Re: Why libc6?

1997-11-29 Thread Eric Green
On Tue, Nov 25, 1997 at 04:22:02PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
 I'm certain this has been asked before, but since the search engine
 for the mailing list archive down, please excuse me.
 
 Why?  Why have this enormously difficult and disruptive move from
 libc5 to libc6?  I'm basically unable to install any new .deb packages
 until such time as Debian 2.0 is released, because it would appear to
 be quite difficult to upgrade to libc6 without a CD-ROM, since FTP
 upgrades are tricky over a modem connection.
 
 I'm sure there are advantages to the new GNU libc, but as far as I
 recall no one has explained them on this list.  What advantages does
 the new but incompatible version have, to justify the effort?

From my glibc web page (http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc) the advantages
of glibc 2 over libc 5 and glibc 1:



Thread safe 
  Glibc is now thread safe. Functions with interfaces which prohibit a thread
  safe design (such as strtok) have been reimplemented with a reentrant
  counterpart. The stdio implementation in this version has been rewritten
  to be really thread safe, not wrapped in locks as the libc 5 has been. 

Better scheme for handing name databases 
  The name lookup code has been rewritten to provide a clean and extensible
  way of handling different schemes. 

The math library has been improved 
  The library should be more correct and faster for some functions. 

New functions from POSIX and XPG4.2 
  Several new functions from these standards have been added, and some existing
  functions have been improved to be closer to standards. 

Stable interface 
  This library has been designed so a new incompatible libc interface should
  not be needed in the future. 

Reduced dependency on kernel header files 
  The kernel header files are almost never used for libc. This allows more
  flexible changes in the kernel headers without breaking things. 

Trackable bug report mechanism 
  Glibc uses GNATS for tracking bugs in the library. A glibcbug script
  included in the library distribution provides an interface for reporting
  new bugs. Users can watch the bug database using the www GNATS interface at
  http://www-gnats.gnu.ai.mit.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wwwgnats.pl 

Header files and name space is clean 
  The header files and the name space are now clean. This is necessary to be
  compliant with the various standards. 

One source tree 
  The same source tree with only a handful of individual files is used for
  the ports to i386, m68k, alpha, mips, sparc, and ppc (perhaps some day
  soon even arm). 

64-bit clean 
  Glibc has been improved to take better advantage of the 64-bit Alpha
  architecture. 


Eric


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fetchmail won't connect to port 25

1997-11-29 Thread Stephen K Myers
Greetings All,

I saw a post about this awhile back but I didn't see a response.
fetchmail can't connect port 25 on the localhost.  I get the 
following:

fetchmail: 3.8.0 querying mail.blarg.net (protocol POP3) at Fri Nov 28 15:31:32 
1997
fetchmail: POP3 +OK Cubic Circle's v1.14 1997/04/11 POP3 ready [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3 USER username
fetchmail: POP3 +OK username selected
fetchmail: POP3 PASS *
fetchmail: POP3 +OK Congratulations!
fetchmail: POP3 STAT
fetchmail: POP3 +OK 11 35101
fetchmail: 11 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3 RETR 1
fetchmail: POP3 +OK 2324 octets
reading message 1 (2324 bytes)
fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed
fetchmail: POP3 QUIT
fetchmail: POP3 Hi,
fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from mail.blarg.net
fetchmail: normal termination, status 9

fetchmail can't seem to find the hostname of the localhost. I've tried
the -S host option and that seems to work, but I'd like to know why
it can't find port 25 of the localhost.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.
Steve Myers.


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NFS POP-3 HowTo's?

1997-11-29 Thread Rick Hawkins

I assume these exist.  I read instructions for NFS a couple of summers ago.  
But I can't find them, and the man page for NFS is only instructions for 
/etc/fstab.

Are there HowTo's for these hding somewhere?  I want pop-3 to get the messages 
from another machine (in my office) for the rest of the family over the 
dynamic-ip machine at home, and to mount my own mail directory over pppnfs, 
so that my messages stay on the office machine.  As well as setting up nfs so 
my machine will share a directory to our workstations.

rick



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Re: Why does bash follow symlinks only sometimes?

1997-11-29 Thread bruce
It doesn't understand that /raid/home/blp and /home/blp are the same
directory. Either set your home directory in /etc/passwd to /raid/home/blp,
or put a cd command in your .bash_profile .

Bruce


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Re: Adaptec AHA-2940 (aic7xxx mailing list)

1997-11-29 Thread bruce
The aic7xxx driver in 2.1.65 crashes my system, too. I have a IWILL P54-TS
motherboard with built-in aic7850. I'll have to try the patch with that.

Thanks

Bruce


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free backup tailored for removable disks

1997-11-29 Thread Carl Fink
I've checked the packages via www.debian.org, but all the backup
packages there are aimed either at diskettes or tape drives.  I have a
Zip drive, and don't want to purchase a tape drive.  Conversely, I
don't want to backup a 1.2 gig drive to floppies.

The commercial packages like bru might do it . . . but the two I've
found for Linux are absurdly expensive.  I have no problem buying
commercial software, but when backup software for DOS or Windows or
OS/2 or the Mac is available for $29, I can't justify buying a $100
Linux program.

Someone will say use tar or use afio or use dump.  I might, but
as far as I can tell none of those except tar inherently support
removable disks (multiple volumes).  Tar can do multivolume backups,
but from what I've read if one sector on the disk is corrupted, you
lose the whole backup.

So:  are there any free (or cheap) backup programs for Linux, which by
design support multivolume archives?  

(I kinda miss DOS.  PKZip 2 would be perfect for my job, but
unfortunately the InfoZip ZIP doesn't natively handle multivolume
archives.)

Thanks.
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permissions

1997-11-29 Thread tko
I just moved my Linux to a larger hard drive. Unfortunately, root appears to
own everything. What is the easiest way to fix the permissions? I still have
the original drive that I moved from and can still mount it.

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Re: permissions

1997-11-29 Thread Adam Shand
 I just moved my Linux to a larger hard drive. Unfortunately, root appears to
 own everything. What is the easiest way to fix the permissions? I still have
 the original drive that I moved from and can still mount it.

The easist way is to copy it from the original again and either use 'cp
-a' which will preserve permissions correctly or use tar which will also
preserve permissions correctly.

Becarefull about overwriting /proc and /dev though as that can cause
problems.

eg.

cp -a /old /new

cd /old ; tar cf - . | (cd /new ; tar xvpf - )

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Re: how do I kill samba?

1997-11-29 Thread Paul Miller
On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Adam Shand wrote:

 
  how do I kill samba when it is loaded from inetd? .. smbd doesn't even
  appear on ps -aux unless a service is being used.
 
 If there are no processes running then samba isn't running.  If you would
 like to stop it from running on demand then you need to comment the line
 containing smbd and nmbd from /etc/inetd.conf and restart (or send a SIG
 HUP) to inetd.
 
 Adam.

.. ok, so if I comment out the smbd and nmbd lines in inetd.conf, how do I
stop using port 139? - If I run smbd it says that port 139 is already in
use.


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Re: free backup tailored for removable disks

1997-11-29 Thread Adam Shand
 Someone will say use tar or use afio or use dump.  I might, but
 as far as I can tell none of those except tar inherently support
 removable disks (multiple volumes).  Tar can do multivolume backups,
 but from what I've read if one sector on the disk is corrupted, you
 lose the whole backup.

Yep, use tar :)  We do all of our tape backups with tar and it works
great.  We've never had a problem with restoring.  I believe the really
finicky one is dump not tar, although dump does have some really nice
features for doing incremental backups.  My main gripe with dump/restore
is that last I checked it wouldn't backup a live filesystem... so you had
to drop to single user mode or risk corrupted backups... which ain't so
hot for a 24x7 network.

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Re: how do I kill samba?

1997-11-29 Thread Adam Shand
 .. ok, so if I comment out the smbd and nmbd lines in inetd.conf, how do I
 stop using port 139? - If I run smbd it says that port 139 is already in
 use.

Port 139 is the netbios port (check your /etc/services file if you want to
see), which probably means you already have a nmbd process running which
you need to kill.

If you don't want any of these things and aren't too comfortable with how
it all works just remove samba and reboot:

eg (as root):

dpkg --purge samba
reboot

And that will get rid of all samba related stuff.

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Re: kernel-source-2.0.32...?

1997-11-29 Thread Damir J. Naden
Hi Martin Stromberg; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote:
 
 I haven't seen the kernel-source-2.0.32... package yet. Does anybody know
 where it is?

Any particular reasoning against picking up 'virgin' kernel source from
any of the sites that carry it ( for example ftp.kernel.org)? I've done
that with 2.0.32 a week ago and am a very satisfied with some small
annoyances that were worked out since 2.0.30... Source should be the
same, anyway, even if it is debian ftp mirror.

HTH
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Quantum UDMA Drive Linux

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
Hi, it's me again, is this going through? The reason I ask is because
nobody has answered me or my questions? But I have a Quantum UDMA drive
along with a Gateway2000 UDMA controller card and when I try to insstall
Debian it won't detect any hard drives, or it will detect my internal IDE
zip drive as my only hard drive. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
I really need a fix for it. Any help would be appreciative, thanx.


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Sound question.

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
I have successfully compiled the sound driver with support for my cheap
Ensoniq Soundscape clone (made by Reveal).  This installs fine, and I
have verifyed that I am getting sound output by cat'ing a few .au files
to /dev/audio, and I even picked up the mpg123 player to try out the
Windows95suck.mp3 *grin*..  however, there is one problem and I'm not
sure where to look for the solution.

When playing .au files, the sound will play for about 8-10 seconds
suddenly beccome choppy and then I'll get this error message:

cat: write error: I/O error

Also, when using mpg123, it plays each 2 seconds of sound like 6 times
before moving on to the next 2 seconds.  

This is REALLY annoying, as the output sounds correct.  I imagine this
to be some sort of buffering problem.. but I don't know where to look.

The sound buffer is set to 65535 (the maximum) so I don't see a problem
there.. and yet...

Anyone run across this problem before?


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Re: Quantum UDMA Drive Linux

1997-11-29 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Allen Burns wrote:

 Hi, it's me again, is this going through? The reason I ask is because
 nobody has answered me or my questions? But I have a Quantum UDMA drive
 along with a Gateway2000 UDMA controller card and when I try to insstall
   ^^^
I take it this is some kind of nice proprietary IDE controller? If so you
are going to need to find out if Linux has a driver for it or if there is
some way to coax an existing driver into supporting it.

Maybe phone up Gateway and ask them if they can tell you if it will only
work in Windows? 

Jason


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Re: Quantum UDMA Drive Linux

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
At 08:18 PM 11/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
[snip]

 along with a Gateway2000 UDMA controller card and when I try to 
   ^^^
I take it this is some kind of nice proprietary IDE controller? 

[snip]

The man says Ultra Direct Memory Access and my HD is a Quantum UDMA, so I
guess that I need the board? The UDMA man also says that it supports E/IDE
so I guess it is a all in one type thing? Thanx for the info.


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Xlock questions

1997-11-29 Thread David S. Zelinsky
I have some questions related to xlock:

1. In `xlock -mode random', one of the modes is the Linux logo.  It is (I
think) supposed to bounce around the screen.  Instead, it just sits there, and
also seems to stop the `random' rotation of modes.  Why does this happen?  Is
there a fix?  I looked at the current bug reports for xlockmore, but didn't
see this listed.  I've got: XLock version xlockmore-4.02.1.

2. I'd also like to know how to request that mode (the Linux logo) directly.
Is it an `-imagefile'?  If so, where is it?  I couldn't find it anywhere,
except in the xlockmore source pacackage (which I don't keep on my system).
Is it compiled in to the xlock binary?

3. I can't seem to get `-mode image' to work.  I tried:

xlock -imagefile FILE -mode image

with FILE in each of several formats (xpm, xbm, ras, gif).  For the xpm file,
xlock said unrecognized format, despite the explicit mention of XPM in the
man page.  For the others, I just got a blank screen.  What's the trick?

4. Is there a way to get xlock to activate itself automatically, after a
specified amount of idle time?  If not, is there some other screen saver that
will do this?  Or some utility that can be used in conjunction with xlock?

Thanks.

-David

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svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.

1997-11-29 Thread Paul Miller
This happens when a regular user runs a graphics program out of X - such
as squake... How can I fix this? 

svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.

Thanks

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Re: I need help setting up X

1997-11-29 Thread tko
Shaleh writes:
 
 The problem is that X believes that all the mode defs are bogus, so it
 throws them out.  There is no entry left that supports anything other
 than 640x480 8bpp, when it is thru.
 

When this happened to me, I had not properly defined the capability of my
monitor. Try re-doing the monitor section.

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Any librarians around?? :)

1997-11-29 Thread Dana M. Epp
Can anyone recommend a good ORA type book(s) on IP masquarading and
Firewalls in conjunction with Debian with, if possible, full title, ISBN
and data of publication. Would really appreciate it.

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diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread David Stern

Hi,

I'm trying to cut down my online time and would like to use diald, 
however everytime I wish to follow a link in my browser (netscape) to a 
webpage that is cached, diald fires up a ppp link.  I prefer to only 
reload webpages manually, so I setup netscape to never reload webpages 
automatically.  If diald weren't running, the pages would load 
instantly, but instead I have to wait for the ppp link to come up and 
then for a response, assuming the line is not busy or inoperative..

So I want to use diald, but I cannot allow diald to fire up a ppp 
connection when the page is already sitting on my hard drive.   I'm not 
sure if this is a browser setting, a diald setting, or if I need some 
kind of caching software, but I don't see any information like this 
anywhere, maybe because I don't know what I'm looking for. :-)

Would somebody please steer me in the right direction?

David Stern


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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
David Stern wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to cut down my online time and would like to use diald,
 however everytime I wish to follow a link in my browser (netscape) to a
 webpage that is cached, diald fires up a ppp link.  I prefer to only
 reload webpages manually, so I setup netscape to never reload webpages
 automatically.  If diald weren't running, the pages would load
 instantly, but instead I have to wait for the ppp link to come up and
 then for a response, assuming the line is not busy or inoperative..
 
 So I want to use diald, but I cannot allow diald to fire up a ppp
 connection when the page is already sitting on my hard drive.   I'm not
 sure if this is a browser setting, a diald setting, or if I need some
 kind of caching software, but I don't see any information like this
 anywhere, maybe because I don't know what I'm looking for. :-)
 
 Would somebody please steer me in the right direction?
 
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The problem in this situation is that Netscape will always attempt to
access the remote server that the pages rely on when you click a link,
whether or not you have the page locally in the cache, or have to option
on to never check for updates on the page.

Most browsers do this.  

Why?  Anyone's guess.  

My guess? Because it automatically tries to resolve the domainname in
preparation for an actual read, which in turn causes diald to fire up.

Solution?  At best whatever you or others come up with will be a hack
since the problem is with Netscape and not diald.


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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread David Stern
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:29:15 EST, Wintermute wrote:
 David Stern wrote:
  
  I'm trying to cut down my online time and would like to use diald,
  however everytime I wish to follow a link in my browser (netscape) to a
  webpage that is cached, diald fires up a ppp link.  I prefer to only
  reload webpages manually, so I setup netscape to never reload webpages
  automatically.  If diald weren't running, the pages would load
  instantly, but instead I have to wait for the ppp link to come up and
  then for a response, assuming the line is not busy or inoperative..
  
  So I want to use diald, but I cannot allow diald to fire up a ppp
  connection when the page is already sitting on my hard drive.   I'm not
  sure if this is a browser setting, a diald setting, or if I need some
  kind of caching software, but I don't see any information like this
  anywhere, maybe because I don't know what I'm looking for. :-)
  
  Would somebody please steer me in the right direction?
 
 The problem in this situation is that Netscape will always attempt to
 access the remote server that the pages rely on when you click a link,
 whether or not you have the page locally in the cache, or have to option
 on to never check for updates on the page.
 
 Most browsers do this.  
 
 Why?  Anyone's guess.  
 
 My guess? Because it automatically tries to resolve the domainname in
 preparation for an actual read, which in turn causes diald to fire up.
 
 Solution?  At best whatever you or others come up with will be a hack
 since the problem is with Netscape and not diald.

Isn't there some kind of cache software, though?  I don't know what 
it's called, but it caches webpages locally, and won't querry the 
remote server unless the page isn't in the cache?  What is it called?  
Would it work?



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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
 
 Isn't there some kind of cache software, though?  I don't know what
 it's called, but it caches webpages locally, and won't querry the
 remote server unless the page isn't in the cache?  What is it called?
 Would it work?

Well you forced me to pick my brain.. so you asked for it..

http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/version-1.3/user.html
An offline web browser tool that works with several browsers, caches
pages, and marks links that you want to go to (but are not cached) for
later retrieval, and other cool stuff. (Says it works with Netscape too)

http://www.isg.de/visualweb/invisible_e.html
Automates the downloading of web pages from a web site.  (Sorta like a
crawler in some respects) the economical way to browse the web --taken
from the banner of the web page.

Give these guys a go.  The former option even intrigued me...


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Re: svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.

1997-11-29 Thread Olivier THARAN
On Sat, Nov 29, 1997 at 12:49:32AM -0500, Paul Miller wrote:
 This happens when a regular user runs a graphics program out of X - such
 as squake... How can I fix this? 
 
 svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.

You need to make your program setuid root (because svgalib wants access to
the video, keyboard and mouse, and only root can have this), so :

# chown root squake
# chmod 2755 squake

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X Windows

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
Ok I know that this is a really stupid question but I am new so please bear
with me, thank you. First I would like to say thanx to all the ppl that
helped me get debian on my system, adn to all the others out there that
have a Gateway2000 that debain won't install on: It is your promise ultra
card, get rid of it. Thanx guys.

Ok now my stupid question: How do I get X windows up and running on my
system? full instructions would be appreciated, thanx in advance.


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Re: K6 and Debian (and heatsinks)

1997-11-29 Thread liiwi
  
  Most CPU fans I've seen come with a pad of conductive [something] which
  goes between the processor and the heatsink.  I would think that something
  like this would be essential, given that the surfaces are probably not
  perfectly flat (on a nano scale).
 I think it's more a case of sheer laziness. The thermal grease doesn't
 come with the heatsink/fan combo, so has to be purchased seperately, and
 applied.

 It's not laziness, it's more like criminal negligence (my limited english 
shows here, 
 but you'll get the idea). If a shop that build the machine says it doesn't 
matter, then
 I question their professionality. 

 At work, if we happen to see a tube of thermal grease, we'll apply some,
 but we don't break our necks looking for it or anything.

 You can get a tube of it from almost any shop that sells electronic components
 (chips etc.) - at least here in Finland. It costs about 45 FIM = about 9 USD 
and
 lasts for about 40 machines. 

 If you want to try - put your finger on a bare processor ( 486DX33) and power
 on the machine with some load on the cpu and see how long you can keep it 
there ;-)

 Note: some Cyrix etc. chips stay almost cool until they start to do something. 

 Within a month I've seen 4 fried processors. Two of them were because faulty 
 regulators on the motherboard and two were normally clocked *without* anything
 between the processor and heatsink. Heatsinks were good. 

 A fried cpu is not always just dead. I've seen one that made funny things with
 interrupts, and that was hard to diagnose. 

--j 'liquid hydrogen for the processor' ;-)







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Re: permissions

1997-11-29 Thread tko
Adam Shand writes:
 
  I just moved my Linux to a larger hard drive. Unfortunately, root appears to
  own everything. What is the easiest way to fix the permissions? I still have
  the original drive that I moved from and can still mount it.
 
 The easist way is to copy it from the original again and either use 'cp
 -a' which will preserve permissions correctly or use tar which will also
 preserve permissions correctly.
 
 Becarefull about overwriting /proc and /dev though as that can cause
 problems.
 

Actually, I did have to put the drives back to original configuration and
re-copy the root partition into the new drive. I retained various messages
about methods which could be used. The following two worked correctly:

(for my /var partition after mounting the new replacement on /mnt)
cd /var; cp -a * /mnt

(for the new root partition mounted on /mnt using a working system as source)
cd /;find . -path './mnt' -prune -or -print | cpio -dump /mnt

I then 'rm -r *' the contents of the /mnt/proc  /mnt/var directories since
they would become mounting points for the future working system. After
clearing those directories, I did a 'shutdown', swap of drives, fixed CMOS
settings on power-up, booted via rescue floppy, and ran LILO. Now I have
breathing space 8-)

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Re: Mounting CDROM

1997-11-29 Thread tko
david.j.jasper writes:
 
 I have recently installed Linux, and am having trouble locating the device 
 name 
 of my cd. I see, in the boot up, that the cd is detected, but do not see the 
 device name.
 Does anyone know how I can locate this?
 
 Dave

OK, what sort of drive is it? (IDE, SCSI, etc.) Some hints:
1) read /usr/doc/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO.gz zless /usr/doc/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO.gz
2) IDE based drives are usually mounted as an entire drive, Like /dev/hdb or
/dev/hdc
3) If you have SCSI, look for /dev/sr0 or /dev/sr1
4) Propietary drives, look for devices in the cdrom group.

As to what actual designation is to be given to your CDROM drive, that will
depend on how your hardware is arranged. ok?

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IP Masq Resource

1997-11-29 Thread Kevin Traas
I haven't been able to reach http://ipmasq.home.ml.org today at all - and,
of course, the list of mirrors is on that site as well So much for fault
tolerance

Anyone know of an available mirror of this site?

Thanks,
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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Kevin Traas
Another option for Linux is Squid:  
http://squid.nlanr.net/Squid/FAQ/FAQ.html

Later,
Kevin

 Isn't there some kind of cache software, though?  I don't know what
 it's called, but it caches webpages locally, and won't querry the
 remote server unless the page isn't in the cache?  What is it called?
 Would it work?

Well you forced me to pick my brain.. so you asked for it..

http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/version-1.3/user.html
An offline web browser tool that works with several browsers, caches
pages, and marks links that you want to go to (but are not cached) for
later retrieval, and other cool stuff. (Says it works with Netscape too)

http://www.isg.de/visualweb/invisible_e.html
Automates the downloading of web pages from a web site.  (Sorta like a
crawler in some respects) the economical way to browse the web --taken
from the banner of the web page.

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Re: bash syntax

1997-11-29 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Stephen Zander wrote:

 Eloy A. Paris wrote:
  Witold Grabysz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  : the following phrase doesn't work in bash:
  : ((ls);(ls))
  : Why? Is it not allowed by the shell syntax or there is a bug in it?
  
  Yup, you're right; it's probably a bug. This does work:
  
  ( (ls);(ls))
  
  Try changing the definition of the helper in Netscape to follow the
  above syntax.
 
 No, there's no bug in bash. ((expr)) indicates that arithmetic operations
 should be performed a la let x=i+1.  Try this
 
   let i=5; while ((i0)); echo $i; let i-=1; done
 
 The fix is right how ever; you need to disambiguate the expression.

You missed out the do:

let i=5; while ((i0)); do echo $i; let i-=1; done

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Re: awe64 problem!

1997-11-29 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Nov 27, 1997 at 09:28:15PM -0500, Benoit Joly wrote:
 hi,
 
 i have some prob with my awe64...
 
 i compiled my kernel with sb16 support irq 5, dma 1, hdma 5, ...
 
 (i looked in my windows for these settings, so it's supose to be good)
 
 and when i boot i can only see:
 
 sound init started 
 sound init finish
 
 so i suppose that's because my card is pnp, and then ran 
 isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf (from pnpdump)...
 
 but when i do cat /dev/sndstat
 
 my card doesnt seems to be detected in audio section
 
 what's wrong??

Many things. First, sound should be compiled as module (did you), because
you have first to start isapnp. Then you have to use the awe32 patches to
the kernel for awe64^H^H32 support.

Please see the Soundblaster AWE (mini) HOWTO at sunsite, in your doc/HOWTO
directory or at:
http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/soundblaster.html

Thank you,
Marcus

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Re: make-kpkg ??

1997-11-29 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 11:15:35AM -0800, tony mollica wrote:
 There have been some posts on rebuilding the kernel that mention the
 kernel-package.deb package, make-kpkg and non-debian kernel source or
 packages.  I have been successfully rebuilding my kernels, but only from
 a debian CD with no 'outside' sources.  Now I would like to upgrade from
 2.0.30 to 2.0.32 (from www.linux.org) and I see that the original source
 should be 'debianized' with 'make-kpkg' in the source directory.  Could
 someone enlighten me on the reason for this, the procedure and what this
 does, exactly.

You can use kernel-package to build a kernel-image-deb and to use a
kernel-source-deb (even to build a kernel-header-deb), but you only need to
build a kernel-image.deb to recompile and install the new kernel.

Just go for it, no  need to wait for the debian sources, or to build a
kernel-source-package (it would not contain any additional information).

It could be useful to make dpkg less ignorant about your kernel-source,
though.

Marcus


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ppp

1997-11-29 Thread STeaLTiNG1
I need to know how to set up my modem to start my ppp files so that i could
be dial up , could u help me... 
Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: X Windows

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
Allen Burns wrote:
 
 Ok I know that this is a really stupid question but I am new so please bear
 with me, thank you. First I would like to say thanx to all the ppl that
 helped me get debian on my system, adn to all the others out there that
 have a Gateway2000 that debain won't install on: It is your promise ultra
 card, get rid of it. Thanx guys.
 
 Ok now my stupid question: How do I get X windows up and running on my
 system? full instructions would be appreciated, thanx in advance.
 

So that snippet I sent you helped a little?

As for X, first off tell me how far you've gotten already.


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Re: Linux, a MicroSoft product? (fwd)

1997-11-29 Thread Chad D. Zimmerman
On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote:

 Pancho Horrillo wrote:
  
  IS THIS TRUE?
  I really NEED to know
  I hope is simply a joke
  
  thx
 
 
 It's totally bogus.  I almost detect a bit of the recently passed
 controversy over the Linux patent dispute.

Wouldn't say bogus.  It is a humors SPAM article.  Someone had a lot of
free time.  Have to admit it was reaaly well written.  Should put it up on
my humor site.

Chad
 
 Linux is an will remain a free operating system with ultimate power
 resting in the hands of its users and no one person alone.  This post is
 hooey.  It's also not that humourous, so I imagine someone created it
 just to get a rise out of Linux users.
 
 Legal authority over Linux resides presently with Linus Torvalds, and I
 don't see that changing any time in the near or distant future.
 
 'Sides.. the boys at Microsoft wouldn't know where to begin even if they
 WERE interested in controlling Linux... ;D
 
 
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Re: bash syntax

1997-11-29 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Witold Grabysz wrote:

 Remco van de Meent wrote:
 
  On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Witold Grabysz wrote:
 
   : the following phrase doesn't work in bash:
   : ((ls);(ls))
   : Why? Is it not allowed by the shell syntax or there is a bug in it?
   :
   : It is a little important for me, because it is how the Netscape 4 spawns
   : an external helper:
   : ((gv temp_file.ps);(rm temp_file.ps))
   :
   : In tcsh it works, however I cannot force Netscape to spawn processes in
   : tcsh.
 
  bash-2.00 introduced this 'feature' of not-working indeed. Upgrade to 2.01
  and everything will be fine again.

 not everything is fine. I have done according to your advice: got bash-2.01
 source and compiled it.
 Netscape works now, but when a non-privileged user run startx, there is a
 message:
 
 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
 Error:Cannot open compiled/server-0.xkm to write keyboard
 description
Exiting

This just happened to me, but I was also playing with XkbDisable (for
wabi) at the same time. Plus, I an startx once as root (which I never have
tried before).

Anyway, I changed the permissions of /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/compiled/ to
777 and seems well again.

...RickM...



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Re: fetchmail won't connect to port 25

1997-11-29 Thread emaziuk
On Fri, Nov 28, 1997 at 04:43:38PM -0800, Stephen K Myers wrote:
 Greetings All,
 
 I saw a post about this awhile back but I didn't see a response.
 fetchmail can't connect port 25 on the localhost.  I get the 
 following:
... 
 reading message 1 (2324 bytes)
 fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed

I don't have the source to 3.8.0, but the problem is in that line
above.  Feel free to UTSL and find out where it occurs.  ;)
It looks like some library call used to return your host name
before and it doesn't now (assuming fetchmail stopped working
after you upgraded some other packages, like it did here).

Anyway, new versions of fetchmail require that you explicitly
specify the host to deliver to, so you might as well start getting
used to it.  ;)
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run-parts /etc/cron.daily (HELP!)

1997-11-29 Thread Udjat the BitMeister...

Ieee! Whats going on here??? I just did the latest update in hamm BTW.
Thanks for the help in advance!

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 06:53:03 -0800
From: Cron Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.

  Electric Fence 2.0.5 Copyright (C) 1987-1995 Bruce Perens.
^G

-Eric (Thanks!)


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Re: Using Netscape's mail functions

1997-11-29 Thread Paul Miller
On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Randy Edwards wrote:

I'm running Netscape 4.04 with bo and have been having some trouble
 getting Netscape's internal mail to work.  I've set Netscape's preferences
 to use its internal movemail function and have chmod'ed my
 /var/spool/mail/redwards subdirectory to 01777 like Netscape recommends. 
 However, I still get permission denied errors.

I think it wants to make a lock file in /var/spool/mail, try setting this
directory to 1777..

-Paul


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Packages available for expert maintainers or newbies

1997-11-29 Thread Christoph Lameter
The following packages need some work to be done and I dont get around to
do it. They need someone with expertise:

knfsKernel NFS tools (Difficult to build under libc6) (experimental)
omirr   Online Mirror Tool (Difficult to build under libc6)

debmake Important package building tool. Backward compatibility important.
Numbers of open issues I have not had time to deal with.

cipe   (unreleased) encrypted IP Tunnel.

dhcpd   DHCP Server (integration with new SO_BINDTODEVICE) feature
outstanding.

fvwm95  Configuration files need a rework

Other available packages also for new maintainers:

bridge/bridgex Briding tools for 2.0.X/2.1.X kernels
automount   Floppy automounter
beroSimple Mailing List 
bible-kjv   The classic english Bible
bonnie  IO performance tester
debsums Check md5sums of packages
defrag  Defragmenter
freefont/sharefont Fonts for X11
jailICMP logger
jered   Editor
le  Editor
mserver Modem Server
smb-nat SMB Services analyzer
optimizer   Optimize Assembly code
pftpFTP client
sftpFTP client
poppassdEudora etc POP Password change daemon
suidmanager Manages special permissions
syslinuxBoot loader for Debian Disks
worklog Log times on projects
xfstt   TrueType Font Server for X11
zmailer SuperHigh Performance Mailer

Conditions for takeover:

Upload with your maintainer name in it within 14 days.


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Re: ppp

1997-11-29 Thread DebianUser
In a message dated 97-11-29 10:47:48 EST, you write:

 I need to know how to set up my modem to start my ppp files so that i could
  be dial up , could u help me... 
  Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ag, you killed your email address in the message. Regardless

First off you cannot be using aol as the ISP. (Now that thats out of the
way)

Go grab the ppp howto from http://www.linux.org and follow the instructions.
If you run into a problem then give us the details on what happened. (Log
files, etc.).
A couple things to remember. Make sure your kernal has networking and ppp
support compiled in (SLIP as well if you want to use DialD). Follow the
HOWTO's instruction on what needs to be changed/added to the configuration
files.


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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Martin Bialasinski
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote:

  Isn't there some kind of cache software, though?  I don't know what
  it's called, but it caches webpages locally, and won't querry the
  remote server unless the page isn't in the cache?  What is it called?
  Would it work?
 
You want a proxy server.

 http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/version-1.3/user.html
 An offline web browser tool that works with several browsers, caches
 pages, and marks links that you want to go to (but are not cached) for
 later retrieval, and other cool stuff. (Says it works with Netscape too)
 
I use this one (it is a debian package as well). Works flawless. I use it
with Netscape.
wwwoffle knows two modes: online and offline mode.

When you are in offline mode, it won't trigger diald for pages which are
in it's cache and if you request a page which is not cached, it will
remember that page for fetching (recursive fetch possible).

These are the basics. More infos on it's man page. 

Ciao,
Martin


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squake/multiplayer

1997-11-29 Thread Paul Miller
when I'm playing multiplayer quake (1.09) I can't move forwards or
backwards.. I can in single player mode..  My opponents are win95 tcp/ip
with quake 1.06.. is there an incompatibility?

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Re: K6 and Debian (and heatsinks)

1997-11-29 Thread Rick Hawkins

frank wrote,
 Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

  They work wonderfully.  I have a k6-166 running at 210/83
  quite happilly. However, it needs some cooling at this
  speed; until i get something more than this cheesy $2 fan,
  I need to keep the side off to compile (but not at
  166/66).

  How is the heatsink (between the fan and the CPU,
 right?) attached to the CPU?  Are you using heatsink
 compound (thermal compound, heatsink grease) between
 the heatsink and the CPU?

I used a $2 tube of heat sink compound from radio shack.  And, for the moment, 
an audio cassette tape to prob up the fan, as it slides down (board is upright 
in the tower).

I just added a second case fan, blowing down from the top half of the case, 
and this with a cheesy fan now seems to be enough--I closed the case, and it's 
done a couple of kernel compiles so far.  It seems that the front case fan 
isn't doing much--it doesn't seem to blow much air at all, but then it's 
partway blocked from it's mounting hardware, and really doesn't have a good 
source to draw from.  Maybe I'll move it to the top  of the case to blow more 
air in.

Hmm, now that I'm stable at 210/83, maybe I should play with voltage and go 
for 250 :)


  Does anyone have any experience with this?  In
 the old days, voltage regulators and power transistors
 and such hot-running ICs usually were not just attached
 to their heatsinks bare, but were smeared with
 heatsink/thermal compound first in order to provide better
 heat transfer than a bare connection would provide.

yes, do this.  It was the difference between running stably and not.

 
  However, I have gathered that the typical CPU
 heatsink is just put on bare.  Is this just laziness
 on the part of assemblers or is there some legitimate
 reason to think the heatsink compound is not needed
 with CPUs?

Laziness. It should really be there.  It makes a better thermal connection.

rick



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Re: X Windows

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
[Snip]
So that snippet I sent you helped a little?

As for X, first off tell me how far you've gotten already.


Well acctually what I ended up doing was getting rid of my promise ultra
controler card and pluging my HD into the mother board. Did that and every
thing worked fine. As far as X as I have xbase.deb Xlib6.dev and two
servers, I got the one that SHOULD work with my graph. card and I also
downloaded the SVGA generic server, I did this on a MSDOS (this is msdos
because I don't have linux up and running on the i.net yet.) zip disk and
used (in dselect) the unmounted filesystem option or something like that.
It said that it installed but I couldn't find X Setup or anything. Thanx


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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread David Stern
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:56:07 EST, Wintermute wrote:
  
  Isn't there some kind of cache software, though?  I don't know what
  it's called, but it caches webpages locally, and won't querry the
  remote server unless the page isn't in the cache?  What is it called?
  Would it work?
 
 Well you forced me to pick my brain.. so you asked for it..
 
 http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/version-1.3/user.html
 An offline web browser tool that works with several browsers, caches
 pages, and marks links that you want to go to (but are not cached) for
 later retrieval, and other cool stuff. (Says it works with Netscape too)

This is probably better than what I was asking for because it looks 
like it's specifically tailored for the diald use, just as I wanted.

What I was thinking about was tailored for isp's who have bandwidth 
issues, thus probably a good bit more work to administer because it's 
tailored for commercial use.

 http://www.isg.de/visualweb/invisible_e.html
 Automates the downloading of web pages from a web site.  (Sorta like a
 crawler in some respects) the economical way to browse the web --taken
 from the banner of the web page.

I considered this crawler idea, but I don't think it quite suits my 
needs, even if it comes close, though I'm not sure about that, so I'll 
keep it in mind.
 
 Give these guys a go.  The former option even intrigued me...

Those are pretty cool, I'm glad I asked you to pick your brain. :-)  I 
think I'll give that wwwoffle a try.

Another idea I thought of would be to put diald in normal/off mode with 
an alias or if I wanted to get fancy I could make a clickable afterstep 
dock button which changes colors depending on which mode diald is in.  
Originally I discarded this idea because it requires interaction, which 
seems to make diald pointless. However it might be good to have both a 
normal/off button and wwwoffle. That way I could use diald the way I 
want under ideal conditions and toggle diald normal/off as dialing 
conditions dictate.

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Re: X Windows

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
Allen Burns wrote:
 
 [Snip]
 As far as X as I have xbase.deb Xlib6.dev and two
 servers, I got the one that SHOULD work with my graph. card and I also
 downloaded the SVGA generic server, I did this on a MSDOS (this is msdos
 because I don't have linux up and running on the i.net yet.) zip disk and
 used (in dselect) the unmounted filesystem option or something like that.
 It said that it installed but I couldn't find X Setup or anything. Thanx

Well for one thing, if you are ever going to install any Debian packages
whatsoever, I would recommend using either dselect, or in a case where
you don't have net access, or a local distribution media, go to the
debian web page and get the packages from their package section (which
sad to say has been down lately).  The reason for this is that it will
automatically tell you what other packages you will need for the install
(dependencies).

Now on to the meat... if you have everything installed, you might try
running as root...

/usr/sbin/xbase-configure

and then ...

/usr/bin/X11/xf86config

Be sure to read the instructions in xf86config carefully, as most
problems with X come from incorrect values specified for monitor
capabilities and card types.


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Re: squake/multiplayer

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
At 05:54 PM 11/29/97 +, you wrote:
when I'm playing multiplayer quake (1.09) I can't move forwards or
backwards.. I can in single player mode..  My opponents are win95 tcp/ip
with quake 1.06.. is there an incompatibility?


With my experience Win95 TPC/IP in quake is EXTREAMLY slow, it is probably
just lag, happens to me on my Win95 box ALL the time.


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ls for anonymous ftp

1997-11-29 Thread M. W. Blunier
Is there a package that provides an ls with statically
linked libs, or a package that will set up the ~ftp
heirarchy so that anonymous ftps can use ls?

Thanks
Mark
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Re: ls for anonymous ftp

1997-11-29 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, M. W. Blunier wrote:

 Is there a package that provides an ls with statically
 linked libs, or a package that will set up the ~ftp
 heirarchy so that anonymous ftps can use ls?

Wu-ftp has a script to set up the libraries.  I think it's called
makeftpuser or something (look in /usr/sbin, I'm not at my box now).

Brandon


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Re: ls for anonymous ftp

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
M. W. Blunier wrote:
 
 Is there a package that provides an ls with statically
 linked libs, or a package that will set up the ~ftp
 heirarchy so that anonymous ftps can use ls?
 
 Thanks
 Mark
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having trouble getting ls to work with anonymous ftp users..?

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Re: X Windows

1997-11-29 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 Now on to the meat... if you have everything installed, you might try
 running as root...
 
 /usr/sbin/xbase-configure
 
 and then ...
 
 /usr/bin/X11/xf86config
 
 Be sure to read the instructions in xf86config carefully, as most
 problems with X come from incorrect values specified for monitor
 capabilities and card types.

... and if that fails - download and install vga16 server and run
XF86Setup utility.

Alex Y.


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Various configuration issues

1997-11-29 Thread Michael
Hello,

I purchased Debian 1.3 a couple of weeks ago (with donation) and I
installed once already.  I mucked things up a little and reinstalled. 
My first linux was SLS, then Slackware, then Redhat, and now Debian.  I
like the Debian philosophy so I'm going to stay with it.

My first configuration issue is installing Netscape Communicator.  On my
previous install I used netscape's install script but I'd like to do it
via dpkg so the software will be registered with the system.

I already have the communicator tar file, I need a .deb file and
instructions on how to make dpkg install it.

The second thing I'd like is to be able to mount my DOS vfat drives
(/mnt/c /mnt/d) so that user michael has rwx permission for the drives. 
I want to do this so that when I run netscape I can configure it to use
my Win95 Netscape files.  Does that work?

The third thing is that when I run pon as root everything is fine.  But
when I run it as michael I get permission denied on two of the /etc/ppp
scripts.  I think it is the out script and the chat script.  I did add
michael to PID in the /etc/groups file(pid:x:michael or something like
that, does x mean no password?)

And lastly, I need a program that lets me adjust my XFConfig file while
the server is running (S3 805 chip).  I need to adjust my screens
diminsions a little because when I adjust it via monitor controls it
mucks up some of the Win95 adjustments.


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Using Dselect With ZIP drives

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
I have download most of the debian packages off of their website (time,
time, time) and I have put them on a ZIP disk, the problem that I get is I
will run dselect and when I got to install it says Skipping deselected
package XXX Can somebody please tell me what directory structure I need
for this? Thanx


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Re: Using Dselect With ZIP drives

1997-11-29 Thread Allen Burns
I think I figured it out. I have been downloading the packages stright to
my HD and then copying them to my ZIP drive (on another comp) then I take
the ZIP drive and use it to run the packages, I think that I just haven't
copied those packages yet. What I did was put the packages file in the root
dir and then just copy the folder names to the root dir e.g.:

ZIP-100-
|
Packages
|
admin
|
x11

I think you get the idea, do you think this should work?


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Re: Various configuration issues

1997-11-29 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 I purchased Debian 1.3 a couple of weeks ago (with donation) and I
 installed once already.  I mucked things up a little and reinstalled. 
 My first linux was SLS, then Slackware, then Redhat, and now Debian.  I
 like the Debian philosophy so I'm going to stay with it.

Hi.

What philosophy is it? :)

 The third thing is that when I run pon as root everything is fine.  But
 when I run it as michael I get permission denied on two of the /etc/ppp
 scripts.  I think it is the out script and the chat script.  I did add
 michael to PID in the /etc/groups file(pid:x:michael or something like
 that, does x mean no password?)

You have to add yourself to the groups dialout and /or dip.

 
 And lastly, I need a program that lets me adjust my XFConfig file while
 the server is running (S3 805 chip).  I need to adjust my screens
 diminsions a little because when I adjust it via monitor controls it
 mucks up some of the Win95 adjustments.

xvidtune does what you like. Except you would have to modify your
XFConfig file yourself based on the output of this utility.

Good luck.

Alex Y.

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Re: Using Dselect With ZIP drives

1997-11-29 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 I think I figured it out. I have been downloading the packages stright to
 my HD and then copying them to my ZIP drive (on another comp) then I take
 the ZIP drive and use it to run the packages, I think that I just haven't
 copied those packages yet. What I did was put the packages file in the root
 dir and then just copy the folder names to the root dir e.g.:
 
 ZIP-100-
 |
 Packages
 |
 admin
 |
 x11
 
 I think you get the idea, do you think this should work?

Actually, you don't need all those admin/editord/x11 etc. directories,
just  

ZIP/

   main/
Packages.gz
*.deb
   contrib/
Packages.gz
*.deb
   non-free/
Packages.gz
*.deb
*Make sure you have all those Pakages.gz files*

Hope this helps.

Alex Y.

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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
David Stern wrote:

 development group seems to have dried up just before caldera took it
 on, but I'll do what I can to make old ties, and maybe even see about
 WindowMaker-izing it (WindowMaker stole most of the AfterStep
 development group).


Thanks, I did not know this.. I wondered why it was becoming harder and
harder to find afterstep stuph out there.  Maybe I'll switch my desktop
to WindowMaker.  
 
 One problem which I'm encountering right now is that wwwoffle wants
 glibc6, and I've been taking the moderate approach to upgrades, i.e.:
 the latest stable.  So, I'm thinking of running a squid version since
 wwwoffle requires glibc6, but there's a squid version that'll use 5.  I
 like glibc6, I just don't want the pains of an unstable release, even
 though I have room for a spare distro on my hd.
 

Sometimes you might be surprised at what you can do by compiling the
program yourself.  The gimp .99.15 package in the Debian distribution
claims it needs libc6, but if you get the source distribution yourself
you will find it compiles just fine under libc5.

This may also be the case with wwwoffle.  To be honest, wwwoffle sounds
to be the more intelligent solution anyways.


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Re: Adaptec AHA-2940

1997-11-29 Thread Torsten Hilbrich
Matthew Tebbens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yup, found it !
 I'm using 2.0.32
 
 I re-compilied the kernel, added support and everything seems to
 work just fine. I still have to add my external scsi drives at
 a later time I think the following Warning message is related
 to that.. ?
 Thanks again for the help!
 
 kernel: aic7xxx: Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter at PCI 11 
 kernel: aic7xxx: Warning - detected auto-termination.  Please verify driver 
 kernel:  detected settings and use manual termination if necessary. 
 kernel: aic7xxx: BIOS enabled, IO Port 0x5000, IO Mem 0x8000, IRQ 11, 
 Revision B 
 kernel: aic7xxx: Wide Channel, SCSI ID 7, 16/16 SCBs, QFull 16, QMask 0x1f 
 kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 4.1/3.2 
 kernel: scsi : 1 host. 
 kernel: scsi0: Scanning channel A for devices. 
 kernel: scsi : detected total. 

There should be a message telling either that termination is ON or OFF.

aic7xxx: Cables present (Int-50 YES, Ext-50 NO)
== aic7xxx: eprom not present, brdctl_int=0xac, brdctl_ext=0x6c
== aic7xxx: Termination ON
aic7xxx: BIOS enabled, IO Port 0xe400, IO Mem 0xfafd, IRQ 9
aic7xxx: Extended translation enabled.
aic7xxx: Single Channel, SCSI ID 7, 16/16 SCBs, QFull 16, QMask 0x1f
aic7xxx: Resetting channel A

On my system the auto termination on a AHA 2940 works correctly.  If
you have an external SCSI device connected and the termination is
still ON you should manually configure your SCSI host-adapter to
termination off.  I wonder that the above lines didn't appear in your
message log at all.  I used dmesg to display them.

Torsten

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XFree86 SVGA server has a problem...

1997-11-29 Thread Jeff Alami
I've had quite a few problems using XFree86 on my Debian installation. I
have a K6-233 with 64MB SDRAM and a Matrox Millenium II video card. I
was told to upgrade XFree86 to 3.3.1 to get Millenium II support.
After that, X was working fine, but would only load the VGA16 server; I
wanted better resolution. So I was told to edit my /etc/X11/Xserver file
to put SVGA where VGA16 was. Then I loaded X and the server would load,
quit back to text mode, and I would see errors like 'X server error: you
do not have permission to load this server. I tried changing it back to
VGA16, to no avail. What's going on?


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Video capture boards and Linux

1997-11-29 Thread John Goerzen
Does Debian/Linux support any video capture boards?  If so, what
software is needed and what boards are supported?

Thanks,
John

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Re: K6 and Debian (and heatsinks)

1997-11-29 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  A fried cpu is not always just dead. I've seen one that made funny things 
 with
  interrupts, and that was hard to diagnose. 

This is why I always put heatsink goop on the chip, without it the
heatsink/fan doesn't do much. The problems you can get from an overheating
processor are varied and can be quite subtle. I'd rather not have some odd
problem because someone decided 0.10$ worth of thermal compound was too
much trouble.

Basically, if the tempurature of your chip is higher than the tempurature
of the heat sink you are in trouble. I've seen heat sinks with what
appears to be ductape on the bottom (It isn't though) and that doesn't
seem to do much of anything.

Be sure to realize that some Pentium chips dissapate ~20 watts of power,
that's ALOT of heat, the chip can go from room tempurature to untouchably
hot in about 20 seconds! If you have a Cyrix chip then be sure to use
set6x86 to enable the power saving mode, it will keep the chip cooler than
a Pentium if your machine is mostly idle.

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Re: damn identity crisis

1997-11-29 Thread Fred Leeflang


On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Bob Nielsen wrote:

 On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Paul Miller wrote:
 
  A few weeks ago about three nice people from the Debian-user list helped
  me out with setting up  fixing my DNS server, which I am very thankful.
  Unfortunately I am now having problems with IRC which may or may not be
  related. 
  
  When I try to connect to an IRC server, I get 'no authorization' errors
  because my system sends my IP instead of the hostname...  It does the same
  for all the machines that IP Masquerade through me.
  
  On my system, I use ircii, epic, and kirc which all give the same results.
  On the machines using masquerading, I use mirc (win95).. same results.
  
 
 Are you loading the ip_masq_irc.o module? 
 
 Bob

Try nslookup on your system, but *also* try a reverse lookup, to see if
the IP address maps back to the same hostname. If this doesn't work, IRC
servers won't accept you I believe.

Fred


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building twin

1997-11-29 Thread Rick Hawkins

There was some discussion about this a couple of months ago, but with a 486, 
as well as a configuration that let me play with it without compiling, I 
didn't follow everything.

Now I'm trying to build it, and during configure get:|

checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no
checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... (cached) no


which packages should these be in?  (I'm running hamm).

I've searched on alta vista and on the twin page for references to debian  
twin, and for ldnet in an appropriate context, but no dice.

rick



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Re: Various configuration issues

1997-11-29 Thread Martin Bialasinski
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Michael wrote:

 My first configuration issue is installing Netscape Communicator.  On my
 previous install I used netscape's install script but I'd like to do it
 via dpkg so the software will be registered with the system.
 
 I already have the communicator tar file, I need a .deb file and
 instructions on how to make dpkg install it.
 

The install wrapper is in /hamm/non-free. As you have a CD, it won't have
the developement tree. Get it from a debian ftp-mirror.
Once you have it, copy the communicator tarball to /tmp and install the
netscape-wrapper debian package.

dpkg -i netscape*.deb

 The second thing I'd like is to be able to mount my DOS vfat drives
 (/mnt/c /mnt/d) so that user michael has rwx permission for the drives. 
 I want to do this so that when I run netscape I can configure it to use
 my Win95 Netscape files.  Does that work?
 
Mounting is no problem.
Add this (as one line) to your /etc/fstab and it will be done automaticaly
during boot.

/dev/hda1   /mnt/c  vfat 
rw,nodev,noexec,uid=0,gid=103,umask=007,quiet   0   0

I have a group dosdisks with gid 103. This line will allow access only to
users who are in this group.

But I think netscape will search for and save the config in ~/.netscape
and there is no way to change it. Saving the config in ~/.progname is
usually a good thing.

 The third thing is that when I run pon as root everything is fine.  But
 when I run it as michael I get permission denied on two of the /etc/ppp
 scripts.  I think it is the out script and the chat script.  I did add
 michael to PID in the /etc/groups file(pid:x:michael or something like
 that, does x mean no password?)
 
This was answerd by someone else already. This x is because you use
shadow passwords.

 And lastly, I need a program that lets me adjust my XFConfig file while
 the server is running (S3 805 chip).  I need to adjust my screens
 diminsions a little because when I adjust it via monitor controls it
 mucks up some of the Win95 adjustments.
 
Answered already by someone else.

Ciao,
Martin


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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Martin Bialasinski
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote:

  One problem which I'm encountering right now is that wwwoffle wants
  glibc6, and I've been taking the moderate approach to upgrades, i.e.:
  the latest stable.  So, I'm thinking of running a squid version since
  wwwoffle requires glibc6, but there's a squid version that'll use 5.  I
  like glibc6, I just don't want the pains of an unstable release, even
  though I have room for a spare distro on my hd.
  
 Sometimes you might be surprised at what you can do by compiling the
 program yourself.  The gimp .99.15 package in the Debian distribution
 claims it needs libc6, but if you get the source distribution yourself
 you will find it compiles just fine under libc5.
 
 This may also be the case with wwwoffle.  To be honest, wwwoffle sounds
 to be the more intelligent solution anyways.
 
It is worth a try. I have wwwoffle_1.2.de in a backup directory, but it
requires libc6 as well.

So get wwwoffle.dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz from source/

Do dpkg-source -x wwwoffle.dsc
CD into the sourcedir.
./debian/rules binary

Do a quick prayer.

If it worked:
dpkg -i wwwoffle.deb

Ciao,
Martin



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Mailing Lists Archive

1997-11-29 Thread David R Baker
Hello,

For the last couple of days I cannot access the mailing lists archives
at www.debian.org.  Is this a temporary problem, or has something
changed that I have missed?

Thanks.


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Re: Mailing Lists Archive

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
David R Baker wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 For the last couple of days I cannot access the mailing lists archives
 at www.debian.org.  Is this a temporary problem, or has something
 changed that I have missed?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Various configuration issues

1997-11-29 Thread David Stern
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:31:55 PST, Michael wrote:
 [..]
 My first configuration issue is installing Netscape Communicator.  On my
 previous install I used netscape's install script but I'd like to do it
 via dpkg so the software will be registered with the system.
 I already have the communicator tar file, I need a .deb file and
 instructions on how to make dpkg install it.

I think you put the tarballs in /tmp by default, but optionally I think 
you can put both the install package and the tarball in the same 
directory, then install the package, but I've never done it and I don't 
recall where I read that.  I haven't learned the in's and out's of dpkg 
yet either, but you should be able to extract this info from the .deb 
(so you can read it) and then run dpkg without dselect.  I started 
looking at man dpkg yesterday, but got sidetracked.

 The second thing I'd like is to be able to mount my DOS vfat drives
 (/mnt/c /mnt/d) so that user michael has rwx permission for the drives. 
 I want to do this so that when I run netscape I can configure it to use
 my Win95 Netscape files.  Does that work?

I can think of a few reasons this might not be a good idea.  First of 
all, vfat has no permissions, so there are security implications which 
I wouldn't want to open up without more understanding.  Second, it's 
vfat, and I disapprove for ethical reasons. However, all you'd have to 
do to use your bookmarks from vfat would be to automount your vfat 
partition in /etc/fstab, and then make a symlink from your 
$HOME/.netscape/bookmarks.html to your vfat bookmarks. (man ln) 
Previously I've done something similar with /root/.netscape/bookmarks.ht
ml. I doubt you'd want to share the netscape config files because they 
probably contain information which is system and user-specific.
 
 [..]
 And lastly, I need a program that lets me adjust my XFConfig file while
 the server is running (S3 805 chip).  I need to adjust my screens
 diminsions a little because when I adjust it via monitor controls it
 mucks up some of the Win95 adjustments

So you don't just want to configure XF86, you want to fine tune your 
monitor timing.  There's a package with tune in it (xvidtune?).  Use 
the search key in dselect /, enter tune, and \ to repeat the 
search.

I used the XFree86-HOWTO, which goes into great detail about how to 
manually adjust your monitor timing, far beyond the capabilities (for 
safety reasons) of that tune program, but unless you have a lot of 
time on your hands and like math, it might not be what you want.

You might also want to visit your monitor manufacturer's website to see 
if linux monitor timings are posted, many do and if yours doesn't ask 
the webmaster or email the support dept to see if they're available.  
Sometimes monitors are sold under different names, and you may have to 
do some work to find out the real manufacturer.  Sometimes the timing 
information is available in the monitor manual, too (if so, the 
XFree86-HOWTO can help decipher how this should fit into your config 
file, also see the relevant man pages).

David





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Sound problems

1997-11-29 Thread Torsten Hilbrich
I have a SB 32 PnP (SB 16 compatible) and have big problems playing
sound.  If I play sound through nas the output is very stagnant.  .au
files seems to work fine.  I use 2.0.32 and have the awe32 driver
installed.

Does anybody has an idea what could be causing this problem?  The
sound output with windows 95 works fine.

Torsten

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Re: bash syntax

1997-11-29 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Alan Su wrote:

 Rick Macdonald wrote (Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:27:13 -0700 (MST) ):
 |
 | Yup, you're right; it's probably a bug. This does work:
 | 
 | ( (ls);(ls))
 |
 | Try changing the definition of the helper in Netscape to follow the
 | above syntax.
 |
 |I couldn't find anyplace in Netscape (4.04) where this is configurable.
 |Have you been able to change this in Netscape?
 |
 
 Rick is right in this case...you can specify the executable which
 Netscape should use, but the syntax of the command issued to the shell
 is hardcoded.

I finally just got the original bash-2.01.1 source and compiled it. I
replaced /bin/bash and everything seems OK now. The syntax that Netscape
uses works again (it was OK in bash 1.4).

...RickM...



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.32 kernel

1997-11-29 Thread Shaleh
Anyone tried out this kernel?


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fixing an installtion screw-up

1997-11-29 Thread Shaleh
When I installed bo I told it I was on a network.  I am not. Now lprng
will not print becuase it can not find my machine and I get a SIOCARDT
error on boot.  How do I go back to be a stand alone machine?


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Re: building twin

1997-11-29 Thread bruce
I think dnet_ntoa might be related to inet_ntoa, which is in libc and has a
man page. See if the use appears to be the same.

Bruce


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dpkg error :-(

1997-11-29 Thread Vaclav Hula
At home, when I tried to install some non-official package, I got this error:

gzip: stdout: Broken pipe
dpkg-deb: subprocess gzip -dc returned error exit status 1
dpkg: error processing /root/L3263TMP.deb (--install):
 subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /root/L3263TMP.deb

When I tried to install this in my work, it worked well. 
Can anyone help?

 Vaclav'Ax' Hula


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Re: diald cached webpages

1997-11-29 Thread Wintermute
David Stern wrote:

 I've also noticed that since the last Enlightenment release, some of
 the WM and AStep crowd are now switching to E!.  I think this was
 partially because the last release was a major in the development
 cycle, but also partially due to redhat hiring E!'s author, which was
 regarded as a hopeful sign that easier configuration would not be far
 off.  I've heard that the performance and stability is now tolerable,
 but haven't heard anything about it's longstanding functionally
 challenged condition.  E! still uses quite a bit of memory and cpu
 grunt, too.  I guess it's supposed to look so good it doesn't matter.
 There are several new, unique, attractive desktop accompaniments for E!
 now, also.
 
 David

I plan on running E only when I attain more CPU power and a better video
card than the one I currently have.  Afterstep has done me ok on this
particular configuration.. so it's sad to hear that development is at a
stand-still.  However if WM get some stable stuff out there, I might
switch... right now I'm pondering WM and the KDE.  KDE looks like it
could be a very nice integrated desktop (if they pull off all those
apps)...

Anyways.. nice bouncing these ideas off of you..


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Re: fixing an installtion screw-up

1997-11-29 Thread Martin Bialasinski
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Shaleh wrote:

 When I installed bo I told it I was on a network.  I am not. Now lprng
 will not print becuase it can not find my machine and I get a SIOCARDT
 error on boot.  How do I go back to be a stand alone machine?
 
Hi,

look into /etc/init.d/network

Simply set a # before the route and ifconfig commands.

Ciao,
Martin


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