startx [SOLUCION]
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Re: 3D Blaster Banshee?
El Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 09:28:11PM +0200, Manuel J. Gamero Peso escribió: En un momento de sumo cabreo, me decido a desinstalar el Linux y probar con otra distribución y oh sorpresa: como elimino el LILO ya que tengo arranque dual (win y linux) con dos discos duros (uno C: el win, el otro D: el Linux) Siempre tengo que elegir a pesar de que ya no tengo linux instalado he incluso he reformateado el disco D: Si no me equivoco, arrancas con un disco DOS y haces 'fdisk /mbr' y listo. Gracias. De nada. -- Salut!! +---+ |Juanjo Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/8904 | | [Por favor quita 'NOSPAM' para responder] | | [Please remove 'NOSPAM' to reply] | +---+ | Debian GNU Linux 2.0 [2.0.34]Linux Registered User #68887 | +---+
re: 3d banshee
El Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 09:28:11PM +0200, Manuel J. Gamero Peso escribió: En un momento de sumo cabreo, me decido a desinstalar el Linux y probar con otra distribución y oh sorpresa: como elimino el LILO ya que tengo arranque dual (win y linux) con dos discos duros (uno C: el win, el otro D: el Linux) Siempre tengo que elegir a pesar de que ya no tengo linux instalado he incluso he reformateado el disco D: Si no me equivoco, arrancas con un disco DOS y haces 'fdisk /mbr' y listo. No funciona asi, tienes que arrancar con el rescue de Linux y hacer el fdisk desde ahi Gracias. De nada. Saludos
Re: Pregunta descolgada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me pueden decir donde están los diseños del logotipo de Debian para verlos? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Lo he encontrado en la siguiente direccion: http://contest.gimp.org/ Sin embargo, parece que las paginas estan retiradas momentaneamente. En cualquier caso, esa es la direccion oficial (creo). It's not too late to turn back from the Gates of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery)
Re: Enseñar linux escuela
juanma wrote: Resulta que hay una escuela que quiere montar un aula informática nueva. Mi proposición es que se instale una red linux (debian of course) y que se Por que Debian? ;-) (Un poco en broma y un poco en serio, mi fanatismo no llega a tanto, aunque tenga preferencia [y no por debian]) les enseñe desde ahí, pero hay otro linuxero que se opone porque dice que es difícil enseñar esto y que a la postre no resulta práctico porque: a.- en casa los niños tienen windows. b.- windows tiene juegos más modernos. c.- linux es estremadamente difícil d.- el profesor de física no se querrá meter en jaleos y querrá dar lo que siempre ha dado (windows). Mi problema es que soy a lo mejor demasiado soñador y poco práctico. La verdad es que enseñar linux acarrea un importante esfuerzo. Por eso pido vuestra opinión y por favor que sea lo más objetiva posible. Mi recomendacion es esta, y como podras ver va mas alla de Linux o no Linux, en efecto daria mas o menos lo mismo Free BSD o lo que quieras: 1) Instalar Windows y Linux 2) Ense#ar los rudimentos de Linux 3) Mostrar las coincidencias y diferencias entre distintos sistemas 4) Demostrar que informatica no es sinonimo de Windows, que hay alternativas y que ellos tienen el derecho y la libertad de elegir, segun sus necesidades (Windows no es panacea, pero Linux, tampoco).
Re: Interacción de NT y Linux
Manuel Jerez Cßrdenes wrote: Hola a todos, mi pregunta es muy sencillita, ¿es posible desde Linux montar una partición que tiene un sistema de ficheros NTFS? Un saludo. Creo que recientemente se dispone de un driver, no me acuerdo mas detalles
Blender
Alguien ha intentado usar el Blender? Parece bastante potente (y si efectivamente lo hicieron para hacer animaciones para maquinas de videojuego, se supone que debe serlo), pero me tropiezo con dos problemas bastante raros: Utiliza ventanas al estilo frames de www (o ventanas de emacs, o de SmallTalk, o de QuickBasic, ya entienden, no ventanas independientes sino subdivisiones de una misma ventana), se puede agregar una ventana haciendo click en el borde que separa las ventanas, luego se divide la ventana activa en forma perpendicular a dicho borde. Que pasa si quiero dividir en el otro sentido? No puedo, no tiene bordes al costado para poder hacerlo. Incluso cuando arranca pone tres ventanas horizontales, si por error cierras una, no puedes recuperarla. La otra cuestion es respecto a los modelos en si. He visto que tiene metaballs (Si alguno no lo sabe, es como usar pegotes de arcilla), entonces empiezo a armar algo y va bien, pero si quiero crear un segundo objeto con metaballs, obtengo un objeto compuesto por las esferas de control (yo no conocia el sistema, pero usa unos esferas/circulos (una por pegote) de control que es lo que uno manipula, de ahi los pegotes se acomodan solos, algo asi como las palancas de las curvas de Bezier), pero la parte del modelo en si, los pegotes, aparecen solidarios con el primer objeto. Es decir, si acerco mucho dos objetos distintos se funden como si fueran uno, todos los objetos de metaballs poseen el mismo color (le asigno el color que quiero, pero toman el color del primer objeto). Concluyendo, la gente de NeoGeo lo libero por no valer gran cosa, o que sucede aqui?
Re: Cachondeo, cachondeo total de benchmarks
Arregui-García, Javier wrote: Hola a todos. Esto es alucinante: comparad estas dos direcciones web: http://www.gcs.bc.ca/bem/editorials/nts4rhlinux.shtml http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/nts4rhlinux.html Son EXACTAMENTE los mismos resultados del benchmark, pero en un caso el bueno es NT y en el otro, el bueno es Linux. Cuando digo los mismos resultados, me refiero a las mismas gráficas (datos exactos, colores exactos, ...) pero con los nombres intercambiados. Si alguno encuentra alguna explicación o sabe algo más de esta vergonzosa comparación, por favor, que lo postee, que me muero de curiosidad. Justamente un rato antes de ponerme a leer me entere del asunto, de la mano del amigo Alan Cox: (http://www.uk.linux.org). Lo que se al respecto es que estos se#ores de Mindcraft testificaron en el juicio de MS que NT es MUY SUPERIOR a Linux. Podria suponer que es una cuestion de poder decir Ups! nos equivocamos aunque Micro$oft ganaria el premio del cinico del milenio corriente y del proximo a la vez si lo hiciera despues del asunto del video de laboratorio que muestra una descollante performance del IE4.
Re: Programación de sockets.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En la facultad tengo que hacer un trabajo practico que consiste en programar un juego, el PAC-MAN (se acuerdan?), para poder jugarlo en red. Me dijeron que vamos a usar sockets, y quería saber donde puedo encontrar algo de info al respecto, aunque sea de que se trata el tema. Supongo que debe haber varios tipos de sockets, así que por ahora necesitaría algo de info sobre el tema en general, y después les comento sobre que en particular y como va el desarrollo. En las paginas man: man 2 socket man 2 bind man 2 accept man 2 listen En la documentacion de la libc info libc
Fortify.
Hola, me he bajado los paquetes fortify-linux-x86_1.3.0-2.deb fortify_1.3.0-2.deb Haciendo un `dpkg --info' la nota menciona que es para netscape navigator (v3) y netscape communicator (v4). Tengo instalado el Netscape Lite 4.5/Export, 13-Oct-98; (c) 1995-1998 Netscape Communications Corp. ¿Alguien sabe si son compatibles? Saludos. -- Cosme = -=-=- A través de Debian GNU/Linux -=-=- -=-=- Software Libre -=-=- -=-=- Computadora de 1992 -=-=- http://www.linux.org/ S.O. Multi-[plataforma, tarea, usuario] http://www.gnu.org/Free Software Foundation http://lucas.hispalinux.es/ Documentación en Castellano =
Escoger fuente Xterm (Re: Tamaño de las letras de XTerm)
El Thu, Mar 25, 1999, Marcelo E. Magallon... Andres Seco Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tengo la pantalla de 1024x768 y el XTerm me queda muy chiquitito. Me mola conservar ese tamaño ya que cabe de todo dentro y los dibujos se ven muy bien, pero me gustaria usar XTerm mas grande, para poder leer dentro de el (ahora tengo que ponerme gafas para ello). Es realmente sencillo: la fuente es 'XTerm*Font'; nada más arranca xfontsel, selecciona una fuente que te guste (las fuentes que te _sirven_ son las `fixed'), pincha `select' (creo que así se llama), y selecciona en el xterm con C-mb3, `selection'; eso cambiará la fuente del xterm a la fuente seleccionada en xfontsel. Una vez que estás satisfecho, crea ~/.Xresources y pon: XTerm*Font: lo que tienes de xfontsel, lo sacas con mb2 (eso es de memoria, pero creo que es así) Listo, recarga los recursos de X (xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources), y el próximo xterm debería arrancar con tu fuente. Hola, he probado, pero no me funciona. Con `xfontsel' acabé eligiendo lo siguiente, que tego puesto en el `~/.Xresources': = ! ~/.Xresources personalizado (y conciso) XTerm*Font: -misc-fixed-medium-*-normal-*-200-*-*-*-0-iso8859-1 = Pero si miramos el `~/.xsession-errors': = xterm: unable to open font -misc-fixed-medium-*-normal-*-200-*-*-*-0-iso8859-1, trying fixed = ¿Es por lo que decías de (las fuentes que te _sirven_ son las `fixed') ? Desde luego no tengo ningún fichero con un nombre como ese, pero pensé que se interpretava. Por otro lado, supongo que `xfontsel' escoge entre lo disponible, ¿no? Bueno, pues haber si alguno puede ayudarme. Saludos. -- Cosme = -=-=- A través de Debian GNU/Linux -=-=- -=-=- Software Libre -=-=- -=-=- Computadora de 1992 -=-=- http://www.linux.org/ S.O. Multi-[plataforma, tarea, usuario] http://www.gnu.org/Free Software Foundation http://lucas.hispalinux.es/ Documentación en Castellano =
DEBIAN 2.1 + ACCESO REMOTO
Hola a todos, He montado una red interna en Debian 2.1 en una oficina. Pero me resulta imposible acudir cada vez que hay problemas o desean hacer cambios en ella. No encuentro el método apropiado y que no fuese un agujero serio de seguridad para poder acceder, cambiar a superusuario y poderlo hacer. Por favor, pueden ayudarme? Un saludo. Angel
Re: Enseñar linux escuela
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 11:45:34PM -0300, Julio Cesar Gazquez wrote: juanma wrote: Resulta que hay una escuela que quiere montar un aula informática nueva. Mi proposición es que se instale una red linux (debian of course) y que se Por que Debian? ;-) (Un poco en broma y un poco en serio, mi fanatismo no llega a tanto, aunque tenga preferencia [y no por debian]) les enseñe desde ahí, pero hay otro linuxero que se opone porque dice que es difícil enseñar esto y que a la postre no resulta práctico porque: Mi recomendacion es esta, y como podras ver va mas alla de Linux o no Linux, en efecto daria mas o menos lo mismo Free BSD o lo que quieras: 1) Instalar Windows y Linux 2) Ense#ar los rudimentos de Linux 3) Mostrar las coincidencias y diferencias entre distintos sistemas 4) Demostrar que informatica no es sinonimo de Windows, que hay alternativas y que ellos tienen el derecho y la libertad de elegir, segun sus necesidades (Windows no es panacea, pero Linux, tampoco). Yo tambien estoy montando quiero montar un aula de informatica con Debian. Pasate por http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/calc/523. Mi idea es montarla SOLO con debian, y evitarme los problemas de los virus, de las intalaciones de cosas raras en windows, los bugs habituales, etcétera. Saludos, y a tu disposicion. Luis Arocha
Re: Hacer que el ordenador NO pite (Re: Hacer que el ordenador pite)
El Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 09:27:05PM +0200, Hue-Bond contaba: setterm -blength 25 -bfreq 150 Y ya no molesta tanto de noche. Si le pones -blength 0 se anula del todo, pero ya que puedes cambiarlo y ponerlo como quieras... Tengo un Script que saca el pitido en X y en terminal (aunque os recuerdo que las terminales virtuales hay que desactivarselo una a una). -- bell - #!/bin/sh # # Activa o desactiva la visual bell while [ $# -ne 0 ]; do case $1 in -h|--help) echo Este Script activa y desativa el pitido echo Opciones disponibles: echo echo -h --help muestra esa pantalla de ayuda echo on activa el pitido echo off desactiva el pitido echo exit ;; on|ON|On|oN) [ $DISPLAY ] xset b on setterm -bfreq 220 ;; off|OFF|Off) [ $DISPLAY ] xset b off setterm -bfreq 0 ;; esac shift done exit 0 --- -- Saudos: ose[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vigo/Galicia/España) http://pagina.de/xmanoel/ http://w3.to/mikkeli/
Re: DEBIAN 2.1 + KERNEL 2.2.6!!!
* Replying to an article in DEBIAN. Correcaminos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ¿Tiene alguna ventaja sobre el método tradicional? Lo digo por que yo siempre lo he usado, y salvo errores míos, nunca he tenido problemas C Mira como compilo yo los kernel ... [peaso Script que me acabo de guardar] ¡Hum! ¿Y los módulos? -- Ignasi Modolell - Barcelona TeamOS/2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key Available ... Ya está. Punto final. No hago más TAGs, total, para que me los robéis...
RV: Interacción de NT y Linux
Yo lo he logrado actualizando el kernel a la version 2.2.1 Trae incorporado en el kernel el soporte para tipo de particion NTFS (read-only). Como experimental y a riesgo de uno existe la opcion de montarla rw ( esto no lo he probado ) -Mensaje original- De: Manuel Jerez Cßrdenes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Viernes 23 de Abril de 1999 11:12 Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org CC: recipient.list.not.shown Asunto: Interacción de NT y Linux Hola a todos, mi pregunta es muy sencillita, ¿es posible desde Linux montar una partición que tiene un sistema de ficheros NTFS? Un saludo. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Interfaz dummy
Hola, Estoy intentando utilizar la interfaz dummy, pero no se por donde empezar a configurarla. Alguien me puede echar una mano?.
Re: DEBIAN 2.1 + KERNEL 2.2.6!!!
de Ignasi Modolell el Sat, Apr 24, 1999 a las 12:28:57AM +0100 X-Sistema-Operativo: Linux elsa 2.2.6 X-Buscador-Linux: http://search.gulic.org/ X-Agradecimientos: A mi mujer... X-PGP: Buscar en http://www.gulic.org/ El Sat, Apr 24, 1999 a las 12:28:57AM +0100, Ignasi Modolell dijo: * Replying to an article in DEBIAN. Correcaminos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ¿Tiene alguna ventaja sobre el método tradicional? Lo digo por que yo siempre lo he usado, y salvo errores míos, nunca he tenido problemas C Mira como compilo yo los kernel ... [peaso Script que me acabo de guardar] ¡Hum! ¿Y los módulos? No te preocupes, que van incluidos :-) Solo has de instalar los paquetes... =8 ___ _ _ / ___|_ _| (_) ___ Grupo de Usuarios de LInux de Canarias | | _| | | | | |/ __| Pasate por nuestro web | |_| | |_| | | | (__ http://www.gulic.org/ \|\__,_|_|_|\___| Clave PGP en las paginas de Gulic =8
Re: DEBIAN 2.1 + ACCESO REMOTO
de_=C1?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ngel_Carrasco_el_Sat=2C_Apr_24=2C_1999_a_las_09:47:39AM_+?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?0200?= X-Sistema-Operativo: Linux elsa 2.2.6 X-Buscador-Linux: http://search.gulic.org/ X-Agradecimientos: A mi mujer... X-PGP: Buscar en http://www.gulic.org/ El Sat, Apr 24, 1999 a las 09:47:39AM +0200, Ángel Carrasco dijo: Hola a todos, He montado una red interna en Debian 2.1 en una oficina. Pero me resulta imposible acudir cada vez que hay problemas o desean hacer cambios en ella. No encuentro el método apropiado y que no fuese un agujero serio de seguridad para poder acceder, cambiar a superusuario y poderlo hacer. Por favor, pueden ayudarme? Hombre, así de repente, te podrías poner el mgetty para poder entrar, limitandolo para evitar reintentos muy seguidos de acceso, y entrar utilizando el 'ssh'. No es la pnacea en seguridad, pero es lo suficientemente seguro como para ponerselo MUY COMPLICADO a cualguiera. Echandole imaginación, podrías ponerte un scritp en esa maquina que hiciese lo contrario, es decir, que cuando hubiesen problemas, que fueran ellos los que te llamaran. ¡¡¡ Tu mismo !!! (por cierto, asi te ahorras teléfono...) =8 ___ _ _ / ___|_ _| (_) ___ Grupo de Usuarios de LInux de Canarias | | _| | | | | |/ __| Pasate por nuestro web | |_| | |_| | | | (__ http://www.gulic.org/ \|\__,_|_|_|\___| Clave PGP en las paginas de Gulic =8
Re: ayuda sobre doc-debian-es
Instala el paquete manpages-es. Están allí, además para verlas tendrás que poner tu locale en español. Hay un HOWTO en español (instala doc-linux-es) que explica como hacer todo esto. Javi On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 04:24:00PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Hice el dpkg -i doc-debian-es.deb Pero no he visto como puedo usar los man en español, pueden indicarme que debo hacer o que me debo leer para lograrlo Saludos y garcias - Humberto Morell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: ayuda sobre doc-debian-es
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hola Hice el dpkg -i doc-debian-es.deb Pero no he visto como puedo usar los man en español, pueden indicarme que debo hacer o que me debo leer para lograrlo dpkg -L doc-debian-esTe dice lo que ha montado. Veras que está en /usr/doc/LANG/es/HOWTO
Re: Enseñar linux escuela
On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Correcaminos wrote: [...] Estamos hablando de aprender informática, de todas formas no siempre los juegos mas modernos son los mas entretenidos. :-) Es cierto. A mi hija, con 5 años, le encanta el xonix. De todas formas, en el campo de los juegos, habrá que esperar un poco para tener la variedad que existe en otros sistemas. Es un terreno que no se puede descuidar, aunque parezca banal. Estoy de acuerdo contigo pero más que juegos lo que se necesita es software educativo infantil de calidad y por supuesto multimedia que es lo que gusta a los críos. Para Windows abunda. (El gran atlas del pequeño aventurero, Trampolin, Oceanos,...) Creo que esto solo puede llegar de momento de la mano de empresas privadas como el Grupo Zeta, Anaya Multimedia, y bueno Oceanos es de M$ así que por aqui no es probable ) Lo malo es que ni siquiera parece que se estén haciendo cosas más modestas. Creo que para produccir soft multimedia harían falta herramientas que no se si existen en Linux. --- En caso de contestar a la lista mandame copia personal. /\ /\ Los mas importantes desarrolladores de Bases de datos \\W//están portando sus productos a Linux. Porque crees tu _|0 0|_ que será ?Yo creo que Linux es el futuro. +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher | | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro.[EMAIL PROTECTED] | +()()()--()()()--+
Re: Blender
Julio Cesar Gazquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Concluyendo, la gente de NeoGeo lo libero por no valer gran cosa, o que sucede aqui? Ah... no. Blender _es_ la gran cosa. Disculpa que lo diga de esta forma, pero creo que te vendría muy bien comprar el manual. Puedes comenzar en el sitio de Blender y mira en la parte de documentación. Hay algunos tutoriales, y creo que podrían aclarar las dudas que tienes. Blender tiene una interface, digamos, exótica (se amolda muy bien al programa, pero no es la cosa más usual) Marcelo
Re: DEBIAN 2.1 + ACCESO REMOTO
On Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 09:47:39AM +0200, Ángel Carrasco wrote: Hola a todos, He montado una red interna en Debian 2.1 en una oficina. Pero me resulta imposible acudir cada vez que hay problemas o desean hacer cambios en ella. No encuentro el método apropiado y que no fuese un agujero serio de seguridad para poder acceder, cambiar a superusuario y poderlo hacer. Hola. No acabo de entender bien el problema, pero por lo que dices, podrías hacerlos con ssh y/o telnet seguro. Con esto puedes acceder en modo remoto sin problemas de seguridad. -- Un Saludo Han Solo The Rebel Alliance Conecto, luego existo. Desconecto, luego insisto. Soy usuario de infobirria+ P.D. La firma no es mía, sino de uno que trabajaba, precisamente, en M$. Vivir para ver.
Re: ¿Para cuando debian 2.2? y crítica a debian
On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Barbwired wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Miguel Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -¿Para cuando se podrá debian de acuerdo con el resto de distribuciones en un sistema de paquetes común, en una organización del sistema de ficheros comúm, etc? Otra vez: ¿cuál es la solución ténicamente correcta para un problema particular? Muchos piensan que el formato .deb _es_ la solución correcta. Nadie va a dejar botado el formato de paquetes así como así. Me gustaría añadir algo a ésto. Creo que en Debian apuestan firmemente por la creación de stándares, por ejemplo, en la jerarquía del árbol de directorios, en la instalación de paquetes en ciertos sitios y no en otros, en el mapa de teclado... La jerarquía de árbol de directorios, según creo, es un proyecto común no específico de debian. Debian es la que mas lo respeta. o eso he entendido yo leyendo /usr/doc/debian /usr/doc/debian-policy... etc Y creo que van por el buen camino, sin ser en absoluto incompatible con otras distribuciones. Pero una cosa es sacar estándares cuando no los hay, y otra cuando ya los hay. Debian hace muy bien en dar su alternativa cuando no hay alternativas o cuando las alternativas que hay son muy malas. Saludos. :-) -- Miguel Gil ** Dirección correo electrónico: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** WEB: Humor Informático Hispano ** * URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/2062/index.html * ### Powered by Linux (debian 2.0) ###
Re: ¿Para cuando debian 2.2? y crítica a debian
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: Miguel Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ¿Para cuando se publicará la debian 2.2? ¿Para el verano? Siguiente versión de Debian: potato. Si se llama o no se llama Debian 2.2, no está decidido. ¿Para el verano? -¿Xfree 3.3.x? Sí, ya hay paquetes probándose. -¿kernel 2.2.x? Err... no sé honestamente. Debian 2.1 funciona con el kernel 2.2, pocas son las cosas que no lo hacen. -¿postgres 6.5? no sé. -¿samba 2.0? es probable. -¿kde 1.1? si cambian su dichosa licencia, sí. -¿una distribución de gnome decente? [ omitiré el comentario sobre el adjetivo ] Me refiero a que hasta hace bien poco no había paquetes debian de gnome y por tanto no lo podías probar de una forma fácil. Con kde no paso eso y los usuarios pudimos disfrutar de versiones alpha lo que seguramente ayudo mucho a los de kde a descubrir errores. Ya hay paquetes para GNOME 1.0.x (creo que x = 6) -¿Incluirá el famoso sustituto del dselect? ¿Qué es la fijación con esto? A lo mejor, a lo mejor no. Hay varios funcionando, así que la posibilidad existe. Ya lo comenté en el mensaje, cuando tienes que elegir entre 1500 paquetes y además tienes el interface del dselect, sea hace muy pesado elegir los programas. ¿Por que no utilizar el mismo sistema que utiliza la propia debian para elegir los modulos? -¿mozilla? Pregúntale a la gente de Mozilla, no a Debian. Hay paquetes para mozilla en slink. Visto así, no podría preguntar por ningún paquete ni por nada: Todo esta relacionado y nada o casi nada es solamente especifico de debian. -¿esta pensado para funcionar con 4mb? ¿Sigue habiendo disquetes de instalación para sistemas con 4mb de ram? Entiendo que Debian 2.1 arranca en estas condiciones, no veo por qué la situación pueda cambiar. Bueno en la 2.0 se necesitaba crear un conjunto de disquetes especiales. Crear esos disquetes cuesta un tiempo y debian podría haber decidido aprovechar el tiempo en otra cosa. -Se supone que debian 2.0 se retrasó tanto, por que había migrar de libc correcto. había que portar debian a varias arquitecturas `había que' es un poco exagerado. Eso se decía. Al menos eso me decían a mi. y también por que se necesitaba un sustituto decente al dselect y sin embargo no salió ningún sustituto al dselect otra vez, `necesitaba' es un poco exagerado. -¿por que casi todas las versiones de debian suponen un cambio dramático? es la velocidad a la cual la comunidad se mueve. En potato se ha introducido glibc 2.1, lo cual supone un trauma menos severo que la introducción de glibc 2.0. Además, la versión de Sparc de Debian 2.1 _ya_ utiliza glibc 2.1, así que algunas de las cosas ya han sido probadas. Debian es un proyecto de voluntarios que trabajan en lo que les gusta. En el momento que deje de gustarles, dejan de trabajar. Yo he experimentado en carne propia lo que es quemarse con un paquete: simplemente ya no te quedan ganas de seguir trabajando. Fuera del proyecto también he visto a algunos desarrolladores perder el gusto por lo que hacen pues por una razón u otra deja de ser divertido (por ejemplo, cuando la gente comienza a _demandar_ que se hagan cosas) Es comprensible. ¿no se podrían sacar versiones que simplemente supusieran una actualización de los paquetes. Sí, se podría. Se ha discutido varias veces en debian-devel. La pregunta siempre es ¿a qué grupo de desarrolladores le gustará ese proyecto? Bueno, también es cierto que es muy poco divertido para un desarrollador, el que el paquete que en una versión funcionaba en la siguiente ya no lo haga y que lo tenga que volver a preparar. El mantenimiento es aburrido y si ya lo es cuando el programador original cambia la versión, mas aún debe serlo si es debido a otras razones. Un problema muy gordo en debian, es que si tienes la versión 2.0 y quieres la última versión de un paquete y resulta que está esta preparada para la debian 2.1, puede que no puedas actualizar sin actualizar toda la debian. Perdón, pero pongo en duda eso. Sí un paquete depende de algo, debe declarar esa dependencia. Si no la declara, es un `bug.' Por ejemplo, wmaker depende de `debianutils (= 1.6)'. Esa dependencia está allí por un motivo, y seguirá estando allí mientras el paquete exista o yo cambie algo para eliminarla. Ahora, si te refieres a los casos en los cuales cambiar una biblioteca implica cambiar más de un paquete, bueno, eso es diferente. Nosotros no controlamos lo que la gente de más arriba hace. Si los desarrolladores de tal o cual biblioteca compartida son suficientemente tercos como para cambiar la interface binaria sin cambiar el nombre de la biblioteca, bueno, hay que tratar de encontrar una solución, pero nos enfrentamos a un predicamento: ¿cuál es la forma técnicamente correcta de hacer las cosas sin romper la compatibilidad binaria con otras distribuciones? El problema es dificil de
Re: DEBIAN 2.1 + ACCESO REMOTO
Ángel Carrasco wrote: Hola a todos, He montado una red interna en Debian 2.1 en una oficina. Pero me resulta imposible acudir cada vez que hay problemas o desean hacer cambios en ella. No encuentro el método apropiado y que no fuese un agujero serio de seguridad para poder acceder, cambiar a superusuario y poderlo hacer. Por favor, pueden ayudarme? Un saludo. Angel -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Hola, Angel: Yo tambien tengo montado un par de servidores montados en dos compagnias, y casi siempre accedo a ellos desde casa usando ssh. Me parece que lo puedes bajar practicamente desde cualquier servidor FTP que se precie. Eso si, ten cuidadito con la version 2.1 porque causa algunos problems si intentas conectar al daemon usando un cliente ssh en version 1.2.25 o menor. No obstante, si instlas ssh 1.2.26 no deberia causar mayores problemas. Dejanos saber como te va con este sistema. Nitebirdz -- It's not too late to turn back from the Gates of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery)
Re: DE TAR.GZ A DEB
El viernes 23 de abril de 1999 a la(s) 10:48:08 +0200, Agustín Martín Domingo contaba: Mirándolo. Si el paquete se llama paquete.tar.gz miras su contenido. Si el contenido es del tipo /etc /usr Y si el .tar.gz ocupa 20 Mb te lo has de bajar antes :-/ Yo opino que los FTPs decentes deberían incluir un archivo FILES donde se describa qué es cada archivo. Así, aunque tu método no es malo, nos evitamos bajárnoslo. email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.world In love with TuX. Linux 2.2.6 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc
Re: Problema con deselect
El viernes 23 de abril de 1999 a la(s) 11:36:24 +0200, Antonio Castro contaba: ::Preparing to replace libncurses4 4.2-3 (using .../base/libncurses4_4.2-3.deb) ... ::Unpacking replacement libncurses4 ... ::dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libncurses4: :: libncurses4 depends on libc6 (= 2.0.7u-6); however: :: Package libc6 is not configured yet. ::dpkg: error processing libncurses4 (--install): :: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured ::Errors were encountered while processing: :: libncurses4 Package libc6 is not configured yet. Prueba con 'dpkg --configure libc6' a ver qué tal va. Asegúrate de tener la versión que te pide, 2.0.7u-6. :: util-linux pre-depends on libncurses4 :: libncurses4 is unpacked, but has never been configured. Claro, unos dependen de otros y tal y cual. Lo del efecto bola de nieve tiene su parte de razón, aunque para actualizar los paquetes para el kernel 2.2.0 la bola no se me hizo muy grande. Sin embargo, siendo libc6 lo que falla, la cosa cambia... ::Please insert one of the following disks: ::Debian 2.1-stable (slink), disk 2 (bin-more) [1999-04-19/11:27]. ::Press ENTER when ready. Me fío más poco de esto... (a pesar de la gente que tiene los ojos cuadrados de currar en ello, yo no lo acabo de tener claro). Tantas cosas que no van me han decidido a borrarlo todo y recuperar todo el sistema para volver a empezar. Eso sería caer tan bajo como windows ;-) ¿Lo harás? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.world In love with TuX. Linux 2.2.6 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc
Re: Tripwire
El viernes 23 de abril de 1999 a la(s) 00:19:44 +0200, Han Solo contaba: ¿Comorl? Si Debian es la distribución más segura pensé que incluiría este programa pero veo que no. ¿Alguien me lo explica?. Yo lo he visto por el non-us (¿o era en el non-free?) Está en non-free. Supongo que es así a causa de los algoritmos de firmado que incorpora. -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Registered User no. 87069 http://come.to/Hue-Bond.world In love with TuX. Linux 2.2.6 PGP Public key at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_pubkey.asc
Re: Interacción de NT y Linux
Julio Cesar Gazquez wrote: Manuel Jerez Cßrdenes wrote: Hola a todos, mi pregunta es muy sencillita, ¿es posible desde Linux montar una partición que tiene un sistema de ficheros NTFS? Un saludo. Creo que recientemente se dispone de un driver, no me acuerdo mas detalles -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Si que hay un driver, aunque unicamente te permite leer la particion NTFS. De momento no parece ser posible escribir. Si lees ingles, echale un vistazo a esta pagina (lo siento, pero no pude encontrar nada en castellano): http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~loewis/ntfs/ Nitebirdz -- It's not too late to turn back from the Gates of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery)
Problemas com som
Ola a todos , gostaria de saber como configurar uma placa de som pnp(ja configurada no isapnp) para ser utilizada no KDE Obrigado Rodrigo Cesar Herefeld Nós gatos já nascemos pobres, porém já nascemos livres Senhor, senhora ou senhoria, felino não reconhecerá _ http://www.zipmail.com.br O e-mail que vai aonde você está. _
Re: Diald Installation and Setup
Russell Rademacher wrote: It seems it is little frustrating here on getting good answers on trying to get the diald working. So... how about someone giving me a step by step on their setup to get the diald working and the copies of the files related to it so I can just edit the phone number and the device setting so I can see if it works here. Basically...what I am looking for is this. I have Slip, PPP and diald installed along with ethernet card in it. I am planning to have MASQ working after the diald part is set. The pon setting is working fine and it works great. It does connect and disconnect using ttyS1 for the modem. What I need to know is how to make it work using the dynamic IP allocation by using the box itself and by the network by diald. So I appreciate if someone give me complete set of files that you have that make yours work including the files in the /etc and /etc/diald section that is related to diald. That includes the IP addressing, network settings and the setup relating to it like hosts, hosts.conf, resolv.conf and ifconfig settings. One of those areas are what making it not work properly as it should. Some people have said about remote and local IP address setting and such, but it is not exactly clear. So. I appreciate it if someone actually make a tarball of all files that is related to it so I can study it and make a few changes to it like the phone number and the device setting and then let me try it from there. Then it should show me what is going wrong with what I did in the first place. I really need to get this working and finished today. Thanks and hope to hear some replies on this so maybe... a new update on the diald documentations/FAQ might be in order to make this problems from coming up again with successfull manual PPP connection. Hmm, ok, I've just written a German manual. Let's rephrase it in english then. Requirements: diald, ppp, pppconfig, slip driver within the kernel Run pppconfig to set up your ppp configuration for use with pon/poff. If that runs, go ahead and take a look at diald. For some reason there is one file missing in /etc/diald/ which is diald.conf. But: There is a proper example in /usr/doc/diald/examples. Just uncompiress it: zcat /usr/doc/diald/examples/diald.options.gz /etc/diald/diald.options and edit it. For DynIP with PPP change the local and remote addresses to something else, e.g. like: local 192.168.0.1 remote 192.168.0.2 You'll have to add the username for ppp as extracted from /etc/ppp/peers/provider pppd-options noauth user benutzername And you'll have to exchange the connect/disconnect command like: connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider disconnect /usr/bin/poff provider Now restart diald with sh /etc/init.d/diald restart I hope it works. :) Regards, Joey PS: I wonder if there are problems with diald 0.16.5 and Linux kernel 2.2.x -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: Daylight Savings Time
Greg Frye [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want my machine to ignore daylight savings. I get no manual entry for 'man tzconfig' and command not found for 'tzconfig'. Is there another way to configure timezone and disable daylight savings? I am running Debian 1.3 (is that the problem?). In my bo machine, tzconfig is at /usr/sbin/tzconfig. /usr/sbin is usually not in a user's path. Try ls -l /usr/sbin/tzconfig to see if its there. I'm not sure if it requires root permissions to execute it (it doesn't on my machine, but I have changed a lot of permissions, since I am the only user). The time stamp on your message shows -0800. I believe your best solution would be to choose `posixrules' from the tzconfig. In potato, at least, posixrules are backward from the usual time spec - GST-10 is a zone named GST that is 10 hours ahead (east) of UTC. Therefore, GST+8 is a time eight hours behind (west of) GMT. HTH Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Re: which - not working while user
Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My daughter cannot get her exim to send mail. When I asked her to type exim -d4 messageid as user, she got bash: exim: command not found I then asked her to type which exim and she reported that nothing happens. When she logs in as root it works: /usr/sbin/exim When she works as normal user, nothing in the /usr/sbin directory shows up when she uses which. Her permissions are like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 5120 Apr 5 12:39 sbin/ On my system I do not experience the same problem. We both have hamm installed. I believe `which' checks for executables in your path. /sbin and /usr/sbin are usually not included in a normal user's path, but are in root's path. HTH Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
Re: Diald Problems
John Hasler wrote: Russell Rademacher writes: What is the main purpose of slip running in the background? What is it supposed to be listening so it can detect the network request packet and then actually start dialing? Diald creates a SLIP interface, makes it the defaultroute, and connects it to a pty. Diald then listens to the other end of the pty. When you send a A pty? I thought it was a FIFO. Diald is either an elegant design or an ugly kludge. Hee hee Regards, Joey -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: Diald Installation and Setup
I wrote: For some reason there is one file missing in /etc/diald/ which is diald.conf. But: There is a proper example in /usr/doc/diald/examples. This should read diald.options, it's late already... Regards, Joey -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: diald and ip address
First of all: Learn how to split up lines, please! Chris Hoover wrote: I was wondering what file I should modify so that diald will email me my ip address when it goes on line? I've tried adding it to the /etc/diald/ip-up file (I believe that is where it is, but I'm not at my machine right now), and it did not work. Well, yes, /etc/dial/ip-up is the proper file, but you have to enable its use. The example diald.options file from /usr/doc/diald/examples/ contains these lines: # These two scripts must be executable. #ip-up /etc/diald/ip-up #ip-down /etc/diald/ip-down Thus they're probably not activated yet. So uncomment them and place something like ifconfig |mail -s I'm online now root in the ip-up script. Regards, Joey -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: Lothar Project
see below NatePuri Certified Law Student Debian GNU/Linux Monk McGeorge School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ompages.com On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Emergency Page wrote: Quoting George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Brian Schramm wrote: Sorry I forgot the url: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/lothar/ The trouble is that Lothar requires X and GTK to be installed already. What is the beef against using some of Red Hat's GPL tools like Disk Druid? Would there be a way to use the RedHat hardware identifier? I do not want to use the install from RedHat but the card ID system is farly complete for the main stuff. Sound could be better but that is just an improvement and not a new idea. All of that would work in CLI mode. BTW, I have yet to have the disk druid work right on any of my machines that I have installed RedHat on so that might not be a good program to use. I too have never had disk druid work correctly. The issue to be solved is not partitioning, but device detection. RH does this well. Let's steal it... (I'm not a developer so I can't make calls). But it seems to me to be a logical idea. Brian -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: diald question
John Hasler wrote: Pollywog writes: Do I need *both* a diald.conf and a diald.options? diald.conf? I don't have one, nor does the diald man page mention it. But it's included in /usr/doc/diald/examples which seems to be misleading. But apparently you're not the maintainer. Why do I always think you are? Hope we can work on pppconfig together. Regards, Joey -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: Favorite WP/Office software...
Sami Dalouche wrote: I tried WP too but i don't like it because it's toolkit is motif... It's slow, not free (WP is not too, but it's not a reason) and buggy. Will WP convert their office suite into gnome or KDE ? They aren't even planning to port it to libc6 from libc5. So, GNOME or KDE support is unlikely. -- Ed C.
Re: Is ssh 2 incompatible with ssh 1?
On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:28:14 +0200, you wrote: Work is being done to implement the version 2 protocol as free software (GPLed); see http://www.net.lut.ac.uk/psst/ ; contributors to this project are welcome. However, I have been told that lsh uses scheme which is not free in a Debian sense. Thus, lsh will not yield a true free version of ssh which is what the world _urgently_ needs. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
pam-pwdb + NIS + ssh
I noticed that the latest version of ssh in potato introduced PAM support and totally screwed up ssh for me. It created an /etc/pam.d/ssh file with the following contents: #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_pwdb.so shadow auth required pam_nologin.so accountrequired pam_pwdb.so password required pam_cracklib.so password required pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok use_authtok sessionrequired pam_pwdb.so I can no longer ssh into the machine. When I comment out the first three lines (the 2 auth and account entries), ssh works once again. When it doesn't work, the following gets written into /var/log/auth.log: Apr 23 15:30:15 chinook PAM_pwdb[27754]: check pass; user unknown Apr 23 15:30:18 chinook PAM_pwdb[27754]: check pass; user unknown I'm using NIS, so I'm not sure if pam_pwdb supports it. If so, does anyone know how to configure it? Thanks, Max -- The hopeful depend on a world without end Whatever the hopeless may say Neil Peart, 1985 pgp01rC04KdeR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pam-pwdb + NIS + ssh
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Max wrote: I noticed that the latest version of ssh in potato introduced PAM support and totally screwed up ssh for me. It created an /etc/pam.d/ssh file with the following contents: #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_pwdb.so shadow auth required pam_nologin.so accountrequired pam_pwdb.so password required pam_cracklib.so password required pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok use_authtok sessionrequired pam_pwdb.so I can no longer ssh into the machine. When I comment out the first three lines (the 2 auth and account entries), ssh works once again. When it doesn't work, the following gets written into /var/log/auth.log: Apr 23 15:30:15 chinook PAM_pwdb[27754]: check pass; user unknown Apr 23 15:30:18 chinook PAM_pwdb[27754]: check pass; user unknown I'm using NIS, so I'm not sure if pam_pwdb supports it. If so, does anyone know how to configure it? edit /etc/pwdb.conf I believe -- --- - - --- - - - --- Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]Debian GNU/Linux OpenLDAP Dev - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Choice of the GNU Generation -- -- - - - --- --- -- - - --- - --
Re: pam-pwdb + NIS + ssh
* Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04/23/99 16:49] wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Max wrote: I noticed that the latest version of ssh in potato introduced PAM support and totally screwed up ssh for me. It created an /etc/pam.d/ssh file with the following contents: #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_pwdb.so shadow auth required pam_nologin.so accountrequired pam_pwdb.so password required pam_cracklib.so password required pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok use_authtok sessionrequired pam_pwdb.so I can no longer ssh into the machine. When I comment out the first three lines (the 2 auth and account entries), ssh works once again. When it doesn't work, the following gets written into /var/log/auth.log: Apr 23 15:30:15 chinook PAM_pwdb[27754]: check pass; user unknown Apr 23 15:30:18 chinook PAM_pwdb[27754]: check pass; user unknown I'm using NIS, so I'm not sure if pam_pwdb supports it. If so, does anyone know how to configure it? edit /etc/pwdb.conf I believe OK, I just had to add nis to the entries in pwdb.conf. Thanks! Max -- The hopeful depend on a world without end Whatever the hopeless may say Neil Peart, 1985 pgpNdveGvryrz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Epson SC 400
Hi. I'm trying to improve my printer performance. I have installed magicfilter and related soft and have gs set up. This works OK, but veeery slowly, because each print job is done in color mode. Does anybody know how to set Epson SC driver for gs to enter blackwhite mode ? Jaros
timezones and potato
Hi, I have upgraded to potato. All went well, but I can not intall timezones. I get the message it conflicts with libc6. I litterally have to remove my whole system to install timezones from unstable. Can anyone help? TIA --- Regards, Christian Dysthe Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bigfoot.com/~cdysthe ICQ 3945810 Date: 23-Apr-99 Time: 19:14:34 This message was sent by XFmail Powered by Debian GNU/Linux ---
Re: pam-pwdb + NIS + ssh
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 07:49:17PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 04:42:45PM -0700, Max wrote: I noticed that the latest version of ssh in potato introduced PAM support and totally screwed up ssh for me. It created an /etc/pam.d/ssh file with the following contents: #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_pwdb.so shadow auth required pam_nologin.so accountrequired pam_pwdb.so password required pam_cracklib.so password required pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok use_authtok sessionrequired pam_pwdb.so Better yet, change this to: auth required pam_unix_auth.so auth required pam_nologin.so accountrequired pam_unix_acct.so password required pam_cracklib.so password required pam_unix_passwd.so use_authtok sessionrequired pam_unix_session.so This will (should) bypass pwdb alltogether and resort to the /etc/nsswitch.conf for NS sources. -- --- - - --- - - - --- Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]Debian GNU/Linux OpenLDAP Dev - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Choice of the GNU Generation -- -- - - - --- --- -- - - --- - --
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
I think that you are missing a very important point here. A hard disk, unlike, for example, an audio CD-ROM, spins at a fixed angular velocity. Thus the 'linear' speed over the disk surface is faster towards the outside of the disk than towards the centre (as in v=wr). Thus at the very least, it would seem likely that the reading of a large amount of data which was continuous would be quicker from the outside of the disk than from the innner. (This probably represents a larger performance increase with the large web-server than with the average single-user system). That said, I take your point about the seek time depending on the distance that the heads have to move, and it is evident that multihead drives would be expected to improve performance. Rich Jonathan Guthrie wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ookhoi wrote: Well, there was a discussion here about a benchmark Linux vs NT, and some people here said that the preformance of Linux could have been affected by the fact that Linux was near the center, and NT on the outer side. Probably not the reason. And the data on the outer side passes the heads much faster than the data on the inner side. But then, there is much more data on the outer side, and a piece of data on the outer side will go round in the same amount of time as a piece of data on the inner side.. I am not aware of any disks that use a higher density recording format for the outer tracks than they do for the inner tracks. As far as I am aware (and I really haven't paid much attention to such things since ST-277's were state of the art) the bit density of the outer tracks is LOWER than the bit density of the inner tracks. That's because the outer tracks are physically larger, but they hold the same number of bits. Not that it matters. The whole disk spins as a single unit so even if there were more bits on the outer tracks, you'll still wait the same amount of time (on average) for the sector you want to come around. Read on, and I'll explain. So, is there an advantage if whe put for example swap at the outer side of a disk? NO! Look, the access times for disk are dominated by two times, the time to seek to the correct track and the time to wait for the data to come around again on the disk. The time it takes the data to come around on the disk is, on average, one half of the time it takes for the disk to go around once. That's independant of everything else and is a fairly short time, anyway. The time it takes to seek to the correct track depends upon where you're seeking from and where you're seeking to. Obviously, if the heads happen to be at innermost cylinder, it will take longer to seek to the outermost cylinder than if the heads were in the middle or toward the outside. So, for higher performance in a situation where you're too cheap to add enough RAM, you'll want the swap file near where the heads are likely to be. You can also turn that around. Seeking to the middle from either extreme is likely to be faster than seeking to the other extreme. (This works for both average and worst-case times.) Predicting where the heads are likely to be takes some doing, especially on systems with effective disk caches, but you can take some educated guesses. The middle of a disk is a better guess than either extreme, but isn't necessarily the best guess. If you spend a lot of time reading and writing (especially writing) files from a particular partition, you might want to put the swap file near that partition on the principle that the heads are likely to be near there anyway, so it should reduce the amount of time waiting for any given swap. An extreme example of this would be where you dedicate an entire drive to a (fairly small) swap partition. That's how the news servers I use do it. For something less extreme, I kind of like the recommendation made by OS/2 gurus: Their advice was to put the swap file in the most used partition on the least used drive. You might try something like that where you put the swap partition in the middle of a disk that isn't used for very much. In short, my recommendation for boosting the performance of a computer that uses a significant amount of swap is to add RAM to the computer. HTH. HAND. -- Jonathan Guthrie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Brokersys +281-895-8101 http://www.brokersys.com/ 12703 Veterans Memorial #106, Houston, TX 77014, USA -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
(I wasn't going to but...) Think of it as a record (ya' know those old odd looking vinyl things). It spins at 33.3 rpm but the sound/music doesn't change from outer to inner. Same deal with hard drives although the outside is 'spinning' faster, it still picks up the same amount of data per rotation as it would near the center. --Dano -Original Message- From: Richard Harran [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 8:35 PM To: Jonathan Guthrie Subject: Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why? I think that you are missing a very important point here. A hard disk, unlike, for example, an audio CD-ROM, spins at a fixed angular velocity. Thus the 'linear' speed over the disk surface is faster towards the outside of the disk than towards the centre (as in v=wr). Thus at the very least, it would seem likely that the reading of a large amount of data which was continuous would be quicker from the outside of the disk than from the innner. (This probably represents a larger performance increase with the large web-server than with the average single-user system). That said, I take your point about the seek time depending on the distance that the heads have to move, and it is evident that multihead drives would be expected to improve performance. Rich Jonathan Guthrie wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ookhoi wrote: Well, there was a discussion here about a benchmark Linux vs NT, and some people here said that the preformance of Linux could have been affected by the fact that Linux was near the center, and NT on the outer side. Probably not the reason. And the data on the outer side passes the heads much faster than the data on the inner side. But then, there is much more data on the outer side, and a piece of data on the outer side will go round in the same amount of time as a piece of data on the inner side.. I am not aware of any disks that use a higher density recording format for the outer tracks than they do for the inner tracks. As far as I am aware (and I really haven't paid much attention to such things since ST-277's were state of the art) the bit density of the outer tracks is LOWER than the bit density of the inner tracks. That's because the outer tracks are physically larger, but they hold the same number of bits. Not that it matters. The whole disk spins as a single unit so even if there were more bits on the outer tracks, you'll still wait the same amount of time (on average) for the sector you want to come around. Read on, and I'll explain. So, is there an advantage if whe put for example swap at the outer side of a disk? NO! Look, the access times for disk are dominated by two times, the time to seek to the correct track and the time to wait for the data to come around again on the disk. The time it takes the data to come around on the disk is, on average, one half of the time it takes for the disk to go around once. That's independant of everything else and is a fairly short time, anyway. The time it takes to seek to the correct track depends upon where you're seeking from and where you're seeking to. Obviously, if the heads happen to be at innermost cylinder, it will take longer to seek to the outermost cylinder than if the heads were in the middle or toward the outside. So, for higher performance in a situation where you're too cheap to add enough RAM, you'll want the swap file near where the heads are likely to be. You can also turn that around. Seeking to the middle from either extreme is likely to be faster than seeking to the other extreme. (This works for both average and worst-case times.) Predicting where the heads are likely to be takes some doing, especially on systems with effective disk caches, but you can take some educated guesses. The middle of a disk is a better guess than either extreme, but isn't necessarily the best guess. If you spend a lot of time reading and writing (especially writing) files from a particular partition, you might want to put the swap file near that partition on the principle that the heads are likely to be near there anyway, so it should reduce the amount of time waiting for any given swap. An extreme example of this would be where you dedicate an entire drive to a (fairly small) swap partition. That's how the news servers I use do it. For something less extreme, I kind of like the recommendation made by OS/2 gurus: Their advice was to put the swap file in the most used partition on the least used drive. You might try something like that where you put the swap partition in the middle of a disk that isn't used for very much. In short, my recommendation for boosting the performance of a computer that uses a significant amount of swap is to add RAM to the computer. HTH. HAND. -- Jonathan Guthrie
Re: Installation to a zipdisk
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 10:09:05PM +0200, Bon Lam wrote: how to install a debian distribution to a zipdisk? is there anything like zipslack from debian? There are instructions (albeit for hamm) at the URL in my sig. Luck, Pann -- What's All the Buzz About Linux? http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/
Re: Favorite WP/Office software...
On Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 07:45:30AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote: Sami Dalouche wrote: I tried WP too but i don't like it because it's toolkit is motif... It's slow, not free (WP is not too, but it's not a reason) and buggy. Will WP convert their office suite into gnome or KDE ? They aren't even planning to port it to libc6 from libc5. So, GNOME or KDE support is unlikely. I expect this is because they are busy working on a new version. I would expect to see WP2000 be glibc (hopefully 2.1, since potato will probably be out before then). As far as gnome/kde, that might be a pretty big re-write, but I'd like to see that. The current Linux (and other *nix) versions of WP were subcontracted to Software Development Corp. I suspect the new stuff is being done in-house by Corel. Bob
Re: samba/network neighborhood question
Funny..Just my experiences on the samba subject. I've recently moved my network to a new apartment. Worked perfectly for a while, then my single win98 machine began having troubles connecting to the samba server. Sometimes the server wouldn't show up, sometimes the 'network' would be down, sometimes it couldn't browse the network at all. And through it all I could still access the internet from the machine. (Samba box also the network gateway) I actually had to threaten to reinstall windows on the win98 box before it started working again. No settings tweaking or rebooting helped. I actually had to go look for the installation CD to make it work again. I still have no idea what the 'problem' was or how it was 'fixed'. On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ben Frame wrote: I just got Samba installed and it seems to be working fine. But it doesn't always show up in my Network Neighborhood under Win95. Both the Debian machine and Win95 machine are on the same subnet and both are in a workgroup called linux. I've made several changes to my smb.conf file, and consequently restarted the debian machine a few times. Sometimes it shows up in Network Neighborhood, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it will show up later, but not immediately. So my question is, what makes it show up (or not) in Network Neighborhood? I can see the Debian machine if I do a search for it with Win95 (start/find/computer/name). And for now I've just placed a shortcut to it on my desktop to keep from having to search every time. If anyone can shed any light, I would certainly appreciate it. Ben Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Lotus Notes apps???
In linux.debian.user, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The client is something else, but when you make Domino applications, the only thing you need is TCP/IP and a browser. Unless, of course, you want to develop Notes applications. This can only be done with the Notes client, which will exist only for Wintel and PowerMac. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum http://dm.net
Re: W95 defrag [also lilo+Linux+Win98 FAT32]
On 23 Apr 99, at 23:45, Matt Folwell wrote about Re: W95 defrag [also lilo+Linux+Win: On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 05:42:09PM -0500, Brad wrote: For quite a while, Windows refused to boot at all from lilo. i finally solved the problem by using some obscure commands buried deep in TFM. Probably you won't need them, but they're here for a reference anyway. other=/dev/hdb1 table=/dev/hdb # The map-drive directives make windows think it's on the primary # master drive instead of the primary slave. Windows would think # Linux was on the slave if it could see it. map-drive = 0x80 to = 0x81 map-drive = 0x81 to = 0x80 label=win alias=2 Which FM did you find this is? I've been unable to boot windows from lilo /usr/docs/lilo/manual.txt.gz (or something like that, case might be off) since I moved it (windows) to /dev/hdc. I'd guess I need to use 0x82 where you've used 0x81, but I'd rather make sure before I risk it, and I can't see map-drive mentioned in the lilo.conf man page. You can try it, but you might have a problem booting windows off anything other than the first 2 drives. The one thing about MS OS's in general (except for NT) they need to boot off of the the primary, active partition, and I believe it can be the only primary partition visible on the drive. For a while I was able to boot windows using other=/dev/hdc but this suddenly stopped working, saying Missing Operating System Does anyone know what could cause that? What primary partitions do you have on the first 2 drives? Did this change between then and now? TTFN TIA, Matt -- Matt Folwell, Trinity College, Cambridge. CB2 1TQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null == Jan M.- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint:397D 093C E802 964E 5316 B90A 93CE 6696 Thought for the day: 'Gratitude': An imaginary emotion that rewards an imaginary behavior,'altruism.' Both imaginaries are false faces for selfishness, which is a real and honest emotion. -- Maureen Johnson, 'To Sail Beyond the Sunset' (Robert Heinlein)
Re: pam-pwdb + NIS + ssh
* George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04/23/99 17:20] wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Max wrote: anyone know how to configure it? edit /etc/pwdb.conf I believe OK, I just had to add nis to the entries in pwdb.conf. Can you share with us what that nis entry looks like in your pwdb.conf file? Just replace shadow + unix with nis + shadow + unix. Max -- The hopeful depend on a world without end Whatever the hopeless may say Neil Peart, 1985 pgpKioo7ZFmLl.pgp Description: PGP signature
ISA vs PCI Modem
I am thinking about buying a 56k modem. I have a 28.8k modem. I know not to buy a Winmodem. I have seen ads for ISA and PCI modems. Is one kind better than the other? Does the type of board slot affect capability or performance? Thanks for your help. Greg Scharrer
Re: Netscape Resources
Thanks for all the help on Netscape. The font deuglification HOWTO made it a lot nicer. And I found the app-defaults.gz in /usr/doc/netscape. I will experiment with that to see if I can make the icons larger. Greg Scharrer
Re: W95 defrag [also lilo+Linux+Win98 FAT32]
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 09:39:12PM -0400, Jan Muszynski wrote: On 23 Apr 99, at 23:45, Matt Folwell wrote about Re: W95 defrag [also lilo+Linux+Win: Which FM did you find this is? I've been unable to boot windows from lilo /usr/docs/lilo/manual.txt.gz (or something like that, case might be off) D'oh! Now why didn't I think of that? since I moved it (windows) to /dev/hdc. I'd guess I need to use 0x82 where you've used 0x81, but I'd rather make sure before I risk it, and I can't see map-drive mentioned in the lilo.conf man page. You can try it, but you might have a problem booting windows off anything other than the first 2 drives. The one thing about MS OS's in general (except for NT) they need to boot off of the the primary, active partition, and I believe it can be the only primary partition visible on the drive. For a while I was able to boot windows using other=/dev/hdc but this suddenly stopped working, saying Missing Operating System Does anyone know what could cause that? What primary partitions do you have on the first 2 drives? Did this change between then and now? It works now, thanks. I did need 0x81, which I suppose is consistent with my bios setup - of ide-0, -1, -2 and -3 I have to use ide-1 to boot the second hard drive, even though it's the third ide device. Maybe I should have given more details of my setup: /dev/hda has 2 primary partitions for linux- / and swap, and an extended partition with a few linux partitions and one fat32 one. /dev/hdb is my cd rom drive /dev/hdc has my primary win95 partition and another swap partition for linux (also primary) Anyway, either of these entries in lilo.conf will now boot windows: other=/dev/hdc label=Win95 map-drive = 0x80 to = 0x81 map-drive = 0x81 to = 0x80 other=/dev/hdc1 label=Win2 table=/dev/hdc map-drive = 0x80 to = 0x81 map-drive = 0x81 to = 0x80 I wonder which is better. I also now have 2 boot menus to go through before windows loads, and they both default to linux :-) -- Matt Folwell, Trinity College, Cambridge. CB2 1TQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISA vs PCI Modem
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Greg Scharrer wrote: I am thinking about buying a 56k modem. I have a 28.8k modem. I know not to buy a Winmodem. I have seen ads for ISA and PCI modems. Is one kind better than the other? Does the type of board slot affect capability or performance? I can't imagine that ISA vs PCI would have that much effect on the system load even when communicating at full speed, assuming that you've got the buffering set up properly on either one. (In fact, my recommendation would be to get an external modem, which makes the point moot.) My comment (and I'm speaking as an owner of an ISP who has taken his share of your service is crappy because when I use my $0.59 modem I can't connect with it faster than 49,333 BPS calls) is that if you want good performance, you should get a decent modem. That means that if you buy USR (I don't, which is a long story) you get a Courier rather than a Sportster. I have heard really good things about Microcom and I've personally had good luck with DataRace, not that I would be offended if you didn't take my advice. I don't buy modems, any more, because 28.8 is fast enough for everything but connecting to the Internet, and I don't use a modem to connect to the Internet. (I'm running ISDN now, but I'll be installing DSL in a month or so.) -- Jonathan Guthrie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Brokersys +281-895-8101 http://www.brokersys.com/ 12703 Veterans Memorial #106, Houston, TX 77014, USA
Re: ISA vs PCI Modem
It doesn't matter ONE-BIT. Bus speed has nothing to with a modem. Your modem will run at a constant speed which is a lot slower than the bus will. Either modem will perform just as well. I would consider how easily configured it is and price, rather than bus speed. That's the only real issue in modems. Ed. - Original Message - From: Greg Scharrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, April 24, 1999 03:21 Subject: ISA vs PCI Modem I am thinking about buying a 56k modem. I have a 28.8k modem. I know not to buy a Winmodem. I have seen ads for ISA and PCI modems. Is one kind better than the other? Does the type of board slot affect capability or performance? Thanks for your help. Greg Scharrer -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Hello From Corel, was(Re: Strategic Alliance Between Corel, KDE and
Well, I for one am very excited about the Corel-Debian alliance, [...] I just wanted to say thanks for making your presence known on debian-user! Even though most of us here are just users, the nature of Debian makes us (well, me anyway!) feel like we're an important part of it. I second this. I look forward to hearing more from Corel. And this. Cheers, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: ISA vs PCI Modem
Greg Scharrer writes: I am thinking about buying a 56k modem. I have a 28.8k modem. I know not to buy a Winmodem. I have seen ads for ISA and PCI modems. Is one kind better than the other? Multitech reportedly makes one PCI modem that is not a winmodem. So far as I know all others are. I'd stay away from PCI modems. Does the type of board slot affect capability or performance? No. Modem data rates are so far below the capacity of the ISA bus that the bus type is irrelevant. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Sound
Hi All. I have a problem with sound. I can't play any sounds. I have tried using rplay and nmaker, both the same results. The annoying thing is that I can play CDs with no probs!!! I am a member of the group audio and sounds are compiled into the kernel. Any ideas? Anything that I could try? Thanks, Trev NB: I am not subscribed to this list, so please CC: all replies, TIA.
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
Jonathan Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ookhoi wrote: Well, there was a discussion here about a benchmark Linux vs NT, and some people here said that the preformance of Linux could have been affected by the fact that Linux was near the center, and NT on the outer side. Probably not the reason. And the data on the outer side passes the heads much faster than the data on the inner side. But then, there is much more data on the outer side, and a piece of data on the outer side will go round in the same amount of time as a piece of data on the inner side.. I am not aware of any disks that use a higher density recording format for the outer tracks than they do for the inner tracks. As far as I am aware (and I really haven't paid much attention to such things since ST-277's were state of the art) the bit density of the outer tracks is LOWER than the bit density of the inner tracks. That's because the outer tracks are physically larger, but they hold the same number of bits. The ST-277 did work the way you described, but no modern drives do. The outer tracks do contain more sectors than the inner tracks. Since more sectors pass by on outer tracks in a fixed time, a single sector is read faster in the outer tracks than the inner tracks. Not that it matters. The whole disk spins as a single unit so even if there were more bits on the outer tracks, you'll still wait the same amount of time (on average) for the sector you want to come around. I agree that the seek time and latency time will be the same, but you will read more data in a single rotation. Reading small files will probably be dominated by seek time, so there should be little difference between inner and outer tracks. Large files are largely consecutive sectors, so they should read faster on the outer tracks than the inner tracks. -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: timezones and potato
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 07:14:34PM -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote: Hi, I have upgraded to potato. All went well, but I can not intall timezones. I get the message it conflicts with libc6. I litterally have to remove my whole system to install timezones from unstable. The functions and data formerly in timezones are now contained in the potato version of libc6. Bob -- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 08:50:40PM -0400, Dan Willard wrote: Think of it as a record (ya' know those old odd looking vinyl things). It spins at 33.3 rpm but the sound/music doesn't change from outer to inner. Same deal with hard drives although the outside is 'spinning' faster, it still picks up the same amount of data per rotation as it would near the center. Actually, this is a good analogy, but the conclusion is wrong. Hi-fi buffs (back when it was called hi-fi) knew that there was better sound on the first tracks of LPs (near the outside). This was because the vinyl was moving faster under the needle, which gave a better frequency response at the high end i.e., more data about the music. In fact, audio CDs slow their rotation on the outside tracks so they can play back the data at a constant rate. Hard drive manufacturers work in an incredibly competitive market. They do their best to maximize the bits-per-square-centimeter density of the platters in your drive. One great way they have found to do this is to store more data on the outer tracks. Older hard drives, MFM, RLL, early SCSIs and PC-format floppies don't take advantage of this, however. My recollection is that the original Mac 400K floppy was the first personal data recording device to use this technique. I'm sure someone else can point out something the ancient Egyptians did with it. As a result, you get a much higher data rate on the outer tracks, with the same angular latency as on the inner tracks. - Marsh
Re: configuración de redes
* William R Pentney said: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me gustar?a obtener ayuda sobre: ?C?mo puedo instalar una red con linux? Lo necesito urgentemente Gracias [basically: How do I install a network with Linux?] Sugero balsa. Es un colleccion de programas que usa el protocolo SMB. Sugero que se subscribe a [EMAIL PROTECTED] tambien; pueden darle mas ayuda. Mi espanol es muy pobre. :-) Puedes tambien tratar a buscar a los HOWTO (NET-3 HOWTO) en espanol. Por lo que yo se, son algunos trasladaciones de esos textos. Lamentablemente no puedo decirte donde encontrarlos :((. Por lo bueno, es mejos si mandes tus mensajes en la lista que William te ha indicado arriba. Si necesitas mas ayuda, puedes escribirme en personalmente :))) marek pgpmTb3Wg68rP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sound
Trevor Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a problem with sound. I can't play any sounds. I have tried using rplay and nmaker, both the same results. The annoying thing is that I can play CDs with no probs!!! I am a member of the group audio and sounds are compiled into the kernel. You might be a member of group audio, but do /dev/audio and /dev/dsp belong to group audio? Here's what I have: bash-2.01$ ls -l /dev/audio /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 4 Mar 15 18:38 /dev/audio crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 Mar 15 18:38 /dev/dsp But on the out-of-the-box Debian they used to belong to root.root. Chown them to root.audio. Hope this helps, -- Arcady Genkin I opened up my wallet, and it's full of blood... - GsYDE
Re: Sound
I have a problem with sound. I can't play any sounds. I have tried using rplay and nmaker, both the same results. The annoying thing is that I can play CDs with no probs!!! I am a member of the group audio and sounds are compiled into the kernel. It's likely that your CD drive works somewhat independantly of your soundcard. Try finding a .au file and doing this: cat file.au /dev/audio -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | --
Humor a bit....
The following are new Windows messages that are under consideration for the planned Windows 2000: 1. Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue. 2. Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. 3. Press any key except... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE! 4. Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner. 5. This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another game? 6. Windows message: Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y) 7. This is a message from God Gates: Rebooting the world. Please log off. 8. To shut down your system, type WIN 9. BREAKFAST.SYS halted... Cereal port not responding. 10. COFFEE.SYS missing... Insert cup in cup holder and press any key. 11. File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) 12. Bad or missing mouse. Spank the cat? (Y/N) 13. Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User. 14. Error reading FAT record: Try the SKINNY one? (Y/N) 15. WinErr 16547: LPT1 not found. Use backup. (PENCIL PAPER.SYS) 16. User Error: Replace user. 17. Windows VirusScan 1.0 - Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N) 18. Your hard drive has been scanned and all stolen software titles have been deleted. The police are on the way. 19. User Error: Intelligence Resource Level Insufficient 20. Netscape.exe... Bad file name... May we suggest M/S Internet Explorer? (Y/y)
Lock file and .seq problems after apt-get upgrade
I have now been unable to run apt-get update as (su) root. I receive these messages: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory /var/lib/dpkg/, are you root? - Open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) Also, I have not been able to print as a normal user, getting this message: lpr: cannot create /var/spool/lpd/hpdj/.seq Can anyone tell me what is going on? Alan Davis -- Alan E. Davis Marianas High School (Science Department) AAA196, Box 10001[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.saipan.netpci.com/~adavis Saipan, MP 9695015.16oN 145.7oEGMT+10 Northern Mariana Islands
Re.: Lock file and .seq problems after apt-get upgrade SOLVED
This was my own problem, now solved. I found that apt-get had not finished the installations. Once I got through that, printing is also normal. I am sorry to bother anyone who tried to solve my problems. Alan Davis -- Alan E. Davis Marianas High School (Science Department) AAA196, Box 10001[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.saipan.netpci.com/~adavis Saipan, MP 9695015.16oN 145.7oEGMT+10 Northern Mariana Islands
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
That is because the data is spread out more towards the edge of a record, entirely because the data rate is fixed (by the need to have the music playing at a constant speed). I have managed to find myself a reference to this in the book 'Computer Organisation and Design' [Patterson/Hennessy]. It suggests that modern iterfaces (SCSI: the book is copyright '94), mean that disks have a constant bit rate per inch, although old disks had a constant number of sectors per head analogous to the record. Thus with a modern HDD, you would get better transfer rate towards the outside of the disk. There are, however, as other posters have mentioned, issues of seek time, which may be more significant for lots of little transfers, and it makes good sense that you don't have partitions which may be alternatively accessed (eg swap and /usr), at very distant radii on the disk. I've decided to just leave my partitioning as it is until I have a lot more time to workout exactly what would be best (which will probably never happen), including seeing which directories get most regular access, and which ones tend to get accessed alternatively. Rich Dan Willard wrote: (I wasn't going to but...) Think of it as a record (ya' know those old odd looking vinyl things). It spins at 33.3 rpm but the sound/music doesn't change from outer to inner. Same deal with hard drives although the outside is 'spinning' faster, it still picks up the same amount of data per rotation as it would near the center. --Dano -Original Message- From: Richard Harran [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 8:35 PM To: Jonathan Guthrie Subject: Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why? I think that you are missing a very important point here. A hard disk, unlike, for example, an audio CD-ROM, spins at a fixed angular velocity. Thus the 'linear' speed over the disk surface is faster towards the outside of the disk than towards the centre (as in v=wr). Thus at the very least, it would seem likely that the reading of a large amount of data which was continuous would be quicker from the outside of the disk than from the innner. (This probably represents a larger performance increase with the large web-server than with the average single-user system). That said, I take your point about the seek time depending on the distance that the heads have to move, and it is evident that multihead drives would be expected to improve performance. Rich Jonathan Guthrie wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ookhoi wrote: Well, there was a discussion here about a benchmark Linux vs NT, and some people here said that the preformance of Linux could have been affected by the fact that Linux was near the center, and NT on the outer side. Probably not the reason. And the data on the outer side passes the heads much faster than the data on the inner side. But then, there is much more data on the outer side, and a piece of data on the outer side will go round in the same amount of time as a piece of data on the inner side.. I am not aware of any disks that use a higher density recording format for the outer tracks than they do for the inner tracks. As far as I am aware (and I really haven't paid much attention to such things since ST-277's were state of the art) the bit density of the outer tracks is LOWER than the bit density of the inner tracks. That's because the outer tracks are physically larger, but they hold the same number of bits. Not that it matters. The whole disk spins as a single unit so even if there were more bits on the outer tracks, you'll still wait the same amount of time (on average) for the sector you want to come around. Read on, and I'll explain. So, is there an advantage if whe put for example swap at the outer side of a disk? NO! Look, the access times for disk are dominated by two times, the time to seek to the correct track and the time to wait for the data to come around again on the disk. The time it takes the data to come around on the disk is, on average, one half of the time it takes for the disk to go around once. That's independant of everything else and is a fairly short time, anyway. The time it takes to seek to the correct track depends upon where you're seeking from and where you're seeking to. Obviously, if the heads happen to be at innermost cylinder, it will take longer to seek to the outermost cylinder than if the heads were in the middle or toward the outside. So, for higher performance in a situation where you're too cheap to add enough RAM, you'll want the swap file near where the heads are likely to be. You can also turn that around. Seeking to the middle from either extreme is likely to be faster than seeking to the other extreme. (This works for both
Re: KDM vs XDM
On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 11:18:35AM -0500, Brian Morgan wrote: I'd like to be able to change my default login manager to KDM instead of XDM, now that I have KDE up and running. What do I need to do to make this happen? I notice there have already been several answers to this question, but here's my take on it. Whoever packages kwm should just follow my example in the xdm package. If kwm would do that, people wouldn't have to screw with all this init script editing or displacing of binaries. They could just: dpkg --remove xdm apt-get install kdm (kdm might be robust enough to be installed without a pre-existing xdm in place; if so, great, you're easily in business) Since the Great X Reorganization, replacement of many X components is far easier than it used to be. People came up with all these kludges because you couldn't uninstall xdm without taking a lot of other stuff you needed with it. xdm is now its own package, and that is no longer the case. You can remove xdm without affecting the rest of your system in the slightest. Anyone who knows to whom to forward this for results, please do so. -- G. Branden Robinson |I have a truly elegant proof of the Debian GNU/Linux |above, but it is too long to fit into [EMAIL PROTECTED] |this .signature file. cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpumVhXiBwbn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ALI V
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 15:40 -0300, Paulo J. da Silva e Silva wrote: Hello, I have a super 7 mother board with ALI V chipset. This chipset is not directly supported by kernel 2.2, but there is a patch to support (and some others) at: http://www.dyer.vanderbilt.edu/server/udma/ If I understand well these are the official ide developers for the linux kernel. So I am considering to give it a try. Anyone out there that got udma on ALI V working with this patch? Yup, works fine with my 2.2.3 kernel and Asus P5A mobo. Mind you, I had a problem with IRQ timeouts, so that DMA couldn't be set, but it was fixed when I got proper PC100 memory for some reason. Cheers Dave -- Dave Swegen | Debian 2.0 on Linux i386 2.2.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available on request [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation --
Re: samba/network neighborhood question
I think I know... I think you havd samba running from inetd, so when win95/98 issues a request... the samba server doesn't answer right away (it needs to be started first). That would be like starting apache from inetd, it takes a little time to get the first response... so what you need to do is...: 1. you can make samba active... bye, typing the smbname or ipaddress in the startmenu/search/computer... so samba get's started... or: 2. what would be better... make samba a daemon and not start from inetd. just my 2 cents, Leen. On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny..Just my experiences on the samba subject. I've recently moved my network to a new apartment. Worked perfectly for a while, then my single win98 machine began having troubles connecting to the samba server. Sometimes the server wouldn't show up, sometimes the 'network' would be down, sometimes it couldn't browse the network at all. And through it all I could still access the internet from the machine. (Samba box also the network gateway) I actually had to threaten to reinstall windows on the win98 box before it started working again. No settings tweaking or rebooting helped. I actually had to go look for the installation CD to make it work again. I still have no idea what the 'problem' was or how it was 'fixed'. On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ben Frame wrote: I just got Samba installed and it seems to be working fine. But it doesn't always show up in my Network Neighborhood under Win95. Both the Debian machine and Win95 machine are on the same subnet and both are in a workgroup called linux. I've made several changes to my smb.conf file, and consequently restarted the debian machine a few times. Sometimes it shows up in Network Neighborhood, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it will show up later, but not immediately. So my question is, what makes it show up (or not) in Network Neighborhood? I can see the Debian machine if I do a search for it with Win95 (start/find/computer/name). And for now I've just placed a shortcut to it on my desktop to keep from having to search every time. If anyone can shed any light, I would certainly appreciate it. Ben Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Is ssh 2 incompatible with ssh 1?
On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 23:40:57 +, Marc Haber wrote: However, I have been told that lsh uses scheme which is not free in a Debian sense. Thus, lsh will not yield a true free version of ssh which is what the world _urgently_ needs. You're misinformed. - Scheme is a programming language, not a piece of software. - Free implementations of Scheme exist in Debian, e.g. Guile. - lsh does not use a Scheme interpreter at run-time. The issue is: - The build process of lsh currently uses scripts that use scsh, a Scheme interpreter with support for writing shell scripts. - scsh is not free software at the moment. This issue is minor for the following reasons: - The scsh copyright holders have been asked to free it. They are willing to do so, but currently do not have the time to handle the paperwork involved. Thus, scsh can be expected to become free. - The scsh scripts used in the build process are fairly small. Should scsh not be freed by the time lsh is sufficiently stable to be part of Debian, they can be adapted to work with a free Scheme implementation without to much effort, or rewritten in a different scripting language (they do text processing; Perl or Python would be good candidates). Ray -- Obsig: developing a new sig
Debian Official CD
Apologize for the cross post, but I figured there would be someone on these lists that can answer this one Is the Debian/68K tree included on ANY CD set that claims to be an Official Debian CD distribution, regardless of source? I'm particularly interested in staying with the 2.0.xx series right now, and I'd like to find a CD set so I can avoid all the ftp's to get X going, etc. I have several Mac's here running 2.0.36 successfully and I'd like to try X on my Quad 650 for starters... paul
Re: What are the Bogomips for a P166?
Subject: Re: What are the Bogomips for a P166? Date: Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 02:44:45PM -0700 In reply to:bradleyb Quoting bradleyb([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My p75 here at work is 23 bogo mips. So a 150 would be around 50 - 60. My p75 has 29 bogoMips, you might want to check your configuration. Since we're on the subject, I also have an AMD 486DX4-100 - with about 50 BogoMips. the problem is, it's far slower to use than my p75. I know that comparing bogoMips values isn't an entirely accurate way to compare speeds for different processor types, but is this normal? Thanks, Brad Cyrix 166MX got 149.5 Bogomips on 2.0.20-2.0.36 on Slackware but on Debian it was about 130. Same Hardware, different partition. When I went to the 2.2.x Kernel Debian met Slackware, Bogomips now 149.5 on both. (??) Slackware was/is libc5. The answer, well the only difference I see is the Bogomips number, compile times haven't changed on either system. Now I don't even look at it anymore. -- In English, every word can be verbed. Would that it were so in our programming languages. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
I've decided to just leave my partitioning as it is until I have a lot more time to workout exactly what would be best (which will probably never happen), including seeing which directories get most regular access, and which ones tend to get accessed alternatively. Is there any software out there that can do this analysis for you? Also, has anyone come up with a filesystem that sorts files by size, so that larger files can take advantage of the increased read speed at the end of the partition? -- Matt Folwell, Trinity College, Cambridge. CB2 1TQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mixer problems
Khalid EZZARAOUI wrote: hey, try : (as root) cat /dev/sndstat and ls -l /dev/mixer ls -l /dev/cdrom (add ls -l to this link file) after what add this output to your next mail. so we can see what is the problem. good luck.
/etc/export
Hi! how do you update /etc/export, whitout restart the computer ? -- //Thanks Johan
the ~ files
hello, I would like to know if it is possible to delete all file ending by the symbol ~ with the command without risk : rm -R *~ I have more and more of them every day. thanks.
Re: /etc/export
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Johan Pettersson wrote: Hi! how do you update /etc/export, whitout restart the computer ? Use a text editor. :) After you make a change, just run (as root of course): /etc/init.d/nfs-server restart
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
And the data on the outer side passes the heads much faster than the data on the inner side. But then, there is much more data on the outer side, and a piece of data on the outer side will go round in the same amount of time as a piece of data on the inner side.. I am not aware of any disks that use a higher density recording format for the outer tracks than they do for the inner tracks. As far as I am aware (and I really haven't paid much attention to such things since ST-277's were state of the art) the bit density of the outer tracks is LOWER than the bit density of the inner tracks. That's because the outer tracks are physically larger, but they hold the same number of bits. There is more data on the outer tracks nowadays: http://www.quantum.com/src/storage_basics/c3.5_part2.html#geometry Not that it matters. The whole disk spins as a single unit so even if there were more bits on the outer tracks, you'll still wait the same amount of time (on average) for the sector you want to come around. Read on, and I'll explain. [knip] An extreme example of this would be where you dedicate an entire drive to a (fairly small) swap partition. That's how the news servers I use do it. For something less extreme, I kind of like the recommendation made by OS/2 gurus: Their advice was to put the swap file in the most used partition on the least used drive. You might try something like that where you put the swap partition in the middle of a disk that isn't used for very much. In short, my recommendation for boosting the performance of a computer that uses a significant amount of swap is to add RAM to the computer. Thanx a lot for your explanation! Groetjes, Ookhoi
Re: Netscape Resources
Subject: Re: Netscape Resources Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 03:23:35AM + In reply to:Greg Scharrer Quoting Greg Scharrer([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Thanks for all the help on Netscape. The font deuglification HOWTO made it a lot nicer. And I found the app-defaults.gz in /usr/doc/netscape. I will experiment with that to see if I can make the icons larger. Greg Scharrer I came across a tip, somewhere, that I found helped my Netscape display. In /etc/X11/XF86Config files section, The default is to have the 75dpi fonts come before the 100dpi fonts. Reversing that order made Netscape much more readable. FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi HTH -- Everyone can be taught to sculpt: Michelangelo would have had to be taught how __not to. So it is with the great programmers. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISA vs PCI Modem
Subject: ISA vs PCI Modem Date: Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 03:21:32AM + In reply to:Greg Scharrer Quoting Greg Scharrer([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am thinking about buying a 56k modem. I have a 28.8k modem. I know not to buy a Winmodem. I have seen ads for ISA and PCI modems. Is one kind better than the other? Does the type of board slot affect capability or performance? Thanks for your help. Greg Scharrer Having just up-graded from a 28.8K to a 56K modem, I thought I would put in my $.02. I have never liked internal modems. I have had to work on many Win95 boxes that had problems with modems/IRQ's. Long ago I opted for an internal multiport Serial board with full address/IRQ jumpering, and an External Modem. I have never had to look back on thæt decision. In the future I will be updating to one on the newer serial boards that have 4-8 ports and share IRQ's. That will, IMO, be the best of both worlds. Of course if USB gets going, that may be better/cheaper alternative. Whichever way you go, 56K is better then I thought it would be, even on phone lines that only allow 26.4K connections. HTH -- If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage. But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine, is somehow enobled and none dare criticize it. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?
Think of it as a record (ya' know those old odd looking vinyl things). It spins at 33.3 rpm but the sound/music doesn't change from outer to inner. Same deal with hard drives although the outside is 'spinning' faster, it still picks up the same amount of data per rotation as it would near the center. I don't think this is true. This is a part from http://www.quantum.com/src/storage_basics/c3.5_part2.html#geometry In earlier hard drive designs, the number of sectors per track was fixed and, because the outer tracks on a platter have a larger circumference than the inner tracks, space on the outer tracks was wasted. The number of sectors that would fit on the innermost track constrained the number of sectors per track for the entire platter. However, many of today's advanced drives use a formatting technique called Multiple Zone Recording to pack more data onto the surface of the disk. Multiple Zone Recording allows the number of sectors per track to be adjusted so more sectors are stored on the larger, outer tracks. By dividing the outer tracks into more sectors, data can be packed uniformly throughout the surface of a platter, disk surface is used more efficiently, and higher capacities can be achieved with fewer platters. The number of sectors per track on a typical 3.5-inch disk ranges from 60 to 120 under a Multiple Zone Recording scheme. Not only is effective storage capacity increased by as much as 25 percent with Multiple Zone Recording, but the disk-to-buffer transfer rate also is boosted. With more bytes per track, data in the outer zones is read at a faster rate. Quantum Corporation is a pioneer in Multiple Zone Recording, and was the first manufacturer to implement Multiple Zone Recording on 2.5-inch disk drive products. Groetjes, Ookhoi -Original Message- From: Richard Harran [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 8:35 PM To: Jonathan Guthrie Subject:Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why? I think that you are missing a very important point here. A hard disk, unlike, for example, an audio CD-ROM, spins at a fixed angular velocity. Thus the 'linear' speed over the disk surface is faster towards the outside of the disk than towards the centre (as in v=wr). Thus at the very least, it would seem likely that the reading of a large amount of data which was continuous would be quicker from the outside of the disk than from the innner. (This probably represents a larger performance increase with the large web-server than with the average single-user system). That said, I take your point about the seek time depending on the distance that the heads have to move, and it is evident that multihead drives would be expected to improve performance. Rich Jonathan Guthrie wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ookhoi wrote: Well, there was a discussion here about a benchmark Linux vs NT, and some people here said that the preformance of Linux could have been affected by the fact that Linux was near the center, and NT on the outer side. Probably not the reason. And the data on the outer side passes the heads much faster than the data on the inner side. But then, there is much more data on the outer side, and a piece of data on the outer side will go round in the same amount of time as a piece of data on the inner side.. I am not aware of any disks that use a higher density recording format for the outer tracks than they do for the inner tracks. As far as I am aware (and I really haven't paid much attention to such things since ST-277's were state of the art) the bit density of the outer tracks is LOWER than the bit density of the inner tracks. That's because the outer tracks are physically larger, but they hold the same number of bits. Not that it matters. The whole disk spins as a single unit so even if there were more bits on the outer tracks, you'll still wait the same amount of time (on average) for the sector you want to come around. Read on, and I'll explain. So, is there an advantage if whe put for example swap at the outer side of a disk? NO! Look, the access times for disk are dominated by two times, the time to seek to the correct track and the time to wait for the data to come around again on the disk. The time it takes the data to come around on the disk is, on average, one half of the time it takes for the disk to go around once. That's independant of everything else and is a fairly short time, anyway. The time it takes to seek to the correct track depends upon where you're seeking from and where you're seeking to. Obviously, if the heads happen to be at innermost cylinder, it will take longer to seek to the outermost cylinder than if the heads were in the middle or toward the outside. So,
Re: the ~ files
Khalid EZZARAOUI dixit: ~ ~ I would like to know if it is possible to delete all file ending by the ~ symbol ~ ~ with the command without risk : ~ rm -R *~ ~ I have more and more of them every day. I guess it is (just guess). If you use vim you can tell the editor not to do any backup files (.vimrc). Horacio -- Claves - GnuPG/PGP - Keys : http://www.rediris.es/cert/keyserver o/or Envía un mensaje vacío a [EMAIL PROTECTED] con la línea de asunto: Send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject line: Tipo de Clave/Key Type Asunto:/Subject: DSA/ElGamal fetch dsa/elgamal DSS/Diffie-Hellman fetch dh/dss RSA fetch rsa
Re: Sound
Will, Will Lowe wrote: cat file.au /dev/audio I run the command below, and this is the output! $ cat /usr/lib/games/crossfire/sounds/magic.au /dev/audio bash: /dev/audio: Device or resource busy I had the wmss running, but then I killed it, is there a way to get around this problem? Thanks, Trev
ppp: frame with bad fcs, excess = 5ebe
Hello, Does anyone have a clue what this error message means? ppp: frame with bad fcs, excess = 5ebe I recently switched back to an old 14,400 modem becasue my USR 33.6 broke, if that matters, although the same modem in the past has never produced this error. The error doesn't effect the connection in any way, as far as I can tell; i.e. it doesn't disconnect and the tranfer is only breifly idle. Thanks for reading. -- Jim Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACORN techie http://www.acorn.net AOL/IM Jim Foltz
Re: ALI V
On Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 01:58:34AM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 15:40 -0300, Paulo J. da Silva e Silva wrote: Hello, I have a super 7 mother board with ALI V chipset. This chipset is not directly supported by kernel 2.2, but there is a patch to support (and some others) at: http://www.dyer.vanderbilt.edu/server/udma/ If I understand well these are the official ide developers for the linux kernel. So I am considering to give it a try. Anyone out there that got udma on ALI V working with this patch? Yup, works fine with my 2.2.3 kernel and Asus P5A mobo. Mind you, I had a problem with IRQ timeouts, so that DMA couldn't be set, but it was fixed when I got proper PC100 memory for some reason. I installed it after seeing Paulo's message. According to hdparm -t, on my one UDMA drive (a Western Digital 6.4 Gb) I now get about 9.7 Mb/s versus 6 Mb/s before. Not bad! The other drives seem a bit faster too (which is good, because the 6.4 isn't my Linux root). Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD. CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome.
Re: the ~ files
On Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 03:30:00PM +0200, Khalid EZZARAOUI wrote: hello, I would like to know if it is possible to delete all file ending by the symbol ~ with the command without risk : rm -R *~ I have more and more of them every day. thanks. Yes, you can do this command, but if you think a command might be harmful, why would you use it when you don't really understand it? Using wildcards can dangerous when used with the rm command. From experience, I know it is all too easy to type rm -rf * ~ instead of rm -rf *~ -- Jim Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACORN techie http://www.acorn.net AOL/IM Jim Foltz
Re: Sound
Hello, Did you compile support for your sound card (you need to confiugre and compile a custom kernel to get sound support for your particular card). -- Jim Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACORN techie http://www.acorn.net AOL/IM Jim Foltz
Re: Sound
Jim Foltz wrote: Hello, Did you compile support for your sound card (you need to confiugre and compile a custom kernel to get sound support for your particular card). -- Jim Foltz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACORN techie http://www.acorn.net AOL/IM Jim Foltz Yep Trev (PS: Jim, sorry if you get this twice)
a reference to http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash-2.02/bashref.html on /usr/doc/bash ?
I think that /usr/doc/bash should at least mention http://www.gnu.org/manual/bash-2.02/bashref.html. Am I correct that there is no such reference ? What about including some (all ??) the stuff that is found on this URL with Debian distro ?
Re: How unstable is unstable?
B == Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B The two biggest problems i can remember recently (besides B dependancy problems) are that mod_perl would make apache fail under B certain confitions (which is fixed just today!) and that StarOffice B 5.01 doesn't like to work with glibc 2.1 (which isn't really B Debian's fault, and which we've found a fix for) Yes, glibc2.1 may still be a problem (though not as much as before), but I forsee some breakage when perl 5.005 is installed. Ciao, Martin
Re: Upgrading kernel of the same tree
AG == Arcady Genkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AG Is this a safe thing to do for kernels of the same tree? Yes. AG If there are any new features in the configuration of the next AG kernel, how would such practice affect it? If you use make-kpkg to build your kernel, you will be asked what to do on new options (I believe this is also the case with standard build methods, but I don't use them). Ciao, Martin
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