URGENTE!!!, cuenta de correo bloqueada.

1998-05-22 Thread Javier Vinuales Gtez. eduardo
Alguien me ha mandado un macro e-mail y no puedo acceder a mi cuenta de correo.
Por otra parte no quiero borrar el mensaje en cuestion sin antes saber de que 
leches va.

¿Sabe alguien acceder al servidor POP mediante telnet?. Solo recuerdo que se 
hace mediante telnet mail.servidor.com 110 y que se tiene que especificar el 
nombre de usuario y la clave mediante USER NOMBRE y PASS CLAVE 
respectivamente. 
¿Cuales son los comandos para listar los mensajes, borrar uno, etc?.

Enviadme la respuesta a [EMAIL PROTECTED] pues mi cuenta con la que estoy 
subscrito a la lista es la bloqueada y este mensaje lo escribo de forma remota 
desde el Linux de mi casa a la Sun del departamento (un poco lioso pero es que 
son las dos de la mañana y estoy desesperado).

Mil gracias,
Javi


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Re: endian

1998-05-22 Thread Santiago Vila
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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote:

 quería saber si alguno sabe el modo de
 averiguar en que máquina está compilando un programa para determinar si
 es big o little endian de forma portable.

Hola. Supongo que autoconf debería tener algún método para esto (pero no
lo sé a ciencia cierta).

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Re: URGENTE!!!, cuenta de correo bloqueada.

1998-05-22 Thread Agustin Martin Domingo
Javier Vinuales Gtez. eduardo wrote:
 
 
 ¿Sabe alguien acceder al servidor POP mediante telnet?. Solo recuerdo que se 
 hace mediante telnet mail.servidor.com 110 y que se tiene que especificar 
 el nombre de usuario y la clave mediante USER NOMBRE y PASS CLAVE 
 respectivamente.
 ¿Cuales son los comandos para listar los mensajes, borrar uno, etc?.
 

Depende del tipo de sistema operativo que utilice tu servidor

SI ES UNIX:

telnet tu_servidor
username:
password:

donde username y password son igual que en linux, pero el con username y
la password que te haya dado tu servidor.

Una vez dentro

mail

te entrará en el programa de correo, mostrándote las cabeceras de los
distintos mensajes. 

Si das el número que aparece con la cabecera te mostrará el mensaje
correspondiente a ese número.

Para borrarlo, por ejemplo si el mensaje enorme es el número 2

d2

y sal con q para que te valide la supresión. No abras otros mensajes si
vas a salir con q, porque te los marcará como leídos y te los guardará
en tu cuenta del servidor, en vez de dejártelos disponibles para que los
leas desde casa y entonces te los marque como leídos. 

Si no estás seguro de cual es el mensaje que da problemas puedes hacer
las cosas en dos pasos:

Primero entras y miras los mensajes hasta que localices el problemático.
Una vez localizado apuntas cuál es y sales con x, que te dejará las
cosas como estaban antes de ver el correo.

Después entras de nuevo y borras el mensaje problemático y sales con q
para que lo valide.

SI NO ES UNIX:

Ahí lo siento, sólo te puedo ayudar si utiliza VM/CMS (el de los
mainframe IBM), cosa que dudo que haga tu servidor. Pero en cualquier
caso, si no es unix vuelve a pedir ayuda a la lista especificando el
S.O. del servidor (Al hacer telnet debiera decírtelo)


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Problema de configuración XF86 Asus V264GT/Plus y Nec Multisync 3FG

1998-05-22 Thread Narcis
Tal y como reza el titulo, no encuentro la configuración correcta para
este equipo (antes pensaba que era porque no mereconocia los buses PCI
pero quedo claro y probado que no tiene na que ver ;) ) , lo unico que
he conseguido es que al arrancar las Xwindown con startx me salgan en
pantalla 3 pantallas y media una al lado de otra (en la horizontal)

¿ Alguna pista sobre que parametro debo revisar ?
¿ Alguien tiene la configuración correcta para el monitor o la
tarjeta ?

Gracias de antemano.
Narcís.




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Recopilación de los mensajes de la lista ...

1998-05-22 Thread Narcis
Buenas a todos,

Con la intención de no repetir las preguntas que ya hallan sido
formuladas antes  me gustaria saber si alguien a pensado en recopilar
los mensajes de esta (u otra) lista y publicarlos en algun WEB (para
dowload of course =;) ... o ver si me podeis recomendar algun canal de
news ...

Gracias,
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Re: Recopilación de los mensajes de la lista ...

1998-05-22 Thread Santiago Vila
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Narcis:
 Con la intención de no repetir las preguntas que ya hallan sido
 formuladas antes  me gustaria saber si alguien a pensado en recopilar
 los mensajes de esta (u otra) lista y publicarlos en algun WEB

Hola. Están disponibles en   http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives
desde el mes de abril.

También puede interesarte la FAQ sobre Debian en español:

http://master.debian.org/~sanvila

[ Está en fase beta, a la espera de que la gente la lea y encuentre
  los gazapos (seguro que todavía quedan) ].

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[Fwd: Como eliminar un mail del servidor sin bajarlo?]

1998-05-22 Thread Ignacio J. Alonso
Reenvio una respuesta de Victor M. Sanz a una pregunta similar del
17/03/98

Victor M. Sanz escribió:
 
  servidor es el BancoSantander. He intentado a entrar por telnet y no he
  conseguido nada. He hecho 'telnet mail.santandersupernet.com' que es el
  nombre del servidor de correo y nada.
  ¿Alguien me puede decir como puedo hacer lo que pretendo? Repito : mi
  proposito es eliminar un mensaje de mi cuenta en el santandersupernet
  sin bajarmelo.
 
 para empezar haz:
 
 telnet mail.satandersupernet.com 110
  (110 es el puerto del servidor pop)
 
 luego tener en cuenta que hay sólo unos poco comados, asi de memoria:
 
 user tulogin (obligatorio al inicio para indicar tu login)
 pass tupasssord  (también obligatorio)
 
 list  (te sale una lista con la longitud de cada mensaje, útil para
   identificar el que es demasiado tocho, apunta el número)
 stat  (número total de mensajes y de bytes entre todos)
 retr n(recibir el mensaje número n por la consola, no muy útil,
excepto para mensajes muy pequeños)
 dele n(borrar el mensaje número n, esto es lo que buscas)
 quit  (adivina :-)
 
 Yo tuve que hacer una vez algo similar para borrar el mensaje de un
 graciosillo que me envió un AVI de varios megas. Sin problemas.
 
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Re: Problema de configuración XF86 Asus V264GT/Plus y Nec Multisync 3FG

1998-05-22 Thread Ignacio J. Alonso
Narcis decia:
 (.) , lo unico que
 he conseguido es que al arrancar las Xwindown con startx me salgan en
 pantalla 3 pantallas y media una al lado de otra (en la horizontal)
 
A mi me pasaba lo mismo cuando intentaba configurar las X con XF86Setup, así
que opté por configurarlas con xf86config y se acabaron mis problemas (ni mi
tarjeta ni el monitor tienen nada que ver con el tuyo) :-)
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BO + JDK1.1

1998-05-22 Thread Antonio Vieiro Varela


  Hola a todos,

  Preguntas, preguntas, preguntas,...

  1. ¿Algún ficherillo .deb para el JDK 1.1 que funcione en BO?
 (Sólo lo encontré para HAMM)
 
  2. ¿hamm instala las libc6 y las libc5? ¿sólo las libc6?

  3. ¿Instalo ya hamm (es usable)? ¿Espero un poquillo más?

  Lo cierto es que quiero instalar el JDK 1.1 en mi máquina BO, tengo
  una partición donde podría caber la hamm y, quizá, me decida a mantener
  la bo (que me gusta mucho) y la nueva hamm para el JDK 1.1.

  Gracias, gracias, gracias, ... ;^)

  Antonio


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Re: BO + JDK1.1

1998-05-22 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 09:22:45PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro Varela wrote:
 
 
   Hola a todos,
 
   Preguntas, preguntas, preguntas,...
 
   1. ¿Algún ficherillo .deb para el JDK 1.1 que funcione en BO?
  (Sólo lo encontré para HAMM)

   2. ¿hamm instala las libc6 y las libc5? ¿sólo las libc6?

Puedes instalar ambas. Incluso puedes compilar para libc5 si prefieres.

   3. ¿Instalo ya hamm (es usable)? ¿Espero un poquillo más?

Hombre, yo llevo usándola varios meses... Creo que es bastante usable.
 
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Re: still can't start ppp, even as root

1998-05-22 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Hamish Moffatt wrote:

 On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 02:28:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I modified the ppp.chatscript and ppp.options_out files along with
  chap-secrets to reflect my ISP.  Since I want to use my COM2 port to
  connect to the modem I created a symbolic link from /dev/modem-/dev/ttys1.
  Now when logged in as root I issue pon I still get the message this kernel
  does not have PPP support.  In compiling the kernel I built the PPP support
  in, IE: it is NOT a module.  The kernel source came from 2.0.33-7.deb
  (which added some tcp/ip fixes for teardrop attack and also the FAT32
  patches, I got this from the hamm area on the FTP server, but built it
  under 1.3.1 r6)  It was mentioned that pppd has to be setuid root.  How to
  do this?  Setuid is a system call not a command?

 /dev/ttys1 is NOT a serial port, it is a virtual terminal. When you ask

/dev/ttys1 is NOT a virtual terminal, it is a pseudo terminal (just so nobody
gets confused)

 ppp to run on a virtual terminal, it tells you the kernel does not have
 PPP support, which isn't helpful at all but that's the way it is.

 You want /dev/ttyS1, which IS a serial port.

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CONCLUSIONS: Re: burning hamm on CD.

1998-05-22 Thread Liran Zvibel
Hi,

I downloaded the rest of the distribution today (non-us and contrib). 
I compared all the files in the binary-all and the binary-i386 trees
(since I have NT at work, it was downloaded into two different trees) and
my conclusion is that most of the files are identical (I deleted those on
the binary-all tree) some are newer on the -all tree and some are newer on
the -i386 tree (I kept both versions).

I will burn it on two CDs, one will have the main tree ,the disks-i386 and
the lates kernel. The other will have non-free, contrib, non-us and some
other useful programs (such as pine and netscape. BTW: There are some more
space, do you have any suggestions?). I didn't download the source code
since in this days I hardly have time to type my one code, I can't afford
to read and play with oneone elses' code... (I plan to become a debian
developer (or maintainer) after the spring (this) semester, when I'll have
more time)

Liran Zvibel.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:43:02 +0300 (GMT+0300)
From: Liran Zvibel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Peter Paluch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: burning hamm on CD.

It is NT here. I am going to delete the identical files, my question is,
whether to delete from binary-all or from binary-i386.

TIA,
Liran.

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On Thu, 21 May 1998, Peter Paluch wrote:

 Hello,
 ==
 
  Hi,
  I downloaded the Hamm/main at work, the problem is that the size of the
  tree is about 760 MB. I want to burn it to CD, but it won't fit.
  
  I noticed that a lot of packages are identical in the binary-0i386 and
  binary-all, can I remove the identical ones from the binary-all?
 
 What software did you use to download the Debian distribution tree? As far
 as I know there are no identical packages in the binary-i386 and in the
 binary-all, but there are just symbolical links from binary-i386 to
 binary-all. It is possible that your ftp software doesn't know symbolical
 links and instead of making them  it downloaded the files twice - once in
 the binary-i386 and once in the binary-all.
 
 This is going to be problem in non-Linux systems as they cannot make any
 symbolical links.
 
 It is also possible that you simply counted sizes of those files twice, and
 that you _have_ those symbolic links. But I wonder.
 
 I will be very happy if somebody from this list answers to this problem.
 
 All the very best,
 Peter
 
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Problems configure'ing programs....

1998-05-22 Thread Christopher Fury
I've tried to configure several programs that require libraries like
libjpeg, libtiff, and libpng  But none of the programs seem to
recognize the fact that
I *have* these libraries (installed with dselect) in /usr/lib.

I've ran ldconfig, it says they're there.  I've tried setting my
LD_LIBRARY_PATH,
nothing seems to work.  I'm really confused.  Anybody out there know
what could
be wrong.

I can supply a config.log and output of ldconfig -v, if anybody wants to
take
a look (pick your poision: gimp config.log or imlib config.log :).

I'm running bo.

I'm really exasperated - I think I have adequate versions of these
libraries...

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Kernel panic error on startup

1998-05-22 Thread Paul Mackinney
Booting for the first time from recovery disk, I get the following error just 
after it resets the SCSI bus:

aic7xxx: (aic7xxx_isr) Encountered spurious interrupt.
scsi0: BRKADRINT error(0x1):
  Illegal Host Access
Kernel panic: scsi0: BRKADRINT, error 0x1, segaddr 0x0.

The system is an HP NetServer 486 with some kind of integrated SCSI bus. Its 
only hard drive is at scsi0. I've tried this with and without partitions 
defined on the drive (using DOS 6.2 fdisk).

Any advice/help would be useful.

Thanks,

Paul Mackinney




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SCSI Emulation for IDE ???

1998-05-22 Thread Kevin Traas
Someone once mentioned to me that there was a package available that would
configure an IDE device (i.e. CDROM) to appear as a SCSI device to the
kernel - or at least any running applications

If you know what this is, or where I can find more info on it, I would much
appreciate it.

Regards,
Kevin Traas


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Re: Problems configure'ing programs....

1998-05-22 Thread Shaleh
If you do not also have the -dev packages they will not be useful to
compile anything.

Christopher Fury wrote:
 
 I've tried to configure several programs that require libraries like
 libjpeg, libtiff, and libpng  But none of the programs seem to
 recognize the fact that
 I *have* these libraries (installed with dselect) in /usr/lib.
 
 I've ran ldconfig, it says they're there.  I've tried setting my
 LD_LIBRARY_PATH,
 nothing seems to work.  I'm really confused.  Anybody out there know
 what could
 be wrong.
 
 I can supply a config.log and output of ldconfig -v, if anybody wants to
 take
 a look (pick your poision: gimp config.log or imlib config.log :).
 
 I'm running bo.
 
 I'm really exasperated - I think I have adequate versions of these
 libraries...
 
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Re: ppp, PII/P90, ioctl(SIOCADDRT) device route: Network is down(100)

1998-05-22 Thread Lindsay Allen

Hello Joost,

You will most likely get more expert advice than I can offer, but this
might help. 


muso

The two ends agree that muso is to be 195.64.69.173.  The remote wants to
be 195.64.64.1 but muso declines.  No IP number is negotiated and the
connection fails.

stelo

negotiates
Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: local  IP address 195.64.69.201
Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: remote IP address 195.64.68.16


So to muso's options you could add local IP:remote IP if you are
quite sure what they are.  Or just add ipcp-accept-remote and let the
remote be whatever it wants.

ipcp-accept-local
  With  this option, pppd will accept the peer's idea
  of our local IP  address,  even  if  the  local  IP
  address was specified in an option.

ipcp-accept-remote
  With  this option, pppd will accept the peer's idea
  of its (remote) IP address, even if the  remote  IP
  address was specified in an option.


HTH
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X11 HELP!

1998-05-22 Thread Doug Thistlethwaite
Hello  help!

I hope someone can help me with this problem that is getting worse and
worse...

I tired to install fvwm95 and all I got was a plain login screen that
would log into a plain window with a single xterm.  I tried to remvoe
the window manager and install another using dserver... Now I CAN NOT
LOGIN to the computer at all from the console.  When I log in I get a
colorful flash and another plain login screen.  The only way I can
connect to the computer is via a telnet.

How do I disable the X11 so I can get my console back?  Also any tips on
getting a WM working would be greatly appriciated!  I should have a
pretty much generic installation, so I'm somewhat confused to why I am
having all of this trouble.

Thanks,

Doug


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ipforward'ing on in kernel?

1998-05-22 Thread Gregory Guthrie
We want to setup a local simple router-pair, to create a LAN-remote subnet
segment.

1) To support this, we need routing enabled in the kernel. Does the default
kernel on the 1.3.1 CDROM have this enabled?  

rrouter# uname -a
Linux rrouter 2.0.30 #1 Sun Jun1 09:14:11 EST 1997 i586
rrouter#

I thought we could tell by cat /proc/ksyms | grep forward :
00140988 ip_forward_R35268aee
0022ae04 sysctl_ip_forward_Ra7d20d83

Is this correct? seems to say yes; or do we have to rebuild a new kernel.

2) How do we tell what options are compiled into the Kernel?

3) I read:
 The Slackware Linux kernel as shipped does NOT have IP FORWARDING enabled. 
  So you can hook it up to the net, and use Linux directly on the net, but
  Linux won't pass packets through to your local Ethernet or what have you. 
  There is no way to tell from the boot messages that this feature is on or
  off.  The only way is to look at the config file for building the kernel
  in /usr/src/linux/.config and see what CONFIG_IP_FORWARD is set to.

  grep FORWARD /usr/src/linux/.config is the ideal command for this. 

 CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y means it is turned ON
 # CONFIG_IP_FORWARD is not set  means it is turned OFF 

  The only way to enable this feature is to rebuild the kernel.

What about Debian? 
On the CDROM (1.3.1), the .config file says:
 --
 #
 # Networking options
 #
 # CONFIG_FIREWALL is not set
 # CONFIG_NET_ALIAS is not set
 CONFIG_INET=y
 # CONFIG_IP_FORWARD is not set
 # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set
 CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y
 CONFIG_RST_COOKIES=y
 # CONFIG_IP_ACCT is not set
 # CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set
 # CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set
 # CONFIG_ARPD is not set


Does this correspond to the binary kernel distributed, or is it just a
standard default spec for building new kernels?

4) We also need PPP procxyarp, is it on by default (curious about the ARPD
not set).


Thanks,

Greg




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Fix my broken bo or go to hamm.

1998-05-22 Thread R. Chris Ross
Last night, when I booted my system it came up and asked to go
into single user mode.  After running e2fsck there were several hundred
files and quite a few directories in lost+found.  My dilemma is whether to
fix the system of upgrade to hamm.  I have been forced to uninstall
sendmail then reinstall it along with several other packages to get a
usable system.

One of the most frustrating things is that delete doesn't work in
rxvt.



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Re: ipforward'ing on in kernel?

1998-05-22 Thread Rick Macdonald
Gregory Guthrie wrote:

 2) How do we tell what options are compiled into the Kernel?

What if you just try giving ipfwadm commands to see if they're accepted
or not?

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newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Gregory Guthrie
Given the volume of traffic on this list, I would certainly find a
newsgroup more convenient. 

1) it maintains threads, and thus has MUCH better organization and access.

2) the linear, header and footer interspersed format of the digested list
is very noisy, and hard to read. IMHO.

Note that newsgroups can automatically accept Email inputs, and can also be
list replicated.

COmments?

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   Computer Science Department
   College of Science and Technology
   Maharishi University of Management
  (Maharishi International University 1971-1995)



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Re: Help on installing Deb 1.3.1 on Toshiba laptop

1998-05-22 Thread stephen . p . ryan
On 21 May, Philip Restuccia wrote:
 Hello.
 
 I sent a request for help on this topic a few days ago, but have
 received no responses
 as of yet.  In case I wasn't clear enough on my needs the first time,
 I'm trying again.
 If you saw the first request and just don't know of anything that would
 help me, then I
 apologize for the duplication! :-)

I'm sorry.  I didn't see your question the first time.  I do try to
read most laptop-related questions.

 I purchased the Debian 1.3.1 binary/source CD set from LSL several
 months ago, and am
 finally getting to the actual installation (been *very* busy).  What I
 would *really*
 like to be able to do is install Linux on a 1.5GB cartride in my Syquest
 SyJet removable
 drive, which I have attached to my Toshiba Satellite 105cs laptop via an
 Adaptec APA-1460A
 PCMCIA SCSI adapter, to which is also attached a Teac SCSI 16x CD-ROM
 drive.  My laptop
 has a 504MB hard disk that has only the single partition it came with on
 it, and that has
 only about 170MB left on it; the Win95 stuff on it cannot be removed. 
 The laptop also has
 24MB of RAM.
 
The hardware sounds like it should be good; AFAIK everything is
supported by Linux.

 Is there any way possible that I can accomplish the installation on the
 SyJet?  I have no
 real-mode card and socket services available on the machine, so my SCSI
 adapter (and thus
 the SyJet and CD-ROM drive) are invisible to DOS (at least to pure DOS;
 I can access them
 in a DOS-box under Win95 but this is obviously no good).  Do any of the
 Linux installation
 utilies by any chance have built-in access to the PCMCIA cards?  Is
 there any alternative?

OUCH!  My guess is you may not have gotten any answers because this one
is a hard one.  Problem number one:  booting.  In order to boot, you
will have to be able to see some of Linux at boot time. Not having any
experience with a PCMCIA SCSI card (I'm supposed to be getting a New
Media Bus Toaster in a couple of days), I don't know if you'll be able
to boot off that drive or not.  The BIOS has to be able to see the
drive in order to be able to boot off it.  Since the PCMCIA card hasn't
been initialized yet, it can't be recognized by the BIOS as a valid
 bootable device.  I suspect you'll need something to boot from the
internal hard drive and then bootstrap up to the external drive after
the PCMCIA drivers are loaded. Perhaps a boot floppy with a kernel and
the PCMCIA modules on it might do the trick, but I'm in *way* over my
head here.  I have no idea how to go about such a thing.  Even if you
boot from the internal hard drive, I think the kernel wants to mount
the swap partition and any other partitions you have *before* the
PCMCIA drivers are loaded :-(

Another major problem is that installation will be tricky.  In short,
the PCMCIA drivers have to be running *before* the installation program
copies anything to the disk; I've installed Debian on 4 laptops in the
past 6 months and I've always had to add the PCMCIA support in myself. 
This could be fixed by adding PCMCIA support and the appropriate SCSI
driver to the rescue disk, which I think amounts to solving the same
problem as the general booting problem with a floppy disk.  Again, I'm
in over my head here.  

Finally, on shutdown, the shutdown stuff wants to unload the PCMCIA
drivers before unmounting the drives; this means that every time you
boot up, you will at a minimum have to go through a fsck of the whole
Syquest drive.

The major difficulty is that the PCMCIA drivers have to be loaded
before you can get anything off the Syquest drive, and the PCMCIA
drivers are only available as kernel modules, and so aren't loaded
until too late in the boot process (and correspondingly get unloaded
too soon).  If you could spare 10-15 megabytes for a bare install on the
internal hard drive and could figure out how to a) load the PCMCIA
drivers early or b) delay mounting the swap, /home, /usr and /var
partitions until later in the boot process, you could probably get away
with it.  (On my system, I have just a little over 10 megabytes in
/boot, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /dev and /etc combined.  I have 22 megabytes
in /root, which I probably shouldn't have there, and some miscellaneous
stuff in /tmp (maybe this should get a partition on the Syquest drive,
too?); then there is 1 gigabyte in the /usr partition and 1.5 gigabytes
in /home.  /var needs some space because that is where new packages get
downloaded to before they get installed.  Correspondingly, I have a
small partition mounted as the root partition, and two very large
partitions mounted under /home and /usr, and a medium sized partition
mounted under /var.

I'm sorry that this comes out so negative sounding; what you've asked
is (I think) fairly difficult, and is going to involve changing the
boot sequence for anything to work.

 Also, on an unrelated topic, I've been monitoring this list for a few
 days now (watching for
 a response to my initial request, and also attempting to 

Re: X11 HELP!

1998-05-22 Thread stephen . p . ryan
On 21 May, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote:
 Hello  help!
 
 I hope someone can help me with this problem that is getting worse and
 worse...
 
 I tired to install fvwm95 and all I got was a plain login screen that
 would log into a plain window with a single xterm.  I tried to remvoe
 the window manager and install another using dserver... Now I CAN NOT
 LOGIN to the computer at all from the console.  When I log in I get a
 colorful flash and another plain login screen.  The only way I can
 connect to the computer is via a telnet.
 
 How do I disable the X11 so I can get my console back?  Also any tips on
 getting a WM working would be greatly appriciated!  I should have a
 pretty much generic installation, so I'm somewhat confused to why I am
 having all of this trouble.

Are you running XDM (the graphical login screen)?  If so, you can press
Control-R to kill it and go back to a text console login screen;
alternatively, you can login and press F1 after the password instead of
Enter to go into safe mode, which doesn't start a window manager,
just an xterm so you can fix things; or, you can press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to
switch to a text console and login from there (this last one leaves XDM
running; you can switch back to it with (usually, if you haven't
modified the number of virtual consoles available) Alt-F7).  I don't
know how to restart XDM after the Control-R bit except (as root) to run
/etc/init.d/xdm stop and then /etc/init.d/xdm start - the person
I got the tip from didn't say if there was some way to get the XDM
screen back or not.

If you haven't changed it, the default is to start the first window
manager listed in /etc/X11/window-managers.  You could try to edit that
file to see if it has been corrupted or if the first window manager
listed actually exists.  You may also want to check to see if there is
a .xsession in your home directory, and if so, what is in it.  The
window manager should be the last line in it if it does exist.

Incidentally, the safe mode login is a good way to test new window
managers, because you can start a new window manager from the prompt
and kill it if it doesn't work out.  i.e. you could login in safe mode,
type fvwm95  to start the fvwm95 window manager, and either quit it
or kill it if you start having problems.

HTH,
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RE: get mail from unixserver to client(win95)

1998-05-22 Thread ogata


A. Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 There is a lockfile set up on the server and it is possible the old one
 wasn't deleted. If there is a ~/.fetchmail.pid file on the server, delete
 it and your problems should go away. If one doesn't exist you will have
to
 talk to the sysadmin to find out how the lockfile is named. Note that
lockfiles
 are supposed to be deleted after a timeout to avoid this problem.
 
Mr. Jay Treacy
first of all, thank you very much.
I so sorry to bother you with is mail again.
I can't find the dir. of  lockfile in my server(Linux-slackware3.4.0.
pop3-v1.005h).
Could you tell more hint about it ?
ogata


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Re: X11 HELP!

1998-05-22 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, 21 May 1998, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote:

 Hello  help!
 
 I hope someone can help me with this problem that is getting worse and
 worse...
 
 I tired to install fvwm95 and all I got was a plain login screen that
 would log into a plain window with a single xterm.  I tried to remvoe
 the window manager and install another using dserver... Now I CAN NOT
 LOGIN to the computer at all from the console.  When I log in I get a
 colorful flash and another plain login screen.  The only way I can
 connect to the computer is via a telnet.

I think that you are using xdm (from what I do understand), and in that
case, using CTRL-ALT-Fx will get your console back... (where Fx is one
of the function keys F1-F6, I think that is the default inittab entry?)

 
 How do I disable the X11 so I can get my console back?  Also any tips on
 getting a WM working would be greatly appriciated!  I should have a
 pretty much generic installation, so I'm somewhat confused to why I am
 having all of this trouble.

Check the /etc/X11/window-managers file... It must have the paths to the
window managers. Mine has:

--
# This file contains a list of available window managers. The default
# Xsession file will start the first window manager that it can
# in this list.
#/usr/X11R6/bin/twm
#-- afterstep begin
/usr/X11R6/bin/afterstep
#-- afterstep end
/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm95-2
/usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2
--

Check that the Xsession file in the same directory has some stuff like
this at the end:

--
if [ -x $startup ]  grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config
then
  exec $startup
else
  if [ -e /etc/X11/window-managers ]
  then
for i in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/X11/window-managers`
do
  if [ -x $i ]
  then
exec $i
  fi
done
  fi
  if [ -x /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm ]
  then
exec fvwm
  fi
  exec twm
fi

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Hope that helps...  If not, try purging xbase and reinstalling it.


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Re: Release Date Debian 2

1998-05-22 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Thu, 21 May 1998, Mark Messer wrote:

 Is Debian 2 defently going to be release this month.. and when.

Maybe, as the developers say, it will be released when it is ready.  It's
my job to report to upper management when I think it's ready.  Right now,
there are lots of release critical bugs that need to be closed.  The
upgrade method needs some more testing (i.e. I just got bash to core dump
by doing the upgrade the wrong way yesterday, I'm trying another upgrade
now, this time from rexx (1.2), the right way).  After that is done, I'll
double check with the other testers and ask Brian to declare hamm as beta.
If these upgrade methods look promising, the base disk don't appear to
have problems with anyone's hardware (that's the next install I'll have to 
do), and the bugs drop like a can of raid hit them, the end of the month
is theoretically possible, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.

   Want to help speed it up?  Drop me a line, give me an idea of what you
can do.  I'll send you the current status of the project and a list areas
that can be worked on, along with adding you to the testing mailing list.

Brandon

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SCSI Emulation for IDE???

1998-05-22 Thread XRDLAB

I too had faced this problem when I wanted to burn a cd on my ide cd-rw
(hp7100i). One of the suggestions was to use a kernel later than 2.1.74.
Since I could not compile the kernel 2.1.94 on my bo system, I compiled
the 2.0.32 kernel with scsi emulation enabled. If you are planning to burn
the cd's, you have to get cdrecord and apply the patch given therein.

Hope this helps,

Bye,

sridhar 



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Re: [saioa@jet.es: hamm,bo...?]

1998-05-22 Thread Oliver Elphick
Liran Zvibel wrote:
...
  non-free -- (I'm not sure whether I'm correct) Are packages that can not
  be freely distributed, but can be used by individuals.

Packages that do not meet the Debian Social Contract Guidelines; they may
or may not be free to use, or even distribute.  If a package is in non-free
you have to check its licensing terms to see what you can do with it.
  
  contrib -- Free packages that needs packages from non-free to operate.
  
  non-us -- Those are packages that the government of the U.S doesn't let
  distribute in the U.S. (mostly crypto stuff).

Packages that cannot be *exported* from USA. 
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  are perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not
  forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing
  about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that 
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Re: Kernel panic error on startup

1998-05-22 Thread Nathan E Norman
On 21 May 1998, Paul Mackinney wrote:

: Booting for the first time from recovery disk, I get the following
: error just after it resets the SCSI bus: 
: 
: aic7xxx: (aic7xxx_isr) Encountered spurious interrupt.
: scsi0: BRKADRINT error(0x1):
:   Illegal Host Access
: Kernel panic: scsi0: BRKADRINT, error 0x1, segaddr 0x0.
: 
: The system is an HP NetServer 486 with some kind of integrated SCSI
: bus. Its only hard drive is at scsi0. I've tried this with and without
: partitions defined on the drive (using DOS 6.2 fdisk). 

Hmm, this sounds like the (in)famous AHA-2740/2840 boot failure.  For
some reason, the AIC-7880 chipset, when on a VLB or EISA bus, doesn't
like being probed by other SCSI drivers.  The rescue disk has many SCSI
drivers linked in, so this is a common problem.

The solution is to use a rescue disk with only the drivers you need.
This means compiling a kernel, so you either need access to a Linux
system, or a friend with a system :)

I could compile a kernel for you but it wouldn't be before Tuesday (I'm
taking a vacation!)  I did compile a kernel for someone recently with
the same problem ... perhaps they could send it to you.  If you're in a
hurry I'm sure you can get someone to help.

Good luck,

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Re: seg faults /core dumps (hamm)

1998-05-22 Thread Daniel Mashao
On Thu, 21 May 1998, Christian Zander wrote:

 hi,
 I recently upgraded parts of my bo system to the latest hamm versions, 
 including
 libc6 (obviously).
 Since I did so some things have been running better than before - some ran for
 the first time (kde beta4) and unfortunately some things don't run anymore.
 
 I encounter the following problem when I try to run StarOffice 4.0, Adobe
 Acrobat reader, etc. : the application exits with a segmentation fault and 
 dumps
 core. 
 Now I am not a programmer who could make use of the core files and I
 personally think that there must be a fairly simple solution to the problem
 since all these applications ran fine before I upgraded.
 
 Has anybody had similar problems (and solved them) ?
 Chris
Yes I have similar problem and no I have not solved them. Actually I have
no problem with soffice but I cannot run fvwm2 and emacs so far.

I think the solution may be in trying to get all of the HAMM instead of
bits and pieces.

/---/
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University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel 
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AMD K6

1998-05-22 Thread Matt Thompson
I just bought the above and when attempting to compile a kernel, I get a
message along the lines of internal compiler exited with error 4 or some
such.  Sorry for not copying down the error exactly.  I just re-installed
my P166 and the compile finished fine.

Is anyone familiar with this?  Is this at all unusual with AMD's?

TIA for any tips :)
Matt


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Re: AMD K6

1998-05-22 Thread robert havoc pennington

The only problem with the K6 I've read about is with some made before
September of last year, they occasionally bomb in large compiles with over
32 MB of RAM in the machine. Do a web search and you should be able to
find out if your K6 is one of the broken ones by looking at the serial #.
AMD will take these back.

My K6 has been going good for a long time now, and lots of other people
use them too. There shouldn't be a problem unless some part of your
hardware is broken.

Havoc Pennington  http://pobox.com/~hp


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hamm: libstdc++-dev: regex class?

1998-05-22 Thread Benedikt Eric Heinen

Hi there,

  has anyone found a good regexp class to use with the libstdc++ package
(preferably one that works rather well with the basic_string class
provided in libstdc++). Since libg++-dev seemingly no longer is a viable
option, where will I find such a class then?


  Benedikt

Windows 95: n.
32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
 by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.


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Re: XF86_S3V Problems

1998-05-22 Thread Pierre Blanchet
TB == Tim Buller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  TB I have a hamm system with a STB Nitro 3D / 4MB video card, using the S3V
  TB server from XFree86 3.3.2.1-1.  The display is managed by xdm. 

  TB The problem is the about 75% of the time when I end a session (normal WM
  TB is afterstep, but the problem happens with others as well), the machine
  TB locks hard and vertical bars of color are displayed on the screen. The
  TB only way to get it back is to hard boot; it does not respond to pings from
  TB remote hosts, etc.

  TB This does not happen when I use Accelerated X 4.1. Any ideas would be
  TB appreciated...

  TB Tim

  TB 
  TB Tim Buller   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  TB Systems Specialist   Office: Snow Hall 643
  TB Department of Mathematics  Voice: 785-864-7311
  TB University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 66045 Fax: 785-864-5255


  You may want to try the XF86_SVGA server instead. It works better
for me.
You do not need to change your XF86Config, just install the server
and check /etc/X11/Xserver.

Pierre Blanchet.



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!!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Ionut Borcoman at musa
Hi,

It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.

Here is my lilo.conf:

boot=/dev/sda1
root=/dev/sda3
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20

image=/vmlinuz
label=linux
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

image=/vmlinuz.old
label=old
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

other = /dev/sda1
label=win95
table = /dev/sda

It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
Win95 will be default SO.

TIA,

Ionutz


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Re: Kernel reboots at startup

1998-05-22 Thread Ulisses Alonso
Hello!


 
 On my intel p100 when I try to boot the resq1440.bin I get a quick screen
 of pci error messages and then an instant reboot.
 
 The motherboard is Intel-Triton TX. Award bios v.4.51PG
 

This is a problem with some revisions of TX chipsets

The solution:


On the file /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.version/drivers/char/keyboard.c

Look at the lines with the following:

/*
 * On non-x86 hardware we do a full keyboard controller
 * initialization, in case the bootup software hasn't done
 * it. On a x86, the BIOS will already have initialized the
 * keyboard.
 */
#ifndef __i386__
#define INIT_KBD
static int initialize_kbd(void);
#endif

And comment the lines with #ifndef and #endif:

/* #ifndef __i386__ */
#define INIT_KBD
static int initialize_kbd(void);
/* #endif */

compile the kernel with the fetures listed in the rescue disk (viewable
from DOS/Win) and follow the instructions to update the loader of the
rescue disk

This will solve your problem

regards,

Ulisses
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Re: first script executed

1998-05-22 Thread nico
Thanks for all your answers.

I tried to look in the base files, but i didn't see anything ???
I've tried to run ps ... at the begin, but nothing appears ( it only
show adduser, dselect, but not the prog which call them ???)

I'm a bit confused and i'm still trying to fing some clue.


Another question: Do you know how to edit the *.bin files ? and how to
make them ?

Nico.


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manually install KDE beta 4 and parallel ZIP drive

1998-05-22 Thread Mario J. Barchein Molina
Hello, just a couple of questions

1) What are the directories I have to change in KDE packages makefiles (such as
ktop) to compile them in Debian? (I have installed the .deb KDE b4 distribution
succesfully)

2)Is there any way to speed up parallel port ZIP drive? In my system (PII 233
o/c 266) goes REALLY slow. It lasts a few minutes to copy only 1 MB!! I have
obtained up to 200 KB/s in DOS, but all you know that DOS sucks and Linux
rulez! ;-)

Ok, that was all... Thanx in advance
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From Bo to Hamm. Emacs and FVWM2 seg faults but no core

1998-05-22 Thread Daniel Mashao
Any help how to get my emacs and fvwm2 to work.
- 
/---/
Daniel J. Mashao
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Re: seg faults /core dumps (hamm)

1998-05-22 Thread jdassen
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 08:04:19AM +0200, Daniel Mashao wrote:
 Yes I have similar problem and no I have not solved them. Actually I have
 no problem with soffice but I cannot run fvwm2 and emacs so far.

Old versions of fvwm2 (pre 2.0.46-BETA-1 I think) had a hardwired search
path for the X libraries, causing the dynamic loader to load them against
the X libraries in /usr/X11R6/lib (which on a bo-ish system might very well
contain libc5 X librares).

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Where I can find KDE

1998-05-22 Thread Mauro Mazzieri
As you can understand reading the subject of this letter, my question is: where
I can find a KDE distribuition, better if in .deb format? I prefer CDs, but any
help is useful...


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Re: Where I can find KDE

1998-05-22 Thread Michael Acklin
At 01:24 PM 5/22/98 +0200, Mauro Mazzieri wrote:
As you can understand reading the subject of this letter, my question is:
where
I can find a KDE distribuition, better if in .deb format? I prefer CDs,
but any
help is useful...


I  just did a search of the packages at http://www.debian.org and found
about 21 different KDE Packages available in the unstable/hamm directories.
Don't know which one you want but I am sure if you update your dselect
Package file, it will give you all the files availabe for KDE.

Anyway, here is where you can find the base file, but I would check out
the web page if possible as this file depends on a lot of other files.


ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/hamm/contrib/binary-i386/x11/kdebase_980312-7.deb

Hope this helps...



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Can't use rsh + netgroup alias...

1998-05-22 Thread Kevin Squire

I tried to ask this once, but didn't get a response, so I'll try one more
time...

After upgrading one of our machines to hamm, I can no longer rsh to the
machine.  /etc/hosts.equiv consists of one line containing an nis netgroup
alias (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED], where local_hosts are hosts in our local
network).  If I write the names of hosts in our network in this file, I
can use rsh, but I would rather use the alias.  Currently,
/etc/nsswitch.conf contains the line:

netgroup:   files nis [NOTFOUND=return] db

For passwd and group, I can use the word compat, but this does not seem
to work for netgroup (and in the documentation, only passwd and group are
mentioned). 

Anyone have any ideas how I can use the alias, or where else I might ask?
(Well, if I don't get an answer here, I'll probably e-mail the author)

Kevin

P.S. Someone mentioned a few days ago that there was a new web site
specifically for Linux support.  Unfortunately, I deleted that message. 
Can someone e-mail me the name of that web site?  Also, is this mailing
list archived anywhere on the web? 

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A WinNT 4.0 registry editor for Un*x?

1998-05-22 Thread Ulisses Alonso
Hi all

Does such thing exist?


regards,

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slow telnet over ppp (28800 bps)

1998-05-22 Thread Ulisses Alonso
Hi all,

using http to a remote host works ok, but telneting to the same host
is horrible slow and not quite interactive friendly

Maybe this is an mtu/mru parameter issue?

I did not found anything on telnet rfcs (quick search)

Any addvice will be greatly appreciated...

Ulisses

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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Michael Beattie
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:

 Hi,
 
 It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
 boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
 didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
 this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
 method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
 
 Here is my lilo.conf:

I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  -- no 1

 
 boot=/dev/sda1
 root=/dev/sda3
 compact
 install=/boot/boot.b
 map=/boot/map
 vga=normal
 delay=20
 
 image=/vmlinuz
 label=linux
 read-only
 root=/dev/sda3
 
 image=/vmlinuz.old
 label=old
 read-only
 root=/dev/sda3
 
 other = /dev/sda1
 label=win95
 table = /dev/sda

the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says boot off of /dev/sda1, but you have
installed LILO there, that is why you get it again...

 It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
 I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
 Win95 will be default SO.

When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will
fix it...


I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have
done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I
realized.


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:50:09PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
 On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
  It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
  boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
  didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
  this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
  method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
 I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
 partition... 
Yes, but don't panic, lilo had made a backup.

Use lilo -u /dev/sda1 to restore the old one. Verify before that
/boot/boot.0801 has the expected modification date (i.e. when you installed
lilo with the boot=/dev/sda1 option)

Now make sure you have a floppy handy from which you could boot Linux.

Next switch on the bootable flag of the /dev/sda1 partition using cfdisk.
Switch it off for all other partitions.

Now you should be able to reboot to Windows 95, provided you did the
fdisk/mbr before.

To really make booting as you wanted it replace 
 boot=/dev/sda1
with
 boot=/dev/sda
and run lilo -v

(after booting to Linux of course :-)


Nils

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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Wojciech Zabolotny
I think that LILO anyway saves the old boot sector, so maybe not
everything is lost ...
From 'man lilo':
 -s save-file
  When  lilo overwrites the boot sector, it preserves
  the  old   contents   in   a   file,   by   default
  /boot/boot.  where   depends on the device.
  This option specifies an alternate  save  file  for
  the  boot sector. (Or, together with the -u option,
  specifies from where to restore the boot sector.)

I've never used LILO with -s option but it anyway created the
/boot/boot.0303 and /boot/boot.0300 files on my box.
I'm not expert in lilo, so I don't know if it really can help...

Wojtek Zabolotny
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On Fri, 22 May 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:

 On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
  It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
  boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
  didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
  this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
  method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
  
  Here is my lilo.conf:
 
 I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
 partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
 loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
 sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  -- no 1
 
  
  boot=/dev/sda1
  root=/dev/sda3
  compact
  install=/boot/boot.b
  map=/boot/map
  vga=normal
  delay=20
  
  image=/vmlinuz
  label=linux
  read-only
  root=/dev/sda3
  
  image=/vmlinuz.old
  label=old
  read-only
  root=/dev/sda3
  
  other = /dev/sda1
  label=win95
  table = /dev/sda
 
 the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says boot off of /dev/sda1, but you have
 installed LILO there, that is why you get it again...
 
  It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
  I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
  Win95 will be default SO.
 
 When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will
 fix it...
 
 
 I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have
 done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I
 realized.
 
 
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Re: A WinNT 4.0 registry editor for Un*x?

1998-05-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:19:39AM +, Ulisses Alonso wrote:
 Does such thing exist?

What a perverse idea! REGEDIT (for Win95 at least) can dump your registry to 
a text file from the DOS command line; if your
system is hosed and you're trying to recover it from Linux, maybe you could
dump it to a text file either by

1. copying it to another NT machine, or
2. running regedit under dosemu?

then edit it, and merge it back however.

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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:50:09PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
 I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
 partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
 loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
 sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  -- no 1

It's not just a matter of killing the Windows loader, Windows actually
stores partition meta-information in the superblock, which lilo will
write in to. Fortunately you can restore it as other people have suggested.

(Linux doesn't do this, so it is safe to use boot=/dev/sda2 if sda2
is your Linux partition. The default for Debian, even.)


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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Stephen Carpenter
Michael Beattie wrote:

 On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ionut Borcoman at musa wrote:

  Hi,
 
  It's a little bit humorous, but I'm unable to boot back to WIn95. And my
  boss is in a hurry ! I've played a little with the kernel and now it
  didn't recognize the vfat2 partition. Anything else is working, just
  this is not. I have installed the lilo and I cannot remove it. The
  method with booting from floppy and giving fdisk /mbr doesn't work.
 
  Here is my lilo.conf:

 I dont want to upset you, but I _think_ you have fried your win95
 partition... I believe that your 'boot=/dev/sda1' has killed the windows
 loader... I dont know how to best explain how it works, as I dont know for
 sure...  I use 'boot=/dev/hda'  -- no 1

I knew when I looked at that lilo.conf something was wrong...however...it looks
like just the boot information was screwedI think this
can be fixed

  boot=/dev/sda1
  root=/dev/sda3
  compact
  install=/boot/boot.b
  map=/boot/map
  vga=normal
  delay=20
 
  image=/vmlinuz
  label=linux
  read-only
  root=/dev/sda3
 
  image=/vmlinuz.old
  label=old
  read-only
  root=/dev/sda3
 
  other = /dev/sda1
  label=win95
  table = /dev/sda

 the 'other = /dev/sda1' line says boot off of /dev/sda1, but you have
 installed LILO there, that is why you get it again...

  It registers the win95 entry, but, if I type win95 at the LILO: prompt,
  I just receive another LILO: prompt. Also, it will be better if the
  Win95 will be default SO.

 When you get it going... a 'default=win95' in the section at the top will
 fix it...

 I hope this reason for your problem is not the case for you, But I have
 done this myself once, and It was not a pleasant feeling in my gut when I
 realized.


After reading all of this...here is what I would dowrite down where your 
linux
root is...
boot a windows 95 disk...you should be able to c: to get onto the hard drive.
from there fdisk /mbr
this will destroy lilo and reinstall the Win95 boot loader...
then get out your linux emergency boot disk (you do have one right?...
ig no tlook for Tom's Unix on a Floppy
(as the lsm for it says sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/recovery
tomsrtbt-1.1.4.38.tar.gz )
mount yout root partition and then cd /mnt/etc
edit lilo.conf to aply the fix above
then lilo -C lilo.conf (from /mnt/etc)
NB: I have not done THIS specifically...This is however what I would personally 
do
(remember don't fdisk /mbr unless when you boot off of the floppy for win95
you can see and use the C: drive)
Good Luck...hopefully you wont need it
-Steve
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Re: A WinNT 4.0 registry editor for Un*x?

1998-05-22 Thread Stephen Carpenter
Ulisses Alonso wrote:

 Hi all

 Does such thing exist?

nothing exists that I know of...however...I do have a file which describes the
registryit gives byte offsetts...all sorts of
info
possibly enough info to write an editor (somebody decided to spend a few
sleepless
nights and compile such a file, covers win3.1, win95 and NT)
It was not written by M$...and I doubt they would give out the info without
signing some serious NDAs and probably giving them a good amount
of $$ ..and even then they might not tell you much
someone asked me to write one..and gave me this file but...
it is way to complex for meand looks like a PITA to work with...
I am forrced to wonder if this convoluted system is some brilliant system which
was
made purposfully convoluted so that noone else can work with it without help 
from

M$ or if it is just one more example of very very poor planning and bad
programming
(I am inclined to believe the latter over the former)
(BTW if you want that file on the regisrtyI think I can find it...)
-Steve

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Re: Kernel panic error on startup

1998-05-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Nathan E Norman wrote:

 On 21 May 1998, Paul Mackinney wrote:
 
 : Booting for the first time from recovery disk, I get the following
 : error just after it resets the SCSI bus: 
 : 
 : aic7xxx: (aic7xxx_isr) Encountered spurious interrupt.
 : scsi0: BRKADRINT error(0x1):
 :   Illegal Host Access
 : Kernel panic: scsi0: BRKADRINT, error 0x1, segaddr 0x0.
 
 Hmm, this sounds like the (in)famous AHA-2740/2840 boot failure.
[...]
 The solution is to use a rescue disk with only the drivers you need.

  I'm using Debian 1.3, and had to build a custom boot disk because the
  probing in the regular install boot disk would somehow touch the Adaptec
  SCSI controller and reboot the PC.  This was actually very easy to do using
  another Linux machine.  The custom kernel and instructions are at:

   ftp://ftp.phys.ocean.dal.ca/users/rhogee/Debian/

  Beware, my CDROM is not SCSI so I did not compile that in.

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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Bonard B. Timmons III
Given the volume of traffic on this list, I would certainly find a
newsgroup more convenient. 

1) it maintains threads, and thus has MUCH better organization and access.

Try a threading mail reader: mutt or gnus. I use gnus and I cannot
imagine anything better.

Bake


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RE: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Goetzke, Christopher L
 -Original Message-
 From: Gregory Guthrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:16 PM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Cc: recipient list not shown
 Subject: newsgroup, instead of mail list?
 
 
 Given the volume of traffic on this list, I would certainly find a
 newsgroup more convenient. 

FWIW, I'd like a newsgroup, as well.  I'm new to Debian, and I find this
list very helpful.  It's also very high-traffic, and if I have to be
away from my email for a few days (*gasp*!), I'm not sure I'll ever be
able to catch up!  A newsgroup would facilitate finding threads I can
learn from /or contribute to.

$0.02 *cha-ching*!

Chris


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RE: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Goetzke, Christopher L
 -Original Message-
 From: George Bonser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:24 PM
 To: Gregory Guthrie
 Cc: recipient list not shown
 Subject: Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?
 
 Many people DO read debian-user by newsreader. As a matter of 
 fact, there
 is more traffic in the Usenet version because posts are not 
 gatewayed back
 to the mailing list.
 
 Look for linux.debian.user on a news server near you.

Well, that's what I get for being too quick on the reply key!

My local news server does indeed have linux.debian.user; I'm headed that
way now.  Those of you staying email can argue about whether you want
posts gatewayed back to the list.  ;-)

Chris Goetzke

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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Chris Fury
I don't know about you folks, but my newserver (news.vt.edu) has the
group, but I've never seen a single message in it

Am I broken?

Goetzke, Christopher L wrote:
 
  -Original Message-
  From: George Bonser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 10:24 PM
  To: Gregory Guthrie
  Cc: recipient list not shown
  Subject: Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?
 
  Many people DO read debian-user by newsreader. As a matter of
  fact, there
  is more traffic in the Usenet version because posts are not
  gatewayed back
  to the mailing list.
 
  Look for linux.debian.user on a news server near you.
 
 Well, that's what I get for being too quick on the reply key!
 
 My local news server does indeed have linux.debian.user; I'm headed that
 way now.  Those of you staying email can argue about whether you want
 posts gatewayed back to the list.  ;-)
 
 Chris Goetzke
 
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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Gregory Guthrie wrote:

 Given the volume of traffic on this list, I would certainly find a
 newsgroup more convenient.

 1) it maintains threads, and thus has MUCH better organization and access.

Not so. News servers no nothing about threads. News clients do. What's more, I
believe they use the same header fields to do it as mail clients which thread. 
My
mail client (Netscape) threads just fine, doesn't yours?

 2) the linear, header and footer interspersed format of the digested list
 is very noisy, and hard to read. IMHO.

I can imagine. That's why you should read the regular list rather than the
digest. Then you won't have this problem.

 Note that newsgroups can automatically accept Email inputs, and can also be
 list replicated.

Note as a counterpoint that mailing lists can also be replicated to newsgroups.
Note further that Usenet news is where annoying spammers often glean email
addresses. In case this isn't enough, consider that a lot of people behind
restrictive firewalls can get email but *not* news.

 COmments?

You asked for it! 8)

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Diagnostic tool recommendations?

1998-05-22 Thread Richardson,Anthony

First, kudos to the Debian and Linux developers.  I was given a
PS/2 Model 80 (386 - Microchannel (MCA) machine) with an
MCA IDE controller.  I added a 2 GB IDE drive and an ATAPI
CDROM.  The debian installation went flawlessly!!! Both the
hard disk and CDROM were recognized and usable.

I'm impressed and very happy. Almost. :-(  I get segmentation
faults at various times after using the system for awhile.
I suspect that this could be do to a bad memory SIMM.
I've got five 2 MB SIMMs spread across two MCA memory
expansion cards for a whopping 11 MB (1MB on system board).
I think that one of these SIMMs could be bad.  Can anyone
suggest tools for locating the bad SIMM?  (If not, I'll just start
pulling them one at a time.)  Or should I be looking else where
for the problem?

Symptoms: Seg fault error may occur at any time, running any program.
No problems under DOS. (But I understand that DOS isn't nearly as
aggressive in using memory as Linux.)

Thanks for any help
Tony Richardson


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Re: slow telnet over ppp (28800 bps)

1998-05-22 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Ahhh yes. Once again we are reminded that bandwidth != latency. Is the response
time slow even when telnet is the only thing running over the wire?

Ulisses Alonso wrote:

 Hi all,

 using http to a remote host works ok, but telneting to the same host
 is horrible slow and not quite interactive friendly

 Maybe this is an mtu/mru parameter issue?

 I did not found anything on telnet rfcs (quick search)

 Any addvice will be greatly appreciated...

 Ulisses

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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Ionut Borcoman at musa
Hi,

Unfortunately, I've panicked and reinstalled all Win95. Fortunately, all
my personal data and files are on a different partition (sda5 and sda6)
so nothing important was lost, excepting my time and yours. With this
occasion I have also changed sda1 from FAT32 to VFAT as my newly 2.0.33
kernel didn't recognize it. Any idea about this ? The original kernel
that come with hamm had had no problem to mount that partition.

Now, the Win95 is working again and sda1 is simple vfat partion. I used
loadlin to boot linux, but I would like to use lilo. So here is my new
lilo.conf. Please tell me if it is good. I don't want to be again in the
position to install Win95. 8-)

boot=/dev/sda
root=/dev/sda3
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20
default=win95

image=/vmlinuz
label=linux
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

image=/vmlinuz.old
label=old
read-only
root=/dev/sda3

other = /dev/sda1
label=win95
table = /dev/sda


A question related is this: my computer has 128M RAm, but linux see just
64M. I have read that you can put mem=128M at the LILO: prompt or to
include it in the lilo.conf. Also, it is stated that, even when you have
128M physical RAM, some RAM can be mapped and used by BIOS. SO, how do I
know how much RAM to declare to LILO and how do I do this in lilo.conf.

I will wait your answers till make a new step. 8-)

Thanks,

Ionutz


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netscape4 and long keys

1998-05-22 Thread Douglas Bates
Is it possible to get a copy of netscape4.05 with hard encryption (128
bit keys) for Linux 2.0?  I would like to install this if possible.  I
am in the U.S. and qualify to obtain such a version if it is
available.

I seem to a recall discussion of methods of modifying the 48 bit
version to create a 128 bit version.  Can anyone give me details on this?


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RE: slow telnet over ppp (28800 bps)

1998-05-22 Thread Goetzke, Christopher L
 -Original Message-
 From: Ulisses Alonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 6:22 AM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Cc: recipient list not shown
 Subject: slow telnet over ppp (28800 bps)
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 using http to a remote host works ok, but telneting to the same host
 is horrible slow and not quite interactive friendly

Some of my co-workers have had good luck using ssh with maximum
compression over a dial-up link instead of telnet.  I don't know if
that's possible for you, but it's something to consider.

Although there is probably a more fundamental problem that should be
addressed.

Chris

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Re: netscape4 and long keys

1998-05-22 Thread Bob Nielsen
On 22 May 1998, Douglas Bates wrote:

 Is it possible to get a copy of netscape4.05 with hard encryption (128
 bit keys) for Linux 2.0?  I would like to install this if possible.  I
 am in the U.S. and qualify to obtain such a version if it is
 available.
 
 I seem to a recall discussion of methods of modifying the 48 bit
 version to create a 128 bit version.  Can anyone give me details on this?

Install the export version and get the patch from ftp.fortify.net which
will modify netscape to use 128 bit encryption.  

Bob


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Re: Where I can find KDE

1998-05-22 Thread Chris Zander
The official spot to look for KDE is www.kde.org.

The latest stable release is KDE Beta 4, available for hamm on the kde ftp
server: ftp.kde.org. There are (I think ) 9 packages, two of which are
essential (kdelibs, kdebase), however, you ought to get the others as well.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Mauro Mazzieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 1:23 PM
Subject: Where I can find KDE


As you can understand reading the subject of this letter, my question is:
where
I can find a KDE distribuition, better if in .deb format? I prefer CDs, but
any
help is useful...


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Diagnostic tool recommendations?

1998-05-22 Thread Kenneth . Scharf

First, kudos to the Debian and Linux developers.  I was given a
PS/2 Model 80 (386 - Microchannel (MCA) machine) with an
MCA IDE controller.  I added a 2 GB IDE drive and an ATAPI
CDROM.  The debian installation went flawlessly!!! Both the
hard disk and CDROM were recognized and usable.

I'm impressed and very happy. Almost. :-(  I get segmentation
faults at various times after using the system for awhile.
I suspect that this could be do to a bad memory SIMM.
I've got five 2 MB SIMMs spread across two MCA memory
expansion cards for a whopping 11 MB (1MB on system board).
I think that one of these SIMMs could be bad.  Can anyone
suggest tools for locating the bad SIMM?  (If not, I'll just start
pulling them one at a time.)  Or should I be looking else where
for the problem?

Symptoms: Seg fault error may occur at any time, running any program.
No problems under DOS. (But I understand that DOS isn't nearly as
aggressive in using memory as Linux.)

Thanks for any help
Tony Richardson

The fact that you do not get segfaults under dos is because you spend most
of your time there in non-protected mode.  A segment fault means violating
the segment limits.  The segment tables are cached in the cpu  (for the
active segment) but the tables are stored in ram.  Your first 1 meg of
memory is probably OK as it would be mapped to the lower 1m (used by dos).
I thought that there were some kernal options dealing with the MCA and
maybe these need to be compiled in for the model 80.



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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many people DO read debian-user by newsreader. As a matter of fact, there
is more traffic in the Usenet version because posts are not gatewayed back
to the mailing list.

Oh that's great. Not.

Look for linux.debian.user on a news server near you.

The linux.* hierarchy was declared dead almost 2 years ago, but it
doesn't want to die apparently.

Gating mail to news is NOT a good idea. Why? Because a lot of people do it.
For example, some linux-kernel postings still show up in linux.dev.kernel.
But there is _also_ a muc.lists.kernel which does the same. Because the
typical news system only accepts articles with the same message ID once,
half of the postings show up in muc.lists.kernel and the other half in
linux.dev.kernel. It's probably even worse as there must be more gateways.

Then you have the fact that newspostings do not get propagated back to
the mailing list (actually because most people cannot set that up properly
it's probably just as fortunate ..).

A better idea is to create a new newsgroup comp.os.linux.dist.debian
or so..

The best solution is a unified mail/news reader application ofcourse
that can let you read mailing lists as newsgroups. Only emacs (with GNUs)
can do that now AFAIK and I do not want to learn emacs..

(In case you want to know, I try to filter out all newsgroups-that-are-
gated-mailing-lists on the server I administrate and gate the interesting
mailing lists to _local_ newsgroups and back).

Mike.
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Re: ppp, PII/P90, ioctl(SIOCADDRT) device route: Network is down(100)

1998-05-22 Thread Jaakko Niemi
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x6 compress VJ 0f 
 00 addr 195.64.64.1]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: sent [IPCP ConfRej id=0x6 addr 
 195.64.64.1]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x7 addrs 
 195.64.64.1 195.64.69.173 compress VJ 0f 00]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: sent [IPCP ConfRej id=0x7 addrs 
 195.64.64.1 195.64.69.173]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x8 compress VJ 0f 
 00]

 Your machine does not like the other ends idea of ip addresses. See the 
ConfRejs.
 Are you using static or dynamic ips ? Check out the noipdefault option 
 for ppp.

--j

 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x8 compress VJ 0f 
 00]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: ioctl(SIOCADDRT) device route: Network is 
 down(100)
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: sent [IPCP TermReq id=0x2 Interface 
 configuration failed]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: rcvd [IPCP TermAck id=0x9]
 May 21 13:15:07 muso pppd[1020]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 No network 
 protocols running]
 May 21 13:15:08 muso pppd[1020]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
 May 21 13:15:08 muso pppd[1020]: Modem hangup
 May 21 13:15:08 muso pppd[1020]: Connection terminated.
 May 21 13:15:09 muso pppd[1020]: Exit.
 
 
 
 
 The log for the P90 (stelo) is identical, untill the end:
 
 Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x8 compress VJ 0f 
 00]
 Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x8 compress VJ 0f 
 00]
 Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy 
 ARP
 Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: local  IP address 195.64.69.201
 Mar 19 12:09:02 stelo pppd[587]: remote IP address 195.64.68.16
 Mar 19 12:09:11 stelo pppd[587]: Terminating on signal 15.
 Mar 19 12:09:11 stelo pppd[587]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 User request]
 Mar 19 12:09:11 stelo pppd[587]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x3]
 
 
 Thanks!
 (Please, also copies to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I'm not any 
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Re: !!! URGENT !!! Can't boot back to Win95

1998-05-22 Thread Ionut Borcoman at musa
Hi,

The lilo.conf it's working. So, if you have time, please just tell me
how to configure the memory.

TIA,

Ionutz


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new ncurses and loss of terminfo files

1998-05-22 Thread Howard S. \('Sherm'\) Ostrowsky
Hi:

I recently updated to the latest set of ncurses packages in my
(mostly) frozen debian system.  When installation finished, my
system no longer understood linux or rxvt as terminal types!
A search showed that the directory /etc/terminfo had been 
completely gutted -- all the old files had been removed -- and
one new file (xterm) had been added.  The .list file for the
ncurses-base packages says that the linux and rxvt definitions
(among others) *should* have been installed, but they weren't.
I had to reconstruct them from the otherwise unused termcap file
from the termcap-compat package (glad I had it!).

Has anyone else seen this problem?  Can anyone tell me what happened?

TIA.
Sherm Ostrowsky


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Re: slow telnet over ppp (28800 bps)

1998-05-22 Thread Ulisses Alonso
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:

 Ahhh yes. Once again we are reminded that bandwidth != latency. Is the 
 response
 time slow even when telnet is the only thing running over the wire?

Yes it is


regards,

Ulisses
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Re: A WinNT 4.0 registry editor for Un*x?

1998-05-22 Thread Ulisses Alonso
Hi Hammish!

Thanks for you reply!

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

 On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 11:19:39AM +, Ulisses Alonso wrote:
  Does such thing exist?
 
 What a perverse idea! 


 REGEDIT (for Win95 at least) can dump your registry to 
 a text file from the DOS command line; 

regedit for LooseNT also can do it

 if your
 system is hosed and you're trying to recover it from Linux, maybe you could
 dump it to a text file either by
 
 1. copying it to another NT machine, or

How to dump it remotely?

 2. running regedit under dosemu?

WinNT regedit?


regards,

Ulisses

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where's the 'man'?

1998-05-22 Thread Jonah Kuo
Hello,

I'm new to debian GNU/Linux, I've just installed debian base system
into
my notebook, but I found there's no 'man' command, doesn't 'man' come
with
base command?

Jonah


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RE: slow telnet over ppp (28800 bps)

1998-05-22 Thread Ulisses Alonso
Hi Goetzke!

 Some of my co-workers have had good luck using ssh with maximum
 compression over a dial-up link instead of telnet.  I don't know if
 that's possible for you, but it's something to consider.
 
 Although there is probably a more fundamental problem that should be
 addressed.

Thanks for your comments,

regards


Ulisses
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ppp

1998-05-22 Thread Kenneth . Scharf
Thanks to everyone who replied.  I'm sure my problem was the /dev/ttys1
instead of /dev/ttyS1.
I'll try this tonight.

I'd like to connect my modem to the linux machine and then  have my two
windows computers access the internet via a local network to the linux box
using IP - Masquerading.  Currently on windows when ever you click on the
browers icon it starts the dial out process (if the connection was not made
first).  Is there anyway to have this happen with PPP when the browers
starts up (on linux OR on the Win-95 machines)?  I'd like to leave the
linux machine up and running all the time, but not have to start PPP for my
wife when she sits down at the windows computer and starts her browser.
And (of course) I only want the PPP connection up when needed.  Any ideas?
(probably need to write some software on the windows side I guess).



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Re: where's the 'man'?

1998-05-22 Thread Will Lowe
 I'm new to debian GNU/Linux, I've just installed debian base system
 into
 my notebook, but I found there's no 'man' command, doesn't 'man' come
 with
 base command?
No -- it's not on the base disks because the actual manpages are big and
would take several more disks.  Just install the man packages from the CD
or net and you'll be fine. :)
Will


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A tough file to delete

1998-05-22 Thread Paul Rightley

I have a file (actually a few files - all on the same drive) that
I cannot delete.  They all report in at about 3.3GB in size (all
on a 2.1GB partition).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.33/arch/m68k# rm console
rm: remove `console', overriding mode 6467? y
rm: console: Operation not permitted
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.33/arch/m68k# chmod 666 console 
chmod: console: Operation not permitted

How do I get rid of these problems - the one above prevents me from
using dpkg for kernel-source?

Thanks for any assistance,

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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Gregory Guthrie
I don't know about you folks, but my newserver (news.vt.edu) has the
group, but I've never seen a single message in it

Am I broken?

-- Mine has 6 messages total; 
I get 10x that each day in the mail list!

Situation?

Greg


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Re: ppp

1998-05-22 Thread CTech
 Thanks to everyone who replied.  I'm sure my problem was the /dev/ttys1
 instead of /dev/ttyS1.
 I'll try this tonight.
 
 I'd like to connect my modem to the linux machine and then  have my two
 windows computers access the internet via a local network to the linux box
 using IP - Masquerading.  Currently on windows when ever you click on the
 browers icon it starts the dial out process (if the connection was not made
 first).  Is there anyway to have this happen with PPP when the browers
 starts up (on linux OR on the Win-95 machines)?  I'd like to leave the
 linux machine up and running all the time, but not have to start PPP for my
 wife when she sits down at the windows computer and starts her browser.
 And (of course) I only want the PPP connection up when needed.  Any ideas?
 (probably need to write some software on the windows side I guess).

Actually, there is already a package called diald that will auto-magically  
dial up your PPP connection as needed.


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I can't get tar to exclude files!!

1998-05-22 Thread Admaster Communications
I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 and I've tried many permutations of


tar -zcvf test.tar * --exclude=leave_me_out.txt

The file I ask to be excluded is reliably INcluded!!  What is the correct
syntax???

Thanks.

Adam Nelson


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Re: ppp

1998-05-22 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Fri, 22 May 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks to everyone who replied.  I'm sure my problem was the /dev/ttys1
 instead of /dev/ttyS1.
 I'll try this tonight.
 
 I'd like to connect my modem to the linux machine and then  have my two
 windows computers access the internet via a local network to the linux box
 using IP - Masquerading.  Currently on windows when ever you click on the
 browers icon it starts the dial out process (if the connection was not made
 first).  Is there anyway to have this happen with PPP when the browers
 starts up (on linux OR on the Win-95 machines)?  I'd like to leave the
 linux machine up and running all the time, but not have to start PPP for my
 wife when she sits down at the windows computer and starts her browser.
 And (of course) I only want the PPP connection up when needed.  Any ideas?
 (probably need to write some software on the windows side I guess).
 

diald will do this for you.


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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Martin Bialasinski

 MvS == Miquel van Smoorenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MvS Gating mail to news is NOT a good idea. Why? Because a lot of people
MvS do it.

But it does work well, if it is centralised. de.alt.comm.isdn4linux is a
(both-sided) gateway to a mailinglist. 

For me, it doesn't matter (I use gnus), but I prefer the newsgroup,
because I can cancel or superceed some of my braindead postings if I am
fast enough ;-)

Some things I expect, if there is a gateway:

 - Your question got answered two days ago. Why don't you read befor you
post - Sorry, I don't understand you. I just subscribed to the list and
...

 - People will start to forge their email address

 - We get a decent searchengine for the lists (via dejanews)

Ciao,
Martin


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gateway to linux.debian.user

1998-05-22 Thread Otavio Exel
hi all,

this list used to be gatewayed to linux.debian.user and now it seems
that's not true anymore;

is this correct? am I missing something?

please reply to me directly as I'm NOT subscribed (I used to access it
through linux.debian.user) to the list;

thanks!

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Re: PCMCIA card problems (Hamm)

1998-05-22 Thread Ian Lynagh
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Ian Lynagh wrote:

 I have fixed this by reinstalling and this time not using the updated
 debs.

Since the modules in pcmcia-modules-2.0.33 need to match the kernel
exactly, releases of this package must keep pace with releases of
the kernel-image-2.0.33 package.  (The version number reflects this.
For example, pcmcia-modules-2.0.33 version 3.0.0-6k8 is supposed to be
compatible with kernel-image-2.0.33 version 2.0.33-8.)

It would be nice if there was a pcmcia-kernel-2.0.33-8 as well,
which provides kernel-image-2.0.33, to avoid cases like now when
you can't download a matching pair.

Also, if I were to recompile my kernel to add sound support would
I also need to recompile the PCMCIA modules? Is there a doc anywhere
which shows step-by-step how to do this?

 This time round I also noticed the Alternate to configure PCMCIA,
 although I am confused as to why it is not done by default?

I do not understand what you are referring to here.

I think it was when Next referred to installing modules that
Configure PCMCIA was listed as alternate. I could be wrong.
All I know is the first time I installed I didn't go through
the 5 or so screens following. The first screen gave a choice
of Intel or *mumble* PCMCIA slots.

Thanks for your help
Ian
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Overriding fvwm95 buttons in the post.hook?

1998-05-22 Thread Douglas Bates
I have read the documentation on fvwm95 and on FvwmButtons but I am
still at a loss to decide how I would override definitions of buttons
in 
   /etc/X11/fvwm95/system.fvwm95rc

What I would like to do is to use rclock rather than xclock for one of
the buttons.  (rclock can be configured to alert you to incoming mail
so a single window can do double duty of displaying the clock and an
xbiff-like indicator of incoming mail.)

If I add the lines

*DebianFvwm95Buttons(Title rclock, Icon clock.xpm, \
 Swallow(UseOld) rclock 'Exec /usr/bin/X11/rclock -bg \#c0c0c0 \
 -geometry -1500-1500 ')

to my ~/.fvwm95/post.hook file I get the rclock in addition to all the
other buttons.  What I would like to do is to remove the other buttons
and then add the ones I want.  Is this possible using the post.hook
file?


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Re: ppp

1998-05-22 Thread Martin Bialasinski

 KS == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

KS  I'd like to leave the KS linux machine up and running all the time,
KS  but not have to start PPP for my KS wife when she sits down at the
KS  windows computer and starts her browser.  KS And (of course) I only
KS  want the PPP connection up when needed.  Any ideas?  KS (probably
KS  need to write some software on the windows side I guess).

Check out this site. I think this is what you need.
http://www.boxybutgood.com/masqdialer/

Ciao,
Martin


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How do I find out who's using port # xxxxx

1998-05-22 Thread Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella

Hi,

I wrote a small program that listened to a sokcet port. I wanted it to
never conflict with anything, so I made it listen to a port above
6.

Everything worked ok, but then, one day, it stopped working,
complaining another process was using that port. 

I tryed to find out who was using it, but could not. Is there a way to
find it? (Just a note: I changed the number, and it works, but I'd
like to be able to find out who's using that address, anyway).

Thanks.

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Re: Debian from the Stampede's POV

1998-05-22 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 01:08:11PM -0700, G John Lapeyre wrote:
  Does the stampede format even SUPPORT dependancies?
  
   This is readily available from their web site.
 
 SLP Version 2.1 int value of 4. (Production release)

[..]

That is gross and at best hard to use by the end users without special
tools.  This is the SAME problem rpm has.


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Installation

1998-05-22 Thread Karl Laping
All

I am a LINUX newcomer and just trying to install DEBIAN Gnu/Linux 1.3.1 on
a 486. As far I understood I can ask for help here. If not please tell me
where to ask.

The installation went very well until I came to DSELECT. First time DSELECT
asked: Insert the CD-ROM and enter the block name device. Because I do
not understand what block device name means, I killed the process. Next
time entering DSELECT the message was: $Unable to open/create access method
lockfile: Permission denied.

What do I have to do? Where can I find documentation?

Kind regards

Karlheinz Laping





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Re: Why fetchmail didn't download my e-mail ?

1998-05-22 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Ionut Borcoman at musa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

SNIP
 
 bash-2.01$ fetchmail 
 fetchmail: 1 message for borco at mail.mailbox.ro.
 reading message 1 of 1 (2579 bytes) fetchmail: SMTP error: 501
 @mail.mailbox.ro
  : colon expected after route
 fetchmail: SMTP error: 501 ionut : sender address must contain a
 domain
 fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from mail.mailbox.ro
 bash-2.01$ 
 
 
 In /var/log/exim
 
 1998-05-20 17:29:35 unqualified sender rejected: ionut H=localhost
 (debian.borco.net) [127.0.0.1] (ionut)
 

The problem isn't with fetchmail exactly, it's with exim - What
appears to be happening is that error messages have no envelope sender 
(presumably to prevent stuff from being thrown back at them - there's
no point in generating an error message for an error message), so
fetchmail just uses your name as the envelope sender.

Exim, however, doesn't want to accept your unqualified (unqualified
here means a name such as ionut and not [EMAIL PROTECTED])
username as a sending address.  The way to tell exim to behave more
like less paranoid mailers and accept this unqualified address is to
put the following in /etc/exim.conf:

sender_unqualified_hosts = localhost

Hmmm... I wonder if I've been missing some error messages because of
this... (I didn't have this line in my exim.conf until now either).

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Unknown PCI Ethernet card

1998-05-22 Thread Peter Paluch
Hello everybody,


in my school I want to install a PCI ethernet card into my Linux server
box. I am not sure about it's type although I've read all manuals to it.
It just says it is a Genius / KYE Corp. Ethernet Card which is NE2000
compatible, I think it is something like Genius 2500. 

Who can advice me which driver should I use for this card? I don't know
which one to choose.

Any answer is greatly appreciated. CC replies to my address are welcome.

All the very best,
Peter
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Re: Unknown PCI Ethernet card

1998-05-22 Thread Will Lowe
 It just says it is a Genius / KYE Corp. Ethernet Card which is NE2000
 compatible, I think it is something like Genius 2500. 
 
 Who can advice me which driver should I use for this card? I don't know
 which one to choose.
If if says it's NE2000 compat.,  use the ne2000 driver.  The newer
development kernels have specialized ne2000 drivers for PCI ethernet
cards,  but the standard ne2000 one in the debian kernels ought to be ok.

Will


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Re: PGP 262

1998-05-22 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 11:44:47AM -0700, The Gecko wrote:
 
 On 21-May-98 Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
  Is there a specific reason that you need to build PGP yourself?  It's
  available in .deb format at
  ftp://nonus.debian.org/pub/debian-non-US/bo/binary-i386/pgp-us_2.6.3a-1.deb
 None, except that when I asked here earlier where to get it.. I was directed 
 to
 the uncompiled tar-ball and not the deb package :/

PGP 2.6.2 is not ELF-ready.  There's the non-us version as well as the
tarball source and diffs.  The truly paranoid will want tarball and the diff
required to make a .deb out of it.  2.6.3 fixes many of the problems with
2.6.2 and is what most of us are using nowadays..


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RE: Unknown PCI Ethernet card

1998-05-22 Thread The Gecko

On 22-May-98 Peter Paluch wrote:
 in my school I want to install a PCI ethernet card into my Linux server
 box. I am not sure about it's type although I've read all manuals to it.
 It just says it is a Genius / KYE Corp. Ethernet Card which is NE2000
 compatible, I think it is something like Genius 2500. 
 
 Who can advice me which driver should I use for this card? I don't know
 which one to choose.
On the PCs I used PCI ethernet cards (I don't have the brands that I've used
but everyone without execption has worked) I just use ne2000 support.. I
believe it's the ne.o one.
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Re: Overriding fvwm95 buttons in the post.hook?

1998-05-22 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have read the documentation on fvwm95 and on FvwmButtons but I am
 still at a loss to decide how I would override definitions of buttons
 in 
  /etc/X11/fvwm95/system.fvwm95rc
 
 What I would like to do is to use rclock rather than xclock for one of
 the buttons.  (rclock can be configured to alert you to incoming mail
 so a single window can do double duty of displaying the clock and an
 xbiff-like indicator of incoming mail.)
 
 If I add the lines
 
 *DebianFvwm95Buttons(Title rclock, Icon clock.xpm, \
  Swallow(UseOld) rclock 'Exec /usr/bin/X11/rclock -bg \#c0c0c0 \
  -geometry -1500-1500 ')
 
 to my ~/.fvwm95/post.hook file I get the rclock in addition to all the
 other buttons.  What I would like to do is to remove the other buttons
 and then add the ones I want.  Is this possible using the post.hook
 file?

Well, I'm not entirely certain it is - this is one of the reasons I
really need to get off my but and package up something like Redhat's
configuration scheme.

Actually... (checking the fvwm95 man page)
Yes, it is possible.
What you need to do is say:
DestroyModuleConfig DebianFvwm95Buttons

This wipes out all the default buttons - you can add the ones you want 
back in.


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Re: Unknown PCI Ethernet card

1998-05-22 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Peter Paluch wrote:

 Hello everybody,
 
 
 in my school I want to install a PCI ethernet card into my Linux server
 box. I am not sure about it's type although I've read all manuals to it.
 It just says it is a Genius / KYE Corp. Ethernet Card which is NE2000
 compatible, I think it is something like Genius 2500. 
 
 Who can advice me which driver should I use for this card? I don't know
 which one to choose.
 

For kernels = 2.0.33, use the ne2000 driver (under 'other ISA').  2.0.34
will have a PCI driver for PCI ne2000 clones.   I'm using this driver in
2.0.34pre12 and it works fine, but the ISA driver did also.

Bob


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Re: PGP 262

1998-05-22 Thread The Gecko
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On 22-May-98 Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
 PGP 2.6.2 is not ELF-ready.  There's the non-us version as well as the
 tarball source and diffs.  The truly paranoid will want tarball and the diff
 required to make a .deb out of it.  2.6.3 fixes many of the problems with
 2.6.2 and is what most of us are using nowadays..

That's ok.. got it working (see the signature :)  Now I have to figure out what
to do with it next...
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Re: X windows, Dselect, and then some...

1998-05-22 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 02:10:29PM -0500, Goetzke, Christopher L wrote:
  (1) What is the graphical configuration utility for Xfree86 
  called ( and
  where is it)?
 
 It's XF86Setup.  I don't recall where it lives offhand (and my
 computer is in an odd state at the moment, needing re-installs of the MS
 OSs on my tri-boot 95/NT/Linux machine; anyway, I can't get to my Linux
 partitions right now [under NT]).  XF86Setup is in root's path on my
 system, and I don't think I've modified said path.

xserver-vga16, it's required to use the GUI anyway.


  (3) Is there a program that will compare packages installed 
  on my system to
  current packages on the FTP site and suggest / download all upgrades?
 
 As has been mentioned, dselect can do this.  Yell if you have problems.

Good luck with dselect.  I use it, but most developers won't because of how
hard they find it to use.  So far, everyone seems to like apt, but it's not
finished yet.


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Re: newsgroup, instead of mail list?

1998-05-22 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 10:15:54PM -0500, Gregory Guthrie wrote:
 Given the volume of traffic on this list, I would certainly find a
 newsgroup more convenient. 
 
 1) it maintains threads, and thus has MUCH better organization and access.

Mutt does this with mail.

 2) the linear, header and footer interspersed format of the digested list
 is very noisy, and hard to read. IMHO.

I don't use digest, I use normal debian-user with mutt.


 Note that newsgroups can automatically accept Email inputs, and can also be
 list replicated.
 
 COmments?

You can if you have a local news server set up a gateway.  Good luck you you
try to set up either.  =p


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