Re: loading the Debian kernel

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 11:18:08PM -0400, Ron Nichols wrote:
 I have a PB Legend 316SX PC (386SX processor, 6M RAM + 3M extended RAM,
 41M hd) upon which I am trying to install linux.
 Everything has been wiped from the hard drive, including the
operating system.  I am having trouble booting from the
 Debian rescue disk.  Here's what happens:

Uh, oh, will not be a lot of fun, but here you go...
 
 It says Loading ...  then a bunch of binary fills the
 screen for awhile then it stops and says
 Loading linux... Not enough memory to load specified kernel.
 
 I have tried the following:
  at the boot: prompt, I type in linux floppy0 (having my low
  memory root disk ready and the rescue disk in the drive)
  and I get the same message

This is the right way.

  using fdisk, I repartitioned my hd for minimum (1M) allocated for DOS 
 (the dos fdisk won't allow partitions for anything but DOS), leaving the 
 other 40M unpartitioned and I got the same message.

not necessary.

  at the boot: prompt, I've tried typing just floppy0 with the rescue disk 
 in (same message) and with the lowmemroot disk in (can't find kernel is the 
 message then).
  I have tried making another rescue disk, only to get the same results.

make just another and one more. Sometimes rawrite has problems writing the
disk reliable, so you should try at least four or five different disks.
Try also to write the disk on another computer.
 
 I have also tried several things that were silly out of desperation.  Please 
 help me;  I am anxious to get linux on line to try it out and customize it as 
 much as my little 40M will allow.

I hope you will be able to afford a better system, as Linux will be much
more fun then!

Marcus

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Re: recompiling kernel

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 10:28:10PM -0700, G. Crimp wrote:
 Hi,
 
   I tried recompiling the kernel to include sound support for a newly
 acquired card.  I got an error that I don't understand.  I'm using Deb
 1.3.1, kernel 2.0.30.  The card is of unknown manufacturer, 16 bit, chipset 
 ESS 1868.  I pretty much followed the same compile instructions that I used
 to make the custom kernel that I have been using until now.  My
 understanding of what is happening in all these steps is pretty limited, so
 please keep any answers simple.  If any info is required in addition to the
 following excerpt from make zdisk, I'd be happy to send it along.

Try kernel-package. make-kpkg --revision custom.1.0 kernel-image will
creat you a deb file with your kernel. Then install the deb file in /usr/src
with dpkg -i filename and answer yes when it is offering to make a
boot disk. This will install the kernel on the root partition, too. You may
not want this... but your old image is still in vmlinuz.old (and it is a
good idea to have a lilo entry for it).

Marcus

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Re: What does I/O error report from disk mean?

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 12:49:50AM -0500,   wrote:
 
 `dmesg' shows multiple occurrences of this
 error message:
 
 - hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
 - hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=48409, 
 sector=48346
 - end_request: I/O error, dev 03:41, sector 48346
 
 
 What does this mean?  Eg, is sector 48346
 irreparable?

This probably means that your second IDE drive is going FOOBAR. Backup!
And then boot from a rescue disk or umount the partiotions or mount them -n
-o remount, ro and run e2fsck -c /dev/hdb? on it. ? is partition number.
It will scan for bad blocks. Maybe you want to return your drive if you
have warranty.

Marcus

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Re: dosemu - can't see other drives

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 11:31:16AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
 Jack Kern wrote:
 
   but when I try to look at the D: drive, expecting my Linux root
   directory, I get this:
  
  I don't believe the dos commands are pertinent to the linux filesystem.
  On my dosemu setup if I type unix ls / at the dos prompt, it shows
  me my linux root directory.
 
 I found that, but how do I copy dos programs into this C: image? Or, how
 do I edit config.sys to add 
 
  device=c:\emufs.sys /dosc
 
 like the doc says? There is no editor!

You can use mtools package mdir, mcopy and so on to access hdimages.
The device number is m: or n: or so. Please look in /etc/mtools.conf for the
right number. ;)

Marcus

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Re: dosemu - can't see other drives

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 10:13:12AM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
 I just installed dosemu (bo). I've made no changes yet. The config.sys
 looks like this:
 
 C:\ type config.sys
 rem this sets up the redirector to look at the Linux root directory.
 rem this is probably not a good idea once you have dosemu installed
 device=c:\emufs.sys /
 device=c:\ems.sys
 
 but when I try to look at the D: drive, expecting my Linux root
 directory, I get this:
 
 D:\ dir
 
  Volume in drive D has no label
  Directory of D:\
 
°  h@1611989312   0-17-96  19:63p
IPL  SYS  54944   3-30-97  11:16a
2 file(s)   1612044256 bytes
  18829312 bytes free
 
 Any ideas?

run /usr/lib/dosemu/setup.hdimage and creat a real Dos image (MS DOS, or
Caldera OpenDOS). FDOS fails here and with the LREDIR command.

Marcus

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Re: gzip question

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 12:38:54PM +0100, John wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Norbert Veber
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 12:11:06PM +0100, John wrote:
  Hello
  
  I have a non accessible (from linux) win95 partition [0]. I have
 
 Why is it non accessible?  Linux can read windows partitions, you can mount
 
 because it is doublespaced, and it must remain so.

So why don't you install dmsdos (available at sunsite), that gives you rw
access to doublespaced partitions (most of the times).

This is Linux we are talking about.

There is even a toolset to access Linux partitions from Windows (DOS).
Don't remember the name, though. Use the first solution.

Hey, this is *LINUX* we are talking about.

;)
Marcus

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Re: Video Modes in X

1998-04-20 Thread Chris


On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Geza Gyorgyi wrote:

 
  
  I am trying to get my X running 1152x862 at 16 bpp - Vertical scan = 60Hz,
  Horizontal Scan = 56Hz.
  
  The only hastle is that there is no modeline for this in my XF86Config,
  and I don't know how to write one.
 
 Possible answer:
 
 You are probably using an XF86 server that does not provide 1152x862 
 resolution, 
 AFAIK such is XF86_SVGA.  The first line in /etc/X11/Xserver indicates the 
 server on duty.
 
 If you have a card that can cooperate with another XFree86 server then try to 
 reconfigure XF86 to work with the card-specific server.  For example, I have 
 an 
 S3 Virge video card, which can be used with both XF86_SVGA and XF86_S3V, but 
 the 
 latter provides more modes.
 


Siza,

At the moment I am running XF86_S3 - do you know if this supports that
mode?  If so have you any idea of what the modeline for it should be?

Chris






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Re: Video Modes in X

1998-04-20 Thread shaul
 I am trying to get my X running 1152x862 at 16 bpp - Vertical scan = 60Hz,
 Horizontal Scan = 56Hz.
 
 The only hastle is that there is no modeline for this in my XF86Config,
 and I don't know how to write one.
 
Read /usr/doc/X11/VideoModes.doc.
It is quite long, but it will get you do and *understand* it right.



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Re: making a kernel .deb file with make-kpkg

1998-04-20 Thread shaul
 This is at a time when the BIOS is still running so the CPU is still
 in real mode and the [EMAIL PROTECTED] 640k barrier strikes again.

 Does anybody know what the maximum size of a bzImage is?

Real mode - Perhaps the maximum size is 1M ?


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Re: Unidentified subject!

1998-04-20 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Scott D. Killen wrote:
 
  What exactly is the hamm release?
 
 hamm is the nickname for the next version of Debian, 2.0.  It has been
 frozen for testing since April 1st and most of the problems seem to have
 dissapeared now.  It is slated for release in late April.
 
Don't hold your breath.  At the rate things are going, we'll be lucky
to get it out the door by June.

*sigh*

I wish I had time to help maintainers with release-blocking bugs...


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Help! Liunx messes with date for DOS

1998-04-20 Thread Kenneth F. Ryder III

I am getting my system up, new kernel compiled mouse etc. all coming
together, but I now notice a quite annoying problem.  Last week I go all
sorts of errors from some of my (DOS) programs talking about things being
changed before last use etc.  I just happen to glance at my clock and it
says its 2/8/99!  I fixed it, but today I noticed after starting up DOS,
that the date was 2/19/98, right year and day, but the month was off.  What
gives?
OH, I do remember telling Linux that I did not, and did not want to have,
my clock set to GMT, that it was local time.  How is Linux changing my date
/ time, and why?  It doesn't seem to happen every time, mabey only after
running dselect and installing stuff?  not sure I have only noticed it a
few times, usually because some software complained or I happened to look
at the clock and notice the error. 

any ideas?

Ken


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monitor rates for X

1998-04-20 Thread Kenneth F. Ryder III

I Do not have a manual for my monitor, but I want to push my resolution 
in
X higher.  I have searched the net, but I can't find the horizontal and
vertical rates for it.  my monitor is:

PIXIE  PBC-1450

If any one knows the horizontal and vertical rates for this monitor I could
really use them. I am stuck in 640X480, I don't want to damage my monitor
by running rates it can support, but I strongly believe it is capable of a
few higher res modes...

ALSO:  I am left handed, but I can't figure out how to set my mouse buttons
for left handed use.  (GPM  X) 

Thanks 
Ken


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Re: Super.tab syntax

1998-04-20 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, C.L.Daugaard wrote:

 Using super, I'd like to enable certain users to execute the following:
 
 echo 1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
 
 I've given super privilege for this exact string in super.tab, and running
 super with the -d flag confirms it, but when the user tries the command he 
 gets
 
 [name of script invoking 'super (cmd)']: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: 
 Permission denied

Have you tried escaping the shell characters:
echo \1\ \ /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

HTH,
Brandon

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first kernel compile first failed kernel !!!!!

1998-04-20 Thread Alain Toussaint
Hello all
 i did my first kernel compile (make menuconfig,make clean, make-kpkg
clean, make-kpkg --bzimage kernel_image) and installed the resulting .deb
package of the kernel,runned lilo (twice) and rebooted,the kernel loaded
fine but i think i lacked something ( i guess i did not make the module
thinking that the installation of the .deb file would do it),anyway,here's
the error messages i got when booting the kernel:

Parallelizing fsck version 1.10 (24-Apr-97)
/dev/hda1: clean, 23305/105664 files, 350526/421312 blocks
Loading modules: linear /lib/modules/2.0.29/block/linear.o: unresolved symbol 
unregister_md_personality_Rb61b57be
/lib/modules/2.0.29/block/linear.o: unresolved symbol md_size_Ra3598823
/lib/modules/2.0.29/block/linear.o: unresolved symbol 
register_md_personality_Rac6e8416
cdrom Module inserted $Id: cdrom.c,v 0.8 1996/08/10 10:52:11 david Exp $
vfat /lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_get_entry_Rf33fbfbb
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol 
fat_mark_buffer_dirty_Rcc359597/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol 
fat_put_inode_Rfb77d10e
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_scan_R30ef1fbe
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_parent_ino_R656ae616
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_add_cluster_R4f7eb0a2
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_lock_creation_R26cc6438
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_statfs_Rfdf09406
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_dir_operations_Rcf5febac
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_unlock_creation_R16929a2b
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_a2uni_Rb951cd1a
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_write_inode_Rb5e94b7f
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_code2uni_R6832fb5c
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_put_super_R9a22962f
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol 
fat_cache_inval_inode_Red6e1d29/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol 
fat_date_unix2dos_R8f42586e
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_read_super_R8c561915
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_bmap_R828c222b
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_notify_change_R5bf2f7a9
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_fs_panic_R50ae0d8a
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_brelse_R8297f36e
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_readdirx_R6b584186
/lib/modules/2.0.29/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol fat_read_inode_R0f6dbd83
lp lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)
serial Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
ppp CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc.
PPP line discipline registered.
slhc
Checking all file systems...
Parallelizing fsck version 1.10 (24-Apr-97)
Mounting local file systems ...
Mounting remote file systems ...

scuse me if it make the message long a bit but there's some driver who
loaded but other who didn't,does there is something to do now.

thanks a lot.
Alain


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Exim and procmail

1998-04-20 Thread Daniel Quinlan
hi,
   now I know I can't be the only one using Exim and procmail, so I must
be doing something weird.

   Exim is configured as an 'Internet site' (option 1) and I'm using
this:

|IFS=' '  exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 daniel

   as my .forward 
I'm using fetchmail to pull my mail off the office mail server. It works fine.
If I use the above .forward I get this in /var/log/exim/mainlog

1998-04-20 08:51:40 0yR2vz-PP-00 ** |IFS=' '  exec /usr/bin/procmail -Yf-
|| exit 75 daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] D=userforward T=address_pipe: IF
S=' command not found for address_pipe transport

It looks to me as if exim is taking the  at the start of the forward to be 
closed by '

Any ideas?

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Install disks for PowerPC

1998-04-20 Thread Richard L Shepherd
where are they?  I see a directory for disks-i386 and several other
platforms (alpha, sparc and m68k) but no disks-powerpc.

So how does one get started installing Debian on a PowerPC MAC, and where
are the instructions?

TIA

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Re: first kernel compile first failed kernel !!!!!

1998-04-20 Thread Alain Toussaint
 I suspect that you were already running 2.0.29 before you built your
 custom one.  It is possible that there were some modules in the old kernel
 that were not included in your custom kernel.  
 
 Try this and see if it corrects the problem:
 
 mv /lib/modules/2.0.29 /lib/modules/2.0.29-old
 
 then immediately reinstall the kernel .deb that you built and reboot.

it worked but i have another problem,the kernel still load fine but i
found 4 suspect line when the kernel load,here are them:

Loading modules: linear can't locate module linear
cdrom can't locate module cdrom
vfat lp lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)
serial can't locate module serial

do you (or anyone here) know what it mean ??

Alain


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Re: Install disks for PowerPC

1998-04-20 Thread Alain Toussaint
 where are they?  I see a directory for disks-i386 and several other
 platforms (alpha, sparc and m68k) but no disks-powerpc.
 
 So how does one get started installing Debian on a PowerPC MAC, and where
 are the instructions?
 

i don't think there will be a Debian for the Mac version of the powerPC as
long as these machine remain proprietary,there's version of linux for the
IBM powerPC line but the only linux distribution especially for the Mac
PPC is available at:

http://www.mklinux.apple.com/

i did research some documentation there and their linux version have
some files covered under another licence than the GPL due to the
proprietary nature of the machine (and these files i'm talking'bout are
sometime critical to linux)

hope this help.

Alain


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Re: first kernel compile first failed kernel !!!!!

1998-04-20 Thread Alain Toussaint
 I am assuming that you either compiled support for these directly into the
 kernel or you have no need for them.  If this is the case, edit
 /etc/modules and remove the references to linear, cdrom, and serial.

i compiled them in the kernel (and yes i trully need them as i only have 1
machine and need access to the internet).

thanks a lot for all the help you have given to me,it was very usefull.

Alain


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Re: Install disks for PowerPC

1998-04-20 Thread Richard L Shepherd
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Alain Toussaint wrote:

  where are they?  I see a directory for disks-i386 and several other
  platforms (alpha, sparc and m68k) but no disks-powerpc.
  
  So how does one get started installing Debian on a PowerPC MAC, and where
  are the instructions?
  
 
 i don't think there will be a Debian for the Mac version of the powerPC as
 long as these machine remain proprietary,there's version of linux for the
 IBM powerPC line but the only linux distribution especially for the Mac
 PPC is available at:

Thanx for the reply.  So how does one get started with the IBM PowerPC
then if there are no disks-powerpc?

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does samba support user list REQUESTS

1998-04-20 Thread Paul Miller

Does Samba support user list requests -- sending a list of users to remote
machines upon request.. Novell 3.11 and Win NT do this.. does Samba?

Thanks
-Paul


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no popclient?

1998-04-20 Thread Richard L Shepherd
I see that popclient has been missing for sometime.  I have a machine with
popclient installed from some time ago (early days of bo).  Just recently
it has stopped working and I see no alternative package to get either the
binary (popclient) or the equivalent (lightweight) functionality.

The error I get when trying to pop off ANY server via my (rather old)
popclient binary now is:

popclient: querying mailserv.waikato.ac.nz at Mon Apr 20 15:23:43 1998
popclient: openuserfolder: open(): No such file or directory

Now all my local mail readers work fine so there's no reason I know of why
it's not happy anymore.  The only shared lib it uses is libc5 (which I
have).

Any ideas on how to fix this or what else to use?

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Changing xterm titles to something more usefull than 'xterm'

1998-04-20 Thread Norbert Veber
Is there a simple way to make xterms display the current command beeing
executed in the window?  By simple I mean without patching and recompiling 
bash and/or xterm.  I know that you can change the title using the -T command
line option, but I want it to change dynamically depending on what I'm doing 
in that xterm.  This would work nicelly with afterstep's window list module.  

To make it display the current path, something like this can be used 
(in bash):
PS1='([EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w)% \[\033]0;\w\007\]'

But how can I make it display the name of the command?



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Re: no popclient?

1998-04-20 Thread Bob Nielsen
Use fetchmail.

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Richard L Shepherd wrote:

 I see that popclient has been missing for sometime.  I have a machine with
 popclient installed from some time ago (early days of bo).  Just recently
 it has stopped working and I see no alternative package to get either the
 binary (popclient) or the equivalent (lightweight) functionality.
 
 The error I get when trying to pop off ANY server via my (rather old)
 popclient binary now is:
 
 popclient: querying mailserv.waikato.ac.nz at Mon Apr 20 15:23:43 1998
 popclient: openuserfolder: open(): No such file or directory
 
 Now all my local mail readers work fine so there's no reason I know of why
 it's not happy anymore.  The only shared lib it uses is libc5 (which I
 have).
 
 Any ideas on how to fix this or what else to use?
 
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XFree 3.3.2 and TGUI9680

1998-04-20 Thread seth
After a recent harddrive failure I moved from bo to hamm.  I quickly
discovered that XF86 in hamm doesn't seem to like my tgui9680 vid card.
The svga server loads, but all I get is a black screen, and after hitting
ctrl-alt-bkspc I get:
waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.

This can be remedied by reinstalling just the svga server from bo (3.3).
Any ideas on what's causing this and how to get around it?

tgui9680 w/ 1meg
Triton II VX
Cyrix 150+
40 Meg ram.

Thanks,

Seth

There is no Emotion, There is Peace
There is no Ignorance, There is Knowledge
There is no Passion, There is Serenity
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Re: Install disks for PowerPC

1998-04-20 Thread Alain Toussaint
 Thanx for the reply.  So how does one get started with the IBM PowerPC
 then if there are no disks-powerpc?

you check elsewhere for now,it's a very real possibility that Debian
developper are crafting a very good distribution but that need time and
they seem to be very busy (with the release of hamm i.e. Debian 2.0) if
you need something that'll run on a IBM PPC,you can take a look at the
linuxppc web site ( http://www.linuxppc.org if my memory is exact,i'll
check when reconnecting to the internet i.e. in a few minutes).

HTH (Hope That Help)
Alain


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I have a pppd connection problem.

1998-04-20 Thread Szomor Attila
Dear Madam/Sir,

My internet provider changed his router parameter because his win95 users
must to use bring up terminal window after connection. Since this option
(Cisco/Group-Async/no ppp authentication pap)changed I do not make a correct
connection and get two error messages:
--ppp not replacing existing default route to eth0[0.0.0.0]
--Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
I do not have idea what is a solution if you know it please send me an
e-mail.

Kind regards,

Attila Szomor
26 Szeder Street, Pécs, 7627 Hungary
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have Debian GNU linux 1.3 with 2.0.33 kernel and pppd 2.2.0, ppp
parameters see below:
(ifconfig - ppp0 OK, route - remote OK !!! but default is eth0 not ppp0
!!!)
/etc/ppp/options
  asyncmap 0
  crtscts
  lock
  modem
  noipdefault
  proxyarp
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets
  # OUTBOUND connections
  aszomor   *   mypassword
/etc/ppp/ip-up is empty
/etc/ppp/ip-down is empty
/etc/ppp.chatscript
  TIMEOUT   60
  ABORT  BUSY
  ABORT  NO CARRIER
  ABORT  VOICE
  ABORT  NO DIALTONE
 ATZ
  OK ATF
  OK ATDT504004
  CONNECT  
  name:--name: aszomor
  assword:mypassword
  ~ 
/usr/local/sbin/ppp-on
  #!/bin/sh
  /usr/sbin/pppd connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp.chatscript' \
  /dev/ttyS1 19200 \
  defaultroute \
  name aszomor

/var/log/syslog
Apr 18 18:40:53 starfish pppd[441]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: timeout set to 60 seconds
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: abort on (BUSY) 
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: abort on (NO CARRIER) 
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: abort on (VOICE) 
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) 
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: send (ATZ^M) 
Apr 18 18:40:54 starfish chat[442]: expect (OK) 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: ATZ^M^M 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: OK -- got it 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: send (ATF^M) 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: expect (OK) 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: ^M 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: ATF^M^M 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: OK -- got it 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: send (ATDT504004^M) 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: expect (CONNECT) 
Apr 18 18:40:55 starfish chat[442]: ^M 
Apr 18 18:41:28 starfish chat[442]: ATDT504004^M^M 
Apr 18 18:41:28 starfish chat[442]: CONNECT -- got it 
Apr 18 18:41:28 starfish chat[442]: send (^M) 
Apr 18 18:41:28 starfish chat[442]: expect (name:) 
Apr 18 18:41:28 starfish chat[442]:  14400/LAPM-V^M 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: ^M 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: ^M 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: User Access Verification^M 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: ^M 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: Username: -- got it 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: send (aszomor^M) 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: expect (word:) 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]:  aszomor^M 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: Password: -- got it 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: send (mypassword^M) 
Apr 18 18:41:29 starfish chat[442]: expect (~) 
Apr 18 18:41:30 starfish chat[442]:  ^M 
Apr 18 18:41:30 starfish chat[442]: Entering PPP mode.^M 
Apr 18 18:41:30 starfish chat[442]: Async interface address is unnumbered
(Ethernet1/0)^M 
Apr 18 18:41:30 starfish chat[442]: Your IP address is 195.228.67.250. MTU
is 1500 bytes^M 
Apr 18 18:41:30 starfish chat[442]: Header compression will match your
system.^M 
Apr 18 18:41:30 starfish chat[442]: ^M 
Apr 18 18:41:33 starfish chat[442]: ~ -- got it 
Apr 18 18:41:33 starfish chat[442]: send (^M) 
Apr 18 18:41:33 starfish pppd[441]: Serial connection established.
Apr 18 18:41:34 starfish pppd[441]: Using interface ppp0
Apr 18 18:41:34 starfish pppd[441]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1
Apr 18 18:41:36 starfish pppd[441]: local  IP address 195.228.67.250
Apr 18 18:41:36 starfish pppd[441]: remote IP address 195.228.67.2
Apr 18 18:41:36 starfish pppd[441]: ppp not replacing existing default route
to eth0[0.0.0.0]
Apr 18 18:41:36 starfish pppd[441]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP


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RE: Changing xterm titles to something more usefull than 'xterm'

1998-04-20 Thread Mike Brownlow
On 20-Apr-98 Norbert Veber wrote:
 Is there a simple way to make xterms display the current command
 beeing executed in the window? By simple I mean without patching and
 recompiling bash and/or xterm. I know that you can change the title
 using the -T command line option, but I want it to change dynamically
 depending on what I'm doing in that xterm. This would work nicelly
 with afterstep's window list module.  
 
 To make it display the current path, something like this can be used 
 (in bash):
 PS1='([EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w)% \[\033]0;\w\007\]'
 
 But how can I make it display the name of the command?
 

Changing the title bar dynamically can be done with the PROMPT_COMMAND
environment variable (in bash). In my bashrc I have:

function settitle
{
#  title=[EMAIL PROTECTED]:(`date +%k:%M:%S`):`pwd`
  title=[EMAIL PROTECTED]:(`date +%k:%M:%S`):`history 1`
  echo -n ^[]2;$title^G  /dev/tty
}

if [ $TERM = xterm ] || [ $TERM = xterm-color ]; then
PROMPT_COMMAND=settitle
PS1='\h:\u  '
fi

The first title assignment is useful when I want to know the current
directory while having a small prompt. Also for telling when an xterm
was last used.

The second one only lists the last command executed. Don't know how to
list the current one.

Hope this helps!

(thanks go to Glynn Clements on linux-admin for this tid-bit)

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Running XDVI from netscape

1998-04-20 Thread King Lee

Hello, 

I installed Netscape 4.04 (in a private directory) last year
and after fiddling with preferences (Edit - preferences
-Navigator-Applications)  I was able to bring up XDVI when
I clicked on a .dvi file and a ghostview  when I click on a .ps 
file.  I was running RedHat 4.02 (I think).  

I installed Debian 1.3.1 last month, and Netscape works without
having to reinstall.  However now when I click on a 
.dvi or .ps file, I get message:

sh -c line 1: missing closing `)' for arithmetic expression
sh -c line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' 
sh -c line 1: ((/hda8/Tex/bin/xdvi /tmp/M...dvi);rm /tmp/Mdvi)

The relevant .mailcap entry is 
  
application/x-dvi;/hda8/Tex/bin/xdvi %s

Can anyone help fix problem.

King Lee
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errors while uninstalling pppupd

1998-04-20 Thread Britton

I got the following:

Removing pppupd ...
/etc/init.d/pppupd: line 28: syntax error near unexpected token
`force-reload)'
/etc/init.d/pppupd: line 28: `  force-reload)'
dpkg: error processing pppupd (--remove):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2


Britton Kerin
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Tape Orientated Backup Bug

1998-04-20 Thread Tim Metz
Downloaded the unstable Debian Tape-Orientated Backup package (tob_0.14-4.deb) 
tonight and had something
interesting (frustrating) happen, posting here so that others may avoid 
similar problems...

1. Installed package - dpkg -i tob_0.14-4.deb
2. Intended to execute tob -check as documented in the man page,
   made typo and ran tob check instead (as root, under /dev directory).
   I avoid running new programs as root if possible, but one must be root to 
run tob.
3. ALL DEVICE FILES UNDER /dev GONE!!!  MAKEDEV SCRIPT GONE TOO!!!

Luckily I had access to the makedev package and was able to regenerate the 
device files without much pain.
I'm not sure if the typo had anything to do with it, but I noticed lines in 
the tob script
such as $RM -f $TOBLISTS/$2.Full*.  I would suspect some variable didn't get 
set and this
got interpreted as $RM -f *.

- Tim
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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread Paul Miller
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, C.J.LAWSON wrote:

 Well for what it is worth my own opinion is that 95 just like its forbears
 is an app. loaded on dos and for this reason I think we should be talking
 about whether or not dos is a true multi-tasking OS ... It certainly is
 capable of becoming one. The question is, has it be implemented?

Ever try Windows '98?  Well, if you haven't, don't count on M$ ever
learning how to design a real operating system.  Yesterday I heard a
commercial on the radio about Win98 being the OS of future businesses...
Win98 runs one hell of a lot slower than Win95 and multitasks even worse.. 
I don't know where M$ came up with Win98 running programs faster than
Win95..   Win98 is a disaster; _never_ install it, it is a complete waste
of time and money.

Maybe Gates should fire all the so-called programmers and hire a few
monkeys to get the job done!  I guess that comment was a little harsh,
but necessay to get the point across

-Paul


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Re: Faster swap by using separate disk?

1998-04-20 Thread Paul Miller

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Remco Blaakmeer writes:
   The second thing that you can do is to move up to the new ultra-DMA
   IDE drives. The bandwidth (bytes per second) is much higher than the
   standard IDE drives and will speed up Linux as a whole.
  
  If you want to really speed up your hard drives, switch to multiple SCSI
  drives. Period.
  
 
 Yes, to a point! If one is to go all the way, then make it wide fast SCSI3
 drives which spin at 10,000 rpm and use a PCI based RAID SCSI controller with
 _many_ of these GIGAbyte drives! Did anyone mention myriabucks? (one
 myriabuck = $10,000) 8-) The newer SCSI controllers will handle up to 15
 drives per cable. 8-) (not to mention the startup current blanking out half 
 a city and the resonances sounding like a jet plane taking off 8-) ) 
 Just joking! In all due seriousness, while an IDE drive will never match a
 decent SCSI setup, IDEs are less expensive and ultra-DMA IDE drives, IMHO,
 represent the most bang for the buck (performance for the money)
 


hmm... I have 64 megs of EDO RAM and two ~104 meg swap paritions and Linux
rarely touches them, and even if it does, it only uses less than 10 megs..
Has Linux decided my 6-year old, 208 meg drive is too slow?

I've also had a swap parition on a 3-year old 1.2 WD drive, it's not UDMA,
but it is 310% faster than the older drive.. Linux didn't touch that
either .. I've even tried to make Linux use it by openning tons of huges X
programs (i.e.  multiple Netscape windows) and it'd only use about 15 megs
at max. 

I have a 6.4 WD UDMA drive installed now, maybe I should try it out.  Is
it worth it?

BTW- the hdparm -t values for those IDE drives are approximately 1.05
megs/sec, 3.27 megs/sec, 8.51 megs/sec, respectively.

-Paul


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Re: Is X breaking my monitor?

1998-04-20 Thread Paul Miller
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote:

 On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, The Thought Assassin wrote:
 
  On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Will Lowe wrote:
   Every few minutes,  the screen wavers a little -- like it was made of
   jelly and someone's shaking in just the slightest bit.  Is this a
   monitor problem,  or is my video card going,  or have aliens changed the
   properties of the local space-time continuum?
  
  Check for new sources of electromagnetic radiation that might have been
  introduced to the vicinity.
  Speakers, motors, toasters, UFOs...
  
  -Greg Mildenhall
 
 Also, is there an electric space heater or fan that might be kicking in
 about the same time as you notice the interference? Does the location of
 the system have old or overloaded wiring? Could it be that the timing of
 the interference coincides with the heating element of an electric dryer,
 aquarium heater, refrigerator compressor or automatic dishwasher pump?
 Do you notice the intensity of the room lighting changing at the same time
 or hear any background noise that might tip you off to the source?
 
 It might also be that the power supply in the monitor or trouble with its
 degaussing circuit.
 

Also, I had a radio interference problem when I first setup X ... you
should try changing the vertical and horizontal frequencies -- If your
situation only occurs in X, and not in a text based console, DOS, or
Windows, it is probably some type radio interference. 

You may want to check the electrical wiring too.  Make sure that the
monitor cables aren't near power cables or any poorly insulated wires.

I hope this information will help more than the UFO theory!
-Paul


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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
 
 On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, C.J.LAWSON wrote:
 
  Well for what it is worth my own opinion is that 95 just like its forbears
  is an app. loaded on dos and for this reason I think we should be talking
  about whether or not dos is a true multi-tasking OS ... It certainly is
  capable of becoming one. The question is, has it be implemented?
 
 Ever try Windows '98?  Well, if you haven't, don't count on M$ ever
 learning how to design a real operating system.  Yesterday I heard a
 commercial on the radio about Win98 being the OS of future businesses...
 Win98 runs one hell of a lot slower than Win95 and multitasks even worse.. 
 I don't know where M$ came up with Win98 running programs faster than
 Win95..   Win98 is a disaster; _never_ install it, it is a complete waste
 of time and money.

OK there we are, a genuine M$-Windoze == shit thread.

Cut it off please, if you want this type of discussion there are plenty
news groups filled with it.  Let's keep this a _useful_ list.

Eric Meijer


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Re: Running XDVI from netscape

1998-04-20 Thread King Lee

Michael Tempsch writes:
  
  I installed Netscape 4.04 (in a private directory) last year
  and after fiddling with preferences (Edit - preferences
  -Navigator-Applications)  I was able to bring up XDVI when
  I clicked on a .dvi file and a ghostview  when I click on a .ps 
  file.  I was running RedHat 4.02 (I think).  
  
  I installed Debian 1.3.1 last month, and Netscape works without
  having to reinstall.  However now when I click on a 
  .dvi or .ps file, I get message:
  
  sh -c line 1: missing closing `)' for arithmetic expression
  sh -c line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `;' 
  sh -c line 1: ((/hda8/Tex/bin/xdvi /tmp/M...dvi);rm /tmp/Mdvi)
 
 Definately sounds like the bash-2.0 bug...
 
 Upgrade or downgrade bash.
 (alternately you could remove the symlink /bin/sh-/bin/bash and instead
 create the symlink /bin/sh-/bin/ash if you have ash installed)
 
Thanks Michael  for quick response.

I don't have ash loaded, but I have ksh. I link /bin/sh - /bin/ksh
and I get another error message; now the parens are not balanced.

Hmm...  will another shell give me still different error messages?
I load ash from cdrom, and /bin/sh - /bin/ash - and IT WORKS.

A problem with shells seems more serious than one with application;
should I report this to someone? if so who. The problem  may be
with Netscape 4.04 since it seemed to have generated an illegal
script with ksh.


King Lee
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ATI expert@work AGP 8mb

1998-04-20 Thread Marlon

I have this vid. card and was attempting to install a win. manager.
The nearest sounding option for my card was the ATI Mach64.
but no dice, it looked all screwy.
I've heard that the problem was lack of support for AGP.
It's not vital that I run X but it would be nice.
Where can I get the proper drivers if they exist?
thanx.
Marlon



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Re: Super.tab syntax

1998-04-20 Thread C.L.Daugaard
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 09:29:33PM -0400, Brandon Mitchell wrote:
 
 Have you tried escaping the shell characters:
   echo \1\ \ /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

Thanks, I hadn't.  Unfortunately bash still complains about permissions.  I
additionally tried setting real uid to root, but when I run

super echo 1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

I still get

bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied

Puzzling.

Thanks again.

Curt


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What libs to use ???

1998-04-20 Thread Mario Filipe
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Hello

This is not really a debian problem, but i think that the people here can help
me.

I need to create a program that shows how much of it's task has been done (in
percentage maybe) and what is it doing currently. I could display this with
printf's but that would create a scroll effect that i do not want. So my
question is if there is any library (for C) that allowa's me to display the
whole thing on the same place, without the scrolling efect. I thought that
maybe readline or (n)curses would do! I would also apreciate if you could point
to the docs of the librarys that you reccomend.

Thank you and sorry for the off-topic question, and please cc directly to me.
Thanks!

Mario Filipe
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Re: Question.

1998-04-20 Thread Carey Evans
Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 This is what's known as a 'port scan'. Someone wants to see what network 
 services
 are available on your box. This would likely be a first step for a would-be
 intruder. You should probably alert someone at fuller.edu.

I don't think it is:

% host ftp.fuller.edu
ftp.fuller.edu  CNAME   deborah.fuller.edu
deborah.fuller.edu  A   206.1.27.5

So the connections are coming from the FTP server.

In the usual case, the FTP client will listen on a connection, on a
different port each time, for any data from the FTP server, so each of
these logged entries probably corresponds to getting a directory or
downloading a file from the server.  You can get some idea of what's
going on by using tcpdump and/or running FTP under strace:

% strace -e network ftp ftp.fuller.edu

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Netscape + Java + X 24 bpp

1998-04-20 Thread Fredrik Ax

System configuration:

 * Base: Debian 1.3.1 r6 (bo, libc5)
 * Kernel: version 2.0.30
 * X: XFree86 3.3.1 (debian packages 3.3-4) with the 
   S.u.S.E. XF86_SVGA server.
 * Gfx hw: Matrox Millenium II
 * Netscape: Communicator 4.04 pro (installed with the
   netscape4_4.0-5.deb package from hamm).


Problem:
 
 When accessing a page with java (applets) netscape crashes if I'm 
 running X in 24 bpp. Netscape don't crash if I'm running X in 8 or 
 16 bpp.


Anybody got netscape work with java in 24 bpp?

/fax


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Re: gzip question

1998-04-20 Thread John
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcus Brinkmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 12:38:54PM +0100, John wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Norbert Veber
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 12:11:06PM +0100, John wrote:
  Hello
  
  I have a non accessible (from linux) win95 partition [0]. I have
 
 Why is it non accessible?  Linux can read windows partitions, you can mount
 
 because it is doublespaced, and it must remain so.

So why don't you install dmsdos (available at sunsite), that gives you rw
access to doublespaced partitions (most of the times).

This is Linux we are talking about.

There is even a toolset to access Linux partitions from Windows (DOS).
Don't remember the name, though. Use the first solution.

Hey, this is *LINUX* we are talking about.

;)
Marcus


hey thanks - this, if it works, is *precisely* what I need.

:) thanks again

John


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Re: I have a pppd connection problem.

1998-04-20 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 09:13:16AM +0200, Szomor Attila wrote:

 --ppp not replacing existing default route to eth0[0.0.0.0]
 --Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
 I do not have idea what is a solution if you know it please send me an
 e-mail.

I don't think the settings on your ISP are the problem.  It sounds to me
like you changed the configuration of your own ethernet network.

pppd will not change the default route (the 0.0.0.0 in route -n) if it
already exists.  Probably you are setting it in /etc/init.d/network.  If you
want pppd to set the default route, you need to not set it yourself in
/etc/init.d/network.  To make your ethernet network operate, you can use
the route add -net command to add _just_ the IP subnet used by your
ethernet.  Then pppd is free to create the default route when you are
online, and remove it when you disconnect.

The other problem about proxy ARP is simple -- you don't need proxy ARP in a
dial-in configuration.  It would only work if your ethernet network had the
same IP subnet as the address you got from your ISP -- and that's unlikely
in your case.  This error isn't hurting anything, but you can get rid of it
by removing proxyarp from your ppp options.

Have fun,

Avery


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Re: finding leftovers

1998-04-20 Thread W Paul Mills
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote:

 Marcus Brinkmann writes:
 
  I think this is only linker confusion and has its cause by removing
  libraries and symlinks and running ldconfig in the wrong order.
 
  Policy about calling ldconfig in package scripts is changing at the moment,
  and we hope to have the proper solution implemented for 2.1.
 
  However, I don't think this is an indication for left-overs. Can you try
  running ldconfig again after dpkg has finished its job?
 
 I believe the problem is not in dpkg's ldconfig order...
 
 nr# ldconfig
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libdb.so.1 (No such 
 file or directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libext2fs.so (No such file or 
 directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libe2p.so (No such file or directory), 
 skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libuuid.so (No such file or 
 directory), skipping

These are probably just soft links to files that no longer exist. If 
so, delete them and rerun ldconfig.


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question about kernel

1998-04-20 Thread Maarten Bezemer

Hi!
A lot of the people here are running RH linux, and this morning all of 'em
crashed. RH seems to have a patch available, Debian doesn't.
Question: is Debian vulnerable for this?

-Maarten



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Re: Super.tab syntax

1998-04-20 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, C.L.Daugaard wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 09:29:33PM -0400, Brandon Mitchell wrote:

 I still get
 
   bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied

I don't use super, but it's interesting that bash is the one complaining
and not super.  You could make this a script and have users call the
script from super.  Just be careful because bash is over cautious about
suid operation and will drop is privleges if the euid != ruid.

Good luck,
Brandon

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Re: Running XDVI from netscape

1998-04-20 Thread Stephen Carpenter
I have seen this problem before.

 Thanks Michael  for quick response.

 Hmm...  will another shell give me still different error messages?
 I load ash from cdrom, and /bin/sh - /bin/ash - and IT WORKS.

 A problem with shells seems more serious than one with application;
 should I report this to someone? if so who. The problem  may be
 with Netscape 4.04 since it seemed to have generated an illegal
 script with ksh.

If the problem is with Netscape 4 then they already know about itA few months
back I was trying to get netscape to use
Play to play wav file soundsI had the exact same problem.
I tried everything (including using ;  ' and a cast of other chgaricters) in
the definition as to trick netscape into working
I had no luck at all and never thinking it could be a bug in bash
reported it as a bug in netscapes bug system
just thinking now...
maybe if I strace netscapeit will show what the actual command line that it
passes is...hmm...
but if it works with ashI can see no reason as a temporary fix to change sh
to link
to ash
(ill try it again when I get home)
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Re: Running XDVI from netscape

1998-04-20 Thread Egon Schmid
The problem is definitly bash 2.0. Try a real shell. This was an answer
from a netscape person (name forgotten but can be found in the emacs
manual)

-Egon

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote:

 I have seen this problem before.
 
  Thanks Michael  for quick response.
 
  Hmm...  will another shell give me still different error messages?
  I load ash from cdrom, and /bin/sh - /bin/ash - and IT WORKS.
 
  A problem with shells seems more serious than one with application;
  should I report this to someone? if so who. The problem  may be
  with Netscape 4.04 since it seemed to have generated an illegal
  script with ksh.
 
 If the problem is with Netscape 4 then they already know about itA few months
 back I was trying to get netscape to use
 Play to play wav file soundsI had the exact same problem.
 I tried everything (including using ;  ' and a cast of other chgaricters) in
 the definition as to trick netscape into working
 I had no luck at all and never thinking it could be a bug in bash
 reported it as a bug in netscapes bug system
 just thinking now...
 maybe if I strace netscapeit will show what the actual command line that 
 it
 passes is...hmm...
 but if it works with ashI can see no reason as a temporary fix to change 
 sh
 to link
 to ash
 (ill try it again when I get home)
 -Steve
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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread Carroll Kong
Windows 98 and NT require more ram to be faster than 95.  Otherwise,
it's overbloated kernel and other system sucking resources will force you to hit
your harddrive (memory paging via swap file / disk) and that wil cause such a
slow down.  Personally, I find windows 95 and nt have faster response times on
some windows vs my X all oses have their purposes, I personally favor Linux
with X11 rather than MS for my general internetting pleasure.
I only tried a few betas of Windows 98, like I said.. needs more ram.
:)

Carroll Kong

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Paul Miller wrote:

 On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, C.J.LAWSON wrote:
 
  Well for what it is worth my own opinion is that 95 just like its forbears
  is an app. loaded on dos and for this reason I think we should be talking
  about whether or not dos is a true multi-tasking OS ... It certainly is
  capable of becoming one. The question is, has it be implemented?
 
 Ever try Windows '98?  Well, if you haven't, don't count on M$ ever
 learning how to design a real operating system.  Yesterday I heard a
 commercial on the radio about Win98 being the OS of future businesses...
 Win98 runs one hell of a lot slower than Win95 and multitasks even worse.. 
 I don't know where M$ came up with Win98 running programs faster than
 Win95..   Win98 is a disaster; _never_ install it, it is a complete waste
 of time and money.
 
 Maybe Gates should fire all the so-called programmers and hire a few
 monkeys to get the job done!  I guess that comment was a little harsh,
 but necessay to get the point across
 
 -Paul


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Re: question about kernel

1998-04-20 Thread Carroll Kong
Yes.  There is the new 'nestea' attack ... linux is linux, regardless of
distribution.  In other words, debian is definately vulnerable, there are
patches available.  I forgot exactly where I got mine, (sorry), but it is
something like ip_fragment.c and you throw it into your kernel source tree and
recompile it... 


Carroll Kong

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Maarten Bezemer wrote:

 
 Hi!
 A lot of the people here are running RH linux, and this morning all of 'em
 crashed. RH seems to have a patch available, Debian doesn't.
 Question: is Debian vulnerable for this?
 
 -Maarten


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Re: question about kernel

1998-04-20 Thread Maarten Bezemer


On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Carroll Kong wrote:

   Yes.  There is the new 'nestea' attack ... linux is linux,
 regardless of  distribution.  In other words, debian is definately
 vulnerable, there are patches available.  I forgot exactly where I got
 mine, (sorry), but it is something like ip_fragment.c and you throw it
 into your kernel source tree and recompile it... 

thanks, but as you're not certain, I guess it was not on www.debian.org?

Well, knowing the name makes it a lot easier to look for ;-)

-Maarten.


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Re: why?

1998-04-20 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Why would any list accept an email message with the above in the To:
 header?

Your question could be asking one of two different things:
1) Why would the list accept mail with an obviously bogus To:
header?
2) Why would the list accept mail that doesn't have the list address
in the To: or Cc: header fields?

The answer to 1) is that the list software can't tell what addresses
are obviously fake - just because an email address isn't valid by
the time it reaches the listserv doesn't mean it's a fake.  (As an
example, suppose I have an internal network with a mail gateway.  I
send something to someone else on the internal network and Cc: it to
the list.  The To: header ends up looking like To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which is a valid mail address only internally.  The listserv couldn't
tell the difference betweeen this and an obviously fake address.)

The answer to 2) is that the listserv does this right now because it's 
easier than checking all the header fields.  However, there's no
technical reason (other than that one might have to rewrite the
list-processing software again) for not doing this that I can see.  It 
would disallow people Bcc:'ing stuff to the list, but for an open list 
with publicly accessible archives, is this really a necessary feature?

 Also, someone in the US State of Maryland might want to consider donating
 a mail server for Debian. That email would have been grounds for criminal
 charges had the server been located in Maryland.


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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread C.J.LAWSON

 commercial on the radio about Win98 being the OS of future businesses...
 Win98 runs one hell of a lot slower than Win95 and multitasks even worse.. 
 I don't know where M$ came up with Win98 running programs faster than
 Win95..   Win98 is a disaster; _never_ install it, it is a complete waste
 of time and money.

Well if decide to pay for a doddgy OS when an excellent free one is
available ...On your head be it

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Re: Big hard disks

1998-04-20 Thread Stephen Carpenter
Larry Panzer wrote:

 Thanks to everyone who helped me on my last question.  Now that I have
 decided on getting a bigger hard disk (I looking at about a 1GB) I have
 heard of or know of the following problems:

 Can I plug a 1GB EIDE disk into a normal IDE controller with a CD-ROM, and
 will it be standard IDE interface be able to access the full disk? Some
 BIOS's don't boot with a HDD over 500MB if they are older.  My BIOS is (C)
 1992 ZDS (Zenith Data Systems).

it sounds like you have a problemI doubt a BIOS (c) 1992 will boot a 1 gig
drive..also I doubt it would work well
without the seup utility (ive had problems with NEWER BIOSes than that)
from what I understand you could do this...
keep your existing drive and add the new one...
Linux (AFAIK) doesn't nee dthe BIOS fo rmuch beyond booting...
so even if the BIOS doesn't know about the new drive linux will
and then you can partition and format the drive and distribute its
bigness however you wantsnip

  My current HDD is a Western Digital 125MB,
 therefore couldn't you just let the BIOS think it's only 125MB and have it
 read off the MBR to load LILO?

from what I understand this SHOULD work fine...

 Then (from looking at some Mini-HOWTO's) you
 could tell LILO of the correct drive geometry? The final problem I have is
 once I can boot off this big drive, what is the best way to partition it?

thats really hard to say...Ive never really found any good info on thatas I use 
1
drive Ipartition as follows: (for my 3.2 gig drive)
1024 MB/ (root partition)
swap is equal to physical RAMbut...I have 128 MB of RAM so...
thats enough... for less I would got for about 2x RAM or more
and...
the rest is /home (because 90% of the data that I can not replace if it dies is
n home directories)but thats just me

 Do I have to mount all these partitions to their directories every time I
 boot up, and won't this mess up the way files are installed by dselect, or
 the basic Linux install its self? Thanks for your help, it's greatly
 appreciated.

during the install you can specify the partitions and where they map tothen it
will make changes to /etc/fstab
on boot mount will use /etc/fstab to tell it where to mount everything
for you :)


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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
 
   Win98 runs one hell of a lot slower than Win95 and multitasks even 
   worse.. 
  
  Cut it off please, if you want this type of discussion there are plenty
  news groups filled with it.  Let's keep this a _useful_ list.
  
 
 Sorry, but this is valuable information ... so you knew it, some of us
 didn't 
 

I didn't know it, and I don't care.  To me, this is worthless
information.

This is not valuable information about debian or is it?
I happen to have some very valuable information on how to play the
classical guitar.  Would you like me to post that to debian-user?

The internet is full of win9[58] babbling.  When it doesn't have any
relation to debian, it does _not_ belong on this list.

Eric Meijer


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PPP and Ethernet

1998-04-20 Thread Richard L. Alhama
I work for an ISP here in the Philippines.

I have a permanent ethernet connection to the Internet and would like to
use my modem to dial-up to our router which assigns dynamic IP
addresses.  Anyway, the purpose of dialing to our router is to monitor
the dial-up lines and to check the connection rate.

I don't know much about networking and shell scripting. I need your
help!

BTW, Debian and Linux rocks!!!

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Re: finding leftovers

1998-04-20 Thread Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella
W Paul Mills writes:

 nr# ldconfig
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libdb.so.1 (No such 
 file or directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libext2fs.so (No such file or 
 directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libe2p.so (No such file or 
 directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libuuid.so (No such file or 
 directory), skipping

 These are probably just soft links to files that no longer exist. If 
 so, delete them and rerun ldconfig.

Yes. You are right.

$ ls -l /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   15 Oct 16  1997 libdb.so.1 - 
libdb.so.1.85.1

And these symlinks are leftovers from upgrades in my system -- not
sure which upgrades.

I guess I'll just delete them and just forget about it :^

Thanks.

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OUT OF TOPIC: squid and ftp

1998-04-20 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Hi everybody,

excuse me for being out of topic but I have a little
problem with the squid web cache and if somebody know how
to solve it I will thank him for a LOT of time...

ftpget doesn't work.I am pretty sure  the conf file
has all the right options in it, squid launch ftpget as a
server (ftpget -S #soucket number etc...). note that this is
squid 1.1.20 compiled from original tarbal on a SuSE system.
(yes, i know debin is better... but this machine is suse and we
can't change it too easily).

thank you very much,
Federico 


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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread Paul Miller
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, C.J.LAWSON wrote:

  Windows 98 and NT require more ram to be faster than 95.  Otherwise,
 This is an issue that is dear to my heart ... I want my memory to be used
 /principally/ for my applications not gobbled up by my OS!
 

I have 64 megs of ram in my Dell 200... and Windows 98 doesn't even
compare to the speed on 95...  even when openning the start menu, Win98
takes 5 to 10 seconds longer.. and browsing through my computer (in
Classic style) is also extremely slow...  KDE is much faster, but it needs
a lot of work..

-Paul



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Re: Exim and procmail

1998-04-20 Thread David Wright
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Daniel Quinlan wrote:

 |IFS=' '  exec /usr/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 daniel
 
as my .forward 

I don't think it knows what exit 75 daniel means. There should be a #
to comment out your username: #daniel

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supressing return mail with at

1998-04-20 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

I have a screwball link in my apartment, a 9600 isn line.  ANd, unfortunately, 
the m-soft  right- is ^S with bit 8 high.  There is no way to reset the 
adaptor from my end using this; it needs a complete reset, losing the line, or 
a ^Q from the host.

I tossed together a 2 line script to run with at, to give me a ^Q every 
minute:
echo -n bbb  /dev/ttyp8
at -f testfile now + 1 minutes

(in which I would have to change the ttyp before launching, and use ^Q rather 
than BBB).

THis works, but sends an email confirmation every minute.  reading the 
manfile, it looks like the most I can do is change where the mail goes, not 
supress it.  Or is there a way to do this?

rick

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Zen and the art of working with NT

1998-04-20 Thread Stephen Carpenter
I have a linux machine here which is low on hard disk space
my idea was to mount my Windows NT home directory here at work
and use it for extra space (I can up my spcae by 2 gigs that way)
o far I have mounted my home drive
\\home5\sjc8$ on /mnt/partners with smbmount
because o fmy specific problems I was trying to do the following:
create a second extended filesystem in a file on the NT home dir
and then mount that filesystem (I need a filesystem that will hole my
files and care about case and permissions
I am planning on using it to image CDs to burn (hamm hamm hamm :) )
why wont it work?
I can make an e2fs filesystem but when I try to moungt it anywhere I get
errors
I tried the following example
cd ~
touch test.e2
mke2fs -F test.e2 500
(it makes a filesystem)
mkdir testmnt
mount test.e2 -o loop testmnt
and it moutns!
then...
cp test.e2 /mnt/partners
mount /mnt/partners/test.e2 -o loop testmnt
and I get the errors loop: block 1 not present and a bunch of others
then I tried
cd /mnt/partners
mkdir testmnt
and same deal
anyone tried this? can it work? what sthe problem?
-Steve
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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-20 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Adam Shand wrote:

 
  PERSONAL_BIAS
Use bash (instead of tcsh) and ssh (for connecting to remote hosts).
  /PERSONAL_BIAS
 
 is is there really any advantage to using bash over tcsh?

I much prefer tcsh for interactive use.  Having smart completion is the
best thing since sliced bread!

e.g.

$ cd [tab]  
 - shows and completes to directory names only
$ latex [tab]
 - shows and completes to .tex files only
$ emacs -[tab]
 - shows and completes to available options for that command.

Who would want to live without it?
Can bash be taught to do this?  It would be great.
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Re: Video Modes in X

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:57:36AM +1000, Chris wrote:
 
 
 I am trying to get my X running 1152x862 at 16 bpp - Vertical scan = 60Hz,
 Horizontal Scan = 56Hz.
 
 The only hastle is that there is no modeline for this in my XF86Config,
 and I don't know how to write one.
 
 Can anyone help :)

/usr/doc/X11/VideoModes.doc
XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO.gz

and a little aside:

/usr/doc/svgatextmode/creating_textmodes_from_scratch.HOWTO.gz
/usr/doc/svgatextmode/monitor-timings.howto.gz

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Re: Exim and procmail

1998-04-20 Thread Stephen Carpenter
George Bonser wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Daniel Quinlan wrote:

  hi,
 now I know I can't be the only one using Exim and procmail, so I must
  be doing something weird.

 Uhm, you probably ARE the only one using Exim and Procmail!  Exim has its
 own filtering and delivery scripting built-in so there is no need for
 procmail.

I am sad to report he is not the only one using exim and procmailI use them
alsohave it working well though with fetchmail
hmmm maybe I will check out exim's own mail delivery stuff
I do so like procmail though (and sort of need it for a project but thats
completely anothe rstory)

 Go to www.exim.org and read the exim filter specification.

ill check this out...
hmm maybe this should be mentioned in the description of the exim package?
I don't remember it saying anything about that...just said its easier to
configure
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Re: Q: Suport for IR?

1998-04-20 Thread Mike Miller
There is the Linux/IR project [1].  I've never looked into it
though.  I've got an IrDA port on my laptop, but don't have
anything to talk to with it.

Mike

[1] URL:http://www.cs.uit.no/~dagb/irda/irda.html


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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-20 Thread Adam Shand

 I much prefer tcsh for interactive use.  Having smart completion is the
 best thing since sliced bread!

hmm, i'm didn't know that you could do all these things.  i use simple
file name completion all the time, but the below stuff is sorta neat.

 $ cd [tab]  
  - shows and completes to directory names only
 $ latex [tab]
  - shows and completes to .tex files only

where does it get the relevant suffix from?  /etc/mime.types?

 $ emacs -[tab]
  - shows and completes to available options for that command.

this would be very cool as well.

 Who would want to live without it?
 Can bash be taught to do this?  It would be great.

how do you turn these features on?  they don't appear to be enabled by
default?

adam.




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Re: supressing return mail with at

1998-04-20 Thread Rainer Clasen
Hi!

Richard E. Hawkins Esq. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 I tossed together a 2 line script to run with at, to give me a ^Q every 
 minute:
 echo -n bbb  /dev/ttyp8
 at -f testfile now + 1 minutes

avoid output to stdout/err! at only sends mail if there is anything to send.
see at(1)

at -f testfile now + 1 minutes  /dev/null 21

but why don't you use cron?
see crontab(1,5) and run crontab -e to add a line like this:

1 * * * * echo -n bbb /dev/ttyp8

Gruß
 Rainer

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Re: Can emacs and xemacs coexist?

1998-04-20 Thread Keith Beattie
Christian Weisgerber wrote:

 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], shaul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  By the way, how can I tell the aliases in my .bashrc to work only when I am 
  using X (I don't need xemacs -geometry 87x28 when I am not using X) ?
 
 Use a function such as
 
 xemacs() {
   if [ -n $DISPLAY ]; then
 command xemacs -geometry 87x28 $@
   else
 command xemacs $@
   fi
 }
 

I believe that this could also be accomplished (in a simpler but less
interesting way) by setting the geometry resource in your ~/.Xdefaults
file.  Something like the line emacs.geometry: 87x28, though I
double check that.

HTH,
Keith


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UUCP question (important)

1998-04-20 Thread Nicolas Weinachter
Hello,

I want to create a connection between 2 unix machine (1 linux and 1 aix)
using uucp (the goal is to exchange mail) and in tcp mode.

I installed the taylor version of uucp on the 2 unix stations : the
install was successfull
I configured the 2.
My linux is named : pclin2
My aix is named : master (he is the server)

when i try to make the connection from ythe linux i have this error
message in the log file :

uucico master - (1998-04-17 18:22:05.55 23704) Calling system master
(port TCP)
uucico master - (1998-04-17 18:22:05.58 23704) ERROR: Line disconnected

 i tried various sort of invoking uucico but i can't see what is wrong.

When i invoke uucico from the linux, i type :
uucico -s master

On the server, i have put this next line in the inetd.conf :
uucp   stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/lib/uucp/uucico -x all -l
Is it correct ???


Can you help me ?
thank u

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FvwmWinList in hamm-fvwm

1998-04-20 Thread Marc Meier
After installing a hamm.system my fvwm configuration no longer works as
expected
FvwmWinListFocusFore/Back has no effect and the icon text is left
justified instead of centered as default.

Not a huge problem but it works with fvwm 2.0.45-BETA-4 in bo.


Marc


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Re: [sara@ora.com: NPR show on open source]

1998-04-20 Thread Douglas Bates
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  From: Sara Winge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:43 -0700
  Subject: NPR show on open source
 
  Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman are guests on
  NPR's Science Friday today--looks like the segment's
  from 12:30-1:00 pm PDT. More info at:
  http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/1998/Apr/hour2b_041798.html
 
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EXIM help

1998-04-20 Thread BRIAN SCHRAMM
 I am looking at the EXIM mail transport to handle the UUCP and pop
 mail that I have along with filtering mail and local mail.  I remember
 a person on this list that offered someone a copy of the mail files
 that they use.  Can I get a copy of them from anyone that is using
 this to filter mail, get mail from pop and uucp on a dial up
 connection and deliver mail locally.

 Any parts of that would be helpful too.

 Brian Schramm

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Re: [sara@ora.com: NPR show on open source]

1998-04-20 Thread Douglas Bates
Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   From: Sara Winge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:43 -0700
   Subject: NPR show on open source
  
   Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman are guests on
   NPR's Science Friday today--looks like the segment's
   from 12:30-1:00 pm PDT. More info at:
   http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/1998/Apr/hour2b_041798.html

 RealAudio is available at
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/980417.totn.ram

Make that
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/980417.totn.02.ram
if you just want the last hour.  The Free Software segment is the
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MP3 encoding

1998-04-20 Thread Corey Miller
Does anyone know of any good mp3 encoding programs for linux?
Thanks,

Corey Miller

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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-20 Thread Keith Beattie
Adam Shand wrote:
 
  PERSONAL_BIAS
Use bash (instead of tcsh) and ssh (for connecting to remote hosts).
  /PERSONAL_BIAS
 
 running a couple of days behind here but ...
 
 are there reasons for your personal bias?  i definately agree with using
 ssh for connecting to hosts (auto setting of display variable, encryption,
 encrypted tunnelling of x sessions, rsa authentications etc etc).
 
 is is there really any advantage to using bash over tcsh?
 
 i use tcsh because it's what i learned first and now it's familiar... but
 i've been looking for a reason to be bothered swapping over to bash.
 
 can you convince me?  :)
 

How 'bout I just tell you why I prefer bash these days.  (I'm not
interested in starting or participating in a religious war :)

I (only recently) have started to prefer bash over tcsh for two main
reasons:

1) I find myself working on several different OSs these days: WinNT,
Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.  Being able to have the same
shell everywhere is nice and I have found bash to be the easiest to
install on all these types of machines.  (autoconf is a beautiful
thing!)

2) Bash is Bourne Shell compatible.  This means that if I'm in a
situation where I cannot install bash, for whatever reason, I'm not
strangled by being unfamiliar with sh-flavor command line behavior.
(I've found that an unconfigured csh is about as friendly as
unconfigured ksh - both of which are found standard on most machines,
whereas bash and tcsh are usually only installed by people like me.)
This point is even stronger for scripts.  Very few scripts I find are
written in csh, so being familiar with Bourne syntax is more
productive.  (csh is supposed to be more C-like in it's syntax - I
find this very deceptive.  csh is about as C-like as French is
English-like.  Yes, there are similarities but they are very different
languages.  With bash around making sh as user-friendly as tcsh, I
might as well forget csh and learn sh.  (This is similar to why I
think Java/C can now replace C++, but I digress. :))

Of course this topic cannot be mentioned without the following
reference: http://language.perl.com/versus/csh.whynot

While there are still a few things I prefer about tcsh, I figure bash
can probably to it all, I just need to figure it out...  Reading the
rest of this thread just might be what I need!

Regards,
Keith

ps -  for those unfamiliar with the history of Unix shells:
  sh = Bourne Shell
  csh = C Shell (not sh compatible, a C-like shell)
  ksh = Kron Shell (an extension of sh)
  tcsh = Tenex(?) C shell (an extension of csh)
  bash = Bourne Again Shell (a sh compatible extension of sh with ksh,
 csh and tcsh functionality influence)
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Re: Changing xterm titles to something more usefull than 'xterm'

1998-04-20 Thread Norbert Veber
 Changing the title bar dynamically can be done with the PROMPT_COMMAND
 environment variable (in bash). In my bashrc I have:
 
 function settitle
 {
 #  title=[EMAIL PROTECTED]:(`date +%k:%M:%S`):`pwd`
   title=[EMAIL PROTECTED]:(`date +%k:%M:%S`):`history 1`
   echo -n ^[]2;$title^G  /dev/tty
 }
 
 if [ $TERM = xterm ] || [ $TERM = xterm-color ]; then
 PROMPT_COMMAND=settitle
 PS1='\h:\u  '
 fi

that would work too, but I think its a bit too complicated, I use this now:
HBLK='[[1;30m'
HBLU='[[1;34m'
BLU='[[0;34m'
YEL='[[0;33m'
WHT='[[0;37m'
NORM='[[1;0m'

case $TERM in
  xterm)
export
PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]
\[\033]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] \w\007\]'
  ;;
  *)
export
PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]
\]\[$NORM\]\[$YEL\][\[$WHT\]\w\[$YEL\]]\[$NORM\]\$ '
  ;;
esac

this one has a color prompt.. :)

 
 The second one only lists the last command executed. Don't know how to
 list the current one.

ah, I don't see any way of doing it..


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Ghosting and monitor settings for Xwindows

1998-04-20 Thread Matthew Lee
Hi, I noticed on some windows that overlap each other I can see a faint
line continuing down the edge of the top window corresponding to the
buried edge of the bottom window. Is this because my monitor clock rates
or other settings are incorrect? I have a Neomagic chip so I am using
the vga16 server. Should I buy AccelX to protect my screen? I have an
active matrix 800x600 laptop.

Much thanks,

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Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote:

 I have installed xfstt, but it seems to be documentation-poor.
 I know nothing of fonts in X (or in Windows for that matter -
 I guess I am the prototypical luser).  Where would I get some
 TTF fonts and where would I put them to use them?  Are there
 fonts of this sort that follow the DFSG (which I would prefer)?

You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use
any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. 
It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. You could
get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware fonts, but most of
these are very poorly licensed.

xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it manually,
do:

# xfstt 

... as root.

If you also run xfs, you'll have to put one of these font servers on
another port than the default (which is 7100). 'xfstt --help' and 'xfs
--help' are helpful here. But if you say you don't know anything about
fonts, you probably don't run xfs.

To let the X server use the fonts, you can do:

$ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100

... as any user that currently has access to the X server (i.e. you). 
This only works if the X server is already running and must be done every
time the X server is restarted.

If you want the X server to automatically use the fonts, you can add this
line to the Files section in /etc/X11/XF86Config :

FontPath   tcp/localhost:7100

If xfstt isn't running when X is started, the X server will not be able to
use the TTF fonts until you issue the xset command above.

I say again here, I don't know where GIMP gets its fonts. But if it gets
them from the X server, this is the way to get GIMP to use TTF fonts.

Also, note that xfstt is in an experimental state. It is not yet stable
and may crash or do things you don't expect now and then. But you could be
lucky and it may just work for you.

If you have any more questions, just ask.

Remco


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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-20 Thread Adam Shand

 1) I find myself working on several different OSs these days: WinNT,
 Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.  Being able to have the same
 shell everywhere is nice and I have found bash to be the easiest to
 install on all these types of machines.  (autoconf is a beautiful
 thing!) 

this is one of the main motivators for me also.  the fact that bash comes
with just about everything, and is easily installed (or already installed
by the geek before you) on what's left.

 2) Bash is Bourne Shell compatible.  This means that if I'm in a
 situation where I cannot install bash, for whatever reason, I'm not
 strangled by being unfamiliar with sh-flavor command line behavior.

again a good reason.  also the functionality of bash functions seems to
have well surpassed tcsh's aliases.  

 (I've found that an unconfigured csh is about as friendly as
 unconfigured ksh - both of which are found standard on most machines,

no kidding ... i learned on csh (sunos 4.1.1) ... talk about a horrible
experience ... it drove me to tcsh.

 This point is even stronger for scripts.  Very few scripts I find are
 written in csh, so being familiar with Bourne syntax is more

yack.  only program in sh/bash ... please.  it's so much nicer anyway i'm
not sure why anyone would want to write csh scripts.

 Of course this topic cannot be mentioned without the following
 reference: http://language.perl.com/versus/csh.whynot

yep.  a must read if you are tempted by the evil empire.

 While there are still a few things I prefer about tcsh, I figure bash

can you expound?  i'm curious.

  LocalWords:  Kron

eh?  what is this?

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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi,

 might as well forget csh and learn sh.  (This is similar to why I
 think Java/C can now replace C++, but I digress. :))

Ugh...I shudder the thought.  I like C++  :)(although, I can
understand why)

   ksh = Kron Shell (an extension of sh)
  LocalWords:  Kron

The correct name is Korn, not Kron.  Take a look at the man pages for
ksh.  :-)

-Ossama



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Re: Residual X11R5 and a.out errors?

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Britton wrote:

 
 While trying to install or remove X programs with dselect, I often get
 whole slews of errors like these:
 
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libdb.so.1 (No such
 file or directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R5/lib/libXt.so.3 (No such file or
 directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R5/lib/libXaw.so.3 (No such file or
 directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R5/lib/libX11.so.3 (No such file or
 directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXt.so.6 (No
 such file or directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXaw.so.6
 (No such file or directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libXIE.so.6
 (No such file or directory), skipping
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout/libX11.so.6
 (No such file or directory), skipping
 
 They all seem to relate to things that May have existed in 1.2 (even 1.3)
 for back compatibility but are presumably phased out now.  My system has
 been upgraded in place from 1.2, could these errors be holding over from
 then?  Is there something I should do to fix them?

These are most likely symlinks pointing to removed (obsolete) library
files. Try running ldconfig manually as root. If it still complains, check
that the symlinks are pointing to a file that doesn't exist and remove
them. They don't cause any harm if you leave them, but you can safely
remove them if you find them annoying.

Remco


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Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]

1998-04-20 Thread Stephen Carpenter
I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to someones
attention...
the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation!
I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package off of
sunsite
and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X
that I hada font server running!
hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a bug (I read that somewhere)
would  this also fall into that catergory?
the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how
to make the install usefull :(
-Steve

Remco Blaakmeer wrote:

 On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote:

  I have installed xfstt, but it seems to be documentation-poor.
  I know nothing of fonts in X (or in Windows for that matter -
  I guess I am the prototypical luser).  Where would I get some
  TTF fonts and where would I put them to use them?  Are there
  fonts of this sort that follow the DFSG (which I would prefer)?

 You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use
 any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue.
 It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. You could
 get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware fonts, but most of
 these are very poorly licensed.

 xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it manually,
 do:

 # xfstt 

 ... as root.

 If you also run xfs, you'll have to put one of these font servers on
 another port than the default (which is 7100). 'xfstt --help' and 'xfs
 --help' are helpful here. But if you say you don't know anything about
 fonts, you probably don't run xfs.

 To let the X server use the fonts, you can do:

 $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100

 ... as any user that currently has access to the X server (i.e. you).
 This only works if the X server is already running and must be done every
 time the X server is restarted.

 If you want the X server to automatically use the fonts, you can add this
 line to the Files section in /etc/X11/XF86Config :

 FontPath   tcp/localhost:7100

 If xfstt isn't running when X is started, the X server will not be able to
 use the TTF fonts until you issue the xset command above.

 I say again here, I don't know where GIMP gets its fonts. But if it gets
 them from the X server, this is the way to get GIMP to use TTF fonts.

 Also, note that xfstt is in an experimental state. It is not yet stable
 and may crash or do things you don't expect now and then. But you could be
 lucky and it may just work for you.

 If you have any more questions, just ask.

 Remco

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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 04:43:41PM +0200, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
  
Win98 runs one hell of a lot slower than Win95 and multitasks even 
worse.. 
   
   Cut it off please, if you want this type of discussion there are plenty
   news groups filled with it.  Let's keep this a _useful_ list.
  
  Sorry, but this is valuable information ... so you knew it, some of us
  didn't 
 
 I didn't know it, and I don't care.  To me, this is worthless
 information.

Then please try to ignore it. It is interesting for some of us and blaming
others helps to work together for the Good Thing. We all need a rest,
looking at the other things out there and compare. Human nature.
 
 This is not valuable information about debian or is it?

It is, because it shows where we are better ;)

 I happen to have some very valuable information on how to play the
 classical guitar.  Would you like me to post that to debian-user?

YES! Seriously, I play guitar and double bass. Another point is that the
debian-user list is a list for debian user, and therefore the topics vary
from technical discussion to rants about windows. I learned a lot on the
list that is not necessarily bound to Debian.

 The internet is full of win9[58] babbling.  When it doesn't have any
 relation to debian, it does _not_ belong on this list.

Well, IE 4 with Active Desktop is a piece of sh*t. I installed it on the
machine of my girl friend,and she wanted me to remove it instantly. With all
those circles and orange buttons, you can't find the folders and files any
more...

But I should stop, as you don't want to hear this...

Marcus

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IPX Routing Problem

1998-04-20 Thread Florian Attenberger
Hi,

I want to connect my IPX-Network via dialup to another IPX-network.  The
dialing PC should be the Gateway.  I know, how to get this working for
TCP/IP:
  
ipfwadm -F -p deny
ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0
(With these two lines i connect my localnet to the Internet)

How can i get the same with IPX 


Thanx a lot

Florian Attenberger

   


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Re: no popclient?

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Richard L Shepherd wrote:

 I see that popclient has been missing for sometime.  I have a machine with
 popclient installed from some time ago (early days of bo).  Just recently
 it has stopped working and I see no alternative package to get either the
 binary (popclient) or the equivalent (lightweight) functionality.
 
 The error I get when trying to pop off ANY server via my (rather old)
 popclient binary now is:
 
 popclient: querying mailserv.waikato.ac.nz at Mon Apr 20 15:23:43 1998
 popclient: openuserfolder: open(): No such file or directory
 
 Now all my local mail readers work fine so there's no reason I know of why
 it's not happy anymore.  The only shared lib it uses is libc5 (which I
 have).
 
 Any ideas on how to fix this or what else to use?

Some time ago, when the popclient program was enhanced to support more
protocols than just POP, the name was changed to fetchmail. fetchmail is
in bo (stable) and also in hamm (frozen).

Remco


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Re: Routing with Debian?

1998-04-20 Thread Florian Attenberger


On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Jonas Bofjall wrote:

 Here is my situation: I want to connect a laptop to the Internet using a
 PLIP connection to my Ethernet-connected workstation. This pretty much
 sums up what I have tried (except for those ifconfig's):
 
 on laptop:
 route add workstation-ip plip0
 route add default gw workstation-ip
 
 on workstation:
 route add laptop-ip plip0
 arp -s laptop-ip workstation-hw-addr
 
 I can ping any host on the LAN from that laptop now (including our
 router), but I can't access the outside world. This is the first time
 I do this and I have probably understood something wrong.
 
 A question: How does the router know that the hardware address of the
 laptop's IP (which normally belongs to another workstation that I have
 turned off) has changed? Previously I have switched Ethernet cards in
 a workstation and I had no problems accessing the Internet. How did the
 router find out the address had changed? Is there some sort of broadcast
 protocol that works the other way around, like: i am hw-addr and I
 have IP ip-addr? Is this the key?
 
 The laptop is running bo and the workstation a mix of bo and hamm.
 Thanks for any explanations here (I've read NAG and NET3-HOWTO)...


I had the same problem and got the following (working) answer in this
list:

 
ipfwadm -F -p deny
ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0   

192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 are the IPs of my PCs (192.168.1.0 is the
network adress or broadcast adress, i think(?).
Add these 2 lines in /etc/init.d/network on your workstation.
If these lines produce error messages, your kernel may lack something
(e.g.: ip forwarding).
AFAIK the kernel image provided by debian lacks this.

An your laptop add route add gw .. (I dont know this exactly,
because my laptop runs win95)


cu

florian attenberger


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Comments on Debian 'frozen' release, wvdial

1998-04-20 Thread Andy Rabagliati

Folks,

  I downloaded the boot disks and base2_0.tgz to install the new glibc
  debian release on my Compaq laptop.
  
  I am an experienced linux installer.
  
  All went very smoothly.
  
  Except .. that after the base install I wished to continue as an ftp
  install. This required the usual guru-level PPP setup, not acceptable,
  in my opinion, for a fresh install.
  
  The man pages (no man command in base packages, it should be aliased
  to zcat or some little shell script) conflict in the placement of the
  chat scripts.
  
  I suggest that the base installation include a PPP setup utility,
  that the installer be asked if they wish to use FTP as the next
  install method, and, if so, that PPP be set up.
  
  After starting up PPP, I downloaded other packages, no problem.
  
  I fetched wvdial, thinking that it might be the solution to my
  problem above. It was indeed, simple to set up.
  
  However, it had problems. It took no account of the auth line
  in /etc/ppp/options, and thus failed to log in. It also did not
  set up a nameserver, meaning that I had to add one to /etc/resolv.conf.
  
  Again, guru-level PPP setup necessary.
  
  I therefore suggest that the wvdial setup check for the auth
  line in /etc/ppp/options, and use noauth with ppp if it is
  present, and, if /etc/resolv.conf is not present, add a default
  one, perhaps from the list of debian nameservers,

 BUOY.COM 205.230.163.100
 WWW2.BUOY.COM205.230.163.102
 NS2.CISTRON.NL   195.64.68.28
 MIRIAM.FULLER.EDU206.1.27.4
 LALUG.ORG198.186.216.134
 NS1.WAW.COM  194.51.88.250

  I further suggest that wvdial (or another easy PPP setup utility)
  be added to the base installation, and that it be invoked before
  dselect.

Cheers,  Andy!


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ISDN modem problems

1998-04-20 Thread Christian Lynbech on satellite
I have just got myself an ISDN line and a Zyxel Omni.net plus modem,
but I have problems in getting it to work smoothly.

The problem is that I keep getting error messages saying something to
the effect of:

ppp: frame with bad fcs, excess = 4de9

The more trafic (for instance with ping) I generate, the less packages
comes through. The limit seems to be around packet sizes of 2048/4096.

If I stress my machine (which is a pentium 75 with 48Mb of RAM, a
couple of years old), more packages are dropped.

If my machine is only lightly loaded, pppd will only come up if I use
the option:

kdebug 7

Otherwise it fails rather eraly in the initial negotiations when a
ConfReq never sees the corresponding ConfAck.

However, if I run a heavy job (such as a kernel compilation), the
kdebug is not necessary to get pppd up. It will drop a few packages
with ping -s 4096, but now silently. With ping -s 8192, almost nothing
gets through.

If I run X11, the connection can not get up (with kdebug 7).

Does anybody have an idea where and how I should investigate? Should I
suspect my serial port? Is my machine simply too slow to handle a
64kps connection? Is there any kernel option I can set?


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Re: why?

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote:

 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Why would any list accept an email message with the above in the To:
 header?
 
 Also, someone in the US State of Maryland might want to consider donating
 a mail server for Debian. That email would have been grounds for criminal
 charges had the server been located in Maryland.

What? Do they forbid sending e-mail with bogus To: headers? I am once
again baffled by the stupidity of USA laws regarding electronic
communications.

Remco


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HELP: Telneting Inbound via a PPP Connection

1998-04-20 Thread Rob Goodwin
Hi there,

I'm having a serious problem here.   I have been able to set up my machine
to accept PPP connection.  I can dial from a win95 machine and use PAP to
authenticate and connect.  The IP address is assigned to the win95 machine
alright and I can then ping my linux box but that's about it.  Any attempt
to telnet or ftp yields nothing.  no login prompt, etc.

What could be the problem?

The linux box IP is 192.168.1.1 and the IP being assigned to ttyS2 is
192.168.1.10.  I also have IP masquerading set up for the LAN. (although it
isn't connected at the moment when it was it was working fine)  I thought
the most obvious things would be  in the hosts.allow or the ipfwadm set up
in rc.local  so I posted them below.  If it could be something else please
let me know.

like I said, a ping to 192.168.1.1 over the modem works without a problem
as does using the linux box as an Internet gateway for the LAN.   I just
can't telnet or ftp in over a modem.

thanks,

rob


/etc/hosts.allow

ALL: 192.168.1.
portmap: 192.168.1.

/etc/rc.d/rc.local

 /sbin/ipfwadm -F -f
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -p deny
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 192.168.1.0/24
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ns -P tcp
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ns -P udp
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-dgm -P tcp
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-dgm -P udp
  /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a deny -S 0.0.0.0/0 -D 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ssn -P tcp
  /sbin/ipfwadm -I -f
  /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a deny -S 192.168.1.0/24 netbios-ns -D 192.168.1.1
domain -P udp


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Re: What libs to use ???

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Mario Filipe wrote:

 Hello
 
 This is not really a debian problem, but i think that the people here can help
 me.
 
 I need to create a program that shows how much of it's task has been done (in
 percentage maybe) and what is it doing currently. I could display this with
 printf's but that would create a scroll effect that i do not want. So my
 question is if there is any library (for C) that allowa's me to display the
 whole thing on the same place, without the scrolling efect. I thought that
 maybe readline or (n)curses would do! I would also apreciate if you could 
 point
 to the docs of the librarys that you reccomend.
 
 Thank you and sorry for the off-topic question, and please cc directly to me.
 Thanks!

I don't know how to do this, but 'ftformat' from the ftape-something
package uses something like this to tell the user which track it is
formatting. 'ldd ftformat' shows that it uses only libc.so.6 and
ld-linux.so.2 , so I guess standard C can do this for you. You could try
printing a backspace (^H) and no newline (LF).

Remco


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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout? revisited.

1998-04-20 Thread dobrin
Sorry about this,  but I was out and missed the beginning,  How do you
disable Autologout in tcsh (which I MUST use to be script compliant with the
rest of the facility).  I tried login.defs and a few other things. NADA.

Thanks

(now back to our regularly schedualed discourse on shells)



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ckermit and hp48

1998-04-20 Thread Jens Ritter

Hallo all,

I have some strange problems with ckermit and my HP48 pocket
calculator:

1. The connection works:

If I do cat /dev/ttyS0 (where the calculator is connected) and start
a kermit transmission from it, I get some strange characters on the
console:

unsolved [/home/jens] $ cat /dev/ttyS0
`+ S~* @-#Y3$

So the connection works.

2. If I call kermit and issue: 

set line /dev/ttyS0
set speed 9600
set parity none 
set file type binary 
receive

and start the transfer on the HP with SEND, kermit changes to the2
transfer progress page and waits for packets to be transmitted. The
HP does not get a connection and retries to connect. Each of the
retries is shown by kermit with:

---
 Packet Type: %
Packet Count: 1
   Packet Length: 14
 Error Count: 1
  Last Error: Retransmission
---
The Error count is incremented with every retry of the HP. 

What might cause this? Is there something I forgot to set?
Where to set the Checksum of the packets (which chk setting to use on
the HP48)?

3. if I stop the transfer on the calculator, kermit gets back to the
prompt. But if I issue receive and start SEND on the HP again, kermit
does not get to the transfer progress page and has to be stopped by
C-c. 

4. Then if I try to exit kermit it hangs (but can be interrupted by
C-c --- going back to the kermit prompt). 

3. and 4. are completly mysterious to me.

Some clues anyone?


Thanks in advance,

Jens 

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Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote:

 I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to 
 someones
 attention...
 the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation!
 I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package off 
 of
 sunsite
 and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X
 that I hada font server running!
 hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a bug (I read that somewhere)
 would  this also fall into that catergory?
 the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how
 to make the install usefull :(

Yes, this would count as a bug in the package. But my impression from
README.debian is that the maintainer doesn't really want to spend too much
work on it, so probably this package is practically, though not
officially, orphaned.

Remco


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Re: Comments on Debian 'frozen' release, wvdial

1998-04-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 01:39:17PM -0600, Andy Rabagliati wrote:
 
 Folks,
   
   Except .. that after the base install I wished to continue as an ftp
   install. This required the usual guru-level PPP setup, not acceptable,
   in my opinion, for a fresh install.

It is not any more. See below.

   I suggest that the base installation include a PPP setup utility,
   that the installer be asked if they wish to use FTP as the next
   install method, and, if so, that PPP be set up.

You can install pppconfig. It is not in the base disks, though. I will
suggest that to the boot floppy maintainer.
   
   I fetched wvdial, thinking that it might be the solution to my
   problem above. It was indeed, simple to set up.

wvdial is strange. pppconfig is the official new ppp helper, I think.
It works great.
   
   I therefore suggest that the wvdial setup check for the auth
   line in /etc/ppp/options, and use noauth with ppp if it is
   present, and, if /etc/resolv.conf is not present, add a default
   one, perhaps from the list of debian nameservers,
 
  BUOY.COM 205.230.163.100
  WWW2.BUOY.COM205.230.163.102
  NS2.CISTRON.NL   195.64.68.28
  MIRIAM.FULLER.EDU206.1.27.4
  LALUG.ORG198.186.216.134
  NS1.WAW.COM  194.51.88.250
 
   I further suggest that wvdial (or another easy PPP setup utility)
   be added to the base installation, and that it be invoked before
   dselect.

I will suggest pppconfig in the base disks. Would you please file a bug
report against wvdial about the other problems? I'm not sure about the
nameserver stuff, but I will suggest it, too. Not however, that only the
first three entries are ever used (check the man page). And everybody is
encouraged to use the nameserver of his local provider.

Marcus

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Re: Windoze 95 is not multi-tasking, it just pretends it is multitasking.

1998-04-20 Thread DAVID B. TEAGUE

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 04:43:41PM +0200, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:

  I happen to have some very valuable information on how to play the
  classical guitar.  Would you like me to post that to debian-user?

 YES! Seriously, I play guitar and double bass. Another point is that the
 debian-user list is a list for debian user, and therefore the topics vary
 from technical discussion to rants about windows. I learned a lot on the
 list that is not necessarily bound to Debian.
 
 But I should stop, as you don't want to hear this...
 
HEAR HEAR!  This is not inappropriate discussion for the Deb User list.

I too play double bass myself (or bass violin as Professor Murray
Grodner called it, and the folk who succeeded Professor Grodner and his
wife at Lemur Music call it as well.) 

Marcus, I share your classic guitar interest, as well, though I
certainly wouldn't say I _play_ classical guitar. I have attempted to
play it, and would not find a word or two about either topic
inappropriate. 

If you want to talk double bass, instruments, music, etc, I'll be
delighted to talk to you about it. Is this is maybe more border line
than Windows 95 crud software? 


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Re: smail Hostnames--Simplified

1998-04-20 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Art Lemasters wrote:

   Allow me to give an example to be more specific (sorry).
 
   If my machine has the fullname
 
 newname.bf.org
 
 can I still download mail from the account [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 using smail?  How?  Thanks.

You mean you have a POP-3 account form your ISP and you want that mail to
end up in your mailbox on your own Linux computer? Sure, you can do this,
but not with smail alone, since smail doesn't know the POP-3 protocol. 
Install fetchmail. This will get the mail from your ISP (the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] address) and tell smail to send it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's an example .fetchmailrc :

poll mail.ipa.net proto pop3 user alemas pass XX is alemas

mail.ipa.net : your ISP's mailhost
pop3 : the protocol name
alemas : your user name at your ISP
XXX : fill in your actual password for your ISP
alemas : your local username

.fetchmailrc must be readable for you only : 'chmod 600 .fetchmailrc'.

Then, just issue the 'fetchmail' command with no options and it will get
your mail. For more information, please read the manual pages that come
with the package.

Remco


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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-20 Thread Keith Beattie
Adam Shand wrote:
 
  While there are still a few things I prefer about tcsh, I figure bash
 
 can you expound?  i'm curious.
 

Oh, minor stuff really.  The completion stuff mentioned earlier in
this thread, prompt settings (~ when in your home dir, a shorter HH:MM
time format), other little things I can't remember right now.  I'm
sure I could get bash to do most of it, if I sat down and figured it
out...

   LocalWords:  Kron
 
 eh?  what is this?

Sorry, just a typo - I mistyped Korn and somehow between ispell, a
slow network and elm, we all got a little confused. :)

Regards,
Keith


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