RE: Configurar Canon BJC-210 [Solucion]
Tengo una Canon BJC-210 y Debian 2.0 Hamm. He instalado el magicfilter y puesto la impresora como bj-200, tengo el gs-aladdin 5.10-9. El texto plano imprime bien, pero al imprimir postscript me saca basura... Poniendo en el magicfilter la impresora como bj600, funciona... Josu Arenas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lilo: Posible offtopic
El miércoles 24 de marzo de 1999 a la(s) 19:01:06 -0500, Ugo Enrico Albarello contaba: Al arrancar de nuevo salía Disco incorrecto, cambie el disco y pulse una tecla. Y hala, sin windows ni Linux. Y la partición de windows si estaba activa, o se... ¿`desactivó sola'? Siempre estuvo activa, ya que para ir a Linux lo hacíamos tras arrancar en DOS, con loadlin. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 2.0 | www.gnu.org -- El servidor de NT se ha ido a tomar por c***. (Dakota) David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.world In love with TuX. Linux 2.2.4 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc
Re: Puertos no encontrados
El jueves 25 de marzo de 1999 a la(s) 09:58:43 +0100, Hue-Bond contaba: Pues ahora que lo dices, me doy cuenta que Linux sólo detecta los dos puertos COM que tengo activados en la BIOS. Probaré... Probé. Yo el la BIOS sólo tengo activado el COM1; el COM2 está desactivado porque el módem ya incluye un puerto COM (que todo el mundo lo tiene configurado para COM4, pero yo para COM2). Bueno, desactivé en la BIOS y Linux no lo detectó. -- El servidor de NT se ha ido a tomar por c***. (Dakota) David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.world In love with TuX. Linux 2.2.4 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Christian Dysthe wrote: Hi again, guess what I need to know is how do you start programs at boot on a Debian system. I have tried to put my soundon* script from OSS in rc.boot and I get an error message when booting saying: cat uses obsolete /proc/pci interface It has nothing to do with the startup sequence. The 2.2.x (and 2.1.x) have introduced another interface to report about the PCI bus devices on your system. Kernels prior to 2.1.x used /proc/pci to publish this information in a textual form, while the =2.1.x kernels have /proc/bus/pci interface which exports that data in a binary form which is translated into human-readable data using the pciutils package. /proc/pci can be compiled into kernel for compatibility reasons, but the kernel can complain about some program using an obsolete interface, as it did in your case. It must be a way to load software/scripts in a simple way when booting. Or isn't it? Oh, there is. Just put an executable script in /etc/init.d. For your convenience, there's a skeleton file in /etc/init.d/skeleton which you can use as a template for a properly constructed startup file. marek -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzao258AAAEEAM7hrSfj5QmbZMJ64b1COVrXNuraF95y8Djln0a37UBlLZQ7 4EJ9Die2V2kUSb4ndpCC5owSvR7KWBq6XYTVw7ne42PfzgIe/l+xG2e9pmztS1oZ Yhyow8aQ4Thlw286dvjuqWQ00M0s3XnWB24SpiQzsYZOwEfdlZ1EuNB7BOoNAAUR tCRNYXJlayBIYWJlcnNhY2sgPGdyZW5kZWxAdmlwLm5ldC5wbD6JAJUDBRA2qNuf nUS40HsE6g0BAfYuA/9NShgAKJ/iM5uSYmNXt6srSOIwUumqoVl0GVzXFHFPQaFB gqf2e2wNBIQH5DpGOYeyVW5GWsho+aM3lsPIMgCxKUb2sOuLzywl89GPnoAOc37B UQsbFdTH8cyQGoEjwHgqyu+7Omc5ptGXMjuYO0NN++tQsGRETcnwzSWviGExuA== =+3ah -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On 28 Mar 1999, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. What RH package there is which has no Debian equivalent? 2. Why should Debian be RH-compatible? If someone switches to Debian from RH s/he should be prepared that some (re)adaptation will be necessary. The guys from the LSB (Linux Base Standard) are currently talking with Debian and RedHat to agree on one standard /etc/init.d structure. It will probably be abstracted and have symbolic names and dependencies. Eechh yet another standard?? Like it wasn't easier to chose one from the existing ones... marek -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzao258AAAEEAM7hrSfj5QmbZMJ64b1COVrXNuraF95y8Djln0a37UBlLZQ7 4EJ9Die2V2kUSb4ndpCC5owSvR7KWBq6XYTVw7ne42PfzgIe/l+xG2e9pmztS1oZ Yhyow8aQ4Thlw286dvjuqWQ00M0s3XnWB24SpiQzsYZOwEfdlZ1EuNB7BOoNAAUR tCRNYXJlayBIYWJlcnNhY2sgPGdyZW5kZWxAdmlwLm5ldC5wbD6JAJUDBRA2qNuf nUS40HsE6g0BAfYuA/9NShgAKJ/iM5uSYmNXt6srSOIwUumqoVl0GVzXFHFPQaFB gqf2e2wNBIQH5DpGOYeyVW5GWsho+aM3lsPIMgCxKUb2sOuLzywl89GPnoAOc37B UQsbFdTH8cyQGoEjwHgqyu+7Omc5ptGXMjuYO0NN++tQsGRETcnwzSWviGExuA== =+3ah -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
dvisvga and resolution problems
I ran trying to setup dvisvga to get 800x600 resolution but all that it will allow me is 320x200. I have a matrox millinium card and I am currently running libsvga on my console so I know I have the capabilities. Everytime I try to set the mode by dvisvga -d800x600 I get the following error fatal error: display: no such vga-mode on this machine Anyone know what I can do to get better than 320-200 resolution out of dvisvga? Lance
Re: what is flex ?
What is flex ? Flex is the gnu clone of lex, one of the original unix lexical analysis tools. A lexer (that's what you get when you run flex on a flex file) is used to break up input into tokens, which are the atomic units of programming languages or other specifications. In english, tokens are probably best thought of as words. In something like C, tokens are keywords (if, else), or numbers (1423) or operators (+, =, ;), or function names (do_foo()), etc... A decent book on compiler construction could probably explain it better. Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools by Aho, Sethi, and Ullman (1984, Addison-Wesley, also called The Dragon Book because it's got a picture of a dragon on the front) is probably the standard compilers text. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | --
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On 28-Mar-99 Marek Habersack wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Christian Dysthe wrote: cat uses obsolete /proc/pci interface It has nothing to do with the startup sequence. The 2.2.x (and 2.1.x) have introduced another interface to report about the PCI bus devices on your system. Kernels prior to 2.1.x used /proc/pci to publish this information in a textual form, while the =2.1.x kernels have /proc/bus/pci interface which exports that data in a binary form which is translated into human-readable data using the pciutils package. /proc/pci can be compiled into kernel for compatibility reasons, but the kernel can complain about some program using an obsolete interface, as it did in your case. marek Does this mean that the OSS driver (the commercial one) isn't ready for kernels 2.1.x and above, and that I should expect an updated driver that uses the new interface? Regards, Christian Dysthe Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27-Mar-99 Time: 18:29:36 UIN: 33573035 This message was sent by XFmail Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Christian Dysthe wrote: textual form, while the =2.1.x kernels have /proc/bus/pci interface which exports that data in a binary form which is translated into human-readable data using the pciutils package. /proc/pci can be compiled into kernel for compatibility reasons, but the kernel can complain about some program using an obsolete interface, as it did in your case. marek Does this mean that the OSS driver (the commercial one) isn't ready for kernels 2.1.x and above, and that I should expect an updated driver that uses the new interface? I don't know about that driver, I don;t use it, so I can't comment on it being ready or not, but I'd suggest you use the ALSA sound modules which are really good, and already in the Debian distribution. But the message you mentioned is a harmless warning only meaning that your package X MAY be incompatible with the latest kernels one day, should the mentioned interface vanish. marek -- -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzao258AAAEEAM7hrSfj5QmbZMJ64b1COVrXNuraF95y8Djln0a37UBlLZQ7 4EJ9Die2V2kUSb4ndpCC5owSvR7KWBq6XYTVw7ne42PfzgIe/l+xG2e9pmztS1oZ Yhyow8aQ4Thlw286dvjuqWQ00M0s3XnWB24SpiQzsYZOwEfdlZ1EuNB7BOoNAAUR tCRNYXJlayBIYWJlcnNhY2sgPGdyZW5kZWxAdmlwLm5ldC5wbD6JAJUDBRA2qNuf nUS40HsE6g0BAfYuA/9NShgAKJ/iM5uSYmNXt6srSOIwUumqoVl0GVzXFHFPQaFB gqf2e2wNBIQH5DpGOYeyVW5GWsho+aM3lsPIMgCxKUb2sOuLzywl89GPnoAOc37B UQsbFdTH8cyQGoEjwHgqyu+7Omc5ptGXMjuYO0NN++tQsGRETcnwzSWviGExuA== =+3ah -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
Well, I did put the OSS startup script in rc.boot, and the drivers load and work fine. The only problem is the message I get about obsolete pci device which, as I was informed here, has nothing to do with the way the driver is loaded. On 27-Mar-99 Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... isn't that a bit overkill? Why don't you just put stuff in /etc/rc.boot or do cd /etc;mkdir rc.d;ln -sf rc.boot rc.d/rc.local??? NO /etc/rc.boot and rc.local are totally different things. If you do not know what you are doing DO NOT use /etc/rc.boot Read about this in the archives. It has come up at least 60 times before. Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Regards, Christian Dysthe Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27-Mar-99 Time: 18:35:43 UIN: 33573035 This message was sent by XFmail Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On 28-Mar-99 Marek Habersack wrote: I don't know about that driver, I don;t use it, so I can't comment on it being ready or not, but I'd suggest you use the ALSA sound modules which are really good, and already in the Debian distribution. But the message you mentioned is a harmless warning only meaning that your package X MAY be incompatible with the latest kernels one day, should the mentioned interface vanish. The OSS driver (the commercial one) works great here (Hamm). -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37]
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On 28-Mar-99 Christian Dysthe wrote: Well, I did put the OSS startup script in rc.boot, and the drivers load and work fine. The only problem is the message I get about obsolete pci device which, as I was informed here, has nothing to do with the way the driver is loaded. Odd. I don't get that obsolete PCI message. -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37]
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Pollywog wrote: On 28-Mar-99 Christian Dysthe wrote: Well, I did put the OSS startup script in rc.boot, and the drivers load and work fine. The only problem is the message I get about obsolete pci device which, as I was informed here, has nothing to do with the way the driver is loaded. Odd. I don't get that obsolete PCI message. Me neither, at least when using cat. But MC does produce that message in kernel logs. marek
Re: ftp mail
After running pon and you start to hear the 'weird noises' enter: tail /var/log/ppp-log (at least I think it's ppp-log...I'm running Windows at the moment) And keep running it (up arrow, enter) until you see that ip addresses have been assigned in the form xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where xxx can be a 1, 2 or 3 digit number. Once ip addresses are assigned you can run ftp, lynx or anything else you've installed and configured correctly. Tim Does Debian 2.0 (hamm) installation have an ftp and mail program included to use with the ppp? I have the pon and poff controlling my modem. It dials and makes all sorts of wierd noises but then what. I need ftp to avoid floppy problems in getting netscape and X packages. Thanks, Bill
Re: what is flex ?
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Will Lowe wrote: What is flex ? Flex is the gnu clone of lex, one of the original unix lexical analysis tools. A decent book on compiler construction could probably explain it better. Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools by Aho, Sethi, and Ullman (1984, Addison-Wesley, also called The Dragon Book because it's got a picture of a dragon on the front) is probably the standard compilers text. Actually, I found that the book _Lex and Yacc_ published by O'Reilly Associates is quite readable (I read the whole thing in two days) and is a good introduction to things both lexish and yaccish (including bison.) -- Jonathan Guthrie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Brokersys +281-895-8101 http://www.brokersys.com/ 12703 Veterans Memorial #106, Houston, TX 77014, USA
RE: what is flex ?
On 27-Mar-99 Àùåóëîâ Àëåêñåé wrote:
What is flex ?
Pathfinder
Flex performs essentially the same functions as classic UNIX lex: it
produces C code which serves as a parser that can be used to analyse
structured input for patterns and tokens, and, for each token, generate
corresponding output according to rules which you define. This is
typically followed by analysing its output by C code generated by yacc
(yet another compiler compiler) which refers the sequence of outputs
from lex to a yacc grammar which you also define. The grammar is the
generative grammar for the language in which you write your structured
input.
Programs which accept structured program-like input from the user
(including anything from a simple calculator which can recognise and
respond to input like 1.2 + 3.14 = ?, to a full compiler for a language
like C) can be composed using lex and yacc. A classic is the eqn
component of the troff package, which generates text-formatting commands
for mathematical printing when given input like
{x sup 2} over {a sup 2} + {y sup 2} over {b sup 2} = 1.
The interpretation of this input is defined in the first instance by
lex rules, and there is a yacc grammar for it which generates the
troff code which generates the formatting when processed by troff.
See the man page man flex (or man lex which gives the same), and also
man yacc.
Ted.
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Re: ftp mail
ifconfig will also show that an IP has been assigned. At 08:01 PM 3/27/99 -0500, commbat wrote: After running pon and you start to hear the 'weird noises' enter: tail /var/log/ppp-log (at least I think it's ppp-log...I'm running Windows at the moment) And keep running it (up arrow, enter) until you see that ip addresses have been assigned in the form xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where xxx can be a 1, 2 or 3 digit number. Once ip addresses are assigned you can run ftp, lynx or anything else you've installed and configured correctly. Tim Does Debian 2.0 (hamm) installation have an ftp and mail program included to use with the ppp? I have the pon and poff controlling my modem. It dials and makes all sorts of wierd noises but then what. I need ftp to avoid floppy problems in getting netscape and X packages. Thanks, Bill -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
XFree86 dselect questions
Hello, I'm new to the Debian distro, and relatively new to Linux in general (was using Red Hat until its security issues began to bother me). Go easy on me :) several questions: 1. I can only run 'xinit' or 'startx' as root, running it from my regular acct says that I don't have permissions to use it. Any suggestions? I'm using xf86config to set it up 2. I'm really confused when it comes to the packaging system for debian. Although RPM was a big reason for *leaving* Red Hat, I'm kind of put off by 'dselect', and even more by 'dpkg'. I bought the CD's from cheapbytes.com, it's a 4 CD set, 2 binary, and 2 source...perhaps I'm doing soemthing wrong, but was something as simple as Pine left out of the distro? Anywho, basically, I guess dselect is the easier way to do things, but I can't even find Netscape in there. Is there a page onthe web or perhaps a HOWTO that describes these two things? 3. In RedHat, the 'su' command allowed and '-l' switch, which would take the path settings of user to be su'ed to (ususally root in my case)...any way to do that with the debian 'su'? thanks so much!! -lev
Latest Versions of Gnome
...where are they? I haven't seen a new gnome .deb since 1.0.1.
More importantly, if I wanted to just download the tarballs and do the
install by hand, what's the best way to do it so that it conforms to what
the .debs have installed so far (i.e., matching paths, etc.). Has anyone
tried converting the latest rpms to debs with alien?
Thanks!
R.
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apt-get fails with large package
I am trying to upgrade a machine to slink, it was going fine till it attempted to download the xbooks package. It waited for ages saying 0% [Waiting for file] Then eventually bombed out with: Get:1 http://www.au.debian.org stable/main xbooks 3.3.2.3a-2 [17.4Mb] Err http://www.au.debian.org stable/main xbooks 3.3.2.3a-2 Error reading from server Remote end closed connection Failed to fetch http://www.au.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/x 11/xbooks_3.3.2.3a-2.deb Error reading from server Remote end closed connection E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe try with --fix-missing? Now I tried two different archives, namely http.us.debian.org and www.au.debian.org and both had the same problem. It would seem that any file too large just doesn't even start downloading. Any ideas/solutions? Oh, and the other thing is, apt-get suggested maybe try with --fix-missing, but I cannot find any mention of --fix-missing in the apt-get documentation. Is this a typo? If not, what does this option do? Cheers, Mark. P.S. This is apt version 0.3.2 _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Slink install
I just installed Slink over Hamm. In other words I used the official cd and created new partions. The base installed fine. I got to the point where you can pick which packages and profiles to install on your system. I chose the Custom option. When I got to the custom section I couldn't select any of the options such as Administrative (something like that). I could move the cursor up and down but when I hit return nothing was selected. This part seemed to be broken. I backed out of that and selected Dial-up In the access method of dselect I chose to install from cdrom set. Hit update, hit install, dselect began unpacking the programs then a message flashed by that said something about a dpkg broken pipe. Then tons of error messages I couldn't catch. Then I was put in the position in dselect to configure the packages. I selected that and got the following error, running --pending --configure... dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dokg/updates/0039' near line 1: newline in field name '#padding' dpkg --configure returned error exit status 2. I was never asked to put the second cd in which surprised me. I thought Slink was a two cd installation. Hamm was my first Linux instillation. Worked the first time. I guess I just got lucky. I reinstalled Slink three times and still get the errors I described. What is going on with this? Thanks, Kent
Re: XFree86 dselect questions
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Lev Lvovsky wrote: I'm new to the Debian distro, and relatively new to Linux in general (was using Red Hat until its security issues began to bother me). Go easy on me :) several questions: 1. I can only run 'xinit' or 'startx' as root, running it from my regular acct says that I don't have permissions to use it. Any suggestions? I'm using xf86config to set it up Check what files are suid and sgid... just an idea, I've never seen this before. -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 4912 Nov 16 03:26 X* at very least... hmm, permissions on your mouse? Try ls -l 'ing everything you think might affect this. 2. I'm really confused when it comes to the packaging system for debian. Although RPM was a big reason for *leaving* Red Hat, I'm kind of put off by 'dselect', and even more by 'dpkg'. I bought the CD's from cheapbytes.com, it's a 4 CD set, 2 binary, and 2 source...perhaps I'm doing soemthing wrong, but was something as simple as Pine left out of the distro? Anywho, basically, I guess dselect is the easier way to do things, but I can't even find Netscape in there. Is there a page onthe web or perhaps a HOWTO that describes these two things? PINE and Netscape both are part of non-free because of licensing issues. A person on this list (Sorry, don't remember the email, search the archives for I have PINE DEBS or something like that... maybe just look for pine) got permission from UW to distribute the modified binaries, redhat just bends over and accepts the silly filesystem layout (kinda works with their own silly filesystem layout. :) Netscape does not meet the DFSG, and so is in non-free, AFAIK mozilla will have no trouble meeting these guidelines, but I see that even in potato, there's a really old version, any newer versions debianized? Solution: Use dselect to change your access method to ftp and update, you should see netscape and the two important pine packages now, select 'em, now go to /usr/src/pine and follow the instructions for building a debianized pine. It's real simple, and the debianized pine is nicer anyway, IMO. 3. In RedHat, the 'su' command allowed and '-l' switch, which would take the path settings of user to be su'ed to (ususally root in my case)...any way to do that with the debian 'su'? su - [user] [user] is optional if su'ing to root. HTH. -Dano -- As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege. --Noam Chomsky
Anon ftp problems
I am having problems with anonymous ftping into my linux boxes. When I connect, there is nothing visible. However, I have put stuff in the /home/ftp directory structure. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? TIA, chris
Re: apt-get fails with large package
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: I am trying to upgrade a machine to slink, it was going fine till it attempted to download the xbooks package. It waited for ages saying It may well be that your ISP has a 'transparent' web proxy that doesn't quite work, try using wget.. Jason
Re: Question about mounting MS-DOS partition
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, George Bonser wrote: Because only root can write to an MSDOS partition and you do not want to be root doing normal things. In other words, you should only be root when you have to do some administrative task that requires root and then you go back to being a user again. Users can not write to MSDOS. This is not quite true. By default, you're right, but mount will take a uid/gid option and set all the mounted files to that owner/group. How else do regular users write to a DOS floppy? Also, as long as you put a read-only section, say /usr, on the vfat partition, you'll be okay. Off the top of my head, here are the reasons I wouldn't do it: 1. Security. DOS doesn't have the file permisions for a multiuser system, and I wouldn't trust it. 2. If it breaks, how do you fix it? There's no fsck for vfat. 3. Lots of programs are going to assume a unix-type file system. Debian itself, for instance, will probably break into little tiny pieces on a file system without symlinks.
Re: Latest Versions of Gnome
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Rootguru wrote: ...where are they? I haven't seen a new gnome .deb since 1.0.1. Have a look at http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2, but be aware that these packages are not yet in the distribution for a reason (they will be moved once they're better tested). You can add this to sources.list to get them with Apt: deb http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2 unstable main They are probably as good as the RPMs though, just not as good as the typical Debian package. More importantly, if I wanted to just download the tarballs and do the install by hand, what's the best way to do it so that it conforms to what the .debs have installed so far (i.e., matching paths, etc.). Has anyone tried converting the latest rpms to debs with alien? Probably a bad idea. :-) Havoc
Re: XFree86 dselect questions
doing soemthing wrong, but was something as simple as Pine left out of the distro? Anywho, basically, I guess dselect is the easier way to do things, but I can't even find Netscape in there. Is there a page onthe Both of these don't fit Debian's idea of free (see http://www.debian.org/intro/free). The University of Washington (the originator of pine) won't let us distribute binaries built from modified source (we have to change a few lines here and there to put files in the right places, etc.). It _is_ allowed, however, to distribute source and a patch, so what we do is distribute the source, and a patchfile, together with a makefile that'll build you a pine .deb. Netscape works similarly -- it's technically illegal for us to redistribute netscape binaries. There is a netscape .deb in the contrib section -- you download the netscape .tar.gz from netscape.com, put it in /tmp, and install the netscape .deb file, which unzips and installs the tarball. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | --
Re: Latest Versions of Gnome
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From: Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...where are they? I haven't seen a new gnome .deb since 1.0.1.
Have a look at http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2, but be aware
Actually, this is where I've had apt-get pointed to for some time. The only
things
that usually get updated are Enlightenment and it's themes. I've been
having
crashes with GMC and Gnome-panel (the former dumps if you close the browse
window directly after opening it and the latter likes to explode if you try
to use a .png as a background [and for that matter, *no* background seems to
work on it]).
This place still has 1.0.1 libs, etc.
More importantly, if I wanted to just download the tarballs and do the
install by hand, what's the best way to do it so that it conforms to
what
the .debs have installed so far (i.e., matching paths, etc.). Has
anyone
tried converting the latest rpms to debs with alien?
Probably a bad idea. :-)
I figured as much, which is why I asked... ;
Thanks!
R.
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Re: svgalib mouse problems
Sorry for replying to my own post - this is to let everyone know that the problem has been solved. It seems that /dev/ttyS0 has permissions set for group dialout of which I (Ivan) was not a member. When I added myself to the group and followed Joey Hesse's suggestions from the bug mailing list of initialising the mouse __before__ calling vga_init() everything works lovely. Thank you. Ivan.
Kernel Compile Error
Hi all- I was trying to compile the 2.0.36 kernel on my slink system to include support for sound. I went through the make xconfig deal and typed make dep and make clean without incident. However when I tried to make zImage I got the following output: terra:/usr/src/linux# make zImage gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototyp es -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 -ma lign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=686 -c -o init/main.o init/main.c In file included from init/main.c:17: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/types.h:7: warning: #warning This c ode is tested with gcc 2.7.2.x only. Using egcs/gcc 2.8.x needs /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/types.h:8: warning: #warning additi onal patches that have not been sufficiently tested to include by /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/types.h:9: warning: #warning defaul t. /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/types.h:10: warning: #warning See h ttp://www.suse.de/~florian/kernel+egcs.html for more information /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/types.h:11: #error Remove this if y ou have applied the gcc 2.8/egcs patches and wish to use them /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/asm/string.h: In function `__constant_memc py': In file included from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/string.h:39, from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/asm/termios.h:59, from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/termios.h:5, from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/tty.h:20, from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/linux/sched.h:26, from init/main.c:20: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/asm/string.h:443: warning: control reaches end of non-void function /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/asm/string.h: In function `__constant_c_an d_count_memset': /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.36/include/asm/string.h:594: warning: control reaches end of non-void function init/main.c: In function `get_options': init/main.c:272: warning: subscript has type `char' make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 *** END OF ERROR MESSAGE *** I don't know C/C++, but I took a look at the the main.c file in the init directory, and yes get_options is indeed of type char, but it means little to me (other than the fact that my kernel won't compile). I've been playing all day, and I installed the comm. 408 packages via apt-get and it installed new versions of libc6 and some other stuff. I am currently d'l'ing the 2.2.1 source (from potato) and no other files were apparently selected by apt-get. I figured that maybe there was something wrong with the 2.0.36 source(?) Does anyone have any pointers? TIA -- __ _ Mark Wagnon Debian GNU/ -o) / / (_)__ __ __ Chula Vista, CA /\\/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
Re: MTA and SMTP ident
On Sat, Mar 27, 1999 at 02:20:48PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: GC == G Crimp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GC The From: header is okay, but the envelope From header gets GC written as [EMAIL PROTECTED] The my.isp.com is getting through GC because I could tell smail that my visible_name was the domain of GC my ISP and not the local machine name. GC Some mailing lists don't like the fact the From: field and the GC envelope don't agree and reject my mail. I believe you are wrong here. This would be damn stupid (BTW, the mailinglist might reject the message based on this, the receiving MTA however must not do this). I have no problems with something like that. Did you choose to send _all_ outgoing mail via your isp's smtp server (smarthost)? I have tried using both smart_host and routing mail myself. In both cases, by mail seems to get through OK except to certain mailing lists. I never get any bounces. My mail just quietly disappears. I have done a test where I telnet to the mail daemon at the destination, and I am able to go through the SMTP protocol manually and get my message through. I think you are right, though, that it is the list software and not the MTA that is silently discarding my mail. When flame wars erupt in one particular list, we go through periods of moderation. The moderator receives my mail OK and can forward it no problem, but on auto-pilot, my mail is dropped without exception. For me, I just set the visible_name and use the method described in http://www.debian.org/fom/137.html to change the From: and Sender: header (so I don't have to do it im every programm sending mails). My From: field is not a problem (thanks mutt !) but I'll give the Sender header a crack and see if that makes a difference.
svgalib vs. GGI
Hello again, Having (now) worked out the basics of svgalib and being about to embark on a fairly substantial graphics project I wonder what peoples opinions are regarding svgalib vs. GGI ? Is svgalib dead and GGI the way of the future ? What is the state of svgalib development now anyway (in terms of support for new graphics cards) ? GGI on the surface does seem to be almost as big a monster as X - is this the case ? Is anyone using the current beta GGI and has any comments ? Just because I have put in the effort and learned some of the svgalib/vgagl functions I would prefer to carry on using these but it seems pointless to do so if, as the GGI page states, svgalib is completely dead. Look forward to comments. Ivan.
Re: Need printer help
Subject: Need printer help Date: Sat, Mar 27, 1999 at 01:41:41AM -0500 In reply to:Robbie Huffman Quoting Robbie Huffman([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm hoping someone out here can help me discover why my printer won't print. Until not very long ago, I was using a Slackware system, and sending my infrequent print jobs by hand using gs -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=laserjet -sOutputFile=/dev/lp1. Now that I've switched to Debian, I can't get that much to work anymore. A good tunelp /dev/lp1 -r gets some response from the printer (in the form of some printhead movement), but nothing else will. Using gs sometimes causes the busy light to come on, but it quickly blinks out again. The Printing-HOWTO doesn't have any debugging hints. I'm lost. And my only guess is that the Debian setup for lpt1 is somehow different. Any pointers? Thanks, Robbie Huffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] do You have a /etc/printcap file? I seem to reall that Slack makes that for you. If not, get the magicfilter package. Run magicfilterconfig and answer a few questions. Your printer will then talk to you, again. HTH -- Bringing computers into the home won't change either one, but may revitalize the corner saloon. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
Subject: Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian? Date: Sat, Mar 27, 1999 at 06:29:36PM -0600 In reply to:Christian Dysthe Quoting Christian Dysthe([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On 28-Mar-99 Marek Habersack wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Christian Dysthe wrote: cat uses obsolete /proc/pci interface It has nothing to do with the startup sequence. The 2.2.x (and 2.1.x) have introduced another interface to report about the PCI bus devices on your system. Kernels prior to 2.1.x used /proc/pci to publish this information in a textual form, while the =2.1.x kernels have /proc/bus/pci interface which exports that data in a binary form which is translated into human-readable data using the pciutils package. /proc/pci can be compiled into kernel for compatibility reasons, but the kernel can complain about some program using an obsolete interface, as it did in your case. marek Does this mean that the OSS driver (the commercial one) isn't ready for kernels 2.1.x and above, and that I should expect an updated driver that uses the new interface? The commercial OSS driver for the 2.2.x kernel works fine, the ones for the 2.0.x kernels don't, of course, work with the newer kernels. -- Goto, n.: A programming tool that exists to allow structured programmers to complain about unstructured programmers -- Ray Simard ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The GNU thing
On Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 09:20:19AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: : : 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software : must display the following acknowledgement: : : This product includes software developed by the University of : California, Berkeley and its contributors. : I can't stand AOL, but AOL! Thanks for making this point. The advertising clause isn't as bad as it sounds. It only says that if we put out a press release or brochure or some other advertising material that mentions that we include the program `blah' which has the above license, we have to include that acknowledgement. If the advertising doesn't mention `blah', we don't have to include the acknowledgement. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Re: Zombies
On Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 09:40:54PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Kent West wrote: Mine looks okay; well, other than it being a man page and I find most man pages ugly to begin with, but only because I speak English instead of Developer :) Have to agree with Brandon, it's completly broken. There _is_ no nroff formatting, they took a preformatted text file and stuck enough of a header on it so apropos works, but it's all preformatted. Nasty. Is this new in potato? I can't see this in the one on my slink systems. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Re: Problems with S3 Trio 3D 2x AGP
On Sat, Mar 27, 1999 at 01:05:09AM +0100, Eurisko wrote: I have a big problem: I have a S3 video card with 4 Mb but I'm not able to make it work fine. I've tried with the S3 and SVGA servers, but it only works with the VGA16. Video Card Specifications: S3 Trio 3D2x Version 2.0B.06 SuperProbe report chipset: 0x8a13 Trio3D is not supported yet (as of 3.3.3.1); see www.xfree86.org. I traded mine in on a Riva 128 based card. The Trio was awful anyway. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
(no subject)
Hi: I am fed-up with MS and its products and OS. I've looked to see how to get Linux. Unfortunately, I am not familiar at all with files, extensions, what how to download and zip, unzip. Can someone tell how does this work? If I need to install a windows based package, I know that there are executable files. With Linux, I don't know all of this. I read pages and pages as to how to pre-install But no one said what is the file to download and how to unzip if zipped. I appreciate your assistance. Arfan
About installation
Ok, just go to www.debian.org and follow the instructions on how to install. In that html file ( I recommend you read hte whole thing, since you are not familiar with Linux ), in chapter 5, there is a list of base files you need. Just follow instructions and you should be fine. This is all a bit different from MS world, since there all you do to install things is double-click. Here you might need to do some work manually, especially later, when installing packages like X and configuring your system for XWindows. Or kernel configuration, for that matter. But don't worry, before you get there you'll get to know Linux. Typically, when you want to install something, you download the source code and do 'make install'. However, dselect/apt take care of that part for you, when you are dealing with .deb packages (prepackaged programs). But if you are downloading and installing .tar.gz files (tar is tape archive, gz is gzip, sort of like .zip files in Windows), you will need to go through 'make' procedure. Andrew. --- Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN 12402354 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv --Little things for Linux.
Re: Problems with S3 Trio 3D 2x AGP
Eurisko wrote: Hello! I have a big problem: I have a S3 video card with 4 Mb but I'm not able to make it work fine. I've tried with the S3 and SVGA servers, but it only works with the VGA16. Video Card Specifications: S3 Trio 3D2x Version 2.0B.06 SuperProbe report chipset: 0x8a13 From the XFree86 FAQ at http://www.xfree86.org/FAQ/#Trio3D: Q.F18- Is a server for the S3 Trio3D or the S3 Savage3D available? Boards based on those two S3 chips are not supported in XFree86. XFree86 has only recently (November 98) received the documentation for these chips, so development is underway. This will take some time. This FAQ will be updated as soon as a server is available. Q.F19- Is a server for the Voodoo Banshee or other 3Dfx chips available? Boards based on Voodoo Banshee (or any other 3Dfx chips) are not supported in XFree86, as programming documentation is not available. We are working with 3dfx on a solution to solve this problem but haven't been successful, yet. Currently work has started on a server with documents that were given under NDA, no schedule for a release of such a server is known, though. Q.F20- Is there any other way I can get an unsupported card to work? Well, there is. If you are running Linux and the card is VBE-2.0 compliant in hardware. Unfortunately even today many new cards are not. But if yours is, then you can setup a late version of the Linux kernel (anything newer than 2.1.119 should do) with vesafb and use the XF86_FBDev server with it. Anthony D'Amico has a nice introduction how to do this at http://www.uno.edu/~adamico/banshee/, where he describes how to get the Banshee to work. Note that the section there about installing the XF68_FBDev X server can be omitted. Instead use the XF86_FBDev that is provided as part of XFree86 3.3.3.1. This works in a very similar way for other VBE-2.0 compliant cards as well.
Re: Coupla quick questions...
Martin Bialasinski wrote: GS == Gary Singleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GS 3.) I think when I recompiled my kernel for sound I somehow lost GS what used to be called slhc or slip header compression - I use GS PPP so I don't know if I need it but... Hmmm, I have ppp compiled as modules and slhc.o is there. I also have sound built as modules, so I don't think there is any connection between the two. GS 4.) What does Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP GS mean? I checked the archives/dejanews and determined that I GS prolly don't need it so I turned it off in /etc/ppp/peers/provider GS but I'd still like to know what it's for. You can turn this message off with the 'noproxyarp' option in ppp config. [snip] -- Ed C.
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 02:00:16AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: I know it is for one-time boottime initialization of some packages. But in the absense of rc.local it can be used, as a poor-man's substitute. OTOH, the two startup file layout standards haven't been designed to be intermixed, so I guess that this discussion is purely theoretical and inpractical... There is no absence of rc.local -- you just have to make it yourself. Just do the following: cd /etc/init.d vi local chmod +x local update-rc.d local defaults Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Re: Slink install
I have some more information. I tried installing again. the same thing happened. Everything unpacks ok until it reaches emacs20 this is what it says: Unpacking emacs20 dpkg: error processing ./emacs20.20.3-7.deb ( --install): error writing to the 'usr/share/emacs/20.3/leim/skk/skkdid.elc': No space left on device. dpkg-deb. subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe) Then several other programs are broken and then the error ends with: unable to flush /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.; after padding: no space left on device dpkg: failed to write status record about 'libdnd1' to '/var/lib/dpkg/status': no space left on device. Installation OK. Hit Return. What does all this mean? When I try to go back into dselect and select select I get the error: dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dokg/updates/0039' near line 1: newline in field name '#padding' So dselect is unusable. Help, Kent ktb wrote: I just installed Slink over Hamm. In other words I used the official cd and created new partions. The base installed fine. I got to the point where you can pick which packages and profiles to install on your system. I chose the Custom option. When I got to the custom section I couldn't select any of the options such as Administrative (something like that). I could move the cursor up and down but when I hit return nothing was selected. This part seemed to be broken. I backed out of that and selected Dial-up In the access method of dselect I chose to install from cdrom set. Hit update, hit install, dselect began unpacking the programs then a message flashed by that said something about a dpkg broken pipe. Then tons of error messages I couldn't catch. Then I was put in the position in dselect to configure the packages. I selected that and got the following error, running --pending --configure... dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dokg/updates/0039' near line 1: newline in field name '#padding' dpkg --configure returned error exit status 2. I was never asked to put the second cd in which surprised me. I thought Slink was a two cd installation. Hamm was my first Linux instillation. Worked the first time. I guess I just got lucky. I reinstalled Slink three times and still get the errors I described. What is going on with this? Thanks, Kent -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
XWindows and Debian
Anyone ever had trouble with a Riva128 card running the SVGA Xserver? I try to start the server using startx and it seems to start and then it unloads say it's waiting for server to shut down. I'm using enlightenment as a window manager. and have xdm installed..any ideas? thanks alot.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cyillic only) http://www.concentric.net/~jsbaird ICQ UIN: 19560609
Re: samba: Operation not permitted (was: Re: vfat - cp: file: Operation not permitted)
Hello, JB == Jiri Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JB I ask because I'd like to be able to use `mv' to move files. If it JB can't set permissions on the destination, mv behaves like cp. Martin Bialasinski: On FAT partitions, there is no concept of permissions. So Linux uses values determined by the uid, gid and umask options on mount. I know. On FAT partitions, one can set them to be `quiet' about it, so attempts to set permissions fail silently. I'd like to be able to do the same with smbfs. Jiri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll know the future has arrived when every mailer transparently quotes lines that begin with From , but no-one remembers why.
Re: Zombies
Hello, Chris Brown: kill pid# did not work. Somewhere along the way the jobs attained the zombie status, and kill wouldn't touch them. I finally rebooted. Can someone explain what a zombie is and how to kill it? The idea is that when a process dies, gets killed or just exits, its parent must be notified; if this notification can't happen at once, the process is labelled `zombie'. When notification goes through, the zombie disappears. So basically it's being kept around for bookkeeping reasons. To get rid of a zombie, you can also kill the parent. HTH Jiri -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll know the future has arrived when every mailer transparently quotes lines that begin with From , but no-one remembers why.
Re: Slink install
ktb wrote: I have some more information. I tried installing again. the same thing happened. Everything unpacks ok until it reaches emacs20 this is what it says: Unpacking emacs20 dpkg: error processing ./emacs20.20.3-7.deb ( --install): error writing to the 'usr/share/emacs/20.3/leim/skk/skkdid.elc': No space left on device. dpkg-deb. subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe) 'No space left on device' = You've run out of space on the partition you're installing to. Redo your partition config and give plenty of room on the one that will hold '/usr'. -- Ed C.
Re: (no subject)
Hi: I am fed-up with MS and its products and OS. I've looked to see how to get Linux. Unfortunately, I am not familiar at all with files, extensions, what how to download and zip, unzip. Can someone tell how does this work? If I need to install a windows based package, I know that there are executable files. With Linux, I don't know all of this. I read pages and pages as to how to pre-install But no one said what is the file to download and how to unzip if zipped. I appreciate your assistance. Sounds like you have made a good decision! It will take a while for you to get used to linux --- but hang in there, you'll get it in the end. Have you read the information on the world wide web at: http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/install Hopefully this will answer some of your questions. If you still have more questions, feel free to write back to this list. Cheers, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
How to get started
Arfan Tinawi wrote: Hi: I am fed-up with MS and its products and OS. I've looked to see how to get Linux. Unfortunately, I am not familiar at all with files, extensions, what how to download and zip, unzip. Can someone tell how does this work? If I need to install a windows based package, I know that there are executable files. With Linux, I don't know all of this. I read pages and pages as to how to pre-install But no one said what is the file to download and how to unzip if zipped. I appreciate your assistance. Arfan For folks with prior Unix experience, Linux is not difficult to get started with. For those like you and I, with only DOS/Win as a background, Linux can be a very painful learning process. I strongly suggest you start with a few books about Linux (books on general Unix can be very helpful too). I started with two books: Using Unix and Using Linux. They were a real help. Your first crack at installing Linux should be done with a CD-ROM installation, because installing/upgrading via the net is literally fraught with potential problems. You could easily end up frustrated. A CD of Linux is available from several sources fairly cheaply (You can get Debian on a CD from www.cheapbytes.com for just a few bucks plus shipping). Debian specific help can be had from http://www.debian.org/doc/;. -- Ed C.
Re: (no subject)
I am fed-up with MS and its products and OS. I've looked to see how to :) get Linux. Unfortunately, I am not familiar at all with files, extensions, what how to download and zip, unzip. Can someone tell how does this work? Under Debian, you'll download a set of basic installation files and then either make a special boot disk or run an installer program. The program will help you install Debian (including reformatting your hard drive and installing the basic Debian directories, programs, etc. ...). There's a really good How to Install Debian set of web pages on the Debian site: ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/disks-i386/current/install.html I read pages and pages as to how to pre-install But no one said what is the file to download and how to unzip if zipped. I appreciate your Yes, our files are compressed, but there are some other tricks to them. We've got a package manager called dpkg which does the unzipping and installing for you. :) You can't use dpkg until you've got the system installed, though, so you have to follow the directions I just pointed you to. They'll set up enough of a base system that you'll be able to use dpkg. let me know if you need help, Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | --
Re: How to get started (prior post was a reply to Re:(no subject))
How to get started was meant to be a reply to Re:(no subject). Sorry I got this screwed up. -- Ed C.
Re: XWindows and Debian
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Jayson Baird wrote: Anyone ever had trouble with a Riva128 card running the SVGA Xserver? No problems here. I've had to do lots of tweaking for the monitor, but the card itself (a Diamond Viper V330) has never given me any trouble at all. I try to start the server using startx and it seems to start and then it unloads say it's waiting for server to shut down. I'm using enlightenment as a window manager. and have xdm installed..any ideas? X is usually pretty good about saying what's bugging it. What's the exact output as it tries to parse the XF86Config file (use 'script' if you need) and does it ever get to your xsession commands? Liberal use of 'echo' in your script will let you if that's failing...
Installing Slink
Hi, For those who aren't aware of it. When upgrading or installing from Hamm to Slink you start with the binary disk 1 to boot-up on a new installation. After getting the system running, use dselect to install the rest of the system. In slink, you have to put the 2nd CD in first and then do Access, Update, Select, then install. You have to put the 2nd CD in first so that all the packages can be picked up by dselect. If you put in the first CD as I did the first time around, dselect will only pick up 1150 packages which is incomplete and you don't get to switch CD during installation if you do this. On the other hand if you put the 2nd CD in first then use Install in dselect it will tell you to put in whatever CD is needed when it does the installation of the packages. Shawn
Re: XFree86 dselect questions
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Daniel J. Brosemer wrote: On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Lev Lvovsky wrote: I'm new to the Debian distro, and relatively new to Linux in general (was 3. In RedHat, the 'su' command allowed and '-l' switch, which would take the path settings of user to be su'ed to (ususally root in my case)...any way to do that with the debian 'su'? su - [user] [user] is optional if su'ing to root. HTH. -Dano right, I usually use 'su' w/o the user specified, as I normally wanna get root priveleges...problem is, my PATH's aren't set. With RH, you could do an 'su -l', and get the PATH of the user you were switching to. Is there a switch for this in the debian 'su'? thanks :) -lev
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it is for one-time boottime initialization of some packages. But in the absense of rc.local it can be used, as a poor-man's substitute. OTOH, the two startup file layout standards haven't been designed to be intermixed, so I guess that this discussion is purely theoretical and inpractical... No. Go back and _read_ the archives. /etc/rc.boot runs very early in the boot process. No daemons (except maybe portmap) are running yet. No named, no syslogd, no apache etc. Historically, /etc/rc.local runs as the _last_ thing in the boot process. The system has been initialized fully before rc.local runs. There is a key difference. Besides, /etc/rc.boot has been deprecated and will disappear. Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Re: netstat entry
On Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 11:38:11PM -0600, Andrei Ivanov wrote: Evening all. I've found this entry in netstat output: tcp 57 1 Mizzou-AS7-21.mis:10802 pavlov.midco.net:ftp LAST_ACK Thing is, I don't remember connecting to pavlov.midco.net There are no entries in syslog with name pavlov, or xferlog, for that matter. Any ideas where else I can look if my system has been accessed by an outsider? Thanks, Andrew I may be mistaken, but I believe pavlov.midco.net is one of the Debian mirrors you access when you use http.us.debian.org. Mike -- Mike Merten [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 28460680
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Habersack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Mar 1999, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: The guys from the LSB (Linux Base Standard) are currently talking with Debian and RedHat to agree on one standard /etc/init.d structure. It will probably be abstracted and have symbolic names and dependencies. Eechh yet another standard?? Like it wasn't easier to chose one from the existing ones... As you know, RedHat, Debian, Suse etc have very different bootup procedures. We don't want ISVs to bother with that. So we need a system that works across distributions. On debian-devel there has been talk about a better setup with dpkg-like dependancies. This is a good thing. You don't have to bother with at which priority to place a new service. You can just say this service must be started after networking and name services are available. The LSB people are seriously looking at a system already created by fellow Debian developers which does all this and more. Normally I don't like changing something that's working either. I do not really like things like file-rc. But this is actually something that is not an alternative but a superiour solution. Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Mar 1999, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: The guys from the LSB (Linux Base Standard) are currently talking with Debian and RedHat to agree on one standard /etc/init.d structure. It will probably be abstracted and have symbolic names and dependencies. HORSE PUCKY! There are two standards, SysV and BSD ... PICK ONE! Okay, I am vendor X and want to put my boot script somewhere. a) where do I put it b) at which priority c) in which runlevel Oh that's different between Redhat Debian Suse Slackware etc and I have to create packages for all of them you say? Oh well I guess I'll just create an RPM for RedHat then Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
X-window client?
I need to get to my debian 5.2 system from my Windows NT workstation. Is there a free x-windows client for windows that anyone knows of? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Official CD question
I see there are 2 binary disks and 2 source disks in the mirror sites hosting the official debian disks. Do those disks include also contrib and non-free packages or do I have to use te debian-cd script on the local mirror to create the image? Thanks Pf -- --- Pierfrancesco Caci | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://gusp.infogroup.it ik5pvx| http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8999 Firenze - Italia | Office for the Complication of Otherwise Simple Affairs Linux penny 2.2.1 #1 Sun Feb 14 21:32:41 CET 1999 i586 unknown
Re: RedHat = MS-Linux???
When a company issues a new product touting Red Hat Linux support, rest assured that it is designed to sell more copies of Red Hat and may not install on any other distro cleanly. It strikes me that the Red Hat strategy may be to get Linux software released for their platform and not others. The RPM format facilitates this. Eventually they would control GNU/Linux, because if it doesn't run on Red Hat, it's broken. OTOH, Red Hat does pay the salary for a number of developers releasing software used by the entire LInux community. The compelling advantage of GNU/Linux is the freedom: to use it, customize it, and control your own computer. Red Hat control would remove that advantage. -- --- Andrew Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: menu generation
Hi Steve, The menus are automatically generated by the debian packages menu. On installation packages that support this put a file describing there menu entries in /usr/lib/menu. Then they run update-menus to add these entrie to the menus of the various window managers and programs like pdmenu. For more info see the documentation of the menu package. Greetings, Christian van Enckevort PS Could you please provide a subject when you post on this list. It makes it a bit easier to scan this list.
Re: RedHat = MS-Linux???
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I could find that Heinz Ketchup article again. It was Red Hat's president saying that their #1 mission is to make Linux=Red Hat. If you send someone out to get Linux, he wants to be 99% sure they are going to come back with a Red Hat box. http://www.press.umich.edu/jep/04-03/young.html :*CU# -- ***Guido A.J. Stevens ***mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***Net Facilities Group***tel:+31.43.3618933*** ***http://www.nfg.nl ***fax:+31.43.3560502*** PGP fingerprint E3 56 AA 30 44 EE 9E E9 CA 52 C5 B8 66 2F 77 21
What DO you lose with Linux ???
Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: Behind the hype there is precious little sign of Linux becoming a serious, versatile desktop OS. If all you need is a browser to get through the day, it's fine. But if I boot the PC I am using right now into any kind of Unix the list of stuff I lose -- music composition, accounting and personal finance to name but a few -- is endless because the applications just aren't there. On top of that, Linux is difficult to set up, fails to understand the difference between a desktop PC and a notebook, and lacks any kind of plug and play facility. I'm sure the last sentence is simply wrong in point of fact. If, in the previous sentence, he'd given a longer list of stuff I lose one might be in a better position to respond constructively. However, can I ask people what they would use for music composition, accounting and personal finance? I'm aware of good programs for creating musical scores which can also generate MIDI output, but I'd hardly call them top-flight composition tools; and it does seem that the accounting/finance area is thinly served. He didn't mention OCR (optical character rcognition) either. Where is the OCR program for Linux that works? Now that vmware is out ( http://www.vmware.com ) people who want to can run Windows applications on top of Linux without, it seems, losing much or indeed anything, so this could be the basis of another line of reply to Hewson's article: he can start up Linux and the list of stuff I lose would be empty because it would all still be there! Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail --
sources.list for slink CDs?
Hi! I trying to install a new system with slink. However, I do not seem to be able to construct a correct sources.list. I have two disks that have supposedly been made from the official distribution (i386 binary) and a third disk that contains non-free, non-US, gnome and some more goodies. How does my /etc/apt/sources.list have to look like for all packages being known to the system? Does apt-get prompt me to change disks before installing packages from a different disk? How is this being handled? Any hints will be appreciated. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: Installing Slink
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:28:51 -, you wrote: On the other hand if you put the 2nd CD in first then use Install in dselect it will tell you to put in whatever CD is needed when it does the installation of the packages. Does apt-get do the same thing? How do I include a home-made, non-standard CD with non-free and non-US? Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On 28 Mar 1999 11:02:24 +0200, you wrote: Besides, /etc/rc.boot has been deprecated and will disappear. How am I supposed to early load daemons (like scsidev which should be loaded before any disks are mounted)? Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Netscape 4.51 won't start
I just installed Debian 2.1, and the installation went smoothly up until netscape. If anyone has any advice, please tell me! Here are the details: I downloaded and extracted communicator-v451.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz from ftp.netscape.com. Next, I ran the ns-install script and installed it to the default location. (/usr/local/netscape) When I try to run netscape I get the following error: /usr/local/netscape/netscape: can't load library 'libXt.so.6' I have messed around with some stuff but I have no idea what to do now. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance --Jason ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
*- On 28 Mar, Marc Haber wrote about Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian? On 28 Mar 1999 11:02:24 +0200, you wrote: Besides, /etc/rc.boot has been deprecated and will disappear. How am I supposed to early load daemons (like scsidev which should be loaded before any disks are mounted)? Look in /etc/rcS.d and the README file that is in there. This is the replacement for rc.boot. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
In my opinion, the two things that you really do lose with linux are: Flashy new games (clearly very important) Hardware manufacturers support (but you do get support from linux developers) I guess the best solution to the first problem is to get a Sony Playstation, which is most suitable for this (but I can't do that myself, or I'd never get any work done!). The second problem probably means you can't take full advantage of the very newest hardware (in terms of flash graphics card, USB stuff, etc), straight away (unless it is compatible with older HW), but who can afford to buy all these new toys anyway? As for music composition (this seems like a bit of a minority interest to me, unless the auther is refering to basic midi programs which are in the Debian distribution), there is stuff like this available (particularly for those willing to pay. http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapp5.html#music has some stuff listed. Some accounting and personal finance stuff is also listed on the same site at: http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapp3.html#pers It seems to me that the author has listed an obscure application which may not be very well provided in linux, and another one that probably is, and has used this to give the impression that there is hardly any useful software available. It is true that p'n'p is a bit dubious under linux, but I think it is a complete fiction under Win95 (or they changed the definition at the last minute- there is certainly no hot-switching of devices). Linux kernel 2.0.nn doesn't do p'n'p, but it can easily (-note slighty unusual usage of word!) be loaded as a module. I think later kernels were supposed to be getting pnp built in, but I'm not sure. For OCR, the only thing I saw was a commercial thing called ocrshop http://www.vividata.com/ocrshop.html, but that seems to cost a lot. In general, there is a lot of stuff available for linux, most of it free (especially for home users). It is easy for someone who is thinking of switching to find out if they need something which is not linux compatible. If they have a lot of time on their hands, are good with computers and have a generous and sunny disposition, they might develop something themself (after all, that's where a lot of the linux stuff has come from). Otherwise they can dual boot, or try one of the emulators. Just my opinions Rich (Ted Harding) wrote: Apologies for duplicate postings, but I'd like to make sure I sound a diverse population. Today' London Sunday Times feature Innovation (pp 10-11 of News Review, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk ) has an article by David Hewson (of Linux, the Program from Hell fame) entitled Linux wins backing of computing giants. His attitude to Linux is much more moderate than it was: the article is basically balanced and fair, including some sound negative comment. However, he states: Behind the hype there is precious little sign of Linux becoming a serious, versatile desktop OS. If all you need is a browser to get through the day, it's fine. But if I boot the PC I am using right now into any kind of Unix the list of stuff I lose -- music composition, accounting and personal finance to name but a few -- is endless because the applications just aren't there. On top of that, Linux is difficult to set up, fails to understand the difference between a desktop PC and a notebook, and lacks any kind of plug and play facility. I'm sure the last sentence is simply wrong in point of fact. If, in the previous sentence, he'd given a longer list of stuff I lose one might be in a better position to respond constructively. However, can I ask people what they would use for music composition, accounting and personal finance? I'm aware of good programs for creating musical scores which can also generate MIDI output, but I'd hardly call them top-flight composition tools; and it does seem that the accounting/finance area is thinly served. He didn't mention OCR (optical character rcognition) either. Where is the OCR program for Linux that works? Now that vmware is out ( http://www.vmware.com ) people who want to can run Windows applications on top of Linux without, it seems, losing much or indeed anything, so this could be the basis of another line of reply to Hewson's article: he can start up Linux and the list of stuff I lose would be empty because it would all still be there! Comments, info, contributions, anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 12:49:27 -- XFMail -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Netscape 4.51 won't start
Jason Dawe wrote: I just installed Debian 2.1, and the installation went smoothly up until netscape. If anyone has any advice, please tell me! Here are the details: I downloaded and extracted communicator-v451.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz from ftp.netscape.com. Next, I ran the ns-install script and installed it to the default location. (/usr/local/netscape) When I try to run netscape I get the following error: /usr/local/netscape/netscape: can't load library 'libXt.so.6' I have messed around with some stuff but I have no idea what to do now. Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance --Jason ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Jason,. It looks like you need the xlib6 package in oldlibs. The version of NS that you have is libc5, so you need to get the older libs to run it . Prolly want to get xpm4.7 and libc5 while your there. BTW, you can find many answers to questions in the mailing list archive. This question has been asked _many_ times, before you post check out http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/ . It has a very good search engine to look for key words HTH -- dyer
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
(Ted Harding) wrote: and it does seem that the accounting/finance area is thinly served. This is the primary missing piece for me, at least in terms of a home, desktop system. While there are some personal finance programs available such as Gnucash etc, there is nothing remotely as good as Quicken. And I'm certainly not interested in running an older version of Quicken with Wine. I have gotten used to such things as paying bills on line, downloading my credit card statement, and being able to tie all my finances (investments, mortgage, credit, checking etc) together seemlessly in one software package. There was some talk (rumors) a few weeks ago about Intuit porting Quicken over to Linux, but Intuit announced shortly thereafter that they have no such plans, at least as of yet. FWIW, I am planning on writing to them, urging them to consider a Linux version...at least to let them know there is some interest. Tom -- Try Debian GNU/Linux - it's free, it's open source, and it rocks http://www.debian.org
Re: Netscape 4.51 won't start
*- On 28 Mar, Jason Dawe wrote about Netscape 4.51 won't start I just installed Debian 2.1, and the installation went smoothly up until netscape. If anyone has any advice, please tell me! Here are the details: I downloaded and extracted communicator-v451.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz from ftp.netscape.com. Next, I ran the ns-install script and installed it to the default location. (/usr/local/netscape) The licensing of Netscape has changed between Debian 2.0 and 2.1. Netscape and Communicator are now included as .deb packages in the non-free and contrib sections, which I don't think are on the CD's. There is is huge set of different packages to choose from. This is what I have installed. It has been split into modular parts. contrib/web/netscape-base-4 non-free/web/netscape-base-45 non-free/web/communicator-base-45 non-free/web/communicator-smotif-45 non-free/web/communicator-nethelp-45 non-free/web/communicator-spellchk-45 non-free/web/netscape-java-45 -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
DOS partitions on a pure-linux box
Hi friends, One of my HDs recently died, corrupting a few essential system files on the way. It didn't distroy the system, but it is no longer as 'perfect' as it was. Given this, and the fact that I want to update to slink, I've decided to do a complete new install on a new 6.4G HD, and copy accross everything of interest (like my home directory). This is going to be a full-time, 100% uptime, linux box. But having said that, I'd like to play around with WINE and DOSEmu a bit. Although I know what WINE is, I've never played with it myself. I do use DOSEmu tho, and I have a 20M image file set up with Caldera OpenDOS installed on it. My question is, given that I have a largish HD, is it worth me formatting one of the partitions with DOS (OpenDOS, prolly)? I can live with a large image file for DOSEmu if need be, but it might be easier having a whole 100M or something to play with as a partition. Might be handy if I ever need to boot into DOS too (god forbid!). What do other people do? Is it herasy to suggest one bit of a linux box be DOS? Is there any good reasons not to do it? Will a DOS partition make life easier with WINE (I'm hanging out to try this qualitative analysis package I have on linux...) Any thoughts (on or off list) are welcome... Cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | As my head fell in the basket, Network Administrator | And was everyone dancing on the casket... EmpireNET | - TBMG, Dead
Re: RedHat = MS-Linux???
On 28-Mar-99 Guido A.J. Stevens wrote: George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish I could find that Heinz Ketchup article again. It was Red Hat's president saying that their #1 mission is to make Linux=Red Hat. If you send someone out to get Linux, he wants to be 99% sure they are going to come back with a Red Hat box. http://www.press.umich.edu/jep/04-03/young.html A fascinating article. Somewhat mischievously, I extract the following from it: Heinz has 80% of the ketchup market because they have been able to define the taste of ketchup in the mind of ketchup consumers. Now the Heinz Ketchup brand is so effective that as consumers we think that ketchup that will not come out of the bottle is somehow better than ketchup that pours easily! This was Red Hat's opportunity ... to help define, in the minds of our customers, what an operating system can be. One feels that the parallel with Heinz should not be taken too literally. Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 15:45:30 -- XFMail --
Re: X-window client?
George Bonser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, David Bartholow wrote: I need to get to my debian 5.2 system from my There is no such thing as Debian-5.2 heh, he may mean RedCra^H^H^HHat... Windows NT workstation. Is there a free x-windows client for windows that anyone knows of? Not that I know of. The closest you can come is VNC. There is MI/X I believe, I've never used it, but it's worth a try... check out http://www.microimages.com/www/html/freestuf/mix/ .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 [ Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org ] being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer -ESR
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Mar 1999 11:02:24 +0200, you wrote: Besides, /etc/rc.boot has been deprecated and will disappear. How am I supposed to early load daemons (like scsidev which should be loaded before any disks are mounted)? /etc/rc.boot and /etc/init.d/boot have been replaced by /etc/rcS.d which gives you much more control over what should be run when. You'd place the scsidev script in /etc/init.d/scsidev and then run update-rc.d scsidev start 25 S . That way scsidev will be started after the root file system has been checked and mounted and modules are loaded but before all other filesystems are checked and mounted. Mike. -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Re: X-window client?
whoops, messed up the first posting. Also missed the Exceed free evaluation url: http://www2.hcl.com/html/forms/nc/exceed/request.html like I say, I don't know what strings are attached to this Rich Richard Harran wrote: There is Exceed. It's commercial, but you can order a free evaluation cd. I don't know in what way this is limited, but it might be worth giving it a go. I have used exceed before, and it is very good. Rich Adam Lazur wrote: George Bonser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, David Bartholow wrote: I need to get to my debian 5.2 system from my There is no such thing as Debian-5.2 heh, he may mean RedCra^H^H^HHat... Windows NT workstation. Is there a free x-windows client for windows that anyone knows of? Not that I know of. The closest you can come is VNC. There is MI/X I believe, I've never used it, but it's worth a try... check out http://www.microimages.com/www/html/freestuf/mix/ .adam -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 [ Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org ] being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer -ESR -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Red Hat, HP Linux...
First I'd like to thank all respondents to my Coupla quick questions... message, I've a much better handle on those things now :-). I was really surprised to learn that HP's Firemonkey or whatever it is was a Red Hat specific product. I worked as a contractor at HP a while back and got to know a little about the internal Linux community there. I was aware of at least two Debian developers that were active on the internal Linux newsgroup. Of course, management probably didn't bother to get input from these people; I'm sure they instead hired an outside Linux consultant who assured them that Red Hat was the way to go and that all future Linux products would conform to Red Hat's standards. I know a couple of these guys here that know even less about Linux than I do but are able to sound like experts. Unfortunately, they became consultants by going to CompUSA, picking up a box full of Red Hat, installing a couple of times and learning enough buzzwords to impress the clueless. Life really is like a Dilbert cartoon isn't it? Anyway, the point is - IMHO there _is_ a danger in Red Hat becoming dominant; not on technical merit but by increasing mindshare. Is this not how Microsoft became dominant? Microsoft has rarely been technically superior but has been able to dominate most markets because of mindshare. I'm not saying that Red Hat is behaving like Microsoft but power corrupts and if|when they dominate the Linux market(85%+) things may change. Maybe I'm still bitter over the whole Geoworks Ensemble thing ;-). Thanks for everything, Gary Singleton (sorry for the incoherency, need sleep) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: XFree86 dselect questions
On Sat, Mar 27, 1999 at 11:35:07PM +, Lev Lvovsky wrote: right, I usually use 'su' w/o the user specified, as I normally wanna get root priveleges...problem is, my PATH's aren't set. With RH, you could do an 'su -l', and get the PATH of the user you were switching to. Is there a switch for this in the debian 'su'? You can use the the - option, as in su -, to get a similar effect. This causes the your new session to use through the new user's startup files (.bash_profile, etc). This will give you any environment settings (including PATH), as well as aliases, that they would normally have set. If what you're wanting is to inherit only the PATH, then I'm not aware of a similar option...
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
On 28-Mar-99 Tom Pfeifer wrote: (Ted Harding) wrote: and it does seem that the accounting/finance area is thinly served. This is the primary missing piece for me, at least in terms of a home, desktop system. While there are some personal finance programs available such as Gnucash etc, there is nothing remotely as good as Quicken. And I'm certainly not interested in running an older version of Quicken with Wine. I have gotten used to such things as paying bills on line, downloading my credit card statement, and being able to tie all my finances (investments, mortgage, credit, checking etc) together seemlessly in one software package. I suppose one has to consider that (at any rate here in the UK) on-line banks assume you're using Quicken and interact accordingly, so you could miss out on a lot of facilities unless you use it. Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 17:03:12 -- XFMail --
free output vs. ps aux: not the same?
I've been noticing a greater difference between the outputs of free and ps with regard to my used memory and am really beginning to wonder what's going on... Here's what's going on: I'm running 2.2.1 on an x86 box and as the system has been chugging away the amount of free memory has been dwindling, even though an output of ps aux reports a constant (and much lower) memory usage. This box has 128mb's of ram, so ps aux's output (the sum of %mem * ~128) is only a few megs, while free says I'm using 100megs w/o cache and such. How does this make sense? Fwiw this is an smp box, and it's been up about 60 days now. Here's the output of a ps aux and free that I just did: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ps aux; free USER PID %CPU %MEM SIZE RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND chris 2355 0.0 0.4 916 544 1 R10:13 0:00 ps aux chris25971 0.0 0.5 2144 768 1 S Mar 26 0:00 -bash daemon 116 0.0 0.0 788 0 ? SW Feb 2 0:08 (portmap) daemon 289 0.0 0.0 840 0 ? SW Feb 2 0:06 (atd) lp 155 0.0 0.2 1912 300 ? S Feb 2 6:12 lpd MAIN postgres 174 0.0 0.0 371216 ? S Feb 2 0:01 (postmaster) qmaill 183 0.0 0.0 752 0 ? SW Feb 2 1:03 (splogger) qmailq 186 0.0 0.0 740 0 ? SW Feb 2 0:23 (qmail-clean) qmailr 185 0.0 0.0 740 0 ? SW Feb 2 0:01 (qmail-rspawn) qmails 178 0.0 0.0 792 0 ? SW Feb 2 4:09 (qmail-send) root 1 0.0 0.0 75664 ? S Feb 2 0:13 init root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Feb 2 5:56 (kflushd) root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW Feb 2 12:41 (kswapd) root12 0.0 0.0 72028 ? S Feb 2 47:43 update root 104 0.0 0.1 896 176 ? S Feb 2 28:43 /sbin/syslogd root 106 0.0 0.0 804 0 ? SW Feb 2 0:02 (klogd) root 118 0.0 0.0 86484 ? S Feb 2 1:10 /usr/sbin/inetd root 121 0.0 0.7 1928 960 ? S Feb 2 39:04 /usr/sbin/named root 141 0.0 0.0 74860 S0 S Feb 2 26:19 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/ttyS0 -t ms -l a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\37root 148 0.1 0.2 956 368 ? S Feb 2 80:55 /usr/sbin/tcplogd root 150 0.0 0.0 860 0 ? SW Feb 2 2:59 (icmplogd) root 184 0.0 0.0 740 0 ? SW Feb 2 1:04 (qmail-lspawn) root 210 0.0 0.0 1340 0 ? SW Feb 2 2:11 (sshd) root 233 0.1 0.0 164880 ? S Feb 2 89:46 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd root 235 0.0 0.0 128476 ? S Feb 2 43:39 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd root 292 0.0 0.1 860 168 ? S Feb 2 6:21 /usr/sbin/cron root 310 0.0 0.0 836 0 5 SW Feb 2 0:00 (getty) root 311 0.0 0.0 836 0 6 SW Feb 2 0:00 (getty) root 341 0.0 0.2 1132 260 S1 S05:00 0:04 /usr/sbin/pppd call hiwaay root 572 0.0 0.1 1692 248 ? S N Feb 2 12:04 rc5des root 573 0.1 0.1 1692 248 ? S N Feb 2 84:41 rc5des root 574 99.9 0.1 1692 248 ? R N Feb 2 67824:41 rc5des root 575 99.9 0.1 1692 248 ? R N Feb 2 60237:51 rc5des root 1483 0.2 0.7 992 992 ? S06:48 0:36 /usr/sbin/xntpd root 2677 0.0 0.0 836 0 4 SW Mar 20 0:00 (getty) root 6453 0.0 0.0 86836 ? S Mar 12 0:32 dynipclient -m root 17963 0.0 0.2 1300 356 ? S Mar 23 3:09 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D -a root 17965 0.0 0.0 1272 0 ? SW Mar 23 0:00 (nmbd) root 17968 0.0 0.0 1448 0 ? SW Mar 23 0:00 (smbd) root 27649 0.0 0.0 836 0 3 SW Mar 26 0:00 (getty) root 29494 0.0 0.1 1836 196 ? S Mar 27 0:26 /usr/sbin/smbd -D root 32059 0.0 0.0 836 0 2 SW 21:54 0:00 (getty) root 32062 0.2 0.0 260460 ? S Feb 7 188:00 /usr/sbin/apache www-data 956 0.0 0.0 2640 8 ? S06:42 0:00 (apache) www-data 1750 0.0 0.0 2736 8 ? S07:49 0:00 (apache) www-data 1751 0.0 0.0 2628 8 ? S07:49 0:00 (apache) www-data 1752 0.0 0.0 2728 8 ? S07:49 0:00 (apache) www-data 1753 0.0 0.0 2756 8 ? S07:49 0:00 (apache) total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:128004 116104 11900 4328 2692 24740 -/+ buffers/cache: 88672 39332 Swap: 203036 12464 190572 Very strange, add up the %mem used by ps aux and it's only a few percentage points, but free reports a radically different set of numbers. I'm guessing that free doesn't report what I'm thinking (I'm sure the kernel doesn't have a memory leak this big), but I have no idea what it is and can't find any references to it. thanks in advance! -- Chris - Visit Me At http://www.frostnet.advicom.net/chris/ - -- Public PGP Key: Email
upgrading with 2 CD's
I just got my slink CD's, and started trying to upgrade (from hamm). I can't find anything, in the Release Notes or elswhere, that says how to deal with multiple CD's. The closest thing is the file README.multicd which seems to be talking only about installs, not upgrades, and all it says is to be sure to start with the last CD in place. README.multicd also refers to a multicd method in dselect, but when I run dselect, I see no mention of it. Can someone explain what I'm supposed to do. I'd also suggest that those instructions be made available in a prominent place on the web site. Thanks. -- David Zelinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Compile Error
On Sat, Mar 27, 1999 at 08:08:44PM -0800, Mark Wagnon wrote: Hi all- I was trying to compile the 2.0.36 kernel on my slink system to include support for sound. I went through the make xconfig deal and typed make dep and make clean without incident. However when I tried to make zImage I got the following output: [error-text snipped] Try running dpkg -l|grep gcc, and make sure that you have gcc installed instead of/in addition to egcc. If memory serves, there are problems related to compiling the 2.0.x kernels with egcc, and so they have #error directives set up in order to disallow it. After installing gcc (assuming that it's not installed at all), you may need to do something like export CC=/usr/bin/gcc prior to building the kernel.
Re[2]: X-window client?
George wrote: Windows NT workstation. Is there a free x-windows client for windows that anyone knows of? GB Not that I know of. The closest you can come is VNC. Well, it's not quite Free, but there are a couple at Tucows (look in http://www.tucows.com/xwinservernt.htm (well, actually, you should use a local mirror, but... shrug ) ) I've used both Mi/X and the X-WinPro. The X-WinPro is better, but it's kind of crippleware. Mi/X has some limitations but is freeware. HTH. -- |Shawn Sulma, The Rigel Group |Voice/Fax: 416-698-6052 |mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __\|/__ http://www.rigelgroup.org/
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 11:07:46AM +0200, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: On debian-devel there has been talk about a better setup with dpkg-like dependancies. This is a good thing. You don't have to bother with at which priority to place a new service. You can just say this service must be started after networking and name services are available. Oh, this would really rock if it would work for xdm; if I could say only start xdm once getty has grabbed all the virtual consoles listed for this runlevel in inittab. I've got a lot of people griping at me lately because the default /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file says server 0 is on vt7. Folks who have customized /etc/inittab and added virtual consoles are upset with that default, caring not about the console lockup problems that so many other people having experienced due to xdm beating getty to the punch on vt2. -- G. Branden Robinson | Any man who does not realize that he is Debian GNU/Linux | half an animal is only half a man. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Thornton Wilder cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpdP7N4JCTBk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to Email a Binary file from the command line
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jeff Katcher wrote: Hi all I am wondering if anyone knows how to send a binary (.tar.gz) file from the command line? What about such a simple command: mpack -s Subject of the message filename recipient_address Additionally you may use the -m option to split the big binary file in the smaller chunks. It works for me very good. The mpack utility is available in the mpack package in the mail section. Hope this helps Wojtek Zabolotny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dhcpd
Hello. I cannot figure how to use the dhcpd client. Any tips ? I'm using a box that shares W95 and Linux. I recently subscribed to an Internet connexion through tv-wire. Technically, it means an Ethernet card connected to a wire-modem, and using dhcp to get all the IP address, gateway, dns server, etc ... With W95 this works fine, so I can write down the IP configuration retrieved by dhcp with W95. Then, under linux, I can configure my Ethernet card with this config, and I then get access to Internet, so it means the Ethernet card is recognized by my linux. However, at boot time, if I do an ifconfig, only the loopback address is shown and if I do an ifconfig -a, the eth0 interface appears with no IP address or configuration. When installed with dselect, the dhcpd displays no error message. I'm lost. Thanks to all in advance.
Re: Question about mounting MS-DOS partition
Thanks to those who answered my question about MS-DOS partitions. My question now is this: I can split my MS-DOS partition a second time to get Debian some more space. What would be the best way to add this partition? Should I just have it mount it on bootup? - thanks, Bill
Re: dhcpd
Hello. I cannot figure how to use the dhcpd client. Any tips ? Make sure you installed dhcpcd and NOT dhcpd. dhcpd is for servers giving out IPs, dhcpcd is for clients. If you are running a 2.2.x kernel (or late 2.1.x) get dhcpcd-sv from potato.
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
FWIW you might want to check out [EMAIL PROTECTED] (is that corny or what?). It's actually pretty neat you can do _everything_ through a browser. Download options are MS-Money, Quicken or comma delimited ASCII. Of course there are a lot of potential reasons not to like it including being used to Quicken or concerned about security or whatever. I don't use it but I might in the future. FYI, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Sorry! - http://www.netbank.com/ G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
kernel/network problem
Hi, I've got a 2.2.4 kernel, a 3c905BTX2 network card (bus matering enabled). I am using potato. My 3com card is compiled a a module. My problem is that quite often my network hangs. Usually, a ifconfig eth0 down; sh /etc/init.d/network is enough to restart it. But, why do I need to do that ? Another example, if I use tcpdump to try to find what is the problem, my network hangs in less than 2 minutes. Last time I had a problem, I had this output on the console: Mar 28 19:56:30 groumph kernel: NET4: AppleTalk 0.18 for Linux NET4.0 Mar 28 19:56:35 groumph atalkd[26784]: restart (1.4b2+asun2.1.1) Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: Oops: Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: CPU:0 Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: EIP:0010:[c48478fe] Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: EFLAGS: 00010287 Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: eax: ebx: 0001 ecx: c0d07e78 edx: Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: esi: c30e4a80 edi: c30e4a80 ebp: esp: c0d07e9c Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: Process atalkd (pid: 26784, process nr: 109, stackpage=c0d07000) Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: Stack: c30e4a80 c48453b9 c30e4a80 c0d07f5c c30e4a80 c0d07f54 c0d06000 Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel:00ec c4845b2d c30e4a80 8916 bb68 c324dd00 Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel:0002 c0d06000 c0d07f44 0001 c027ba40 40014000 c0d07f8c Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: Call Trace: [c48453b9] [c4845b2d] [sk_alloc+18/60] [d_alloc+24/336] [c4847087] [sock_ioctl+29/36] [sys_ioctl+303/328] Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel:[system_call+52/64] Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph kernel: Code: 66 8b 40 58 66 3d 05 03 74 06 66 3d 00 02 75 0e 56 e8 64 ff Mar 28 19:56:36 groumph afpd[26800]: main: atp_open: Cannot assign requested address to restart the network, I had also to do a rmmod 3c59x before the ifconfig eth0 down; sh /etc/init.d/network. Here is the output I get when my network card is loaded: Mar 28 20:01:40 groumph kernel: 3c59x.c:v0.99H 11/17/98 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html Mar 28 20:01:40 groumph kernel: eth0: 3Com 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6800, 00:a0:24:5b:2a:38, IRQ 10 Mar 28 20:01:40 groumph kernel: 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface. Mar 28 20:01:40 groumph kernel: MII transceiver found at address 24, status 786d. Mar 28 20:01:40 groumph kernel: MII transceiver found at address 0, status 786d. Mar 28 20:01:40 groumph kernel: Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives. Could DMA and/or bus mastering be the problem ? Because I get this message when booting: Mar 28 17:31:43 groumph kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1 Mar 28 17:31:43 groumph kernel: PCI: Probing PCI hardware Mar 28 17:31:43 groumph kernel: PCI: 00:38 [1106/0586]: Work around ISA DMA hangs (00) Mar 28 17:31:43 groumph kernel: Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds. Last thing: I get this problem on any distribution/kernel (slink/2.0.36 for example). Can someone help me ? Thanks in advance -- \\|// VDB gTRY Atlantis BBS. Free BBS under GNU licence (O O) OOO~(_)~oOOO~~~ :o) Available on telnet://bbs.resus.univ-mrs.fr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :-xxx Infos on http://bbs.resus.univ-mrs.fr/ ooO~Ooo ~~:-)
debian 5.2
I need to get to my debian 5.2 system from my ^^ So, is support for RedHat so poor that RH users need to ask for help from the Debian community? ;) later, Bruce
Convert FAT32 to FAT16 with windows 98.
yes i have only windows 98 installed on my computer. I was wondering if there was any way that i could convert FAT 32 back into FAT16 without reinstalling windows. Chris Smith
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
GB == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GB Because there are several commercial software packages distributed GB in RPM format for the Red Hat layout that are NOT available in GB tarball format. You can always convert a rpm to a tarball. Ciao, Martin
Re: MTA and SMTP ident
GC == G Crimp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GC I think you are right, though, that it is the list software and GC not the MTA that is silently discarding my mail. Also note that the list software doesn't see the SMTP envelope (it is not passed on final delivery). GC My From: field is not a problem (thanks mutt !) but I'll give the GC Sender header a crack and see if that makes a difference. Good Luck. It is not failure to have the Sender different from the From:-header. Actually the Sender should be the correct mailbox of the sender, even if he changes the From-header. Maybe you don't have a registred hostname for your box, and the list software tries to resolve it and fails (or such some). Ciao, Martin
Re: sources.list for slink CDs?
MH == Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: H I have two disks that have supposedly been made from the official MH distribution (i386 binary) and a third disk that contains non-free, MH non-US, gnome and some more goodies. MH How does my /etc/apt/sources.list have to look like for all packages MH being known to the system? Does apt-get prompt me to change disks MH before installing packages from a different disk? I don't think so. The multicd method in dselect should do so. Insert the second CD and do a update. If you don't mind file not found errors in apt /because it doesn't prompt you for the cd), you can try the following: Create a directory structure like on the CD (only the part until the Packages.gz file) for all the CDs ( on /mnt/cd1, /mnt/cd2 and /mnt/cd3 ) and copy the Packages.gz files to the proper locations. sources.list: deb file:/mnt/cd1/debian stable main deb file:/mnt/cd2/debian stable contrib etc. apt-get update If you then do a apt-get install blah, you will see from the file not found message, which CD to mount. (AFAIK, a proper CD method is on the TODO list for apt) Ciao, Martin
Rewrite headers using exim/sendmail?
Hi, is it a (simple) way to get headers rewritten using exim or sendmail (would prefer exim since I have it working now) to what an email client puts in the From' field? Lets say I send mail with: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] and my local account is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. What is the correct way to set up the mailer (ex im) in this situation? I even send from two different acounts from my user account on my Linux box, so the best thing would be if the mailer looked at the From set by my email client. I have looked at he exim documentation, but I am still confused. I am also pretty new to this, so bear with me. TIA Regards, Christian Dysthe Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28-Mar-99 Time: 11:56:32 UIN: 33573035 This message was sent by XFmail Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
