Bon dia: Es poden complimentar els camps d'un formulari pdf amb algun programa lliure? Recordo haver-ho vist en algun lloc, però no recordo si era una feature d'un programa privatiu o lliure... Salut! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problemes amb WordPress
hola! a mi em sembla que això no té res a veure amb el port on està el servei. si estàs darrere d'un router que fa NAT cap a la teva màquina, llavors, des de la xarxa de la màquina no podràs accedir-hi . prova d'entrar-hi des d'una altra màquina de fora de la teva xarxa a veure si et funciona.. si va bé, vol dir que s'està fent correctament el NAT i que el teu wordpress és visible. pensava que hi havia una manera d'evitar aquest problema, via vhosts (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/es/vhosts/) però ara no ho recordo massa. jo crec que la solució ràpida era assegurar-se que des de fora funciona tot bé i des de la xarxa accedir-hi via ip o un nom d'intranet. però ésclar, això ja depèn de la paciència de cadascú ;) salutacions, pau. On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:19:55 +0100 saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: problemes amb WordPress
El Diumenge 17 Desembre 2006 14:05, pau va escriure: jo crec que la solució ràpida era assegurar-se que des de fora funciona tot bé i des de la xarxa accedir-hi via ip o un nom d'intranet. però ésclar, això ja depèn de la paciència de cadascú ;) Com diu el pau, això és perquè no pots veure la IP amb la que surts a Internet, perquè és la del teu router: veus el router. Hi ha varies solucions: - Hi ha routers que permeten desviar les peticions des de la intranet a la seva propia IP. Mai no ho he provat. - Si tens DNS intern, pots crear «DNS amb vistes» i que en teclejar un domini, la «vista» sigui diferent si veus el lloc des de la intranet. Cerca dns con vistas o dns views a Internet. - Tirar de l'arxiu /etc/hosts entrant-hi el domini que serveix el teu Apache i posant-hi la ip de la intranet. El /etc/hosts va abans que les consultes DNS, «mana més». La diferència amb la solució anterior és que cal tocar tts els /etc/hosts dels ordinadors de la xarxa, cosa que fa més recomanable la solució anterior de les vistes. -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat .
Re: problemes amb WordPress
No, si des de fora funciona tot perfectement El NAT el tinc configurat correctament en el router Adsl el problema és des de xarxa local jo poso http://192.168.1.25:21180 y entro a la pàgina principal el primer que veig es que és en texte pla, suposo que degut a que la ruta de les fulles d'estil ja deu ser errònia per ami però no per els que es conecten des de fora vaig passejant el ratoli per sobre els links i tots apunten a http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org/?page_id=. faig clic en un qualsevol i el navegador em diu El Firefox no pot establir una connexió amb el servidor a elmeudomini.no-ip.org perque? dons jo suposo que al trobar el nom http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org/?page_id=. mira a /etc/host, no trob res i resol el nom via DNS extern. El DNS extern li torna la meva IP publica o sigui que el link queda així http://lamevaippublica/?page_id=. quan tindria que ser http://192.168.1.25:21180/?page_id=. al estar en local si pogués fer que resolgues via /etc/hots o alguna cosa semblant el http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org/?page_id=. a http://192.168.1.25:211180/?page_id=. ja ho tindria solucionat però no sé com fer-ho A Diumenge 17 Desembre 2006 14:05, pau va escriure: hola! a mi em sembla que això no té res a veure amb el port on està el servei. si estàs darrere d'un router que fa NAT cap a la teva màquina, llavors, des de la xarxa de la màquina no podràs accedir-hi . prova d'entrar-hi des d'una altra màquina de fora de la teva xarxa a veure si et funciona.. si va bé, vol dir que s'està fent correctament el NAT i que el teu wordpress és visible. pensava que hi havia una manera d'evitar aquest problema, via vhosts (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/es/vhosts/) però ara no ho recordo massa. jo crec que la solució ràpida era assegurar-se que des de fora funciona tot bé i des de la xarxa accedir-hi via ip o un nom d'intranet. però ésclar, això ja depèn de la paciència de cadascú ;) salutacions, pau. On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:19:55 +0100 saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: PDF
Mirat aquesta pagina: http://www.oss.cayey.upr.edu/blogs/tecno4all/?cat=24 2006/12/17, Cubells [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bon dia: Es poden complimentar els camps d'un formulari pdf amb algun programa lliure? Recordo haver-ho vist en algun lloc, però no recordo si era una feature d'un programa privatiu o lliure... Salut! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Pere Nubiola Radigales Telf: +34 656316974 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problemes amb WordPress
hola! dons jo suposo que al trobar el nom http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org/?page_id=. mira a /etc/host, no trob res i resol el nom via DNS extern. El DNS extern li torna la meva IP publica o sigui que el link queda així http://lamevaippublica/?page_id=. quan tindria que ser http://192.168.1.25:21180/?page_id=. al estar en local aquest és el problema de voler accedir a una màquina que forma part del nostre rang de xarxa i que té serveis configurats per una ip pública (però que en realitat no la té, perquè és del router). des de la xarxa no la podràs veure, a no ser que enganyis al firefox. com? com diu en benjamí, definint-te un dns propi i enviant les peticions a latevaippublica on tu vulguis, o bé fent-ho a l'/etc/hosts per anticipar-te a la resposta dels servidors DNS públics la qüestió dels ports és la que no sé com solucionar. Seria possible dir-li a l'apache que escolti pel 80 i després serveixi al 21180? no en tinc ni idea, però el problema de la resolució i traducció de noms es queda als dos punts de la URL. la petició des de fora de la xarxa local es fa al port 80 i és el router qui redirigeix cap al 21180. si tu vols passar del router i anar directament a l'apache que tens a la ip 192.168.1.25, aquí és on hi ha el conflicte, perquè a la url no hi pots posar el port si vols que siguin compatibles les peticions des de fora amb les de dins de la xarxa. donant-hi voltes, em ve al cap l'url rewriting de l'apache (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html). busca-hi alguna cosa relacionada amb el SERVER_PORT (allà només hi ha un exemple). suposo que podràs dir-li que si la petició de de la xarxa local, te l'enviï cap on vulguis, fent la funció del router.. però vaja, això ja és emmerdar-se una mica més ;) a veure si et serveix! salutacions, pau.
Re: PDF
Efectivament, Pere... Tot just acabava de fer una última cerca a google amb les paraules fill pdf forms in ubuntu i havia trobat el flpsed, però no a aquesta adreça en castellà sinó en aquesta: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/11/editing-pdfs-in-ubuntu/ Ara mateix l'estava provant i et permet omplir els formularis pdf perfectament, important-los primer... Gràcies, una eina més!! En/na Pere Nubiola Radigales ha escrit: Mirat aquesta pagina: http://www.oss.cayey.upr.edu/blogs/tecno4all/?cat=24 2006/12/17, Cubells [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bon dia: Es poden complimentar els camps d'un formulari pdf amb algun programa lliure? Recordo haver-ho vist en algun lloc, però no recordo si era una feature d'un programa privatiu o lliure... Salut! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problemes amb WordPress
En/na saba ha escrit: Be, sembla que ho he trobat eh canviat la configuració a no-ip.com de manera que elmeudomini.no-ip.org apunti a http://lamevaippublica (abans apuntava a http://lamevaippublica.no-ip.org:21180) he posat a les opcions generals del WordPress http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org:21180 en els dos camps i he posat a /etc/hosts de la meva màquina aquesta entrada 192.168.1.25elmeudomini.no-ip.org ara per accedir-hi des de fora tinc que posar http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org:21180 (abans amb http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org n'hi avia prou) no queda tant elegant com abans però que hi farem ara puc treballar decentment A Diumenge 17 Desembre 2006 13:19, saba va escriure: Hola, fa dis dies que m'estic trencant el cap amb una qüestió, vaig montar divendres el WordPress amb apache com a virtual host en el port 21180 i en local funcionava perfecte per poder conectar des de Internet vaig tenir que canviar les dos adreces que hi ha a opcions generals , vaig substituir l'adreça local (192.168.1.25:21180) per una de no-ip elmeudomini.no-ip.org. No-ip ja em redirecciona totes les conexions a http:// elmeudomini.no-ip.org a http://lamevaip:21180 i funciona tot correcte des de internet el problema es que ara no em funciona amb local, com els links del wordpress son del tipus http://elmeudomini.no-ip.org/?cat=3; evidentment no funciona despres he pensat que posant una entrada al /etc/resolv.con aixi: 192.168.1.25elmeudomini.no-ip.org funcionaria, però res de res, suposo que si la web estigués al port 80 si que funcionaria però al estar en un port diferent del 80 em dona error no se si m'explico algú se l'hi acut alguna manera de solucionar-ho? Gracies per endavant Hola, arribo una mica tard però vaja... Fa un cert temps vaig plantejar una pregunta similar, jo em trobo que tinc un servidor casolà on accedeixo al WP tant desde la intranet de casa (http://ip.servidor.casa/wp/) com desde l'exterior. Ara bé, per accedir desde l'exterior utilitzo un tunel ssh, és a dir que accedeixo redirigint el port 80 de la màquina local, o sigui http://localhost/wp/. Em trobava amb el mateix problema que tu. Despreś d'un cert temps vaig trobar una solució en el paquet libapache2-mod-proxy-html. Posant el següent: ProxyRequests Off Proxy * Order deny,allow Allow from all /Proxy ProxyPass /blog/ http://localhost/wp/ ProxyPassReverse /blog/ http://localhost/wp/ al fitxer /etc/apache2/sites-available/default puc accedir al WP tant desde http://ip.servidor.casa/blog/ com desde http://localhost/blog/. No sé si és una bona solució perque d'apache en sé molt poc, però a mi em funciona. Salut. Ivà. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PDF
El pdfedit va ser el primer programa que vaig provar perquè ja el coneixia, però he obert un formulari pdf i no ha pogut ni llegir-lo perquè deia que el pde estava encriptat. En canvi, amb el flpsed i amb el mateix fitxer pdf no he tingut cap problema... Gràcies Miguel... En/na Miguel Gea Milvaques ha escrit: No exactament com a formulari, però amb el pdfedit pots editar el pdf i posar el que necessites a cada camp. Encara no està a Debian, però no tardarà, està en preparació. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kdm + terminer la session
HEHO a écrit, le 15.12.2006 11:12 : re, re debian etch à jour (2.6.18-3-686). suite à un problème avec kde évoqué dans un autre fil je me suis rendu compte d'un disfonctionnement de kdm (je ne sais pas quand il est apparu car je n'utilise pas cette ligne du menu souvent mais avant ça marchait). quand je fais terminer la session afin de la relancer kde au lieu de m'afficher le dialogue de connexion kdm (utilisateur, mot de passe) je tombe sur le shell tty1 : bon, apparemment on dirait le bug #398589 ici : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=Bug%23398589 pas de solution pour l'instant j'ai l'impression... à plus. hého -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde + restaurer la session précédente + icedove
HEHO a écrit, le 15.12.2006 10:58 : je suis sur une debian etch à jour (2.6.18-3-686). j'utilise dans les options de kde restaurer la session précédente afin de lancer au démarrage de session firefox/iceweasel et thunderbird/icedove (comme ça c'est fait) ;) suite aux dernières mises à jour (pas trés précis mais je ne sais plus laquelle) icedove/thunderbird ne se lance plus [...] bonjour, bon bah comme j'ai rien trouvé nulle part, j'ai envoyé un rapport de bug sur icedove ici : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403458 en espérant que ça soit justifié :/ à plus. hého -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Etch] Cpufreq m'envoie balader!
Bonjours, J'ai voulu régler le frequency scaling sur mon portable car j'en avais marre de l'entendre tourner à fond pour 3 fois rien. J'ai donc installé cpufreqd sur mon PC... Mais ce dernier refuse de se lancer, j'ai pourtant tenté de configurer mon noyau correctement. Voici d'ailleurs ce que me renvoie: $ cat /boot/config-2.6.18-ulysse |grep FREQ CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT_DETAILS=y # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE is not set CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_USERSPACE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_CONSERVATIVE=y CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m # CONFIG_X86_CPUFREQ_NFORCE2 is not set CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF=y et là ce que me donne: $ cat /boot/config-2.6.18-ulysse |grep ACPI CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=m # CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY is not set CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m # CONFIG_ACPI_DOCK is not set CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m # CONFIG_ACPI_IBM is not set # CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA is not set CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0 # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y # CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER is not set # CONFIG_ACPI_SBS is not set CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI=m # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI_IBM is not set CONFIG_PNPACPI=y En revanche, je me suis apperçu que le module ACPI_FREQ n'était pas lancé au démarrage, et lorsque je veux le lancer j'obtient ceci: # modprobe acpi_cpufreq FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-ulysse/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device quelqu'un voit-il ce qui cloche??? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Etch] Cpufreq m'envoie balader!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon GRAY a écrit : Bonjours, Salut, J'ai voulu régler le frequency scaling sur mon portable car j'en avais marre de l'entendre tourner à fond pour 3 fois rien. le doux bruit du cpu qui crépite ;) J'ai donc installé cpufreqd sur mon PC... Pour ma part, j'ai installé powernowd, ça n'a pas posé de problème... Amicalement David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFhUA318/WetbTC/oRAlgpAKCdDD1y7+phBBF9J/fwSIbbPZegswCfcbJa l4yEmRgOAUd8sMfUL1vUK3E= =57Pd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Etch] Cpufreq m'envoie balader!
Leon GRAY a écrit : Bonjours, J'ai voulu régler le frequency scaling sur mon portable car j'en avais marre de l'entendre tourner à fond pour 3 fois rien. J'ai donc installé cpufreqd sur mon PC... Mais ce dernier refuse de se lancer, j'ai pourtant tenté de configurer mon noyau correctement. Voici d'ailleurs ce que me renvoie: $ cat /boot/config-2.6.18-ulysse |grep FREQ CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT_DETAILS=y # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE is not set CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_USERSPACE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_CONSERVATIVE=y CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m # CONFIG_X86_CPUFREQ_NFORCE2 is not set CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF=y et là ce que me donne: $ cat /boot/config-2.6.18-ulysse |grep ACPI CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=m # CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY is not set CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m # CONFIG_ACPI_DOCK is not set CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m # CONFIG_ACPI_IBM is not set # CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA is not set CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0 # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y # CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER is not set # CONFIG_ACPI_SBS is not set CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI=m # CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI_IBM is not set CONFIG_PNPACPI=y En revanche, je me suis apperçu que le module ACPI_FREQ n'était pas lancé au démarrage, et lorsque je veux le lancer j'obtient ceci: # modprobe acpi_cpufreq FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-ulysse/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device T'as quoi comme portable ? c'est peut être po acpi_cpufreq qu'il faut ms intel speedstep... Sinon en mettant en dur acpi_cpufreq ? quelqu'un voit-il ce qui cloche??? Tcho GiGGz -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
iceweasel firefox 2 etch
Bonjour, Es ce que quelqu'un a des informations sur la disponibilité de iceweasel ou de firefox 2 sous etch ? En cherchant sur le site debian on dirait que tout est bloqué ?!? A+ Philippe MERLIN
clamav: pas de mise à jour
Bonjour, Je ne comprends pas pourquoi mais la base de clamav ne se met pas à jour. J'ai pourtant freshclamn d'installé. Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iceweasel firefox 2 etch
Am Sonntag, 17. Dezember 2006 14:15 schrieb Philippe Merlin: Bonjour, Es ce que quelqu'un a des informations sur la disponibilité de iceweasel ou de firefox 2 sous etch ? En cherchant sur le site debian on dirait que tout est bloqué ?!? A+ Philippe MERLIN Salut, la version sid fonctionne sous etch Klaus
webcam D-MAX sur portable ASUS
Bonjour ! J'ai fait récemment l'acquisition d'un portable ASUS , er dessus il y a une webcam intégrée D-MAX (STK1135) , j'aimerais faire fonctionner la chose sur ma Debian. Je n'ai pas trouvé quelles sont les bonnes options de configuration du noyau ... ni quels outils utiliser. Quelqu'un a-til ce genre de webcam ? Fonctionne t-elle sous Linux ? Merci mahashakti89 -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iceweasel firefox 2 etch
Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 14:15, Philippe Merlin a écrit : Bonjour, Es ce que quelqu'un a des informations sur la disponibilité de iceweasel ou de firefox 2 sous etch ? En cherchant sur le site debian on dirait que tout est bloqué ?!? A+ Philippe MERLIN Pour firefox 2, tant qu'il y a le problème sur le logo-licence entre la communauté Debian et la Fondation Mozilla, je ne pense pas que l'on puisse le voir dans les dépots officiels... mais tu peux toujours l'installer à la mano (dans opt et en faisant les liens necessaires dans /usr/bin)... Pour iceweasel, il est dès à présent dans les dépots sid... Tu peux jouer avec les priorités dans les préférences de apt pour l'installer par exemple: moi dans /etc/apt/preference, j'ai mis Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 100 sans oublier de rajouter dans source.list les dépots sid # Sid deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free J'ai ainsi dans synaptic la possibilité d'installer iceweasel... et bien sûr de multiple autres paquets à mettre à jour ou non... Mais tu es un grand garçon tu sais ce que tu dois faire ou non, n'est-ce pas ? ;) Bon après-midi Djellel
Re: iceweasel firefox 2 etch
Philippe Merlin a écrit : Bonjour, Es ce que quelqu'un a des informations sur la disponibilité de iceweasel ou de firefox 2 sous etch ? En cherchant sur le site debian on dirait que tout est bloqué ?!? A+ Philippe MERLIN Je suis aussi sous etch, je préfère rester avec la version actuelle de Firefox en attendant la v2 de iceweasel sous etch si elle sort un jour... bye -- Shams-Eddine Fantar Blog (http://sfantar.homelinux.org) Site (http://support-debian.homelinux.org) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Bonjour a tous, Trois mois que je bataille J'ai : Portable HP zd8182ea ATI Mobility Radeon X600 256 de ram Debian Etch J'ai essayé : Avec les paquets Debian : fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-driver-dev fglrx-kernel-src Ensuite : http://www.google.fr/linux deb http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xfree86/ aussi avec le site d'ATI ati-driver-installer-8.24.8-x86.run Rien ni fait, alors j'ai tout viré et réinstallé les paquets Debian. Et alors : nia$ glxinfo | head -n 3 name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No J'en boufferai mon portable :-) Si quelqu'un peut m'indiquer un pas à pas pour le nul que je suis je le bénit. Georges Ps : Est'il possible de virer la carte ATI et mettre une GForce comme sur certains portables Kenitek, Keynux ? Ps2 : Oui sur Ubuntu sa marche ;-) Merci d'avance -- http://counter.li.org/ User 257 481
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Bonjour, Georges a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Trois mois que je bataille J'ai : Portable HP zd8182ea ATI Mobility Radeon X600 256 de ram Debian Etch J'ai essayé : Avec les paquets Debian : fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-driver-dev fglrx-kernel-src Ensuite : http://www.google.fr/linux deb http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xfree86/ aussi avec le site d'ATI ati-driver-installer-8.24.8-x86.run Rien ni fait, alors j'ai tout viré et réinstallé les paquets Debian. Et alors : nia$ glxinfo | head -n 3 name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No J'en boufferai mon portable :-) Si quelqu'un peut m'indiquer un pas à pas pour le nul que je suis je le bénit. J'ai également une X600 sous Testing et j'utilise depuis plus d'un an le driver propriétaire de ATI. Tu peux donc suivre mon mémo et m'écrire en privé si tu le souhaite : - http://www.coagul.org/article.php3?id_article=444 Bonne chance. Tony -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 16:42, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Bonjour, Georges a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Trois mois que je bataille [...] Rien ni fait, alors j'ai tout viré et réinstallé les paquets Debian. Et alors : nia$ glxinfo | head -n 3 Ligne que je n'avai pas recopié et qui me parait bizare Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0 name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No [...] J'ai également une X600 sous Testing et j'utilise depuis plus d'un an le driver propriétaire de ATI. Tu peux donc suivre mon mémo et m'écrire en privé si tu le souhaite : - http://www.coagul.org/article.php3?id_article=444 Bonne chance. ;-))) Tony Merci, je visite et je reviens -- http://counter.li.org/ User 257 481
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 17:04, Georges a écrit : Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 16:42, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Bonjour, Georges a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Trois mois que je bataille [...] Rien ni fait, alors j'ai tout viré et réinstallé les paquets Debian. Et alors : nia$ glxinfo | head -n 3 Ligne que je n'avai pas recopié et qui me parait bizare Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0 name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: No [...] J'ai également une X600 sous Testing et j'utilise depuis plus d'un an le driver propriétaire de ATI. Tu peux donc suivre mon mémo et m'écrire en privé si tu le souhaite : - http://www.coagul.org/article.php3?id_article=444 Bonne chance. ;-))) Tony Merci, je visite et je reviens J'ai vu j'ai lu j'ai fait et xorg.conf avec driver fglrx = écran noir et même plus de Ctrl+Alt+F1 Seul marche Ctrl+Alt+Bakspace qui ( c'est inhabituel ) reboote le micro. Remise du driver ati ou radeon dans xorg.conf et sa repart. J'ai plus un poil sur le caillou; A + Georges -- http://counter.li.org/ User 257 481
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Re, Georges a écrit : Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 17:04, Georges a écrit : Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 16:42, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : J'ai également une X600 sous Testing et j'utilise depuis plus d'un an le driver propriétaire de ATI. Tu peux donc suivre mon mémo et m'écrire en privé si tu le souhaite : - http://www.coagul.org/article.php3?id_article=444 Bonne chance. ;-))) Tony Merci, je visite et je reviens J'ai vu j'ai lu j'ai fait et xorg.conf avec driver fglrx = écran noir et même plus de Ctrl+Alt+F1 Seul marche Ctrl+Alt+Bakspace qui ( c'est inhabituel ) reboote le micro. Remise du driver ati ou radeon dans xorg.conf et sa repart. As-tu bien supprimé toutes les traces des anciennes installations avant de commencer celle-ci ? Que donne le résultat de la commande 'cat /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log' ? As-tu essayé d'utiliser 'gcc-4.0' comme indiqué dans le mémo ? As-tu utilisé la commande 'aticonfig --initial -f' pour avoir un fichier xorg par défaut ? A bientôt. Tony -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Re, Georges a écrit : Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 17:04, Georges a écrit : Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 16:42, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : J'ai également une X600 sous Testing et j'utilise depuis plus d'un an le driver propriétaire de ATI. Tu peux donc suivre mon mémo et m'écrire en privé si tu le souhaite : - http://www.coagul.org/article.php3?id_article=444 Bonne chance. ;-))) Tony Merci, je visite et je reviens J'ai vu j'ai lu j'ai fait et xorg.conf avec driver fglrx = écran noir et même plus de Ctrl+Alt+F1 Seul marche Ctrl+Alt+Bakspace qui ( c'est inhabituel ) reboote le micro. Remise du driver ati ou radeon dans xorg.conf et sa repart. As-tu bien supprimé toutes les traces des anciennes installations avant de commencer celle-ci ? Que donne le résultat de la commande 'cat /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log' ? As-tu essayé d'utiliser 'gcc-4.0' comme indiqué dans le mémo ? As-tu utilisé la commande 'aticonfig --initial -f' pour avoir un fichier xorg par défaut ? Et quelle est la version de xorg et du noyau Linux ? A bientôt. Tony -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Choix d'un tuner TV pour Debian
Bonjour tout le monde, je suis en train de choisir un tuner TV pour ma machine qui tourne sous Debian Testing. J'hésite entre les modeles suivantes: * Hauppauge Stick TNT WinTV Nova; * Hauppauge WinTV HVR93 TNT; * ADS Mini TV USB; * Pinnacle PCTV USB Stick. Ma question est lequel de ces 4 est plus facile a faire marcher/utiliser sous mon Debian? Merci à l'avance, LITVINOV Vadim pgpv3MgPfwPxX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Choix d'un tuner TV pour Debian
Litvinov Vadim a écrit : Bonjour tout le monde, je suis en train de choisir un tuner TV pour ma machine qui tourne sous Debian Testing. J'hésite entre les modeles suivantes: * Hauppauge Stick TNT WinTV Nova; * Hauppauge WinTV HVR93 TNT; * ADS Mini TV USB; * Pinnacle PCTV USB Stick. Ma question est lequel de ces 4 est plus facile a faire marcher/utiliser sous mon Debian? Merci à l'avance, LITVINOV Vadim Bonjour, verifie s'il y a un chips sur http://www.trustonme.net/didactels/123.html Mais moi, çà n'engage que moi, j'éviterais l'USB Les hauppauge sont des cartes à base de bt878 si mes souvenirs sont bons donc compatibles.Mais ils font mme de la pub sur la boite (genre bt878 inside), il doit y avoir des linuxiens dans les dev. De rien. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:[Resolu] [Etch] Cpufreq m'envoie balader!
giggz wrote: T'as quoi comme portable ? [MaVie] Un Asus A6VC (c'est comme le A6VA mais avec une carte Nvidia au lieu d'une ATI).[/MaVie] c'est peut être po acpi_cpufreq qu'il faut ms intel speedstep... Effectivement, j'ai remi les CONFIG_CPU_FREQ en module (en mettant cette fois ci USERSPACE comme choix par default) et j'ai fait un modprode speedstep_centrino, et tout de suite il a arrété de raler. J'ai ensuite relancé cpufreqd et maintenant c'est bon, il me gère bien la frequence du processeur. Merci beaucoup P.S: En revanche le cpu n'a pas l'air de vouloir descendre en dessous de 1300 MHz (la fréquence max est 1,6GHz) ça fait pas une grosse baisse... A suivre... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Resolu] [Etch] Cpufreq m'envoie balader!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Leon GRAY a écrit : [...] P.S: En revanche le cpu n'a pas l'air de vouloir descendre en dessous de 1300 MHz (la fréquence max est 1,6GHz) ça fait pas une grosse baisse... A suivre... cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFhZkU18/WetbTC/oRAuT2AJ9y+oMva4rBgJWdZGNWuxepSWbnGwCfYtDb PuaV5fc59YT4eN0scAFwiyI= =i4DX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iceweasel firefox 2 etch
Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 14:15, Philippe Merlin a écrit : Bonjour, Es ce que quelqu'un a des informations sur la disponibilité de iceweasel ou de firefox 2 sous etch ? En cherchant sur le site debian on dirait que tout est bloqué ?!? Ces deux liens te permettront d'avoir des renseignements très détaillés : http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel -- Michel Grentzinger OpenPGP key ID : B2BAFAFA Available on http://www.keyserver.net
eth0 pas reconnu ??
Bonjour, j'ai installé une Sarge sur une machine mais impossible de faire reconnaitre la eth0 !! C'est une via-rhine (D-Link) qui est portant affichée dans la 'dmesg' et dont le bon module via_rhine apparait dans le lsmod. Normalement il faudrait l'interrupt 17 pour cette eth0, mais pas d'interrupt du tout. Un lspci indique bel et bien la carte. /la /etc/network/interfaces est configurée comme il se doit. Si quelqu'un a un tuyau ? mess-mate -- Advancement in position.
Grub refuse de s'installer sur le mbr (disque SATA)
Salut, J'ai un problème avec grub : voulant faire en sorte que l'option vga=794 que j'ai passée pour un de mes noyaux ne soit pas écrasée à chaque update de grub (sachant que je suis en SID, ça arrive plus souvent qu'à l'accoutumée !), j'ai tapé un : grub-install /dev/sda sachant que mon disque dur (seul) est un disque SATA. Mais là, j'ai eu ce message : /usr/sbin/grub-install: line 484: /usr/sbin/grub: cannot execute binary file qui se répète sans fin. Je fais Ctrl-C, ce qui arrête le script, et je redémarre. En toute logique, grub foire, et se colle direct en mode texte de base (où il faut passer toutes les commandes à la main : kernel /boot/vmlinuz, load, etc.). Bon, je suis rerentré sur mon système, et j'ai retenté le grub-install, mais il foire toujours. J'ai cherché sur le net, mais personne ne semble avoir exactement cette erreur. Je me demande s'il ne s'agit pas d'un bug de grub (je suis en SID, et j'ai fait l'upgrade hier soir), mais je trouve ça bizarre. Ce qui est sûr, c'est que j'ai compilé pas mal de noyau dans le week end, grub a été updaté à chaque fois, forcément, et je n'ai pas eu de souci (mais est-ce que grub-install est exécuté à chaque fois qu'un nouveau noyau apparaît ?). Merci. A plus tard. -- == Aurélien Roux -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Le Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 06:46:08PM +0100, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Et quelle est la version de xorg et du noyau Linux ? Est-ce que ton PC est sur architecture 64bits ? Parce que je viens de me battre pendant une semaine pour me rendre compte que les drivers ati 8.20 (donc, ceux du site, ceux de Debian, etc.) appellent un symbole 32bits. Il y avait un patch, mais il n'y en a plus. Et sur le site d'ATI ils recommandent d'avoir je ne sais plus trop quoi d'installer en 32bits. Du coup, n'étant pas plus chaud que ça pour du propriétaire, et encore moins pour coller du 32bits, j'ai lâché l'affaire, je suis passé au driver Radeon (c'est pour une X800 GTO 16), avec aiglx et tout le toutim, et ça tourne honnêtement. Je reviendrais vers le driver ATI quand il sera purement 64 bits (bien que je n'ai pas encore cerné tous les tenants et aboutissants de cette histoire). -- == Aurélien Roux Doctorant (PhD) Laboratoire d'Acoustique de l'Université du Maine UMR CNRS 6613 Avenue Olivier Messiaen 72085 Le Mans Cedex 9 France Tel (bureau) : (33) 02 43 83 35 89 Fax : (33) 02 43 83 35 20 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://laum.univ-lemans.fr http://www.univ-lemans.fr __ / Chiffrez et signez vos messages \ |Utilisez les clés GnuPG | | | |HOWTO : | | http://vilya.org/gpg/gpg-intro.html | \ __ / == -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Bonsoir, Aurelien Roux a écrit : Le Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 06:46:08PM +0100, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Et quelle est la version de xorg et du noyau Linux ? Est-ce que ton PC est sur architecture 64bits ? Non, en effet, je suis en 32bits. Parce que je viens de me battre pendant une semaine pour me rendre compte que les drivers ati 8.20 (donc, ceux du site, ceux de Debian, etc.) appellent un symbole 32bits. Il y avait un patch, mais il n'y en a plus. Et sur le site d'ATI ils recommandent d'avoir je ne sais plus trop quoi d'installer en 32bits. Du coup, n'étant pas plus chaud que ça pour du propriétaire, et encore moins pour coller du 32bits, j'ai lâché l'affaire, je suis passé au driver Radeon (c'est pour une X800 GTO 16), avec aiglx et tout le toutim, et ça tourne honnêtement. Tu pourrais m'indiquer ce que tu as installé pour arriver à faire fonctionner ta carte, car personnellement si je pouvais avoir l'accélération 3D sans passer par le driver propriétaire je préférerais également. Merci d'avance. Tony -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eth0 pas reconnu ??
Salut, Que donne un ifconfig ? f. mess-mate wrote: Bonjour, j'ai installé une Sarge sur une machine mais impossible de faire reconnaitre la eth0 !! C'est une via-rhine (D-Link) qui est portant affichée dans la 'dmesg' et dont le bon module via_rhine apparait dans le lsmod. Normalement il faudrait l'interrupt 17 pour cette eth0, mais pas d'interrupt du tout. Un lspci indique bel et bien la carte. /la /etc/network/interfaces est configurée comme il se doit. Si quelqu'un a un tuyau ? mess-mate -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Le Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 08:53:42PM +0100, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Bonsoir, Tu pourrais m'indiquer ce que tu as installé pour arriver à faire fonctionner ta carte, car personnellement si je pouvais avoir l'accélération 3D sans passer par le driver propriétaire je préférerais également. OK. Alors, c'est finalement assez simple, l'essentiel se passe dans le xorg.conf et dans /etc/modules. Donc, côté noyau, j'ai compilé le driver radeon dans la section DRM (ma carte est en PCI-Express, donc je n'ai rien dans la section agpgart). Le DRM est activé en dur. En revanche, et je crois que c'est important, je ne l'ai pas compilé dans la partie framebuffer (j'utilise le framebuffer, mais je n'ai pas mis le module correspondant à la carte). Dans /etc/modules j'ai écrit : drm radeon Puis dans xorg.conf, j'ai les lignes suivantes (je ne mets que ce qui est spécifique) : Section Module Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadtype1 Loadvbe EndSection [...] Section Device [...] Driver radeon [...] Option AccelMethod XAA # Utiliser l'accélération de l'architecture Xfree86 Option AccelDFS 1 # mettre à 0 si carte AGP # Option AGPMode 4 # décommenter si AGP # Option AGPSize 128 # décommenter si AGP (AGP Aperture Size) Option GARTsize 64 Option RingSize 8 Option BufferSize 2 Option EnablePageFlip 1 Option ColorTiling 1 Option EnableDepthMoves yes Option UseFBDev false Option RenderAccel true # activation de l'accélération 3D matérielle Option mtrr on # c'est là qu'il peut y avoir des souci avec le framebuffer Option SubPixelOrder none Option DPMS Option DynamicClocks on Option VideoOverlay on Option OpenGLOverlay off EndSection [...] Section ServerLayout [...] Option AIGLX true EndSection [...] Section Extensions Option Composite Enable EndSection Voilou. J'ai trouvé tout ça à partir de liens donnés dans des mails précédents sur la liste, je crois. Je vous filerais les liens quand j'aurais retrouvé mon démarrage de PC convenable (voir message précédent !). Sinon, je serais quand même intéressé de connaître les significations et usage des options de la section driver : GARTSize, RingSize, BufferSize, parce que je les ai remplies à partir d'un tuto pour Radeon Mobility (X700, il me semble), et ça n'est pas ce que j'ai, peut-être puis-je optimiser cela. Merci. -- == Aurélien Roux -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eth0 pas reconnu ??
mess-mate wrote: Bonjour, j'ai installé une Sarge sur une machine mais impossible de faire reconnaitre la eth0 !! C'est une via-rhine (D-Link) qui est portant affichée dans la 'dmesg' et dont le bon module via_rhine apparait dans le lsmod. Normalement il faudrait l'interrupt 17 pour cette eth0, mais pas d'interrupt du tout. Un lspci indique bel et bien la carte. /la /etc/network/interfaces est configurée comme il se doit. Si quelqu'un a un tuyau ? mess-mate J'ai eu le même problème sur une install (pendant la procédure d'install), et c'était parce que le noyau (2.6.jenesaisplusquoi) a un problème avec ce module, et qu'il n'est pas utilisable. Je me rappelle avoir dû choisir de booter sur un 2.4, compiler un noyau plus récent, et là, c'était bon. C'était avec le netinstall de Sarge, il y a un mois et demi environ, donc j'imagine (peut-être à tort) que le noyau présent dans Sarge n'a pas changé depuis. -- == Aurélien Roux Doctorant (PhD) Laboratoire d'Acoustique de l'Université du Maine UMR CNRS 6613 Avenue Olivier Messiaen 72085 Le Mans Cedex 9 France Tel (bureau) : (33) 02 43 83 35 89 Fax : (33) 02 43 83 35 20 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://laum.univ-lemans.fr http://www.univ-lemans.fr __ / Chiffrez et signez vos messages \ |Utilisez les clés GnuPG | | | |HOWTO : | | http://vilya.org/gpg/gpg-intro.html | \ __ / == -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Le Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 09:40:21PM +0100, Aurelien Roux a écrit : Le Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 08:53:42PM +0100, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Bonsoir, Tu pourrais m'indiquer ce que tu as installé pour arriver à faire fonctionner ta carte, car personnellement si je pouvais avoir l'accélération 3D sans passer par le driver propriétaire je préférerais également. J'oubliais : j'ai commencé par désinstaller les paquets fglrx-src, etc. (mais en même temps, je suis passé d'un noyau 2.6.18 à 2.6.19, donc je ne risquais pas d'avoir d'ennui). -- == Aurélien Roux Doctorant (PhD) Laboratoire d'Acoustique de l'Université du Maine UMR CNRS 6613 Avenue Olivier Messiaen 72085 Le Mans Cedex 9 France Tel (bureau) : (33) 02 43 83 35 89 Fax : (33) 02 43 83 35 20 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://laum.univ-lemans.fr http://www.univ-lemans.fr __ / Chiffrez et signez vos messages \ |Utilisez les clés GnuPG | | | |HOWTO : | | http://vilya.org/gpg/gpg-intro.html | \ __ / == -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
postfix et mailman
Bonjour, J'ai installé postfix et mailman à partir de la doc : http://wiki.unelectronlibre.info/serveurmail/installation_et_configuration_serveur_mail_webmail_et_liste_de_diffusion Genaliases me renvoit cette erreur : ultra:/home/f1sxo# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases, line 116, in ? main() File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases, line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=False) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 593, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 566, in __load dict = loadfunc(fp) ImportError: No module named csq]qUbounce_notify_owner_on_disableqI01 Une idée ? -- Frédéric Zulian f1sxo http://www.zulian.com/ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: config exim
En ce Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:07:42 +0100, le sermon de Jacques L'helgoualc'h [EMAIL PROTECTED] contenait: Jacques L'helgoualc'h a écrit, samedi 16 décembre 2006, à 23:33 : [...] Ajouter d'abord la bonne adresse, et ensuite marquer la mauvaise comme « delivered » ? S'il n'y a pas d'espaces dans les adresses, J'ai bien fait de nier par avance, c'est plutôt mailq | \ awk '$6 == frozen $4 ~ /^[EMAIL PROTECTED]@/{print $3}' mids # vérifier le fichier mids ADRESSE_OK='la_bonne_adresse' MAUVAISE='[EMAIL PROTECTED]@...' EXPED='le_bon_expediteur' while read MID ; do exim -Mar $MID $ADRESSE_OK exim -Mmd $MID $MAUVAISE exim -Mes $MID $EXPED done mids Bonsoir; Je te remercie. Cela a fonctionné, j'ai pu vider les 200 mail en attente! J'ai (eu) du mal à comprendre les options de exim -Mar et autres, mais j'y suis arrivé. Amicalement. Rémi. -- R. Suinot: http://rsuinot.free.fr = page perso http://rsuinux.free.fr = projets: Oups! | Domotique | domino | Le jeu idiot
Re: firefox 1.5 et javascript
Salut, moi j'ai le même message d'erreur sous Ubuntu 6.10 + Firefox 2.0 : je m'en suis aperçu sur un site que je suis en train de construire. Le problème, en l'occurence, vient de l'utilisation de location.href en javascript pour changer l'URL de la page courante. Par exemple la ligne suivante produit l'erreur Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol(javascript) isn't associated with any program. : window.location.href = http://www.cnrs.fr;; alors qu'avec les 2 lignes suivantes ça fonctionne bien : var urlnew = http://www.cnrs.fr;; window.location.href = urlnew; C'est bizarre ... Cyril BERNARD Clermont-Ferrand -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
L'Italia non pi#249;d ettare una moda il mondo...
More information http://www.geocities.com/me_hosukex - -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Probleme avec sshfs
Bonjour, J'avais l'habitude sous Ubuntu d'utiliser sshfs pour monter localement des partitions distantes. Récemment je suis passé à Debian, et ça ne fonctionne plus, alors que ssh oui. La commande que j'utilise est : sshfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/dir /mnt/dir pour réponse j'obtiens : remote host has disconnected J'essaye de me connecter depuis une machine sous Ubuntu. J'ai essayé de faire un modprobe fuse avant de lancer sshfs, et je me suis ajouté au groupe fuse. Merci de votre aide. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Vous pouvez aussi ajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TECH] ATI X600 Debian Etch 3D
Le dimanche 17 décembre 2006 20:48, Aurelien Roux a écrit : Le Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 06:46:08PM +0100, Tony GALMICHE a écrit : Et quelle est la version de xorg et du noyau Linux ? Est-ce que ton PC est sur architecture 64bits ? Parce que je viens de me battre pendant une semaine pour me rendre compte que les drivers ati 8.20 (donc, ceux du site, ceux de Debian, etc.) appellent un symbole 32bits. Il y avait un patch, mais il n'y en a plus. Et sur le site d'ATI ils recommandent d'avoir je ne sais plus trop quoi d'installer en 32bits. Intel Pentium 4 donc en 32 bits // HP zd800/8182ea 2005 donc 32 bits Du coup, n'étant pas plus chaud que ça pour du propriétaire, et encore moins pour coller du 32bits, j'ai lâché l'affaire, je suis passé au driver Radeon (c'est pour une X800 GTO 16), avec aiglx et tout le toutim, et ça tourne honnêtement. Je reviendrais vers le driver ATI quand il sera purement 64 bits (bien que je n'ai pas encore cerné tous les tenants et aboutissants de cette histoire). ATI = Vivement que la chine nous inonde de PC qui marchent sous Linux ;-) Et adieu les ogres US. Aurélien Roux Merci quand même. Georges -- http://counter.li.org/ User 257 481
skandiabanken m.m
jag sände lite gnäll om ärlighet och uppriktighet (och kanske också ifrågasatt förståelse = kunskap ) till skandiabanken och fick detta svar .. Bra i sig men det handlar om att från början bemöta oss kunder med ärlighet och förståelse inte om inbillade tekniska begränsningar i kommunikationen med omvärlden tycker gert karlsson Hej Gert! Om ditt missnöje gäller problemet med inloggning för Linux/nixkunder kanske nedanstående artikel kan glädja dig. http://computersweden.idg.se/2.139/1.88997 ___ Vänliga hälsningar Andreaz Emtfors Webmaster Skandia Försäkring och Bank SE-106 55 Stockholm Besöksadress: Hamngatan 15 Telefon: 020-55 55 00 Telefon utland: +46 771-55 55 00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.skandia.se gert karlsson
lex skandiabanken
när listans medlemmar (och många fler) lyckas så bra med att få förståelse hos skandiabanken, för valfrihet med bibehållen funktion vad avser OS linux så känns det som att det är dags att gå vidare och se vad som kan åstadkommas för att påverka begreppet e-legitimation hos bl.a skattemyndigeten, sjukkassan, ams .fl- allt under samma enkla form. D.v.s utan M§, wine, iexplore, mm.mm. Vad kan göras ??? gert karlsson
Re: lex skandiabanken
sön 2006-12-17 klockan 19:08 +0100 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: när listans medlemmar (och många fler) lyckas så bra med att få förståelse hos skandiabanken, för valfrihet med bibehållen funktion vad avser OS linux så känns det som att det är dags att gå vidare och se vad som kan åstadkommas för att påverka begreppet e-legitimation hos bl.a skattemyndigeten, sjukkassan, ams .fl- allt under samma enkla form. D.v.s utan M§, wine, iexplore, mm.mm. Vad kan göras ??? gert karlsson Vad är det som ska påverkas? Har använt e-legitimation hos Skatteverket och CSN, bland annat, och aldrig haft några problem med det. Fungerar det hos banken så fungerar det hos dem också såvitt jag förstår. Skandiabanken verkar fortfarande inte ha förstått nånting, eftersom de fortfaranda snackar om operativsystem, men det är ju bra att de slutar att stänga ute vissa av dem med flit i alla fall. -- Vincent Lönngren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mer om banker
sön 2006-12-17 klockan 19:08 +0100 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: när listans medlemmar (och många fler) lyckas så bra med att få förståelse hos skandiabanken, för valfrihet med bibehållen funktion vad avser OS linux så känns det som att det är dags att gå vidare och se vad som kan åstadkommas för att påverka begreppet e-legitimation hos bl.a skattemyndigeten, sjukkassan, ams .fl- allt under samma enkla form. D.v.s utan M§, wine, iexplore, mm.mm. Vad kan göras ??? gert karlsson Vad är det som ska påverkas? Har använt e-legitimation hos Skatteverket och CSN, bland annat, och aldrig haft några problem med det. Fungerar det hos banken så fungerar det hos dem också såvitt jag förstår. Skandiabanken verkar fortfarande inte ha förstått nånting, eftersom de fortfaranda snackar om operativsystem, men det är ju bra att de slutar att stänga ute vissa av dem med flit i alla fall. -- Vincent Lönngren [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- men .. hallå .. det är ju precis det det inte gör .. fungerar mot banken allstå .. prova handelsbanken t.ex. ( sen är det så att en del av förklaringen kan vara att en del (banker och myndigheter kallar BANK-ID för e-leg och e-leg för BANK-ID men nog nu .. har någon loggat in mot handelsbanken via deras (BANK-ID / E-leg.) från en debian dator utan att använda wine . så snälla berätta hur för mig. gert karlsson
Re: mer om banker
sön 2006-12-17 klockan 21:48 +0100 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: men .. hallå .. det är ju precis det det inte gör .. fungerar mot banken allstå .. prova handelsbanken t.ex. ( sen är det så att en del av förklaringen kan vara att en del (banker och myndigheter kallar BANK-ID för e-leg och e-leg för BANK-ID men nog nu .. har någon loggat in mot handelsbanken via deras (BANK-ID / E-leg.) från en debian dator utan att använda wine . så snälla berätta hur för mig. gert karlsson Det finns många banker det inte fungerar med, men det är väl knappast Skatteverkets eller Försäkringskassans fel. Det finns banker det fungerar med också. -- Vincent Lönngren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pludselig ingen ssh-connect til server
Hej alle, Ja, det er lidt pinligt, men efter at have kørt en etch-baseret server m/ denyhosts i et pænt stykke tid er jeg pludselig begyndt ikke at måtte ssh'e til serveren mere. Jeg kan komme ind af bagdøren, rense /etc/hosts.deny for min ip og ligeledes fjerne spor i /var/lib/denyhosts/* ... her har jeg tillige oprettet en allowed-hosts, men ligemeget hjælper det: Hver gang jeg tror, at nu må jeg da få adgang er beskeden connection refused ... andre der har en lignende oplevelse, og kom af med den? -- Mange hilsner / Kind regards Kasper Myram [EMAIL PROTECTED] [http://kasper.myram.dk] msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:1717852 qrv:145.225MHz mob:40949040 qra:jo65fq coord: N55°42.3432 E12°29.6748 Luk 4. 24 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Dist-upgrade
Em 16/12/06, G.Paulo[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Prezados: Quero saber a experiência de vocês com isso: já fiz duas vezes um upgrade do Debian GNU-Linux em meu compudador. A útima foi do Woody para o Sarge (sempre uso a stable). Ocorre que sempre este upgrade foi um transtorno. Muitas horas de trabalho para consertar o que o dist-upgrade destruiu. Sei que essa migração está mesmo sujeita a problemas, mas tive recomeçar do zero: instalar o sistema a partir de um CD mínimo e daí acrescentar o que mais precisava. Muitas, muitas horas de trabalho. Pergunta: tem alguma técnica de fazer esse upgrade (já que daqui a pouco vem o etch) de modo menos traumático? A propósito: tenho o Ubuntu instalado em outra partição só para experimentar. A atualização para uma nova versão resultou na mesma novela: muito trabalho. Parece que é característica das distribuições Debian. sds G.Paulo. G.Paulo, Há uns meses atrás eu usava Etch, até que resolvi atualizar para o Sid, para ter as versões mais recentes dos programas. Simplesmente dei um dist-upgrade, e tudo continuou bem, sem traumas. Atualmente sempre atualizo o sistema para pegar as atualizações dos pacotes que entram constantemente no Sid. Nunca tive nenhum problema. Eu outras experiências (no trabalho, na universidade, etc.) também nunca tive problemas ao dar um upgrade da instalação, seja mantendo a mesma característica da distribuição (stable, testing), seja migrando para uma mais recente (testing para unstable, por exemplo). Definitivamente NÃO É uma característica do Debian quebrar sua instalação ao se efetuar uma atualização. Pelo contrário. Debian é uma das poucas que é capaz de se manter estável numa situação como essa. O fato de o Ubuntu realmente apresentar problemas para atualização é que eles não mantêm repositórios com todos os pacotes (afinal, com todo o dinheiro que a Canonical tenha, não é possível manter os quase 20.000 pacotes que o Debian tem hoje). O Ubuntu, na verdade, é um Debian com a estrutura de pacotes toda quebrada, pois eles mantêm alguns pacotes e outros não, o que corrompe a linha de dependências. Cada atualização realmente é uma novela, mas não por ser derivado do Debian. Acho que você deveria tentar descobrir por que tem problemas com essa questão. Por exemplo, ver se tem pacotes instalados localmente, pacotes de repositórios não oficiais, ou ainda mistura de pacotes da distribuição estável com a de teste... Outra coisa: lembre-se que faz um ano e meio que o Sarge foi lançado. As versões dos pacotes que estão no Etch, portanto, são muito superiores. Além disso, algumas coisas às vezes deixam de ser usadas e são substituídas por outras. Imagine se você tentou substituir uma versão do XFree86 de dois anos antes por uma versão moderna do Xorg... ou quando um monte de sistemas muito mais eficientes de reconhecimento de hardware e gestão dos dispositivos no dev foram criados há um tempo atrás, antes do lançamento do Etch... mudanças assim podem não ser tranquilas. O que eu recomendo é que você utilize a versão de testes, que é muito estável e segura, por sinal (lembre que o termo stable no Debian quer dizer que as versões dos pacotes não são atualizadas, e a distribuição não muda - daí o estável, e não que o testing tenha pacotes não instáveis.), e faça atualizações mais frequentes. -- Krishnamurti Lelis Lima Vieira Nunes
Re: Erro ao tentar substituir via shell
Em Sáb, 2006-12-16 às 15:40 +, Rodrigo Tavares escreveu: Pessoal, Isso esta muito estranho, veja só a sequencia de comandos. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ IP=192.168.1.0/24 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ HOST=192.168.1.25/24 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sed -i s/$IP/$HOST/g pg_hba.conf sed: -e expressão #1, caractere 21: unknown option to`s' Como intepretar a / da string HOST ? Isso para fazer a substituição de 192.168.1.0/24 para 192.168.1.1/24 ? Vc tem que acrescentar caracter de escape. sed -i s/192.168.1.0\/24/192.168.1.25\/24/g pg_hba.conf []'s -- Fernando Ike de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Esta é uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente
d-link e virtua
Olá, estou tentanto configurar uma rede domestica (so dois micros), bem tenho um modem d-link 500G pra usar como roteardor, um swit, e um ponto de internet virtua proveniente de modem motorola. Bem estou com com um pouco de dificultade em configurar o modem d-link apenas como roteador, aluem pode me ajudar?
Re: d-link e virtua
Daniel Lohmann wrote: Olá, estou tentanto configurar uma rede domestica (so dois micros), bem tenho um modem d-link 500G pra usar como roteardor, um swit, e um ponto de internet virtua proveniente de modem motorola. Bem estou com com um pouco de dificultade em configurar o modem d-link apenas como roteador, aluem pode me ajudar? Você já olhou no abusar.org? dê uma olhada nesta página: http://www.abusar.org/manuais/m_d_link.html Eu aprendi a rotear o meu speedstream no abusar.org. Abraços, Luiz Fenando -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duvida com partição e fstab
Sávio Ramos wrote: Em Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:16:30 -0200 Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Já vi instalações com 10 MS Windows 98 em paralelo, e 6 GNU/Linux, todas carregavam sem problemas. :-) Não sabia que era possÃvel instalar o winblows 98 na, por exemplo, quinta partição do disco escravo da segunda controladora... Para mim, só na primeira do mestre da primeira ide. Como se faz isto? O Grub resolve este problema, veja o menu.lst do meu micro, o windows 98 está instalado no hdb1, últimas linhas (recomendo uma boa leitura da documentação do grub): titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.17 root(hd0,5) kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17 root=/dev/hda6 ro initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17 savedefault titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.17 (recovery mode) root(hd0,5) kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17 root=/dev/hda6 ro single initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17 savedefault ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian # ones. titleOther operating systems: root title Debian GNU/Linux Sid, kernel 2.6.18-1-vserver-686 root(hd0,10) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-vserver-686 root=/dev/hda11 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-1-vserver-686 savedefault title Debian GNU/Linux Sid, kernel 2.6.18-1-vserver-686 (recovery mode) root(hd0,10) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-vserver-686 root=/dev/hda11 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-1-vserver-686 savedefault titleFreeBsd, 6.1 root(hd0,2,a) kernel/boot/loader titleNetBsd, 3.0.1 rootnoverify(hd0,3) chainloader+1 titleSlackware Linux, 10.2, Kernel 2.4.31 root(hd0,8) kernel/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda9 ro savedefault boot # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS # on /dev/hda1 titleWindows NT/2000/XP (loader) root(hd0,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader+1 # Windows 98 que está no hdb # on /dev/hdb1 titleWindows 98 on hdb1 map(hd0,0) (hd1,0) map(hd1,0) (hd0,0) rootnoverify(hd1,0) chainloader+1 Vinicius -- leia: http://www.jornaldaciencia.org.br/Detalhe.jsp?id=42787 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dist-upgrade
2006/12/16, Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Eles se não me engano tem um manual para explicar como atualizar, um meio também legal, seria se tiver espaço, colocar o novo e deixar o antigo até o novo estar totalmente configurado e instalado -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eddie, tente primeiro um upgrade e depois um dist-upgrade, talvez resolva os seus problemas de atualizações. -- Joao Emanuel Contador counter.li.org: 398782 Mensageiros MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (se quiser me em envie o seu endereço do seu mensageiro para incluir)
Re: Dist-upgrade
Joao Emanuel wrote: 2006/12/16, Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Eles se nao me engano tem um manual para explicar como atualizar, um meio tambem legal, seria se tiver espaco, colocar o novo e deixar o antigo ate o novo estar totalmente configurado e instalado Quando o Etch virar stable haverá instruções no site Debian sobre como fazer a atualização, são as release notes. Para vc ter uma noção, veja as Notas de Lançamento para Debian Sarge em: http://www.debian.org.br/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.pt-br.html --- Fabio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Erro ao tentar substituir via shell
Oi Fernando, Isso resolveu. Mas e quando eu pego uma váriavel string pelo dialog e faço o sed da seguinte maneira: sed -i $s/192.168.1.0/$valor/g $INPUTDB/pg_hba.conf Não funciona, tenho de colocar da seguinte forma: 192.168.1.1\/24, isso na janela de um dialog, o certo seria o usuário digitar 192.168.1.1\24. Tem como resolver isto ? Att, Faria ___ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Placa PCI RTL8185 Realtek
Prezados Senhores, Estou tentando instalar este driver http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtl8180-sa2400/ no debian etch, kernel 2.6.18 recompilado, mas estou tendo problemas. Já tentei com todas as versões, mas ao descompactar o arquivo e executar o make, todo o conteúdo do diretório é deletado. Já chequei o Makefile mas não encontrei nada anormal. Alguém já passou pelo mesmo problema?. A Realtek tem um driver mas apesar de instalar sem erros, provoca o congelamento do sistema sempre que é tentada qualquer configuração da placa. Agradeço qualquer ajuda. Adilson. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
roteamento internet debian etch
ola estou tentando montar um roteador de internet com o debian etch e nao estou conseguindo. estou utilizando uma formula que ja usava no sarge e agora nao esta funcionando. utilizei as regras de iptables e criei um script executavel dentro de /usr/local/sbin/ as regras sao as que estao descritas. e inseri uma linha no bootmisc.sh ./usr/local/sbin/regras. mas nao esta roteando. nao sei se tem alguma diferença entre eles a ponto dessa regra nao funcionar. ah! os dois computadores pingam um no outro. #!/bin/bash iptables = /usr/sbin/iptables sysctl = /sbin/sysctl echo echo -e \n\n Exencutando Regras.\n #regras de roteamento de internet iptables -F iptables -F INPUT iptables -F OUTPUT iptables -F POSTROUTING -t nat iptables -F PREROUTING -t nat iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 -- linux user nº 432194 Eu sou livre e você?
Re: Compiz ou Beryl no Etch
O Beryl é windowmanager para o sistemas baseados em GTK como GNOME,XFCE... e até funciona no KDE, mas não com a estabilidade esperada. Usando KDE voce deve instalar o Beryl, porém deve instalar o aquamarine (mesmo repositório) que é o windowmanager apropriado para quem usa KDE. Uso aqui no Ubuntu e o Beryl é super-estável, o único bug existente e até ja existe uma opção para corrigir isso (ou seja, tem atestado de burrice) é que algumas janelas não faz redraw, e voce só consegue velas que existe, mas não o seu conteúdo, por isso o icone do beryl traz uma opção chamada gl-yield que ligada refaz o redraw novamente e voce passa a ver a janela invisivel. []'s 2006/12/16, Muzkur [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oi pessoal, estou estreiando na lista de discussão do Debian, e gostaria de pedir uma ajuda. Eu rodo aqui na minha casa o Debian Etch com KDE e uma GeForce 6200 e gostaria de saber, qual é a melhor pedida, compiz ou beryl? No site oficial do projeto Beryl eu vi um pequeno tutorial ensinando como instala-lo no Debian, quanto ao Compiz, é o que mais tem em websites de forum. A dúvida em si é, daqueles que já usaram esses desktops 3D, saber qual deles tem melhor desempenho, menos bugs e maior facilidade de instalar no Deb, e se puderem, um pequeno tutorial com lista de repositórios e passos que devo seguir pra instala-los. Obrigado!
Re: Problemas com ESS no debian testing
Em Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:57:27 -0200 Marcelo Luiz de Laia [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Opening directory: nã éu ieói, /usr/bin/java Sugestoes? Remove o java e instale o emacs... -- Sávio Martins Ramos - Arquiteto Rio de Janeiro ICQ 174972645 Pirataria não! Seja livre: Linux http://www.debian.org
Re: Erro ao tentar substituir via shell
Faria wrote: Oi Fernando, Isso resolveu. Mas e quando eu pego uma váriavel string pelo dialog e faço o sed da seguinte maneira: sed -i $s/192.168.1.0/$valor/g $INPUTDB/pg_hba.conf Não funciona, tenho de colocar da seguinte forma: 192.168.1.1\/24, isso na janela de um dialog, o certo seria o usuário digitar 192.168.1.1\24. Tem como resolver isto ? Faria, não faça cross-posting. O Cross-Posting é o nome dado a postagem da mesma mensagem para mais de uma lista de discussão. É uma prática completamente depreciada e usualmente é realizada por pessoas preguiçosas que não se preocupam em saber se aquela lista é a adequada para sua mensagem. Dificilmente uma mensagem mereça ser postada em várias listas. Escolha cuidadosamente a lista para a qual sua mensagem deva ser postada e poste somente lá. de: http://www.debian-rs.org/sites/www.debian-rs.org/netiqueta.html#s-crosspost -- Fabio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: d-link e virtua
Parece que vc não foi bem claro, ou talvez eu não tenha entendido direito. O Sinal da Virtua chega ao modem motorola e vc deseja conectar a ele o D-Link 500G e logo depois um switch, é isso? Sucesso. CR 2006/12/17, Daniel Lohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Olá, estou tentanto configurar uma rede domestica (so dois micros), bem tenho um modem d-link 500G pra usar como roteardor, um swit, e um ponto de internet virtua proveniente de modem motorola. Bem estou com com um pouco de dificultade em configurar o modem d-link apenas como roteador, aluem pode me ajudar? -- CARLOS RIBEIRO Linux-User: 183.572 Machine: 195.669 São Luís - Maranhão - Brasil
ftp.tr.debian.org testing cd arşivindeki problem
Merhaba, ftp.tr.debian.org yansısını kim yönetiyor şu anda bilemiyorum. Listeye üye olduğu varsayımıyla buraya yazıyorum. Dün ftp://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian-cd/testing/iso/i386 adresinden testing cd image indirip yazdım. Ancak çok sonra farkettim ki oradaki dosyalar son olarak 2005 kasım ayında güncellenmiş, eski bir versiyon olduğu için de işime yaramadı epey zaman kaybettirdi bana doğrusu :) Başkalarının da başına benzeri durumların gelmemesi için yönetici arkadaşımız yeni versiyonları koyamasa da en azından çok eski olanları silerse iyi olur diye düşünüyorum. murat,
Re: Advice on staying current
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:40:19PM +, andy wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 06:17:45PM +, andy wrote: What I was trying to get at in my original post was to see if there was a way of upgrading one's system by running a system-wide check which would then be cross-referenced to the sources, leading to out-of-date libs, etc. being identified for download. Thanks Hi Andy, when you update your local dpkg database, it only has the lastest data, as it creates a new one and does not save the old data. So there is no reference to 'out-of-date' anything. You can use deborphan or debfoster to 'trim the fat' once in a while, with caution. But just 'apt-get update' or similar is all you need. cheers, Kev Kev, Thanks for your reply. I run apt-get update every couple of days or so, so guess that I am taking care of this already. If that's all there is to it, I must confess that is about the easiest way I have yet come across to keep one's software up-to-date. Again, well done developers! Nice job. 'apt-get update' will just update the package *list*. You still need to run 'apt-get update' (or dist-upgrade) to update the packages. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/etc/network/interfaces file ?
I've noticed the same thing and I've done a similar change in the /etc/network/interfaces file. change: allow-hotplug eth0 to: auto eth0 I'm not sure what is causing the problem and don't know which package to file a bug against. I'm assuming that allow-hotplug eth0 does a cable check on eth0's NIC and if found brings up eth0. Whether it is doing the dhclient I don't know. Anyone, any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice on staying current
2006/12/17, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: developers! Nice job. Indeed 'apt-get update' will just update the package *list*. You still need to run 'apt-get update' (or dist-upgrade) to update the packages. # apt-get upgrade after apt-get update apt-get may be replaced by aptitude. It's trendy, at least, but not last
Re: Advice on staying current
2006/12/17, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Try looking at cron-apt. Using cron-apt is a great way to always have the latest package info, though I don't suggest changing the configs to have cron-apt automatically install things for you: You should do the installing yourself so you have some idea what may have changed if something breaks. I intend to deploy cron-apt to automatically install packages, on a certain number of desktops. Of course I intend to do the same on servers. Is any collection of horror stories about cron-apt? TIA
Re: /etc/network/interfaces file ?
2006/12/17, stevendemetrius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone, any ideas? PCMCIA optimisation?
Re: /etc/network/interfaces file ?
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 05:17:39PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote: For several installs over a period of time for Etch, using a net-install cd. The ~/network/interfaces file uses the line allow-hotplug eth0. This has not worked on my boxes, I have to type 'dhclient eth0' to connect. I use an Ipcop firewall, dhcp, hooked up to a switch. I comment out the 'hotplug' line and use 'eth0 auto' the old way, and all is well. Anyone else see this and what package is this associated with ? AFAICT, these options are complementary. See 'man interfaces'. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New hardware under Etch ?
Like other have stated here cat /proc/cpuinfo will list processor 0 and 1 if it finds them. You can run the above command from any terminal as a non-root user. You may want to use less if the info runs off the screen. You can use Page-up Page-down keys with less cat /proc/cpuinfo | less For proper support for 6GB RAM you will have to re-compile the kernel as the Debian kernel-image is compiled for 4GB RAM. When you configure the kernel you can change the settings under the Processor type and Features section. Change it to 64GB. 64GB is the current maximum limit. You should also change your CPU type to AMD Opteron in the same section and of course chose/select SMP for multi-processor support. Kernel 2.4.X which is the default for Sarge does not have proper support for SATA. It sees SATA as ATA and the access times are very slow. Newer versions of kernel 2.6.X have good support for SATA with fast access times. Older versions of kernel 2.6.X does not have proper support for or no support at all for SATA. So I suggest using the latest Debian kernel which I think is 2.6.18-X. If you want to use Sarge with kernel 2.6.18.X you're in for a lot of work. Install kernel 2.4.X which sets up SATA drives as ATA drives (hda, hdb, etc). Then install kernel 2.6.18.X and BEFORE YOU RE-BOOT you have to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/device and /etc/fstab. If you fail to do this you will not be able boot the 2.6.18.X kernel (well you can but more work). Also, once you have made the changes you will not be able to boot the using the old 2.4.X kernel. So uninstall it after. To make things easier I suggest doing a clean install using Etch with kernel 2.6.18.X. If your MB comes with fake-RAID I suggest *not* to use it. Turn it off in the BIOS. Linux software-RAID works just as well if not better and is easier to setup and use under Linux. I've done a few installs on IBM's x306 servers trying to use their fake-RAID and it's a real pain which in the end didn't work properly. The Linux software-RAID worked well and passed *all* burn-in tests. From what I can tell fake-RAID is designed for MS OSs since its non-server OSs don't have software-RAID and fake-RAID is a cheap way for MS desktop user to have some redundancy without buying an expensive RAID card. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing cable modum to ADSL modum.
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 13:09 -0600, John C wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a simple way for a windows-only user to change a computer's network settings from a cable modem to an ADSL modem. I was under the impression that my granddaughter, who lives hundreds of miles from me, had a cable ISP. In an attempt to educate the next generation, I've sent her a computer fully loaded and configured with Etch. I used a netinstall through my home system's router (cable modem) with a manual IP addressnot DHCP. Oooops... I was wrong, their network connnection is through a ADSL modem. I suspect that she could make the change using the Network administration tool of the Gnome network Settings, but since I'm not familiar with ADSL or with that tool, I'd rather not have her try without some confirmation. If not that tool, perhaps dpkg-reconfigure something ? I know that on my box, the following files at least need to change. Any others? /etc/resolv.conf /etc/networks /etc/networks/interfaces I also suspect that I'll have to have her do a dpkg install of pppoe for the network administration tool to work. Is that true? Thanks for any help. John Carline Hi, If the modem can act as an Ethernet router, it should be no problem - just let the system know that the IP address will be assigned by DHCP. If it is an USB ADSL modem, that is a real headache to set up. You need drivers, which may or may not exist. And if they do exist, they may or may not be packaged as .debs. And the type of the modem usually isn't enough to find the driver, because there are types which are made with several different chipsets. If, however, the drivers are found, the hard part is done. Then pppoeconf should do the rest. Good luck! -- Szia: Nyizsa. -- Click for free info getting a new career and make $150K/ year http://tagline.bidsystem.com/fc/KCuXzzTc3WXd7ihcwEUaM06kSWkp3i/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New hardware under Etch ?
On 12/17/06, stevendemetrius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For proper support for 6GB RAM you will have to re-compile the kernel as the Debian kernel-image is compiled for 4GB RAM. When you configure the kernel you can change the settings under the Processor type and Features section. Change it to 64GB. 64GB is the current maximum limit. An off-topic question: why is this Debian kernel limited to 4GB and why do there have to be an option instead of just setting the whole thing to 64GB? Another off-topic question: Is there any one out there running Linux on over 64GB of RAM, and if so, is there such support in the kernel or did they have to modify the src themselves? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB problems on laptop with debian etch
Hi all, Recently I have installed etch on my laptop. Frequently, when etch boots displays this errors: usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 ... usb 3-2: device not accepting address 4, error -71 ... usb 3-2: device not accepting address 5, error -71 ... usb 3-2: device not accepting address 8, error -71 ... usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71 ... And then I see this error reported by logwatch: 1 Time(s): [c0101005] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb 2 Time(s): [c01036b6] common_interrupt+0x1a/0x20 2 Time(s): [c01050e5] do_IRQ+0x43/0x52 1 Time(s): [c0117778] default_wake_function+0x0/0xc 1 Time(s): [c012ac30] run_workqueue+0x78/0xb5 1 Time(s): [c012b441] worker_thread+0x0/0x10b 1 Time(s): [c012b51a] worker_thread+0xd9/0x10b 1 Time(s): [c012d7d1] kthread+0x0/0xef 1 Time(s): [c012d893] kthread+0xc2/0xef 1 Time(s): [c013fb77] handle_IRQ_event+0x17/0x49 1 Time(s): [c013fb83] handle_IRQ_event+0x23/0x49 1 Time(s): [c013fc3c] __do_IRQ+0x93/0xe8 1 Time(s): [c013fc5c] __do_IRQ+0xb3/0xe8 1 Time(s): [c014037f] __report_bad_irq+0x2b/0x69 1 Time(s): [c014056c] note_interrupt+0x1af/0x1e7 1 Time(s): [c02810a0] _spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x8/0x9 1 Time(s): [f886549e] usb_hcd_irq+0x23/0x50 [usbcore] 1 Time(s): [f88ad01c] hpsb_reset_bus+0x1c/0x22 [ieee1394] 1 Time(s): [f88aebfd] delayed_reset_bus+0x0/0xc9 [ieee1394] 1 Time(s): [f88b4ff9] csr1212_generate_csr_image+0x309/0x35c [ieee1394] 1 Time(s): [f88c47db] ohci_devctl+0x5a/0x55a [ohci1394] How can i fix this?? Is this a bug on etch kernel??? I am using latest kernel from debian repos. nazgul:~# uname -a Linux nazgul 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux nazgul:~# -- CL Martinez carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modified Config Files
Douglas Tutty wrote: On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 04:52:19AM +0100, Chris Stork wrote: Hi, What would be an easy way to list the config files that have been changed on my system? Find a file that was created/modified when you installed. Note that date. Use find to find all files in /etc/ newer than that date. If it was that easy... I am talking about systems that received hundreds of updates already so that file dates differ a lot. In any case, none of this bookkeeping should be necessary since the package DB knows the default content (or the hash thereof) of config files. Why? Firstly, I just want to know how much these systems are customized and what exactly has been customized. Secondly, I'd like to distribute some of these customizations to other systems. Thanks for you reply, Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Old Laptop - Did a Net Install But Afterwards No NIC
On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 01:56:27AM -0800, Scarletdown wrote: I just attempted an install of etch on an old Toshiba Satellite 425CDT. I used a set of install floppies because this laptop can't boot from the CD-ROM drive. Anyway, the install ran its course (it was a Network install), but after the install was completed, and I rebooted, the PCMCIA drivers don't load, which means no NIC, since this is a PCMCIA NIC this laptop uses. Why aren't the drivers loading, even though the installer was able to load them obviously? udev is installed and runs automatically, so I'm certain that wouldn't be where the problem lies. Also doing a modprobe pcmcia doesn't return any errors, but also doesn't seem to do anything, and it doesn't load automatically during the next reboot. Any ideas on what is wrong here? The kernel is 2.6.18-3-486 Have you got pcmcia-cs or pcmciautils installed? -- Chris. == ... the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of `X-Files' proportions and insidiousness. Letter to the LA Times Magazine, September 18, 2005. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list of packages suggesting zeroconf?
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:13:49AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: apt-cache rdepends zeroconf will get you the packages which depend on zeroconf. then you can march up the tree a bit with apt-cache rdepends zeroconf | grep -v Depends | xargs apt-cache \ rdepends that gets you a much longer list of things that ultimately depend on zeroconf. for the suggests or recommends, there is surely a way, but I don't know it and my attempts at grepping, cutting and xarging is getting out of hand. grep-dctrl, possibly. -- Chris. == ... the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of `X-Files' proportions and insidiousness. Letter to the LA Times Magazine, September 18, 2005. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:28:06AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: [..] I am thinking of buying a new box from an outfit in the UK Golden Electronics. For 170 GBP they will give you a box (no monitor) that has an AMD 64 Sempron CPU and a decent hard drive and other gear etc Plus 512 MB of RAM. My notion (trash at will) is that if I buy a 64 bit machine it would last longer than 32 bit architecture because the 64 bit machine can handle a huge amount of RAM So in 5 years time then if the latest version of Debian uses much more memory than today to run gnome and OO then I can but much more RAM in there e.g. 5 GB than a 32 bit machine could handle. It depends on the motherboard. I think that if you want 4GB RAM you need to go to a 940 socket motherboard. I am in the process of building an amd64 system but my 939 socket motherboard won't take more than 4GB. (ok the CPU determines the socket type, but although the CPU maybe able to address up to 4TB or whatever the motherboard ultimately decides the amount of RAM that can be installed on it.) -- Chris. == ... the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of `X-Files' proportions and insidiousness. Letter to the LA Times Magazine, September 18, 2005. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB problems on laptop with debian etch
On Sunday 17 December 2006 20:57, carlopmart sent this for all our perusal: --- Hi all, --- --- Recently I have installed etch on my laptop. Frequently, when etch --- boots displays this errors: --- --- --- usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 ... --- usb 3-2: device not accepting address 4, error -71 ... --- usb 3-2: device not accepting address 5, error -71 ... --- usb 3-2: device not accepting address 8, error -71 ... --- usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71 ... --- --- And then I see this error reported by logwatch: --- --- --- 1 Time(s): [c0101005] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb --- 2 Time(s): [c01036b6] common_interrupt+0x1a/0x20 --- 2 Time(s): [c01050e5] do_IRQ+0x43/0x52 --- 1 Time(s): [c0117778] default_wake_function+0x0/0xc --- 1 Time(s): [c012ac30] run_workqueue+0x78/0xb5 --- 1 Time(s): [c012b441] worker_thread+0x0/0x10b --- 1 Time(s): [c012b51a] worker_thread+0xd9/0x10b --- 1 Time(s): [c012d7d1] kthread+0x0/0xef --- 1 Time(s): [c012d893] kthread+0xc2/0xef --- 1 Time(s): [c013fb77] handle_IRQ_event+0x17/0x49 --- 1 Time(s): [c013fb83] handle_IRQ_event+0x23/0x49 --- 1 Time(s): [c013fc3c] __do_IRQ+0x93/0xe8 --- 1 Time(s): [c013fc5c] __do_IRQ+0xb3/0xe8 --- 1 Time(s): [c014037f] __report_bad_irq+0x2b/0x69 --- 1 Time(s): [c014056c] note_interrupt+0x1af/0x1e7 --- 1 Time(s): [c02810a0] _spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x8/0x9 --- 1 Time(s): [f886549e] usb_hcd_irq+0x23/0x50 [usbcore] --- 1 Time(s): [f88ad01c] hpsb_reset_bus+0x1c/0x22 [ieee1394] --- 1 Time(s): [f88aebfd] delayed_reset_bus+0x0/0xc9 [ieee1394] --- 1 Time(s): [f88b4ff9] csr1212_generate_csr_image+0x309/0x35c [ieee1394] --- 1 Time(s): [f88c47db] ohci_devctl+0x5a/0x55a [ohci1394] --- --- How can i fix this?? Is this a bug on etch kernel??? I am using latest kernel from debian repos. --- --- nazgul:~# uname -a --- Linux nazgul 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux --- nazgul:~# --- --- -- --- CL Martinez --- carlopmart {at} gmail {d0t} com I've had that myself with this laptop on a kernel upgrade, so went back to the kernel I installed with, which happened to be 2.6.15-1-686 anything after that kept giving me that error message without allowing me to access my external CDROM. Sorry I can't assist. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ The smallest seed of faith is better than the largest fruit of happiness. .Henry David Thoreau .. Debian _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pinging Postmaster
Mike Bird wrote: Debian Postmaster, Murphy has been in and out of Spamcop several times over the past several days. There have been the usual semi-informed rants on debian-user but nothing that I can find from you. Why not just read from gmane.linux.debian.user/gmane.linux.debian.user.isp if this is a problem for you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVDs - err what gives?
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:51:05PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: Hi A, welcome to your first exposure to politics of Free software! DVD css was the first flagpole that the entertainment lobby put in the ground to lay claim to your property. Css provides no other use but to forbid you from fully owning your own property. The next flagpole is apple's DRM that they use on their music that stop you from using it anywhere you want. Then there was Microsoft windows media player DRM. The other day I wanted to see channel4.com's new video-on-demand but it even tighens the noose more: it requires you to be in the UK to watch the content (that you pay for), only on one computer (that cant be transfered) and you need to install window xp, .net 2.0 and window media player 10 and then you can only watch it once and when you start to watch it, you have a time limit of a day before you are no longer authorized to watch it, the DRM essentially prevents you from watching something that you payed for, on your own computer. At least the DVD only has CSS and its companion the DMCA and it doesnt stop you from watching your own DVD. The point with Free software is any free software program that you use to play a DVD, apple i-tunes file, other other DRM formats will always be a crime according to most nations laws with help from WIPO.(there are exceptions to this statement, as other can attest, but its not getting better) Go to wikipedia and check out 'drm', 'dmca' and 'decss' for the basic details. Anyway, even Pink Floyd could not have dreamed up something so twisted as DRM :-) cheers, Kev (hope these links still exist.) http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html OK, these links are old but they are indicative of worse to come. -- Chris. == ... the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of `X-Files' proportions and insidiousness. Letter to the LA Times Magazine, September 18, 2005. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dumb question about jigdo and i386 and AMD 64 versions of Etch......
Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debianists, How much commonality exists between the i386 versions of Etch or Sarge and the AMD 64 version of Etch? Others have addressed the changes from sarge to etch but as far as the two different architectures go I use apt-cacher to share common files between my amd64 partition and my i386 partition. The answer is that there are some packages that are architecture independent. These are labelled *all.deb. The architecture specific files are labelled *i386.deb and *amd64.deb respectively. A quick look at /var/cache/apt/archives on your current machine will give you an idea how many files are shared. IIRC you can use this as a source for jigdo too :). HTH Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Debian user
Welcome. You have made the right choice. Or at least I think so :) Debian releases may have been slow but its built on a solid foundation and as can be see now its release times are getting shorter. Debian may take awhile to get to where other distributions are but once it gets there it is rock solid. With the ingenious new GUI installer, installing Debian is very easy. The GUI installer is simple, easy to use and follow without all the fancy crap. It also looks good (plug for the Debian installer team). If you have partitions you want to keep, during installation you can tell the installer where to mount them and leave their file system(s) intact. Or you can just tell it to ignore them and mount them later yourself. Currently when you chose to install desktop support the installer installs GNOME only. Hopefully we can change that to choices for either GNOME or KDE or both. (hint, hint, Debian installer team.:) From what I understand Debian will never/can never be bought out by any company or entity. Therefore it will always be free and open. As for AutoCAD I've been looking for a drop-in full opensource replacement but so far no luck. Hopefully this will change soon. I've found drop-in full opensource replacements for everything else: office suite, drawing/graphics, audio editing, video editing, educational, financial, business operations, teaching, communications and more. Most of which can be found in Debian's repository. If you install the desktop, Synaptic is great for browsing through the Debian packages available. I have not had a look at MS Vista. To be honest I most likely will not. After working on MS OSs for years and being certified by MS, I've had my fill of MS OSs. Know how much of a pain it is to install MS Exchange server and what a nightmare it is to recover it when it fails! In Debian it takes 2 minutes to (re)install Exim4 and then just copy e-mail onto the server from your backup. Simplicity that works! :) Its been a year since I've moved all my machines over to Debian and I haven't looked back since. :) The learning curve may seem to be great but one just as to think logically. As one should with computers. Then learning Linux becomes simple. We've just been taught to think illogically when it comes to computers by MS. Just be ready to scratch your head and kick yourself in the a*s when you think its that simple, why didn't I see that straight off. I've had a few of those and I'm sure I will have more. :) I've being having lots of fund learning Debian Linux over the pass year and a half. Sometimes its difficult but that can be said of any OS. You may want to check out this web site and buy these books. http://www.aboutdebian.com Debian GNU/Linux Bible The Debian System Moving to Linux kiss the blue screen of death goodbye The aboutdebian website deals with Sarge and you can support the site by buying related books (including the ones I've listed) via its links. The instructions there can get you up and running with many different type of servers; DHCP, SAMBA (MS share), Web server, NFS, FTP, Webcam sever, etc. It shows how quickly and easy it is to get these servers up and running. Please read the introduction page fully. The latest versions of both Debian books are based on Sarge. You may want to wait and see if there are releases for Etch. You can still use the Sarge release but a lot of things have change between Sarge and Etch; procedures, program configurations, etc. But you can learn on Sarge and read the updates for the Etch versions. For example the default location of Apache's web folder and home-page file have changed between Sarge and Etch. Moving to Linux list Linux drop-in replacements for popular programs in MS and how to use them under Linux. The book is not a Debian specific book but is very helpful. As other here have stated Etch is frozen and about to become stable so you may as well go with it. Upgrading is simple. So you can always upgrade after its become stable. I've been using Etch since it became Testing and have had no serious problem and besides it lets you join in the bug crunching. You can doing testing and supply bug reports which help to reduce the amount of time it takes for Testing to become Stable. You may also want to look at the docs on the Debian site. Read the definition of Stable, Testing, etc. You may find that the definition of Stable is a bit paranoid in relations to workstations and some types of servers. Debian Stable is judged in relation to servers; high security, reliability, zero reboot, 24/7 operation, zero crashes, strict access controll, etc. Which is great! If you're running a workstation to do e-mails, download pictures from your camera, write a novel :), do some spreadsheets, listen to music, edit the family videos, watch DVDs, brows the web, learn Debian, etc. you don't need to worry to much about the above but its good to know that you can or will have that
mailing list archives
This is just an idea that occurred to me while searching the archives via google. A large number of entries in the google results from the list are useless because they are the 'debian-user Jun 2006 by thread' monthly summaries. Because each monthly summary is simply a list of the thread titles, it leads to false hits for my keywords, for instance 'dvd mplayer menu' hits all the monthly summaries, even when there isn't actually a msg referencing dvds and menus and mplayer. Judicious use of the robots.txt file on the mail archive server would be a simple way to remove the summaries from the search engines, for instance something like: Disallow: /**/threads.html would probably do it. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New hardware under Etch ?
Currently the limitation is the Linux kernel itself not the Debian modified version. The Debian kernel maintainers take the original Linux kernel and modifies it as need so that it works better with Debian and conforms to the Debian definition of OSS (Open Source Software). You can read more at the Debian website. Debian kernel-image(s) are compiled to work with a large variety of machines and hardware. This way anyone can easily install the system and get it running. Since most drivers are complied as modules only modules for hardware on the current system are loaded. This means that most users can load the default Debian kernel-image and don't worry about it. Most user and server systems come with about 512MB RAM and most MBs are limited to 4GB RAM. My guess is that setting the RAM to 64MB in the kernel makes for more lines of code in the kernel and maybe uses more processor time. Linux programmers (and Linux users) don't like bloat and will cut it where ever possible. So it make sense to compile the kernel for 4GB. The Linux kernel is designed for anyone to configure it and conpile it in which ever way they want. In fact (re)compiling the kernel is encouraged. If you've never complied the kernel before don't worry. Its not difficult. If you're doing it for the first time here it is what I think is the easiest way: 1. Install Debian and the desktop either GNOME or KDE or both. Since you're learning both would be better. you can always play around with it and remove it later. 2. Use synaptic or aptitude to install kernel-package synaptic is a desktop package manager aptitude is a terminal package manager 3. Read the README that comes with kernel-package /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/REAME The README will list all the package you need to install in order to compile the kernel. It also has step by step procedure on compiling the kernel and installing the kernel. I don't have any info. on Linux kernel 64GB+ support but you can check out the following sites and search the web. http://www.kernel.org http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel http://www.tldp.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dumb question about gnome bittorrent...
Dear Debianists, In Etch RC1 I notice that gnome bittorrent is installed with the OS. I use bittorrent in Fedora Core 6. I have used it there to download Debian CD and DVD images. When I set it up I had to enter some commands at the terminal window that tweaked the firewall etc to allow bittorrent to be able to upload and download files. Otherwise it won't work. Despite the fact that gnome bittorrent is installed on Etch, do I still have to submit similar commands at the terminal to get bittorrent to work in Etch RC1? Is there a recipe/configuration window or other routine that you have to go through thbat is Debian specific to do it or could I copy the instructions I sed in Fedora to ape this correctly? Regards Michael Fothergill _ Think you're a film buff? Play the Movie Mogul quiz and win fantastic prizes! http://www.msnmoviemogul.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
file permissions
Hi All, I don't know why I've never noticed this before, but on every Debian system I have every tool in /sbin all users are given execute permissions. That doesn't mean all the tools will run, or even have all aspects of the tools available, but all users still have execute permissions there. Why is this done? I can't really see a good reason for it. What am I missing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file permissions
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:56:30 -0800 Freddy Freeloader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Freddy, all aspects of the tools available, but all users still have execute permissions there. Why is this done? I can't really see a good reason for it. What am I missing? I can't answer your query as such. However, you are aware, I hope, that not all users have /sbin in their $PATH? So, even though all users have execute permission, not all users can get at the directory, anyway. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent People stare like they've seen a ghost Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian and VMWare
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 01:32:17PM +0100, robin putters wrote: First, make sure you have enough memory (if you assign 512mb to the VM, have at least 512mb available for each instance of the VM you want to run + what you need for your deb install + some spare memory). Secondly, create the whole disk at once (do not use the ´incremental option´, or however it´s called, which sizes your disk on the fly). These are the two most important perfomance factors in my experience. If you take care of this, VM´s will run at about native speed. Good luck! Anybody can tell how fast is qemu+kqemu compared to VMWare.
general question about jigdo, OS architectures and server load/space....
Dear Debianists, This may be a somewhat dumb question but it might have some merits so I am going to ask it. From the postings on the list I have received so far I have learned some interesting facts about jigdo, Sarge, Etch i386 and Etch AMD64. I am very grateful to everyone who responded for their time and patience. I respect this. If I understand it correctly upgrading from e.g. A Sarge DVD to Etch is with jigdo is pretty much pointless because there is so little overlap of common files between the two releases. I seem to have confirmed this myself in practice when I scanned the two DVDs of Sarge 3.1 r4 under jigdo having read in the jigdo file for Etch RC1 CD image number 1. I only found 23 or so files on both DVDs that were common to the 1200 or so files that jigdo says comprise the first CD image of Etch RC1. So I have dumped the idea of bootstrapping an Etch RC1 download with jigdo and my Sarge DVDs. It is a non starter. However, it does seem as though Etch AMD64 does share a reasonable number of files in common with Etch i386... My new question is this: If you look on the Debian installer page you see that distributions of the OS for a variety of different architectures exist: [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] My question is this: What degree of common files would exist between all or certain sub groups of these different architectures? Would there be enough in either all of them or a subset that it might make sense to make a separate downloadable common iso file image or jigdo file set that you could downnload from one common server address and then get only the extra files needed to make up the entire distribution for the each specific individual architecture from its own server site address? If so would this not save on server space allocation and download time? My other question this is this. Is the reason that the number of common files to be found when comparing the Sarge 3.1 release of Debian and e.g the Etch RC1 is very low a function of the fact that huge changes have been made across the OS? Or is it that the underlying contents of a lot of files is identical to those found in Etch but they have been given different names or small changes have been made to them such that they are not absolutely identical any longer? Is it possible that Lenny could be written in such a way as to maximise the reuse of identical files from the point of jigdo that are used in Etch in such a way as not to undermine the innovative progress and develolpment of Lenny? Could all the architecture releases of Lenny be designed to make maximum use of jigdo in the ways I am describing or would it be a beaurocratic nightmare or a waste of time with no benefit, or worse would it cock up and interfere with the development of Lenny? If you think this a garbage idea feel free to say so. I don't mind. Regards Michael Fothergill _ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem removing package
Hi, So I installed gtk-recordmydesktop. After the install the package didn't configure. So now the package is update, it don't use pycentral now uses python-support This is the error when I want to install any application.Actually I cant install any application :( E: El paquete gtk-recordmydesktop necesita ser reinstalado, pero no se encuentra un archivo para éste. E: The package gtk-recordmydesktop needs to be reinstalled, but I didn't found it a file for it. Any idea? -- :::lxuser 391715::: http://igordevlog.blogspot.com/
Hang when exchanging media
Dear Debian-List I have stumbled across this a couple of times now, and think that I've been able to isolate the pattern. It certainly doesn't happen every time, but a few times now to become annoying. Using Gnome desktop, I had a CD-ROM mounted and Gnome usefully creates an icon for the CD on the desktop. I had copied files from this location to another and then went to eject the CD using the right click on the desktop icon. The CD ejected but the system hung up: nothing except pulling the power cord out of the back of the box worked to make the box unhang. This has happened a couple of times when using music CDs too, but I didn't explore any error messages on those occasions so can only really say that it *appeared* the same problem, but couldn't swear to it. This is a snippet of what I found in /var/log/messages just before the restart entry: Dec 17 12:26:10 valhalla kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Dec 17 12:26:10 valhalla kernel: hdc: rw=0, want=1393760, limit=1223288 Dec 17 12:26:10 valhalla kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Dec 17 12:26:10 valhalla kernel: hdc: rw=0, want=1393732, limit=1223288 Dec 17 12:26:10 valhalla kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Dec 17 12:26:10 valhalla kernel: hdc: rw=0, want=1393736, limit=1223288 This carries on for several lines. Would I be correct in understanding this as the system still trying to read off of the CD even though it has been removed, which leads it to get caught up in an infinite loop? How do I stop this from happening again? and, is this the best place to look for error messages of this kind? Thanks for any help. Cheers /A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
odd error with jigdo,,,
Dear Debian folks, I have been using jigdo to download the Etch RC1 first DVD image. It worked OK until my internet connection was interrupted. I fired it up again according the instuctions but no matter which ftp or http server site you put in for it to look for files to download I always get the same error message: 404 not found. --02:04:39-- http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gamin/gamin_0.1.7-4_i386.deb = `debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gamin/gamin_0.1.7-4_i386.deb' Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org|83.142.228.128|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 02:04:39 ERROR 404: Not Found. It does this over and over again very quickly repeating the aboce output. It always connects on each server but always apparently can't find any of the files. I think the files are there and the servers are working. Something is wrong at my end... jigdo sees the jigdo file for the DVD image and reads it in OK as far as I can see. I press return to get past the CD/DVD scan because I am not using it. Suggestions welcome here Regards, Michael Fothergill _ Think you're a film buff? Play the Movie Mogul quiz and win fantastic prizes! http://www.msnmoviemogul.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file permissions
Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:56:30 -0800 Freddy Freeloader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Freddy, all aspects of the tools available, but all users still have execute permissions there. Why is this done? I can't really see a good reason for it. What am I missing? I can't answer your query as such. However, you are aware, I hope, that not all users have /sbin in their $PATH? So, even though all users have execute permission, not all users can get at the directory, anyway. I beg to differ. From inside a regular user account run /sbin/ifconfig -a and see what you get. By including the absolute path to the command you bypass the necessity of having the command in the user's $PATH. Not all ifconfig switches will work, but -a does. Some tools located in /sbin will warn of permissions, such as parted, others will respond differently than parted and ifconfig, but a user can access the commands by just using the absolute path to the command. Even though there are security measures in place, such as permission checking by the tools themselves, I'm still surprised that the entire world is given execute permissions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: general question about jigdo, OS architectures and server load/space....
Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debianists, This may be a somewhat dumb question but it might have some merits so I am going to ask it. From the postings on the list I have received so far I have learned some interesting facts about jigdo, Sarge, Etch i386 and Etch AMD64. I am very grateful to everyone who responded for their time and patience. I respect this. If I understand it correctly upgrading from e.g. A Sarge DVD to Etch is with jigdo is pretty much pointless because there is so little overlap of common files between the two releases. I seem to have confirmed this myself in practice when I scanned the two DVDs of Sarge 3.1 r4 under jigdo having read in the jigdo file for Etch RC1 CD image number 1. I only found 23 or so files on both DVDs that were common to the 1200 or so files that jigdo says comprise the first CD image of Etch RC1. So I have dumped the idea of bootstrapping an Etch RC1 download with jigdo and my Sarge DVDs. It is a non starter. However, it does seem as though Etch AMD64 does share a reasonable number of files in common with Etch i386... My new question is this: If you look on the Debian installer page you see that distributions of the OS for a variety of different architectures exist: [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] My question is this: Ok I'll have a stab at this :) What degree of common files would exist between all or certain sub groups of these different architectures? As per my previous response the *all.deb are architecture independent. Would there be enough in either all of them or a subset that it might make sense to make a separate downloadable common iso file image or jigdo file set that you could downnload from one common server address and then get only the extra files needed to make up the entire distribution for the each specific individual architecture from its own server site address? This all depends on what people are downloading. Over the entire package repository probably, but based on downloading the first 1 or 2 cd's, the netinstall etc. there may not be enough commonality to justify this. If so would this not save on server space allocation and download time? AFAIK, the file actually only exists in one location, the package list/template that you download tells apt/aptitude/jigdo etc where to find the package on the server. As for download time, it may save some if you are installing across multi-arc in the same network/environment but given the number of packages in a common install ( I have 334 in my apt-cacher directory and use a pretty full kde desktop environment ) its unlikely to save all that much IMO. My other question this is this. Is the reason that the number of common files to be found when comparing the Sarge 3.1 release of Debian and e.g the Etch RC1 is very low a function of the fact that huge changes have been made across the OS? Yes that's progress :) There has been a change in the C++ api (I think) so the majority of the packages have to be recompiled to match this. Or is it that the underlying contents of a lot of files is identical to those found in Etch but they have been given different names or small changes have been made to them such that they are not absolutely identical any longer? See above Is it possible that Lenny could be written in such a way as to maximise the reuse of identical files from the point of jigdo that are used in Etch in such a way as not to undermine the innovative progress and develolpment of Lenny? This is more about jigdo/cd templates than development of lenny I think. Could all the architecture releases of Lenny be designed to make maximum use of jigdo in the ways I am describing or would it be a beaurocratic nightmare or a waste of time with no benefit, or worse would it cock up and interfere with the development of Lenny? I am not a DD and don't know how difficult it would be to create the CD/DVD sets in the different ways you describe, but it may be worth investigating further. If you think this a garbage idea feel free to say so. I don't mind. Not at all. Regards Michael Fothergill _ Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Install debian with floppy, usb no boot, no cd
I try to search because I do not think to be the first having this problem but I found nothing. I have a portege 320ct, with floppy, usb no bootable, no cd. I downloaded debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso, then I created boot floppy and extracted to usb the content of iso (also deploying in the root the content of the floppy directory). Then I boot from floppy, usb is recognized and loaded, installation continues through usb and I always arrive to the same point (as when I also created root drivers floppies): installation wants to know where is my cd. I hoped I would have been able to reach the installation menu, to configure the network, to select packages, etc etc. In other words, I'm not able to teach to the installation where the netinst distro is. I also create a bootable usb with syslinux, I copied the whole iso file, I mounted the iso on the filesystem, but the menu is always the same: it wants areal cd!. Is there any hints? Thanks a lot AC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: flashplayer9? (Mystery solved)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/06 21:17, Marc Shapiro wrote: David Jardine wrote: On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 12:27:48PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote: Yes, but there are actually quite a few hidden configuration directories that are set with permissions of 700. I can see that this prevents anyone else from viewing your configs, but I don't see a danger in that (viewing, but not changing). I could just change all of them from 700 to 755. Then updatedb would find them all and locate will actually get everything, until the next time that some program creates its config directory with a 700 permission. You might find that some programs (fetchmail is an example I can think of) refuse to run if permissions on the config files are not strict enough. This is why I would prefer to simply change updatedb.conf so that updatedb runs as 'root' instead of as 'nobody'. If no one can give me a good reason not to, then that is what I will do. Security rule #2 : Don't run as root unless you *really* need to, like touch the h/w. Otherwise, use groups. Instead of having slocate run as root, find out why ~/.mozilla/ is set to 700. BTW, mine is set to 700 also. Probably because of passwords. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFhVJHS9HxQb37XmcRAiLbAJ0Tr8iB3VuaO34+gl74ASvdZUqolACgoue0 NQyYmWMMRXXFxAwK9xA0G4g= =KRGc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]