Re: [HS] Variables serveur Web php.ini

2012-09-12 Thread Gabriel Euzet
Le 11 septembre 2012 18:26, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

 mais tout le monde n'a pas le temps de faire des dizaines
 de lignes de code avec tous les essais ensuite pour FireFox,
 alors que cette option de non effacement des données existe ailleurs.


Salut André,

Je trouve que les gens qui te répondent sont compétents et essaient de te
faire part de leur expérience en développement web. Il n'y a aucune
polémique, nous partageons notre expérience avec toi et t'expliquons qu'il
faut partir du principe d'un navigateur qui en fait le moins. D'ailleurs,
si tu jète un oeil aux frameworks PHP, ils se chargent de préremplir les
champs, ce n'est probablement pas pour rien ? Je ne connais pas les
utilisateurs ciblés par ton application, mais si c'est tout le monde,
n'oublie pas que Firefox fait plus du tiers du marché des navigateurs.

Cdt
Gab'


anarchique copier-collé avec Icedove Wheezy

2012-09-12 Thread maderios

Bonjour
Depuis quelques temps, le copier-coller n'est pas évident avec Icedove.
On positionne le curseur et pan, la sélection se retrouve à coté de 
manière anarchique ou carrément sur la ligne du dessous. Autre 
étrangeté, parfois, quand on veut coller, le dialogue ne laisse pas 
d'autre choix que paste as quotation (désolé, tout est en anglais chez 
moi).
Rien concernant copy/paste dans la liste de bugs. Je me dis donc c'est 
peut-être un bug de bibliothèque ou autre. Je n'ai pas ce souci là avec 
d'autres applications.

Qu'en pensez vous ?

Cordialement


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Re: anarchique copier-collé avec Icedove Wheezy

2012-09-12 Thread Gaël
Salut,

Je ne suis pas certain que le mot anarchique soit celui qui correspond.



Mais désolé, je n'utilise pas Icedove.


Gaël

Le 12 septembre 2012 18:30, maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour
 Depuis quelques temps, le copier-coller n'est pas évident avec Icedove.
 On positionne le curseur et pan, la sélection se retrouve à coté de
 manière anarchique ou carrément sur la ligne du dessous. Autre étrangeté,
 parfois, quand on veut coller, le dialogue ne laisse pas d'autre choix que
 paste as quotation (désolé, tout est en anglais chez moi).
 Rien concernant copy/paste dans la liste de bugs. Je me dis donc c'est
 peut-être un bug de bibliothèque ou autre. Je n'ai pas ce souci là avec
 d'autres applications.
 Qu'en pensez vous ?

 Cordialement


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XFCE et mes clefs USB

2012-09-12 Thread Nicolas FRANCOIS
Salut.

Je suis passé à XFCE pour des raisons de fluidité et de
fonctionnalités, il me convient parfaitement, mais j'ai un soucis :
lorsque je branche une clef USB, une fenêtre Nautilus et deux fenêtre
Thunar s'ouvrent systématiquement. Et seule la fenêtre Nautilus permet
de démonter la clef, l'option Démonter le volume des fenêtres Thunar
me répondant La clef a du être montée à la main, impossible de la
démonter.

Qu'est-ce que j'ai encore fait comme bêtise ???

Merci d'avance.

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Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread Antonio

El 11/09/2012 19:31, jEsuSdA 8) escribió:
Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico? El 07/09/12 18:23, 
Altair Linux escribió:

Buenas,

vaya por delante que no pongo en duda, sino que pregunto. No conozco este tema.



Hola Altair,

Lo siento si llego tarde al hilo y si repito algunas de las cosas que 
se han dicho ya sobre el asunto, pero creo que, por una vez y sin que 
sirva de precedente, puedo aportar algo al tema. :D


Verás, yo me dedico desde hace ya más de 15 años al diseño web, años 
antes ya me dedicaba al diseño gráfico y un buen día decidí migrar por 
completo a GNU/Linux. Así que la cuestión es que llevo unos 13 años 
diseñando webs sólo desde GNU/Linux (sin usar Windows, ni teniendo 
dual bot, ni nada de eso, es decir, usando sólo GNU/Linux).




Siempre he oido que en temas de diseño para webs y graficos, lo mejor
son los mac y que los mejores programas son los de adobe. Dreamweaver,
flash, fireworks, etc.


Sobre esto yo siempre he tenido una opinión que pocas veces la gente 
comparte. :D


Yo soy de los que piensan que el hábito no hace al monje, y que lo 
realmente importante a la hora de diseñar o hacer webs o cualquier 
otra cosa es lo que uno sabe hacer y cómo lo hace.


Hay gente que hace auténticas virguerías con vim o emacs y 
muchíiisimos fantasmas que usan dreamweaver sobre mac y no tienen 
ni idea de lo que hacen.


En mi experiencia, he encontrado mcha gente que usa dreamweaver 
para hacer webs y que no usa ni un 1% de las capacidades de ese 
programa.  Esta misma gente es capaz de quejarse de otros programas de 
edición web porque les resultan insuficientes, cuando tampoco serían 
capaces de usar ni el 1% del potencial de esos programas que critican. 
En mi opinión, la mayoría de la gente con la que hables del tema 
estará en este grupo. No digo que Dreamweaver sea un mal producto, que 
no lo es, sino que no es necesario para diseñar ni desarrollar webs en 
absoluto.


También hay una vertiente puramente de marketing en todo esto. Nos 
guste o no, para la gente que no conoce bien los entresijos de 
cualquier profesión compleja (como muchas relacionadas con la 
informática u otras), les resulta sencillo asociar ciertas marcas o 
programas a ciertas tareas. De modo que si eres diseñador gráfico, la 
gente dará por supuesto que dominas Photoshop. Si eres animador 3D, 
muchos supondrán que dominas Maya o 3DS, si eres diseñador web, muchos 
te asociarán con Dreamweaver... y tristemente si eres diseñador de lo 
que sea, molarás más si usas mac... si llevas gafas de pasta, 
zapatillas Converse y subes fotos a Instagram cada 10 minutos... eres 
ya un dios! jajajaja


También conozco a muchos diseñadores gráficos que dominan Photoshop 
y trabajan con un monitor sin calibrar, pero echan pestes de Gimp 
porque no es profesional. Yo ya es que ni me molesto en rebatirles... ;)


Disculpadme si insisto en este tema demasiado, pero es un tema que me 
toca sufrir continuamente y con el que me siento tristemente 
identificado. Yo valoro la profesionalidad de alguien por su trabajo, 
no por las herramientas que usa... pero lamentablemente la mayoría de 
la gente no.




Otro de los puntos calientes que he leído en algunas respuestas y 
que suelen reflejar opiniones comunes es el de la gente que te dirá 
que para hacer webs tienes que hacerlas ASÍ y punto.


Mucho cuidado con ese tipo de comentarios porque a veces son erróneos 
por pura ignorancia y otras veces son erróneos sin maldad, pero porque 
cada cual tiene su modus operandi para perpetrar sus webs.


No trabaja igual un diseñador gráfico, un desarrollador front-end, un 
desarrollador back-end, alguien que se especializa en CMS's, otro que 
se especializa en arquitectura de contenidos... El desarrollo de una 
web completa involucra muchas partes, todas importantes y 
especializadas; como es imposible ser un especialista en todo, lo 
normal es que uno sepa de todo y se especialice en varios campos (o en 
uno) y eso, quieras que no, condiciona la forma de trabajar.



Por hablarte de mi caso concreto, yo me especialicé en diseño web, 
maquetación, accesibilidad y estándares; trabajo, además, con varios 
CMS. Aunque tengo conocimientos de programación, no suelo dedicarme al 
desarrollo, porque reconozco que nunca llegaría a ser tan bueno en ese 
campo como lo soy en los otros y, por supuesto, nunca llegaría a ser 
tan bueno como los colegas que llevan los mismos años que yo 
trabajando, pero dedicados al desarrollo web.


Cuando hay que hacer algo muy muy específico, siempre recurro a 
compañeros especializados en desarrollo web, que son los que son 
capaces de personalizar un CMS o convertir unas plantillas HTML 
estáticas en una web totalmente dinámica y funcional, agregándoles la 
programación debida.


Una cosa que aprendí hace tiempo es que cuando uno se especializa 
mucho en algo, tratar de hacer tareas que están muy lejos de tu 
especialización implica mucho esfuerzo, trabajo, problemas y 
aprendizaje esfuerzo, 

Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread Altair Linux
¿Aburrirme?, en absoluto, un mensaje sumamente interesante.

Como he dejado claro al principio de todo, yo no tengo ni idea de
estos temas. Pero sí me interesa cuando se trata de que personas que
se dedican al diseño web y al diseño gráfico (cada uno en una cosa)
deciden usar Linux y no Windows.

Me gustaría ver webs que has hecho con el sistema que pones, es una
forma de ver en la práctica como queda todo.

Por la parte de tener un windows para comprobar la web desde internet
explorer yo soy de opinión más radical y pienso que, si se detecta
que el usuario usa internet explorer, pues se le manda a una pantalla
diciendole que use firefox (por ejemplo) diciendo que es gratuito y
más seguro. Dado que Microsoft tiende a ignorar los estándares en sus
productos, pues habra que ignorar esos productos en medida de lo
posible.

El día 11 de septiembre de 2012 19:31, jEsuSdA 8) lis...@jesusda.com escribió:
 El 07/09/12 18:23, Altair Linux escribió:

 Buenas,

 vaya por delante que no pongo en duda, sino que pregunto. No conozco este
 tema.


 Hola Altair,

 Lo siento si llego tarde al hilo y si repito algunas de las cosas que se han
 dicho ya sobre el asunto, pero creo que, por una vez y sin que sirva de
 precedente, puedo aportar algo al tema. :D

 Verás, yo me dedico desde hace ya más de 15 años al diseño web, años antes
 ya me dedicaba al diseño gráfico y un buen día decidí migrar por completo a
 GNU/Linux. Así que la cuestión es que llevo unos 13 años diseñando webs sólo
 desde GNU/Linux (sin usar Windows, ni teniendo dual bot, ni nada de eso, es
 decir, usando sólo GNU/Linux).



 Siempre he oido que en temas de diseño para webs y graficos, lo mejor
 son los mac y que los mejores programas son los de adobe. Dreamweaver,
 flash, fireworks, etc.


 Sobre esto yo siempre he tenido una opinión que pocas veces la gente
 comparte. :D

 Yo soy de los que piensan que el hábito no hace al monje, y que lo realmente
 importante a la hora de diseñar o hacer webs o cualquier otra cosa es lo que
 uno sabe hacer y cómo lo hace.

 Hay gente que hace auténticas virguerías con vim o emacs y muchíiisimos
 fantasmas que usan dreamweaver sobre mac y no tienen ni idea de lo que
 hacen.

 En mi experiencia, he encontrado mcha gente que usa dreamweaver para
 hacer webs y que no usa ni un 1% de las capacidades de ese programa.  Esta
 misma gente es capaz de quejarse de otros programas de edición web porque
 les resultan insuficientes, cuando tampoco serían capaces de usar ni el 1%
 del potencial de esos programas que critican. En mi opinión, la mayoría de
 la gente con la que hables del tema estará en este grupo. No digo que
 Dreamweaver sea un mal producto, que no lo es, sino que no es necesario para
 diseñar ni desarrollar webs en absoluto.

 También hay una vertiente puramente de marketing en todo esto. Nos guste o
 no, para la gente que no conoce bien los entresijos de cualquier profesión
 compleja (como muchas relacionadas con la informática u otras), les resulta
 sencillo asociar ciertas marcas o programas a ciertas tareas. De modo que
 si eres diseñador gráfico, la gente dará por supuesto que dominas Photoshop.
 Si eres animador 3D, muchos supondrán que dominas Maya o 3DS, si eres
 diseñador web, muchos te asociarán con Dreamweaver... y tristemente si eres
 diseñador de lo que sea, molarás más si usas mac... si llevas gafas de
 pasta, zapatillas Converse y subes fotos a Instagram cada 10 minutos... eres
 ya un dios! jajajaja

 También conozco a muchos diseñadores gráficos que dominan Photoshop y
 trabajan con un monitor sin calibrar, pero echan pestes de Gimp porque no es
 profesional. Yo ya es que ni me molesto en rebatirles... ;)

 Disculpadme si insisto en este tema demasiado, pero es un tema que me toca
 sufrir continuamente y con el que me siento tristemente identificado. Yo
 valoro la profesionalidad de alguien por su trabajo, no por las herramientas
 que usa... pero lamentablemente la mayoría de la gente no.



 Otro de los puntos calientes que he leído en algunas respuestas y que
 suelen reflejar opiniones comunes es el de la gente que te dirá que para
 hacer webs tienes que hacerlas ASÍ y punto.

 Mucho cuidado con ese tipo de comentarios porque a veces son erróneos por
 pura ignorancia y otras veces son erróneos sin maldad, pero porque cada cual
 tiene su modus operandi para perpetrar sus webs.

 No trabaja igual un diseñador gráfico, un desarrollador front-end, un
 desarrollador back-end, alguien que se especializa en CMS's, otro que se
 especializa en arquitectura de contenidos... El desarrollo de una web
 completa involucra muchas partes, todas importantes y especializadas; como
 es imposible ser un especialista en todo, lo normal es que uno sepa de todo
 y se especialice en varios campos (o en uno) y eso, quieras que no,
 condiciona la forma de trabajar.


 Por hablarte de mi caso concreto, yo me especialicé en diseño web,
 maquetación, accesibilidad y estándares; trabajo, además, con varios CMS.
 Aunque 

Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread Marc Olive
On Wednesday 12 September 2012 12:30:28 Altair Linux wrote:

 Por la parte de tener un windows para comprobar la web desde internet
 explorer 

Conoceis http://browsershots.org/ ?
Te saca capturas de la web tal como se ve en multitud de navegadores.


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del modem USB para RAS

2012-09-12 Thread luis
Ahora bien me dices Alberto que haga esto lsusb y gracias Camalion y 
dame tu opinion a ver que crees


esto es lo que me retorna con lsusb
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0ace:1602 ZyDAS ZyXEL Omni FaxModem 56

Me dices:
El dispositivo será entonces /dev/ttyUSBx, donde x es el número de bus 
sin los ceros de la izquierda.


Lo modifiqué quedando asi:
S0:234:respawn:/sbin/mgetty /dev/ttyUSB2

Mi pregunta es: de donde sale el 234 ??? es asi por default ??
o con los cambios que hices ya están correctos todos?

Encontré esto también /dev/ttyACM0

Lo siento por las dudas pero todo esto es primera vez que lo veo.
Gracias por ayudarme a todos ok


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Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread Alberto Luaces
Antonio writes:

 El 11/09/2012 19:31, jEsuSdA 8) escribió:
 Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico? El 07/09/12 18:23,
 Altair Linux escribió:

[...]

 De verdad, de verdad, de verdad, que espero no haberte aburrido y
 que esta información te sea útil a ti y a cuantos quieren emprender
 el magnífico camino de hacer páginas web usando GNU/Linux y software
 libre. ;)

 Un saludo cordial.
 jEsuSdA 8)
 Jesus, muy completo, gente como tú es la que hace a esta lista
 inmensamente grande. Gracias.

¡Coincido!  Ha sido un episodio «enciclopédico».

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Re: del modem USB para RAS

2012-09-12 Thread julio
El mié, 12-09-2012 a las 07:18 -0400, l...@ida.cu escribió:
 Lo modifiqué quedando asi:
 S0:234:respawn:/sbin/mgetty /dev/ttyUSB2
 
 Mi pregunta es: de donde sale el 234 ??? es asi por default ?? 

No, esos números indican los runlevel del sistema en los que se lanzan
esos procesos. Está explicado en la página man de inittab

$man inittab

...

The  runlevels field may contain multiple characters for different run‐
levels.  For example, 123 specifies that the process should be  started
in  runlevels 1, 2, and 3.  The runlevels for ondemand entries may con‐
tain an A, B, or C.  The runlevels field of sysinit, boot, and bootwait
entries are ignored.

...

Un saludo

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Re: del modem USB para RAS

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:18:00 -0400, luis escribió:

(luis, no abras nuevos hilos para continuar con el mismo tema)

 Ahora bien me dices Alberto que haga esto lsusb y gracias Camalion y
 dame tu opinion a ver que crees
 
 esto es lo que me retorna con lsusb
 Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0ace:1602 ZyDAS ZyXEL Omni FaxModem 56
 
 Me dices:
 El dispositivo será entonces /dev/ttyUSBx, donde x es el número de bus
 sin los ceros de la izquierda.
 
 Lo modifiqué quedando asi:
 S0:234:respawn:/sbin/mgetty /dev/ttyUSB2

Compáralo con la salida del dmesg, mejor.

 Mi pregunta es: de donde sale el 234 ??? es asi por default ?? o con los
 cambios que hices ya están correctos todos?

man inittab te explica de dónde vienen esos números.

 Encontré esto también /dev/ttyACM0

Eso es un módem como el que suelen llevar incorporado los teléfonos 
móviles... ¿dónde lo has encontrado?

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Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:31:25 +0200, jEsuSdA 8) escribió:

(...)

 De verdad, de verdad, de verdad, que espero no haberte aburrido y que
 esta información te sea útil a ti y a cuantos quieren emprender el
 magnífico camino de hacer páginas web usando GNU/Linux y software libre.
 ;)

Muy completo el comentario pero mejor sin html ;-)

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Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:30:28 +0200, Altair Linux escribió:

(hay que recortar las respuestas...)

 Por la parte de tener un windows para comprobar la web desde internet
 explorer yo soy de opinión más radical y pienso que, si se detecta que
 el usuario usa internet explorer, pues se le manda a una pantalla
 diciendole que use firefox (por ejemplo) diciendo que es gratuito y más
 seguro. Dado que Microsoft tiende a ignorar los estándares en sus
 productos, pues habra que ignorar esos productos en medida de lo
 posible.

Con esa actitud sólo vas a conseguir que la gente no entre a página y no 
porque no quiera sino porque no pueda.

Me parece bien que te preocupes de los estándares web (ese es el camino a 
seguir) pero una cosa es generar código normalizado y validado y otra muy 
distinta es restringir artificialmente las opciones de los usuarios. 

Lo que sugieres es como volver a una de las etapas más oscuras y 
desastrosas del desarrollo web lo cual es una locura :-/

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SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Josué Marrero Bermúdez

Saludos Colegas

En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling, por el 
simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es tan seguro.


En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero entre ellos 
existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar en la PC remota un 
squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros ejemplos solo hablan de hace 
el tunel y a navegar.


Mi duda es la siguiente.

Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los ISP que 
dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin tener que configurar 
nada...


Aclaro que vivo en Cuba..y ni tengo ni idea de como funcionan sus servicios 
de Internet en otros paises...aqui lo comun es siempre un proxy..que 
registre TODO lo que haces..y deniega hasta el agua.



Saludos

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Re: ¿Linux, para diseño web y diseño grafico?

2012-09-12 Thread César Cordero
Los mejores para diseño, edición y creación de imágenes en Linux son Gimp e
Inkscape. Gimp es el equivalente a Fireworks y Photoshop, e Inkscape es el
equivalente a CorelDraw, entre los de Adobe.

Para creación de Páginas Web está Bluefish para Gnome y KDevelop para KDE,
equivalentes para Dreamweaver. Antes hubo uno, Quanta Plus, que por mucho
fue el mejor editor de páginas Web para Linux, lo malo fue que no siguieron
manteniendo en el proyecto original y fue sacado de los repositorios de
Debian desde el release de Squeeze. Pero Bluefish ha sido un muy buen
reemplazo.

El 7 de septiembre de 2012 11:53, Altair Linux altairli...@gmail.comescribió:

 Buenas,

 vaya por delante que no pongo en duda, sino que pregunto. No conozco este
 tema.

 Siempre he oido que en temas de diseño para webs y graficos, lo mejor
 son los mac y que los mejores programas son los de adobe. Dreamweaver,
 flash, fireworks, etc.

 La idea es hacer webs como esta http://www.nominalia.com/ usando
 Linux, no necesariamente Debian en caso de haber otra distribución más
 adecuada, veo mucha referencia a Ubuntu con este tema.

 Estoy leyendo por la web que los programas recomendados serían:

 http://inkscape.org
 http://www.gimp.org
 http://www.blender.org/
 http://www.wings3d.com/
 http://www.ktoon.net/portal/
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/sodipodi/files/
 http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus
 http://www.xaraxtreme.org/download.html

 ¿Como lo veis?

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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Jorge A. Secreto
Hola Josué

El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 10:42, Josué Marrero Bermúdez
i...@zetihl.azcuba.cu escribió:
 Saludos Colegas

 En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling, por el
 simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es tan seguro.

 En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero entre ellos
 existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar en la PC remota un
 squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros ejemplos solo hablan de hace
 el tunel y a navegar.

 Mi duda es la siguiente.

 Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los ISP que
 dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin tener que configurar
 nada...

Lo único que hace falta, del otro lado, es un servidor ssh con el
puerto accesible.
¿O lo que estás tratando de hacer es saltarte las restricciones con
navegación encriptada?


 Aclaro que vivo en Cuba..y ni tengo ni idea de como funcionan sus servicios
 de Internet en otros paises...aqui lo comun es siempre un proxy..que
 registre TODO lo que haces..y deniega hasta el agua.

Esto es otro asunto.
Si tu proveedor te filtra el tráfico, y no te permite salir, no
importa qué pongas del otro lado
porque no vas a llegar.

Hice un instructivo para armar un túnel con redirección de puertos,
para proteger unas
conexiones a escritorio remoto de windows. Si querés hacer pruebas te lo paso.
Intenta mantener el túnel arriba aunque se corte.
Trabaja con acceso sin contraseña y lo único que no describe es como
se generan las
keys de ssh. Porque es trivial.
Traté de hacerlo a prueba de tontos. Como para que, si no estoy, otros
puedan instalarlo en
las pc remotas.
Sería bueno que me digas si efectivamente es fácil de seguir :-)



 Saludos

 Josué


Un abrazo

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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Josué Marrero Bermúdez

mandame eso al privado, reviso y te digo si funciona

- Original Message - 
From: Jorge A. Secreto jorgesecr...@gmail.com

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: SSH Tunneling


Hola Josué

El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 10:42, Josué Marrero Bermúdez
i...@zetihl.azcuba.cu escribió:

Saludos Colegas

En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling, por el
simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es tan seguro.

En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero entre ellos
existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar en la PC remota un
squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros ejemplos solo hablan de 
hace

el tunel y a navegar.

Mi duda es la siguiente.

Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los ISP 
que
dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin tener que 
configurar

nada...


Lo único que hace falta, del otro lado, es un servidor ssh con el
puerto accesible.
¿O lo que estás tratando de hacer es saltarte las restricciones con
navegación encriptada?



Aclaro que vivo en Cuba..y ni tengo ni idea de como funcionan sus 
servicios

de Internet en otros paises...aqui lo comun es siempre un proxy..que
registre TODO lo que haces..y deniega hasta el agua.


Esto es otro asunto.
Si tu proveedor te filtra el tráfico, y no te permite salir, no
importa qué pongas del otro lado
porque no vas a llegar.

Hice un instructivo para armar un túnel con redirección de puertos,
para proteger unas
conexiones a escritorio remoto de windows. Si querés hacer pruebas te lo 
paso.

Intenta mantener el túnel arriba aunque se corte.
Trabaja con acceso sin contraseña y lo único que no describe es como
se generan las
keys de ssh. Porque es trivial.
Traté de hacerlo a prueba de tontos. Como para que, si no estoy, otros
puedan instalarlo en
las pc remotas.
Sería bueno que me digas si efectivamente es fácil de seguir :-)




Saludos

Josué



Un abrazo

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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Ramses
Buenas,

El 12/09/2012, a las 17:40, Josué Marrero Bermúdez i...@zetihl.azcuba.cu 
escribió:

 mandame eso al privado, reviso y te digo si funciona
 

Mejor, ponlo por aquí y lo probamos todos...


Saludos,

Ramses

 - Original Message - From: Jorge A. Secreto jorgesecr...@gmail.com
 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Cc: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:37 AM
 Subject: Re: SSH Tunneling
 
 
 Hola Josué
 
 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 10:42, Josué Marrero Bermúdez
 i...@zetihl.azcuba.cu escribió:
 Saludos Colegas
 
 En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling, por el
 simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es tan seguro.
 
 En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero entre ellos
 existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar en la PC remota un
 squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros ejemplos solo hablan de hace
 el tunel y a navegar.
 
 Mi duda es la siguiente.
 
 Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los ISP que
 dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin tener que configurar
 nada...
 
 Lo único que hace falta, del otro lado, es un servidor ssh con el
 puerto accesible.
 ¿O lo que estás tratando de hacer es saltarte las restricciones con
 navegación encriptada?
 
 
 Aclaro que vivo en Cuba..y ni tengo ni idea de como funcionan sus servicios
 de Internet en otros paises...aqui lo comun es siempre un proxy..que
 registre TODO lo que haces..y deniega hasta el agua.
 
 Esto es otro asunto.
 Si tu proveedor te filtra el tráfico, y no te permite salir, no
 importa qué pongas del otro lado
 porque no vas a llegar.
 
 Hice un instructivo para armar un túnel con redirección de puertos,
 para proteger unas
 conexiones a escritorio remoto de windows. Si querés hacer pruebas te lo paso.
 Intenta mantener el túnel arriba aunque se corte.
 Trabaja con acceso sin contraseña y lo único que no describe es como
 se generan las
 keys de ssh. Porque es trivial.
 Traté de hacerlo a prueba de tontos. Como para que, si no estoy, otros
 puedan instalarlo en
 las pc remotas.
 Sería bueno que me digas si efectivamente es fácil de seguir :-)
 
 
 
 Saludos
 
 Josué
 
 
 Un abrazo
 
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 Analista de Sistemas
 MP 361
 
 
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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Ulises M. Alvarez

On 09/12/2012 08:42 AM, Josué Marrero Bermúdez wrote:

Saludos Colegas

En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling, por el
simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es tan seguro.

En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero entre
ellos existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar en la PC
remota un squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros ejemplos solo
hablan de hace el tunel y a navegar.

Mi duda es la siguiente.

Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los ISP
que dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin tener que
configurar nada...


Depende: si deseas navegar a través del túnel, sí necesitarás un proxy. 
Si deseas acceder a otro tipo de servicios --escritorio remoto, correo, 
etc.--, sólo requieres que el servidor ssh esté en un segmento de red 
con acceso a dichos servicios. El límite es tu habilidad para acceder a 
redes remotas y enlazar servicios.

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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread julher
LWed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:42:41AM -0400, Josué Marrero Bermúdez escribió:
 Saludos Colegas
 
 En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling, por
 el simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es tan
 seguro.
 
 En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero entre
 ellos existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar en la
 PC remota un squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros ejemplos
 solo hablan de hace el tunel y a navegar.
 
 Mi duda es la siguiente.
 
 Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los
 ISP que dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin
 tener que configurar nada...
 
 Aclaro que vivo en Cuba..y ni tengo ni idea de como funcionan sus
 servicios de Internet en otros paises...aqui lo comun es siempre un
 proxy..que registre TODO lo que haces..y deniega hasta el agua.



No, no es necesario un proxy. Lo que si es necesario es que puedas
tener acceso a la máquina a la que te conectes, ya sea para instalar
un proxy o para configurar el enrutamiento de tu tráfico.

Lo que me sorprende es que no se permita el tráfico web y que
si se permita salir por ssh a cualquier sitio... no tiene sentido.

Un saludo

JulHer


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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Jorge A. Secreto
El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 13:31, Ramses
ramses.sevi...@gmail.com escribió:
 Buenas,

 El 12/09/2012, a las 17:40, Josué Marrero Bermúdez i...@zetihl.azcuba.cu 
 escribió:

 mandame eso al privado, reviso y te digo si funciona


 Mejor, ponlo por aquí y lo probamos todos...


 Saludos,

 Ramses

Hola
Está levemente modificado porque Chapulin es un servidor SME, así
que van a encontrar referencias a paths completos, retocados para que
se ajusten a Debian. la pc en 192.168.0.251 es un servidor de
terminales Windows.
También se asume que el técnico tiene acceso a ambas máquinas, que
todos los usuarios remotos pueden usar el túnel, que los usuarios no
pueden loguearse por ssh, salvo root, y que no se permite el logueo
ssh por contraseña.

Configuración del Túnel en máquinas Debian
Contenido
Chapulin es el servidor con acceso a internet que brinda el servicio ssh
En las instrucciones siguientes reemplazar usuario del túnel por el
nombre del usuario que va a generar el túnel a través de Chapulin, IP
maquina remota por la dirección IP de la máquina remota e IP de
Chapulin por la dirección IP del Chapulin.

En Chapulin :

* Verificar que exista el usuario usuario del túnel en Chapulin
y crearlo si no existe.

En la máquina remota:

* Abrir una terminal del usuario del túnel
* Generar clave para el usuario del túnel con ssh-keygen.
* No ponerle contraseña a la clave.
* La clave queda guardada en /home/usuario del túnel/.ssh
* Copiar  /home/usuario del túnel/.ssh/id_rsa.pub en
//chapulin/home/usuario del túnel

En Chapulin (conectado por ssh como root):

* Hacer cd /home/usuario del túnel
* Hacer cp  /home/usuario del túnel/.id_rsa.pub  ./.ssh/authorized_keys
* Hacer chown usuario del túnel:usuario del túnel
./.ssh/authorized_keys
* Hacer chmod 644 ./.ssh/authorized_keys
* Hacer rm ./home/id_rsa.pub

En la máquina remota:

* Abrir una terminal de root
* Instalar autossh.

apt-get update
apt-get install autossh

* Desde la terminal de root editar /etc/ssh/ssh_config y /etc/rc.local
* Agregar a /etc/ssh/ssh_config

Host IP de chapulin
GatewayPorts=yes
IdentityFile=/home/usuario del túnel/.ssh/id_rsa
LocalForward=IP maquina remota:3389 192.168.0.251:3389
LogLevel=DEBUG
ServerAliveInterval=10
User=usuario del túnel

* Agregar a /etc/rc.local justo antes de la línea que dice exit 0

ID=usuario del túnel
HOST=IP de chapulin
AUTOSSH_POLL=60
AUTOSSH_PORT=0
AUTOSSH_GATETIME=0
AUTOSSH_LOGFILE=/var/$HOST.log
AUTOSSH_DEBUG=yes
AUTOSSH_LOGLEVEL=7
AUTOSSH_PATH=/usr/bin/ssh
export AUTOSSH_POLL AUTOSSH_LOGFILE AUTOSSH_DEBUG AUTOSSH_LOGLEVEL
AUTOSSH_PATH AUTOSSH_GATETIME AUTOSSH_PORT
/usr/bin/autossh -fN ${ID}@${HOST}

* Desde la terminal del usuario del túnel ejecutar 'ssh IP de
chapulin' y aceptar la identificación del servidor.
* Reiniciar la pc y verificar el túnel.

Espero que no me peguen demasiado.
Les pido que recuerden que la seguridad interna no está tenida en
cuenta y por eso están muchas de las cosas que no les van a gustar a
los que administran sitios grandes.
Sean amables :-)
Mas allá de eso, este túnel me está resultando muy confiable. Si las
máquinas están prendidas y conectadas a internet, el túnel está
funcionando. Siempre.
Ojalá les sirva.
Un abrazo.

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Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread Josué Marrero Bermúdez
Para ti puede no tener mucho sentido..para mi tampoco, pero son cosas que no 
dependen de mi.











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OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-12 Thread EULALIO LOPEZ
Buen día listeros,
En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un hosting y
dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que quiero iniciar
con unos amigos.


Saludos y Gracias!

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no responde el modem USB del servidor de RAS de Debian

2012-09-12 Thread luis

Ahora bien me dicen que haga esto lsusb:

esto es lo que me retorna con lsusb
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0ace:1602 ZyDAS ZyXEL Omni FaxModem 56

Me dicen que:
El dispositivo será entonces /dev/ttyUSBx, donde x es el número de bus 
sin los ceros de la izquierda.


Lo modifiqué quedando asi:
S0:234:respawn:/sbin/mgetty /dev/ttyUSB2

Encontré esto también /dev/ttyACM0

Lo siento por las dudas pero todo esto es primera vez que lo veo.

Cuando hago una llamada telef contra el modem no me responde y debería 
respondermecon su sonido carácteristico creo que no hay nada aun lo 
reconoce todo bien pero no responde cuando lo llaman.


creo que falta por hacer cosas

Gracias por ayudarme a todos ok


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Re: Monitoreando Metro-Ethernet

2012-09-12 Thread Cristian Mitchell
El día 11 de septiembre de 2012 17:12, Walter Reverdito
kronno...@gmail.com escribió:
 Gente,

 alguien conoce algun paquete que se pueda hacer un discovey y un monitoreo
 de Anillos Metro Ethernet para Debian?

dependiendo de lo que quieras monitorear seria la elsoft recomendado
y discover de que?



 gracias y saludos,

 walter



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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-12 Thread jors

On 12/09/12 21:05, EULALIO LOPEZ wrote:

Buen día listeros,
En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un hosting
y dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que quiero
iniciar con unos amigos.


Yo he usado durante un tiempo burst.net y contento con la VPS#1 (5.95$ 
al mes): http://burst.net/linvps.shtml


Salut,
jors


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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-12 Thread PedroTron
El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 14:05, EULALIO LOPEZ
eulaliolope...@gmail.com escribió:
 Buen día listeros,
 En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un hosting y
 dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que quiero iniciar
 con unos amigos.


netciel.com


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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-12 Thread Walter O. Dari

Hola...

El 12/09/12 17:32, jors escribió:

On 12/09/12 21:05, EULALIO LOPEZ wrote:

Buen día listeros,
En su experiencia cual servicio me recomiendan para contratar un hosting
y dominio para un blog colaboprativo sobre software libre que quiero
iniciar con unos amigos.


Yo he usado durante un tiempo burst.net y contento con la VPS#1 (5.95$
al mes): http://burst.net/linvps.shtml

Salut,
jors




Tengo una página aquí y hasta ahora va bien...

http://www.000webhost.com/

... tienes la opción de utilizarlo gratis o pagar por un servicio más 
completo.


Saludos,
Walter

http://swcomputacion.com/


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cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread PedroTron
Holas.

es posible cifrar el trafico en red local?  Lo que pasa es que
necesito lograr que el trafico que existe entre unos enlaces dedicados
y la oficina sea seguro.   Lo primero que se me ocurrio fue
implementar una VPN (uso openvpn para aquellos sitios que no tienen
enlace dedicado), pero no comprendo muy bien como una vpn puede
funcionar en una red donde ya puedes llegar al destino directamente.

La idea es: como puedo proteger esas conexiones que se realizan por
medio de los enlaces dedicados o la red local?   es posible tener una
VPN dentro de la misma LAN??

Gracias y saludos


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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread kazabe
El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 16:07, PedroTron
porsiunc...@gmail.com escribió:
 Holas.

Hola

 es posible cifrar el trafico en red local?  Lo que pasa es que
 necesito lograr que el trafico que existe entre unos enlaces dedicados
 y la oficina sea seguro.

No te sirve usar protocolos seguros? (https, pops, imaps, etc)???

 La idea es: como puedo proteger esas conexiones que se realizan por
 medio de los enlaces dedicados o la red local?   es posible tener una
 VPN dentro de la misma LAN??


Hace tiempo escuche a alguien que comentaba como se podia mejorar la
seguridad de la red cifrando todos los datos, creo que usaban clientes
cisco para eso.   De resto no conozco alternativas (espero que si la
puedas encontrar).

Suerte


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Re: OT: Servicios de Hosting

2012-09-12 Thread Fabián Bonetti
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:05:03 -0500
EULALIO LOPEZ eulaliolope...@gmail.com wrote:

MamaLibre servidor en América del sur.

Somos la envidia de «the pyratebay» (nadie nos volteara)



Info:. http://whois.domaintools.com/mamalibre.com.ar


Nuestras leyes son diferentes, a las de otros países.



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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread Flako
El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 18:12, kazabe kaz...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 16:07, PedroTron
 porsiunc...@gmail.com escribió:
 Holas.

 Hola

 es posible cifrar el trafico en red local?  Lo que pasa es que
 necesito lograr que el trafico que existe entre unos enlaces dedicados
 y la oficina sea seguro.

 No te sirve usar protocolos seguros? (https, pops, imaps, etc)???

 La idea es: como puedo proteger esas conexiones que se realizan por
 medio de los enlaces dedicados o la red local?   es posible tener una
 VPN dentro de la misma LAN??


 Hace tiempo escuche a alguien que comentaba como se podia mejorar la
 seguridad de la red cifrando todos los datos, creo que usaban clientes
 cisco para eso.   De resto no conozco alternativas (espero que si la
 puedas encontrar).

 Suerte


Si es un solo puerto (o algunos) podes usar ssh tunneling
Igual estoy confundido en comprender tu arquitectura.. si usas openvpn
 en una red local o wan, y haces que los equipos solo usen para
comunicare los IP de la vpn tenes el canal seguro.. Porque eso no te
sirve?
También podrías implementar ipsec.


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Consulta Locking device

2012-09-12 Thread El Ale...
Gente buenas tardes, estoy laburando en la creacion de un sistema de envios
masivos sms bajo un debian con gammu que permite el envio de sms via un
telefono celular conectado al USB de la PC, todo anda barvaro, programe un
script php donde le doy la orden por medio de un bucle que ejecute
irrepetidas veces el comendo de envio hasta que no haya mas contactos en
mysql, pero sucede que me envia 11 sms y me sale un error Locking device:

- Linux, kernel 2.6.32-5-686 (#1 SMP Mon Mar 26 05:20:33 UTC 2012)]
Locking device
Device already locked by PID 3375.
Init:GSM_TryGetModel failed with error DEVICELOCKED[3]: Error opening
device, it is locked

si bien se podria generar por un problema del sistema gammu me llama la
atencion esto:  locked by PID 3375 y lei por ahi en google de gente que
tiene el mismo problema con camaras de fotos y otros dispositivos USB,
¿alguien tuvo alguna vez en su vida un problema similar?.

Trabajo sobre debian squeeze. Gracias y saludos a todos!


Re: SSH Tunneling

2012-09-12 Thread José Miguel Martín Espino
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El 12/09/12 15:42, Josué Marrero Bermúdez escribió:
 Saludos Colegas
 
 En estos dias he estado tratando de configurar un SSH Tunneling,
 por el simple hecho de saber como se hace, y si es verdad que es
 tan seguro.
 
 En google he encontrado varios ejemplos de configuracion, pero
 entre ellos existen notables diferencias, unos hablan de configurar
 en la PC remota un squid que administre la navegacion..y en otros
 ejemplos solo hablan de hace el tunel y a navegar.
 
 Mi duda es la siguiente.
 
 Realmente hace falta un proxy al otro lado del tunnel? o es que los
 ISP que dan servicio en otros paises permiten la navegacion sin
 tener que configurar nada...
 
 Aclaro que vivo en Cuba..y ni tengo ni idea de como funcionan sus 
 servicios de Internet en otros paises...aqui lo comun es siempre
 un proxy..que registre TODO lo que haces..y deniega hasta el agua.
 
 
 Saludos
 
 Josué
 
 
En la Europa occidental la política es que se registre TODO lo que
haces y no te lo denieguen para poder seguir haciéndolo :/, yo ando
investigando el funcionamiento de las redes TOR, pero le veo agujeros.

Un saludo.

Espino.
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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread linuxk...@gmail.com

Justo me surgio la siguiente duda haber si alguien lo encontro:

existe xtable addon para iptables con una extensión que se llamaba hash 
md5 me acuerdo que daba la capacidad de poder cifrar la conexión desde 
una ip hacia otra.


ahora esto en netfilter ya no encuentro, alguien sabe algo al respecto?


On 12/09/12 22:48, Flako wrote:

El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 18:12, kazabekaz...@gmail.com  escribió:

El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 16:07, PedroTron
porsiunc...@gmail.com  escribió:

Holas.

Hola

es posible cifrar el trafico en red local?  Lo que pasa es que
necesito lograr que el trafico que existe entre unos enlaces dedicados
y la oficina sea seguro.

No te sirve usar protocolos seguros? (https, pops, imaps, etc)???


La idea es: como puedo proteger esas conexiones que se realizan por
medio de los enlaces dedicados o la red local?   es posible tener una
VPN dentro de la misma LAN??


Hace tiempo escuche a alguien que comentaba como se podia mejorar la
seguridad de la red cifrando todos los datos, creo que usaban clientes
cisco para eso.   De resto no conozco alternativas (espero que si la
puedas encontrar).

Suerte


Si es un solo puerto (o algunos) podes usar ssh tunneling
Igual estoy confundido en comprender tu arquitectura.. si usas openvpn
  en una red local o wan, y haces que los equipos solo usen para
comunicare los IP de la vpn tenes el canal seguro.. Porque eso no te
sirve?
También podrías implementar ipsec.





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Re: Consulta Locking device

2012-09-12 Thread Alberto Vicat

El 12/09/12 19:58, El Ale... escribió:
Gente buenas tardes, estoy laburando en la creacion de un sistema de 
envios masivos sms bajo un debian con gammu que permite el envio de 
sms via un telefono celular conectado al USB de la PC, todo anda 
barvaro, programe un script php donde le doy la orden por medio de un 
bucle que ejecute irrepetidas veces el comendo de envio hasta que no 
haya mas contactos en mysql, pero sucede que me envia 11 sms y me sale 
un error Locking device:


- Linux, kernel 2.6.32-5-686 (#1 SMP Mon Mar 26 05:20:33 UTC 2012)]
Locking device
Device already locked by PID 3375.
Init:GSM_TryGetModel failed with error DEVICELOCKED[3]: Error opening 
device, it is locked


si bien se podria generar por un problema del sistema gammu me llama 
la atencion esto:  locked by PID 3375 y lei por ahi en google de 
gente que tiene el mismo problema con camaras de fotos y otros 
dispositivos USB, ¿alguien tuvo alguna vez en su vida un problema 
similar?.


Trabajo sobre debian squeeze. Gracias y saludos a todos!


Hola
¿No has mirado en el Monitor del Sistema (menú Sistema), en la pestaña 
procesos?
Hacé clic en el nombre de la columna PID o ID y se ordenarán por ese 
número, así te será fácil encontrar el 3375.
Fijate que esté mostrando Todos los procesos, no solamente los del 
usuario actual.


Suerte


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Re: Consulta Locking device

2012-09-12 Thread El Ale...
cuando veo el TOP no me muestra nada, y cuando entro al monitor de sistema
no tengo nada con ese numero tampoco, (sigue bloqueado si quiero enviar un
sms individual por ejemplo).

Saludos!

El 12 de septiembre de 2012 20:14, Alberto Vicat
albertovi...@gmail.comescribió:

 El 12/09/12 19:58, El Ale... escribió:

  Gente buenas tardes, estoy laburando en la creacion de un sistema de
 envios masivos sms bajo un debian con gammu que permite el envio de sms
 via un telefono celular conectado al USB de la PC, todo anda barvaro,
 programe un script php donde le doy la orden por medio de un bucle que
 ejecute irrepetidas veces el comendo de envio hasta que no haya mas
 contactos en mysql, pero sucede que me envia 11 sms y me sale un error
 Locking device:

 - Linux, kernel 2.6.32-5-686 (#1 SMP Mon Mar 26 05:20:33 UTC 2012)]
 Locking device
 Device already locked by PID 3375.
 Init:GSM_TryGetModel failed with error DEVICELOCKED[3]: Error opening
 device, it is locked

 si bien se podria generar por un problema del sistema gammu me llama la
 atencion esto:  locked by PID 3375 y lei por ahi en google de gente que
 tiene el mismo problema con camaras de fotos y otros dispositivos USB,
 ¿alguien tuvo alguna vez en su vida un problema similar?.

 Trabajo sobre debian squeeze. Gracias y saludos a todos!


 Hola
 ¿No has mirado en el Monitor del Sistema (menú Sistema), en la pestaña
 procesos?
 Hacé clic en el nombre de la columna PID o ID y se ordenarán por ese
 número, así te será fácil encontrar el 3375.
 Fijate que esté mostrando Todos los procesos, no solamente los del usuario
 actual.

 Suerte


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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread adolfo maltez
Saludos.

Para cifrar conexiones locales podes utilizar 802.1x. [0]
Es una quebradera de cabeza, pero si sos paranoico, lo podes implementar.

Mi recomendación es que te vayas por una VPN. En este casa OpenVPN. [1]
En mi trabajo implemento algo similar, te conectas mediante las interfaces
virtuales
que crea la VPN, es decir otras IPs.
No hay ningún problema que estés en el mismo segmento de red.


[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.1X
[1] http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html

Att.

El 12 de septiembre de 2012 14:11, linuxk...@gmail.com
linuxk...@gmail.comescribió:

 Justo me surgio la siguiente duda haber si alguien lo encontro:

 existe xtable addon para iptables con una extensión que se llamaba hash
 md5 me acuerdo que daba la capacidad de poder cifrar la conexión desde una
 ip hacia otra.

 ahora esto en netfilter ya no encuentro, alguien sabe algo al respecto?



 On 12/09/12 22:48, Flako wrote:

 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 18:12, kazabekaz...@gmail.com
  escribió:

 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 16:07, PedroTron
 porsiunc...@gmail.com  escribió:

 Holas.

 Hola

 es posible cifrar el trafico en red local?  Lo que pasa es que
 necesito lograr que el trafico que existe entre unos enlaces dedicados
 y la oficina sea seguro.

 No te sirve usar protocolos seguros? (https, pops, imaps, etc)???

  La idea es: como puedo proteger esas conexiones que se realizan por
 medio de los enlaces dedicados o la red local?   es posible tener una
 VPN dentro de la misma LAN??

  Hace tiempo escuche a alguien que comentaba como se podia mejorar la
 seguridad de la red cifrando todos los datos, creo que usaban clientes
 cisco para eso.   De resto no conozco alternativas (espero que si la
 puedas encontrar).

 Suerte

  Si es un solo puerto (o algunos) podes usar ssh tunneling
 Igual estoy confundido en comprender tu arquitectura.. si usas openvpn
   en una red local o wan, y haces que los equipos solo usen para
 comunicare los IP de la vpn tenes el canal seguro.. Porque eso no te
 sirve?
 También podrías implementar ipsec.




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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread PedroTron
El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 17:48, Flako subfo...@gmail.com escribió:
 Si es un solo puerto (o algunos) podes usar ssh tunneling
 Igual estoy confundido en comprender tu arquitectura.. si usas openvpn
  en una red local o wan, y haces que los equipos solo usen para
 comunicare los IP de la vpn tenes el canal seguro.. Porque eso no te
 sirve?

Es que ahi es donde tengo la duda.  Si ya se tiene visibilidad de red,
openvpn no generaria un conflicto? o se convertiria en la ruta
predeterminada para llegar a la misma red, pero por canal cifrado.


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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread Cristian Mitchell
El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 23:41, PedroTron
porsiunc...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 17:48, Flako subfo...@gmail.com escribió:
 Si es un solo puerto (o algunos) podes usar ssh tunneling
 Igual estoy confundido en comprender tu arquitectura.. si usas openvpn
  en una red local o wan, y haces que los equipos solo usen para
 comunicare los IP de la vpn tenes el canal seguro.. Porque eso no te
 sirve?

 Es que ahi es donde tengo la duda.  Si ya se tiene visibilidad de red,
 openvpn no generaria un conflicto? o se convertiria en la ruta
 predeterminada para llegar a la misma red, pero por canal cifrado.


NO!!!
vos cuando armas una vpn tiene otro rango de ip
entonces si llamas el ip comun va por la coneccion sin cifrar
si salis via la ip de la vpn va cifrada



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Re: cifrar trafico de red Local?????

2012-09-12 Thread C. L. Martinez
2012/9/13 Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com:
 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 23:41, PedroTron
 porsiunc...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 12 de septiembre de 2012 17:48, Flako subfo...@gmail.com escribió:
 Si es un solo puerto (o algunos) podes usar ssh tunneling
 Igual estoy confundido en comprender tu arquitectura.. si usas openvpn
  en una red local o wan, y haces que los equipos solo usen para
 comunicare los IP de la vpn tenes el canal seguro.. Porque eso no te
 sirve?

 Es que ahi es donde tengo la duda.  Si ya se tiene visibilidad de red,
 openvpn no generaria un conflicto? o se convertiria en la ruta
 predeterminada para llegar a la misma red, pero por canal cifrado.


 NO!!!
 vos cuando armas una vpn tiene otro rango de ip
 entonces si llamas el ip comun va por la coneccion sin cifrar
 si salis via la ip de la vpn va cifrada




No es correcto. Existe un modo de establecimiento de VPN a través de
la familia de protocolos IPSec, que se trata de establecer VPN
host-to-host. Aquí no entran ni IP virtuales ni interfaces virtuales
ni nada por el estilo. Cuando se establece una VPN host-to-host, el
stack TCP/IP del OS se encarga de encaminar los paquetes por el túnel
encriptado.

OpenVPN es un cliente/servidor ligero de SSL-VPN, nada que ver con
IPSec y este sí precisa la creación de interfaces e IP's virtuales
para funcionar. IPsec no.

De hecho lo que consulta PedroTron es eso: IPSec host-to-host. En mi
infraestructura lo tengo desplagado para servicios considerados
sensibles y funciona sin hacer ningún invento.

Saludos.


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Re: Νέα θέση εργασίας στο Εθνικό Δίκτυο Έρευνας και Τεχνολογίας

2012-09-12 Thread Anastasios Mageirias
Συμφωνω απολύτως

On Sep 13, 2012 12:19 AM, John Tsiombikas nucl...@member.fsf.org wrote:

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:32:44PM +0300, Tasos Laskos wrote:
 Etsi apo periergia, de to vrike kane...
Not really, opos eipa den katalaba kan oti den itan sovari erotisi...

Alla ok xabales na ginetai, stamatiste na eiste mygiagkixtes aderfes tou
eleous gamoto :)

Allo ena pragma pou prepei na stamatisete episis einai na stelnete
emails se oli tin panagia. Mou erxonte 3-4 fores ta emails. Stelnete
mono stis listes plz. Oloi eimaste grammenoi kai ta pairnoume.


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Re: Νέα θέση εργασίας στο Εθνικό Δίκτυο Έρευνας και Τεχνολογίας

2012-09-12 Thread John Tsiombikas
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 01:55:02AM +0300, Kostantinos Koukopoulos wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM, John Tsiombikas
 nucl...@member.fsf.org wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:32:44PM +0300, Tasos Laskos wrote:
  Etsi apo periergia, de to vrike kaneis asteio to sxolio?
  Ego prosopika gelasa kai to ekselava os geniko xavale.
 
  Oxi pos exei idieteri simasia dld apla kouventa na ginete.
 
  Not really, opos eipa den katalaba kan oti den itan sovari erotisi...
 
  Alla ok xabales na ginetai, stamatiste na eiste mygiagkixtes aderfes tou
  eleous gamoto :)
 
  Allo ena pragma pou prepei na stamatisete episis einai na stelnete
  emails se oli tin panagia. Mou erxonte 3-4 fores ta emails. Stelnete
  mono stis listes plz. Oloi eimaste grammenoi kai ta pairnoume.
 
 
 Θα μπορούσε να πει κανείς ότι το σύστημα που παραλαμβάνει τα emails
 σου έχει ένα bug εάν παραλαμβάνει το ίδιο μήνυμα τρεις φορές. To
 message-id τι το έχουν τα mails?

Ma *prepei* na mou erthei toulaxiston 2 fores, gia na mpei sto mailbox
tis lgu kai tis debian-gr pou eimai grammenos. Ayto to analambanei to
procmail filter mou. Ayto pou me enoxlei einai i *triti* kopia, pou
kataligei sto inbox mou giati me kanete kai personally CC.

Tha mporouse na pei kaneis oti to systma pou stelnei ta emails sou exei
ena bug, i pio pithanon apla den exeis brei to koumpaki list-reply kai
xrisimopoieis group-reply quite inapropriately :)

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Re: DNS reverso operadora OI URGENTE.

2012-09-12 Thread Rodolfo
Você quer o endereço do dns reverso ? se sim # ping -a mostra isso.

Em 11 de setembro de 2012 16:19, Gustavo Villela gville...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Olá lista,

 Alguem aqui na lista trabalha com a operadora OI, tendo ela como seu link
 principal?

 Estou tendo dificuldades com meu reverso que funcionava perfeitamente em
 outra operadora.

 Tenho um firewall com a interface externa configurada com 2 IPs:

 200.xxx.xxx.1
 200.xxx.xxx.2

 Nesse mesmo firewall tenho um forward para meu server interno no IP
 192.168.254.2, na porta 53, TCP e UDP. No registro.br já esta tudo OK.

 Na operadora anterior funcionava perfeitamente, agora com a OI, só
 funciona meu site, meus e-mails estão voltando praticamente quase que todos
 por falta do reverso.

 Ja entrei em contato com o 0800 deles, mais eles informam que a OI não faz
 esse tipo de serviço. Como não fazem se são eles os detentores do range.

 Na operadora antiga habilitei isso em 40 ninutinhos e estava tudo OK.

 Alguem ai usa a OI como operadora de dados, qual o caminho das pedras para
 que meu reverso volte a funcionar?

 Se tiverem telefone, e-mail, pager, sinal de fumaça de alguem que saiba do
 que estou falando lá dentro, agradeço desde já.



Re: DNS reverso operadora OI URGENTE.

2012-09-12 Thread Rodolfo
 ataagora entendi '-' foi mal.. ehehee.é mano...so na merda da
Oi mesmosempre tive problemas com essa operadora

Abraços;

Em 12 de setembro de 2012 13:32, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Você quer o endereço do dns reverso ? se sim # ping -a mostra isso.

 Em 11 de setembro de 2012 16:19, Gustavo Villela 
 gville...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Olá lista,

 Alguem aqui na lista trabalha com a operadora OI, tendo ela como seu link
 principal?

 Estou tendo dificuldades com meu reverso que funcionava perfeitamente em
 outra operadora.

 Tenho um firewall com a interface externa configurada com 2 IPs:

 200.xxx.xxx.1
 200.xxx.xxx.2

 Nesse mesmo firewall tenho um forward para meu server interno no IP
 192.168.254.2, na porta 53, TCP e UDP. No registro.br já esta tudo OK.

 Na operadora anterior funcionava perfeitamente, agora com a OI, só
 funciona meu site, meus e-mails estão voltando praticamente quase que todos
 por falta do reverso.

 Ja entrei em contato com o 0800 deles, mais eles informam que a OI não
 faz esse tipo de serviço. Como não fazem se são eles os detentores do range.

 Na operadora antiga habilitei isso em 40 ninutinhos e estava tudo OK.

 Alguem ai usa a OI como operadora de dados, qual o caminho das pedras
 para que meu reverso volte a funcionar?

 Se tiverem telefone, e-mail, pager, sinal de fumaça de alguem que saiba
 do que estou falando lá dentro, agradeço desde já.





Atheros AR9285

2012-09-12 Thread Flavio Barros
Comprei um notebook Qbex que veio com esse cartão wireless. Só para constar
identifiquei o modelo com lspci:

07:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless
Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)

Estou usando o Debian Squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 parece que o sistema
reconhece a placa. Ele sobe o driver ath9k. A saido do lsmod | grep ath:

ath9k 249976  0
mac80211  137372  1 ath9k
ath8006  1 ath9k
cfg80211101496  3 ath9k,mac80211,ath
led_class   2433  1 ath9k

e do iwconfig:

lo  no wireless extensions.

eth0   no wireless extensions.

vboxnet0 no wireless extensions.

pan0   no wireless extensions.

wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any
  Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=off
  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Encryption key:off
  Power Management:on

Não sei mais o que fazer...






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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 sep 12, 12:29:42, Weaver wrote:
 
 I am advocating the elimination of that lack of knowledge.

You are assuming the user is interested in learning. In my experience it 
is rather the contrary.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 sep 12, 21:17:52, Lisi wrote:
 
 I apologise to anyone who feels that my use of English is pompous.  I think 
 that to try and talk in baby talk is insulting to those for whom English is a 
 second language (or third or fourth!).  Not to mention the fact that I simply 
 don't know which words I can expect someone else to know.  Much better in my 
 opinion (and it is only a matter of opinion) to talk properly to foreigners 
 and children.  How else can they enlarge their vocabularies?

+100 from a person who's English is competing for the second place :p
 
 I am more than willing to explain anything that I have said that someone 
 finds 
 incomprehensible.  And if someone is hesitant about asking in public, 
 please feel free to email me off list to ask.

I'm actually considering something like feel free to correct my 
English in my sig. 

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Re: how to uninstall gnome totally?

2012-09-12 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 12 September 2012 06:33:11 houkensjtu wrote:
 I have been using ubuntu for a while and now I decided to switch to debian.
 Here is my question:
 If I download a debian CD with GNOME desktop system, how can I totally
 uninstall it? I found a lot relating package in aptitude and I was
 confused.

Don't install it in the first place!  There should be an option under, I 
think, expert install to chose your desktop, or at the task-sel stage you can 
simply deselect a desk top, install without a desktop and then install your 
choice of desktop or window manager on the installed system.

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Re: how to uninstall gnome totally? - erratum

2012-09-12 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 12 September 2012 07:14:34 Lisi wrote:
 chose

choose

One day I'll succeed in learning to type :-(

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 sep 12, 14:47:57, Weaver wrote:
 
 There is a stage where the installer asks for contrib and non-free apt
 list inclusions.

Only for expert installs AFAIK.

 It would probably be  best to incorporate this as a default in a newbie
 install.

In my opinion that would be a bad idea. While I can accept that some 
(most?) people don't want or need to know about the intricacies of an 
operating system I think they should be educated about their freedom (or 
lack of).

They may end up giving it up and install non-free software (like many of 
us do as well), but at least it would be an informed decision.

 Perhaps a note to explain this could be incorporated - 'If you are new to
 open source free software, we recommend that you accept this option'- or
 something along those lines might be appropriate.

Debian is currently investigating *possibly*[1] removing any reference 
to non-free that might be considered a recommendation, in order to be 
accepted by the FSF as a free distro.

[1] Debian may still end up keeping references to non-free if it 
considers the service to the users is more important than acceptance by 
the FSF.

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Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 sep 12, 21:56:44, Stephen Powell wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:10:01 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote:
  
  What does 
  
  speaker-test -c2 -t wav
  
  do (both as user and root)?
 
 It works!  Both as root and as a normal user.  Amazing!  

At least you know that the alsa layer is ok.

 So why does aplay fail?  It's a mystery to me!

Please post the output of 'aplay -l' and 'aplay -L'.

  Assuming you really want to keep Gnome there are several workarounds for 
  that:
  - just remove the gnome-core metapackage and keep all other dependencies
  - equivs (either build a replacement metapackage or a replacement 
dependency)
  - dpkg --force-depends
 
 As much as I dislike pulseaudio (I wish everyone would use alsa), it is
 evident that this is the future direction of Debian; so I would like to
 find a way for pulseaudio and alsa to peacefully coexist if possible.

Since ALSA is the driver level pulseaudio has to coexist with it ;) 
However, I don't see why you think Debian is so much into pulseaudio. It 
just happens to be used by the currently[2] default desktop.

[1] I have experimented with pulseaudio to reroute audio to a different 
machine via the network, but the setup seemed too complicated and 
fragile for me so I just use the laptop's speakers for the occasional 
youtube video or so.

[2] There is a discussion going on on debian-devel whether it will be 
kept as default.

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Re: KDE Ruhezustand/Tiefschlaf = Bildschirmschoner

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
[For d-u: I'm directing him to d-u-german and pointing out that LMDE is 
not Debian]

Hallo Matthias,

debian-user ist eine englishsprachige Liste. Vielleicht solltest Du 
lieber an debian-user-german schreiben, aber... (siehe unten).

On Mi, 12 sep 12, 07:32:43, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
 Hallo zusammen,
 
 wie kann ich in KDE (Mint LMDE incoming distro) einstellen das bei
 Ruhezustand/Tiefschlaf pm_suspend oder pm_hibernate aufgerufen werden?
 
 Sowohl pm_suspend als auch pm_hibernate funktionieren wenn ich sie auf
 der Komamndozeile aufrufe, aber wenn ich aus dem KDE Menu heraus
 Verlassen - Ruhezustand / Tiefschlaf aufrufe, startet nur der
 Bildschirmschoner.

... LMDE basiert auf Debian. Das heisst aber nicht dass wir helfen 
können, denn wir können nicht wissen welche Änderungen vorgenommen 
wurden.

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Re: KDE suspend / hibernate just executes the screensaver

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 07:39:23, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have posted the same question today in german language. Sorry for
 that. Here it is in english.
 
 I am running Mint LMDE with incoming repos = basically debian testing.
 
As I mentioned in my other mail, just because LMDE is based on Debian 
there is no way for us to know if any advise applicable to Debian will 
work there. Have you tried asking in LMDE forums?

 On the commandline I can suspend and hibernate the computer with
 pm-suspend and pm-hibernate. But when I click on the Suspend or
 Hibernate button in the KDE exit dialog only the screensaver gets started.
 
 What is missing?

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Removing Pulseaudio with Gnome: volume control missing

2012-09-12 Thread José Luis Segura Lucas
Hi all!

Recently I installed Debian on a new computer, and I want to avoid using
Pulseaudio (it is problematic for me, and this is a long discussion on
this and another lists about that).

I tried to uninstall it, and certainly, I have no problem: I have sound
but I don't have any volume control on my Gnome. I know that the Gnome
volume control relays on Pulseaudio, but is there any wait to get a
volume control for Alsa on the Gnome panel?

Best regards and thanks in advance



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Re: Removing Pulseaudio with Gnome: volume control missing

2012-09-12 Thread Jude DaShiell
Isn't there a set of galsa packages to graphically control alsa?On Wed, 12 
Sep 2012, Jos? Luis Segura Lucas wrote:

 Hi all!
 
 Recently I installed Debian on a new computer, and I want to avoid using
 Pulseaudio (it is problematic for me, and this is a long discussion on
 this and another lists about that).
 
 I tried to uninstall it, and certainly, I have no problem: I have sound
 but I don't have any volume control on my Gnome. I know that the Gnome
 volume control relays on Pulseaudio, but is there any wait to get a
 volume control for Alsa on the Gnome panel?
 
 Best regards and thanks in advance
 
 

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hearse crontab message

2012-09-12 Thread Jude DaShiell
Anyone know what this means?
1+ 09/12 Cron DaemonCron root@d-216-36-20-9 perl -we 'sleep rand 
3600'; hearse --quiethearse: size of unsigned long is 8 rather than 4 
This message doesn't come up every day but does come up a few times a 
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Re: Removing Pulseaudio with Gnome: volume control missing

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 09:58:16, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 Recently I installed Debian on a new computer, and I want to avoid using
 Pulseaudio (it is problematic for me, and this is a long discussion on
 this and another lists about that).
 
 I tried to uninstall it, and certainly, I have no problem: I have sound
 but I don't have any volume control on my Gnome. I know that the Gnome
 volume control relays on Pulseaudio, but is there any wait to get a
 volume control for Alsa on the Gnome panel?

A quick 'apt-cache search' shows at least two interesting candidates:

gnome-alsamixer - ALSA sound mixer for GNOME
alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver

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Re: Storage server

2012-09-12 Thread Denis Witt
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:29:22 +0100
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:

 Denis' answer is very good, I won't re-iterate his points.

Thanks. And also thanks for pointing out the Hardlinks thing, I
over-read the lots of small files part in Velkjos Mail.

Anyway, I have some comparison data. I have a backup server that saves
data from 5 other server at our hosting company using rsnapshot. The
backups are kept for 14 days.

rsnapshot:

The Backup has 186GB. 51 GB for the full backup (daily.0) and
about 11GB for each incremental backup (daily.1 - daily.13). The backup
includes typical small webserver files but also big logfiles and two
ZOPE Databases (ZEOs) with about 5GB each.

bup:

I imported them with bup import-rsnapshot, the overall size is 15GB
(for all 14 days) which is quite amazing. Anyway the lack of a
possibility to delete old backup versions is (for me) a major drawback.
What I liked was the possibility to mount the Backup with FUSE. After
mounting the Backup one can access every backup generation as normal
files. Each generation has its own folder with a timestamp. The files
inside the backup have no metadata (timestamp is always 1.1.1970, etc.).

The only way I can think of at the moment to get rid of old backup
generations using bup is to mount (FUSE) the backup restore all backup
generations you want to keep to an additional drive, delete the bup git
repository, create a new one and backup the restore again. Of course
this might take a lot of additional space on you disk for the
(temporary) restore which might not be available. If any has some
better approach I would love to hear.

obnam:

With obnam I made a backup of daily.0 (51GB). There was nearly no
reduction in the size for the first backup run (47GB). The next backup
run (one day later, which creates 11GB new data with rsnapshot) has only
added a few MB and therefore was pretty fast.

The repository approach of obnam comes very handy. You can pull or push
backups to the repository server and can access the backups from any
other machine (if you have SSH access). Configuration is not necessary
but a small config containing some default parameters comes in handy:

[config]
repository = sftp://192.168.1.10/backup/obnam/
log = /var/log/obnam.log
log-level = warning
client-name = dx

If you now run obnam backup /var/www the backup of /var/www will be
pushed to the repository. obnam locks the repository for the client so
one cannot accidentally run two backups of the same host (client) at
the same time. Running several backups of different hosts is no problem.

During a backup run obnam makes snapshots every few 100MB so if the
backup fails (e.g. disconnect from the repository server) the backup
can be resumed from the last snapshot.

A nice feature is some kind of built in nagios plugin:

obnam nagios-last-backup-age --warn-age=1 --client=dx
OK: backup is recent.  last backup was 2012-09-12 10:05:47.

obnam nagios-last-backup-age --warn-age=1 --client=backup 
WARNING: backup is old.  last backup was 2012-09-11 18:03:43.

obnam nagios-last-backup-age --client=cat --critical-age=1
CRITICAL: backup is old.  last backup was 2012-09-11 17:01:23.

The restore is a bit more complex, as there is (at the moment) no FUSE
filesystem available for obnam. Instead you need to know the name of
the file/folder and in which backup generation your file/folder exists.

obnam generations shows all available backups:

101 2012-09-11 18:01:07 .. 2012-09-11 18:02:10 (26474 files,
8598496965 bytes) 
108 2012-09-12 10:05:47 .. 2012-09-12 10:06:36 (26474 files,
8598500897 bytes) 

Then you can use obnam ls --generation=101 to show the files.

rdiff-backup:

If have no real comparison data for rdiff-backup but I expect similar
results as with obnam (about 50GB for the first backup, only several MB
for each following daily backup).

rdiff-backup can (like bup) mount the backup (all generations) using
FUSE.

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Re: hearse crontab message

2012-09-12 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 04:06:12AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
 Anyone know what this means?
 1+ 09/12 Cron DaemonCron root@d-216-36-20-9 perl -we 'sleep rand 
 3600'; hearse --quiethearse: size of unsigned long is 8 rather than 4 
 This message doesn't come up every day but does come up a few times a 
 week.

It means:
 * You have the hearse program installed. Hearse is a tool for sharing
   'bones' files for the nethack game (a dungeon crawler. When you die,
   sometimes a bones file is created. Later on, when you play that level
   again you may find your corpse which can be looted for goodies).
   Hearse makes your bones files available for other users and provides
   other user's bones files available to you. In other words, it adds a
   bit of spice to playing the game.

 * You are running a 64-bit system. Both nethack and hearse run
   perfectly well on 32-bit and 64-bit architectures, but at the moment
   the popularity of nethack on 64-bit is low so the developer of hearse
   has made the decision not to support 64-bit bones files. As and when
   the intermediary website supports 64-bit bones files, the message
   above will go away.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:29:50 -0700
Weaver wea...@riseup.net wrote:

 
 On Tue, September 11, 2012 6:40 pm, Celejar wrote:
  On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:51:39 +0200
  Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 
  On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 21:17 +0100, Lisi wrote:
   Since Squeeze I think that Debian has removed itself from this market.
   The
   main repository and kernel contain only FLOSS software.  I.e. many
  drivers
   are missing and have to be separately installed.  This is beyond a
  total
   newbie, and I think could not be rendered easily attainable by
  attaching a
   set of instructions.  So sadly, I have come to the conclusion that I
  must
   recommend e.g. Linux Mint if any newbie who wishes to self-install
  were to
   ask me for my opinion.
 
  A serious issue for all Linux distros are codecs. We're living in the
  media age, consumer need codecs. http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
  Last time (02 Sep 2012) I tried to upgrade my AV Linux (Debian stable),
  gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg should be automatically removed. I didn't notice a
  replacement that should be installed. Conflicts caused by codecs (just
  one issue) are an issue for most distros I know.
 
  ? I use standard A/V packages (Mplayer and VLC) from Stable (with some
  Backports stuff), and never have any codec issues at all.
 
  What codecs would a typical user encounter that aren't available in
  Debian?
 
 Just off the top of my head: libdvdcss2

Not a codec, but I understand your point. But there really aren't a
whole lot more, AFAIK.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 sep 12, 21:17:52, Lisi wrote:
 
 Since Squeeze I think that Debian has removed itself from this market.  The 
 main repository and kernel contain only FLOSS software.  I.e. many drivers 
 are missing and have to be separately installed.  This is beyond a total 
 newbie, and I think could not be rendered easily attainable by attaching a 
 set of instructions.  So sadly, I have come to the conclusion that I must 
 recommend e.g. Linux Mint if any newbie who wishes to self-install were to 
 ask me for my opinion.

You may not be aware of the unofficial installer that includes firmware:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 09:52:47PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 don't install German language packages. To post English output of
 commands on a German mailing list wouldn't be good.

Don't you mean German output?

Anyway, to post English output if your locale is non-English, just
prepend LC=C before the command.

e.g % LC=C apt-cache policy zsh-beta

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread steef

On 11-09-12 08:00, Andrei POPESCU wrote:



Unfortunately updates are turned off (of course), which makes those
systems easy prey for viruses/worms/etc. and they end up in botnets :(



hi andrei,

this is not true in my native tongue: dutch. i am in possession of a dvd 
with all hacked versions of W7, included all regular automated 
update_possibilities.


i keep this dvd and older cdrom's with the same possibilities for older 
windoze-distros as a kind os curiosum.


why should i use them if use for more than 10 years a trustworthy distro 
like debian.


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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 02:44:48PM +0200, lee wrote:
 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:
 
  On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 09:06:33PM +0200, lee wrote:
  
  And where's the 40GB (or whatever size it is) Blueray image that has all
  the packages plus all the stuff from non-free plus a life system plus
  lots of documentation on it so that I can simply download that and boot
  and press a button and it just installs and works, without requiring
  internet access in the first place? --- The on-board ethernet card of my
  desktop doesn't work out of the box, so how the hell am I supposed to
  know what to do without a working computer that enables me to look for a
  solution?
  
 
  M, now how much would you pay for that? 
 
 Going by what they sold Suse in some book stores for many years ago, I
 would expect a price of about EUR 350--380 nowadays.
 
 If that was the only choice available, we'd just have to pay that.

Trouble is I forgot about the legalities of distributing non-free
software. IOW, lawyers fees may suck up any profit.


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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 12:59:29, steef wrote:
 On 11-09-12 08:00, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
 Unfortunately updates are turned off (of course), which makes those
 systems easy prey for viruses/worms/etc. and they end up in botnets :(
 
 this is not true in my native tongue: dutch. i am in possession of a
 dvd with all hacked versions of W7, included all regular automated
 update_possibilities.

I stand corrected :)

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 04:19:35AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 If you want to rip audio CD's to MP3's with e.g. Sound Juicer, you want
 to have the gstreamer0.10-lame package from e.g.
 www.deb-multimedia.org. - http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs

root@tal:~# apt-cache policy libmp3lame0
libmp3lame0:
  Installed: 3.99.5+repack1-3
  Candidate: 3.99.5+repack1-3
  Version table:
 *** 3.99.5+repack1-3 0
990 http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Although I had to jump through hoops to ensure the wheezy version was
installed instead of the 3rd party version.

(Just noticed it now when I was getting the info.)

Removing the repository is apparently not enough. :(

(Seems to be an abuse of epochs)

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Re: Storage server

2012-09-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 05:44:46PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 Which is why I recommend XFS.  It is exceptionally fast at traversing large
 btrees.  You'll need the 3.2 bpo kernel for Squeeze.  The old as dirt 2.6.32
 kernel doesn't contain any of the recent (last 3 years) metadata
 optimizations.

Yes. You are becoming a bit of a broken record on that front :)

I have not performed any such timings but I am willing to believe you that
XFS will be faster.  I'd still not recommend rsnapshot, because faster merely
mitigates the big design flaw, it does not remove it, and rdiff-backup is
virtually a drop-in replacement.


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Re: Storage server

2012-09-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:03:43PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 http://www.taobackup.com/

Yes indeed, great read.

Also this: http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html

A single external drive, normally stored away from the server, would be enough
to have a backup that would survive the host going up in flames.


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Re: Removing Pulseaudio with Gnome: volume control missing

2012-09-12 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:58:16AM +0200, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 Recently I installed Debian on a new computer, and I want to avoid using
 Pulseaudio (it is problematic for me, and this is a long discussion on
 this and another lists about that).
 
 I tried to uninstall it, and certainly, I have no problem: I have sound
 but I don't have any volume control on my Gnome. I know that the Gnome
 volume control relays on Pulseaudio, but is there any wait to get a
 volume control for Alsa on the Gnome panel?

http://packages.debian.org/sid/volumeicon-alsa would appear to do the
trick, but it sits in the status area, not your panel. (for GNOME 3
at least).


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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread The Wanderer

On 09/12/2012 02:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:


On Ma, 11 sep 12, 12:29:42, Weaver wrote:


I am advocating the elimination of that lack of knowledge.


You are assuming the user is interested in learning. In my experience it is
rather the contrary.


While this is true, I suspect (based on my own experience) that even the sort of
user who isn't interested in learning is likely to be happier with seeing an
explanation than with being confused by a question they know nothing about.

Which is likely to be more off-putting to a user who's never heard of a
partition or a filesystem before: encountering a now it's time to partition
your system prompt with no explanation of what this means, or encountering one
with such an explanation?

Admittedly, not presenting the user with such a prompt at all would be less
off-putting than either, but we may not be able to avoid that unless we relegate
the ability to control partitioning/filesystems to the full expert install - and
there may well be people who would prefer to handle their own partitioning, but
would not be comfortable with all the details of the expert install process.

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Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:36:08AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 I have experimented with pulseaudio to reroute audio to a different 
 machine via the network, but the setup seemed too complicated and 
 fragile for me so I just use the laptop's speakers for the occasional 
 youtube video or so.

mpd and mpc no good? I see mpd only suggests pulseaudio.

Disclaimer: I haven't personally tried mpd over a network, but I will
eventually be looking at it. 

There is also rplay-server and rplay-client, but again, see the
Disclaimer.

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Re: Satellite P870 issues

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 06:48:33PM +0200, lee wrote:
 Julian De Marchi jul...@jdcomputers.com.au writes:
 
  My major issue is the video devices. They are apparently a switchable
  type, so you have the choice to use either the intel or nvidia
  GPUs.
 
 You might be out of luck depending on what hardware is in your
 laptop. Google for muxless; if your laptop is muxless, switching to
 the NVIDIA card won't get you any further than to a blank display. IIRC,
 there's some file under /sys that has something to do with vgaswitcheroo
 which would allow you to switch between the cards if you have compiled
 support for it into the kernel. That will take you to a blank screen/no
 video output, so make sure you use a script that switches back
 automatically when you try it.

Are you sure lee? Wouldn't some sort of module blacklisting/whitelisting
work?

Disclaimer: This is just off the top of my head, but is where I'd start
looking. Although I'd probably do a google search with various
combinations of search terms just to see if I could get a slight smell
of a clue of what to start looking at.


Looks good though:
http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/series/Satellite-P870-series/1122238/

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Re: ntpd crashes.

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:16:05 +0100, Chris Davies wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can try a different approach: do not run ntpd as daemon but using
 cron and see how it goes :-?
 
 Huh?

Yes, for testing purposes.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 13 sep 12, 00:33:59, Chris Bannister wrote:
 
 Although I had to jump through hoops to ensure the wheezy version was
 installed instead of the 3rd party version.
 
 (Just noticed it now when I was getting the info.)
 
 Removing the repository is apparently not enough. :(

This will show you what else you have installed from it:

aptitude search ~S~i~Omultimedia

 (Seems to be an abuse of epochs)

Some think it is. IMVHO there is no reason to not have deb-multimedia 
same as stable-backports, which is why I pin it to 100.

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Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:13:55 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote:

 tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 17:52 +, skrev Camaleón:
 On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:51:22 +0200, Tom Rausner wrote:
 
 A bad copy does not have to mean a hardware problem. Maybe using a
 different software to do the copy process could have helped to diagnose
 the problem.
 
 I did try different software -same result.

Okay. Did you also tried the copy from/to different media? Neither CDs 
nor DVDs are good for this kind of tests.

 No, of course not. That's why boards usually come with more than one
 sata/ ata/usb/pci/pci-e/pci-x/esata/ethernet ports/slots which can be
 used for expanding your options or backup purposes ;-)
 
 Well... I'm almost out of space here. Besides I think it's time for an
 upgrade. Old board.

Understood. I only wanted to highlight that a single non-operative port 
does not always have to lead to a motherboard change (and I'm particulary 
sensible in this regard because the average age of my motherboards are 
5/6 years old and replacing these usually involves microprocessor and 
memory upgrades.

 I have it in my list of low-end (cheap) manufacturers, along with
 Biostar and DFI. I prefer MSI, Gigabyte or even Asus. Buy hey, there
 can be exceptions to the rule and the motherboard model you have in
 your radar has been awarded with many prizes...
 
 Generally I would agree and I was looking at MSI and ASUS to start with.
 I just happened to clap my eyes on this one by accident -and liked it.

No problem. As I mentioned, the motherboard seems to be of the liking of 
many editors for specialized magazines .

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Re: ntpd crashes.

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:54:50 +0200, Mauro wrote:

 On 11 September 2012 17:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

(...)

 You can try a different approach: do not run ntpd as daemon but using
 cron and see how it goes :-?

 What's the difference of running ntpdate instead ntp with cron?

 Well, AFAIK they're different packages for different purposes, other
 than that, I can't tell. But if you search for a full replacement of
 ntp functionalities (client/server) you can look at openntpd and
 chrony.
 
 openntpd is not in debian squeeze, I'm thinking to replace ntpd with
 chrony.

I have no special preference over the two packages but openntpd is 
available from squeeze-backports.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 08:57:37, The Wanderer wrote:
 
 Admittedly, not presenting the user with such a prompt at all would be less
 off-putting than either, but we may not be able to avoid that unless we 
 relegate
 the ability to control partitioning/filesystems to the full expert install - 
 and
 there may well be people who would prefer to handle their own partitioning, 
 but
 would not be comfortable with all the details of the expert install process.

One shortcut could be added: if the system has only one mass storage 
device[1] display a simple prompt to choose between wiping everything 
(and doing a all-in-one partition install without other questions asked) 
or proceeding to partitioning as usual.

[1] more than one mass storage device can mean that the user has at 
least some knowledge of partitions and also the risk of doing something 
wrong is too big.

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Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:05:41 -0400, Doug wrote:

 On 09/11/2012 11:16 AM, Tom Rausner wrote:
 Hi.

 tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 16:40 +0200, skrev maderios:

 Hi
 I bought uefi motherboard 1 year ago. It works well with squeeze weezy
 and sid. UEFI changes nothing.
 Thanks for the help. I'm buying an UEFI-board. Just wanted to be sure I
 wouldn't get any bad surprises.

 Why not report back after you have installed an OS on it.

Because sometimes feedback is needed (he does not want to spend ~$100 USD 
and then throwing the motherboard -or returning the item to the shop- 
because it has some incompatibility with linux).

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Re: how to uninstall gnome totally?

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:33:11 -0700, houkensjtu wrote:

 I have been using ubuntu for a while and now I decided to switch to
 debian. Here is my question:
 If I download a debian CD with GNOME desktop system, how can I totally
 uninstall it? I found a lot relating package in aptitude and I was
 confused.

Better than removing is not installing (once a full DE is in, it's hard 
to remove). A better approach would be using the expert installer mode 
and do not select the desktop task.

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Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD

2012-09-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 13 sep 12, 00:49:03, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:36:08AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
  I have experimented with pulseaudio to reroute audio to a different 
  machine via the network, but the setup seemed too complicated and 
  fragile for me so I just use the laptop's speakers for the occasional 
  youtube video or so.
 
 mpd and mpc no good? I see mpd only suggests pulseaudio.

$ hostname -f
think.nuvreauspam
$ echo $MPD_HOST
rpi.nuvreauspam
$ mpc
Radio Guerrilla - La Unica Radio Con Cojones: MUSE - Madness
[playing] #1/2   0:25/0:00 (0%)
volume:100%   repeat: onrandom: off   single: off   consume: off
 
 Disclaimer: I haven't personally tried mpd over a network, but I will
 eventually be looking at it. 
 
IMNSHO mpd is the best solution for running a multimedia server 
controlled over the network. However, it doesn't help for the occasional 
youtube video. XMBC might (it has a youtube plugin), with the added 
benefit of using my big screen 1080p TV for the video part ;)

 There is also rplay-server and rplay-client, but again, see the
 Disclaimer.

Doesn't look interesting to me.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread The Wanderer

On 09/12/2012 09:55 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:


On Mi, 12 sep 12, 08:57:37, The Wanderer wrote:


Admittedly, not presenting the user with such a prompt at all would be less
 off-putting than either, but we may not be able to avoid that unless we
relegate the ability to control partitioning/filesystems to the full expert
install - and there may well be people who would prefer to handle their own
partitioning, but would not be comfortable with all the details of the
expert install process.


One shortcut could be added: if the system has only one mass storage 
device[1] display a simple prompt to choose between wiping everything (and

doing a all-in-one partition install without other questions asked) or
proceeding to partitioning as usual.


But how do you phrase such a prompt so that it won't be confusing (or otherwise
off-putting) to our hypothetical user who has no idea what a partition is?

As I understand the discussion so far how to avoid putting off that hypothetical
user is precisely the issue at hand.


[1] more than one mass storage device can mean that the user has at least
some knowledge of partitions and also the risk of doing something wrong is
too big.


There's also the consideration that an all in one partition install isn't
necessarily the smartest thing in the first place - a separate /tmp/ at the very
least would seem like a good idea. But the question of what the default the
user didn't want to handle partitioning at all configuration should be is a
separate one, and I may not know as much about the subject as I think I do.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 23:45 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 09:52:47PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  don't install German language packages. To post English output of
  commands on a German mailing list wouldn't be good.
 
 Don't you mean German output?

That's what's needed for a German mailing list, but many mailing lists
are in English only. Just a few lists are in German.

 Anyway, to post English output if your locale is non-English, just
 prepend LC=C before the command.
 
 e.g % LC=C apt-cache policy zsh-beta

Yes, but how do I get German output, when I'm using English only? And
for GUI applications, how do I know what the menus are named etc.? I
would have to install language packages for each app. Why should I do
this? Just to join a German mailing list, with a small community, while
I anyway have to join many English mailing lists?

I tried to do the translation of Qtractor and perhaps I'll do it this
year or at the beginning of next year. However, I don't have much time
and it's very time consuming, because IMO many things are hard to
translate, the English words are much better, than German terms.

Regards,
Ralf

PS: libmp3lame0 is a replacement for gstreamer0.10-lame and it's in the
official repositories?


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Re: Removing Pulseaudio with Gnome: volume control missing

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:58:16 +0200, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote:

 Recently I installed Debian on a new computer, and I want to avoid using
 Pulseaudio (it is problematic for me, and this is a long discussion on
 this and another lists about that).
 
 I tried to uninstall it, and certainly, I have no problem: I have sound
 but I don't have any volume control on my Gnome. I know that the Gnome
 volume control relays on Pulseaudio, but is there any wait to get a
 volume control for Alsa on the Gnome panel?

Mmm... gnome-media package contains the gnome-volume-control 
application, but this is only available for Squeeze. 

Wheezy has gnome-alsamixer.

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Re: Removing Pulseaudio with Gnome: volume control missing

2012-09-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 11:14 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Mi, 12 sep 12, 09:58:16, José Luis Segura Lucas wrote:
  Hi all!
  
  Recently I installed Debian on a new computer, and I want to avoid using
  Pulseaudio (it is problematic for me, and this is a long discussion on
  this and another lists about that).
  
  I tried to uninstall it, and certainly, I have no problem: I have sound
  but I don't have any volume control on my Gnome. I know that the Gnome
  volume control relays on Pulseaudio, but is there any wait to get a
  volume control for Alsa on the Gnome panel?
 
 A quick 'apt-cache search' shows at least two interesting candidates:
 
 gnome-alsamixer - ALSA sound mixer for GNOME
 alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver

Many people want at least a master volume for the panel. IIRC somebody
found a solution, it's somewhere in the Ubuntu Studio users or dev
archives. My recommendation is to keep a fixed master volume. Sane
volume control is done by the apps and by the external gear, e.g. an
amplifier. I suspect that laptops have knobs to adjust the volume too.
There's a sane operating range for the output level of an audio card.
It's not wise to misuse this level adjustment as volume control.

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Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD

2012-09-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 09:36 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 [1] I have experimented with pulseaudio to reroute audio to a
 different machine via the network, but the setup seemed too
 complicated and fragile for me so I just use the laptop's speakers for
 the occasional youtube video or so.

I don't have experiences myself with it, but many people do use it:
http://netjack.sourceforge.net/

Regards,
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Re: [OT] Re: workforce 645 printer can't find other network assets

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:38:50 -0700, Gary Roach wrote:

 On 09/11/2012 09:34 AM, Camaleón wrote:

 I went through the info you gave me and have installed the
 epson-inkjet-printer-201106w_1.0.1-1lsb3.2_i386.deb driver file.  I
 also have Xsane installed. I still get  Failed to start scanner:
 Error during device I/O errors. My XP handles the scanner fine.
  
 I don't know where that deb file comes from but it looks for the
 printer not the scanner. Anyway, did you read the mentioned forum post?

 I read the posts. 

Mmm... maybe, but either you read it too fast or simply overlooked the 
one I indicated :-P

(hint: the interesting part of the forum thread starts at post #9)

 The deb file came directly from Epson. It was listed as the driver for
 the Workforce 645 printer. I assume that the scanner driver should be
 included. Maybe not?

(...)

That file is for the printer and I guess you got it from OpenPrinting but 
you need the Epson packages to get all functions of the AIO running.

(hint: Epson provides two .deb packages directly from their site)

 And I already gave you some hints (yes, also for this :-P):

 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/09/msg00472.html


 1. I checked the router. The instructions say that the router is setup
 to allow wireless printing. 

I don't know why it means wireless printing for the router context. 

 In addition, my XP wireless works fine for print and scan. It also
 shows up on the scan control console.

But IIRC, you said none of the computer clients were able to be detected 
from the the device itself, is this still true? Is any of your computers 
detected from the Epson AIO?
 
 2. I ran the network connection test from the scan console. I shows
 everything OK.

So you press the test button and the result is OK! and that's all? :-?
 
 3. I will run the ethernet test asap. I am having severe back pain at
 present and really don't want to crawl around under the computer table.
 I'll see if I can't patch it from the top. I'lll be back with this.

Okay, it would be interesting to know if using an ethernet cable the AIO 
device can properly see the clients from its panel.

 4. All printing from all computers ( Win2k accepted) works fine. I
 haven’t checked the fax functions yet. The ink level indicator never
 seems to work but not worth fooling with.

Okay. For the rest of the functions I guess you will have to make use of 
the Epson provided set of tools.

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 09:09 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 feel free to correct my English ...
... off-list

Perhaps I'll add such a signature to mails I'll write in the future.
This is a good idea.

Regards,
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Re: KDE suspend / hibernate just executes the screensaver

2012-09-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 07:39 +0200, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
 I am running Mint

And I'm running AV Linux. I experienced that AV Linux is more Debian,
than Mint is ;). Andrei already explained in German, that the help you
can get from Debian users is limited. Mint isn't Debian, while AV Linux
is Debian, but cobbled together, something that's also has it's
drawbacks.

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Re: [OT] web hosting server files

2012-09-12 Thread lina
On Tuesday 11,September,2012 11:37 PM, Denis Witt wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:27:08 +0800
 lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am not clear how to password protect my file/folder.
 
 Hi Lina,
 
 assuming the server is running Apache follow this howto:
 http://www.elated.com/articles/password-protecting-your-pages-with-htaccess/
 
 The Apache config has to allow AuthConfig (AllowOverride AuthConfig)
 for the directory you want to protect, but it's very unusual to
 disallow this.

Hi,

Thanks for the link, I followed it and built the .htpasswd .htaccess

Ha ... not works as I expected. is it due to

# AllowOverride controls what directives may be placed in .htaccess files.
# It can be All, None, or any combination of the keywords:
#   Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
#
AllowOverride None

in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf ?

Thanks again,

Best regards,

 
 Best regards
 Denis Witt
 
 


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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 23:16 -0400, Celejar wrote:
 Um, you snipped this line:
 
 These extra packages provide support for a few rarely used codecs

Even if you install all codecs that are available for Linux, you are not
able to join every video from the Internet.
Consumers need more codecs than are available for Linux. The rarely is
relatively.

 This hardly results in a serious issue for all Linux distros.

Yes, consumers can't consume, but that's what they want.

 [snipped rest of message, which does not deal with actual codecs, but
 other software that some users may consider essential.]#

Yesno, there was also more about codecs. CD ripping!

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Re: Setting /sys/block/sdb/device/max_sectors permanently to 128 for specific device

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:15:51 +0200, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

(...)

 Googling provided a solution which seems to work [1][2] which consists
 in setting max_sectors to 128 istead of the default 240.
 
 I can do that as root manually but I'd like to have it done
 automatically when the device is mounted. My understanding is that a
 udev rule has to be created, I would appreciate some help on:

The second link you sent provides some hints for the udev rule (see 
comment #12 and/or #74), you may only have to accomodate the rule for 
your Debian version.

 - Where to put the rule

Udev rules go under /etc/udev/rules.d/.

 - What to put as the vendor (link [2] mentions vendor) and how to
 discover it so that the rule only applies to that very device.

(...)

You can use something like udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/block/
sdb | grep -i vendor to find out.

More info about udev:

http://wiki.debian.org/udev

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Re: KDE suspend / hibernate just executes the screensaver

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:39:23 +0200, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:

 I am running Mint LMDE with incoming repos = basically debian testing.

Basically? Mmm... :-)

 On the commandline I can suspend and hibernate the computer with
 pm-suspend and pm-hibernate. But when I click on the Suspend or
 Hibernate button in the KDE exit dialog only the screensaver gets
 started.
 
 What is missing?

It sounds like a possible bug from one of the kde workspace packages. 
AFAIK, those buttons are not meant to be editable by the user and my 
guess is that both call some kind of d-bus command (→ powerdevil) to 
suspend/hibernate the system which is failing here.

I would report this at your distribution bug tracking system.

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Re: hearse crontab message

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:06:12 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

 Anyone know what this means?
 1+ 09/12 Cron DaemonCron root@d-216-36-20-9 perl -we 'sleep
 rand 3600'; hearse --quiethearse: size of unsigned long is 8 rather
 than 4  This message doesn't come up every day but does come up a few
 times a week.

There's a bug report in Debian BTS:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290937

The source of the problem is explained there :-)

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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread steef

On 11-09-12 22:17, Lisi wrote:


Since Squeeze I think that Debian has removed itself from this market.  The
main repository and kernel contain only FLOSS software.  I.e. many drivers
are missing and have to be separately installed.  This is beyond a total
newbie, and I think could not be rendered easily attainable by attaching a
set of instructions.  So sadly, I have come to the conclusion that I must
recommend e.g. Linux Mint if any newbie who wishes to self-install were to
ask me for my opinion.

.

Lisi




dear lisi,

i do not agree or at the best partly. i have not yet forgotten the days 
of potato and/or woody when i had to chooese and install the 
internetdrivers etc. etc. after that installing debian became much more 
simple in my humble opinion. even so simple that many of the earlier 
users were afraid debian developped direction windows (which it did not) 
and moved on to bsd. (i still have a bsd distro on one of my hd's)


so, allthough i am biased by the use of debian over many years, i think 
i kept enough objectivity to conclude that an interested any/somebody 
can install debian without any trouble at all and taste the richness of 
this distro.


with the kindest regards,

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Re: [OT] web hosting server files

2012-09-12 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 23:03:13 +0800, lina wrote:

 On Tuesday 11,September,2012 11:37 PM, Denis Witt wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:27:08 +0800
 lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am not clear how to password protect my file/folder.
 
 Hi Lina,
 
 assuming the server is running Apache follow this howto:
 http://www.elated.com/articles/password-protecting-your-pages-with-htaccess/
 
 The Apache config has to allow AuthConfig (AllowOverride AuthConfig)
 for the directory you want to protect, but it's very unusual to
 disallow this.
 
 Thanks for the link, I followed it and built the .htpasswd .htaccess
 
 Ha ... not works as I expected. is it due to
 
 # AllowOverride controls what directives may be placed in .htaccess
 files. # It can be All, None, or any combination of the keywords: # 
  Options FileInfo AuthConfig Limit #
 AllowOverride None
 
 in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf ?

Most likely... More reading:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html

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Re: Install Debian on a UEFI-motherboard ?

2012-09-12 Thread Tom Rausner
Hi.

tir, 11 09 2012 kl. 20:05 -0400, skrev Doug:

 Why not report back after you have installed an OS on it.

Yeah, why not. The board comes in a pile of stuff I've orderet. It
should be here monday so I should get it done some time next week.

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Missing Files Prevent Installation/Execution of Applications

2012-09-12 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I am in the midst of changing distributions for reasons that aren't really 
germane to this note.

I have installed Debian-6.0.5-amd64 on my Dell Inspiron Laptop in VM 
VirtualBox 4.1.22.  I am having problems installing/running two  applications:  
MGLTools-1.5.4-Linux-86_64-install and PyRx-Linux-x68-Install (both are 
available from www.scripps.edu).

MGLTools installs without any problems,but when I try to run I get:

computation@debian:~/Applications/MGLTools-1.5.4/bin$ ./adt
setting PYTHONHOME environment
Run AutoDockTools from 
/home/computation/Applications/MGLTools-1.5.4/MGLToolsPckgs/AutoDockTools

Welcome to Python Molecule Viewer!
Visit http://mgltools.scripps.edu/documentation to read latest documentation.

Resource file used to customize PMV: 
/home/computation/.mgltools/1.5.4/Pmv/_pmvrc
opengl extension GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil is not present
X Error of failed request:  BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  14 (X_GetGeometry)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x6200032
  Serial number of failed request:  4436
  Current serial number in output stream:  4436

The PyRx instalation process gives me:

computation@debian:~/Applications$ ./PyRx-0.9-Linux-x86-Install
invalid command name bind
while executing
::unknown bind Text Tab
(uplevel body line 1)
invoked from within
uplevel 1 $next $args
(procedure ::obj::Unknown line 3)
invoked from within
bind Text Tab
(procedure ::InstallJammer::InitializeGui line 19)
invoked from within
::InstallJammer::InitializeGui 
(procedure ::InstallJammer::InitInstall line 63)
invoked from within
::InstallJammer::InitInstall
(file /installkitvfs/main.tcl line 38527)

I think that I know enough to realize that there are missing libraries.  
However, while I have been a linux user for a number of years now, I am not an 
OS type of individual and have no idea what I need to install to get these 
applications to run on Debian.

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [OT] How to redirect input/output to another console?

2012-09-12 Thread lee
Alex Robbins alexdotrobb...@gmail.com writes:

 That said, I started with screen and then switched to tmux, which is an
 actively developed rewrite of screen (and is BSD licensed).  It has many
 technical and objective improvements over screen, and, additionally, it
 has proven a much better alternative in my personal experience.

Cool, thanks :) I've been using screen and now I'm trying tmux, which
looks very promising --- I've never heard about it before.

There has been an updated package of screen in testing a few weeks
ago. Its version seems to have changed with that, so perhaps development
of screen hasn't stopped.


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Re: Installation

2012-09-12 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:28:18 +0200, lee wrote:

 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 In my planet, yes. Everybody I know uses Windows (starting from my
 mother and ending with my company partners).
 
 That someone uses it doesn't mean that they are able to fix problems.

 The simply usage (by pure definition) confers the user some degree of 
 expertise and while it may not generate Windows geniuses it will allow 
 at least some basic control about how an operating system works.

Windoze is designed to take away the users control of everything as much
as possible. Most people using it don't care about how things work or
anything related to that. If they did, they wouldn't want to have
windoze on their computers ... They just want the software running they
think they need, and when you even change the look of an icon they are
in major trouble because they don't know anymore what button to
press. That's usage, they act like robots programmed to press the
right buttons at the right time. They are not able to fix any
problems. If it gets too bad, they re-install and start over from
scratch.

 Today, most of the user-friendly Linux distributions you can find out
 there (Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, Debian...) are as easier to install
 and deal with as can be Windows or MacOS in the event they all have to
 be installed from scratch.
 
 My experiences with that are very different.

 In what way?

It can be ridiculously difficult to install Debian. Last time I did, it
took a whole day and a day before that to make preparations intended to
enable me to install it without having internet access and without
having a working computer at hand. Before that, it took a few days to
find out what I would need to do, i. e. how to make sure that the
wireless card hopefully works. The wireless card turned out to be no
problem because I was prepared --- and it might not have worked at all,
there was no way to tell in advance. What didn't work was the very
simple thing of making a RAID-1 from two whole disks and install onto
the RAID-1. I tried a number of different things and nothing
worked. Finally I gave up and resorted to having a partition not on the
RAID-1. There were lots of other little details I don't remember.

For the clueless user, it would have been impossible to install it.

I've seen broken Debian installers that couldn't find packages. I've had
installer CDs that couldn't be read for some reason, so I had to drive
an hour to the place I worked at to make a new ones and drive an hour
back.

I've seen not totally clueless windoze users sitting with me in front of
their computer, looking at the Debian installer and asking me How do
you know which keys to press?. It's a totally valid question. I just
know which keys to press, the clueless user doesn't. How are they
supposed to know?

 It's the other way round. People using windoze don't know how to fix
 problems, they live with them. 

 It will depend on the problem because some problems cannot be avoided: 
 you solve it or you're completely hosed because your system is not able 
 to start :-)

Just re-install and start from scratch, that's what everyone does. That
you have to do that all the time is one of the reasons why I'm not using
it.

 Then look around for solutions to problems you can have with Linux, and
 you will find lots of answers and even solutions.

 And more problems, unsupported hardware, outdated applications...

More problems? I don't know about that. You can even get bugs fixed the
next day on a weekend when you report one. What commercial software has
support that good? You have the source code, too, so you can even fix
them yourself. Unsupported hardware, yes, you have to be picky about
what you buy --- which isn't bad because you avoid crappy hardware which
is too likely to give you problems to be worth it. Outdated
applications? Yes, some packages in Debian are rather old. So I got
emacs and fvwm and compiled them myself; how more recent can you get?

 It's not about finding helpful people. It's what people have been made
 to believe.

 I don't think so. Windows and Linux are both having their own pros and 
 cons, and of course, both do have problems of different nature but 
 problems you have to solve in the end. There are no trouble-free OSes.

People believe that they can solve problems they have with windoze and
don't believe they can solve problems they have with Linux, and they
believe they don't have problems when they have a Mac.

 There isn't anyone who could solve a problem they might have with
 windoze. Ask even an MSCE, and the only thing they say is I don't
 know.

 I'm a long time Windows user and there was only one time when I
 contacted MS official support which finally did not solve my issue and
 I had to figure out by myself.
 
 I've made the same experience, except that I don't use windoze unless I
 get payed for it. Nobody solves problems with windoze.

 Maybe is that you haven't 

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