Re: schroot. comment exécuter les scripts de configuration ?
Par ailleurs, l'élément le plus intéressant dans le man par rapport à ton problème est le suivant : type=type […] Note that 'plain' chroots do not run setup scripts and mount filesystems; 'directory' is recommended for normal use (see Plain and directory chroots, below) Or ton schroot est configurer en plain (par défault). Il faut donc que tu ajoute type=directory en dessous de [maverick]. Merci beaucoup Vincent. C'était effectivement le problème principal. J'ai ajouté cette ligne et ça marche parfaitement. Le script-config est vraiment abandonné, il faut mettre (dans mon cas) profile=desktop (ou autre) si on ne veut pas utiliser le profil default Maintenant tout roule ;-) Guy -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504d860a.9050...@teledetection.fr
Re: Mauvaise habitude
Le vendredi 07 septembre 2012 à 14:04 +, Tanguy Ortolo a écrit : Je ne connais pas beaucoup de logiciels de messagerie qui proposent cela. Mutt, Thunderbird aussi visiblement, mais ce n'est pas généralisé, si ? Sous Linux, je crois que si. Pour Evolution CtrlL Par contre c'est mal foutu niveau icones, il faudrait faire un rapport de bug tiens. Actuellement, il faut cliquer sur la petite flèche à droite de l'icone répondre à tous ou il y a une option avec et une option sans. L'option par défaut quand on clique sur l'icone est avec copie (-_-); -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347259345.16534.8.camel@jisui.aranha
Re: [HS] Variables serveur Web php.ini
Le 7 septembre 2012 19:50, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : C'est un défaut bien ennuyeux de FireFox, qui n'existe pas avec les autres navigateurs. C'est une problématique purement fonctionnel dont seul l'auteur de l'application web doit décider, aucunement le navigateur. Regarde du côté des modules firefox, l'extension autofill semble apporter une réponse, d'autres extensions te conviendront peut-être mieux. Cdt, Gab'
Re: [Digression]: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Le dimanche 9 septembre 2012 à 20:32:12, François Boisson a écrit : […] À ce sujet, su un portable muni d'un disque SSD et de 4G de RAM, vaut-il mieux redémarrer à chaque fois ou mettre en hibernation (avec une écriture sur le disque swap). Le gain de vitesse n'est pas flagrant et peut être que l'écriture systématique sur le swap n'est as géniale pour le disque. Il y a des avis??? La durée de vie des SSD actuels est plus longue que celle des disques durs. En gros, avant d’user toutes les cellules, on peut écrire tout le disque chaque jour pendant 5 ou 10 ans, si ce n’est plus. Maintenant, tu peux aussi simplement le mettre en veille (suspend to ram), le réveil est plus rapide, la consommation est très réduite et c’est aussi simple que de fermer et ouvrir le capot. -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209101140.36234.sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Bonjour J'ai tout repris à 0 : purge de systemd puis boot classique avec file-rc, tous les services lancés normalement au boot. Aucun problème donc avec le système init sysvinit file-rc classique. J'ai réinstallé systemd. Toujours le même problème: aucun service lancé au boot, dont networking et cups. Avec le gui systemadm, les services non démarrés sont invisibles. Ils apparaissent si je les lance à la main. La commande mount donne: # mount sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime) proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime) udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=1020029,mode=755) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000) tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=1633308k,mode=755) /dev/disk/by-uuid/3b48f8b1-4e7e-422a-ac21-3212af48c662 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime) tmpfs on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,mode=755) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,release_agent=/lib/systemd/systemd-cgroups-agent,name=systemd) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,cpuset) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu,cpuacct type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,cpuacct,cpu) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/devices type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,devices) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/freezer type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,freezer) cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup/blkio type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,blkio) systemd-1 on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=23,pgrp=1,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,direct) mqueue on /dev/mqueue type mqueue (rw,relatime) securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw,relatime) /dev/sda7 on /mnt/sda7 type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) Cordialement -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504dbdf1.7070...@gmail.com
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Le Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:16:17PM +0200, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'ai tout repris à 0 : purge de systemd puis boot classique avec file-rc, tous les services lancés normalement au boot. Aucun problème donc avec le système init sysvinit file-rc classique. J'ai réinstallé systemd. Toujours le même problème: aucun service lancé au boot, dont networking et cups. Avec le gui systemadm, les services non démarrés sont invisibles. Ils apparaissent si je les lance à la main. Bonjour, hier en lisant cette discussion, j'ai installé systemd sur mon mix Wheezy/Sid, et pour le moment je n'observe pas de problème avec le réseau (GNOME 3 plus NetworkManager). Le problème ne serait-il pas que tant qu'on n'essaye pas d'accéder au service via son iterface, systemd ne va pas le lancer ? Amicalement, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910102332.gf32...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: [Digression]: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le dimanche 9 septembre 2012 à 20:32:12, François Boisson a écrit : […] À ce sujet, su un portable muni d'un disque SSD et de 4G de RAM, vaut-il mieux redémarrer à chaque fois ou mettre en hibernation (avec une écriture sur le disque swap). Le gain de vitesse n'est pas flagrant et peut être que l'écriture systématique sur le swap n'est as géniale pour le disque. Il y a des avis??? La durée de vie des SSD actuels est plus longue que celle des disques durs. En gros, avant d’user toutes les cellules, on peut écrire tout le disque chaque jour pendant 5 ou 10 ans, si ce n’est plus. Ça, c'est la théorie. Dans l'embarqué, on a plein de problèmes avec les SSD et mon plus vieux SSD n'a pas un an. Ce sont pourtant des SLC de compétition et je puis t'assurer que je n'écris pas beaucoup sur ces disques (et que le fs n'est pas journalisé). Ce n'est pas demain la veille que je mettrais ce genre de saleté dans un PC même portable. En plus, dans le vieillissement, il ne faut pas oublier la température (plus ça chauffe, plus il y a de migration de charges) et le firmware. Certains SSD (au hasard Kingston Business) chauffent plus qu'un disque dur équivalent et d'autres ont un firmware tellement buggué que les algorithmes de waterleaving sont inefficaces ! Cordialement, JKB -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504dc309.1030...@systella.fr
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Le 09/09/2012 12:43, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'ai installé systemd il y a quelques jours. Je suis obligé de lancer le réseau et cups à la main après chaque boot Dans syslog /sbin/ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory Le message d'erreur que tu donnes me fait aussi penser à une mauvaise migration vers /run d'un paquet comme ifupdown, initscripts ou netbase. Avant cette migration le fichier ifstate était dans /etc/network/run/. -- == | FRÉDÉRIC MASSOT | | http://www.juliana-multimedia.com | | mailto:frede...@juliana-multimedia.com | | +33.(0)2.97.54.77.94 +33.(0)6.67.19.95.69 | ===Debian=GNU/Linux=== -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504dcd35.2070...@juliana-multimedia.com
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
On 09/10/2012 01:21 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: Le 09/09/2012 12:43, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'ai installé systemd il y a quelques jours. Je suis obligé de lancer le réseau et cups à la main après chaque boot Dans syslog /sbin/ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory Le message d'erreur que tu donnes me fait aussi penser à une mauvaise migration vers /run d'un paquet comme ifupdown, initscripts ou netbase. Avant cette migration le fichier ifstate était dans /etc/network/run/. Avec le boot classique, j'ai toujours eu le lien /etc/network/run - /run/network. Et ifstate dans /run/network Si /run/network/ifstate n'existe pas lors du boot avec systemd, c'est que le réseau n'est pas lancé. Ifstate est créé en lançant /etc/initd/networking start. Le problème n'est pas spécifique au réseau. Le non démarrage des services avec systemd concerne tous les services dont cups apache mysql mediatomb nfs tor -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504dd942.5040...@gmail.com
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
On 09/10/2012 12:23 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:16:17PM +0200, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'ai tout repris à 0 : purge de systemd puis boot classique avec file-rc, tous les services lancés normalement au boot. Aucun problème donc avec le système init sysvinit file-rc classique. J'ai réinstallé systemd. Toujours le même problème: aucun service lancé au boot, dont networking et cups. Avec le gui systemadm, les services non démarrés sont invisibles. Ils apparaissent si je les lance à la main. Bonjour, hier en lisant cette discussion, j'ai installé systemd sur mon mix Wheezy/Sid, et pour le moment je n'observe pas de problème avec le réseau (GNOME 3 plus NetworkManager). Le problème ne serait-il pas que tant qu'on n'essaye pas d'accéder au service via son iterface, systemd ne va pas le lancer ? Amicalement, Bonjour Comme je l'ai dit, l'interface systemd-gui ne montre pas les services non lancés, même si je coche la case inactive too. Par contre, si je lance un service à la main, je peux l'arrêter avec l'interface qui me le signale alors inactive dead et je peux le relancer avec l'interface. Cordialement -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504ddb23.4000...@gmail.com
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Le 10/09/2012 14:12, maderios a écrit : On 09/10/2012 01:21 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: Le 09/09/2012 12:43, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'ai installé systemd il y a quelques jours. Je suis obligé de lancer le réseau et cups à la main après chaque boot Dans syslog /sbin/ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory Le message d'erreur que tu donnes me fait aussi penser à une mauvaise migration vers /run d'un paquet comme ifupdown, initscripts ou netbase. Avant cette migration le fichier ifstate était dans /etc/network/run/. Avec le boot classique, j'ai toujours eu le lien /etc/network/run - /run/network. Et ifstate dans /run/network Si /run/network/ifstate n'existe pas lors du boot avec systemd, c'est que le réseau n'est pas lancé. Ifstate est créé en lançant /etc/initd/networking start. Le problème n'est pas spécifique au réseau. Le non démarrage des services avec systemd concerne tous les services dont cups apache mysql mediatomb nfs tor Quels sont les premiers messages d'erreurs dans les logs suite au boot ? -- == | FRÉDÉRIC MASSOT | | http://www.juliana-multimedia.com | | mailto:frede...@juliana-multimedia.com | | +33.(0)2.97.54.77.94 +33.(0)6.67.19.95.69 | ===Debian=GNU/Linux=== -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504ddff3.5030...@juliana-multimedia.com
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
On 09/10/2012 02:41 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: Le 10/09/2012 14:12, maderios a écrit : On 09/10/2012 01:21 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: Le 09/09/2012 12:43, maderios a écrit : Bonjour J'ai installé systemd il y a quelques jours. Je suis obligé de lancer le réseau et cups à la main après chaque boot Dans syslog /sbin/ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory Le message d'erreur que tu donnes me fait aussi penser à une mauvaise migration vers /run d'un paquet comme ifupdown, initscripts ou netbase. Avant cette migration le fichier ifstate était dans /etc/network/run/. Avec le boot classique, j'ai toujours eu le lien /etc/network/run - /run/network. Et ifstate dans /run/network Si /run/network/ifstate n'existe pas lors du boot avec systemd, c'est que le réseau n'est pas lancé. Ifstate est créé en lançant /etc/initd/networking start. Le problème n'est pas spécifique au réseau. Le non démarrage des services avec systemd concerne tous les services dont cups apache mysql mediatomb nfs tor Quels sont les premiers messages d'erreurs dans les logs suite au boot ? Je n'ai rien dans syslog à partir du dernier reboot parce que rsyslog n'a pas été démarré par systemd C'est donc pire que lors de ma première installation de systemd le 6 septembre dernier. J'ai des traces de systemd concernant les jours précédents dbus[1105]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 Aug 6 15:56:33 salix dbus[1105]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.systemd1' (using servicehelper) Aug 6 15:56:33 salix dbus[1105]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 Aug 6 15:57:27 salix dbus[1105]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.systemd1' (using servicehelper) Aug 6 15:57:27 salix dbus[1105]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 Aug 6 16:00:05 salix dbus[1105]: [system] Reloaded configuration Sep 7 11:05:48 salix systemd-fsck[295]: /dev/sda5: clean, 575744/2624496 files, 5513504/10496000 blocks Sep 7 11:05:48 salix udevd[561]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1c.4/:05:00.0/usb3/3-2 3 2': No such file or directory Sep 7 11:05:48 salix udevd[562]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1a.0/usb5/5-1/5-1.2 5 3': No such file or directory Sep 7 11:05:48 salix udevd[575]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.0/usb6/6-1/6-1.6/6-1.6.3 6 5': No such file or directory Sep 7 11:05:48 salix systemd-fsck[765]: /dev/sda7: clean, 621845/53010432 files, 101240823/212011008 blocks (check in 5 mounts) Sep 7 11:05:48 salix ifup[784]: /sbin/ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory Sep 7 11:05:48 salix ifup[785]: /sbin/ifup: failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory Sep 7 11:05:48 salix systemd[1]: ifup@wlan0.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1 Sep 7 11:05:48 salix systemd[1]: ifup@eth3.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1 Sep 7 11:05:48 salix kernel: [0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset Sep 7 11:05:48 salix kernel: [0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu Sep 7 11:05:48 salix kernel: [0.00] Linux version 3.4.9 (root@salix) (gcc version 4.7.1 (Debian 4.7.1-2) ) #1 SMP Tue Aug 21 12:14:32 CEST 2012 Sep 7 11:05:48 salix kernel: [0.00] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.4.9 root=UUID=***--*-- ro init=/bin/systemd -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504df498.9030...@gmail.com
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
Le 10/09/2012 16:09, maderios a écrit : On 09/10/2012 02:41 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: [...] Quels sont les premiers messages d'erreurs dans les logs suite au boot ? Je n'ai rien dans syslog à partir du dernier reboot parce que rsyslog n'a pas été démarré par systemd C'est donc pire que lors de ma première installation de systemd le 6 septembre dernier. J'ai des traces de systemd concernant les jours précédents dbus[1105]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 Il y a eu un bug l'année dernière où le principal symptôme était le non démarrage de dbus et donc de tout ce qui en dépendait, regarde ce rapport : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=634472 Le problème venait d'autres paquets dont les scripts d'initialisation perturbait Systemd. Tu as regardé s'il n'y a pas déjà un rapport de bug qui ressemble au tiens ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=systemd -- == | FRÉDÉRIC MASSOT | | http://www.juliana-multimedia.com | | mailto:frede...@juliana-multimedia.com | | +33.(0)2.97.54.77.94 +33.(0)6.67.19.95.69 | ===Debian=GNU/Linux=== -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504e1441.5010...@juliana-multimedia.com
Re: [HS] Variables serveur Web php.ini
On Monday 10 September 2012 08:58:27 Gabriel Euzet wrote: Le 7 septembre 2012 19:50, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : C'est un défaut bien ennuyeux de FireFox, qui n'existe pas avec les autres navigateurs. C'est une problématique purement fonctionnel dont seul l'auteur de l'application web doit décider, aucunement le navigateur. Regarde du côté des modules firefox, l'extension autofill semble apporter une réponse, d'autres extensions te conviendront peut-être mieux. Cdt, Gab' Les navigateurs gardent les infos déjà tapées dans les formulaires en cas d'erreur et de retour. exceptés Firefox et IE : pour moi, c'est un défaut. L'extension autofill n'arrange pas ce problème. Ceci oblige d'ajouter pas mal de lignes de codes PHP dans les fichiers des formulaire pour garder les infos déjà renseignées. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209102047.17832.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: systemd : problème démarrage services au boot
On 09/10/2012 06:24 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: Le 10/09/2012 16:09, maderios a écrit : On 09/10/2012 02:41 PM, Frédéric Massot wrote: [...] Quels sont les premiers messages d'erreurs dans les logs suite au boot ? Je n'ai rien dans syslog à partir du dernier reboot parce que rsyslog n'a pas été démarré par systemd C'est donc pire que lors de ma première installation de systemd le 6 septembre dernier. J'ai des traces de systemd concernant les jours précédents dbus[1105]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 Il y a eu un bug l'année dernière où le principal symptôme était le non démarrage de dbus et donc de tout ce qui en dépendait, regarde ce rapport : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=634472 Le problème venait d'autres paquets dont les scripts d'initialisation perturbait Systemd. Tu as regardé s'il n'y a pas déjà un rapport de bug qui ressemble au tiens ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=systemd Merci pour ces liens. Oui, j'ai commencé à regarder du coté des rapports de bugs. Je ferais bien un rapport si il est établi que c'est un bug et qu'il n'a pas été déjà signalé. J'ai réinstallé file-rc + sysvinit après avoir réussi à casser pas mal de choses, dont apt et sysv-rc. Obligé de chrooter mon système pour sortir de la panade Debian prouve une fois de plus sa solidité... Donc pas de boot systmd pour le moment mais le boot classique en attendant de comprendre ce qui se passe, ce qui peut changer. Cordialement -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504e3693.30...@gmail.com
Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?
On ds, 2012-09-08 at 16:40 +, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:21:12 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió: [...] Claro, hemos evolucionado y ahora usamos herramientas como less [0] y bootstrap [1]. A eso me refiero. Ese tipo de frameworks facilitan mucho la creación de páginas y su mantenimiento (actualizaciones, etc...) pero se reconocen enseguida porque usan el mismo tipo de plantillas prediseñadas, siguen la misma estructura de contenidos, los mismos espacios para la publicidad, o quizá sea cosa mía que he desarrollado un sentido especial para detectarlas. Es lo que desarrolla este artículo: http://www.joanmayans.com/?p=159 (en catalán) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347280188.6403.2.camel@escampalaboira.local
Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?
Hola, en lo personal lo veo así. si no sabes nada de nada, lo mejor es ponerse a estudiar. esperar que un software te haga la mágia no te da el título de desarrollador web. si ya estás más avanzado, puedes usar Gimp + un IDE que te acomode (Geany, editor de texto, etc) en lo personal uso Netbeans PHP ya que viene ful integrado con Control de Versiones. recomiendo que las tareas sean separadas, pastelero a tus pasteles como se dice. un arquitecto de la información, muy importante un diseñador que diseñe lo que se necesite un armador o productor, que hará la transformación del gráfico a html + css un desarrollador web, para ponerle vida un QA, para probar lo que estas desarrollando y mejorar posibles problemas antes de presentarlo al cliente un periodista para que te ayude con los textos y el contenido si esto lo hace una persona, quizás lo pueda hacer, pero la calidad no será la misma. esto desde un punto de vista muy personal. salud! El día 10 de septiembre de 2012 09:29, Ernest Sales ersa...@gmail.com escribió: On ds, 2012-09-08 at 16:40 +, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:21:12 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió: [...] Claro, hemos evolucionado y ahora usamos herramientas como less [0] y bootstrap [1]. A eso me refiero. Ese tipo de frameworks facilitan mucho la creación de páginas y su mantenimiento (actualizaciones, etc...) pero se reconocen enseguida porque usan el mismo tipo de plantillas prediseñadas, siguen la misma estructura de contenidos, los mismos espacios para la publicidad, o quizá sea cosa mía que he desarrollado un sentido especial para detectarlas. Es lo que desarrolla este artículo: http://www.joanmayans.com/?p=159 (en catalán) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347280188.6403.2.camel@escampalaboira.local -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPp8T3Qnh2QN5R46AzKr4mXQ3dm4iy=-q4u1u6l89uofjhy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?
El Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:29:48 +0200, Ernest Sales escribió: On ds, 2012-09-08 at 16:40 +, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:21:12 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió: [...] Claro, hemos evolucionado y ahora usamos herramientas como less [0] y bootstrap [1]. A eso me refiero. Ese tipo de frameworks facilitan mucho la creación de páginas y su mantenimiento (actualizaciones, etc...) pero se reconocen enseguida porque usan el mismo tipo de plantillas prediseñadas, siguen la misma estructura de contenidos, los mismos espacios para la publicidad, o quizá sea cosa mía que he desarrollado un sentido especial para detectarlas. Es lo que desarrolla este artículo: http://www.joanmayans.com/?p=159 (en catalán) Completamente de acuerdo. Yo me quedo a cuadros cuando veo una página web en PHP cuyo contenido es sólo texto y alguna que otra imagen (típica página corporativa de quiénes somos, qué hacemos, a dónde vamos) lo cual no sólo supone una pérdida de recursos tremenda (el servidor tiene que tener instalado PHP, amén de interpretar el código y presentar el resultado en el navegador cliente) sino que el uso de frameworks como los que comenta el autor en el blog supone actualmente uno de los mayores problemas de seguridad en los servidores web. Y no se trata de demonizar este tipo de soluciones (supongo que en el año 2000 los programadores web echarían las mismas pestes sobre los editores gráficos html) sino de saber adecuar cada proyecto con su herramienta y no intentar matar moscas a cañonazos como suele pasar ahora con este tipo de soluciones todo-en-uno que generan páginas web prácticamente impersonales. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2kqe0$77j$1...@ger.gmane.org
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Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?
El día 10 de septiembre de 2012 10:37, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:29:48 +0200, Ernest Sales escribió: On ds, 2012-09-08 at 16:40 +, Camaleón wrote: El Sat, 08 Sep 2012 10:21:12 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió: [...] Claro, hemos evolucionado y ahora usamos herramientas como less [0] y bootstrap [1]. A eso me refiero. Ese tipo de frameworks facilitan mucho la creación de páginas y su mantenimiento (actualizaciones, etc...) pero se reconocen enseguida porque usan el mismo tipo de plantillas prediseñadas, siguen la misma estructura de contenidos, los mismos espacios para la publicidad, o quizá sea cosa mía que he desarrollado un sentido especial para detectarlas. Es lo que desarrolla este artículo: http://www.joanmayans.com/?p=159 (en catalán) Completamente de acuerdo. Yo me quedo a cuadros cuando veo una página web en PHP cuyo contenido es sólo texto y alguna que otra imagen (típica página corporativa de quiénes somos, qué hacemos, a dónde vamos) lo cual no sólo supone una pérdida de recursos tremenda (el servidor tiene que tener instalado PHP, amén de interpretar el código y presentar el resultado en el navegador cliente) sino que el uso de frameworks como los que comenta el autor en el blog supone actualmente uno de los mayores problemas de seguridad en los servidores web. Y no se trata de demonizar este tipo de soluciones (supongo que en el año 2000 los programadores web echarían las mismas pestes sobre los editores gráficos html) sino de saber adecuar cada proyecto con su herramienta y no intentar matar moscas a cañonazos como suele pasar ahora con este tipo de soluciones todo-en-uno que generan páginas web prácticamente impersonales. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2kqe0$77j$1...@ger.gmane.org Yo uso Inkscape, gimp, gedit y con eso paso al frente. Ninja-ide está bueno para hacer cosas con python -- Fernando Rodriguez __ skype: fernandorodriguez310 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/calr8fn4og_hb1wxtt0m0qdbxumagstjzmo+-xd6ccn28wja...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Νέα θέση εργασίας στο Εθνικό Δίκτυο Έρευνας και Τεχνολογίας
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Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname
Olá pessoal, Desculpem-me pela demora. Só consegui ver meus emails hoje. Estou seguindo um tutorial que o Higor passou e parece estar dando certo ;) Edson Amaral: Eu já tinha feito essa configuração no /etc/hosts e mesmo assim não sei porque não funcionou. Higor Gutherman: Era bem isso mesmo o que eu estava procurando, valeu pelo link! SuperJack: Então, eu só tenho um servidor. Neste roda o dhcp, firewall (iptable), squid e samba. O que acontece é que não consigo encontrar o servidor através do hostname. Como resolver isso seria minha duvida. Valeu pela força, todos tem contribuido muito. Abraço. Em 8 de setembro de 2012 08:48, -=|§µÞë®jä¢k|=- jacksu...@gmail.comescreveu: ola John voce tem algum servidor respondendo pelo seu dns interno? Em 4 de setembro de 2012 09:12, John Martius hax0...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá pessoal, Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede. O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings. Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname. Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto nos clientes quanto no servidor. Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só consegue através do ip do servidor. No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable. O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet. O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando acessos. Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS. Toda ajuda é bem vida! Att. John
Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname
qual foi o tutorial que o Higor passou? Em 10 de setembro de 2012 08:22, John Martius hax0...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá pessoal, Desculpem-me pela demora. Só consegui ver meus emails hoje. Estou seguindo um tutorial que o Higor passou e parece estar dando certo ;) Edson Amaral: Eu já tinha feito essa configuração no /etc/hosts e mesmo assim não sei porque não funcionou. Higor Gutherman: Era bem isso mesmo o que eu estava procurando, valeu pelo link! SuperJack: Então, eu só tenho um servidor. Neste roda o dhcp, firewall (iptable), squid e samba. O que acontece é que não consigo encontrar o servidor através do hostname. Como resolver isso seria minha duvida. Valeu pela força, todos tem contribuido muito. Abraço. Em 8 de setembro de 2012 08:48, -=|§µÞë®jä¢k|=- jacksu...@gmail.comescreveu: ola John voce tem algum servidor respondendo pelo seu dns interno? Em 4 de setembro de 2012 09:12, John Martius hax0...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá pessoal, Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede. O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings. Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname. Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto nos clientes quanto no servidor. Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só consegue através do ip do servidor. No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable. O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet. O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando acessos. Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS. Toda ajuda é bem vida! Att. John -- *Bruno Oliveira *User Linux: #552415 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bruno-oliveira/43/885/26
Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname
acho que ele não enviou com cópia pro grupo. o link é esse: http://www.liria.com.br/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:linux:config:bind:bind Em 10 de setembro de 2012 08:28, Bruno Fernando de Oliveira bruno...@gmail.com escreveu: qual foi o tutorial que o Higor passou? Em 10 de setembro de 2012 08:22, John Martius hax0...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá pessoal, Desculpem-me pela demora. Só consegui ver meus emails hoje. Estou seguindo um tutorial que o Higor passou e parece estar dando certo ;) Edson Amaral: Eu já tinha feito essa configuração no /etc/hosts e mesmo assim não sei porque não funcionou. Higor Gutherman: Era bem isso mesmo o que eu estava procurando, valeu pelo link! SuperJack: Então, eu só tenho um servidor. Neste roda o dhcp, firewall (iptable), squid e samba. O que acontece é que não consigo encontrar o servidor através do hostname. Como resolver isso seria minha duvida. Valeu pela força, todos tem contribuido muito. Abraço. Em 8 de setembro de 2012 08:48, -=|§µÞë®jä¢k|=- jacksu...@gmail.comescreveu: ola John voce tem algum servidor respondendo pelo seu dns interno? Em 4 de setembro de 2012 09:12, John Martius hax0...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá pessoal, Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede. O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings. Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname. Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto nos clientes quanto no servidor. Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só consegue através do ip do servidor. No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable. O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet. O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando acessos. Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS. Toda ajuda é bem vida! Att. John -- *Bruno Oliveira *User Linux: #552415 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bruno-oliveira/43/885/26
Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname
Esse link mesmo. Me esqueci de enviar com cópia para todos.. Att, Higor Gutherman Cisco Network Academy Student Tecnólogo em Redes de Computadores Email: higorgn at gmail.com - (62) 99882626 Em 10 de setembro de 2012 08:50, John Martius hax0...@gmail.com escreveu: acho que ele não enviou com cópia pro grupo. o link é esse: http://www.liria.com.br/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:linux:config:bind:bind Em 10 de setembro de 2012 08:28, Bruno Fernando de Oliveira bruno...@gmail.com escreveu: qual foi o tutorial que o Higor passou? Em 10 de setembro de 2012 08:22, John Martius hax0...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá pessoal, Desculpem-me pela demora. Só consegui ver meus emails hoje. Estou seguindo um tutorial que o Higor passou e parece estar dando certo ;) Edson Amaral: Eu já tinha feito essa configuração no /etc/hosts e mesmo assim não sei porque não funcionou. Higor Gutherman: Era bem isso mesmo o que eu estava procurando, valeu pelo link! SuperJack: Então, eu só tenho um servidor. Neste roda o dhcp, firewall (iptable), squid e samba. O que acontece é que não consigo encontrar o servidor através do hostname. Como resolver isso seria minha duvida. Valeu pela força, todos tem contribuido muito. Abraço. Em 8 de setembro de 2012 08:48, -=|§µÞë®jä¢k|=- jacksu...@gmail.comescreveu: ola John voce tem algum servidor respondendo pelo seu dns interno? Em 4 de setembro de 2012 09:12, John Martius hax0...@gmail.comescreveu: Olá pessoal, Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede. O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings. Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname. Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto nos clientes quanto no servidor. Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só consegue através do ip do servidor. No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable. O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet. O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando acessos. Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS. Toda ajuda é bem vida! Att. John -- *Bruno Oliveira *User Linux: #552415 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bruno-oliveira/43/885/26
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Re: iptables versus amule
Leandro obrigado por participar da minha luta com o emule, vou descrever com mais detalhes o cenário: # regras forward iptables -A FORWARD -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT varias outras regras forward # Libera emule iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 4662 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 4672 -j ACCEPT # Regras NAT varias regras NAT # Redirecionamento emule para host dsk-mneto iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp --dport 4672 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 Agora perceba abaixo que o log do firewall indica o bloqueio da tentativa de conexão exatamente indicando a porta do servidor emule que tentei conectar. Sep 10 19:08:22 defiant kernel: [1482365.852091] FWR-DROPED:IN=eth1 OUT=ppp0 SRC=192.168.10.11 DST=91.200.42.46 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=127 ID=930 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=49405 DPT=1176 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 Agradecendo o interesse, Mauricio Neto Em 10-09-2012 16:58, Leandro Moreira escreveu: Mauricio, boa tarde! Faz tempo que nao faço regra de fw, mas depois q te respondi vi q escrevi bobagem , alem de liberar no input/output, tdm q fazer um nat para q o emule funcione. Att Em 10/09/2012 15:01, Mauricio Neto mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com escreveu: Leandro, No emule as portas estão definidas como padrão (4662 e 4762) e efetuei as permissões (regra forward) no iptables conforme expliquei no meu email. Obrigado Mauricio Neto Em 08-09-2012 19:16, Leandro Moreira escreveu: vai no emule e seta a porta q vc abriu no sei fw que resolve. Em 08/09/2012 18:49, Mauricio Neto mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com escreveu: Amigos da lista boa noite Configurei meu firewall (iptables) de forma restritiva (default de todas as regras drop) liberando apenas conforme a necessidade. Tudo tem funcionando sem problemas inclusive msn e outros, mas ando apanhando para liberar o emule. Apliquei as regras de forward para as portas tcp 4662 e udp 4762 e meu modem ADSL esta em modo bridge. Uma coisa que percebo no log do iptables é que ele faz menção as portas do servidor que ele esta tentando conectar, exemplo o eDonkeyServer utiliza a porta 4242 e exatamente é essa a informação que obtenho no log do iptables informando que bloqueou a conexão da porta 4242 e não vejo qualquer menção as portas 4662 ou 4762, mesmo retirando as regras de liberação para essas portas. Agradeço a atenção Mauricio Neto GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google TalkT and most webmails -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504bbd63.10...@inbox.com Smileys Preview http://www.inbox.com/smileys *Get Free Smileys for Your IM Email* - Learn more at www.crawler.com/smileys http://www.crawler.com/smileys Works with AIM^® , MSN^® Messenger, Yahoo!^® Messenger, ICQ^® , Google Talk^T and most webmails FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more!
Re: iptables versus amule
A regra Postrouting tem que ser Prerouting no seu cenário. Faz o teste !! On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 19:23 -0300, Mauricio Neto wrote: Leandro obrigado por participar da minha luta com o emule, vou descrever com mais detalhes o cenário: # regras forward iptables -A FORWARD -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT varias outras regras forward # Libera emule iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 4662 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 4672 -j ACCEPT # Regras NAT varias regras NAT # Redirecionamento emule para host dsk-mneto iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp --dport 4672 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 Agora perceba abaixo que o log do firewall indica o bloqueio da tentativa de conexão exatamente indicando a porta do servidor emule que tentei conectar. Sep 10 19:08:22 defiant kernel: [1482365.852091] FWR-DROPED:IN=eth1 OUT=ppp0 SRC=192.168.10.11 DST=91.200.42.46 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=127 ID=930 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=49405 DPT=1176 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 Agradecendo o interesse, Mauricio Neto Em 10-09-2012 16:58, Leandro Moreira escreveu: Mauricio, boa tarde! Faz tempo que nao faço regra de fw, mas depois q te respondi vi q escrevi bobagem , alem de liberar no input/output, tdm q fazer um nat para q o emule funcione. Att Em 10/09/2012 15:01, Mauricio Neto mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com escreveu: Leandro, No emule as portas estão definidas como padrão (4662 e 4762) e efetuei as permissões (regra forward) no iptables conforme expliquei no meu email. Obrigado Mauricio Neto Em 08-09-2012 19:16, Leandro Moreira escreveu: vai no emule e seta a porta q vc abriu no sei fw que resolve. Em 08/09/2012 18:49, Mauricio Neto mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com escreveu: Amigos da lista boa noite Configurei meu firewall (iptables) de forma restritiva (default de todas as regras drop) liberando apenas conforme a necessidade. Tudo tem funcionando sem problemas inclusive msn e outros, mas ando apanhando para liberar o emule. Apliquei as regras de forward para as portas tcp 4662 e udp 4762 e meu modem ADSL esta em modo bridge. Uma coisa que percebo no log do iptables é que ele faz menção as portas do servidor que ele esta tentando conectar, exemplo o eDonkeyServer utiliza a porta 4242 e exatamente é essa a informação que obtenho no log do iptables informando que bloqueou a conexão da porta 4242 e não vejo qualquer menção as portas 4662 ou 4762, mesmo retirando as regras de liberação para essas portas. Agradeço a atenção Mauricio Neto GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google TalkT and most webmails -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504bbd63.10...@inbox.com Smileys Preview http://www.inbox.com/smileys *Get Free Smileys for Your IM Email* - Learn more at www.crawler.com/smileys http://www.crawler.com/smileys Works with AIM^® , MSN^® Messenger, Yahoo!^® Messenger, ICQ^® , Google Talk^T and most webmails FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- Adiel de Lima Ribeiro facebook.com/sembr.dyndns.info
Re: iptables versus amule
Adiel, Desculpe o erro mas no firewall esta PREROUTING, ate porque POSTROUTING -i da erro de sintax. Eu errei na hora de transcrever o email. Ou seja as regras no firewall estão: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp --dport 4672 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 Em 10-09-2012 19:42, Adiel de Lima Ribeiro escreveu: A regra Postrouting tem que ser Prerouting no seu cenário. Faz o teste !! On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 19:23 -0300, Mauricio Neto wrote: Leandro obrigado por participar da minha luta com o emule, vou descrever com mais detalhes o cenário: # regras forward iptables -A FORWARD -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT varias outras regras forward # Libera emule iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 4662 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 4672 -j ACCEPT # Regras NAT varias regras NAT # Redirecionamento emule para host dsk-mneto iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp --dport 4672 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.11 Agora perceba abaixo que o log do firewall indica o bloqueio da tentativa de conexão exatamente indicando a porta do servidor emule que tentei conectar. Sep 10 19:08:22 defiant kernel: [1482365.852091] FWR-DROPED:IN=eth1 OUT=ppp0 SRC=192.168.10.11 DST=91.200.42.46 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=127 ID=930 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=49405 DPT=1176 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 Agradecendo o interesse, Mauricio Neto Em 10-09-2012 16:58, Leandro Moreira escreveu: Mauricio, boa tarde! Faz tempo que nao faço regra de fw, mas depois q te respondi vi q escrevi bobagem , alem de liberar no input/output, tdm q fazer um nat para q o emule funcione. Att Em 10/09/2012 15:01, Mauricio Neto mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com escreveu: Leandro, No emule as portas estão definidas como padrão (4662 e 4762) e efetuei as permissões (regra forward) no iptables conforme expliquei no meu email. Obrigado Mauricio Neto Em 08-09-2012 19:16, Leandro Moreira escreveu: vai no emule e seta a porta q vc abriu no sei fw que resolve. Em 08/09/2012 18:49, Mauricio Neto mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com mailto:mn...@inbox.com escreveu: Amigos da lista boa noite Configurei meu firewall (iptables) de forma restritiva (default de todas as regras drop) liberando apenas conforme a necessidade. Tudo tem funcionando sem problemas inclusive msn e outros, mas ando apanhando para liberar o emule. Apliquei as regras de forward para as portas tcp 4662 e udp 4762 e meu modem ADSL esta em modo bridge. Uma coisa que percebo no log do iptables é que ele faz menção as portas do servidor que ele esta tentando conectar, exemplo o eDonkeyServer utiliza a porta 4242 e exatamente é essa a informação que obtenho no log do iptables informando que bloqueou a conexão da porta 4242 e não vejo qualquer menção as portas 4662 ou 4762, mesmo retirando as regras de liberação para essas portas. Agradeço a atenção Mauricio Neto GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google TalkT and most webmails -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:http://lists.debian.org/504bbd63.10...@inbox.com Smileys Preview http://www.inbox.com/smileys *Get Free Smileys for Your IM Email* - Learn more at www.crawler.com/smileys http://www.crawler.com/smileys http://www.crawler.com/smileys Works with AIM^® , MSN^® Messenger, Yahoo!^® Messenger, ICQ^® , Google Talk^T and most webmails FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visithttp://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- Adiel de Lima Ribeiro facebook.com/sembr.dyndns.info FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium
LXC container shutdowns master host
Hi all, I am using LXC containers to run isolated Debian instances. When I enter the container (via lxc-console command) and issue shutdown command inside the container -- master host goes down. It happens if I issue shutdown -r, shutdown -h or just shutdown commands. It happens not every time -- in some cases behavior is correct: shutdown command doesn't affect master host and container just goes down. Where can be a problem? Thanks in advance! -- Regards, Andrew Kulikov. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504d98db.30...@gmail.com
Re: problems installing linux on new laptop
On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 02:58 -0400, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen wrote: I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv4 5162la. I have tried all night to install linux opn it, various distributions, but all have problems, of different sort. Now I am trying lubuntu (12.10 beta, but tried 12.04, exactly same symptoms) When starting the install, the screen gets black, there 9is a lot of noise from the op0tical drive, and then the process dies! Any ideas? I tried aldo an live cd for debian testing, (3 september variant), but that stopped with a different problem, one of the installer programs returned with an error, so there is an error in a program on the cd. Linux mint debian edition, after some time the installer program freezes, (happened repeatedly, at various points in the process. Got tired) Any ideas? Can you boot into a small Linux on a Live CD, e.g. can you boot into http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=start ? Did you test Linux that aren't Debian based? E.g. Suse and/or Fedora? Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347264224.11998.46.camel@precise
Re: Getting 3D graphics support out of my ATI Rage XL video chip?
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 16:19 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: I will add this one: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting I can't seem to connect to the site right now. I get a 503 Service Unavailable. I'll try again later. It's up now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347263750.11998.43.camel@precise
Re: Something about netiquette Re: systemd
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 17:46 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: So or so I do not like to use the stuff that SaX tended to put into xorg.conf even after X.org has learned to configure itself most of the times. The times of inserting mode lines, in the case of SaX usually lots of modelines into xorg.conf by default are *long* over. But still use gtf or cvt if you still insist that you know it better. SaX has got a list with HorizSync and VertRefresh for monitors with German product names. It's not possible anymore to start with low frequencies and then simply to increase the settings. You need a frequency range, that fits to the monitor. Without SaX some of the monitors I got from bulk trash would have been stroboscopes. Regards, Ralf PS: Strange, that there's an interest to rewarm old threads. I'm not interested. However, regarding to Lennart and Co I recommend to read the Arch General Mailing List Archive. Yesterday somebody wrote there's nothing that works as seamlessly for me as PulseAudio. The funny thing is, that it didn't work for him, when he wrote this statement. A funny thread, with information about bug reports that are ignored etc., all the things that are reported on different Linux mailing lists. It's completely useless to continue discussions about pulseaudio and systemd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347263363.11998.42.camel@precise
Re: glibc version in Wheezy--any way to use 2.15?
On Sun 09 Sep 2012 at 21:23:16 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:50:36AM +0100, Brian wrote: Maybe first read the thread starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00466.html A thread in which someone says the only way to proceed is to file a bug against glibc, and another gives a way to reach the glibc team? And a third mentions a bug is already opened. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910082700.GW24280@desktop
Re: Installation
On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 13:55 +, Camaleón wrote: [snip] Back to home, your uncle sends a beautiful PowerPoint file by e-mail to your father and despite LibreOffice can open the file with no problem your father ears no sound. And here is where the real linux hist[eo]ry starts... at this point, unless your father either a) shows a real interest in solving the problem by himself or b) you or someone else is near to solve the problem, 99% of the time your fictional father will simply jump to Windows. +1 The less expensive computer isn't a computer with Linux installed instead of Windows, but a computer we mount ourself, after buying the individual parts. Unfortunately not everybody has got the ability or time to do it. For software it's similar, especially for Linux a newbie already could choose the wrong distro regarding to the needs. The imaginary father could run into serious issues, if he buys a printer and scanner ;). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347265589.11998.60.camel@precise
Re: Getting 3D graphics support out of my ATI Rage XL video chip?
On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 19:16 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 04:24:00PM +, Camaleón wrote: I wonder why people is so reluctant about installing packages from the outside when this involves upstream projects which are well-known and trustworthy :-? It adds another layer of unnecessary complexity. If you can do everything using packages from Debian mirrors, then there is only one place to report bugs, whereas if you come across a bug *AND* are using 3rd party packages, it only complicates bug triaging, and your bug will probably be closed as unable to reproduce. Note, some maintainers are not interested in bug reports if there are 3rd party packages involved. See vlc bug reports when deb.multimedia.org repository is enabled, for example. There are probably other reasons, which escape me at the moment. Third party repositories can provide libraries that are ok, when you install them, but someday those libraries might cause a dependency conflict, if you upgrade or install new software. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347264553.11998.51.camel@precise
Re: Installation
On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 14:43 +, Camaleón wrote: From memory, it ran itself. I really doubt it. There are cracked Windows versions that auto-install a repaired Windows, users only need knowledge about setting up the Internet connection. Weaver didn't say what version was bought. Some people perhaps sell cracked versions. ;) Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347266133.11998.67.camel@precise
Re: [OT] How to redirect input/output to another console?
On 9/8/12 4:58 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: [snip] She is also capable working in the shell (but still not very experienced with it), and so I am looking for a way, that - either she can see, what I am doing in my shell - I can see her shell - or best, we can both work in ONE shell [snip] How did it go for you? As a follow-up, here are the ways to do it with tmux, since it does not need SUID. A) If the same account is going to be sharing the session, then it's rather easy. In the first terminal, start tmux where 'shared' is the session name: tmux new-session -s shared Then in the second terminal: tmux attach-session -t shared B) For different users, you have to set the permissions on the tmux socket so that both users can read and write it. In the first terminal, start tmux where 'shared' is the session name and 'shareds' is the name of the socket: tmux -S /tmp/shareds new -s shared Then chgrp the socket (/tmp/shareds) to a group that both users share in common. In the second terminal attach using that socket and session tmux -S /tmp/shareds attach -t shared Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504da83b.2090...@gmail.com
Re: Installation
On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 19:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 09 sep 12, 15:05:44, Martin Steigerwald wrote: From what I read you can even install Debian to a fresh box by just hitting enter all the time. I never tried this, but you have even guided partitioning in the installer. So what? No you can't, the Do you want to format these partions? question defaults to No :p (probably to avoid someone hitting Enter before having a good look) Passwords. You even can't type any password you like to use ;) and simply hit enter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347266554.11998.70.camel@precise
Re: Custom SSH Authentication
Hii On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 10:04:51PM +0100, Alex Robbins wrote: I am looking to set up a custom SSH authentication system. I have a several RSA key pairs for my user, and I want to restrict ssh access based on which key pair is being used (not based on user name). On top of that, I want to restrict keys based on time of day. In short, a certain key can only be used at certain times, while another key works around the clock. Others have already responded to this part with good responses I am also hoping to take it a step further and say that the restricted key (the one that only works at certain times) also requires that a pass phrase be provided that changes based on an arbitrary algorithm, perhaps involving the time of day or date. Hm.. on the server-side, a passphrase cannot be enforced: The passphrase is used when decrypting the actual SSH (private) key, and the server side will have no reliable way of telling whether a passphrase was needed or not. -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910094736.GB11280@hawking
Re: LXC container shutdowns master host
Hi On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:38:03AM +0100, Andrew Kulikov wrote: Hi all, I am using LXC containers to run isolated Debian instances. When I enter the container (via lxc-console command) and issue shutdown command inside the container -- master host goes down. It happens if I issue shutdown -r, shutdown -h or just shutdown commands. It happens not every time -- in some cases behavior is correct: shutdown command doesn't affect master host and container just goes down. Have you got /dev bind-mounted to the container? If so, that could explain it, as they will end up sharing /dev/initctl - which controls init, and thus controls runlevels and shutdown... -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910093617.GA11280@hawking
Re: systemd
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 09:12:35PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Lennart would not be able to easily push random crap to the kernel upstream even if he tried to. It is a very different situation from userland. How so? Do you believe Redhat, Fedora etc. ship anything Lennart writes without any kind of review? Do you think he has carte blanche as part of his employment to do whatever he wants? No. And you are the one saying the above, not me. I must be misinterpreting what you are saying. I believed you meant that Lennart is able to push random crap into userland, whereas he is not capable of doing so for the Kernel. My counter-point was to indicate that the gateway to userland was the distributions, and Lennart's userland contributions don't reach the users without review from other human beings. Which part did I get wrong? I also happen to have zero tolerance to this kind of argument line. Never assume malovence when incompetence adequately explains the situation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910102302.GC26700@debian
Re: boot freeze when wifi is not in the same state than before hibernation
Le Ven 7 septembre 2012 16:11, Camaleón a écrit : On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:38:07 +0200, berenger.morel wrote: Le 06.09.2012 16:18, Camaleón a écrit : On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:13:55 +0200, berenger.morel wrote: When I change the state of wifi between a #pm-hibernate and a power on, my computer freeze. Is there is a way to avoid that freeze? If you have determined the problem happens when wireless driver thaws from hibernation, you can instruct your wifi card to do not hibernate. But that's a workaround, I would be more interested in solving the underlying problem :-) I am not sure that this will work, because if I do not enable/disable the wifi card between the start of hibernation process and the moment where everything is fully recovered, there are no problems. Interesting... and have you tried by toggling on/off the card by command line? Maybe what triggers the freeze after resuming is the physical switch for enabling/disabling the wifi. However, just a workaround could be interesting, but I do not know how to instruct the wifi card to not hibernate... Look at the man pm-suspend and more specifically at the configuration variables section (suspend_modules and/or hook_blacklist). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2cv9m$bte$6...@ger.gmane.org I do not really see how to use command-line before the moment I have wrote #pm-hibernate and the moment where my computer reboot? Except the physical switch, I have no way to control the wifi between those moments. I am looking for the suspend_modules options, but I am not really comfortable with modules... they are a part of linux I did not had enough time to dig, actually (as for all kernel stuff, video configuration, and sysVinit scripts, I have some fear to go too deep) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ff19e4f72f3c40223fa429aa106239f6.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Storage server
On 9/9/2012 3:25 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been following this thread from its beginning. My initial reading of OP's post was to marvel at the thought that so many things/tasks could be done with a single box in a single geek's cubicle. One consumer quad core AMD Linux box of today can do a whole lot more than what has been mentioned. I resolved to follow the thread that would surely follow closely. I think you, Stan, did OP an enormous service with your list of questions to be answered. I try to prevent other from shooting themselves in the foot when I see the loaded gun in their hand. This thread drifted onto the topic of XFS. I first learned of the existence of XFS from earlier post by you, and I have ever since been curious about it. But I am retired, and live at home in an environment where there is very little opportunity to make use of its features. You might be surprised. The AG design and xfs_fsr make it useful for home users. Perhaps you could take OP's original specification as a user wish list and sketch a design that would fulfill the wishlist and list how XFS would change or resolve issues that were/are troubling him. The OP's issues don't revolve around filesystem choice, but basic system administration concepts. In particular, the typical answers to questions about backup on this list involve rsync, or packages that depend on rsync, and on having a file system that uses inodes and supports hard links. rsync works with any filesystem, but some work better with rsync workloads. If one has concurrent rsync jobs running XFS is usually best. How would an XFS design handle de-duplication? Deduplication isn't an appropriate function of a filesystem. Or is de-duplication simply a bad idea in very large systems? That's simply a bad, very overly broad question. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504dc2fa.1080...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Storage server
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:59:35PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Could it be that you intend to provide hosted monitoring, backup and fileservices for an customer and while at it use the same machine for testing own stuff? If so: Don´t. Thats at least my advice. (In addition to what I wrote already.) -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 No, I'm not doing this for an customer, but for my boss. Someone with idea like the one you implied to me has no place in job like this, I'm sure you'll agree. Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910104403.ga9...@angelina.example.org
Re: Storage server
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:28:09PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Consider the consequenzes: If the server fails, you possibly wouldn´t know why cause the monitoring information wouldn´t be available anymore. So at least least Nagios / Icingo send out mails, in case these are not stored on the server as well, or let it relay the information to another Nagios / Icinga instance. Ideally, Icinga/Nagios/any server would be on HA system but that, unfortunately is not an option. But of course, Icinga can't monitor system it's on, so I plan to monitor it from my own machine. What data do you backup? From where does it come? Like I said, it's several dedicated, mostly web servers with users uploaded content on one of them (that part is expected to grow). None of them is in the same data center. I still think backup should be separate from other stuff. By design. Well for more fact based advice we´d require a lot more information on your current setup and what you want to achieve. I recommend to have a serious talk about acceptable downtimes and risks for the backup with the customer if you serve one or your boss if you work for one. I talked to my boss about it. Since this is backup server, downtime is acceptable to him. Regarding risks of data loss, isn't that the reason to implement RAID configuration? R stands for redundancy. If hard disk fails, it will be replaced and RAID will be rebuild with no data loss. If processor or something else fails, it will be replaced with expected downtime of course. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910104516.gb9...@angelina.example.org
Re: Storage server
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 03:42:12AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Stop here. Never use a production system as a test rig. Noted. You can build a complete brand new AMD dedicated test machine with parts from Newegg for $238 USD, sans KB/mouse/monitor, which you already have. Boot it up then run it headless, use a KVM switch, etc. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186189 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148262 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136771 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121118 If ~$250 stretches the wallet of your employer, it's time for a new job. Not all of us have that kind of luxury to be that picky about our job, but I get your point. Get yourself an Adaptec 8 port PCIe x8 RAID card kit for $250: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816103231 The Seagate ST3000DM001 is certified. It can't do RAID5 so you'll use RAID10, giving you 6TB of raw capacity, but much better write performance than RAID5. You can add 4 more of these drives, doubling capacity to 12TB. Comes with all cables, manuals, etc. Anyone who has tried to boot a server after the BIOS configured boot drive that is mdraid mirrored knows why $250 is far more than worth the money. A drive failure with a RAID card doesn't screw up your boot order. It just works. I'm gonna try to persuade my boss to buy one and in case he agrees and I'm not able to find that card here (and I haven't so far), can I have another one? What about something like this: http://ark.intel.com/products/35340/Intel-RAID-Controller-SASMF8I If not, how to find appropriate one? One with 8 supported devices, hardware RAID10? What else to look for? In next few months it is expected that size of files on dedicated servers will grow and it case that really happen I'd like to be able to expand this system. See above. And, of course, thanks for your time and valuable advices, Stan, I've read some of your previous posts on this list and know you're storage guru. You're welcome. And thank you. ;) Recommending the above Adaptec card is the best advice you'll get. It'll make your life much easier, with better performance to boot. -- Stan There is something that is not clear to me. You recommended hardware RAID as superior solution. I already knew that it is the case, but I thought that linux software RAID is also some solution. What would be drawbacks of using it? In case of one drive failure, it is possible that it won't boot or it just won't boot? In case I don't get that card, should I remove /boot from RAID1? Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910104739.gc9...@angelina.example.org
Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD
On Sun 09 Sep 2012 at 21:06:02 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: [Snip] I'm wondering if pulseaudio has something to do with this. Any help would be appreciated. I use the first method with cdtool. Let's get the obvious out of the way. You're in the cdrom and audio groups. The cable is connected correctly and securely. The speakers are connected correctly to the output of the sound card. Pulseaudio isn't on my system but isn't it a daemon? Wouldn't stopping it allow you to eliminate it as a cause? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910105536.GX24280@desktop
Re: glibc version in Wheezy--any way to use 2.15?
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 09:27:00AM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 09 Sep 2012 at 21:23:16 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:50:36AM +0100, Brian wrote: Maybe first read the thread starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00466.html A thread in which someone says the only way to proceed is to file a bug against glibc, and another gives a way to reach the glibc team? And a third mentions a bug is already opened. And the bug is apparently going to sit unfixed until after Wheezy releases. Leaving me still unable to get a semi-fresh glibc. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910110234.ga26...@panix.com
Re: Installation
Le Lun 10 septembre 2012 10:42, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 19:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 09 sep 12, 15:05:44, Martin Steigerwald wrote: From what I read you can even install Debian to a fresh box by just hitting enter all the time. I never tried this, but you have even guided partitioning in the installer. So what? No you can't, the Do you want to format these partions? question defaults to No :p (probably to avoid someone hitting Enter before having a good look) Passwords. You even can't type any password you like to use ;) and simply hit enter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347266554.11998.70.camel@precise The only way to address such an issue would be to add some text explaining what a password could be. At least, it does not seem hard to do? I also agree that the partitioning step can not be understandable to a newbie. About language, I wonder if it would be possible to auto-detect from the the Internet: many websites are able to guess more or less precisely. I do not know how they do that (maybe by knowing on which proxy the connection go?), but maybe it could also be used by an installer when it have network access. The problem is that there is in that case a need to have loaded network modules and to effectively have a connection. Do not misunderstand me, I do not want to say that it is hard for me to choose my language, just that if what you want is to reduce the number of question to have an install process which can do everything automated, such trick could help. PS: 1 have read the whole discussion, but I see no interest in guessing why linux is not as used by users as windows... Or, to me more honest, I only play with that kind of troll topic on a forum I am used to, hidden behind a pseudo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9b99eec7aab31880eac910dc2aad65c1.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Storage server
On 09/09/2012 02:37 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 9/7/2012 3:16 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: Whjat? Are you talking crash recovery boot time fsck? With any modern journaled FS log recovery is instantaneous. If you're talking about an actual structure check, XFS is pretty quick regardless of inode count as the check is done in parallel. I can't speak to EXTx as I don't use them. You should try an experiment and set up a terabyte ext3 and ext4 filesystem and then perform a few crash recovery reboots of the system. It will change your mind. :-) As I've never used EXT3/4 and thus have no opinion, it'd be a bit difficult to change my mind. That said, putting root on a 1TB filesystem is a brain dead move, regardless of FS flavor. A Linux server doesn't need more than 5GB of space for root. With /var, /home/ and /bigdata on other filesystems, crash recovery fsck should be quick. In my case, / is a 100GB filesystem, and 36GB of it is in use - even with both /var and /home on separate filesystems. All but about 3GB of that is under /root (almost all of it in the form of manual one-off backups), and could technically be stored elsewhere, but it made sense to put it there since root is the one who's going to be working with it. Yes, 100GB for / is way more than is probably necessary - but I've run up against a too-small / in the past (with a 10GB filesystem), even when not storing more than trivial amounts of data under /root, and I'd rather err on the side of too much than too little. Since I've got something like 7TB to play with in total, 100GB didn't seem like too much space to potentially waste, for the peace of mind of knowing I'd never run out of space on /. (And from the current use level, it may not have really been wasted.) -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504de563.10...@fastmail.fm
Re: Storage server
On 9/10/2012 5:47 AM, Veljko wrote: Not all of us have that kind of luxury to be that picky about our job, but I get your point. Small companies with really tight purse strings may seem fine this week, then suddenly fold next week, everyone loses their jobs in the process. Get yourself an Adaptec 8 port PCIe x8 RAID card kit for $250: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816103231 I'm gonna try to persuade my boss to buy one and in case he agrees and It's the least expensive real RAID card w/8 ports on the market, and a high quality one at that. LSI is best, Adaptec 2nd, then the rest. I'm not able to find that card here (and I haven't so far), can I have another one? That's hard to believe given the worldwide penetration Adaptec has, and the fact UPS/FedEx ship worldwide. What country are you in? What about something like this: http://ark.intel.com/products/35340/Intel-RAID-Controller-SASMF8I This Intel HBA with software assisted RAID is not a real RAID card. And it uses the LSI1068 chip so it probably doesn't support 3TB drives. In fact it does not, only 2TB: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/CS-032920.htm If not, how to find appropriate one? One with 8 supported devices, hardware RAID10? What else to look for? There are many cards with the features you need. I simply mentioned the least expensive one. Surely there is an international distributor in your region that carries it. If you're in Antarctica and you're limiting yourself to local suppliers, you're out of luck. Again, if you tell us where you are it would make assisting you easier. There is something that is not clear to me. You recommended hardware RAID as superior solution. I already knew that it is the case, but I thought that linux software RAID is also some solution. You mean same solution, yet? They are not equal. Far from it. What would be drawbacks of using it? In case of one drive failure, it is possible that it won't boot or it just won't boot? This depends entirely on the system BIOS, its limitations, and how you have device boot order configured. For it to work seamlessly you must manually configure it that way. And you must make sure any/every time you run lilo or grub that it targets both drives in the mirror pair, assuming you've installed lilo/grub in the MBR. Using a hardware RAID controller avoids all the nonsense above. You simply tell the system BIOS to boot from SCSI or external device, whatever the manual calls it. In case I don't get that card, should I remove /boot from RAID1? Post the output of ~$ cat /proc/mdstat I was under the impression you didn't have this system built and running yet. Apparently you do. Are the 4x 3TB drives the only drives in this system? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504de5ad.1070...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Storage server
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 06:49:45PM +0200, Veljko wrote: a) backup (backup server for several dedicated (mainly) web servers). It will contain incremental backups, so only first running will take a lot of time, rsnapshot Best avoid rsnapshot. Use (at least) rdiff-backup instead, which is nearly a drop-in replacement (but scales); or consider something like bup or obnam instead. and will run from cron every day. Files that will be added later are around 1-10 MB in size. I expect ~20 GB daily, but that number can grow. Some files fill be deleted, other will be added. If you want files to eventually be purged from backups avoid bup. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910130747.GG26700@debian
Re: Storage server
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:51:05PM +0200, lee wrote: Some people have argued it's even better to use software raid than a hardware raid controller because software raid doesn't depend on particular controller cards that can fail and can be difficult to replace. Besides that, software raid is a lot cheaper. You also get transferrable skills: you can use the same tooling on different systems. If you have a heterogeneous environment, you may have to learn a totally different set of HW RAID tools for various bits and pieces, which can be a pain. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910131115.GH26700@debian
Re: Storage server
On 09/10/2012 09:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 9/10/2012 5:47 AM, Veljko wrote: There is something that is not clear to me. You recommended hardware RAID as superior solution. I already knew that it is the case, but I thought that linux software RAID is also some solution. You mean same solution, yet? They are not equal. Far from it. What would be drawbacks of using it? In case of one drive failure, it is possible that it won't boot or it just won't boot? This depends entirely on the system BIOS, its limitations, and how you have device boot order configured. For it to work seamlessly you must manually configure it that way. And you must make sure any/every time you run lilo or grub that it targets both drives in the mirror pair, assuming you've installed lilo/grub in the MBR. Using a hardware RAID controller avoids all the nonsense above. You simply tell the system BIOS to boot from SCSI or external device, whatever the manual calls it. But from what I'm told, hardware RAID has the downside that it often relies on the exact model of RAID card; if the card dies, you'll need an exact duplicate in order to be able to mount the RAID. It also (at least in the integrated cases I've seen) works only with the ports provided by the card, not with any/all ports the system may have. Hardware RAID is simpler to configure, is easier to maintain, and is faster (or, at least, places less load on the CPU). My own experience seems to indicate that, all else being equal, software RAID is less hardware-dependent and more expandable. There are advantages and disadvantages to both options, including probably some I haven't listed. I personally prefer software RAID for almost all cases, simply due to my own personal evaulation of how much aggravation each of those advantages and disadvantages provides or avoids, but hardware RAID is certainly a legitimate choice for those who evaluate them differently. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504de8dc.4030...@fastmail.fm
Re: Installation
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:04:00 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Linux on desktop has gone a long way. And I think it is still on a journey. (...) This is usually a delusion: is not that windows or linux is more or less easy (now or then) but how many people in your circle can solve/cope a problem with your system. Nobody --- and that probably isn't going to change. Just run a simple experiment: knock at your neighbors' door and tell them you have a problem with your Internet Explorer; there's a high chance that someone can help. There's no chance they could help. Neither any useful documentation, nor the source code are available, so if it doesn't work, reboot, and if it still doesn't work, re-install. That's all the options you have. Now do the same but tell them you have a problem with Konqueror. They will close the door in our nose and say something like The guy on third floor is saying foolishness :-) They would ask what konqueror is and tell you to reboot or to re-install. That's not a significant difference. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wr0286pt@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Installation
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: On Sun, September 9, 2012 5:18 am, lee wrote: Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: But we are talking about Debian. Specifically partitioning/file system decision making during install. When else would you make such a decision if not before starting the installation? You can't install software without a place to put it. You are quoting out of context. No, I'm not, you didn't get my point. What I am saying there needs advisory material placed into the installation process so that newbies can make INFORMED decisions and People aren't going to spend the time it would take them to learn everything they need to make informed decisions about the options the installer gives them, no matter how much documentation you put into it. For more than a decade now you need a working computer to install an operating system on another one so that you can acquire information and additional software as needed. Why isn't that included in the installer? Just boot from the installation media and be presented with a working system and an installer, allowing you to switch between them. For those who don't want to or are unable to learn, have a button they can press to perform the installation, no matter what and no questions asked. However, those are the kind of people who better stay away from computers, which makes it doubtful how useful such a thing would be. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87oble84et@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: defoma and its font path
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. It isn't that simple. With what you can get from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, the fonts don't look too great and they look really awful in emacs-frames. Following the instructions on [1], placing stuff into ~/.fonts.conf.d like , | ?xml version=1.0? | match target=font | edit name=autohint mode=assign | boolfalse/bool | /edit | /match | | match target=font | edit name=rgba mode=assign | constrgb/const | /edit | /match | | match target=font | edit mode=assign name=lcdfilter | constlcddefault/const | /edit | /match | | match target=font | edit name=antialias mode=assign | booltrue/bool | /edit | /match ` ... and Emacs.FontBackend: xft into ~/.Xresources finally gives good results (on a tft monitor). There's probably even room for improvement (and it's up to what you prefer). I just haven't bothered with it any more yet because the difference is like night and day already. It's arguable whether there should be some more options given by fontconfig-config, including the ability to set user-specific defaults. --- On a side note, the tendency of splitting configurations into numerous little files really should be stopped. It only makes it harder and harder to find out what's going on :( The Debian pages I could find about this weren't very good. BTW, is that only me, or does it become increasingly difficult to keep a Debian system configured the way you want to because things become ever more cryptic and hidden? Or is that only due to hard- and software becoming more powerful and complex? [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k3w2825c@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Installation
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: My problem has been, for quite some number of years now, of not just considering my own requirements. I tend to think a little more (w)holistically, because if the context isn't advanced, any appearance of personal advancement is no more than illusion. So if you learn or invent something not a lot of other people care or think about, that isn't an advancement but only on illusion? I guess humans would be extinct since long if they were all thinking like that. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sjaq863l@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: glibc version in Wheezy--any way to use 2.15?
On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:00:33 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 05:12:35PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: Some non-packaged software, e.g. the BOINC client, requires a relatively recent version of glibc. There always be some package that requires some version for some library. This loop can only be broken when using rolling-alike linux distributions (or you have the patience to do the manual job without breaking a current system). Wheezy, the latest non-unstable version of Debian, is stuck at 2.13, released 1.5 years ago, and since it is frozen there won't be a new glibc available for some undetermined amount of time probably not less than six months. Sid also shares the same version since July, very recent. So aside from waiting for jessie to exist, what are my options? Your options for today? Self-compiling. Your options for the long-term? Sticking to Sid. Has anyone tried installing glibc from unstable in a Wheezy system? How usable is sid, these days? No, too dangerous to my taste. Never mind, I just checked and Sid is also running 2.13. Apparently I'd have to use ANOTHER DISTRO to get a glibc less than 18 months old. Really? Developers: really? The core of developers are not here. I gauess the only way to get an answer to the above rhetorical question would be to file a bug against glibc--that's how to reach the glibc team, right? Maybe there's a compelling reason for still using such old version of glibc but asking to people in charge is not going to do any bad. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2krae$77j$2...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Storage server
On 9/10/2012 8:11 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:51:05PM +0200, lee wrote: Some people have argued it's even better to use software raid than a hardware raid controller because software raid doesn't depend on particular controller cards that can fail and can be difficult to replace. Besides that, software raid is a lot cheaper. You also get transferrable skills: you can use the same tooling on different systems. If you have a heterogeneous environment, you may have to learn a totally different set of HW RAID tools for various bits and pieces, which can be a pain. mdraid also allows one to use the absolute cheapest, low ball hardware on the planet, and a vast swath of mdraid users do exactly that, assuming mdraid makes it more reliable--wrong! See the horror threads and read of the data loss in the last few years of the linux-raid mailing list for enlightenment. Linux RAID is great in the right hands when used for appropriate workloads. Too many people are using it who should not be, and giving it a bad rap due to no fault of the software. Hardware RAID has a minimum price of entry, both currency and knowledge, and forces one to use quality hardware and BCPs. Which is why you don't often see horror stories about hardware RAID eating TBs of filesystems and data. And when it does, it's usually because the vendor or user skimped on hardware somewhere in the stack. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504df15a.7010...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Storage server
Am Montag, 10. September 2012 schrieb Veljko: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:28:09PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Consider the consequenzes: If the server fails, you possibly wouldn´t know why cause the monitoring information wouldn´t be available anymore. So at least least Nagios / Icingo send out mails, in case these are not stored on the server as well, or let it relay the information to another Nagios / Icinga instance. Ideally, Icinga/Nagios/any server would be on HA system but that, unfortunately is not an option. But of course, Icinga can't monitor system it's on, so I plan to monitor it from my own machine. Hmmm, sounds like a workaround… but since it seems your resources are tightly limited… What data do you backup? From where does it come? Like I said, it's several dedicated, mostly web servers with users uploaded content on one of them (that part is expected to grow). None of them is in the same data center. Okay, so thats fine. I would still not be comfortable mixing production stuff with a backup server, but I think you could get away with it. But then you need a different backup server for the production stuff on the server and the files from the fileserver service that you plan to run on it, cause… I still think backup should be separate from other stuff. By design. Well for more fact based advice we´d require a lot more information on your current setup and what you want to achieve. I recommend to have a serious talk about acceptable downtimes and risks for the backup with the customer if you serve one or your boss if you work for one. I talked to my boss about it. Since this is backup server, downtime is acceptable to him. Regarding risks of data loss, isn't that the reason to implement RAID configuration? R stands for redundancy. If hard disk fails, it will be replaced and RAID will be rebuild with no data loss. If processor or something else fails, it will be replaced with expected downtime of course. … no again: RAID is not a backup. RAID is about maximizing performance and/or minimizing downtime. Its not a backup. And thats about it. If you or someone else or an application that goes bonkers delete data on the RAID by accident its gone. Immediately. If you delete data on a filesystem that is backuped elsewhere, its still there provided that you notice the data loss before the backup is rewritten and old versions of it are rotated away. See the difference? Ok, so now you can argue: But if I rsnapshot the production data on this server onto the same server I can still access old versions of it even when the original data is deleted by accident. Sure. Unless due to a hardware error like to many disks failing at once or a controller error or a fire or what not the RAID where the backup is stored is gone as well. This is why I won´t ever consider to carry the backup of this notebook around with the notebook itself. It just doesn´t make sense. Neither for a notebook, nor for a production server. Thats why I recommend an *offsite* backup for any data that you think is important for your company. With offsite meaning at least a different machine and a different set of harddisks. If that doesn´t go into the head of your boss I do not know what will. If you follow this, you need two boxes… But if you need two boxes, why just don´t do the following: 1) virtualization host 2) backup host to have a clear separation and an easier concept. Sure you could replicate the production data of the mixed production/dataserver to somewhere else, but going down this route it seems to be that you add workaround upon workaround upon workaround. I find it way easier if the backup server does backup (and nothing else!) and the production server does backup (and nothing else). And removing complexity removes possible sources of human errors as well. In case you go above route, I wouldn´t even feel to uncomfortable if you ran some test VMs on the virtualization host. But that depends on how critical the production services on it are. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209101602.54668.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Installation
On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:57:20 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Sun, September 9, 2012 7:43 am, Camaleón wrote: You mean you got your linux preinstalled within you computer? That would be nice but I'm afraid not the norm :-) No, I mean that I have always had to install/reinstall Windows, because the software has usually been as broken as the secondhand boxes. Ah, sure, reinstalling Windows is a usual task for non-techies. They tend to fill too much their systems with crappy software but Windows is not the culprit here, but users. Look, we always end in users :-) That's a different user case. But then, Windows installation is not that straight-forward because you may have to provide some basic drivers (for the storage controller) and manually partition the hard disk, choose the file system to use, etc. I don't remember anything like that, but I should qualify that with the info that I haven't dealt with Windows since XP, which is when I finally gave up on it. The last installation I did for a Windows system it was also a Windows XP box and for the task I needed to create a floopy disk with the corresponding AHCI drivers because the installer did not recognize the controller and gave a nice BSOD (I wonder what a non-techie user would have done in this case :-) ) But yes, installing Windows completely from scratch is not an easy task. From memory, it ran itself. I really doubt it. No, really. My only recollections are of that blue screen with a loading indicator running across it, which told me, after my first couple of installs, that I could go and make another cup of coffee. Maybe is that you were lucky and all the hardware and devices were a bit old and thus properly detected by the installer itself because Windows attached the needed drivers. But of course, this is not always the case and when problem arises (in Windows, I mean), it can be very difficult to debug. There were perhaps a couple of questions that didn't require reference to Einstein, but that was all. Not the questions the joe user is able to provide without help. Perhaps this has come along lately, as an inducement for Joe-User to go for the OEM variety, so they can cut back on their totally inefficien support staff. (...) OEM versions of Windows have been always there (in fact, most of the notebooks/netbooks only provide the OEM version). For desktop computers or servers that you can build by yourself, it's easier to get an empty disk and then buy a copy of the full (non-OEMized) Windows installation disk (well, buy enclosed in quotes because a high percent of Windows users do not pay a cent for their OS, you know...). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2ks4f$77j$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Storage server
On 9/10/2012 8:19 AM, The Wanderer wrote: But from what I'm told, hardware RAID has the downside that it often relies on the exact model of RAID card; if the card dies, you'll need an exact duplicate in order to be able to mount the RAID. You've been misinformed. And, given your admission that you have no personal experience with hardware RAID, and almost no knowledge of it, it seems odd you'd jump into a thread and tell everyone about its apparent limitations. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504df632.7000...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Storage server
Am Montag, 10. September 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:51:05PM +0200, lee wrote: Some people have argued it's even better to use software raid than a hardware raid controller because software raid doesn't depend on particular controller cards that can fail and can be difficult to replace. Besides that, software raid is a lot cheaper. You also get transferrable skills: you can use the same tooling on different systems. If you have a heterogeneous environment, you may have to learn a totally different set of HW RAID tools for various bits and pieces, which can be a pain. I think you got a point here. While the hardware of some nice LSI / Adaptec controllers appears to be excellent for me and the battery backed up cache can help performance a lot if you configure mount options correctly, the software side regarding administration tools in my eyes is pure and utter crap. I usually installed 3-4 different packages from http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/DebianPackages in order to just find out which tool it is this time. (And thats already from a developer who provides packages, I won´t go into downloading tools from the manufacturers website and installing them manually. Been there, done that.) And of course each one of this goes by different parameters. And then do Nagios/Icinga monitoring with this: You basically have to write or install a different check for each different type of hardware raid controller. This is so utter nonsense. I really do think this strongly calls for some standardization. I´d love to see a standard protocol on how to talk to hardware raid controlllers and then some open source tool for it. Also for setting up the raid (from a live linux or what). And do not get me started about the hardware RAID controller BIOS setups. Usabilitywise they tend to be so beyond anything sane that I do not even want to talk about it. Cause thats IMHO one of the biggest advantages of software RAID. You have mdadm and be done with it. Sure it has a flexibility that may lure beginners into creating setups that are dangerous. But if you stay by best practices I think its pretty reliable. Benefits of a standard + open source tool would be plenty: 1) One frontend to the controller, no need to develop and maintain a dozen of different tools. Granted a good (!) BIOS setup may still be nice to be able to set something up without booting a Linux Live USB stick. 2) Lower learning curve. 3) Uniform monitoring. Actually its astonishing! You get pro hardware, but the software based admin tool is from the last century. Thats at least what I saw. If there are controllers by now which come with software support that can be called decent I´d like to now. I never saw an Areca controller, maybe they have better software. Otherwise I agree to Stan: Avoid dmraid. Either hardware RAID *or* software RAID. Avoid anything in between ;). Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201209101618.43965.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Storage server
On 09/10/2012 10:16 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 9/10/2012 8:19 AM, The Wanderer wrote: But from what I'm told, hardware RAID has the downside that it often relies on the exact model of RAID card; if the card dies, you'll need an exact duplicate in order to be able to mount the RAID. You've been misinformed. Then, apparently, so has everyone else other than you whom I recall having ever seen give advice on the subject. The oldest discussion of RAID I remember reading is specifically about the problems people had with finding a matching RAID controller when their existing one died. I've seen the same basic discussion repeated over and over. I've seen this repeatedly cited as the strongest reason to consider software RAID. If the distinction is between a RAID controller and a RAID card, then okay, fair enough; my bad. But I was under the impression that in most cases the controller is integrated with the card, and so getting a matching controller would necessitate getting a matching card. And, given your admission that you have no personal experience with hardware RAID, and almost no knowledge of it, it seems odd you'd jump into a thread and tell everyone about its apparent limitations. It could be considered a bit odd, yes. It's simply that I don't like to see only one side of an argument presented, and it seemed to me - whether accurately or not - that you were A: leaving out known downsides of hardware RAID (as I'd seen them described repeatedly) and B: not presenting the advantages of software RAID. Since I do use software RAID, and chose it over hardware RAID after conscious consideration based on what explanations I could find of both, it seemed worth speaking up. -- The Wanderer Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any side of it. Every time you let somebody set a limit they start moving it. - LiveJournal user antonia_tiger -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504df8e6.7000...@fastmail.fm
Re: Getting 3D graphics support out of my ATI Rage XL video chip?
On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 16:44:35 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 10:27:50 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:19:17 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: I said the computer was new TO ME. I never said it was NEW. This is a server machine literally thrown away by a business. But it is now the most capable machine that I own. No need to SHOUT. Text-only e-mails have their limitations. I know (and you know) that. I'm using Mutt and Pan newsreader and both only support text based formats. And we both know what uppercase means in this context (e-mail), right? I can't use other emphasis techniques such as italics and bold face, like one can in a word processor. Therefore, I use upper case for emphasis. There are other techniques that people use, such as enclosing the word or phrase in asterisks or underscores or other special characters, such as *to me*. You can emphasize a term or concept by using a different wording or any other of the mentioned _symbols_. You're plenty of resources. But this may interfere with word matching. You can also use your language skills then. English is quite rich in this regard. Therefore, I use upper case to emphasize a word or phrase. It's not shouting. Now if I were to write a whole sentence or a whole paragraph in upper case, that would be shouting. The use of uppercases in the above paragraphs can be misleading, first because of their format (were you shouting or emphasizing?) and secondly because I don't know what was your goal (you wanted to note what exactly?). As you should know, GNOME 3 does not require a 3D capable VGA but gnome- shell. You can still use GNOME 3 with the classic desktop; that you don't want it is a different issue. That said I wouldn't rely that gnome- shell can any good with a VGA chipset which is that old. I may not be using your terminology, but when I booted the machine after installation for the first time, I got this message: GNOME 3 Failed to Load Unfortunately GNOME 3 failed to start properly and started in the fallback mode. This most likely means your system (graphics hardware or driver) is not capable of delivering the full GNOME 3 experience. Yes, that's the sort of message you get when gnome-shell cannot start your GNOME 3 session. Being GNOME, the message is targeted to non- techical users which I don't think is your case. I seem to recall from posts to the list which were made around the time that GNOME 3 came out that this condition was the result of lack of 3D support in the video driver. The term fallback mode is used in the message. The term gnome-shell is not. It's not GNOME 3 what needs a 3D capable VGA card/chipset but gnome- shell. People is/was incorrectly mixing/using the two terms as if they were synonyms while they're not: GNOME 3 and gnome-shell are different things. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2ktld$77j$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: What Version To Install On iMac?
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 02:11:33AM -0400, Doug wrote: On 09/09/2012 01:40 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 10:56:45AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 07/09/12 08:21 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 02:04:04AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Interesting statement. Squeeze (6) is still STABLE. After Wheezy (7) is moved from TESTING to STABLE, Squeeze will be fully supported for at least 1 year. Thus deprecated soon is not accurate, unless your definition of soon means 12 months or more. Perhaps his definition of deprecated doesn't mean supported… The usual definition is disapproved. I don't think disapproved is the correct word in that sense. Artha: deprecate: express strong disapproval of; deplore You can disapprove of the behaviour, but the behaviour is disapproved, is not the same as the behaviour is deprecated disapproved is a transitive verb deprecated is an adjective. Sorry about being pedantic. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910142857.GA14806@tal
Re: boot freeze when wifi is not in the same state than before hibernation
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:26:13 +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Ven 7 septembre 2012 16:11, Camaleón a écrit : (...) I am not sure that this will work, because if I do not enable/disable the wifi card between the start of hibernation process and the moment where everything is fully recovered, there are no problems. Interesting... and have you tried by toggling on/off the card by command line? Maybe what triggers the freeze after resuming is the physical switch for enabling/disabling the wifi. However, just a workaround could be interesting, but I do not know how to instruct the wifi card to not hibernate... Look at the man pm-suspend and more specifically at the configuration variables section (suspend_modules and/or hook_blacklist). I do not really see how to use command-line before the moment I have wrote #pm-hibernate and the moment where my computer reboot? Except the physical switch, I have no way to control the wifi between those moments. Is the computer not accesible via ssh, I mean, from another system? You can connect an ethernet cable and try to access from there. Once in, you can run the commands to engage the wireless card (by means of rfkill unblock wifi). I am looking for the suspend_modules options, but I am not really comfortable with modules... they are a part of linux I did not had enough time to dig, actually (as for all kernel stuff, video configuration, and sysVinit scripts, I have some fear to go too deep) You don't have to do anything special other that telling pm-suspend to unload the wireless kernel module when going to sleep :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2kugk$77j$5...@ger.gmane.org
Re: boot freeze when wifi is not in the same state than before hibernation
Le Lun 10 septembre 2012 16:46, Camaleón a écrit : On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:26:13 +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Ven 7 septembre 2012 16:11, Camaleón a écrit : (...) I am not sure that this will work, because if I do not enable/disable the wifi card between the start of hibernation process and the moment where everything is fully recovered, there are no problems. Interesting... and have you tried by toggling on/off the card by command line? Maybe what triggers the freeze after resuming is the physical switch for enabling/disabling the wifi. However, just a workaround could be interesting, but I do not know how to instruct the wifi card to not hibernate... Look at the man pm-suspend and more specifically at the configuration variables section (suspend_modules and/or hook_blacklist). I do not really see how to use command-line before the moment I have wrote #pm-hibernate and the moment where my computer reboot? Except the physical switch, I have no way to control the wifi between those moments. Is the computer not accesible via ssh, I mean, from another system? You can connect an ethernet cable and try to access from there. Once in, you can run the commands to engage the wireless card (by means of rfkill unblock wifi). I am looking for the suspend_modules options, but I am not really comfortable with modules... they are a part of linux I did not had enough time to dig, actually (as for all kernel stuff, video configuration, and sysVinit scripts, I have some fear to go too deep) You don't have to do anything special other that telling pm-suspend to unload the wireless kernel module when going to sleep :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2kugk$77j$5...@ger.gmane.org I do not think it is possible to access a computer which is in hibernation state? I use pm-hibernate, not pm-suspend, so the computer is really shutdown. More interesting is the fact that when I connect to that computer, I more often use the wi-fi itself ;) I do not have enough ethernet cables at home so... For the module thing, the only information I have found in the man is the name of the variable (which you gave me anyway), nothing about file syntax (and, of course, no sample is present) so I think I'll dig when I'll be at home. I'll need some time to have my brain upgrade correctly :) Sometimes I do not like man pages... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2cd6792b1f96941b593f34664c413801.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: defoma and its font path
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:59:11 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: TrueType fonts can be simply copied/pasted into one of the available font path folders and that should be all. It isn't that simple. It is for the majority of applications. With what you can get from dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, the fonts don't look too great and they look really awful in emacs-frames. (...) This can be a corner case that needs from manual intervention. For instance, I also had to create a ~/.fonts.conf so Firefox does a proper font replacement but this kind of tweaks are not the norm and TrueType fonts are detected by the system and applications without a hitch. It's arguable whether there should be some more options given by fontconfig-config, including the ability to set user-specific defaults. It's always difficult to document the special cases :-) --- On a side note, the tendency of splitting configurations into numerous little files really should be stopped. It only makes it harder and harder to find out what's going on :( Now it's called being pluggable, we have to live with that (yes, it's quite annoying). The Debian pages I could find about this weren't very good. I find the wiki page really good. Of course, it cannot detail all of the possible configurations. BTW, is that only me, or does it become increasingly difficult to keep a Debian system configured the way you want to because things become ever more cryptic and hidden? It's not just you but I find is something generalized nowadays in the Linux ecosystem not juts Debian. Or is that only due to hard- and software becoming more powerful and complex? This can also affect to harden things, yes. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2kvfi$77j$6...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Installation
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:20:30 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:04:00 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Linux on desktop has gone a long way. And I think it is still on a journey. (...) This is usually a delusion: is not that windows or linux is more or less easy (now or then) but how many people in your circle can solve/cope a problem with your system. Nobody --- and that probably isn't going to change. For Windows, yes, it's plenty of people. For Linux you can spend the whole day finding them that you'll find... one in miles away? :-) Just run a simple experiment: knock at your neighbors' door and tell them you have a problem with your Internet Explorer; there's a high chance that someone can help. There's no chance they could help. Neither any useful documentation, nor the source code are available, so if it doesn't work, reboot, and if it still doesn't work, re-install. That's all the options you have. I don't know what planet you are from, but here in the Earth, a planet of the Milky Way galaxy (just to help for localization purposes though this theory is being discussed as some think it could come from Sagittarius :- P) you don't even need something like a manual or documentation for solving a Windows related issue. Even your little brother (aged 6) can do it :-) Remember: Windows is a toy, MacOS is a dungeon and Linux is an attitude. Now do the same but tell them you have a problem with Konqueror. They will close the door in our nose and say something like The guy on third floor is saying foolishness :-) They would ask what konqueror is and tell you to reboot or to re-install. That's not a significant difference. Ha! People can't even spell konqueror correctly, do you expect they will know what the hell is that? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2l07f$77j$7...@ger.gmane.org
Re: boot freeze when wifi is not in the same state than before hibernation
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:00:28 +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Lun 10 septembre 2012 16:46, Camaleón a écrit : I do not really see how to use command-line before the moment I have wrote #pm-hibernate and the moment where my computer reboot? Except the physical switch, I have no way to control the wifi between those moments. Is the computer not accesible via ssh, I mean, from another system? You can connect an ethernet cable and try to access from there. Once in, you can run the commands to engage the wireless card (by means of rfkill unblock wifi). I am looking for the suspend_modules options, but I am not really comfortable with modules... they are a part of linux I did not had enough time to dig, actually (as for all kernel stuff, video configuration, and sysVinit scripts, I have some fear to go too deep) You don't have to do anything special other that telling pm-suspend to unload the wireless kernel module when going to sleep :-) I do not think it is possible to access a computer which is in hibernation state? I use pm-hibernate, not pm-suspend, so the computer is really shutdown. But you already exited form hibernation, right? That's what triggers the problem (freeze) with the wireless adapter. On the other hand, this way you can test if the whole system is frozen (kernel soft lock) or is just the X server that fails to restore. More interesting is the fact that when I connect to that computer, I more often use the wi-fi itself ;) I do not have enough ethernet cables at home so... It's just for testing purposes, nothing you will have to do on every day basis :-) For the module thing, the only information I have found in the man is the name of the variable (which you gave me anyway), nothing about file syntax (and, of course, no sample is present) so I think I'll dig when I'll be at home. I'll need some time to have my brain upgrade correctly :) Sometimes I do not like man pages... There's not much magic behind it: you have a variable that you need to fill with the name of the kernel module you want to be unloaded before suspending the system, no more and no less. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2l0u5$77j$8...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Installation
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 02:23:10PM -0700, Weaver wrote: But this, again, is not what is being advocated. I see nothing wrong with a small educational process being incorporated into the install procedure. There is the installation-guide¹. It wouldn't be a good idea to put screes of explanation in the installer, would you want to read it all every time you installed a system? I could see the possibility of becoming enter or space happy. The average end/home user would, in all likelihood, not even be interested in LVM initially and for, probably, some considerable time after that. Agreed. But the person who wants to install Debian is not the average end/home user. Now, Ubuntu, that is more like the average end/home user. ¹http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=installation-guide-i386;dist=unstable -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910151948.GB14806@tal
Re: boot freeze when wifi is not in the same state than before hibernation
Le Lun 10 septembre 2012 17:28, Camaleón a écrit : On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:00:28 +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Lun 10 septembre 2012 16:46, Camaleón a écrit : I do not really see how to use command-line before the moment I have wrote #pm-hibernate and the moment where my computer reboot? Except the physical switch, I have no way to control the wifi between those moments. Is the computer not accesible via ssh, I mean, from another system? You can connect an ethernet cable and try to access from there. Once in, you can run the commands to engage the wireless card (by means of rfkill unblock wifi). I am looking for the suspend_modules options, but I am not really comfortable with modules... they are a part of linux I did not had enough time to dig, actually (as for all kernel stuff, video configuration, and sysVinit scripts, I have some fear to go too deep) You don't have to do anything special other that telling pm-suspend to unload the wireless kernel module when going to sleep :-) I do not think it is possible to access a computer which is in hibernation state? I use pm-hibernate, not pm-suspend, so the computer is really shutdown. But you already exited form hibernation, right? That's what triggers the problem (freeze) with the wireless adapter. On the other hand, this way you can test if the whole system is frozen (kernel soft lock) or is just the X server that fails to restore. More interesting is the fact that when I connect to that computer, I more often use the wi-fi itself ;) I do not have enough ethernet cables at home so... It's just for testing purposes, nothing you will have to do on every day basis :-) For the module thing, the only information I have found in the man is the name of the variable (which you gave me anyway), nothing about file syntax (and, of course, no sample is present) so I think I'll dig when I'll be at home. I'll need some time to have my brain upgrade correctly :) Sometimes I do not like man pages... There's not much magic behind it: you have a variable that you need to fill with the name of the kernel module you want to be unloaded before suspending the system, no more and no less. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2l0u5$77j$8...@ger.gmane.org The problem does not come from X I think, because nothing works. And I do not have any use for fooDM (gdm, kdm, xdm, damndm... are of no use, a script is far better in my opinion) But I'll try that to know a little more from where come the freeze, it is a nice idea. About the var, I'll try that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/090d858bb9d884c77e6552409c3bca5e.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Storage server
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:53:33PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: For rsnapshot in my experience you need monitoring cause if it fails it just complains to its log file and even just puts the rsync error code without the actual error message there last I checked. Let monitoring check whether daily.0 is not older than 24 hours. Didn't know that. Thanks, I'll monitor it if I opt for rsnapshot. Did you consider putting those webservers into some bigger virtualization host and then let them use NFS exports for central storage provided by some server(s) that are freed by this? You may even free up a dedicated machine for monitoring and another one for the backup ;). No, they have to remain where they are, on physical remote locations. Dedicated servers that will be backed up are ~500GB in size. How many are they? 5 of them and all 500GB total. b) monitoring (Icinga or Zabbix) of dedicated servers. Then who monitors the backup? It ideally should be a different server than this multi-purpose-do-everything-and-feed-the-dog machine your are talking about. Like I said, they should be on HA system, but I don't get to work in ideally conditions. If my boss can live with it, so can I. I told him of possible consequences and that's all I can do. c) file sharing for employees (mainly small text files). I don't expect this to be resource hog. Another completely different workload. Where do you intend the backup for these files? I obviously wouldn´t put it on the same machine as the fileserver. See how mixing lots of stuff into one machine makes things complicated? I shouldn't mention this one. It's not workload at all. It's few MB (~10) that will be downloaded periodically by other employees. It doesn't have to be backed up. As for complicating, I root for clean and simple, but if my job requires to struggle with complicated things, I'll just have to do it. Not my choice anyway. 4 GiB RAM of RAM for a virtualization host that also does backup and fileservices? You aren´t kidding me, are you? If using KVM I at least suggest to activate kernel same page merging. Fast storage also depends on cache memory, which the machine will lack if you fill it with virtual machines. And yes as explained already yet another different workload. Even this ThinkPad T520 has more RAM, 8 GiB, and I just occasionaly fire up some virtual machines. Yes, I use KVM. I never intended to fill it with virtual machines. Like I already explained, I intended to periodically use virtual machine with 300MB of RAM. That can't be amount of memory to suffocate host machine with 4GB. And as I said, RAM is cheap and can be added if 4GB is not enough. Well extension of RAID needs some thinking ahead. That's why I'm here. ;) While you can just add disks to add capacity – not redundancy – into an existing RAID the risks of a non recoverable failure of the RAID increases. How do you intend to grow the RAID? And to what maximum size? At least you do not intend to use RAID-5 or something like that. See http://baarf.com At my previous place of employment I worked with IBM storage that was attached with optic cables via Brocade 4GB switch to load balanced system. Storage provided shared block storage with GFS on it. Performance sucked. And this was production mail server. I learned hard way, no GFS ever again. Don't know if GFS2 is any better. Same goes with RAID5. Had a Qnap nas server with RAID5. It was backup server. It got things done, but performance was terrible. No data loss, but this just sucked. Moral of the story for me was: don't use RAID5. So the customer is willing to use dedicated servers for different web sites and other services, but more than one machine for the workloads you described above is too much? Sorry, I do not get this. Not that hard to comprehend. My boss sees backup as necessary evil. And only after I pushed it. Before I got here, there was no backup. None whatsover. I was baffled. And I had situation few days on my arrival, that one of databases got corrupted. Managed to find some old backup and with data we already had saved, restored database. But that situation is not acceptable. I had to push things and to propose some cheap solution, so I can have something I can work with. Serious and honest consulting here IMHO includes exposing the risks of such a setup in an absolutely clear to comprehend way to those managers. Already did that. Are these managers willing to probably loose the backup and face a several day downtime of fileserver, backup and monitoring services in case of a failure of this desktop class machine? They didn't have any backup, monitoring and that file sharing is done now using someones windows share dir. This would be a huge step forward for them. If so, if I would be in the position to say no, I would just say no thanks, search yourself a different idiot for setting up such an
Re: Storage server
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 02:07:47PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 06:49:45PM +0200, Veljko wrote: a) backup (backup server for several dedicated (mainly) web servers). It will contain incremental backups, so only first running will take a lot of time, rsnapshot Best avoid rsnapshot. Use (at least) rdiff-backup instead, which is nearly a drop-in replacement (but scales); or consider something like bup or obnam instead. Any particular reason for avoiding rsnapshot? What are advantages of using rdiff-backup or obnam? Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910153821.ge9...@angelina.example.org
Re: Storage server
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 04:02:54PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Like I said, it's several dedicated, mostly web servers with users uploaded content on one of them (that part is expected to grow). None of them is in the same data center. Okay, so thats fine. I would still not be comfortable mixing production stuff with a backup server, but I think you could get away with it. But then you need a different backup server for the production stuff on the server and the files from the fileserver service that you plan to run on it, cause… Those files that will be on file sharing service are not critical. They are disposable and therefore doesn't have to be backed up. … no again: RAID is not a backup. RAID is about maximizing performance and/or minimizing downtime. Its not a backup. And thats about it. I've never thought that RAID is backup. It's not. Server I'm trying to set up is backup. It's not perfect solution, but is better then nothing. Yes, in a perfect world I would set another one in case something happened to this one, but that's the road I can't go. So if two disks in same mirror pair dies simultaneously I'll lose all data. I'm aware of that. RAID, however, provides certain level of redundancy. If one disk dies, I didn't lose data. I will rebuild it. It all comes to what if. What if you lose production, backup server and backup of your backup server? Well, that is not very likely, but still can happen. I won't have that backup of backup, but will be muck more happier then now, having no backup at all. If you follow this, you need two boxes… But if you need two boxes, why just don´t do the following: 1) virtualization host 2) backup host to have a clear separation and an easier concept. Sure you could replicate the production data of the mixed production/dataserver to somewhere else, but going down this route it seems to be that you add workaround upon workaround upon workaround. I find it way easier if the backup server does backup (and nothing else!) and the production server does backup (and nothing else). And removing complexity removes possible sources of human errors as well. In case you go above route, I wouldn´t even feel to uncomfortable if you ran some test VMs on the virtualization host. But that depends on how critical the production services on it are. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 That does make sense, having two different machines for two types of work, but I don't have them right now. But when my boss recovers from this recent spending, I'll try to acquire another one. Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910153838.gf9...@angelina.example.org
Re: Storage server
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I'm not able to find that card here (and I haven't so far), can I have another one? That's hard to believe given the worldwide penetration Adaptec has, and the fact UPS/FedEx ship worldwide. What country are you in? I'm in Serbia. I tried several web sites of more known dealers, but it's possible that they don't have everything listed there on their web sites. If my boss approve buying RAID card, I'll call them to see if they have it or if they can order one. If not, how to find appropriate one? One with 8 supported devices, hardware RAID10? What else to look for? You mean same solution, yet? They are not equal. Far from it. I meant some as in it's something. I'm aware that they are not equal. In case I don't get that card, should I remove /boot from RAID1? Post the output of ~$ cat /proc/mdstat I was under the impression you didn't have this system built and running yet. Apparently you do. Are the 4x 3TB drives the only drives in this system? -- Stan I didn't till 30 minutes ago. :) I just installed it for exercise if nothing else. Had a problem with booting. Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing 'grub-intall /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error. After creating 1MB partition at the beginning of every drive with reserved for boot bios it worked (AHCI in BIOS). Anyhow, this is output of cat /proc/mdstat: Personalities : [raid1] [raid10] md1 : active raid10 sda3[0] sdd2[3] sdc2[2] sdb3[1] 5859288064 blocks super 1.2 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] [] [==..] resync = 32.1% (1881658368/5859288064) finish=325.2min speed=203828K/sec md0 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1] 488128 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU] unused devices: none I'm not sure what is being copied on freshly installed system. Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910154128.gg9...@angelina.example.org
Re: udev rules for wheezy
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:26:48 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
i'm trying to get udev rules for my usb phone, and they are ...
SUBSYSTEM==usb, ACTION==add, SYSFS{idVendor}==0fce:2138,
SYSFS{idProduct}==*, MODE=0777
AND
SUBSYSTEM==usb, ACTION==add, SYSFS{idVendor}==0fce,
SYSFS{idProduct}==*, MODE=0777
but neither work.
lsusb shows .. Bus 001 Device 034: ID 0fce:2138 Sony Ericsson Mobile
Communications AB Xperia X10 mini pro (Debug)
I have the feeling that you are having some sort of problem with your
Xperia device file permissions, right? :-)
Anyway, those perms look too wide, don't you think?
Where am i going wrong please? the rules are saved to
/etc/udev/rules.d/99-android.rules and also to
/lib/udev/rules.d/99-android.rules
Ah, udev rules, what a trial/test endless game. Check if this helps:
http://unforgivendevelopment.com/2011/05/20/udev-headaches-on-debian-testing-wheezy/
Although it's a year old page, things could have changed by now ;-P
Greetings,
--
Camaleón
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Re: Installation
For more than a decade now you need a working computer to install an operating system on another one so that you can acquire information and additional software as needed. Why isn't that included in the installer? Just boot from the installation media and be presented with a working system and an installer, allowing you to switch between them. that's called Debian Live : http://live.debian.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/504e0b48.4010...@asterion.fr
Re: boot freeze when wifi is not in the same state than before hibernation
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:32:50 +0200, Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Lun 10 septembre 2012 17:28, Camaleón a écrit : (...) I do not think it is possible to access a computer which is in hibernation state? I use pm-hibernate, not pm-suspend, so the computer is really shutdown. But you already exited form hibernation, right? That's what triggers the problem (freeze) with the wireless adapter. On the other hand, this way you can test if the whole system is frozen (kernel soft lock) or is just the X server that fails to restore. More interesting is the fact that when I connect to that computer, I more often use the wi-fi itself ;) I do not have enough ethernet cables at home so... It's just for testing purposes, nothing you will have to do on every day basis :-) For the module thing, the only information I have found in the man is the name of the variable (which you gave me anyway), nothing about file syntax (and, of course, no sample is present) so I think I'll dig when I'll be at home. I'll need some time to have my brain upgrade correctly :) Sometimes I do not like man pages... There's not much magic behind it: you have a variable that you need to fill with the name of the kernel module you want to be unloaded before suspending the system, no more and no less. The problem does not come from X I think, because nothing works. You can't tell unless you try to login from a different system (or using a serial cable but this will be even hard to get :-P). And I do not have any use for fooDM (gdm, kdm, xdm, damndm... are of no use, a script is far better in my opinion) At a first glance I think the usage (or not) of a login manager is not relevant for this test. But I'll try that to know a little more from where come the freeze, it is a nice idea. About the var, I'll try that. Okay, tell us how it went. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2l207$77j$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: glibc version in Wheezy--any way to use 2.15?
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:50:36AM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 09 Sep 2012 at 19:00:33 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: Never mind, I just checked and Sid is also running 2.13. Apparently I'd have to use ANOTHER DISTRO to get a glibc less than 18 months old. Really? Developers: really? I gauess the only way to get an answer to the above rhetorical question would be to file a bug against glibc--that's how to reach the glibc team, right? Maybe first read the thread starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00466.html A thread in which someone says the only way to proceed is to file a bug against glibc, and another gives a way to reach the glibc team? Apparently even Sid won't be updated with anything newer until after Wheezy releases, and not soon after that. So what do people think of Arch Linux as my next years-worth of Linux? Not a fan of the Arch user culture at all. Also not a fan of their crazy packaging system, to the extent that I have been exposed to it. I can't speak for others, but if I really needed a newer glibc that bad, I wold probably add Ubuntu to my sources.list, and make a hybrid. For glibc, you might end up pulling in a lot of packages... Later, when Debian gets it you can roll back into pure Debian. You have to be very comfortable with resolving crazy apt conflicts to pull this off though, which is why I can't necessarily recommend it for others. But I can't imagine needing a new glibc that badly. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8ebfvatzrtn47ruxuoaamdpzc0f+tf5tcbgrkcj-r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Storage server
Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: Linux RAID is great in the right hands when used for appropriate workloads. Too many people are using it who should not be, and giving it a bad rap due to no fault of the software. Hm, interesting, so what would you say we should use it for and for what not? I'm using it to survive the failure of a disk, and so far, it's been working fine for that. Hardware RAID has a minimum price of entry, both currency and knowledge, The currency is the problem. Knowledge applies the same to software raid. Decent hardware raid cards are expensive, and hardware changes over time, so you might find yourself with something that doesn't really have the performance you'd wish for before much time passes. And what if the card fails? -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sjap7slx@yun.yagibdah.de
Compiling libtiff support in Kakadu - not finding header file?
Strangely, we're not getting many answers on this from the support (creator) of Kakadu, but maybe anyone with some code porting savvy can help. This is Linux x86_64, building in the Kakadu apps part of the build tree. It builds fine with default Makefile. When libtiff4-dev is installed and we attempt to build its support by including this in the Makefile: DEFINES = -DKDU_INCLUDE_TIFF the compile does not succeed. The end of the make looks like this: g++ -I../../coresys/common -I../args -I../image -I../compressed_io -I../support -I../client_server -O2 -DNDEBUG -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-deprecated -m64 -mssse3 -DKDU_X86_INTRINSICS -D KDU_INCLUDE_TIFF -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 ../kdu_compress/kdu_compress.cpp \ args.o image_in.o kdu_tiff.o palette.o jp2.o jpx.o \ roi_sources.o libkdu_v70R.so \ -o ../../bin/Linux-x86-64-gcc/kdu_compress -lm -lpthread image_in.o: In function `tif_in::tif_in(char const*, kdu_image_dims, int, kdu_rgb8_palette*, long long, bool)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x4a3e): undefined reference to `TIFFOpen' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x4b28): undefined reference to `TIFFScanlineSize' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::tif_in(char const*, kdu_image_dims, int, kdu_rgb8_palette*, long long, bool)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x6efe): undefined reference to `TIFFOpen' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x6fe8): undefined reference to `TIFFScanlineSize' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::get(int, kdu_line_buf, int)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9795): undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9a50): undefined reference to `TIFFReadTile' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9a6c): undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9e26): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0xa026): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0xa224): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [kdu_compress] Error 1 The Kakadu programmer says it looks like it is not including the Libtiff header. How to troubleshoot the source of the problem? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ca+akb6gqkbdxc7xyydegbdnjseg9hkme3syp5jubtcrgw7d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installation
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:10 +0200, lee wrote: For those who don't want to or are unable to learn, have a button they can press to perform the installation, no matter what and no questions asked. However, those are the kind of people who better stay away from computers, which makes it doubtful how useful such a thing would be. Different users, different needs. A DVB-T receiver is a computer, a DAT recorder is a computer, perhaps your car is a computer, at least all this things use computers. Some people know how to use a DVB-T receiver, a DAT recorder and they can drive a car. Nobody expect them to know details about the receiver, the recorder and the car. IMO Linux for too many people is the Sangraal and they enjoy to diss people who have no knowledge about computers. A computer is a tool. The tool has to fit to the user needs. The more a user needs to learn about things that have nothing to do with the usage, the less good an OS is for averaged users. Linux isn't a good OS for averaged users. It won't harm to have empathy. FWIW my favorite distro is Arch Linux, it fit best to some of my needs and of course isn't good for averaged users. Distros as Debian, Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora IMO could keep their installers, but the used language should become understandable for averaged computer users. There's no need to use terminology that much. Partition, host etc. also could be explained in layman's terms. For the advanced user there still should be an option. The biggest problem IMO is to install basics. For an advanced user Arch, Gentoo etc. is very good, because the user has to install what is needed. Arch for example doesn't install X by default. For Debian, Suse etc. an installer already installs tons of software, that most users never ever will need. It's ok, since this one day should enable automatically installation. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347294760.1267.31.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: LXC container shutdowns master host
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:38:03 +0400, Andrew Kulikov wrote: I am using LXC containers to run isolated Debian instances. When I enter the container (via lxc-console command) and issue shutdown command inside the container -- master host goes down. It happens if I issue shutdown -r, shutdown -h or just shutdown commands. It happens not every time -- in some cases behavior is correct: shutdown command doesn't affect master host and container just goes down. Where can be a problem? Thanks in advance! Mmm... I'm not sure if this is going to help you somehow you but I recall (because I had to traslate the corresponding package) there were two methods for handling the LXC containers shutdown process, let me copy/ paste what the exact message says: Linux Containers can be shutdown in different ways. The stop method terminates all processes inside the container. The halt method initiates a shutdown, which takes longer and can have problems with containers that don't shutdown themselves properly. This message comes from debconf template that comes up when you first configure/setup the package but I don't know what it means (maybe there's a specific command you have to run for stopping the containers or it simply defines the command that needs to be executed when the host shutdowns... can't say for sure, sorry, it was just something I remembered becasue I found it curious). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2l53u$77j$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Compiling libtiff support in Kakadu - not finding header file?
On 2012-09-10 18:26 +0200, francis picabia wrote: Strangely, we're not getting many answers on this from the support (creator) of Kakadu, but maybe anyone with some code porting savvy can help. This is Linux x86_64, building in the Kakadu apps part of the build tree. It builds fine with default Makefile. When libtiff4-dev is installed and we attempt to build its support by including this in the Makefile: DEFINES = -DKDU_INCLUDE_TIFF the compile does not succeed. The end of the make looks like this: g++ -I../../coresys/common -I../args -I../image -I../compressed_io -I../support -I../client_server -O2 -DNDEBUG -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-deprecated -m64 -mssse3 -DKDU_X86_INTRINSICS -D KDU_INCLUDE_TIFF -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 ../kdu_compress/kdu_compress.cpp \ args.o image_in.o kdu_tiff.o palette.o jp2.o jpx.o \ roi_sources.o libkdu_v70R.so \ -o ../../bin/Linux-x86-64-gcc/kdu_compress -lm -lpthread image_in.o: In function `tif_in::tif_in(char const*, kdu_image_dims, int, kdu_rgb8_palette*, long long, bool)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x4a3e): undefined reference to `TIFFOpen' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x4b28): undefined reference to `TIFFScanlineSize' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::tif_in(char const*, kdu_image_dims, int, kdu_rgb8_palette*, long long, bool)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x6efe): undefined reference to `TIFFOpen' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x6fe8): undefined reference to `TIFFScanlineSize' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::get(int, kdu_line_buf, int)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9795): undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9a50): undefined reference to `TIFFReadTile' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9a6c): undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9e26): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0xa026): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0xa224): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [kdu_compress] Error 1 The Kakadu programmer says it looks like it is not including the Libtiff header. He seems to be wrong. Those undefined reference errors mean that the linker cannot find the library which contains the symbols. How to troubleshoot the source of the problem? I don't know anything about Kakadu, but you'll likely have to add -ltiff to the compiler commandline above somehow. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mx0x6cqp@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Storage server
On Lu, 10 sep 12, 17:38:39, Veljko wrote: I've never thought that RAID is backup. It's not. Server I'm trying to set up is backup. It's not perfect solution, but is better then nothing. Yes, in a perfect world I would set another one in case something happened to this one, but that's the road I can't go. So if two disks in same mirror pair dies simultaneously I'll lose all data. I'm aware of that. RAID, however, provides certain level of redundancy. If one disk dies, I didn't lose data. I will rebuild it. It all comes to what if. What if you lose production, backup server and backup of your backup server? Well, that is not very likely, but still can happen. I won't have that backup of backup, but will be muck more happier then now, having no backup at all. If you ignore the references to the proprietary backup software this is a very interesting reading http://www.taobackup.com/ Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installation
On Lu, 10 sep 12, 14:05:05, Morel Bérenger wrote: About language, I wonder if it would be possible to auto-detect from the the Internet: many websites are able to guess more or less precisely. I do not know how they do that (maybe by knowing on which proxy the connection go?), but maybe it could also be used by an installer when it have network access. All sites I know except debian.org use geo location. The results can be wrong or even offensive to some persons. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installation
On Lu, 10 sep 12, 14:06:07, Camaleón wrote: disk (well, buy enclosed in quotes because a high percent of Windows users do not pay a cent for their OS, you know...). An Microsoft has no real incentive to force them to, because people would just look for alternatives. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
I'd rather stay private
Hello! Only know I found a probable bug in iceweasel. I visited my google mail account before. Now, to send a mail I wanted to revisit the site. Typing the address in, the automatic function or history showed the adress with the number of mails in the inbox. I guess this shouldn't be. Kind regards, Heinz Müller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAP-61q2YK=uEZGb8v+iVrGrn2sfariVDVjWSf0xE=kvebp8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ntpd crashes.
El 2012-09-09 a las 22:20 +0200, Mauro escribió: (resending to the list) On 9 September 2012 19:52, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 13:31:16 +0200, Mauro wrote: Hello I've two server with debian squeeze and in cluster with heartbeat+pacemaker. They run ntpd for time synchronize. I've noticed some ntpd crashes in random days and random hour. Does restarting the service works? Yes. Mmm, so it dies gracefully :-? Logs don't say why. Can you suggest what can I do to know the reasons for the crash. Thank you. Mmmm... there's a bug report¹ to request ntpd debugging flag is turned on (which I think is a must) but in the meantime I guess you will have to recompile the package from Debian sources and toggle this parameter on if you want to get an insightful trace. Yes I know and to me it is a very strange choice to have ntp debian package without debugging flag. Apparently, the option was removed because of an old bug, but I agree it should be enabled as soon as possible. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120910171254.ga7...@stt008.linux.site
Re: glibc version in Wheezy--any way to use 2.15?
On Lu, 10 sep 12, 09:06:56, Kelly Clowers wrote: I can't speak for others, but if I really needed a newer glibc that bad, I wold probably add Ubuntu to my sources.list, and make a hybrid. For glibc, you might end up pulling in a lot of packages... Later, when Debian gets it you can roll back into pure Debian. You have to be very comfortable with resolving crazy apt conflicts to pull this off though, which is why I can't necessarily recommend it for others. But I can't imagine needing a new glibc that badly. glibc from Ubuntu?!?! I got the shivers just by reading your mail :p Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: I'd rather stay private
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:10:17 +, zurfer wrote: Only know I found a probable bug in iceweasel. I visited my google mail account before. Now, to send a mail I wanted to revisit the site. Typing the address in, the automatic function or history showed the adress with the number of mails in the inbox. I guess this shouldn't be. You mean it happens when you write down the recipient e-mail address in the To: field? Although it's months since I've not used their webmail interface, what you describe sounds to me like one of the many crazy Gmail's features :-) Anyway, check if the same happens when using a different browser (Chrome, Opera, Epiphany/Web, Konqueror...). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k2l8p2$77j$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: I'd rather stay private
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 17:10 +, zurfer wrote: Hello! Only know I found a probable bug in iceweasel. I visited my google mail account before. Now, to send a mail I wanted to revisit the site. Typing the address in, the automatic function or history showed the adress with the number of mails in the inbox. I guess this shouldn't be. Kind regards, Heinz Müller To get rid of it: Tools Clear Recent History... Choose a time range and then clear the Browsing Download History for this time range And next time use: Tools Start Private Browsing FWIW, I suspect you need to be logged in an account, so nobody but you could use this links, assumed you didn't store the password. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347299262.1267.44.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: I'd rather stay private
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 19:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 17:10 +, zurfer wrote: Hello! Only know I found a probable bug in iceweasel. I visited my google mail account before. Now, to send a mail I wanted to revisit the site. Typing the address in, the automatic function or history showed the adress with the number of mails in the inbox. I guess this shouldn't be. Kind regards, Heinz Müller To get rid of it: Tools Clear Recent History... Choose a time range and then clear the Browsing Download History for this time range And next time use: Tools Start Private Browsing FWIW, I suspect you need to be logged in an account, so nobody but you could use this links, assumed you didn't store the password. Regards, Ralf PS: If you want the address without extensions, when starting typing, but you get tons of the address + extensions, then bookmark the address and use the bookmark instead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1347299538.1267.47.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: Compiling libtiff support in Kakadu - not finding header file?
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-09-10 18:26 +0200, francis picabia wrote: Strangely, we're not getting many answers on this from the support (creator) of Kakadu, but maybe anyone with some code porting savvy can help. This is Linux x86_64, building in the Kakadu apps part of the build tree. It builds fine with default Makefile. When libtiff4-dev is installed and we attempt to build its support by including this in the Makefile: DEFINES = -DKDU_INCLUDE_TIFF the compile does not succeed. The end of the make looks like this: g++ -I../../coresys/common -I../args -I../image -I../compressed_io -I../support -I../client_server -O2 -DNDEBUG -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-deprecated -m64 -mssse3 -DKDU_X86_INTRINSICS -D KDU_INCLUDE_TIFF -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 ../kdu_compress/kdu_compress.cpp \ args.o image_in.o kdu_tiff.o palette.o jp2.o jpx.o \ roi_sources.o libkdu_v70R.so \ -o ../../bin/Linux-x86-64-gcc/kdu_compress -lm -lpthread image_in.o: In function `tif_in::tif_in(char const*, kdu_image_dims, int, kdu_rgb8_palette*, long long, bool)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x4a3e): undefined reference to `TIFFOpen' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x4b28): undefined reference to `TIFFScanlineSize' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::tif_in(char const*, kdu_image_dims, int, kdu_rgb8_palette*, long long, bool)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x6efe): undefined reference to `TIFFOpen' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x6fe8): undefined reference to `TIFFScanlineSize' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::get(int, kdu_line_buf, int)': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9795): undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9a50): undefined reference to `TIFFReadTile' image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9a6c): undefined reference to `TIFFReadScanline' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0x9e26): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0xa026): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' image_in.o: In function `tif_in::~tif_in()': image_in.cpp:(.text+0xa224): undefined reference to `TIFFClose' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [kdu_compress] Error 1 The Kakadu programmer says it looks like it is not including the Libtiff header. He seems to be wrong. Those undefined reference errors mean that the linker cannot find the library which contains the symbols. How to troubleshoot the source of the problem? I don't know anything about Kakadu, but you'll likely have to add -ltiff to the compiler commandline above somehow. Cheers, Sven Thanks very much. That was it. We added -ltiff to LIBS = part of the Makefile and it built. Never saw it mentioned in any of the Internet exchanges about building this package. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ca+akb6e6p+quhr014mwzgtydwy7lsxuq+gofihaza047uu1...@mail.gmail.com
