Re: what serve the file in the /dev directory

[Alain Toussaint]

> Those are your device drivers!   BE CAREFUL IN THERE!
> 
> For example, if you have an ide hard disk it is /dev/hda
> 
i do know,i take extreme precaution before making a move there but there's
cryptic devices there who i don't know they're purpose,all who's compiled
in my custom kernel is serial,ide hard drive and ide cd so i know that i
dont touch ttyS* hda and hdb,i removed sd* and lp device (i didn't
compiled these in the kernel),here's the device i'm not sure about they're
definition:

nst*, pty*, hitcd, hwtrap, importbm, jbm, logibm, mcd, st* ( are these an
interface for st506 hard drive), ttyq*, md*, rft*, qscd, xda*, sndstat.

that's nearly all i've found in my /etc directory on the disquette who i
dont know about these.

Alain Toussaint

p.s. the * denote a wildcard,i didn't wanted to write the full name of the
device.



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Re: Hi im Sandra

[Bill Leach]

That is probably true but what I am talking about is that their attitude
toward abuse reported to them _from outside of AOL_ is also strongly
indicative of a responible ISP.

I don't have any idea of how many 'new users' AOL gets on a typically
day but I am willing to bet that the number is large.  I also suspect
that a great many of these people 'signing up' for AOL either don't
actually read the TOS or believe that it is just 'legalise' to be
safetly ignored.  If you have just a few people a week that take such an
attitude and then use one of the 'miracle email programs', as a sysadm
you have your work 'cut out for you'.

I am quite sure that AOL and many of the other 'main line' ISPs are
using email software that looks for possible abuse (hundreds of or
thousands of mailings per session, etc).  This stuff is all a lot of
trouble (and expense) for the ISP but they are doing it.


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> On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Bill Leach wrote:
> 
> : In addition, I have personally received many messages from AOL
> : concerning abuse reports and while I can not prove the assertions, it
> : certainly looks to me as though AOL does try to prevent abuse of their
> : system.
> 
> Of the national providers, AOL is the most proactive against spam.  They
> offer more anti-spam utilities to their users than any other.
> 
> --
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Re: libc6-dev dependencies

[Bill Leach]

Someone else will correct me if I have not really understood this
correctly.  As I understand it, the issue is that the kernel header
files are pretty volatile but that the overwhelming majority of
applications written deal with pretty 'standard' kernel functions.

The header files were 'breaking' the compile for application compiled
against the newer header when 'extensions' had been added to existing
functions.

So the header files were severing two groups of people with
significantly different needs:  The kernel hacker group, needing the
header files that exactly correspond to the kernel in use and the
applications people that want (and need) a 'stable target'.  The
'solution' then, as I understand it, is to periodically choose a
specific set of kernel header files as representative of the series.

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Re: Hi im Sandra

[finn]

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Bill Leach wrote:

: In addition, I have personally received many messages from AOL
: concerning abuse reports and while I can not prove the assertions, it
: certainly looks to me as though AOL does try to prevent abuse of their
: system.

Of the national providers, AOL is the most proactive against spam.  They
offer more anti-spam utilities to their users than any other.

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libc6-dev dependencies

[Matt Thompson]

Why does libc6-dev depend specifically on kernel-headers 2.0.32?  Why
won't 2.0.33 suffice, or kernel-source-2.0.33?  It seems that I should
only have to have one of any of the kernel headers/source packages
installed at any one time.

Thanks,
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what serve the file in the /dev directory

[Alain Toussaint]

Hello
i need to know what serve the files in the /dev directory,it's
because i did some experiment trying to build a boot/root disk set (sort
of rescue disk and a good way to learn about linux),i copied all the files
in the /dev directory to a floppy disk (the root disk in question) using
this method:
   cd /dev
   find . -print | cpio -pmd /mnt/dev

i also copied the needed library for bash ( libreadline.so.2,
libncurses.so.3.0, libdl.so.1 and libc.so.5 ) but now,i lack the space
needed for copying bash,does anyone here know where i can get the
information i need to safely prune the /dev directory without erasing
something important ??

thanks a lot for your help !!

Alain



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Re: jdk1.1-runtime

[Jens Ritter]

Jeff Shilt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   I just downloaded biss-awt_0.87-1 and the web page says there are no
> depends, etc but during installation I found out it needs jdk1.1-runtime.
> Where is this package? Does jdk1.1-dev provide this or should I just
> ignore depends?

See www.jimpick.org

HTH,

Jens


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Re: Hi im Sandra

[Bill Leach]

Let me start by saying that I have no particular love for AOL.  AOL has
proven to be a real PITA for me several times (including necessitating
my putting together a Windoz box to access one of their accounts for
business purposes).

However, having said that, I believe that AOL is a 'responsible' ISP and
even though they have 'more than their share' of problem accounts it is
clear that they do (and have for many years) taken action against
abusers on their systems.  In addition, I have seen (what I think) is a
proportionally large number of email spam messages with an AOL account
or source forged into the headers.

In addition, I have personally received many messages from AOL
concerning abuse reports and while I can not prove the assertions, it
certainly looks to me as though AOL does try to prevent abuse of their
system.



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portslave on hamm

[Tim Sailer]

Has anyone gotten portslave to work on a hamm system? I am using .16
of portslave, and no matter what I do on the hamm box, I get
PAP authentication errors, while an identical bo box (both with 32 ports)
authenticates fine. I'm running cistron's radiusd on both boxes,
and the radtest runs fine against either system...

Tim

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Re: .xsession

[Bill Leach]

I'm sure I dont' understand your question...

>  2) Where can I look for documantation about customizing the X
> windows (not neccesarily the window manager) ?

>  It seems to me that most of the documantation is about the
>  instalation of Xfree86 and the window manager customization.

fvwm2 is, of course the window manager but its' documentation include
customization of the windows appearing on the x-display so managed.

There is PLENTY of documentation about the underlying X system (see
xbooks for example) but that is of little use to most people.

You might want to install and look at the dotfile generator program.  It
has documentation about configuring the behaviour and appearance of
windows on the x-display (just be prepared to experiment quite a bit).

I don't know about question 1 as I have not tried to use that capability
but suspect that there is a parameter in fvwm2's configuration that
determine if 'out of bounds' geometry gets mapped to the 'current' page
or not.


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AWE64, kernel 2.1.91

[Christopher Jason Morrone]

I'm having a little trouble setting up my AWE64.  I've followed
Brinkmann's AWE 32/64 HOWTO and I think I'm close to getting it to work.
I have set up isapnp.conf as suggested, and verified all of the
numbers against those in my win95 drivers.

However, when I boot up, it appears that only the awe_wave modules is
being correctly installed.  Take a look at my /dev/sndstat:

OSS/Free:3.8s2++-971130
Load type: Driver loaded as a module
Kernel: Linux red 2.1.91 #2 SMP Sun Mar 29 04:14:32 EST 1998 i686
Config options: 0

Installed drivers: 

Card config: 

Audio devices:

Synth devices:
0: AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM512k)

Midi devices:

Timers:
0: System clock

Mixers:
0: AWE32 Equalizer

Any ideas?  There WERE a couple things it said to set up in the kernel
that don't seem to exist in 2.1.91, and I'm not sure if that could be the
problem.  Specifically "/dev/dsp and /dev/audio support" doesn't seem to
be in 2.1.x kernels, and "MIDI interface support" is missing too.

Looking forward to any suggestions.


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tin

[Christopher Jason Morrone]

When I try to post an article using tin, I'm getting the message:

Error: Bad charset for non-7bit encoding (must not be us-ascii)

Anyone know why that is?  What can I change us-ascii to that will make
this work?

I need to be able to post to c.o.l.m again. :)


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Re: simple smail questions

[Daniel Martin at cush]

Otavio Exel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> hi all,
> 
> I'm using Debian 1.3 bo with a 2.0.29 kernel; my smail installation is
> preety standard; I have a permanent connection to the internet; smail is
> working fine for most everything here;
> 
> ..but I still have some questions.. see if you can help me, please:
> 
> - I saw a message here stating (not in these words) that "smail is dead;
>   use exim instead"; is it true? I can see that smail is still
>   (according to Debian) the "reccomended MTA for Debian"! note that I'm
>   not spam-asking which one you use! :-)

Well I just switched over to my own hacked version of exim, and I have 
to say that it (now) has almost everything I could want in a mailer.
If my adjustments were cleaner, I'd send them upstream.

> - on the subject of moving files from /var/spool/smail/error to
>   /var/spoll/smail: I did just that yesterday and the files are still
>   there..  I'm afraid my crond is *not* calling runq. how do I make sure
>   runq is beeing called? there is a /etc/smail/crontab but I don't see
>   how crond would find it there..

You shouldn't be moving them to /var/spool/smail/ - you should be
moving them to /var/spool/smail/input/ - and I believe that
/etc/smail/crontab is installed as the crontab for the user mail
during the package install.


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Re: Hi im Sandra

[john]

Norbert Veber writes:
> why the hell are AOL people even allowed to post here?

For the same reason you are: to get help with Debian.

> Besides, its not like you can use aol software in linux, they really have
> no business here.

There is no rule that says that you can only post to this mailing list from
Linux.
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Re: missing /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout libs

[Bill Leach]

Maybe you just need to remove the symlinks.  I notice that my
/usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout directory is empty (hamm).

Randy Edwards wrote:
> 
>When it rains, it pours! :-)
> 
>Does anyone know what package contains the various libraries found
> in /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout?  I'm missing these files for some
> reason and many packages want them!  Right now, all I have are some
> bad symlinks in that subdir.  A grep of /var/lib/dpkg/info doesn't
> show anything and I was wondering what package I'd have to reinstall
> to get those back.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Imlib compilation error

[Christopher J. McNicholas]

First I would like to extend a thanks to all of you who helped me 
with my "imake madness" problem. Since then, I have installed the GNU 
autoconf in the hopes that *it* might work.
At this time, I am having problems at the gdk_imlib "make install".
I get the following two error messages:

gdk_imlib_types.h:7: gdk/gdk.h : No such file or directory
gdk_imlib_types.h:8: gdk/gdkprivate.h: No such file or directory
make : *** [cache.o] Error 1


Does anyone have any idea what I need to do?


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Netscape 4 not working

[Florian Attenberger]

Hi,

X works again (gcc 2.8.1 was a big mistake by me).

Yet I get "Bus Error", when i start netscape.

Maybe this could help to find the error (I don't know anything)

$ldd /usr/lib/netscape/netscape
libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXt.so.6 (0x4000c000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libSM.so.6 (0x4004e000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libICE.so.6 (0x40057000)
libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 (0x4006c000)
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXpm.so.4 (0x4007e000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXext.so.6 (0x4008c000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libX11.so.6 (0x40097000)
libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1 (0x40135000)
libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40138000)
libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5 (0x401f6000)

Thanx so much


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Re: ext2fs resize?

[Torsten Hilbrich]

Waye-Ian CHIEW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm presently trying to shuffle and resize several partitions on a
> disk device without losing data.
> 
> Can the ext2fs resize itself?
> That is, can the filesystem shrink or grow in size to accommondate a
> resized partition?  Is there a tool to do this?

None that I know of.

> Can the ext2fs move itself?  If the whole filesystem is moved up or
> down (relative to the start of the partition), will it still work?

Don't move the filesystem relative to the partition, move the
partition instead.  All operation of a filesystem are done relative to
the partitions start so a relocation within the partition will not work.

If you have some free space or an unused partition you can use either
tar or cp (with the -a parameter) to copy your partitions around, make
room for bigger ones, format them and restore the contents of the
partition back.  BE CAREFUL and if you can create a full backup use
your chance.

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Re: Hi im Sandra

[Norbert Veber]

On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 11:34:05PM -0500, GILLILIGAN wrote:
>  

> From: GILLILIGAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Hi im Sandra
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:22:59 EST
> Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> 
> hi my name is Sandra i am an 18 year old model from Italy..Me and my friends
> made a webpage with our pictures on it...tell me if im pretty..
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/nj/iconz/index.html";>Click here to see our
> pictures

why the hell are AOL people even allowed to post here?  It seems that all
they ever do is spam.  Besides, its not like you can use aol software in linux,
they really have no business here.


 

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More on XDM?

[Carroll Kong]

Hm... i originally thought my wallpaper sucked up all the resources...
but even when I take it off, I cannot run one of my programs in workable color
anymore.  And... it works fine if I xdm to another server aside my own on the
same terminal so it is not the terminal.  I looked into the .Xresources but all
it seems to talk about is how to setup the "login" screen.  Where do I go to
increase color depth allocation per user?  I want to have maximized resources
allocated Thanks in advance guys!

Debian 1.3R6 running XDM-Shadow 


Carroll Kong


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.xsession

[shaul]

$man fvwm2 | grep "xterm -geometry +1000+1000" -B 10
   will  always  show up in the upper-left hand corner of the
   visible portion of the screen.  It is permissible to spec­
   ify geometries which place windows on the virtual desktop,
   but off the screen.  For example, if the visible screen is
   1000  by 1000 pixels, and the desktop size is 3x3, and the
   current viewport is at the upper left hand corner  of  the
   desktop, then invoking:

xterm -geometry +1000+1000
$
I tried to put the line
xterm -geometry +1600+1
in my .xsession, so that I will get an xterm in the 2nd page of my desk.
But it didn't work. The xterm was put in the 1st page.

1) How should I do it ?
2) Where can I look for documantation about customizing the X windows (not 
neccesarily the window manager) ? It seems to me that most of the 
documantation is about the instalation of Xfree86 and the window manager 
customization.


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-I- XDM Works Great.. Thanks!

[Carroll Kong]

Hey thanks a lot guys, XDM is working great.  I just need to make a few
modifications since the remote system's video card can't handle high res and
high color depth so my background looks.. heheh crappy.
Nonetheless, thanks to everyone to helped me out here!


Carroll Kong


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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[ixx \(your favorite desease\)]

it says i do not have some file in err /var/lib/deity/cache/... made my
apt-get or something..???  so i can not get it to run


> > I'll grab a copy and have a look.  Are there any known, serious bugs?
> 
> Well, other than not actually installing packages? :)
> 
> The graphical interface is coming along nicely, but we haven't quite bound
> it to the actual package installation routines (although those are also
> very close to completion).
> 
> Scott 
> (note, I just compile the Deity snapshots and haven't actually contributed
> significant code).
> 


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smail: rsmtp spools all mail

[debian-user]

It seems that after I upgraded smail to 3.2.0.92-3, rsmtp now spools all
mail, i.e. it behaves as if it were called with "-odq".

Is there a way to restore the old behavior of immediate delivery? I
can't find a config option for this. rsmtp also refuses to take the
"-odf" parameter, so a wrapper won't help.

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Heavy X11 and SVGATextMode and SVGAlib error

[Florian Attenberger]

Hi,

I have the latest (very unstable) hamm,frozen,slink - mix installed on my
System.
During theses updates suddenly all Graphical-Systems didn't work any more.

X11 Version 3.2.2:Segmentation fault
SVGAlib:Segmentation fault
SVGATextMode:Dont know (Display crashes totally :- )
XF86Setup: Same as SVGATextMode

My kernel was compiled with gcc 2.8.1 from the debian kernel-package
2.0.33.

I could imagine a Hardware-Error, but Win95 works fine on the this system.
Everything else (Sound, Network ...: no problems)

Thanx a lot for any help

cya

florina attenberger


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missing /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout libs

[Randy Edwards]

   When it rains, it pours! :-)

   Does anyone know what package contains the various libraries found
in /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout?  I'm missing these files for some
reason and many packages want them!  Right now, all I have are some
bad symlinks in that subdir.  A grep of /var/lib/dpkg/info doesn't
show anything and I was wondering what package I'd have to reinstall
to get those back.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Frozen Hamm...

[Carroll Kong]

Still testing the xdm thing, but thanks for everyone's help on it.  (I
got to run to a remote system to test it).
This Frozen Hamm deal is confusing me.  I tried hamm, and I know I am
not nearly as experienced with Linux as alot of people who have tried hamm, so I
got problems left and right with backward compatibility.  Actually now that I
think about ... my problem was only Accelerated X... but Accelerated X is just a
replacement for like XF86_SVGA, right?  The binaries and libs of Xfree86 3.3.2,
if I grab the ones for glibc2 should work fine, right?  Hm... although hamm is
the latest thing, I wonder if it is worth all my effort to try to go to hamm
since a lot of things I use now still seem to use libc5.  I tried glibc2 for a
little bit, performance gains did not seem to significant.
So... basically, I read, Hamm is frozen for testing... does this mean it
IS stable?  Or they are testing it.. if they find bugs, then they will fix it,
then release it?


Carroll Kong

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Oliver Elphick wrote:

> "Stan Brown" wrote:
>   >   I noticed on my local mirror, that some subdirectories called "slin: ar
>   >e being
>   >   created. Is this new, or have I just not noticed it before. What are th
>   >ese for?
>  
> I presume you mean `slink', as in the subject line.
> 
> slink is the next release after hamm; it should now be `unstable', while
> hamm is `frozen'.  When Debian 2.0 (hamm) is finally released, it will
> become `stable' and `frozen' will disappear until it is nearly time to release
> slink.
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Re: Mouse Driver?

[Carroll Kong]

Yes.  Modify your ".xinitrc" and add the line xset m 5 2.  I would
experiment with it.  Do a man "xset" to get all of it.. but basically xset m 5 2
means set the mouse acceleration to 5x and 2 means something about the
deceleration I believe.  Experiement with it.  :)  It is a lot faster than the
default.  


Carroll Kong

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Carl Brown wrote:

> Greetings!
> I am new to Debian & Linux, so I'll be asking lots of dumb questions. In
> Win-xx and OS/2, the mouse movement can be accelerated, so the speed of cursor
> movement is proportional to the speed of mouse movement. It would be an
> especially handy feature in Linux-X with all the virtual destop space.
> gpmconfig or XF86Setup didn't offer me any setting for this. Is there a way to
> do this?
> 
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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Scott K. Ellis]

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Rick Macdonald wrote:

> Scott K. Ellis wrote:
>  
> > The graphical interface is coming along nicely, but we haven't quite bound
> > it to the actual package installation routines (although those are also
> > very close to completion).
> 
> Scott -- are there screenshots somewhere that we can look at?

No screenshots, but there is a snapshot of the program in
project/experimental on the archive.  I expect we'll get screenshots once
we're closer to completion (and someone gets around to it).


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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[Bill Leach]

After you do the 'insmod' then do o a 'cat /proc/modules' and you should
see an entry like:

psaux  11

which indicate that the mouse module is indeed loaded and known to the
kernel.

For gpm to work you need either:
/dev/psaux (or /dev/mouse and a link from /dev/mouse to /dev/psaux).
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# gpmconfig
Configuring gpm (mouse event server):

Current configuration: -m /dev/mouse -t ps2 -r 70
Do you want to change anything (Y/n)? n

Listing of /dev/psaux and /dev/mouse:
bash-2.01$ ls -l /dev/ps*
crw---   1 root sys   10,   1 Mar 28 16:38 /dev/psaux

bash-2.01$ ls -l /dev/mou*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   10 Nov  1 16:53 /dev/mouse ->
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Re: Setting up network on Hamm install

[Ian Lynagh]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Pfaff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>   The Bo install notes say I need to know the following. I assume Hamm
>   will need it too. I have a LAN with Linux (none yet installed) and
>   Win'95 boxes on and will also want to connect to the 'net.
>
>Since you are on two networks (LAN + Internet), your choices will
>depend on whether you have two Ethernet cards in the machine.  If you

I do.

>do have two--one hooked into the LAN, one to the Internet--then you
>configure the LAN card with your LAN IP address, and the Internet card
>with your Internet IP address.  In this case, just make sure that
>you're consistent when you answer the prompts--use either the data
>from the LAN or the Internet, but not a combination.

So what do I put for my domain name for my LAN?

Thanks
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Re: netstd_3.03 problem, KDE problem

[Bill Leach]

The 'normal' default for dpkg is "--force-overwrite".  This is disabled
in hamm (frozen) currently to make detection of just the sort of error
that you encounted easier to find.

Check the bug list and report if it is not already there.  You can use
dpkg --install --force-overwrite  or you can go through
the 'access' selection again and choose to enable the force overwrite
for dselect.


Randy Edwards wrote:
> 
>I'm in the process of updating my hamm system and while installing
> netstd_3.03-1 I get the following error message:
> 
> trying to overwrite '/usr/man/man8/ftpd.8.gz', which is also in
> package wu-ftpd
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> 
>Could someone give me a clue as to what's happening and now to fix
> it?
> 
>Also, is there a problem with the KDE desktop package?  It seems to
> give some dependency errors but yet I'm working off from the latest
> listing at ftp.debian.org.

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Re: Best Book for Linux/Unix

[wtopa]

Mike

  Of the dozens of Linux/Unix books I have, one of the best is "A
Practical Guide to Linux" by Mark Sobell.  It is NOT distribution
specific but has more General info the the others. Over 1000 pages
packed with information.  Try www.bookpool.com for Very Nice prices.

Wayne
 

Subject: Best Book for Linux/Unix
Date: Sat, Mar 28, 1998 at 10:13:42PM -0600

In reply to:Mike Acklin

Quoting Mike Acklin([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
>   What is the best book to learn Linux/Unix as for overall basics. I
> am not into programing yet, but would like to learn as much as I can about
> running a system. Like how to set my system for every day use. Editing the
> ..bash_profile to make it usable. How to set up at and crontab. Directory
> sturctures, etc, and I know the list could go on.
> 
>   I have heard some people talking about O'Reily and Associate's
> Bible. What exactly is this book. What is the name of the actual book.
> There are so many books out, I don't know which one to get. I was wanting
> to learn what all is available for this system.
> 
>   Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Mouse Driver?

[wtopa]

Carl

  Check out the man page for xset.  Option m handles mouse functions
you can set.

HTH  Wayne


Subject: Mouse Driver?
Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 at 10:25:00AM -0500

In reply to:Carl Brown

Quoting Carl Brown([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> Greetings!
> I am new to Debian & Linux, so I'll be asking lots of dumb questions. In
> Win-xx and OS/2, the mouse movement can be accelerated, so the speed of cursor
> movement is proportional to the speed of mouse movement. It would be an
> especially handy feature in Linux-X with all the virtual destop space.
> gpmconfig or XF86Setup didn't offer me any setting for this. Is there a way to
> do this?
> 
>   /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\-\
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> 
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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[aqy6633]

> My mouse is a standard Microsoft PS/2 Intellimouse connected to an
> almost new Dell Dimension D266.  It connects to a small round 6pin
> socket which I assume to be a serial mouse port.

Nope, this is not a serial port.

> As root, I tried 'insmod psaux' which executed, but produced no
> response.  I then typed '/dev/psaux device' which produced 'Permission
> Denied'.  '/dev/psaux' produced the same.

No. While inastalling X or gpm you should tell coniguration program that
your mouse using /dev/psaux device, and the protocol is ps2.
The simplest way would be to exit from X, "dpkg --purge gpm",
then install "gpm" package. It will ask you questions about the device 
on the protocol of the mouse. 

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Re: Design of Debian web site

[George R]

On 03/28/98 at 09:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth L. Summers) said:

>> Hi!
>> 
>> The last times I visited the Debian web site I had to realize that it is
>> not very impressing concerning design and structure. Especially in
>> design the sites of FreeBSD, The GNOME Project, KDE, Red Hat, etc. have
>> a lot more to offer.

>I would have to disagree.  I like it the way it is.  It is simple,
>elegant, and I don't have to search through five screens to find what I
>want.  As for professional:  I've seen plenty of "professional" sites
>that are cluttered, take *way* to long to download, and are hard to use.

>I would agree that a little more color and contrast might be nice (it is
>pretty white), and a unified structure (i.e., banners that match on every
>page, etc.) is a good thing.  But I have to think that the basic
>structure is pretty good the was it is.

>But I am glad somebody still looks at these things :)

Well, when I was trying to decide FreeBSD or Linux and which version to
start using, I looked at all the web sites.

I chose Debian for 2 reasons:

1) a Debian user took the time to explain the major differances between
FreeBSD and Linux giving the best features of each.  He was objective
about it, no Holy War discussion.

2) the Debian page wasn't a Windows page.  I didn't have to wade through a
dozen pages to get what I wanted.  It loaded quickly.  I didn't have a
bunch of little page sections that didn't fit my browser screen.  It
didn't need a Windows95 browser to be best viewed.

The Debian page seemed more interested in giving me usefull information
than blasting me with javascripts, animations, and graphics by the ton. 
That made me feel Debian could stand on it's own; it didn't need all the
flash and glitter to make an impression.

my $0.02

George

I would like to thank M$ and IBM for combining FUD and incompetent
marketing to kill the best desktop GUI to date.  Hence, forcing me to
switch to Linux/*BSD tommorrows ideas today.
 

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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[John Wingfield]

Alex,

My mouse is a standard Microsoft PS/2 Intellimouse connected to an
almost new Dell Dimension D266.  It connects to a small round 6pin
socket which I assume to be a serial mouse port.

As root, I tried 'insmod psaux' which executed, but produced no
response.  I then typed '/dev/psaux device' which produced 'Permission
Denied'.  '/dev/psaux' produced the same.

The exact error I got when trying to install a mouse driver from the
Debian installer right at the beginning was:

/lib/modules/2.0.29/misc/psaux.0: init_module: Device or resourse busy

Installation failed

Thanks for you help so far - do you have any more ideas?!


John


In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Yukhimets
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>> When I was installing Debian (which should be the latest version - I
>> received the CD only recently) I was given the option to install mouse
>> support in the kernal.  I attempted to do so, but this produced a
>> "device in use" error or something similar.
>> 
>> I have no objections to reinstalling Debian (I have done so twice
>> already) but this error always occurs.
>
>You don't have to reinstall Debian for that. (It won't help much anyway).
>The truth is that there are quite a few "mouse drivers" in the menu you
>mentioned. What kind of mouse do you have: serial or busmouse?
>If busmouse - is it PS2 or some other type? Please tell us as much as you
>know about it. If you don't know the answer even to the first question, 
>tell us what kind of plug the mouse have - round or not?
>
>Anyway, my guess would be that you have a ps2 mouse. In this case
>just do (as root) "insmod psaux". If it works, then you should use
>/dev/psaux device to configure X or gpm (and ps2 protocol).
>
>Alex Y.
>

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netstd_3.03 problem, KDE problem

[Randy Edwards]

   I'm in the process of updating my hamm system and while installing
netstd_3.03-1 I get the following error message:

trying to overwrite '/usr/man/man8/ftpd.8.gz', which is also in
package wu-ftpd
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)

   Could someone give me a clue as to what's happening and now to fix
it?

   Also, is there a problem with the KDE desktop package?  It seems to
give some dependency errors but yet I'm working off from the latest
listing at ftp.debian.org.

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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Rick Macdonald]

Scott K. Ellis wrote:
 
> The graphical interface is coming along nicely, but we haven't quite bound
> it to the actual package installation routines (although those are also
> very close to completion).

Scott -- are there screenshots somewhere that we can look at?

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ttf Fonts and debian

[Peter Shtinkov]

Can I use my TTF fonts from win95 to X (Debian 1.3) ?


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Re: Mouse Driver?

[aqy6633]

> Add "-a X" (where X is some number) to the append line in gpmconfig to
> accelerate the mouse when using gpm.
> 
> Don't know about X, sorry.

I know :)

While in X, execute the following comand: "xset m 4 3"
   Acceleration --^ ^--if you move it for
the distance of 3 pixels faster than certain time.
Do "man xset" for complete explanation.

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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[Bill Leach]

John is probably right (insmod psaux).

Where exactly did the 'device in use' message show up?



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Re: Mouse Driver?

[James Troup]

Carl Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It would be an especially handy feature in Linux-X with all the
> virtual destop space.  gpmconfig or XF86Setup didn't offer me any
> setting for this. Is there a way to do this?

Add "-a X" (where X is some number) to the append line in gpmconfig to
accelerate the mouse when using gpm.

Don't know about X, sorry.

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Re: What are the "slink" sundirecrories all about?

[Oliver Elphick]

"Stan Brown" wrote:
  > I noticed on my local mirror, that some subdirectories called "slin: ar
  >e being
  > created. Is this new, or have I just not noticed it before. What are th
  >ese for?
 
I presume you mean `slink', as in the subject line.

slink is the next release after hamm; it should now be `unstable', while
hamm is `frozen'.  When Debian 2.0 (hamm) is finally released, it will
become `stable' and `frozen' will disappear until it is nearly time to release
slink.

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Mouse Driver?

[Carl Brown]

Greetings!
I am new to Debian & Linux, so I'll be asking lots of dumb questions. In
Win-xx and OS/2, the mouse movement can be accelerated, so the speed of cursor
movement is proportional to the speed of mouse movement. It would be an
especially handy feature in Linux-X with all the virtual destop space.
gpmconfig or XF86Setup didn't offer me any setting for this. Is there a way to
do this?

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Re: exmh and procmail filtering

[Oliver Elphick]

"Oliver Elphick" wrote:
  >Erik van der Meulen wrote:
  > ...
  >  >Could anyone send me an example of a .procmail file for use with exmh?
  >
  >This is my ~/.procmailrc:
  >
  >MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
  >LOCKFILE=$HOME/procmail/lock
  >LOGFILE=$HOME/procmail/new
  >LOGABSTRACT=all
  >TRAP=$HOME/procmail/postprocess

I forgot to add the postprocess file, whose job is to update the unseen
sequence so that exmh will highlight messages you haven't read yet:

#! /bin/bash

# Update the unseen sequence in MH
cd $HOME/procmail
mpaths=`awk '/Folder:/{print $2}' new`
for mpath in $mpaths
do
mpos=`echo $mpath | awk -F/ '{print NF-1}'`
folder=`echo $mpath | cut -d/ -f1-$mpos`
msgno=`echo $mpath | awk -F/ '{print $NF}'`
seqf=$HOME/Mail/$folder/.mh_sequences
newseqf=$HOME/Mail/$folder/.mh_sequences_new
touch $seqf

if grep unseen: $seqf >/dev/null
then
sed "/^unseen:/s/\$/ $msgno/" <$seqf >$newseqf
mv $newseqf $seqf
else
echo unseen: $msgno >>$seqf
fi
done

cat new >> log
rm new

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Re: Best Book for Linux/Unix

[Anthony Fok]

--- Begin Message ---
On Sat, Mar 28, 1998 at 10:13:42PM -0600, Mike Acklin wrote:
>   What is the best book to learn Linux/Unix as for overall basics. I
> am not into programing yet, but would like to learn as much as I can about
> running a system. Like how to set my system for every day use. Editing the
> .bash_profile to make it usable. How to set up at and crontab. Directory
> sturctures, etc, and I know the list could go on.

Take a look at the _Debian_Linux_User's_Guide_ at

http://www.linuxpress.com/

It is written by Dale Scheetz, a Debian developers.  :-)  The book looks
really interesting.  Besides, you could also view the on-line version for
free.  :-)

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Re: What are the "slink" sundirecrories all about?

[Anthony Fok]

--- Begin Message ---
On Sun, Mar 29, 1998 at 08:02:26AM -0500, Stan Brown wrote:
>   I noticed on my local mirror, that some subdirectories called "slin:
>   are being created. Is this new, or have I just not noticed it
>   before. What are these for?

Yes, this is new.  :-)  Hamm (the toy piggy bank from Toy Story) is the code
name for Debian 2.0.  Now that Hamm is frozen, Slink the dog (also from Toy
Story) will be the future Debian 2.1.  (i.e. the new developmental or
unstable tree.  :-)

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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[Alex Yukhimets]

> When I was installing Debian (which should be the latest version - I
> received the CD only recently) I was given the option to install mouse
> support in the kernal.  I attempted to do so, but this produced a
> "device in use" error or something similar.
> 
> I have no objections to reinstalling Debian (I have done so twice
> already) but this error always occurs.

You don't have to reinstall Debian for that. (It won't help much anyway).
The truth is that there are quite a few "mouse drivers" in the menu you
mentioned. What kind of mouse do you have: serial or busmouse?
If busmouse - is it PS2 or some other type? Please tell us as much as you
know about it. If you don't know the answer even to the first question, 
tell us what kind of plug the mouse have - round or not?

Anyway, my guess would be that you have a ps2 mouse. In this case
just do (as root) "insmod psaux". If it works, then you should use
/dev/psaux device to configure X or gpm (and ps2 protocol).

Alex Y.

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Re: ext2fs resize?

[Ralph Winslow]

When Waye-Ian CHIEW wrote, I replied:

A utility to pack the current content of a filesystem to one
end (or the other, or the center) of its space would be possible
for each filesystem type, but a general tool would be extremely
difficult (probably impossible).  For example, the original
UNIX file system had all i-nodes at the beginning of the slice
and allocated content blocks as near as possible to the i-nodes,
the Berkely file-system, on the other hand, scatters sets of
i-nodes accross the file-system space, and I suspect that the
linux filesystems have other differences in detail - and we
haven't even considered MSDOS, W$95 (which has at least two
flavors), OS/2, etc.  I have a spare ~400 Mb disk that I use
in conjunction with cpio and gzip to handlew these situations.
A spare HD is probably the best $100 you'll ever spend.

> 
> Hello!
> 
>> I'm presently trying to shuffle and resize several partitions on a disk 
> device
>> without losing data.
> 
>My answer to this is NOT authoritative, that is, I haven't looked
>at the code. However, in general, partitioning doesn't move data
>about; it merely updates a small file which delineates the sets
>of diskblocks that comprise each partition.
> 
>The filesystem lays
>out the the blocks of its partition in accordance with it's policy
>- the filesystem on /proc is very different to those on /usr, or
>/, or /var which are in turn very different from that on /msdos.
>The *nix data partitions (/, /usr, /var, etc.) are layed out with
>a set of i-nodes at the beginning of the partition (or sets of
>i-nodes scattered throughout) each of which point to the individual
>blocks (or sets of blocks) which hold the file. The policy (or
>format) for msdos is very different, and unknown to me, as are
>the formats of /proc, etc.
> 
> Yes -- and I'm looking for filesystem-specific tools that will shrink an 
> ext2fs
> and a vfat partition.
> 
> But wouldn't resizing be simple to do in principle?  (Defragment the 
> filesystem and
> move everything to the front of the partition, then change the total number of
> blocks in the superblock?)
> 
>> Can the ext2fs resize itself?
>> That is, can the filesystem shrink or grow in size to accommondate a 
> resized
>> partition?  Is there a tool to do this?
>>
>> Can the ext2fs move itself?
>> If the whole filesystem is moved up or down (relative to the start of the
>> partition), will it still work?
> 
>Thus partitions aren't easily moved or combined without foreknowledge of 
> the
>format of the content. Thus, you need to backup each of the partitions
>involved, re-partition, and restore the backups to the now empty, new,
>partitions. HTH.
> 
> Unfortunately, the problem over here is that backup isn't really feasible.
> (It's also, theoretically, a very redundant operation.)
> 
> And wouldn't _moving_ also be simple to do in principle?  (Make all filesystem
> references to disk blocks relative to the superblock, not the start of the
> disk.)
> 
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Re: menus don't show up in hamm

[Bob Nielsen]

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, [iso-8859-1] Marcelo E. Magallón wrote:

> 
> It does look ok... are /etc/menu-methods/{wmaker,wmstyle} executable?
> (This gotta be it!)

No!

> 
> If you do:
> 
> $ chmod +x /etc/menu-methods/{wmaker,wmstyle}
> $ update-menus -v
> 
> does it work?

Yes!

Thanks again,

Bob


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rsync/ssh-script no longer working in hamm

[Harald Schueler]

Here's something I don't understand:

I used to be able (in bo) to execute the following script to update my
home PC from the one in my office:

sh-2.01$ cat xxx
rsync -e ssh zoppo:.profile .

Simple enough. But since I upgraded both machines to hamm the following
happens:

sh-2.01$ sh xxx
Enter passphrase for RSA key '[EMAIL PROTECTED]':

... and then the processes hang (in T state)(just after printing the
prompt). ^C doesn't work, so I have to use ^Z+kill to stop it: 

$ ps
  PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
 2383  p0 S0:00 sh xxx 
 2384  p0 T0:00 rsync -e ssh zoppo .profile . 
 2386  p0 T0:00 ssh zoppo rsync --server --sender . .profile 

$ ps l
 FLAGS   UID   PID  PPID PRI  NI   SIZE   RSS WCHAN   STA TTY TIME COMMAND
10  1000  2383  2304   0   0   1508   772 wait4   S   p0  0:00 sh xxx 
10  1000  2384  2383   0   0804   324 do_signal   T   p0  0:00 rsync -e
100140  1000  2386  2385   0   0   1372   644 do_signal   T   p0  0:00 ssh zoppo

The funny thing is, it works perfectly, if I type the command at the shell
prompt, or use: 

sh -c "`cat xxx`"

Can anyboy enlighten me what's going on here, and what the difference is
between 'sh xxx' and 'sh -c "`cat xxx`"' or entering the command by hand? 


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Re: menus don't show up in hamm

[Marcelo E . Magallón]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> Thanks for looking into this.

My pleasure.

It does look ok... are /etc/menu-methods/{wmaker,wmstyle} executable?
(This gotta be it!)

If you do:

$ chmod +x /etc/menu-methods/{wmaker,wmstyle}
$ update-menus -v

does it work?


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What are the "slink" sundirecrories all about?

[Stan Brown]

I noticed on my local mirror, that some subdirectories called "slin: 
are being
created. Is this new, or have I just not noticed it before. What are 
these for?

Thanks.

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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[John Wingfield]

Thanks for your reply.

When I was installing Debian (which should be the latest version - I
received the CD only recently) I was given the option to install mouse
support in the kernal.  I attempted to do so, but this produced a
"device in use" error or something similar.

I have no objections to reinstalling Debian (I have done so twice
already) but this error always occurs.

I can't properly install XFree86 because I need the mouse to complete
installation!


John


In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Leach
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>You are probably using debian version 1.3 or earlier and have a ps2
>style mouse.
>
>Your message is not clear to me but...
>
>If you move the mouse when in a console, does a mouse curson appear on
>the screen?
>
>Where did the error message you listed come from?  If you received that
>message when X-Windows was running then the problem can be cleared up
>several ways.  The best being to upgrade to the latest stable release
>(version 1.3.1r6).
>
>You also can type "gpm -k" in a console and attempt to start X again (it
>should now work).
>
>The kernels have mouse support however during installation there should
>have been an option to include "module support" for a ps2 style mouse.
>
>If you did not choose that option (and that is the problem) then there
>are ways to solve the problem (I don't think that you would get the
>error message you mentioned from that problem however).
>
>John Wingfield wrote:
>> 
>> I am a new user of Debian Linux.  After much guesswork I have managed to
>> install Debian and XFree86 (not provided with the CD).
>> 
>> Unfortunately when installing Debian I could not include a mouse driver
>> in the kernal because some a "device in use" error.  As a consequence I
>> cannot use XFree86.
>> 
>> Can anyone offer me some advice on how to retrospectively install a
>> mouse driver?
>> 
>> John Wingfield
>> 

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Re: Applixware- user view needed

[Joey Hess]

Damir J. Naden wrote:
> I would like to know what HD space one needs to install applixware office
> suite? I have searched high and low for this piece of info to no avail.

Package: applix
Installed-Size: 53801

Package: applix-english
Installed-Size: 53450

So about 107MB total.

> And
> while we are at it, can someone give me a feedback on spreadsheet part of the
> suite: does it provide a function similar to the one found on Corel's Quattro
> called "optimizer" or some such thing - basically a goal seeking tool for two
> or three variables at the same time?

No idea, I don't use spreadsheets.

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Re: Setting up network on Hamm install

[Carey Evans]

Ian Lynagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is the following correct?
> 
>  Your host name (you may be able to decide this on your own). 
> 
> 
> 
>  Your domain name. 
> 
> lynagh.demon.co.uk

This would make your computer's full Internet name
".lynagh.demon.co.uk" on your LAN (except that this name
won't be visible to the real Internet).  Depending on the
circumstances, this is probably OK, since this domain seems to be
yours only.  Just make sure you set up /etc/hosts and/or bind to say
that this name is at 192.168.37.1.

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Compilers Paranoia

[adavis]

I am afeared to install the (rather contorted) mosaic of C and C++ compilers
and libs, after reading comments on the list.  Wanting to install Deity,
however, I find that the new C++ libs are required.  

Is it safe (and how safe) to install this mosaic?

Alan

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Re: XDM with Debian 1.3E6

[Oliver Elphick]

Carroll Kong wrote:
  > Whoa... big problems.  I checked my /etc/init.d/xdm... it is a zero byt
  >e
  >file.  Apparently, when I installed the system, I never setup xdm.  Is there
  >some kind of setup script to get xdm on my system working again?  I have
  >shadowed passwords... and I am looking for a package called xdm, but there d
  >oes
  >not seem to be any.  Thanks!

Try re-installing xbase.
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Re: XDM with Debian 1.3E6

[Carey Evans]

Carroll Kong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Whoa... big problems.  I checked my /etc/init.d/xdm... it is a zero byte
> file.  Apparently, when I installed the system, I never setup xdm.  Is there
> some kind of setup script to get xdm on my system working again?  I have
> shadowed passwords... and I am looking for a package called xdm, but there 
> does
> not seem to be any.

xdm is part of xbase.

See whether there is another file named xdm.dpkg- that
isn't empty.  If there is, rename it to xdm and see if that helps.

You can reinstall xbase more easily than with dselect by finding the
package file and just running `dpkg -i xbase_.deb'.

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Re: X-Intrinsics

[Markus Lechner]

Thanks,

this help's me much to hook on the X-Win thing...

It's sometimes not easy to find the main-entrance... ;-)


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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Scott K. Ellis]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> > 
> > > I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to
> > > remain for the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X). 
> > 
> > This is Debian we are talking about... ;-)
> 
> Yes, that is one of the things which caused me to switch from Red Hat.
> I'm glad to see it still runs in a text VC.

Yes, we're still concerned about those without X running (although I must
admit that I haven't looked at the test interface in a few months).

> > deity runs both under X11 and text. I have got used to dselect,
> > but Deity is way way better from the current previews.
> 
> I'll grab a copy and have a look.  Are there any known, serious bugs?

Well, other than not actually installing packages? :)

The graphical interface is coming along nicely, but we haven't quite bound
it to the actual package installation routines (although those are also
very close to completion).

Scott 
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Re: ext2fs resize?

[Waye-Ian CHIEW]

Hello!

   > I'm presently trying to shuffle and resize several partitions on a disk 
device
   > without losing data.

   My answer to this is NOT authoritative, that is, I haven't looked
   at the code. However, in general, partitioning doesn't move data
   about; it merely updates a small file which delineates the sets
   of diskblocks that comprise each partition. 

   The filesystem lays
   out the the blocks of its partition in accordance with it's policy
   - the filesystem on /proc is very different to those on /usr, or
   /, or /var which are in turn very different from that on /msdos.
   The *nix data partitions (/, /usr, /var, etc.) are layed out with
   a set of i-nodes at the beginning of the partition (or sets of
   i-nodes scattered throughout) each of which point to the individual
   blocks (or sets of blocks) which hold the file. The policy (or
   format) for msdos is very different, and unknown to me, as are
   the formats of /proc, etc. 

Yes -- and I'm looking for filesystem-specific tools that will shrink an ext2fs
and a vfat partition.

But wouldn't resizing be simple to do in principle?  (Defragment the filesystem 
and
move everything to the front of the partition, then change the total number of
blocks in the superblock?)

   > Can the ext2fs resize itself?
   > That is, can the filesystem shrink or grow in size to accommondate a 
resized
   > partition?  Is there a tool to do this?
   > 
   > Can the ext2fs move itself?
   > If the whole filesystem is moved up or down (relative to the start of the
   > partition), will it still work?
   
   Thus partitions aren't easily moved or combined without foreknowledge of the
   format of the content. Thus, you need to backup each of the partitions
   involved, re-partition, and restore the backups to the now empty, new,
   partitions. HTH.

Unfortunately, the problem over here is that backup isn't really feasible.
(It's also, theoretically, a very redundant operation.)

And wouldn't _moving_ also be simple to do in principle?  (Make all filesystem
references to disk blocks relative to the superblock, not the start of the
disk.)

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Re: Applixware- user view needed

[Corey Miller]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Damir J. Naden wrote:

> I would like to know what HD space one needs to install applixware office
> suite? I have searched high and low for this piece of info to no avail. And
> while we are at it, can someone give me a feedback on spreadsheet part of the
> suite: does it provide a function similar to the one found on Corel's Quattro
> called "optimizer" or some such thing - basically a goal seeking tool for two
> or three variables at the same time?

My install takes about 250 megs. I installed the office suite,
English manuals, and English dictionary. However, I haven't made use of
the spreadsheet program yet :).

Corey Miller

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Re: [OFF TOPIC] Netscape/applications

[Corey Miller]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Paul Miller wrote:

> I want netscape to download a text file and run an application.  I've been
> able to get netscape to execute a script, but I don't know how to retrive
> the file.  The file is a 2 line text file sent by a cgi script from a web
> page.  Is there any way I can get netscape to download the file or another
> program in a script?
> 
> Thanks
> -Paul

I don't completely understand your problem, but I do believe that I
have at least a partial solution for you. Lynx can be used to download
files. All you have to do is specify the -dump flag, and it will dump
whatever you load to stdout. For instance, you could do something like
this: lynx -dump http://web.cps.msu.edu/~mille542/index.html > index.html.

Hope this helps,
Corey Miller

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Re: Design of Debian web site

[David Stern]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:33:10 +0100, cleto wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Thomas Apel wrote:
> 
> > To make it more clear what I mean: I think of home page with a
> > navigation bar on the left and a text column on the right. The
> > navigation bar should contain a maximum of about 6 top level categories
> > like About, News, Support, Development... each with its second level
> > categories. The text column could contain a brief description of what
> > Debian is, the latest news article or other related stuff. And to make
> > it perfect one could add a nice banner containing the logo and the text
> > "Debian GNU/Linux".
> > 
> > All other pages could contain a smaller version of the banner and a
> > navigation bar on the top with only the top level categories. The whole
> > thing could be colored in white / red / dark blue like the logo.

> Hi,
> 
> Please do not forget that there are users who access the site
> using text-based browsers like Lynx. Navigation bars and like make a site
> more difficult to navigate for them.
> 
> Cleto

I agree that the current Debian website design is lacking in visual 
impact however I also appreciate the concern for keeping web pages fast 
loading.

I've used lynx for about five years and I don't find navigation bars 
prohibitive (at least per se), in fact the organization can be nice.

There are some lynx-friendly web authoring guidelines at:

  Web authoring and Lynx
  http://www.crl.com/~subir/lynx/author_tips.html

Rather than a single website design, why not open a Debian website 
design contest, with Thomas' design being the first entry?


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Re: help ?

[Bill Leach]

I think that you need the file 'lmemroot.bin' to do the installation
(see the intallation text files).

Also, please turn off your 'html' mail feature.

> Regis Hautière wrote:
> 
> My system(386 with 6Mo of RAM) stop during the installation from the
> rescue disk after the floppy drive detection.
> 
> What is going wrong ? Any hardware incompatibility ?
> 
> How can I make it continue ?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> Sincerly.
> RH.


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Re: Installing Mouse Driver

[Bill Leach]

You are probably using debian version 1.3 or earlier and have a ps2
style mouse.

Your message is not clear to me but...

If you move the mouse when in a console, does a mouse curson appear on
the screen?

Where did the error message you listed come from?  If you received that
message when X-Windows was running then the problem can be cleared up
several ways.  The best being to upgrade to the latest stable release
(version 1.3.1r6).

You also can type "gpm -k" in a console and attempt to start X again (it
should now work).

The kernels have mouse support however during installation there should
have been an option to include "module support" for a ps2 style mouse.

If you did not choose that option (and that is the problem) then there
are ways to solve the problem (I don't think that you would get the
error message you mentioned from that problem however).

John Wingfield wrote:
> 
> I am a new user of Debian Linux.  After much guesswork I have managed to
> install Debian and XFree86 (not provided with the CD).
> 
> Unfortunately when installing Debian I could not include a mouse driver
> in the kernal because some a "device in use" error.  As a consequence I
> cannot use XFree86.
> 
> Can anyone offer me some advice on how to retrospectively install a
> mouse driver?
> 
> John Wingfield
> 
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Re: EXIM Help

[Bill Leach]

Did you turn off fetchmail's rewrite option?

Also you can tell exim:
sender_unqualified_hosts = localhost
in it's configuration file (see the fetchmail FAQ)


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Re: deity trouble

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Britton wrote:

> 
> I have been trying to install deity (largely because dselect has been seg
> faulting on me since libc6 upgrade and I havn't been able to fix this.  I
> suspect it is related to the below ncurses problem).  Here is what
> happens:
> 
> # dpkg --install libstdc++2.8_1.0.1-0.3_i386.deb 

You need the libstdc++ from hamm proper, 2.90 or so. They are not
compatible in this case :<

> # dpkg --install deity_19980324-1_i386.deb 
> (Reading database ... 28940 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to replace deity 19980324-1 (using deity_19980324-1_i386.deb)
> ...
> Unpacking replacement deity ...
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/deity.postrm: [: --: binary operator expected
> Setting up deity (19980324-1) ...

That looks bad, Scott?

Jason


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Re: broken ncurses?

[Adam Klein]

On Sat, Mar 28, 1998 at 07:38:41PM -0900, Britton wrote:
> I suspect that in trying to fix this I managed to annihilate my
> ncurses.3.4.so file, as bedore something like this showed up (I think in
> /lib), but now find gives:

Actually the file is libncurses.so.3.4.

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Re: X query..

[Damir J. Naden]

Hi Michael Beattie; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote:
> Whenever I start X, I get an xterm automatically opening. Is there a way
> to stop this? I have never minded until now, but now I usually close it
> straight away. The reason I ask is that it does not appear to be a result
> of one of the windowmanagers opening. there is a routine in the Xsession
> file:
> 
> case $# in
> 1)
>   case $1 in
>   failsafe)
> if grep -q ^allow-failsafe /etc/X11/config
> then
>   exec xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0
> fi
> ;;
>   esac
> esac
> 
> but even after commenting it out, (and removing "allow-failsafe" in
> /etc/X11/config as well) it does not stop..

If you have the "stock" Xsession file (not manually edited) it should contain
one other line few paragraphs down from the place you are quoting:

then
  exec $startup
else
  rxvt -ls -geometry 80x12+2+2 -T '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' &
  if [ -e /etc/X11/window-managers ]
  then
for i in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/X11/window-managers`
do

Notice the line starting (in my case) with "rxvt"? This is the one that will
work under normal conditions and start up your "xterm" (I have manually edited
my file to use rxvt instead of the xterm)...

HTH

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broken ncurses?

[Britton]

I suspect a broken ncurses setup is the root of my problems.  The
ncurses-base and ncurses-bin packages install fine, but when trying
to reinstall ncurses itself I got the following:


# dpkg --install ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-8.deb 
(Reading database ... 28942 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace ncurses3.4 1.9.9g-8 (using ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-8.deb)
...
Unpacking replacement ncurses3.4 ...
Setting up ncurses3.4 (1.9.9g-8) ...
ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (No such file or
directory), skipping


I suspect that in trying to fix this I managed to annihilate my
ncurses.3.4.so file, as bedore something like this showed up (I think in
/lib), but now find gives:

$ find / -name "ncurses*" -print
/usr/doc/copyright/ncurses-term
/usr/doc/ncurses3.4
/usr/doc/ncurses-base
/usr/doc/ncurses-bin
/usr/doc/ncurses3.0
find: /usr/share/emacs/20.2/site-lisp: Permission denied
find: /etc/ppp: Permission denied
find: /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied
find: /var/spool/cron/atspool: Permission denied
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.preinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.0.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.0.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-bin.preinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-bin.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-term.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.4.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.4.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.4.shlibs
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.conffiles
/var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.0.shlibs


Anyone know what I should do to rectify this situation?

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stopping pppd redial with persistent connection

[Daniel Quinlan]

hi,
   I've got a Linux Router Project (Debian based) box running a
permanent connection to the 'net via a 57.6 modem.
I'm using pppd in persist mode and a few weeks ago over the weekend
the account ran out of credits at the ISP so they disabled the account.

The box rang the ISP every minute or so for just over a day and clocked
up
~$185 in phone charges.

In the chatscript I've got

ABORT  "Authentication Failed"

which happens when the account is disabled cause the accountant forgot
to pay the bills again.

this should return error code 6.  How do I get pppd to block totally
when
this happens.  Ideally this should stop pppd from dialing at all till 
someone manually restarts it.

What I'd also like to be able to do is actually conform to Austel
regulations
and not have the box dialup more than 3 times in half an hour with each
call at least 2 minutes apart. This isn't as critical tho.

thanks in advance,

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X query..

[Michael Beattie]

Whenever I start X, I get an xterm automatically opening. Is there a way
to stop this? I have never minded until now, but now I usually close it
straight away. The reason I ask is that it does not appear to be a result
of one of the windowmanagers opening. there is a routine in the Xsession
file:

case $# in
1)
  case $1 in
  failsafe)
if grep -q ^allow-failsafe /etc/X11/config
then
  exec xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0
fi
;;
  esac
esac

but even after commenting it out, (and removing "allow-failsafe" in
/etc/X11/config as well) it does not stop..

Can anyone help?

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Re: XDM with Debian 1.3E6

[Carroll Kong]

Whoa... big problems.  I checked my /etc/init.d/xdm... it is a zero byte
file.  Apparently, when I installed the system, I never setup xdm.  Is there
some kind of setup script to get xdm on my system working again?  I have
shadowed passwords... and I am looking for a package called xdm, but there does
not seem to be any.  Thanks!


Carroll Kong

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Oliver Elphick wrote:

> Carroll Kong wrote:
>  re xdm ...
>   >   Everytime I try to login with a valid user account, it says, login
>   >failed.  I have a .xsession in the users' home dir.  I added the 
> *.domain.na
>   >me
>   >in the Xaccess part.  I am guessing my xdm-config is setup improperly for
>   >authentification.  I added DisplayManager*authenticate:true and a few 
>   >other
>   >things... still no go.  And... I cannot get xdm to start up locally so I 
> can
>   >test it easier.  Even when I did get it running locally, still get that 
> "log
>   >in
>   >failed" even with valid user logins (telnets works fine).  
> 
> Perhaps you should be using xdm-shadow?  I seem to remember having had
> this problem in the days when I was running bo.
> 
> Look at /etc/init.d/xdm and see whether it starts xdm or xdm-shadow. Try
> swapping which one it starts (provided that they are not effectively the
> same file, as they are on my hamm system).
> 
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Best Book for Linux/Unix

[Mike Acklin]

What is the best book to learn Linux/Unix as for overall basics. I
am not into programing yet, but would like to learn as much as I can about
running a system. Like how to set my system for every day use. Editing the
.bash_profile to make it usable. How to set up at and crontab. Directory
sturctures, etc, and I know the list could go on.

I have heard some people talking about O'Reily and Associate's
Bible. What exactly is this book. What is the name of the actual book.
There are so many books out, I don't know which one to get. I was wanting
to learn what all is available for this system.

Thanks in advance.

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deity trouble

[Britton]

I have been trying to install deity (largely because dselect has been seg
faulting on me since libc6 upgrade and I havn't been able to fix this.  I
suspect it is related to the below ncurses problem).  Here is what
happens:

# dpkg --install libstdc++2.8_1.0.1-0.3_i386.deb 
Selecting previously deselected package libstdc++2.8.
(Reading database ... 28935 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libstdc++2.8 (from libstdc++2.8_1.0.1-0.3_i386.deb) ...
Setting up libstdc++2.8 (1.0.1-0.3) ...
ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (No such file or
directory), skipping

# dpkg --install deity_19980324-1_i386.deb 
(Reading database ... 28940 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace deity 19980324-1 (using deity_19980324-1_i386.deb)
...
Unpacking replacement deity ...
/var/lib/dpkg/info/deity.postrm: [: --: binary operator expected
Setting up deity (19980324-1) ...

# deity
deity: error in loading shared libraries
: undefined symbol:
_t12basic_string3ZcZt18string_char_traits1ZcZt24__default_alloc_template2b1i0.nilRep



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Re: X-Intrinsics

[aqy6633]

> just a small question as i'm searching for the 'lowest-level' to use to
> programm under X-Win. Somebody told me that X-Intrinsics is this
> lowest-level, where other GUI's and lib's like OSF/MOTIF setup on.
> 
> So, what's X-Intrinsics?
> Is it this lowest-level?
> Where are doc's for this?

As for docs, there are official "books" on X, they are in xbooks package.
For some other published books and tutorials, check out THE X site on the
net: http://www.rahul.net/kenton/index.shtml

In short, the lowest level is the definition of X protocol, Xlib (-lX11)
implements this protocol in its quite low-level routines.
X intrinsics (-lXt) library gives a framework for higher-level libraries
(GUI toolkits) by defining the objects like widget, giving the rules for
inheritance, etc. It also have many functions for manipulating widgets and
their "resources". 
Next level is GUI libraries (widget sets itself).
The oldest and simplest one is Athena widget set (-lXaw), 
another example, substantialy more complex and complete would be Motif
(-lXm). 
Gtk is probably the newest widget set available. Unfortunately, it breaks
X conventions, Xt (X toolkit - same as X intrinsics) framework, etc.
It claims to have the level of Xt covered by the routins of their own.

Hope this helps.

Alex Y. 

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Re: X-Intrinsics

[Ben Pfaff]

   just a small question as i'm searching for the 'lowest-level' to use to
   programm under X-Win. Somebody told me that X-Intrinsics is this
   lowest-level, where other GUI's and lib's like OSF/MOTIF setup on.

   So, what's X-Intrinsics?

It's a thin object layer over Xlib written in C (not C++).

   Is it this lowest-level?

No.  Xlib is the lowest C language layer.  Below Xlib is the X
protocol.  You don't want to deal with the X protocol.

   Where are doc's for this?

The xbooks package has manuals that describe Xlib and X Intrinsics.
The xmanpages package has descriptions of Xlib and X Intrinsics
functions.


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X-Intrinsics

[Markus Lechner]

Hi all,

just a small question as i'm searching for the 'lowest-level' to use to
programm under X-Win. Somebody told me that X-Intrinsics is this
lowest-level, where other GUI's and lib's like OSF/MOTIF setup on.

So, what's X-Intrinsics?
Is it this lowest-level?
Where are doc's for this?


Thanks in advance,

Mac



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diald

[Tim Sailer]

I was trying to get a friend switched over from freeBSD to Debian today.
All went fairly well. This was my first experience with pppconfig,
and it worked slick! Good job! Now, to the problem. I wanted to get diald 
working for him. I think I have everything set up the way it should be,
but when I run '/etc/init.d/diald start', in daemon.log I see:

Mar 28 20:18:29 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1
Mar 28 20:19:34 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1
Mar 28 20:20:18 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1
Mar 28 20:23:42 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1
Mar 28 20:26:26 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1
Mar 28 20:32:58 willys modprobe: can't locate module tty-ldisc-1

Each time diald tried to start, I get one of those lines. Diald
doesnt start of course. What am I missing here, folks?

Tim

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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Bob Nielsen]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> 
> > I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to
> > remain for the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X). 
> 
> This is Debian we are talking about... ;-)

Yes, that is one of the things which caused me to switch from Red Hat.
I'm glad to see it still runs in a text VC.

> 
> deity runs both under X11 and text. I have got used to dselect,
> but Deity is way way better from the current previews.

I'll grab a copy and have a look.  Are there any known, serious bugs?

Bob


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Re: menus don't show up in hamm

[Bob Nielsen]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> 
> > I think I found something which might explain the problem with
> > windowmaker.  
> > 
> > $ less ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMRootMenu
> > "menu.hook"
> > 
> > menu.hook is missing.  IIRC it was there previously.
> 
> Yikes! Can I see /etc/menu-methods/wmaker? Have you edited the
> file? The wmaker configuration files have been moved from
> /etc/X11/wmaker to /etc/X11/WindowMaker. If the menu-method
> points to the old directory nothing will work. WindowMaker
> crashes pretty bad against the old configuration files (that
> wasn't the reason why I moved the directory, BTW).
> 
> I'd like to have a bit more feedback on this. I'm fixing this
> little surprises, but I haven't had much input to work with.
> Anything will be appreciatted.

It looks like it points to the correct directory.  The only menu items I
get are xterm and exit.  The version I have installed is 0.14.0-2 from
frozen.  I haven't edited anything.

/etc/menu-methods/wmaker:

#!/usr/sbin/install-menu
#
# Generates WindowMaker menus for all registered applications.
compat="menu-1"

!include menu.h

genmenu="menu.hook"
rootprefix="/etc/X11/WindowMaker/"
userprefix="GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/"
treewalk=(M)

supported
x11="  \"" $title "\"  EXEC " $command "\n" 
wm= "  \"" $title "\"  RESTART " $command "\n" 
text=   "  \"" $title "\"  EXEC " term() "\n"
wmaker= "  \"" $title "\"  " $command "\n"
endsupported

preoutput="#Automatically generated file. Do not edit (see 
/usr/doc/menu/README)\n\n#include \"wmmacros\"\n\n"

startmenu= "\n" ifelse($title, $title, "Debian") " MENU \n"
submenutitle= ""
endmenu= ifelse($title, $title, "Debian") " END \n"

Thanks for looking into this.

Bob


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Re: debian not working on a PC without math copro

[Alain Toussaint]

thanks a lot for all who responded to this thread,your help was greatly
apreciated.

Alain



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Re: vncserver for bo

[aqy6633]

> Does anyone have a vncserver port to bo? I tried to compile it
> but obviously it wants jdk 1.1 to compile the java client,
> which bo doesn't have.

What? Netscape 3 runs VNC java applet with no problems which means it uses
java 1.0.2, not 1.1. Also, you may go ahed and install jdk1.1 packages on
bo system with no problem whatsoever. (It is libc5-based, as all of the
current Motif packages).

Alex Y. 

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Applixware- user view needed

[Damir J. Naden]

G'day --

I would like to know what HD space one needs to install applixware office
suite? I have searched high and low for this piece of info to no avail. And
while we are at it, can someone give me a feedback on spreadsheet part of the
suite: does it provide a function similar to the one found on Corel's Quattro
called "optimizer" or some such thing - basically a goal seeking tool for two
or three variables at the same time?

Thanks a bunch

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deity in 2.0? CD's anyone?

[Britton]

Is deity going to be in 2.0?  And are any developers burning CD's?  I
would like to buy from a developer, since I have had trouble with mail
order places in the past, and want to get a local network set up on 2.0
systems as soon as possible without risking version skew problems (If
there are any).


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On 28 Mar 1998, Rob Browning wrote:

> Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to remain for
> > the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X).
> 
> It has a text mode as well.
> 
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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Rob Browning]

Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to remain for
> the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X).

It has a text mode as well.

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Re: Design of Debian web site

[Nelson Posse Lago]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, cleto wrote:

> Please do not forget that there are users who access the site
> using text-based browsers like Lynx. Navigation bars and like make a site
> more difficult to navigate for them.
> 
> On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Thomas Apel wrote:
> 
> > To make it more clear what I mean: I think of home page with a
> > navigation bar on the left and a text column on the right. [...]

It's possible to design a good-looking page on a GUI that doesn't take
forever to download which still works ok for lynx, Netscape 1.0, Mosaic
etc. Even frames are not that bad: if you are careful, it will only
require a few more "clicks" or the like from the user. In fact, I haven't 
checked the details, but I believe HTML 4.0 is an attempt to standartise
the various HTML "enhancements" in a way reasonably compatible with older 
implementatios.

I don't mean we should make the page a fireworks show, but I do believe
it would benefit from a little more attention to visual design. Also, the
structure is *not* that good IMHO (differently from someone else said
before); that doesn't mean it's bad, it's just not the best.

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Re: PGP key server

[Joel Klecker]

At 20:14 -0500 1998-03-28, Darren Renaud wrote:
>Could someone give me some advice on setting up a key server for PGP?

You can get source for a key server daemon at:
. I am also doing a Debian package of
it, but it'll be awhile before I have it done.

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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Joel Klecker]

At 17:13 -0800 1998-03-28, George Bonser wrote:
>Not from what I understand.  I was told that it will run in either graphic
>or comman-line modes completely replacing dselect.

That's true, deity has both a slang and a GTK interface, the coolest thing
is that both interfaces are in a single executable.

BTW, "command-line" is not the correct way to refer to a full-screen
curses-style interface ("visual" is a common term).

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Re: Debian Hamm & Dselect

[Joel Klecker]

At 15:20 -0500 1998-03-28, Wintermute wrote:
>Is it ok to set dselect to use the package files in /debian/hamm/ yet?
>I was using /debian/dists/unstable before now, and I noticed the other
>day that my package list went to nothing.

You should always use dists/*.

In this case, dists/frozen/* for hamm (and eventually dists/stable/* once
hamm is released). dists/unstable/* is the new unstable (to become 2.1
("slink")).

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Re: mail server

[Joel Klecker]

At 13:07 -0500 1998-03-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>May I suggest www.qmail.org.  Forget Smail & Sendmail and get a good
>MTA. Check the archives of the qmail list.  There are Debian users
>that have qmail running, even tho it is not a debian package.  Save
>yourself a LOT of grief! Use qmail!

If qmail's author used a reasonable license, I would.

It *is* a Debian package though:


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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

[Marcelo E. Magallon]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> I thought it was an additional method and dselect was going to
> remain for the graphically-impaired (IIRC deity runs under X). 

This is Debian we are talking about... ;-)

deity runs both under X11 and text. I have got used to dselect,
but Deity is way way better from the current previews.

Marcelo


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Re: menus don't show up in hamm

[Marcelo E. Magallon]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> I think I found something which might explain the problem with
> windowmaker.  
> 
> $ less ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMRootMenu
> "menu.hook"
> 
> menu.hook is missing.  IIRC it was there previously.

Yikes! Can I see /etc/menu-methods/wmaker? Have you edited the
file? The wmaker configuration files have been moved from
/etc/X11/wmaker to /etc/X11/WindowMaker. If the menu-method
points to the old directory nothing will work. WindowMaker
crashes pretty bad against the old configuration files (that
wasn't the reason why I moved the directory, BTW).

I'd like to have a bit more feedback on this. I'm fixing this
little surprises, but I haven't had much input to work with.
Anything will be appreciatted.


Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
WindowMaker maintainer


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vncserver for bo

[Hamish Moffatt]

Does anyone have a vncserver port to bo? I tried to compile it
but obviously it wants jdk 1.1 to compile the java client,
which bo doesn't have.


thanks,
Hamish
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Re: menus don't show up in hamm

[Marcelo E. Magallon]

On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> Windowmaker only shows the xterm and exit commands on the menu, while
> afterstep shows several others, but none of the packages I have installed
> show up even though the files exist in /usr/lib/menu and update-menus has
> been run.

This one's my fault. Do this:

$ echo \"menu.hook\" > ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMRootMenu

and that should be it.

I haven't figured a way of fixing this. The problem is the
WMRootMenu is either: the menu or, as in the solution I provide,
the name of the file with the menu. If you just say "menu.hook"
it will look for ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/menu.hook or
/etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook

Hope that wasn't much trouble.


Marcelo


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xsession problem

[Hamish Moffatt]

I'm just trying out vncserver -- excellent stuff. In my /etc/vnc.conf
I put

$vncStartup = "$ENV{HOME}/.xsession";

but when vncserver runs, the ~/.vnx/X.log says

rfbInitSockets: listening on TCP port 5901
httpInitSockets: listening on TCP port 5801
sh: /etc/X11/Xsession: Permission denied

but there is no mention of that filename in /etc/vnc.conf
and I have no ~/.vncrc. What am I doing wrong?


thanks,
Hamish


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PGP key server

[Darren Renaud]

Could someone give me some advice on setting up a key server for PGP?

Thanks

Darren Renaud


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