Re: Condiguración de Conexión a Internet
Jon Noble wrote: Siguiendo las instucciones de Infovia-Howto (Método A) he creado los ficheros necesarios, pero me encuentro que al ejecutar pppd me da el mensage: In file /etc/ppp/options: unreconized option '+ua'. Hola, el problema es que la opcion +ua está obsoleta, creo. Sustituye +ua - por user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Además, creo que en el fichero pap-secrets tienes que poner el nombre y password así: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * password Bien, preo recuerda que el formato es: usuariotab*tabpassword Si lo pones con espacio no funciona. Un Saludo Han Solo The Rebel Alliance Conecto, luego existo. Desconecto, luego insisto. Soy usuario de infobirria+ P.D. La firma no es mía, sino de uno que trabajaba, precisamente, en M$. Vivir para ver.
Tarjeta de video.
Voy a comprar una tarjeta de video, pero no se cual, quisiera que me recomendaran una que linux la soporte, no se si comprar una agp o una voodoo, el problema es que me dicen que para la voodoo necesito una tarjeta de video normal, tambien quisiera que me recomendaran marcas.
La memoria se me empeta
Hola a todos, cuando llevo mucho rato trabajando por ejemplo con Netscape Navigator (que es con lo que lo he notado) la memoria se me llena y el sistema se vuelve terriblemente lento e incluso se me conjelan Netscape y las aplicaciones que tenga abierta y el sistema llega a veces incluso a expulsarme de la sesión X. No se si la culpa es de un swap demasiado chico: 32 Mb de swap y 64Mb RAM. Temas de micro no creo que sean pues dispongo de un PII 400. Se que el tema es de emoria pues hoy cuando me dió el problema casualmente lanzaba un dpkg -l|grep xforms y la respuesta fue un. dpkg: malloc failed (65552 bytes): Cannot allocate memory Si hago un top no observo falta de memoria, ¿qué puede estar pasando?. Si es falta de swap, ¿se puede ampliar sin tener que borrar todo y empezar desde cero?. Gracias. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: La memoria se me empeta
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Javier_Vi=F1uales_Guti=E9rrez?= wrote: Hola a todos, cuando llevo mucho rato trabajando por ejemplo con Netscape Navigator (que es con lo que lo he notado) la memoria se me llena y el sistema se vuelve terriblemente lento e incluso se me conjelan Netscape y las aplicaciones que tenga abierta y el sistema llega a veces incluso a expulsarme de la sesión X. No se si la culpa es de un swap demasiado chico: 32 Mb de swap y 64Mb RAM. Temas de micro no creo que sean pues dispongo de un PII 400. Tu swap es enana. Pon 150Mb de swap. Si tienes varios discos reparte el espacio de swap de forma equiligrada para conseguir mayor eficiencia. Se que el tema es de emoria pues hoy cuando me dió el problema casualmente lanzaba un dpkg -l|grep xforms y la respuesta fue un. dpkg: malloc failed (65552 bytes): Cannot allocate memory Esto es la demostración de que no tienes suficiente memoria virtual. Si hago un top no observo falta de memoria, ¿qué puede estar pasando?. Si es falta de swap, ¿se puede ampliar sin tener que borrar todo y empezar desde cero?. Si tienes espacio libre solo tienes que añadir particiones de tipo swap. Si no tienes espacio para nuevas particiones puedes ampliar la swap usando swap en un fichero normal aunque estas cosas solo las recomiendo como parche temporal para ir tirando. La swap debe ser lo más rápida posible y para ello lo suyo es usar particiones tipo swap. Gracias. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --- En caso de contestar a la lista mandame copia personal. /\ /\ Los mas importantes desarrolladores de Bases de datos \\W//están portando sus productos a Linux. Porque crees tu _|0 0|_ que será ?Yo creo que Linux es el futuro. +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher | | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | +()()()--()()()--+
Re: KDE
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 01/18/99 11:21 AM Eduardo Barrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buenas L-ers q ¿Alguien a instalado KDE?. Tengo el cdrom de Linux Actual 5 y lo intento pero me dan problemas de dependencias y no sé que hacer. ¿Como puedo hacerlo? Help. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Saludos, Prueba, utilizando dpkg -i desde la shell, instalando primero las qt y despues los paquetes de Kde. Si lo haces en el orden correcto, que descubriras con tanteo, no deberias tener ningun problema. Por lo menos a mi no me lo dio, y no tuve que echar mano de paquetes de otros sitios. Melkor...
make zImage
Hola amigos voay avanzando. Pero ahora me ocurre que al ejecutar make zImage despues de make menuconfig me da un error que es as86 -o - a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s make[1] as86: Command not found make[1]: ***[bootsect.o] Error 127 Con lo cual me he quedado parado pues necesito compilar el Kernel 2.0.36 para poder instalar XFree86. Un saludo, gracias. Pepe.
RV: make zImage
hola a la lista, es el primer mensaje que envio y creo que responde a una pregunta, despues de este ya preguntare yo :-)) lo del make zImage yo diria que no tienes instalado el paquete de ensamblador, a mi tambien me paso eso. hasta pronto Hola amigos voay avanzando. Pero ahora me ocurre que al ejecutar make zImage despues de make menuconfig me da un error que es as86 -o - a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s make[1] as86: Command not found make[1]: ***[bootsect.o] Error 127 Con lo cual me he quedado parado pues necesito compilar el Kernel 2.0.36 para poder instalar XFree86. Un saludo, gracias. Pepe. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Tarjeta de video.
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Miguel Angel Hernandez Sanchez wrote: Voy a comprar una tarjeta de video, pero no se cual, quisiera que me recomendaran una que linux la soporte, no se si comprar una agp o una voodoo, el problema es que me dicen que para la voodoo necesito una tarjeta de video normal, tambien quisiera que me recomendaran marcas. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Saludos, Mi consejo es que consideres la posibilidad de adquirir una ATI, si no necesitas algo monstruoso. Por experiencia propia, tengo una GRAPHICS PRO TURBO (hoy en dia una tarjeta antigua) , XFREE86 controla muy bien estas tarjetas, aprovechando la aceleracion de la tarjeta. Tengo informes de que la nueva tarjeta de ATI (esta que lleva de todo integrado) funciona de manera aceptable en un sistema DEBIAN. Tu veras. Melkor...
Re: Tarjeta de video.
Voy a comprar una tarjeta de video, pero no se cual, quisiera que me recomendaran una que linux la soporte, no se si comprar una agp o una voodoo, el problema es que me dicen que para la voodoo necesito una tarjeta de video normal, tambien quisiera que me recomendaran marcas. Depende para que la quieras. Asi para uso doméstico lo mas aconsejable es una tarjeta coon el chip i740 de intel, y de la marca que más te guste. Sale por unas 6.000 ptas (36 Euros), y viene con 8 Mb de memoria. Tiene un refgresco de 85 Mhz, y la memoria va a 205 Mhz. En fin, bastante equilibrado. En cuanto al servidor de X, existe ya compilado, pero ahora no me acuerdo de la direcciónde Intennes en la que se encuentra. __ / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /la oportunidad de -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ dominar tu ordenador __ | | |Miguel Pérez Colino | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | http://www2.adi.uam.es/~migpc | |__|
Re: valor octal de los permisos
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Javier Fdz-Sanguino Pen~a wrote:
La verdad es que es mu sencillo hacerlo a mano
Un script podría hacer algo así... a ver lo estoy probando... sí:
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 02:36:58AM +0100, Vicente Barba wrote:
Me pregunto si hay alguna forma (por comando o script) de saber que
permisos en forma octal tiene un archivo.
Yo he hecho un pequeño programilla: Grábalo, míralo, modifícalo a
tu gusto, compílalo y ejecútalo.
·8·
/*
* Se trata de mostrar los permisos de un fichero cuyo nombre
* suministra el usuario como argumento del programa, en octal.
* ©1999 yo, bajo licencia GPL y bla, bla, bla...
*/
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#include sys/stat.h
#include unistd.h
void ver_permisos(const char *camino);
static char *NombrePrograma;
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
NombrePrograma = *argv;
if (argc == 1) {
fprintf(stderr, Modo de empleo: %s fichero...\n, NombrePrograma);
return 1;
}
while (*++argv)
ver_permisos(*argv);
return 0;
}
/*---
** ver_permisos() - Muestra los permisos de acceso del fichero
** cuyo nombre recibe como argumento.
** No devuelve nada.
*/
void ver_permisos(const char *camino)
{
struct stat nodoi;/* para stat() */
if (stat(camino, nodoi) != 0) { /* obtención del nodo-í */
fprintf(stderr, %s: Fallo en stat(%s, ...)\a\n, NombrePrograma, camino);
exit(1);
}
/* El # en el formato hace que salga un 0 inicial para indicar que el
número mostrado es octal.
La operación Y con 0777 es para filtrar sólo los bits de permisos
normales, descartando el de los especiales SGID, SUID y STI (si se
desean éstos, fíltrese con 0), y los del tipo del fichero.
*/
printf(%#o\n, nodoi.st_mode 0777);
}
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RE: make zImage
as86 está en un paquete que se llama bin86 y creo que está en la seccion main/devel. -Mensaje original- De: José Valcarce Alonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: miércoles 20 de enero de 1999 9:13 Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Asunto: make zImage Hola amigos voay avanzando. Pero ahora me ocurre que al ejecutar make zImage despues de make menuconfig me da un error que es as86 -o - a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s make[1] as86: Command not found make[1]: ***[bootsect.o] Error 127 Con lo cual me he quedado parado pues necesito compilar el Kernel 2.0.36 para poder instalar XFree86. Un saludo, gracias. Pepe. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Tarjeta de video.
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:39:07AM +0100, Mig wrote: Voy a comprar una tarjeta de video, pero no se cual, quisiera que me recomendaran una que linux la soporte, no se si comprar una agp o una voodoo, el problema es que me dicen que para la voodoo necesito una tarjeta de video normal, tambien quisiera que me recomendaran marcas. Depende para que la quieras. Asi para uso doméstico lo mas aconsejable es una tarjeta coon el chip i740 de intel, y de la marca que más te guste. Sale por unas 6.000 ptas (36 Euros), y viene con 8 Mb de memoria. Tiene un refgresco de 85 Mhz, y la memoria va a 205 Mhz. En fin, bastante equilibrado. Ojo, que parece que presenta incompatibilidades con los AMD K6-2... (La gente de Vobis ha tenido problemas con los de 350 MHz, y yo mismo he sido testigo de problemas a la hora de instalar los controladores específicos de la tarjeta. También es cierto que era sobre W95...). ;-) -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make zImage
Yo, después de hacer make menuconfig, ejecuto make dep, después make clean y después make zImage. No sé si será este el problema. Saludos
Re: make zImage
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 04:47:20AM +0100, Antonio Angel Sanz Arróspide wrote: Yo, después de hacer make menuconfig, ejecuto make dep, después make clean y después make zImage. Pista: El paquete kernel-package es vuestro mejor amigo. -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make zImage
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Antonio Angel Sanz Arróspide wrote: Yo, después de hacer make menuconfig, ejecuto make dep, después make clean y después make zImage. No sé si será este el problema. Saludos -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Saludos, Ademas de usar 'make clean', antes de hacer nada prueba a hacer 'make mrproper', que eliminara enlaces, configuracion, etc del nucleo anterior. Melkor... Ah, has hecho los enlaces de /usr/src/linux/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h a /usr/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h ? Es importante hacerlo antes de ponerse a compilar.
Re: La memoria se me empeta
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Antonio Castro wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Javier_Vi=F1uales_Guti=E9rrez?= wrote: cuando llevo mucho rato trabajando por ejemplo con Netscape Navigator (que es con lo que lo he notado) la memoria se me llena y el sistema se vuelve terriblemente lento e incluso se me conjelan Netscape y las aplicaciones que tenga abierta y el sistema llega a veces incluso a expulsarme de la sesión X. ¿Pero qué otras aplicaciones tienes? ¿Sólo X-Window System, 1 ó 2 xterms, y el Notescape? ¿O tienes por ahí cipotecientas tres aplicaciones más? Porque lo que te pasa no es normal. Yo tengo un P133, 64 MB RAM y 32 de suapin y ejecuto Notescape, Xemacs y varias xterm y más cosillas sin problema ninguno. No se si la culpa es de un swap demasiado chico: 32 Mb de swap y 64Mb RAM. Temas de micro no creo que sean pues dispongo de un PII 400. Qué envidia :-P''' Tu swap es enana. Pon 150Mb de swap. Canastos, depende de lo que uses el sistema. Si tienes 144 usuarios simultáneamente, todos ejecutando X-Window con KDE, Notescape, XEmacs, etc., evidentemente es enana. Si estás tú solo ejecutando tres cosas y media, casi no te hace ni falta. A ver, ¿cómo se entiende, en Linux, que uno tiene 16 MB de RAM y 32 de suapin, y le funciona bien, y que cuando se amplía a 64 MB de RAM ya el suapin no le basta? ¡Tendrá que ir todo mejor, puesto que tiene más RAM! Otra cosa es que abuse mucho y le meta kaña al sistema aprovechando, y al final está en las mismas y tiene que ampliar a 128 MB. Ya se ha hablado en esta lista hace un tiempo del espacio de trasiego idóneo. Eso de de 2 a 3 veces la memoria RAM es... «muy relativo»; por no decir un rollo patatero. Al menos en Linux. En Solaris o Digital UNIX o HP/UX, etc., ya me callo. Si tienes varios discos reparte el espacio de swap de forma equiligrada para conseguir mayor eficiencia. Eso sí es cierto, pero muchas veces es un lujo (¿quién tiene dos discos, y además puede coger dos trozos para suapin?) en una máquina doméstica. Se que el tema es de emoria pues hoy cuando me dió el problema casualmente lanzaba un dpkg -l|grep xforms y la respuesta fue un. dpkg: malloc failed (65552 bytes): Cannot allocate memory Esto es la demostración de que no tienes suficiente memoria virtual. A ver si es que tienes un chip de memoria estropeado y no te reconoce toda la RAM que tienes. Porque te repito que eso no es normal. O un programa, quizá el propio Notescape, tiene un fallo oculto y está consumiendo memoria a ritmo exponencial. Si hago un top no observo falta de memoria, ¿qué puede estar pasando?. Si es falta de swap, ¿se puede ampliar sin tener que borrar todo y empezar desde cero?. Podrías probar a usar ficheros de trasiego (traducción de suapin), pero no creo que sea ése el problema. Si tienes espacio libre solo tienes que añadir particiones de tipo swap. Si no tienes espacio para nuevas particiones puedes ampliar la swap usando swap en un fichero normal aunque estas cosas solo las recomiendo como parche temporal para ir tirando. La swap debe ser lo más rápida posible y para ello lo suyo es usar particiones tipo swap. Eso, lo que yo decía; pero no creo que vaya la cosa por ahí. -- G. A. Gª - C.I.T.I. - S.I.C.Y.N.T.E. - Dpto. L.S.I. - U.C.A. --- Esta frase es shareware. Para registrarte mándame 1000 duros.
Re: Tarjetas AGP en Debian? Esto no lo encuentra ni lobaton
Yo tuve una, y la consegui poner con el servidor de framebuffer, si bien necestitas un kernel de los nuevos (2.1.x o 2.2.x) y activar el soporte de framebuffer que llevan las tarjetas VESA 2.0. El paquete no me acuerdo como se llamava, XFB* o algo asi. MadBit [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Jose Luis Trivino wrote: Hola, Alguien puede indicarme si existe un paquete debian con el servidor XFree para la tarjeta S3Trio 3D (AGP)? Si no existe para debian, existe este servidor en algun otro linux? Gracias, -- - Jose Luis Trivintilde;o Rodriguez LAB. 2.3.4 Tlf.: (95) 2132863 http://www.lcc.uma.es/personal/trivino/trivino.html - La medida de programar es programar sin medida -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: make zImage
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:29:09AM +, Melkor wrote: Ah, has hecho los enlaces de /usr/src/linux/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h a /usr/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h ? Es importante hacerlo antes de ponerse a compilar. ¡¡¡NO!!! Con Debian eso es totalmente innecesario. Lo de los enlaces es una práctica que puede dar lugar a errores, como ya ha sucedido en el pasado. (Más información en /usr/doc/kernel-source-*/README.headers.gz). Saludos, -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repartición con fips
Aunque es comercial, una utilidad que es genial e imprescindible para todos estos problemas de reparticonamiento es el Partition QMagic 4. Te permite cambiar el tamaño y mover particiones sin perder la información. MadBit [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Han Solo wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: De los ~600MB que tengo en la partición de w95 he dejado 399MB libres para reparticionar con fips. He pasado el defrag y reiniciado con el disquete que lleva fips.exe. Todo lo que me permitía eran unos 97MB para la nueva partición (yo pensaba en unos 350-360MB). Puede ser que no hayas hacho bien la defradmetación. Hay que hacerla completa, no sólo defragmentar el espacio libre. Yo reparticioné así mi disco y te aseguro que funciona. La solución pasa por desinstalar w95 y reparticionar a lo bruto... ¿hay algún problema con esto? Quiero decir con LILO (la partición de inicio, con el *, es la de Linux). No hace falta que seas tan drástico, comprueba lo que te decía. De todas maneras, no hay problema si borras todo y rehaces las particiones. Incluso se te puede olvidar instalar el windows ;-) -- Un Saludo Han Solo The Rebel Alliance Conecto, luego existo. Desconecto, luego insisto. Soy usuario de infobirria+ P.D. La firma no es mía, sino de uno que trabajaba, precisamente, en M$. Vivir para ver. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: make zImage
Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:29:09AM +, Melkor wrote: Ah, has hecho los enlaces de /usr/src/linux/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h a /usr/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h ? Es importante hacerlo antes de ponerse a compilar. ¡¡¡NO!!! Con Debian eso es totalmente innecesario. Lo de los enlaces es una práctica que puede dar lugar a errores, como ya ha sucedido en el pasado. (Más información en /usr/doc/kernel-source-*/README.headers.gz). ¡AH! Yo lo hice. ¿Qué me puede pasar? ¿Qué debo hacer para que quede como estaba? Porque al crear los enlaces borras los archivos originales. He estado reinstalando paquetes para ver si alguno lo dejaba como antes pero nada. Tampoco he notado nada raro... por ahora, pero no quiero notarlo en el futuro. Saludos David
Re: Tarjeta de video.
Enrique Zanardi el día Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:13:16AM + expuso lo siguiente: On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:39:07AM +0100, Mig wrote: Voy a comprar una tarjeta de video, pero no se cual, quisiera que me recomendaran una que linux la soporte, no se si comprar una agp o una voodoo, el problema es que me dicen que para la voodoo necesito una tarjeta de video normal, tambien quisiera que me recomendaran marcas. Depende para que la quieras. Asi para uso doméstico lo mas aconsejable es una tarjeta coon el chip i740 de intel, y de la marca que más te guste. Sale por unas 6.000 ptas (36 Euros), y viene con 8 Mb de memoria. Tiene un refgresco de 85 Mhz, y la memoria va a 205 Mhz. En fin, bastante equilibrado. Ojo, que parece que presenta incompatibilidades con los AMD K6-2... (La gente de Vobis ha tenido problemas con los de 350 MHz, y yo mismo he sido testigo de problemas a la hora de instalar los controladores específicos de la tarjeta. También es cierto que era sobre W95...). ;-) Pues yo he instalado un equipo estas navidades con un K6-2 a 350, y una i740 con 8Mb y chuta de maravilla... ¿Qué tipo de problemas dices que dan? -- Have a nice day ;-) Grupo AGUILA TooManySecretsHay gente que vive y merece morir, y gente que muere y merece vivir. ¿Puedes devolver la vida? Pues no te apresures a dispensarla, ya que ni el más sabio conoce el fin de todos los caminos Gandalf (The Lord of the Rings)
Swap mayor o está bien, ¿en qué quedamos?
Hola soy el de la memoria se me empeta y no se que hacer después de dos e-mails contradictorios en la lista, uno que me decía que la memoria era enana y otro que para un sistema monousuario doméstico era suficiente los 32 Mb de swap con 64Mb de RAM, Por favor, ¿podría alguien poner aclarar del todo este tema? relamente es algo que me preocupa pues XWindow se me va a tomar por cu.. pasado largo rato (del orden de cuatro o cinco horas) trabajando con Communicator 4.5 y poco más abierto (dos xterms, mutt y unas cuantas docks apps). Gracias. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make zImage
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:29:09AM +, Melkor wrote: Ah, has hecho los enlaces de /usr/src/linux/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h a /usr/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h ? Es importante hacerlo antes de ponerse a compilar. ¡¡¡NO!!! Con Debian eso es totalmente innecesario. Lo de los enlaces es una práctica que puede dar lugar a errores, como ya ha sucedido en el pasado. (Más información en /usr/doc/kernel-source-*/README.headers.gz). Saludos, -- Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Saludos, Vaya, pues eso no lo sabia. Mil gracias por el aviso. Por cierto, alguna alma caritativa dispone de un compilador Pascal decente? (para linux, naturalmente). Se lo pagare en bendiciones. Melkor...
Fax/Modem
Hola, Quisiera instalar un servidor de Fax para Linux. Alguien conoce alguno... En caso afirmativo, se puede asignar privilegios de envio y recepcion de los mismos. Y podria enviar el fax recivido o a enviar por mail Gracias. ;) /\_ \[EMAIL PROTECTED] \/_/\ \ _ __ ._. __ \ \ \ /\___ \ /\ \ /| |/\ \ __ \ \ \\/| __ \\ \ \|| |\ \ \ /\ \_\_\ \/\ \L\ \\ \ \| | \ \ \_\V/_ \ \__/\ \/ \ \___| \ \_\ d o o b \/_/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \\_// +-oo-oo-+ | CMA (Centro de Microelectronica Aplicada) | | U.L.P.G.C. | |Canary Islands | +---+
GNU Pascal compiler (era Re: make zImage)
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:47:11PM +, Melkor wrote: alguna alma caritativa dispone de un compilador Pascal decente? (para linux, naturalmente). Se lo pagare en bendiciones. No estoy seguro de si es decente ;-) pero exite el gpc (GNU Pascal Compiler). Del paquete gpc para Debian: Description: The GNU (egcs) Pascal compiler. This is the egcs version of the Pascal compiler, which compiles Pascal on platforms supported by the gcc compiler. It uses the gcc backend to generate optimized code. . The current beta release 2.2 implements Standard Pascal (ISO 7185, level 1), a large subset of Extended Pascal (ISO 10206), and Borland Pascal. Many Borland Pascal units supported. Saludos, -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xwindows en WIndows
Hola: Estoy intentando acceder desde Windows a Debian. Todo funciona correctamente. Y me estoy preguntando si hay algún programa que permita iniciar una sesión Xwindows... pero desde el propio Windows. Saludos David
Re: Xwindows en WIndows
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, David Charro Ripa wrote: Estoy intentando acceder desde Windows a Debian. Todo funciona correctamente. Y me estoy preguntando si hay algún programa que permita iniciar una sesión Xwindows... pero desde el propio Windows. El protocolo X de X Window System es independiente del hardware y sistema operativo, así que existe o puede existir para Unix, Windows, DOS, MacOS, Windows NT, VMS, etc. De manera que lo que tú buscas, aunque no lo sepas, es un servidor X-Window para MS-Windows. Buena noticia: existe. Y muchos. Mala noticia: la mayoría es de pago: eXceed, Reflection/X, eXcursion, ... Si hay alguno freeware o shareware, probablemente sea una versión demo capada, o algo así. Quizás otro compañero te pueda ayudar más en ese sentido. Otra opción que quizás te pueda interesar es VNC (Virtual Network Computer, creo), una aplicación cliente-servidor independiente del S.O. también, que te permite controlar un computador desde otro, en red. Instalas y lanzas el servidor en Debian (hay un paquete), instalas el cliente en Windows, y al ejecutarlo controlas el PC con Debian; ves su pantalla completa en una ventana Windows y controlas teclado y ratón, si quieres. O al revés: controlas el Windows desde la Debian. -- G. A. Gª - C.I.T.I. - S.I.C.Y.N.T.E. - Dpto. L.S.I. - U.C.A. --- Esto está codifi¥µ®@¶. Abónate y lo verás.
Re: Swap mayor o está bien, ¿en qué quedamos?
El Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:45:17PM +0100, Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez escribió: Hola soy el de la memoria se me empeta y no se que hacer después de dos e-mails contradictorios en la lista, uno que me decía que la memoria era enana y otro que para un sistema monousuario doméstico era suficiente los 32 Mb de swap con 64Mb de RAM, Por favor, ¿podría alguien poner aclarar del todo este tema? relamente es algo que me preocupa pues XWindow se me va a tomar por cu.. pasado largo rato (del orden de cuatro o cinco horas) trabajando con Communicator 4.5 y poco más abierto (dos xterms, mutt y unas cuantas docks apps). Gracias. Si puedes hacer una partición de swap más grande te lo recomiendo, pero el caso es que no deberías tener problemas, salvo que te hayas tropezado con un bug del Communicator. Lo que yo haria: 1. Verificar la memoria ram física. El el paquete 'hwtools' hay un programa que se llama memtest86 que te puede ser util. 2. Verificar la partición de Swap por si tienes sectores dañados. En ese caso reformatea con 'mkswap -c'. 3. Instalar una versión anterior del Communicator o el Navigator (el Navigator usa menos recursos, así que si no te hacen falta los extras te lo recomiendo). Saludos, -- = | Sergio Talens-Oliag, Systems Network Administrator.| | | | Instituto Valenciano de Investigaciones Agrarias (IVIA) | | Carretera Moncada - Naquera, Km. 4,5 Telf: +34 6 139 10 00 | | Apartado Oficial, 46113 Moncada (Valencia) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | SPAINhttp://www.ivia.es/~sto | =
Re: Tarjeta de video.
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:26:47AM +0100, TooManySecrets wrote: Pues yo he instalado un equipo estas navidades con un K6-2 a 350, y una i740 con 8Mb y chuta de maravilla... ¿Qué tipo de problemas dices que dan? Puede que sean específicos del Ruindous, o incluso de cierta versión del Ruindous... Al parecer, con esa misma configuración, al instalar el controlador de la i740 sobre un WIN95 OSR2 (con el parche para K6-2 350, y un monitor no-PnP) y resetear, aparecen todo tipo de rayas de colores en la pantalla, pero ni rastro del escritorio. Si uno se queda con el controlador SVGA genérico todo va bien. Si tu no has tenido ese problema dame una pista (en privado, para no aburrir al personal), que me gano un refresco. :-) Saludos, -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: =?ISO-8859-1?q?Swap_mayor_o_est=E1_bien,_=BFen_qu=E9_quedamos??=
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Ayuda con kernel 2.2.0
Hola, Acabo de instalar el kernel 2.2.0 pre8 (lo cual he conseguido sin muchos problemas). Tambien he actualizado las modutils a las 1.2.121 (las ultimas que he encontrado). El caso es que ahora el kernel no carga ningun modulo. Tecleo modprobe modulo y no me da ningun mensaje de error, pero al hacer cat /proc/modules no aparece nada y tampoco se ve ningun efecto de que el modulo haya sido cargado. Alguien podria indicarme como solucionar este problema? De camino, si alguien ha instalado el kernel 2.2.0 y tiene algun buen consejo estoy abierto a cualquier sugerencia. Saludos, -- - Jose Luis Trivintilde;o Rodriguez LAB. 2.3.4 Tlf.: (95) 2132863 http://www.lcc.uma.es/personal/trivino/trivino.html - La medida de programar es programar sin medida
Re: Ayuda con kernel 2.2.0
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Re: Ayuda con kernel 2.2.0
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:28:58PM +0100, Jose Luis Trivino wrote: Acabo de instalar el kernel 2.2.0 pre8 (lo cual he conseguido sin muchos problemas). Tambien he actualizado las modutils a las 1.2.121 (las ultimas que he encontrado). El caso es que ahora el kernel no carga ningun modulo. Tecleo modprobe modulo y no me da ningun mensaje de error, pero al hacer cat /proc/modules no aparece nada y tampoco se ve ningun efecto de que el modulo haya sido cargado. Ah... odio decir esto porque me van a linchar, pero... Instala (ponle http://debian.midco.net/debian/ en frente si no sabes de un mirror cercano a ti): dists/potato/main/binary-i386/misc/kernel-package_6.02.deb dists/potato/main/binary-i386/base/modutils_2.1.121-13.deb dists/potato/main/binary-i386/base/sysvinit_2.76-3.deb dists/potato/main/binary-i386/base/debianutils_1.10.deb es posible que no necesites debianutils 1.10 (con algo = que 1.6 sería suficiente, pero el paquete es pequeño). Esa version de kernel-pakcage si la necesitas, y SI necesitas esa version de sysvinit (o algo muy cercano) Una vez que has instalado todo eso (debianutils, sysvinit, modutils y kernel-pacakge, en ese orden) necesitarás cambiar un poco el archivo de configuración de los módulos (documentado en /usr/doc/modutils, si necesitas ayuda pregunta) Luego de eso: $ mkdir /usr/local/src $ cd /usr/local/src $ mv los archivos del kernel con sus parches . $ tar xvIf linux-2.2.0-pre8.tar.bz2 # o el que tengas y aplicas los parches $ cd linux $ make menuconfig # para esto necesitas libncursesalgo-dev configuras el kernel $ make-kpkg --revision 2.2.0.pre8.1 kernel_image esperas $ cd .. $ dpkg -i kernel-image-2.2.0-pre8-i586_2.2.0.pre8.1_i386.deb contesta preguntas Ya. Funciona para mi. Marcelo
Re: Xwindows en WIndows
Estoy intentando acceder desde Windows a Debian. Todo funciona correctamente. Y me estoy preguntando si hay algún programa que permita iniciar una sesión Xwindows... pero desde el propio Windows. El protocolo X de X Window System es independiente del hardware y sistema operativo, así que existe o puede existir para Unix, Windows, DOS, MacOS, Windows NT, VMS, etc. De manera que lo que tú buscas, aunque no lo sepas, es un servidor X-Window para MS-Windows. Servidor de X-Window para W95/W98/NT Freeware : http://tucows.uam.es/files2/mix.zip Se llama Mi/X de Microimages y funciona relativamente bien. Se parece mas a un port de un servidor X de unix a NT que a una autentica aplicación de NT. __ / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /la oportunidad de -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ dominar tu ordenador __ | | |Miguel Pérez Colino | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | http://www2.adi.uam.es/~migpc | |__|
Gnome debs
Hola, ¿hay algún FTP por ahí con debs que tengan el GNOME 0.99.3 o 4? Saludos, José Miguel Gurpegui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make zImage
José Valcarce Alonso wrote: Hola amigos voay avanzando. Pero ahora me ocurre que al ejecutar make zImage despues de make menuconfig me da un error que es as86 -o - a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s make[1] as86: Command not found make[1]: ***[bootsect.o] Error 127 ... En los mirrors de debian, en: .../debian/dists/hamm viene un archivo muy útil para estos caso, se llama Contents-i386 (o Contents-i386.gz) que tiene todos los archivos de la distribución *instalada* y los paquetes de donde provienen. En este caso uno haría: grep as86 Contents-i386 y lo que se obtiene es: usr/bin/as86 devel/bin86 usr/doc/bin86/examples/as86_encap devel/bin86 usr/man/man1/as86.1.gz devel/bin86 La línea que interesa es la primera, que indica que el usr/bin/as86 se puede conseguir instalando el paquete bin86 de la sección devel. A propósito, el Contents-i386 no debería venir también en los CD's? En los mios no está (Official Debian de Linux Central). -- Saludos, O__ Enzo.,/ ()=\() Enzo A. Dari | Instituto Balseiro / Centro Atomico Bariloche 8400-San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 54-944-45208, 54-944-45100 Fax: 54-944-45299 Web page: http://cabmec1.cnea.edu.ar/darie/darie.htm
Re: Swap mayor o está bien, ¿en qué quedamos?
avier Vinuales: Olvidate de tu swap , yo tengo una pentium 133 Mhz con 32 Mb de Ram y 24 Mb swap y me trabaja bien el netscape 4.07 con afterstep tiene que revisar que procesos tiene activos que distribucion usas , tiene que decir que decir que es lo que tiene en la memoria , demonios , ambiente grafico , etc ,etc ,etc asi con toda esa informacion : nuestras oficinas de atencion pueden atenderte mucho mas eficente Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez wrote: Hola soy el de la memoria se me empeta y no se que hacer después de dos e-mails contradictorios en la lista, uno que me decía que la memoria era enana y otro que para un sistema monousuario doméstico era suficiente los 32 Mb de swap con 64Mb de RAM, Por favor, ¿podría alguien poner aclarar del todo este tema? relamente es algo que me preocupa pues XWindow se me va a tomar por cu.. pasado largo rato (del orden de cuatro o cinco horas) trabajando con Communicator 4.5 y poco más abierto (dos xterms, mutt y unas cuantas docks apps). Gracias. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: make zImage
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, David Charro Ripa wrote: Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:29:09AM +, Melkor wrote: Ah, has hecho los enlaces de /usr/src/linux/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h a /usr/include/linux.h asm.h scsi.h ? Es importante hacerlo antes de ponerse a compilar. ¡¡¡NO!!! Con Debian eso es totalmente innecesario. Lo de los enlaces es una práctica que puede dar lugar a errores, como ya ha sucedido en el pasado. (Más información en /usr/doc/kernel-source-*/README.headers.gz). ¡AH! Yo lo hice. ¿Qué me puede pasar? ¿Qué debo hacer para que quede como estaba? Para que quede como estaba: * Borra los enlaces que hayas hecho. * Crea directorios vacíos en su lugar. * Reinstala libc6-dev. ( Por cierto: No solamente con Debian ha sido siempre innecesario lo de los enlaces sino que ahora el hecho de ser innecesarios es una de las características de glibc, es decir, el tiempo ha acabado dándonos la razón :-) -- a24ad2af523d24f7dafa721761b3d261 (a truly random sig)
Tarjeta de video.
Podrian decirme cuales son las tarjetas ATI y si las intel 740 son PCI o AGP, y que tal funcionan las voodoo2 con debian, la computadora es un AMD k6-2 350 mhz.
Problemas con unidad zip
Hola a todos, esta vez escribo a la lista para comentar un problema que tengo en Debian 2.0 con una unidad zip interna IDE. El problema en cuestion es que no puedo montar la unidad porque me pone que no reconoce el sistema de ficheros del zip. Cuando carga linux asocia a la unidad zip el /dev/hdb, y yo para montarlo pongo lo siguiente: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /zip y me dice que el sistema de archivos no es correcto. Ademas he creado el directorio zip y he probado tambien con el sistema de archivos msdos pero tampoco funciona. Podriais echarme una mano. Manolo.
Re: Problemas con unidad zip
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Manuel Jerez Cssrdenes wrote: esta vez escribo a la lista para comentar un problema que tengo en Debian 2.0 con una unidad zip interna IDE. El problema en cuestion es que no puedo montar la unidad porque me pone que no reconoce el sistema de ficheros del zip. Cuando carga linux asocia a la unidad zip el /dev/hdb, y yo para montarlo pongo lo siguiente: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /zip Prueba con /dev/hdb4 -- 79b647607e8900c788e83b6eaec0f9d1 (a truly random sig)
Re: valor octal de los permisos
Javier Fdz-Sanguino Pen~a wrote:
Un script podría hacer algo así... a ver lo estoy probando... sí:
(me ha llevado un ratillo...)
#!/usr/bin/perl
while (STDIN)
{
$total=0;
$orden=1;
chomp;
$linea=$_;
while ( $trozo=substr($linea,-3)){
print My trozo es $trozo\n;
if ($trozo =~/^r../) { $total=$total+4*$orden; }
if ($trozo =~/^.w./) { $total=$total+2*$orden; }
if ($trozo =~/^..x/) { $total=$total+1*$orden; }
# Le quitamos el trozo
$linea=substr($linea,0,-3); $orden=$orden*10;
}
print El permiso vale en octal: $total\n;
}
exit 0;
Muchas gracias por el script. Aunque buscaba algún paquete de Debian o
un script (del estilo al que dices), de modo que al programa le
pasaríamos como argumento el archivo y la respuesta sería el valor octal
de dicho archivo. Venía haciendo esto de cabeza, aunque es cierto que
con el script que propones es mucho más rápido, pero no permite pasar el
nombre del archivo como argumento. Supongo que sería muy fácil retocar
un poquito el script para que lo hiciera, pero yo de perl...
O sea, que hay por ahí algún programa que ya lo hace o se retoca tu
script.
sugerencias?
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Re: Repartición con fips
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ¿Cómo se copia una imagen de los discos de instalación de Slackware desde Debian? supongo que te referirás a esto: $ dd if=archivo of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 conv=sync ; sync -- Vicente Barba [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Albacete [ES] 100% LiNUX: http://personal1.iddeo.es/ret003u7 Debian GNU/Linux -- Usuario Registrado # 90822
Re: Red de Linux
El 15 de enero de 1999 a las 14:58, Andres Herrera escribió: Luego no puede ser una ip, sino el dominio del propio equipo. No necesariamente. Es un dominio con el que se tratan de completar los nombres que no puedan ser resueltos. Por ejemplo, si yo tengo... search iddeo.es entonces si hago ping news, primero se intentará el host news, y si no se encuentra, se intentará el host news.iddeo.es. De todas formas, viene todo en man resolv.conf (y perdon por el RTFM ;) Un saludo. -- Ismael Valladolid Torres Rubens 26, 1ºA, Móstoles 28933 MADRID (SPAIN) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Presentación y preguntas
El 15 de enero de 1999 a las 00:59, Han Solo escribió: 1.-He sido incapaz de instalar emacs (¿?) Hay tres paquetes que dan un error. Llega a descomprimirlos, pero no es capaz de configurarlos. Son emacs20, emacs20-el y w3-el [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ dpkg -l emacs* | grep ^ii ii emacs-lisp-intr 1.05-2 Programming in Emacs Lisp: An Introduction ii emacs20 20.2-7 The GNU Emacs editor. ii emacs20-el 20.2-7 GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files. ii emacsen-common 1.4.6 Common facilities for all emacsen. Me da en la nariz que te falta este último paquete (emacsen-common). Instálalo y haz dpkg --pending --configure, a ver. Suerte y un saludo. -- Ismael Valladolid Torres Rubens 26, 1ºA, Móstoles 28933 MADRID (SPAIN) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows en WIndows
El mié, 20 ene 1999, David Charro Ripa escribió: Hola: Estoy intentando acceder desde Windows a Debian. Todo funciona correctamente. Y me estoy preguntando si hay algún programa que permita iniciar una sesión Xwindows... pero desde el propio Windows. yo tengo un programita para windoüs que es una especie de servidor x para poder tener graficos svga en una sesion telnet y poder usar programas de X-window bajo windows, el problema es que solo dura un mes, es una demo que me baje de intesne, si te interesa te pasare la güeb pa cojerlo ok? == [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manuel Fonseca --Grupo Aguila (esto no sera como la falange no?) por que cuando pongo startx me sale can not connect to xserver? ==
Has Hamm's XF86config been improved?
Been playing with X lately, (Hamm Debian), and noticed that XF86config is rough around the edges. That is, if you run it twice, it doesn't offer what you typed in the last time as a default, let alone have menus or other conveniences. Some of which stuff shouldn't require anything that hard to fix, (in theory!), so I was thinking, hey, maybe I can do some of this. On the other hand it might be possible that somebody has already done that for Slink or some future release, and there might be no need to reinvent the wheel. So, anyone know if Slink or later versions have significantly improved XF86config? Or what mailing lists or newsgroups might be the center of such activity?
Re: Debian goes big business?
Shawn writes: I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller of Debian products. Such a business could focus on pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user support. I would think a very successful business could be built on such a model, and there would be no necessary control flowing either way between said business and the Debian organization. The Debian community would control the software, such a business (and there could be many of them) would control its own marketing, packaging, support program, etc. Exactly! This is just the sort of company I would love to participate in. How about the following variation on the theme? Rather than starting a for-profit business as a value-added seller of Debian products, why not start a not-for-profit, user centred, association that does the same job? It would work a bit like an automobile association. Users would join by paying a membership fee. It would be run by a board elected by the members - one vote per member. Membership fees and other income would be used to pay employees who do the work. Earlier posts have suggested that Debian itself could be turned into such an association, but I don't believe that would be in Debian's best interests. I believe Debian should remain a developer controlled, entirely volunteer, organization. A flaw with the status quo however, is that there is no mechanism to ensure that the needs of users are looked after. This is where a separate Debian User Association could fill the gap. Well actually, the gap isn't all that large, because fortunately debian users are looked after quite well at the moment. But perhaps a user association could do even better, as well as taking over some of the user assistance work that developers currently do, freeing them up to concentrate more on development. The Debian User Association (DUA) would be separate from Debian, but the two would obviously wish to cooperate closely with each other. DUA would concentrate on user issues --- value adding to the distribution in user-centred ways. It would provide user support to members --- perhaps produce regular publications that deal with frequent user issues. It would also be heavily involved in marketing. There is one big advantage of this structure over a for-profit Debian business in that, I believe, current (and future) debian users would be more enthusiastic about signing up. With a business, the profits would go to the owners, where as with the DUA, the aim of the organisation would be to serve its members. A DUA would provide a mechanism for improved user support and marketability. It would provide a mechanism for paid workers, without damaging Debian's volunteer developer model. It would be a means for promoting Debian, in keeping with the Debian spirit. Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: SCSI Hard Drive Questions
On 19 Jan 99 04:30:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/99 at 12:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Wilderspin) said: [...] It's pointless spending much extra money for SCSI, let alone Ultra2 Wide SCSI, on a single-user desktop machine. SCSI becomes very useful when you've got more than half-a-dozen users or a busy website running on the machine [...] Or if one's work involves very heavy I/O (several Gb's/file) on top of heavy, constant fp calculations ... :) You forgot and if one needs more than three or four drives connected. :-) Rob Wilderspin -- But I need it to crash once every few days - reboots are the only chance I get to sleep... --= (send replies to rob@)
Re: Mutt and Mailboxes
On 19 Jan 99 06:21:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen M Lavelle) wrote: I am using Mutt to read my email fetched from my ISP I understand how to move a message to another mailbox by pressing You pressed it too soon! Rob Wilderspin -- But I need it to crash once every few days - reboots are the only chance I get to sleep... --= (send replies to rob@)
Re: Quake2 nVidia TNT
On 18 Jan 99 22:30:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They recently helped a Xfree driver come into existance, so the tide is turning. Yes, but as we all know, it's not really open source, since the code is 'processed' to be unreadable. The TNT driver won't stay in future versions of Xfree unless they release real open source code. Which I believe they have now done as of the latest Xfree86 release. Could've sworn I read that... Rob Wilderspin -- But I need it to crash once every few days - reboots are the only chance I get to sleep... --= (send replies to rob@)
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
On 19 Jan 99 07:17:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Phillips) wrote: I've just installed the slink version of apt-get. Am I right in thinking that to upgrade to slink, I should run: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade Yep. Is this at all dangerous? Slink hasn't been released officially, so there is a small element of risk involved. It's more likely that a couple of packages may be awkward to install than anything serious though. What happens if my ppp link dies in the middle? apt-get will pick up the download when you re-connect, keeping downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives with partial downloads in [...]/partial. It doesn't install a thing until it's downloaded the lot, so make sure you have enough disk space. Rob Wilderspin -- But I need it to crash once every few days - reboots are the only chance I get to sleep... --= (send replies to rob@)
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]
You're proposing this for Red Hat. That's fine, I'm proposing a similar model for Debian. Maybe the membership idea is a good idea, maybe it isn't. I can see some advantages, but I can also see some drawbacks. The key is to get these ideas out on the table. We'll never know until we try. As for what you said about two classes of developers, that doesn't make any sense. If developers are willing to work for free now, why wouldn't they be able to work for free if some of the core group are getting paid? I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it. Sure, it's a good idea to talk about different ideas. As for the paid/un-paid developers issue... I know of organizations which have had this structure. Where I live, the ambulance association used to have half paid, half volunteer, ambulance workers. This worked okay for a while, but eventually they had to abandon the structure, getting rid of the volunteer drivers. Unfortunately problems arose between the two groups. The paid people became frustrated with the volunteers because the latter weren't nearly as skilled --- the paid people obviously spent much more time at it, and had to be good otherwise they'd lose their job. In turn the volunteers became frustrated with the paid people. As volunteers they believed they should have some rights and say in how things were run. The paid people believed they should say how things were run, as they were more skilled and spent more time doing it. As you can see, this is an environment ripe for arguments and disputes. There would be a real danger that similar problems would occur if Debian followed this model. I'm not saying it's impossible to have both paid staff and volunteers, but if you do, you need to be very careful how you do it. I suggest the best way would be to have a separate Debian User Association with paid staff, as I have outlined in a recent email. Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V99 #97
frederic, not sure, but check out the mtx utility. it will move the robotic mechanism on DDS autoloaders. its available in the debian distribution, or alternatively from: http://www.dandelion.com/Linux/mtx-1.1.tar.gz hope this helps a little, //daryl Been a while since I've been around on this list, however things have progressed. I have successfully installed two older Compaq EISA Pentium 90 machines, each wtih 4 gigs of space, and 128MB of RAM, all of which are visible to the respective machines. On the first machine, I have mounted two 7-changer CDROMs which seem to work just dandy, and the second machine, has an ADIC 4mm Virtual Library. The two Sony 4mm DATs inside are visable, and I successfully did a backup, by moving the robot arm out of the way, inserting a tape, performing a backup with TAR per the how-to's, then eject. My question is as follows: Does anyone know of a piece of software, driver, or something that enables the robot arm to move? I have the documentation somewhere, so if I could just send SCSI commands, I could use a script scheduled by CRON to achieve what I'm trying to do. -- Daryl Williams Network Administrator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ShareWave, Inc. Phone: 916-939-9400 x3212 5175 Hillsdale Circle Fax: 916-939-9434 El Dorado Hills, CA. 95762Web: http://www.sharewave.com
Apt vs mirror
I remember the discussion of apt vs mirror some time ago. I seem to remeber somebody mentioning that they use apt to download packages that they need and then run a script that will move packages from apt cache to the mirror tree. For some reason I couldn't find that discussion in the archive. Anybody still has the script? -- = === mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = http://physlab.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~stalex |__ Alexander Stavitsky
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Deb...
I guess I'm not getting the point of going coporate with Debian. As far as this discussion has gone, the only benefit in forming a corporation would be distribution/marketing. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Debian programmers tend to do more upgrading and enhancing than other dists. Further, the support seems to be far superior with Debian. What is the big problem with Debian distribution now? Each dist. offers different methods of doing the same thing - I kind of like the fact that there is a user oriented organization. If you want to go the corporate route, get Red Hat. If not, stick with Debian. What's the problem?
Re: gcc vs egcs
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 02:49:17PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:58:29 -0700 (MST), Jason Gunthorpe wrote: for our gcc because nobody has patched the 2.0 kernels to work with another gcc. Do the 2.2 kernels compile with egcs? As of somewhere in the 2.1 series Linux kernels should work with egcs. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpUMmh86hqZE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Email server setup/configuration
[ Please CC all replies to me, as I don't read the list as often as I should! ] Hi, I am looking at moving our email server from NT to linux. At the moment it performs the following tasks: 1/ Monitors a series of virtual domains (ie abc.com nowhere.com.au ...) for which there are user alias that redirect to accounts elsewhere (ie [EMAIL PROTECTED] might go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). All these domains have their main mx as the server in question. Note, however, that their may be two info users in different virtual domains. 2/ Maintains a list server for different lists under the virtual domains (ie. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - this can be changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] though. I would like to add support for subscription confirmation etc (just like lists.debian.org does). 3/ Is the main mx for some domains, but routes the mail to a different mail server after reciept. 4/ Forwards mail for the local domain to an NT exchange server, but I would like it to first check /etc/aliases so that linux users (like me) can have their mail delivered locally on the machine (so I don't have to use exchange). What I would like to know is: a) Can this all be done? b) Can it be done easily or no? c) What is the best mail-delivery-agent for this job? d) What is the best list server (what does debian use)? e) Can anyone give me some pointers for setting these things up? I really, really, really appreciate any help/advice - I love using linux and I really don't want to have to stick with NT. Best regards to you all, Chris Leishman -- -- The box said Windows 95, NT or better .. so I installed Debian Linux -- Reply with subject 'request key' for PGP public key. KeyID 0xA9E087D5
Debian 1.3.1 PPP connection problems
Hello,
I can not connect to my ISP with linux, can anyone help me?
Right now I connect through windows 3.1 trumped winsock, my IP is
dynamically given to me, and I use PPP.
I am trying to get diald and PPPD to do the same under linux (Debian 1.3.1).
here are some of my config and log files:
diald.log:
Tue Jan 19 19:26:03 1999 EST: Calling site 192.168.0.2.
Tue Jan 19 19:26:26 1999 EST: Connected to site 192.168.0.2.
Tue Jan 19 19:26:58 1999 EST: Disconnected. Call duration 32 seconds.
IP transmitted 176 bytes and received 0 bytes.
ppp.log:
Jan 19 19:23:05 Zeek diald[104]: FIFO: full monitor connection to monitor
/tmp/dctrl.195-1 requested
Jan 19 19:26:04 Zeek diald[104]: Running connect (pid = 203).
Jan 19 19:26:05 Zeek connect: Initializing Modem
Jan 19 19:26:05 Zeek connect: Dialing system
Jan 19 19:26:25 Zeek connect: Connected
Jan 19 19:26:25 Zeek connect: Loggin in
Jan 19 19:26:26 Zeek connect: Protocol started
Jan 19 19:26:26 Zeek diald[104]: Running pppd (pid = 212).
Jan 19 19:26:26 Zeek diald[212]: Running pppd: /usr/sbin/pppd -detach modem
crtscts mtu 1500 mru 1500
Jan 19 19:26:26 Zeek pppd[212]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Jan 19 19:26:26 Zeek pppd[212]: Using interface ppp0
Jan 19 19:26:26 Zeek pppd[212]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1
Jan 19 19:26:56 Zeek pppd[212]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Jan 19 19:26:56 Zeek pppd[212]: Connection terminated.
Jan 19 19:26:56 Zeek pppd[212]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
Jan 19 19:26:56 Zeek pppd[212]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Jan 19 19:26:56 Zeek pppd[212]: Exit.
Jan 19 19:26:59 Zeek diald[104]: Delaying 30 seconds before clear to dial.
Jan 19 19:27:37 Zeek diald[104]: SIGHUP: modem got hung up on.
diald.options:
mode ppp
accounting-log /var/log/diald.log
fifo /var/run/diald.fifo
connect /etc/diald/connect
device /dev/ttyS1
speed 115200
modem
lock
crtscts
local 192.168.0.1
remote 192.168.0.2
dynamic
defaultroute
include /etc/diald/standard.filter
diald's connect file( password, modem init, etc all clipped, all of that
works)
PROTOCOL_START=ppp
START_ACK=Entering PPP mode.
# Pass a message on to diald and the system logs.
function message () {
[ $FIFO ] echo message $* $FIFO
logger -p local2.info -t connect $*
}
*** cut the dialing loop login stuff from here too, it works***
# We logged in, try to start up the protocol (provided that the
# user has specified how to do this)
if [ $PROMPT ]; then
message Starting Comm Protocol
chat TIMEOUT 15 $PROMPT $PROTOCOL_START
if [ $? != 0 ]; then
message Prompt not received
exit 1
fi
fi
if [ $START_ACK ]; then
chat TIMEOUT 15 $START_ACK
if [ $? != 0 ]; then
message Failed to start Protocol
exit 1
fi
fi
# Success!
message Protocol started
The options that are activated in my PPPD options file are:
asyncmap 0
lcp-echo-interval 30
lcp-echo-failure 4
here's what I see when running dctrl from X:
says interface fromtoin state down
I go to a terminal, startup a telnet (to a server at school)
dctrl says interface fromtoin state connect
dctrl saysinterface fromtoin state start_link
then it says interface sl0 from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2 in state
Disconnect
then switches to interface sl0 from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2 in state
Close
finally goes to interface sl0 from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.2 in state Down
(first time I went through this the modem hungup at this point, second time
the modem stays online so I forced a quit then ran minicom to hang up the
modem)
If this is any help since windows/winsock can connect, I made Trumped
winsock do a trace on PPP and got the following:
GW-Sacoppp
PPP mode selected. Will try to negotiate IP address.
Script completed
PPP ENABLED
PPP[C021] SND CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=24 MRU(05DC) ACCM() MAGIC(004CF61F)
PFC ACFC
PPP[C021] state = reqsent
PPP frame check error, 17
PPP frame check error, 26
PPP[C021] SND CONFREQ ID=03 LEN=24 MRU(05DC) ACCM() MAGIC(004D026F)
PFC ACFC
PPP[C021] RCV CONFACK ID=03 LEN=24 MRU(05DC) ACCM() MAGIC(004D026F)
PFC ACFC
PPP[C021] state = ackrcvd
PPP[C021] RCV CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=20 ACCM(000A) MAGIC(D8706B96) PFC ACFC
PPP[C021] SND CONFACK ID=02 LEN=20 ACCM(000A) MAGIC(D8706B96) PFC ACFC
PPP[C021] state = opened
PPP[8021] SND CONFREQ ID=01 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F01) IPADDR(826F8D67)
PPP[8021] state = reqsent
PPP[8021] RCV CONFREQ ID=01 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F00) IPADDR(826F8D01)
PPP[8021] SND CONFACK ID=01 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F00) IPADDR(826F8D01)
PPP[8021] state = acksent
PPP[8021] RCV CONFNAK ID=01 LEN=10 IPADDR(826F8D66)
My IP address = 130.111.141.102
PPP[8021] SND CONFREQ ID=02 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F01) IPADDR(826F8D66)
PPP[8021] RCV CONFACK ID=02 LEN=16 IPCP(002D0F01) IPADDR(826F8D66)
PPP[8021] state = opened
I am sorry if this mail is too long I cut out what I thought I could, I
don't know all that much of the inner working's of PPP, even though I have
been throught the man pages,
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Deb...
I guess I'm not getting the point of going coporate with Debian. As far as this discussion has gone, the only benefit in forming a corporation would be distribution/marketing. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Debian programmers tend to do more upgrading and enhancing than other dists. Further, the support seems to be far superior with Debian. What is the big problem with Debian distribution now? Each dist. offers different methods of doing the same thing - I kind of like the fact that there is a user oriented organization. If you want to go the corporate route, get Red Hat. If not, stick with Debian. What's the problem? As far as I'm concerned, the problem is that I see that the Debian dist, a great one (if not the greatest) for technical and ethical reasons, cannot face the publicity and marketing power of commercial linuxes. Because of that, it will lose 'market share' in front of commercial linuxes, causing interest in Debian to slowly fade away. And that will force it to become less and less developed, as compared to the others dists, and I'll lose the dist I prefer. But as the discussion evolves, I'm more and more thinking that going for-profit dist will simply kill the essential spirit of Debian. Christian Lavoie -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian goes big business?
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: How about the following variation on the theme? Rather than starting a for-profit business as a value-added seller of Debian products, why not start a not-for-profit, user centred, association that does the same job? It would work a bit like an automobile association. Users would join by paying a membership fee. It would be run by a board elected by the members - one vote per member. Membership fees and other income would be used to pay employees who do the work. How about an ISP that in addition to user support etc also does some real technical training in Linux admin and C programming. An Internet Service Provider, that is a school and user club and Linux/Debian advocate. Where else could youth go to gget real technical training; the High Schools don't teach any thing techncial and probably couldn't do a good job of it anyway. The ISP's won't teach squat to their clients, scared they might give away some secret of the trade and have more competition. There must be some potential in this idea. What about a network of mutually supportive organizations that have some real local (geographically)presence. No one else is doeing this. What a great way to expand the technical user base and recruit youth and build the Internet at the same time. Or am I dreaming to much? -steve
Re: Debian goes big business?
DISCLAIMER: These are notes, and can have technical impossibilites (especially concerning '.deb'ianizing of StarOffice) Ok, here's the sum up: - Debian will lose its spirit if it goes itself for-profit. - A for-profit corporation based on Debian itself will eventually try to influence/own it. (Consequences: See previous comment) Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled. To preserve a kind of user support, we should create a DUA, which would have to do some/all of the following: - Provide single user free of charge support through internet. (email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever) - Provide corporate support, at a cost (cause they think it's better to pay it anyway), with the usual things sucha thing includes (on-site, 24 hours a day, programmation capable team to adapt a product) - Work head-to-head against RedHat/Caldera/SuSE for publicity on Debian and promoting .deb packaging of things like StarOffice/WordPerfect - Certification of technicians proficient in installing Debian/scripting and maintaining of a Debian system. - Be rentable, so it can re-invest back in publicity. - Cannot influence Debian developers more than the Debian users it deserves would influence it. (Meaning, you don't pay programmers, but you can kindly ask them for a bugfixe/feature ;P ) Bottom line: Co-operative society/stores based on users, democratic voting, no shareholding, all votes equals. On a side note, if a user-based co-operative society forms, would a developer-based society of the same kind be appreciated? It could for an example provide acquisition of patents (basically, to GPLized them) and work to allow developers for better recognition, allow to access better resources (like an equivalent to a membership to W3C, or other reserved to corporation bodies thingies.) and tries to augment developer communication and tries to 'enforce' major headings of the dist. (Like, say, we're switching to libc7) Christian Lavoie
Re: installation problems
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:56:06PM +0800, Brett Molinari wrote: I am trying to install debian on a 386 with 8 meg of ram with floppies. I am getting the following messages before the machine hangs: - boot: loading root.bin... parity check1 Assumung it was a memory problem I removed 4 meg at a time and tried a lowmem installation with the same result. I would greatly appreciate any help offered as I would really like to try out this os. You removed 4 megs at a time...? Meaning you tried each memory module individually? Hmm. If you try both SIMMs and get this result, you either have a problem with the hardware (memory controller cooked, maybe), or you've stumbled across a bizarre problem with the boot loader. It's unlikely that both your SIMMs are bad in exactly the same fashion. Another possibility occured to me; if you haven't used this RAM in that motherboard before, but know the SIMMs are good on another box, perhaps you're using SIMMs with logic parity (fake parity) or no parity at all in a motherboard that demands true-blue parity RAM. I remember a few years back, 1993 or '94 or so, we had machines getting parity errors all the time. If this system is about that age, it may be falling victim to the changes that occurred in the memory industry in those days. Is the machine able to boot some other OS successfully? -- G. Branden Robinson | There is no gravity in space. Debian GNU/Linux | Then how could astronauts walk around [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on the Moon? cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | Because they were wearing heavy boots. pgpGBra9YQqhm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian goes big business?
To preserve a kind of user support, we should create a DUA, which would have to do some/all of the following: - Provide single user free of charge support through internet. (email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever) - Provide corporate support, at a cost (cause they think it's better to pay it anyway), with the usual things sucha thing includes (on-site, 24 hours a day, programmation capable team to adapt a product) - Work head-to-head against RedHat/Caldera/SuSE for publicity on Debian and promoting .deb packaging of things like StarOffice/WordPerfect - Certification of technicians proficient in installing Debian/scripting and maintaining of a Debian system. - Be rentable, so it can re-invest back in publicity. - Cannot influence Debian developers more than the Debian users it deserves would influence it. (Meaning, you don't pay programmers, but you can kindly ask them for a bugfixe/feature ;P ) Sorry replying to my own post, but how about the following: - Paying guys to maintain deb packages, package unpackaged software? High-school/college students would appreciate a lot, IMHO. Although not highly rewarding, it does include some technical knowledge, and proves some proficiency in compiling and ocnfiguration of Debian systems. Christian Lavoie
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
Rafael Kitover wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 05:47:49PM +1030, Mark Phillips wrote: Hi, I've just installed the slink version of apt-get. Am I right in thinking that to upgrade to slink, I should run: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade snip What happens if my ppp link dies in the middle? apt handles these things very gracefully, and will pick up where it left off last time. This is true, but it can go wrong. This happened to me, and apt did resume and finish - but the package that it was getting when the ppp link was severed got corrupted (or incomplete download). All other packages were ok, but this was the cause of much sorrow when the corrupt package disabled the package system until it was removed by hand and reference to it removed from the package database. If you use a static ip this probably won't happen to you, but if you use dynamic ip, beware. -Ben
Win98 and Debian
Hiyas. I'm pretty much new to Debian and Linux in general. I'm going to be getting a copy of Debian 2.0 in the next few days on CD, so basically what I want to do is install it on my main machine on another drive. I have a 6.4 gig running windows 98 on FAT32, and a spare 1.2 gig which I want to put Linux on. I pretty much want to be able to run the two without them conflicting with each other, and maybe even working together. I hope to have it running this way at least until I get more familiar with Linux, and then maybe I'll go straight Linux System Specs: PII 300 64 Meg PC100 SDRAM 6.4 gig and 1.2 gig IDE HDD 32X IDE CDROM Trident 9680 2mb PCI Video card Dunno if any of that is relevant, but thanks none the less :) - Shaun Greene
Re: Win98 and Debian
Well, then during the installation, you can enable LILO which will makeyour system dual-booted, and you will be able to select at the prompt which OS to boot. You should have no problem in Win-Linux interactivity...they will not interact at all, but you can mount and read/write to the windows partition (basicly, access the files on your C drive, just not execute them). However, thats not possible when working in Windows ( to access Linux files) Andrew Never include a comment that will help | Andrew Ivanov someone else understand your code. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they understand it, they don't | ICQ: 12402354 need you. |
IP Masquerading Netscape
I am looking for some help on IP Masquerading. I'm running mostly slink with some hamm left over that I haven't gotten around to upgrading. I went through the mini-HOWTO and configured my kernel all fine, when I go to use a winsock application on my win3.1 machine (connected by ether), I have no problems except in netscape 3.01gold and ie 3.02 (though I don't care at all about ie). This is running the MSLanman 2.2c winsock (for samba). For some reason, netscape can resolve DNS names, but not connect to the hosts (FTP or HTTP) while opera can do both, and WS_FTP has no problems. When I installed SOCKS4 for debugging purposes, and configured netscape, suddenly it could contact hosts and bring back sites and dir listings, but with some problems. if I give it an IP then it has no problems unless there is an inline to another domain in the html document, in which case it doesn't bring back that image (registers as broken), when I give it a domain name, it resolves, contacts the server, then stops at waiting for reply. I'm not too sure what could cause that. I would prefer not to use SOCKS and only have the IP-Masquerading doing my forwarding, but if I require SOCKS, I'm more than ready to use it. any ideas? I can't use opera forever as it times out in a few days. -Dan Brosemer btw, I am loading the ftp_ipmasq_mod.o or whatever the name is (along with all the others like it I could find. thanks in advance!
Re: Win98 and Debian
You should have no problem in Win-Linux interactivity...they will not interact at all, but you can mount and read/write to the windows partition (basicly, access the files on your C drive, just not execute them). However, thats not possible when working in Windows ( to access Linux files) Hmmm.. Actually, there's some driver made for Win95 (so it *should* work in 98) that allow the reading of an ext2 partition. Although at version 0.16 or 0.17 (both are available and have different (dis)advantages to use) at http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk . I've been using them, and although I think they are causing some little glitches here and there, there's no ext2 loss of data or anything more than an annoyance to deal with. Bottom line: pretty useful to seldom access a Linux partition when you've screwed something. (Nah... I don't speak out of personal experience... =P ) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Ben Messinger wrote: This happened to me, and apt did resume and finish - but the package that it was getting when the ppp link was severed got corrupted (or incomplete download). All other packages were ok, but this was the cause of much sorrow when the corrupt package disabled the package system until it was removed by hand and reference to it removed from the package database. If you use a static ip this probably won't happen to you, but if you use dynamic ip, beware. Were you using ftp or http at the time? APT does carefully check the md5 of every file before accepting it, it is not possible for it to invoke dpkg on a file that has the wrong size -- and in theory it should not happen that dpkg is invoked on a file with a bad md5 but if there is disk corruption or something it could happen. I am almost totally certain that this is true for HTTP and I am mostly certain that it is true for FTP, but either could have a bug : How apt works is it downloads all files into a partial/ directory, files in that directory are never used by dpkg. When a download is complete the md5 that was generated by the download method [md5 hashing is done on the fly as the file is written to disk] is compared against what the package file claims and the size is checked as well. When those both match the file is moved from partial/ to .. and is now considered 'ok'. After this the only thing that is checked is that the file has the correct size. Aborted downloads and corrupted downloads are all handled neatly by the partial directory in a nice fast manner. Someday I will add an option to md5 every file before invoking dpkg but not right now : Jason
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
What happens if my ppp link dies in the middle? apt-get will pick up the download when you re-connect, keeping downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives with partial downloads in [...]/partial. It doesn't install a thing until it's downloaded the lot, so make sure you have enough disk space. What happens if you don't have enough disk space?!! Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: What happens if my ppp link dies in the middle? apt-get will pick up the download when you re-connect, keeping downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives with partial downloads in [...]/partial. It doesn't install a thing until it's downloaded the lot, so make sure you have enough disk space. What happens if you don't have enough disk space?!! Well space in the archive is checked before download begins so it probably shouldn't happen. But if you run out then it will abort will lots of errors and never call dpkg. If you run dpkg and then run out you -should- be fine but strange things have been reported... Jason
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
What happens if you don't have enough disk space?!! Well space in the archive is checked before download begins so it probably shouldn't happen. But if you run out then it will abort will lots of errors and never call dpkg. If you run dpkg and then run out you -should- be fine but strange things have been reported... So what advantage is there of running apt-get over the more traditional - run mirror, then install using dselect? Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: What happens if you don't have enough disk space?!! Well space in the archive is checked before download begins so it probably shouldn't happen. But if you run out then it will abort will lots of errors and never call dpkg. If you run dpkg and then run out you -should- be fine but strange things have been reported... So what advantage is there of running apt-get over the more traditional - run mirror, then install using dselect? mirror?!?! You want to mirror the entire 700 meg binary-386 directory and then install it?? Ik. apt-get does at least these things over that solution: 1) Downloads faster than mirror (esp if you are not on a modem :) Installs from a mirror faster than many other methods (no dpkg -iGROBE) 2) Downloads only what you need and no more 3) Integrates multiple sources, such as non-us and main across multiple sites with built in fail-over (in v3) and preferencing 4) Installation ordering is correct, safe, and advoids the 'hit install till it works' problem some other methods have. Installation ordering also deals with obsolete essential packages and other situations like replacing mailers - screwy 'development' package depends, etc 5) Downloaded files are checked for proper md5 hashes, sizes, etc and this is done very quickly + transparently 6) The system is carefully checked to advoid subtle breakage that is common with manual dpkg (mismatched libc6/libc6-dev for instance) 7) Safe inter-dist upgrades, rexx-slink, bo-slink, hamm-slink and others As well as making dselect safer to use for these upgrades should you choose to go that way (not recommended!) 8) Safer handling of unmet deps in unstable dists, packages are not installed unless they really will have all their dependents installed too 9) Automatic correction and recovery of many common errors 10) apt-get install is just nifty. You can use APT as a dselect method to replace dpkg-* if you already maintain a local mirror and get the most important advantages, there are also techinques to use APT over NFS to basically mirror-on-demand debian for a workgroup. There are also techniques to use APTv3 to 'mirror at work for home' with a zip disk and probably a few other things you can do with it that nobody has discovered yet : Jason
pinepgp oddity
I've seen a lot of pgp-signed messages on this list recently display weirdly: -BEGIN PGP DECRYPTED MESSAGE- -- No signature could be found. -END PGP DECRYPTED MESSAGE- If I save the message and look at it with less, the message is signed, not encrypted and the text is quite viewable. I have pine-3.96M-1, pinepgp-3.96 and pgp-2.6.3a-5 on a slink/potato system. Does anyone else see this behavior or have a clue as to what might be broken? Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
README files for XF86Setup in slink
Hey guys, where are those /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.* files required for XF86Setup in slink ? Are they in a separate package ? Which ? I can't find them. Or is this just a bug ? Anyone's aware and working on it ? Sergey.
Unidentified subject!
I'm looking for a qmail debian binary package. Is there such a beast? Do you know where i might find it. Thanks Karl
KDE Installation Problems
Hi, Me again. Well i got another problem. Im trying to install the kde desktop and i've run into a problem that i dont know how to fix. What i have done so far to reach this error message that ill post is. I've installed the kdebase files and the other files it requires. So no problems there. I used dselect by the way. But when dselect trys to setup the desktop it gave me this error. Setting up kdebase (980312-8) ... Updating kdmrc basename: too few arguments Try 'basename --help' for more information Starting kde display manager: kdm/usr/bin/X11/kdm: error in loading shared libraries libkdecore.sp.0: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory . I'm clueless on what to do next. I want to use the kdm instead of xdm and im currently running Fvwm95. I'm also on a 2.0.34 kernel, and im using the latest stable debian. Can anyone please help?? Thanks for any info Faton Useni More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail
Re: gcc vs egcs
Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 02:49:17PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:58:29 -0700 (MST), Jason Gunthorpe wrote: for our gcc because nobody has patched the 2.0 kernels to work with another gcc. Do the 2.2 kernels compile with egcs? As of somewhere in the 2.1 series Linux kernels should work with egcs. I've been using an egcc compiled 2.1 kernel for a few months now and the 2.2.0-pre serie works with no problem when compiled with egcc. Chris -- Looking for a cutting edge | Christophe Broult software validation technology? | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Check http://www.info.unicaen.fr/lpv | ``Smile, chuckle, giggle''
Re: libc 6 or 5
folks, i have to confess - i am somewhat confused over this issue. the reason it's come up right now is netscape, i get inconsistent results using either version is there a definitive method for finding out which libc i am using? Yes. It can vary per executable. The ldd command shows you which libraries are used by an executable. On a bo system, I get $ ldd /bin/ls libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5.4.33 This is using libc5 On a hamm system, I get $ ldd /bin/ls libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4000f000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) This is using libc6, and the ld-linux.so.2 library. i am running debian hamm with a 2.0.34 kernel. A hamm system is libc6, but you can run libc5 executables as wel. For them to work you need to install some packages from hamm's oldlibs section. HTH, Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: Moving Users Passwords to Debian
I need to move several thousand user entries from a Solaris 2.5.1 system to a Debian system. The problem that I have is to move the encrypted passwords. I have moved passwords between Debian systems by editing the passwd file and using 'cut paste. When I tried cutting pasting between Solaris and Debian, it didn't work. I just tried from SunOS dino 5.5.1 Generic_103640-12 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise (big fat SUN) to Linux pebbles 2.0.27 #2 Mon Sep 15 10:04:07 MET DST 1997 i586 (debian bo) and it worked. Are you aware of the shadow settings? If you are using them on debian, you would first run `shadowconfig off' to insert the passwords directly into the passwd file. If shadow passwords are active on the SUN (I'd guess they are), you should copy the encrypted passwords from /etc/shadow. Or you keep shadow passwords on in debian (`shadowconfig on'), and copy both the lines from the passwd and from the shadow file from the SUN. If you are maintaining a system with so many users, be sure to use shadow passwords with debian. Is it possible to move the passwords by doing some form of bit shifting - converting between little indian and big indian? If so, can someone tell me the procedure? There are no native Americans involved here, it is about `endian'-ness. :) Judging from my experiment you should not need to fiddle with that. HTH, Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: bash programming question
Or just use finds' exec option
find . -print -exec some stuff {} \;
Bob
:wq
P.S. The {} expands out to the current file name
- Original Message -
From: Shaleh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: bash programming question
On 19-Jan-99 Michael Meskes wrote:
Hi,
I have a small sh script that does essantially the following:
variable=`find . -print`
for file in $variable
do
some stuff
done
try:
for file in `find . -print`
do
${file}
done
The braces should help keep the variable consistent. So far I see nothing
bash here. This is also a valid ksh or ash script. If you leave off the
'function' keyword many supposed bash scripts are valid bourne scripts.
recent pine.deb and samba-2.0.deb?
hello, as i look, the potato archives i access are empty or copies of slink now i am searching the package to debianize the pine compilation, and i search also the samba2.0 debs any location i may find that? ciao bboett == acount at earthling net http://erm6.u-strasbg.fr/~bboett === Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address To contact me replace acount by bboett in above addresses
RE: KDE Installation Problems
[snip] Starting kde display manager: kdm/usr/bin/X11/kdm: error in loading shared libraries libkdecore.sp.0: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory . [snip] Have you set up your KDEDIR variable, and got your PATH right? If not, there's a document explaining how to set up kde on the kde website (www.kde.org)
Re: gcc vs egcs
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Debian uses eg++ for our g++ because 2.7 is effectively useless (it encourages code that will not work on other C++ compilers) and we use 2.7 for our gcc because nobody has patched the 2.0 kernels to work with another gcc. Effectively 2.7.* is dead and all development is focused on egcs - apparently the gcc people will take code from egcs to create the next gcc releases or something. What egcs means? gcc is for GNU C Compiler, egcc is for GNU (egcs) C Compiler. But, does the g from egcs come from GNU ? If both gcc and egcs are developed by GNU, why they are missynchronized (sorry for the recursive misspelling) ? Should I install egcs-doc and read the docs? -- Conrado Badenas (Assistant Lecturer) Department of Thermodynamics. University of Valencia c/. Doctor Moliner, 50 | e-m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 46100 Burjassot (Valencia) | Phn: +34-63864350 SPAIN| Fax: +34-63983385
Re: gcc vs egcs
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:16:32 +0100, Conrado Badenas wrote: What egcs means? It used to mean Experimental GCC Compiler Suite, though AFAIK it's not expanded anywhere on the EGCS website (http://egcs.cygnus.com) anymore. If both gcc and egcs are developed by GNU, why they are missynchronized (sorry for the recursive misspelling) ? See http://egcs.cygnus.com/faq.html#gcc-2-diff Should I install egcs-doc and read the docs? They perform the same function as gcc-docs for gcc: document the compiler. They do not address the history of the project, current development etc. much (if at all). HTH, Ray -- Obsig: developing a new sig
Re: DEC 21143 Chipset
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, David Woodhouse wrote:
Kevin Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can anyone tell me whether the 'tulip' driver supports the 21143 chipset?
My card supplier (Kingston) has just switched from the 21140 to the 21143
and I've no idea what problems this might cause - if any.
The last Kingston 10/100 cards I got didn't have a DEC-badged chip on - it
seemed to be some kind of clone.
A Macronix chip?
Greetings,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wavelets, Linux/{m68k~Amiga,PPC~CHRP} http://www.cs.kuleuven.ac.be/~geert/
Department of Computer Science -- Katholieke Universiteit Leuven -- Belgium
help with EXIM setup
Can anyone point me in the direction of a setup guide for Exim MTA? I'm wanting to set up a simple mail system for 1 or 2 users using a dial up connection, with mail delivered to my system via SMTP from my ISP. However, I'm completely new to MTA's, and find the 250 page Exim Spec a bit daunting! TIA -- Mark Herrick
lan card compatibility
a friend asked me to install linux on his computer w/ a D-Link DFE-530TX PCI LAN Card and it seems like the kernel (hamm 2.0) won't recognize it. i lookep up the card in the ethernet howto and it was mentioned there that its supported by linux. are there any special tricks to this so that linux will recognize that lan card and may i also ask what are they ? (my only experience is w/ a 3com 3c509) thanks a lot and hope someone can help me (whether what to do to make my linux recognize that lan card or to ditch that piece of hardware). chad INXS: pls cc all replies to me as this email i am using is not currently subscribed to the list __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]
Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: I hope no one gets angry at me for reviving this thread, but I'm just now reading it and I think this could be an important issue. Christian Lavoie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: My point is that this company would one day tries ot improve it's revenues and influence the Debian distribution to fits its needs. Look at the recent discussions about whether to ship Slink as i386 only, or to wait until m68k and others are ready. If Debian had been commercially distributed by a company, the choice wouldn't be taken on a 'How can this help the Debian dists and end-users' basis, but on a 'How can we get the most bucks' basis. You're thinking in traditional terms. Someone decides these issues now, right? Those exact same people would be in charge of this corporation. They would not be interested in the bottom line, but in what's best for Debian. The word corporation scares a lot of people because of what it's come to represent. But how a corporation is run is decided internally. Just because there aren't any democratic corporations doesn't mean we can't start one. This new democratic Debian corporation could sell shrink-wrapped Debian CDs right next to Red Hat CDs, hopefully cheaper. Combined with Debian's advantages over Red Hat and word-of-mouth, Debian could possibly eclipse Red Hat. Even if it doesn't become the best-selling distro, it could still sell enough to give the developer's jobs. I'm not sure if this would be considered a for-profit corporation or not. No one's really raking in any profit, most of the money is going back into Debian and paying for the packaging and such, but some people are getting paid, so I'm not sure. I can see only two changes in Debian due to this corporation. Development would (presumably) go faster because the developers are getting paid, and Debian would become more well-known. I also liked the idea that someone suggested earlier, that people could pay dues into this corporation and get a vote. A democratic corporation indeed. This may sound radical, but we'll never know if it will work unless we try, will we? /--\ | pretzelgod | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | (Eric Gillespie, Jr.) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |---*| | That's the problem with going from a soldier to a | | politician: you actually have to sit down and listen to | | people who six months ago you would've just shot. | | --President John Sheridan, Babylon 5| \--/ You see, there's something of an answer to your proposal in your very signature :-) Being a Caldera newbie I find Debian idea so interesting that I'll probably switch. Point is, there is absolutely no commercial interests driving the development into one direction or the other. Developers have total control over what and how is going to be implemented. It's what's made Linux (and other high-end UNIX systems, such as Solaris, HP-UX) what they are - versatile OSs that are configurable to the maximum extent. Windoze, on the other hand, has been developed according to wishes, not needs, of hobbie users that favour clicking icons and stuff like that. I like it too, but found that my data is indefinitely more important and want to use it in the future so Linux is my best bet. Some of us are tired of relying on ever-changing APIs that are being developed according to momental needs (=which rival do we want to wipe out today, Balmer?) The less organization you have the more development will serve real needs; developers that code in their spare time usually know what they're doing and what is needed, and are not directed by boss that puts generating revenue as priority no. 1. Do you think it will ever be possible that in a corporation the work will not be driven by revenue? That shareholders will back off and leave developers total control over their work? I think not. Did we learn something from MS-success story? MS kills competition by destroying its revenue. Its the scenario that was happening all along. Let the question whether this is fair or not, be put aside in this discussion. Fact is, Linux is on the rise in the situation where all non-MS systems are sinking precisely because of its independence of revenue. No corporation could ever develop such a high-quality OS starving of revenue and with that kind of rival-killing competition from a giant like MS. Linux development model (and therefore Debian as well) is immune against such attacks. As for two kinds of developers, paid and unpaid ones, don't you think there can arise some tensions between the groups? Money changes much things. Debian is the only viable non-commercial Linux distribution nowadays. It's the only major Linux distribution of which development is propelled by absolutely no
Re: RPM under Debian?
Mitch Blevins wrote: In foo.debian-user, you wrote: Hello, this is Linux newbie and just-heard-about-Debian asking: is there support for RPM package management under Debian? The website doesn't meantion it, not even for the upcoming 2.1 release. Did I miss something? Debian provides different levels of rpm support. 1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised, however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies for a given package are available. Since the RPM database cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg) it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for your system by trying to use two different package managers actively. 2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package, to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the package, and still have the advantage of a single database of installed packages. This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted alien package. Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if available. -Mitch Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM packages from their native format and put the installed files' and dependencies info in the deb database? Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea? Jernej
xwp: can't load library 'libXt.so.6
Hi, I recently started getting this error, while maintianing an up-tp-date slink. Does wp8 need the old xlib6 from oldlibs? -- Jim Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACORN techie AOL/IM: jim foltz
Re: recent pine.deb and samba-2.0.deb?
BB == Bruno Boettcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BB now i am searching the package to debianize the pine compilation, BB and i search also the samba2.0 debs Both are in project/experimental Ciao, Martin
Re: AMD K6-2 / Bogomips problem
On 19-Jan-99, Peter Bartosch took time to write : bogomips should only depend on hardware no ? only on cpu (and clock) that's what i thought too, but it doesn't seem true in my case as with exactly the same hardware and no change in bios i have 700 bogomips with kernel 2.2.0pre7 and 350bogomips with kernel 2.0.36 compiled either as 586 or as 686 they are all compiled with same options (as much as possible) Patrick
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jerney wrote: Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM packages from their native format and put the installed files' and dependencies info in the deb database? Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea? I am no dpkg developper, but I'll bite anyway. The program exists and is not called drpm, but alien. The problems are not in reading the package and it's dependency information, the problem is in the organisation of the programs into packages. For example (just an example, I don't know if it is true), RedHat could have a package x11-clients_3.3.2.rpm, and debian a package xbase_3.2-1.deb. Say both contain `xterm'. Now if a third package needs `xterm', it will depend on x11-clients in RedHat, and on xbase in debian. If this is an rpm package, alien will spot that it depends on x11-clients, but this information is near useless, since this package does not exist in debian. Something else that can go wrong is file placement. One distibution might put xterm in /usr/bin, another one could choose /opt/x11/bin. Programs that depend on a certain full pathname can break because of this. Then there may be differences in configuration files. Note that the problems I described are not due to differences in the package format at all. They can arise between Caldera and RedHat as well, although they both use rpm. The fact that there is only one distribution currently using .debs actually protects you from this kind of trouble. HTH, Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
UML Software for Linux
Hello, I'd like to know if there is any (free) software for UML under Linux. For the moment I'm using a commercial software under Windows. If there's no such software I think I'll propose it as a student project, but then I have a few question : 1) Would there be any legal/copyright problems (concerning UML) and how to deal with them? 2) Till now the student projects focused on teaching OO analysis and design and team work. I'd like to add to those practical considerations and I like the Debian policy. The problem is that I'm new to Debian, I know almost nothing about its development and still didn't have time to read the corresponding docs. Where should I start knowing that implementation will be the last thing we'll do? 3) Is there any French documentation for developers? I think that only a few students will be able to understand the English ones. 4) Any other idea or suggestion? Mamoun -- Mamoun ALISSALI LIUM Tel: (33-2) -02-43 83 38 47 UNIVERSITE DU MAINEFax: (33-2) -02-43 83 38 68 Avenue Olivier MessiaenE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 72085 LE MANS CEDEX 9 http://www-ic2.univ-lemans.fr/~alissali
Re: RPM under Debian?
Jernej Zajc wrote:
Mitch Blevins wrote:
[snip]
Debian provides different levels of rpm support.
1) The rpm program is available as a Debian package, and it can
install/uninstall rpms. This method of use is not advised,
however. RPM keeps a database of which packages are installed
and uses this database to determine if the required dependencies
for a given package are available. Since the RPM database
cannot read the database of the native Debian package manager (dpkg)
it will not work as desired. You can cause serious problems for
your system by trying to use two different package managers
actively.
2) You can use the 'alien' program, supplied as a debian package,
to convert rpms to debs. Then you can use dpkg to install the
package, and still have the advantage of a single database of
installed packages.
This works well for non-system-critical packages and packages
without alot of complex dependencies... but you are just asking
for trouble if you install (for instance) gnome as a converted
alien package.
Of course the best alternative is to install a native deb if
available.
-Mitch
Call me a silly fool, but I cannot but wonder would it be possible
to make a pkg mgmt program (drpm :-)) that would install RPM
packages from their native format and put the installed files' and
dependencies info in the deb database?
Any dpkg developers willing to comment the idea?
#!/bin/bash
# drpm - program to install RPM and DEB packages from their
# native format and put the installed files and dependencies
# info in the deb database
# (also does Stampede packages)
#
# usage: drpm packagefile [packagefile] ..
for filename in $@; do
case ${filename} in
*.rpm|*.slp ) alien --install ${filename} ;;
*.deb ) dpkg --install ${filename} ;;
* ) echo Huh? ;;
esac
done
# end drpm
The above script does what you want (in a limited way).
The issue is not compatibility of the formats, but rather compatibility
of the contained programs and their file locations.
Example:
foo.deb - keeps config file in /etc/foo.conf
foo.rpm - keeps config file in /usr/some/other/location/foo.conf
bar.deb - depends on foo.deb
Has a post-install script that parses the information in foo.conf
and fails miserably to find the file from the converted RPM.
Requiring the maintainer of a Debian package to be compatible with not only
the relevant deb files, but also with any possible rpm (Official or not) that
may be floating out on the web would be intractable.
Debian is able to do some amazing things because the packages can depend
on other packages conforming to Debian policy and conventions.
Have you played with apache and its modules on Debian? Great stuff!
You can drop the mod-perl deb on top of the apache deb and it reconfigures
itself almost as if by magic.
Developers are now working on configuration tools and the ability to
administer multiple machines centrally. This would not be possible if
it had to support foreign packaging systems and their non-Debian-aware
install scripts. We should not hold back progress of our distribution
to accomodate less-advanced formats especially when Debian has the
most packages availble compared to any other distro.
-Mitch
Video card
I am thinking of upgrading my current s3 trio 1 mg video card to sothing a bit nicer (Feed up with unable to alocate default background messages) and was wondering if anyone had any recomendations for cards which run well under Debian 2D/3D might be nice?? Any thoughts? Pete
Re: Help I am unable to get my xwindows as user to run.
Mike Carter wrote: Date sent: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:36:36 -0600 To: Mike Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Help I am unable to get my xwindows as user to run. At 09:18 AM 1/20/1999 +1030, Mike Carter wrote: Hi team, I fitted the xbf-i740 driver to get my intel chipped agp card to run. It does as root but now I cannnot log on as a user(and get netscape to run) with xwindows as it says only root can run X. Would someone please tell me how to fix it. thanks, Mike I don't know what I'm talking about, but you might make sure that /etc/X11/Xserver has Console on the second line and not Root. Hi, You apparently do Kent, console is written on the second line. However can you help me get my computer to work on the net. My computer's name is different from my login and I cannot find where I have to write the info to get news or mail to work. cheers, Mike Does this mean that you can now run X as a normal user? Can any other Debian folk help Mike figure out news and mail? I've never used news (even in the Windows world), and my mail expertise consists of I got it to work on my box but I have no idea how. I could probably stumble and bumble around and eventually figure it out, but it might be more efficient if someone spoke up who knows what they're talking about.
Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.
At 08:46 PM 1/19/99 -0700, you wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: What happens if my ppp link dies in the middle? apt-get will pick up the download when you re-connect, keeping downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives with partial downloads in [...]/partial. It doesn't install a thing until it's downloaded the lot, so make sure you have enough disk space. What happens if you don't have enough disk space?!! Well space in the archive is checked before download begins so it probably shouldn't happen. But if you run out then it will abort will lots of errors and never call dpkg. If you run dpkg and then run out you -should- be fine but strange things have been reported... this actually happened to me last night while running dselect. I ran out of space while apt was http downloading, and it errored out on me. I freed up some space, restarted the install, and it seems to be humming away fine.
