacking development, couldn't it? By the way, Debian is not commercial, so we have very much time to make it work. If the work takes 3 years (!), what's the problem? In this list, I saw someone saying that the nature of Linux is change. So, why not change it? The guys at LinuxConf are hardly working to make their software compatible with RedHat, Slackware and *Debian*. If we, instead of getting in their way, go to help them? Yes, I suppose it *could* be done. But why? WHY change something that works well and has worked well for years to gain features which could be gained without having to make such drastic changes to the system? IMO Linuxconf is good, but not good enough to warrant throwing the baby out with the bathwater. As I said in my last message there are other, less disruptively radical ways of achieving the same results. Change is good. Getting new features with _minimal_ change is better. But I'm not a Debian developer (for now). So, if you don't want this, I'll not continue to speak about LinuxConf. But that it could be cool, it could! ;-) Have a talk with shaya potter, he's already working on it. He would probably appreciate some input/help. Hunt through debian-user or debian-devel for his email address (i can't recall it at the moment) craig
Re: 56k baud modem (x2)
Susan G. Kleinmann wrote: Hi Greg -- You asked: Is the 56kb USR upgrade compatible with linux? I tired of 14.4. :) Almost certainly. I use a 56K ISDN 'pseudo-modem' all the time. Even though this box isn't internally the same as the real USR modem you're talking about, the software configuration under Linux would be exactly the same. In other words, my 'pseudo-modem' just connects to the serial port on one side and to an ISDN phone line on the other side. The Linux software has no idea what I've got connected to the serial port, I never made any ISDN patch to the kernel, and use no ISDN utilities or devices. All I did was to use setserial to make the serial port work at high speed. I'm refering to using the 56k upgrade to their 33.6 modems. It's some kind of driver (not ISDN) for working on regular analog lines. It might be something that reloads EEPROM or such. I'm looking for success and real connect speeds. Sometimes people with 33.6k only get on at 28.8k or 24k. Thanx again -- Greg. PSStill getting the undeliverable messages.
