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El Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:52:27 -0500, academia escribió:

 Hola lista. Necesito algún software, herramienta (o cómo desde una
 terminal) poder encriptar y desencriptar un md5.

Con openssl te debería bastar.

OpenSSL Command-Line HOWTO
http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/

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Re: Grub no detecta ArchLinux

2012-11-30 Thread tahawk tahawk

Sí, sí, estoy usando Grub2. Por eso no puedo crear un menuentry y ya está
porque a la que actualice me lo borrará.

PD: Si no os importa agregadme en CC porque no estoy suscrito a la lista.
Gracias!

Re: Planet planet

El Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:52:57 -0500, Jo Sé escribió:

 Hola que tal?
 
 Hoy quisiera preguntarles si alguno sabe donde me puedo documentar de
 como crear un planet de blogs, al estilo de http://planet.debian.org/,
 aunque preferiblemente asi. http://planet.gnome.org/

(...)

Pues descargas el paquete de la página del proyecto¹ (o eliges otro 
software que te guste más), lo instalas y listo :-?

¹http://www.planetplanet.org/

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Re: Grub no detecta ArchLinux

El Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:23:32 +0100, tahawk tahawk escribió:

 Hola lista,

Holas, pero deja el html en casa, graciaaasss :-)
 
 Ayer instalé la distro ArchLinux para hacer pruebas en un sistema donde
 convive con Debian Wheezy y Win XP. Como no quería hacer una partición
 para /boot cada sistema tiene su /boot en su partición. 

Buena decisión.

 El problema es que si ejecuto grub-install y update-grub desde Debian
 me detecta Windows pero no Arch. Y si ejecuto grub-install y update
-grub desde Arch me detecta Windows pero no Debian.

¿Para qué ejecutas grub-install? :-?

 ¿Qué debo hacer para que desde Debian me detecte el /boot de la
 partición de Arch y me aparezca en el menú de Grub?

Bueno, lo que tiene que hacer GRUB2 no es detectar la partición /boot 
donde tienes el otro GRUB2 sino detectar que tienes otros sistemas 
operativos instalados y encadenar ambos GRUB2 (chainload).

Asegúrate de que tienes instalado el paquete os-prober, al menos en 
Debian y date una vuelta por los bugs que hay para ese paquete:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=os-prober;dist=unstable

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Re: Autenticacion en Squid

El Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:04:43 -0500, Josué Marrero Bermúdez escribió:

 Tengo implementado en la red de mi empresa un proxy con squid3 con
 autentificacion , todo funciona como debe ser, pero ahora me gustaria
 habilitar la opcion  de que solo solicite autenticacion en algunas IP y
 en otra NO. O incluso pudiera ponerlo que solo autentifique cuando se
 solicite una URL fuera del dominio .cu
 
 He tratado de encontrar algo en Google pero no consigo nada que me
 ayude.

(...)

Hum... la wiki de Squid es bastante completa y con ejemplos prácticos de 
configuración:

http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/Authenticate/Bypass

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Guía para enviar mensajes en texto plano en gmail

2012-11-30 Thread Darío

Hola lista, dejo una pantalla para que se vea dónde se tiene que
seleccionar el envío de mensajes a la lista y demás en texto plano y
no HTML.

Acá se puede descargar:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70002083/sin_HTML.png

Espero sirva

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Re: Guía para enviar mensajes en texto plano en gmail

El Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:27:40 -0300, Darío escribió:

 Hola lista, dejo una pantalla para que se vea dónde se tiene que
 seleccionar el envío de mensajes a la lista y demás en texto plano y no
 HTML.

(...)

Y no sólo en Gmail :-)

En la wiki de Debian está documentado:

Cómo enviar mensajes a la lista usando un formato de texto plano
http://wiki.debian.org/es/DebianMailingLists#C.2BAPM-mo_enviar_mensajes_a_la_lista_usando_un_formato_de_texto_plano

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Re: Guía para enviar mensajes en texto plano en gmail

2012-11-30 Thread Darío

El día 30 de noviembre de 2012 13:34, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:27:40 -0300, Darío escribió:

 Hola lista, dejo una pantalla para que se vea dónde se tiene que
 seleccionar el envío de mensajes a la lista y demás en texto plano y no
 HTML.

 (...)

 Y no sólo en Gmail :-)

Es verdad Camaleon, pero era para los que usan gmail y de una vez se
hace. Igual hasta ahora no tuve problemas de visualización para con
los mensajes en HTML, ni en el webmail ni en Icedove.

 En la wiki de Debian está documentado:

 Cómo enviar mensajes a la lista usando un formato de texto plano
 http://wiki.debian.org/es/DebianMailingLists#C.2BAPM-mo_enviar_mensajes_a_la_lista_usando_un_formato_de_texto_plano

 Saludos,

Saludos!


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Re: Guía para enviar mensajes en texto plano en gmail

El Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:46:53 -0300, Darío escribió:

 El día 30 de noviembre de 2012 13:34, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 Y no sólo en Gmail :-)
 
 Es verdad Camaleon, pero era para los que usan gmail y de una vez se
 hace. Igual hasta ahora no tuve problemas de visualización para con los
 mensajes en HTML, ni en el webmail ni en Icedove.

Yo tampoco tengo problemas para ver los correos en formato html desde 
lectores de correo que admiten el formato html. El problema lo tengo 
cuando uso clientes de correo que NO admiten formato html, obviamente 
;-)

Además, para las listas de correo que son de distribución masiva, cuanto 
menos código tengas que transmitir a miles de personas, menos sufre el 
servidor de correo ¿no crees?

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Re: Guía para enviar mensajes en texto plano en gmail

2012-11-30 Thread Darío

 El Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:46:53 -0300, Darío escribió:

 El día 30 de noviembre de 2012 13:34, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 Y no sólo en Gmail :-)

 Es verdad Camaleon, pero era para los que usan gmail y de una vez se
 hace. Igual hasta ahora no tuve problemas de visualización para con los
 mensajes en HTML, ni en el webmail ni en Icedove.

 Yo tampoco tengo problemas para ver los correos en formato html desde
 lectores de correo que admiten el formato html. El problema lo tengo
 cuando uso clientes de correo que NO admiten formato html, obviamente
;-)

 Además, para las listas de correo que son de distribución masiva, cuanto
 menos código tengas que transmitir a miles de personas, menos sufre el
 servidor de correo ¿no crees?

Completamente de acuerdo, además de que pesan mucho es más facil de
leer y no le veo necesidad alguna al HTML para correos de la lista.

 Saludos,

Saludos!


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Re: Software, herramienta para encriptar y desencriptar un md5

-10!

1.- Un MD5 no se puede descifrar
2.- Existe la orden md5 (y la sha) para generar los hashes. Pa que
coño enredas la marrana con scripts PHP?

2012/11/29 Dámaso Payares lordel...@gmail.com:


 El 29 de noviembre de 2012 14:39, Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com
 escribió:

 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  acade...@pinarte.cult.cu wrote:
 
  Hola lista. Necesito algún software, herramienta (o cómo desde una
  terminal) poder encriptar y desencriptar un md5.

 Md5 es un hash, no se puede desencriptar y devolver el mensaje original.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function

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 con php-cli [1] y el la consola ejecutas el archivo creado, ejemplo creas el
 archivo md5.php con lo siguiente:

 ?php
 $str = Hello;
 echo md5($str);
 ?

 y el la consola ejecutas:  md5.php

 [1] http://php.net/manual/es/function.md5.php




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Re: Software, herramienta para encriptar y desencriptar un md5

-10!

1.- Un MD5 no se puede descifrar
2.- Existe la orden md5 (y sha) para generar los hashes. Pa que coño
enredas la marrana con scripts OpenSSL Howtos?


2012/11/30 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:52:27 -0500, academia escribió:

 Hola lista. Necesito algún software, herramienta (o cómo desde una
 terminal) poder encriptar y desencriptar un md5.

 Con openssl te debería bastar.

 OpenSSL Command-Line HOWTO
 http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/

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Re: Software, herramienta para encriptar y desencriptar un md5

+1! :-)

2012/11/29 Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  acade...@pinarte.cult.cu wrote:

 Hola lista. Necesito algún software, herramienta (o cómo desde una
 terminal) poder encriptar y desencriptar un md5.

 Md5 es un hash, no se puede desencriptar y devolver el mensaje original.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function

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Re: Software, herramienta para encriptar y desencriptar un md5

+1! :-)

2012/11/29 Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com:
 2012/11/29  acade...@pinarte.cult.cu:

 Hola lista. Necesito algún software, herramienta (o cómo desde una
 terminal) poder encriptar y desencriptar un md5.


 Mande...

 man md5

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Re: Software, herramienta para encriptar y desencriptar un md5

El Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:45:07 +0100, Troll Debian escribió:

No hagas top-posting que tú no eres nuevo en la lista ;-)

 2012/11/30 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:52:27 -0500, academia escribió:

 Hola lista. Necesito algún software, herramienta (o cómo desde una
 terminal) poder encriptar y desencriptar un md5.

 Con openssl te debería bastar.

 OpenSSL Command-Line HOWTO
 http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/

 -10!
 
 1.- Un MD5 no se puede descifrar

Querido Troll, si participaras más activamente en esta lista ya habrías 
aprendido a leer entre líneas. Por desencriptar se entiende verificar.

 2.- Existe la orden md5 (y sha) para generar los hashes. Pa que coño
 enredas la marrana con scripts OpenSSL Howtos?

No sé de qué scripts hablas (antes de escribir burradas deberías leer a 
lo que respondes). Y también te convendría aprender a usar el comando 
openssl para comprobar la suma de verificación de un archivo. 

Ains... Trolls, dios los cría y ellos se arrejuntan.

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problemas con dualidad de sistemas

2012-11-30 Thread Salvador Martín

hola lista

tengo un problema con una PC que está corriendo debian y windows. el
tema es que actualicé a window 8 y el grub desapareció y por supuesto
no tengo como bootear por debian alguien sabe como reinstalar el grub
sin necesidad de reinstalar debian y mantener windows.

Gracias por adelantado
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Re: problemas con dualidad de sistemas

2012-11-30 Thread alexissaucedo

Apt-get grub2 ni no me equivoco, busca reinstalar grub por apt no se si 
funcionara en tu caso a mi me servia cuando instalaba en la particiin 
equivocada, te toca descargar un live cd y hacerlo desde adentro.

Saludos! 
Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/)

-Original Message-
From: Salvador Martín salvador.martin...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:18:38 
To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Subject:  problemas con dualidad de sistemas

hola lista

tengo un problema con una PC que está corriendo debian y windows. el
tema es que actualicé a window 8 y el grub desapareció y por supuesto
no tengo como bootear por debian alguien sabe como reinstalar el grub
sin necesidad de reinstalar debian y mantener windows.

Gracias por adelantado
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Re: problemas con dualidad de sistemas

2012-11-30 Thread Alejandro Ramírez

El vie, 30-11-2012 a las 22:18 -0500, Salvador Martín escribió:
 hola lista
 
 tengo un problema con una PC que está corriendo debian y windows. el
 tema es que actualicé a window 8 y el grub desapareció y por supuesto
 no tengo como bootear por debian alguien sabe como reinstalar el grub
 sin necesidad de reinstalar debian y mantener windows.
 
 Gracias por adelantado
 -- 
 Saludos,
 
 Salvador Martín B.
 
 

Hola Salvador ...

Puedes usar un liveCD, te recomiendo el 

Super Grub Disk 2  http://www.supergrubdisk.org/

Ahí tiene una guía para reinstalar el Grub en el mbr ...

Aquí te dejo una guía desde Ubuntu ... 

http://www.guia-ubuntu.org/index.php?title=Recuperar_GRUB 



Saludos, espero te sirva la información ...

Alejandro Ramírez ...




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Mensagem de conflito de ip Squeeze

2012-11-30 Thread Marcelo

Bom dia,

Hoje perdí algumas horas em um servidor até descobrir que seu ip estava sendo 
usado por uma antena wireless.
Uma hora funcionava outra caía... até eu descobrir que um infeliz havia 
colocado o mesmo número.

Não achei nenhuma mensagem no squeeze me alertando deste conflito.
Existe algum pacote? alguma mensagem específica que eu possa monitorar e me 
avisar?


Abraços,
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Re: Mensagem de conflito de ip Squeeze

2012-11-30 Thread Rodolfo

Tentou com dmesg ?

Em 30 de novembro de 2012 09:18, Marcelo msala...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Bom dia,

 Hoje perdí algumas horas em um servidor até descobrir que seu ip estava
 sendo usado por uma antena wireless.
 Uma hora funcionava outra caía... até eu descobrir que um infeliz havia
 colocado o mesmo número.

 Não achei nenhuma mensagem no squeeze me alertando deste conflito.
 Existe algum pacote? alguma mensagem específica que eu possa monitorar e
 me avisar?


 Abraços,
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Re: Mensagem de conflito de ip Squeeze

2012-11-30 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato


Em 30-11-2012 11:18, Marcelo escreveu:

Bom dia,
Hoje perdí algumas horas em um servidor até descobrir que seu ip estava sendo 
usado por uma antena wireless.
Uma hora funcionava outra caía... até eu descobrir que um infeliz havia 
colocado o mesmo número.
Não achei nenhuma mensagem no squeeze me alertando deste conflito.
Existe algum pacote? alguma mensagem específica que eu possa monitorar e me 
avisar?


Olá!

Não é possível saber, pois quando algum programa tenta 
comunicar com seu IP e o switch sabe (cache) em qual porta está este IP 
e envia o pacote para esta porta, mas como este cache é pequeno e 
atualizado constantemente, ora o pacote IP vai para o servidor, ora vai 
para o outro dispositivo. O meio mais seguro é uma DMZ e usar switches 
gerenciáveis (20x o valor da comum):


internet --- FW1 --- SW-DMZ --- FW2 --- SW-LAN --- rede local

Na SW-DMZ você liga seus servidores e SW-LAN as máquina da 
rede, impressoras, pontos de acesso wi-fi, etc. Assim você evita uma 
rede interferir na outra, a menos que na LAN usem o IP do FW2, aí entra 
a switch gerenciável onde você pode especificar MAC/IP/PORT e usar 
VLANs, podendo isolar uma rede da outra com apenas um switch.


Uma forma de monitorar seria a de uma máquina na rede ficar 
pingando ou requisitando determinado serviço de tempos em tempos, se 
falhar, é possível saber de qual MAC veio o retorno ou se não veio o 
retorno, houve um drop do pacote, aí pode enviar um e-mail, SMS, piscar 
luzes, o que sua criatividade conseguir...



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Debian Üzerinden Wireless Access Point Oluşturma

2012-11-30 Thread Bekircan Ağaoğlu

Merhaba.
Konu hk. Türkçe döküman bulamadım.
Şimdi; elimde iki tane wlan cihazı var. wlan1 ve wlan0

 wlan0 pci, wlan1 usb

wlan1 üzerinden internet bağlantısını kullanıyorum. Yapmak istediğim şey
wlan1 üzerinden kullandığım interneti wlan0 üzerinden yayın yapmak. Nasıl
yapabilirim?

Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy

2012-11-30 Thread Sharon Kimble

Since yesterday mid-morning my notifications have changed back to ones
similar to Gnome/XFCE being a black box with white text in it, which is
saved to a notification file in the status bar. Previously my notifications
from LXDE were light grey blocks with black text which weren't apparently
logged at the desktop.

Can anybody help me please to regain my LXDE styled notifications? I've
tried googling but without much success.

Thank you
Sharon.
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watch and beep

2012-11-30 Thread Paweł Ch .

Hi list,

I would like to hear beep when command output watch dig @ns.domain.tdl
domain.tdl soa appear with string 2012113005.
Which command performs this task.


Thanks

Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

 Any hints are welcome!

Look in the debian installation manual.
I am saying that because Debian is able to use a freeBSD kernel, so there
should be informations about how to install that flavor.

I can not help more, I never tried other multi-boot than Debian/wXP (c)
and this works automatically.


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wlan interface problem

2012-11-30 Thread Mostafa Hashemi

Hi all
I am using Debian 6 squeeze on my vaio fw235j with an intel wireless card
. This is not recognizable by my OS.
This is the output of rfkill :

root@debian:~# rfkill list
0: sony-wwan: Wireless WAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes
root@debian:~# rfkill unblock all
root@debian:~# rfkill list
0: sony-wwan: Wireless WAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes
1: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes
root@debian:~#

There is no changes 

What should i do ?

Thanks

Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

 Taking the specification of `trillions' of installs as a slight
 exaggeration and not the combined efforts of multiple generations, I find
 that GAG, a Spanish-based GPL effort, is quite comfortable booting as

Do you mean that Spanish-based GPL efforts are gags
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag)?

Ok, ok, I know, here is the door...


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Re: wlan interface problem

 What should i do ?


 Thanks

Checks if the driver is correctly installed? (if I am not wrong, #lsmod
should give you a list of modules on your machine)


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debmirror balks on armhf, when adding armhf to i386,amd64 archive pool

2012-11-30 Thread Zenaan Harkness

When I try to add armhf to my local debmirror archive, I get these
sorts of errors:

dists/wheezy/non-free/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/2012-08-12-0215.28.gz
failed sha1sum check, removing

Do I need to look into dak, or something else, or should debmirror be
able to cope with these 3 archs at the same time?

host: wheezy amd64

$ nice /usr/bin/debmirror --source --exclude='/Translation-.*\.bz2$'
--exclude-deb-section=games --exclude-deb-section=debug
--exclude-deb-section=news --verbose --progress
--arch=i386,amd64,armhf
--section=main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
--dist=wheezy,sid --host=ftp.au.debian.org --method=http --root=debian
/public/debian/debian
Mirroring to /public/debian/debian from http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/
Arches: i386,amd64,armhf
Dists: wheezy,sid
Sections: main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free
Including source.
Pdiff mode: use
Will clean up after mirroring.
Attempting to get lock ...
Updating remote trace files (using rsync) ...

receiving incremental file list
./
project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org
 104 100%  101.56kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=2/6)
project/trace/mirror.linux.org.au
 282 100%3.67kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#2, to-check=1/6)
project/trace/syncproxy.wna.debian.org
 270 100%3.47kB/s0:00:00 (xfer#3, to-check=0/6)

sent 214 bytes  received 991 bytes  185.38 bytes/sec
total size is 656  speedup is 0.54
Getting meta files ...
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release...  #** GET
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release == 200 OK (6s)
ok
[  0%] Getting: dists/wheezy/Release.gpg...  #** GET
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg == 200 OK
ok
gpgv: Signature made Fri 30 Nov 2012 19:18:56 EST using RSA key ID 473041FA
gpgv: Good signature from Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(6.0/squeeze) ftpmas...@debian.org
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release... #** GET
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release == 200 OK (1s)
ok
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/Release.gpg... #** GET
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg == 200 OK
ok
gpgv: Signature made Fri 30 Nov 2012 19:19:01 EST using RSA key ID 473041FA
gpgv: Good signature from Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key
(6.0/squeeze) ftpmas...@debian.org
[  0%] Getting: dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.diff/Index...
  #** GET 
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.diff/Index
== 200 OK (1s)
...

tia
zenaan


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Re: how many users is enough?

Le Jeu 29 novembre 2012 22:56, Slavko a écrit :
 Hi,


 DÅa Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:35:07 + Jon Dowland j...@debian.org
 napÃsal:


 Slavko phrased it as 'Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched', which
 does not imply that packages only existing in Ubuntu and not Debian are
 considered in that 7%.

 I want no flame, i want point that compare the Ubuntu and Debian (in
 mean of contribution and packaging) has different base only.

 b. Some small percentage of Debian packages need to be tweaked to
 accommodate minor differences between the Ubuntu and Debian
 environments.

 So 7% of packages are tweaked, but that says nothing about how big
 the tweaks are, which was my point.

 I did search and i found the source, here it is:
 http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/22/how-ubuntu-builds-up-on-debian/


 The numbers are 2 years old, and can be different now. But, IMO, the
 exact numbers are not fundamental here.

 Now where the number of users/contributors might really come into
 play is when it comes to maintaining/developing those aspects of Debian
 and Ubuntu that are unique to the respective distros (e.g., their
 installers and package repositories).

 One of the most important contributions one can make to Debian is to
 find, diagnose, test and fix bugs. They can exist in any package in the
 repository, not just those that are OS-specific, or particularly heavily
 customized in each OS - and how well that process works is directly
 impacted by the number of users.

 You are right, of course, bug hunting is simplest contribution. A lot
 of people think, that for contribution they must know C, C++ or similar.
 But testing  bugreporting can be done by anyone (only English is
 needed). But, it can be sometime terrible. I have one package in mind - the
 lightdm and its autologin feature - communication with maintainer was
 terrible and caused, that i will don't fill bug for this package in
 future.
I remember to have used bugreport sometimes (2, IIRC, with identified
solutions). But I do not remember having any responses :)
I wonder if it is possible to access a true bug tracker, which can allow
some following.

 And finally, there is this user mail list, where can be contribution
 done too - by helping to others :-)

 This last point of contribution is essential in Ubuntu/Debian
 comparing. The Ubuntu users seems to be more visible by amount of their
 forums, mail lists, articles, etc. The Ubuntu's howtos and articles helps
 are mostly useful for Debian too.
I think it depends on the problem you have. Usually, I am navigating
between 2-3 distro's resources depending on the difficulty of the
problem/question I have:
_ Ubuntu for common problems with easy solutions
_ Arch  gentoo for problems related to deep tinkering and rarely used
softwares/configurations, like tiling window managers or configuring the
computer to make TTY1 behaving as a light display manager.

 But i latest time i read something about
 commercialization of the Ubuntu (if i proper remmeber, Cannonical tell
 something about new OS, but Linux based), i am not sure how this Ubuntu's
 users contribution will be in future and who will be profit from it.
I think there is no problems if they make another OS commercialized.
Sounds like (at least, they claim that) they have problems with making
money with their actual and their tries to insert money-generating
features in it does not sounds so popular.
Maybe they should follow the red-hat's way, but for basic users instead
of professionals.


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libvxssl.so missing

2012-11-30 Thread ml ml

Hello List,

i basically have this problem:

- http://www.symantec.com/connect/de/forums/cannot-launch-vrtsralus-agent-5204
- http://www.tremka.com/showthread.php?12063-Cannot-launch-VRTSralus-Agent-5204

I am looking for libvxssl.so in order to get my symantec backup client
running. And YES i already searched on packages.debian.org

Any idea where libvxssl.so comes from? I cant even find a project page
to compile it myself from source :-(

Thanks,
Mario


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Re: wlan interface problem

2012-11-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Vi, 30 nov 12, 13:14:45, Mostafa Hashemi wrote:
 Hi all
 I am using Debian 6 squeeze on my vaio fw235j with an intel wireless card
 . This is not recognizable by my OS.

You probably need the firmware-iwlwifi package. Install it, reboot and 
if you still have problems post the output of 'lspci -nn'.

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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 10:46 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
  Taking the specification of `trillions' of installs as a slight
  exaggeration and not the combined efforts of multiple generations, I find
  that GAG, a Spanish-based GPL effort, is quite comfortable booting as
 
 Do you mean that Spanish-based GPL efforts are gags
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag)?
 
 Ok, ok, I know, here is the door...
 

;)

There's an image in the Wiki, that could cause a flame war on that list:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Gag-overthemouth-lorelei-kibf903.jpg/220px-Gag-overthemouth-lorelei-kibf903.jpg

And a link to a Wiki with a picture that that is outrageous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ball_gag1.jpg

Be careful!

I explicitly distance myself from this, as I distance myself from the
Palestine statement. But I'll apologize that my thread Boot loaders for
Linux that can also boot FreeBSD does lead to women with gags.

/;)

I also apologize in the name of the German folks for our Government,
regarding to the decision that Guido Westerwelle does not vote for
Palestine and this isn't a joke, I'm really ashamed that this sucker
does appear for Germany.


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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 10:42 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
  Any hints are welcome!
 
 Look in the debian installation manual.
 I am saying that because Debian is able to use a freeBSD kernel, so there
 should be informations about how to install that flavor.
 
 I can not help more, I never tried other multi-boot than Debian/wXP (c)
 and this works automatically.

Isn't it strange that there's so much noise against Windows, but that
it's that easy to have a multi-boot with Linux?

PS: I have to explain this from my previous mail:
as I distance myself from the Palestine statement
It's missing that I do this for a statement from somebody else in
another thread, but for the mail I've written before, about Palestine
and Guido W. I'm serious. He's a sucker and I'm ashamed. The German folk
does not want our Government to act like this.


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Re: Implementing Zimbra Collaborative Space on Debian 64 bit

2012-11-30 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Thursday 29 November 2012 12:59:56 Harshad Joshi wrote:
 If yes, please mail me..this mailing list replies are for some reasons not
 received on gmail.

How odd.  I get all the postings except my own via Gmail.  And I get my own if 
I send them via my ISP's smtp server instead of via Gmail's.

Lisi


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Re: linux-vserver (or equvalent) in wheezy

2012-11-30 Thread shawn wilson

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
 On 08/06/12 08:58, Darren Baginski wrote:

 07.06.2012, 23:45, Adrian Fitaadrian.f...@gmail.com:


 I think that would be Linux Containers (LXC): http://wiki.debian.org/LXC.


 Looks promising. Is there any infrastructure around yet?
 I mean init scripts for auto start , /etc/ files like the same for
 linux-vserver ?


 Have a look at libvirt:


yes, but how good is libvirt's support for lxc? i was under the
impression this was pretty limited and i only see lxc mentioned three
times in the virsh man page.


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Re: Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 08:40 +, Sharon Kimble wrote:
 Since yesterday mid-morning my notifications have changed back to ones
 similar to Gnome/XFCE being a black box with white text in it, which
 is saved to a notification file in the status bar. Previously my
 notifications from LXDE were light grey blocks with black text which
 weren't apparently logged at the desktop.
 
 
 Can anybody help me please to regain my LXDE styled notifications?
 I've tried googling but without much success.

I was able to fix an issue for my Xfce, when using Evolution by
following this:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/204390/evolution-the-background-of-messages-is-always-grey

I still get those evil notifications myself, but perhaps it can be
solved in a similar way for Xfce and LXDE as the issue for Evolutions
bad colours can be solved.

Soon or later we all will be forced to use Unity or GNOME3. Current
Evolution 3.6 and current Xfce 4.10 used together does lead to slow
performance, the need to delete ~/cache. every few minutes, spam can't
be filtered etc. pp.. This is for other installs that are more up to
date than Debian is, but I don't expect that Debian will become better
than other distros in the future. Upstream will force us by insane
dependencies to do everything that is decided by Red Hat and GNOME,
alternatively we can choose what Mr. Shuttleworth does enforce. I don't
upgrade old Linux installs any more and for good reasons I take a look
at FreeBSD after using Linux only for around 10 years.

FUD? If people think so, they don't know what's going on.

Have fun!
Ralf


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Re: how many users is enough?

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:16 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 On 11/30/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  I would describe the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian like this:
 
  Without Debian there would be no successful Ubuntu, but without Ubuntu
  there still would be a successful Debian.
 
 This is true, Debian being what it is, a community based, largely
 volunteer effort, it shall continue regardless of the profit or not of
 any particular company.
 
 I sure hope to see the day that Ubuntu announces a true profit though,
 the more companies that survive, which companies also make some
 contributions to the libre software ecosystem, the better.


I started with Suse 9.0, when Suse wasn't Novell. Novell, Red Hat and
Mark Shuttleworth killed Linux, time to look out for other *NIX or to
follow them. The variety of Linux already is dead.

Take a look at the thread Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy
for Xfce an issue too.

FUD? Again, people might chose applications that don't have insane
dependencies, MUAs without a GUI etc., but we don't have the freedom to
use what app we want, as it was possible in the past.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: wlan interface problem

2012-11-30 Thread Gean Ceretta

- Original Message -
From: Andrei POPESCU
Sent: 11/30/12 08:28 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: wlan interface problem

 On Vi, 30 nov 12, 13:14:45, Mostafa Hashemi wrote:  Hi all  I am using 
Debian 6 squeeze on my vaio fw235j with an intel wireless card  . This is not 
recognizable by my OS. You probably need the firmware-iwlwifi package. Install 
it, reboot and if you still have problems post the output of 'lspci -nn'. Kind 
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Re: how many users is enough?

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 11:07 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
 I have one package in mind - the
  lightdm and its autologin feature - communication with maintainer
 was
  terrible and caused, that i will don't fill bug for this package in
  future.
 I remember to have used bugreport sometimes (2, IIRC, with identified
 solutions). But I do not remember having any responses :)
 I wonder if it is possible to access a true bug tracker, which can
 allow
 some following.

Some people from upstream treat users like idiots. I don't use bug
trackers, I even don't mention all the current bugs any more. All bugs
caused by e.g. pulseaudio, systemd, upstart, GNOME dependencies are
features, no bugs.

OTOH, regarding to applications there are coders who care a lot about
the users, e.g. Rui Nuno Capela. If you e.g. report a bug to Qtractor
devel, it usually takes less than an hour and the bug is fixed, you only
have to compile Qtractor from svn and build the package yourself.

YMMV!


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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

Le Ven 30 novembre 2012 11:21, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
 On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 10:42 +0100, Morel BÃ©renger wrote:

 Any hints are welcome!


 Look in the debian installation manual.
 I am saying that because Debian is able to use a freeBSD kernel, so
 there should be informations about how to install that flavor.

 I can not help more, I never tried other multi-boot than Debian/wXP (c)
  and this works automatically.

 Isn't it strange that there's so much noise against Windows, but that
 it's that easy to have a multi-boot with Linux?
The noise is about the fact that this s* operating system think he
have rights to say that he must be the only one to boot, and so you have
to install it before any other one, or to reinstall your boot loader in
the MBR every-time you reinstall Windows.
And it is a fact that at least winXP have to be reinstalled frequently to
stay fast, on a programmer computer at least. Ok, at least, on MY
computers, but I have heard that I am not the only one to face such
problems.

[OT]

 PS: I have to explain this from my previous mail:
 as I distance myself from the Palestine statement
 It's missing that I do this for a statement from somebody else in
 another thread,
Yes, I had some fear to see another outrageous xenophobia title spawn,
but I was just not able to not joke on a so easy text :P
I can not learn how to forgot jokes...

 but for the mail I've written before, about Palestine and
 Guido W. I'm serious. He's a sucker and I'm ashamed. The German folk
 does not want our Government to act like this.

This is so common that governments does not act like their people would
like, when they are elected.


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Re: how many users is enough?

Le Ven 30 novembre 2012 11:49, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
 On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:16 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

 On 11/30/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 I would describe the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian like
 this:


 Without Debian there would be no successful Ubuntu, but without
 Ubuntu
 there still would be a successful Debian.

 This is true, Debian being what it is, a community based, largely
 volunteer effort, it shall continue regardless of the profit or not of
 any particular company.

 I sure hope to see the day that Ubuntu announces a true profit though,
 the more companies that survive, which companies also make some
 contributions to the libre software ecosystem, the better.


 I started with Suse 9.0, when Suse wasn't Novell. Novell, Red Hat and
 Mark Shuttleworth killed Linux, time to look out for other *NIX or to
 follow them. The variety of Linux already is dead.
Hum...
As far as I know (and as distrowatch say), there are still many linux
distributions. I like variety, or to be more exact, Debian teach me to
like it, but I only like it when I can see and understand the difference
between choices.
I am still a linux newbie, and I still only have really experienced one
distro, but as a newbie I can say that I do not see the difference between
distributions, and so, I do not see why I should try another binary one.

Ah, yes, package's age, package's system (but I do not know the difference
in terms of power between rpm and deb, by example) and graphical
configuration system (someone said me on a developpez.com thread).

So, well, I agree, less choice. But was there real differences between all
of those old distros?
I think less choice is sometimes a requirement to help people doing a true
choice.
Do you know why I firstly choosed Debian? It have the reputation of a hard
to install distro, and at that time I thought I was good with computers. I
managed to install it the first time, without manual or problems. But I
had no graphic interface, and even if I was able to use command-lines (I
was accustomed to DOS) I had no clue about what to do to install Xorg.
Well, I did not even known that it exists :D (strange: now I'm really
better in computer sciences, but I think/claim everywhere that I am a
newbie. Times and people change...)
Some months later, I bought a magazine shipping live ubuntu. I tried it. I
did not liked it's desktop and so returned to my good old xp (or was it
98se?).
But it made me aware that it was possible to have convenient graphical
environment and easy installation systems for a linux-based OS. So, no,
Ubuntu did not killed linux.
And honestly, Ubuntu and Fedora can not choose for Debian or gentoo, by
example. Each distro should follow it's own way, and if there ways
converge, so maybe that's not so useful to have tons of distros.

 Take a look at the thread Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy
 for Xfce an issue too.

 FUD? Again, people might chose applications that don't have insane
 dependencies, MUAs without a GUI etc., but we don't have the freedom to use
 what app we want, as it was possible in the past.

With XFCE, at least in 4.08 and 4.10, it is possible when I was using
them. You can install any file manager, window manager, notification
daemon/plug-in you want, if it fills freedesktop's recommendations, it
will integrates well with the DE. If not, you can use it, but I do not
know if it will be comfortable. Never tried.

Of course, you can install the xfce4 meta package, which have hard
dependencies on all major XFCE4 components.
But the truth is that XFCE4 package is not needed. When I was using it, I
was accustomed to say to aptitude to select it, and then in preview, I
removed it, and set the dependencies it have as manually installed.
I always thought it should have no dependencies, only recommendations, but
never reported that idea.
There is also xfce4-core, for minimal meta-package shipping only basic
components.
I perfectly remember that there was a package named xfce-notify or alike.

In XFCE, there is also a configuration system that allow you to change
their appearance quite easily.
However I can not describe how to change the config, because:
_ I did not used xfce since so many time
_ my menus were in French
_ how to describe an icon when themes can be customized? How to describe
how to clic? In French, I use a neologism to describe the kind of
softwares that MS have so much knowledge to do: cliquodrom (from clic and
velodrome ;)). They are easy to use mouse-only softwares, but hard to
teach the use with just text, because their appearance can change
depending on so many parameters. And I do not like them, of course :D

XFCE have a central library set, so there are common dependencies. But
LXDE avoid them, that's their leitmotiv and it explains why I am still
using some of their softwares, instead of DE independent alternatives
(leafpad and lxterminal to be exact).

Maybe in the past, there were more choices.

Re: Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy

2012-11-30 Thread Sharon Kimble

I do have Evolution installed, but I've never run it as I regard it as the
spawn of the devil! :) I just want to get rid of the file that's recording
all the emails and other notifications on the desktop, then I'd die happy!
I've just rebooted to test a theory of mine that its related to my desktop
settings, so time will tell.

Thanks
Sharon.

On 30 November 2012 10:38, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote:

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 08:40 +, Sharon Kimble wrote:
Since yesterday mid-morning my notifications have changed back to ones
similar to Gnome/XFCE being a black box with white text in it, which
is saved to a notification file in the status bar. Previously my
notifications from LXDE were light grey blocks with black text which
weren't apparently logged at the desktop.

Can anybody help me please to regain my LXDE styled notifications?
I've tried googling but without much success.

I was able to fix an issue for my Xfce, when using Evolution by
following this:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/204390/evolution-the-background-of-messages-is-always-grey

I still get those evil notifications myself, but perhaps it can be
solved in a similar way for Xfce and LXDE as the issue for Evolutions
bad colours can be solved.

Soon or later we all will be forced to use Unity or GNOME3. Current
Evolution 3.6 and current Xfce 4.10 used together does lead to slow
performance, the need to delete ~/cache. every few minutes, spam can't
be filtered etc. pp.. This is for other installs that are more up to
date than Debian is, but I don't expect that Debian will become better
than other distros in the future. Upstream will force us by insane
dependencies to do everything that is decided by Red Hat and GNOME,
alternatively we can choose what Mr. Shuttleworth does enforce. I don't
upgrade old Linux installs any more and for good reasons I take a look
at FreeBSD after using Linux only for around 10 years.

FUD? If people think so, they don't know what's going on.

Have fun!
Ralf

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Re: how many users is enough?

 Some people from upstream treat users like idiots. I don't use bug
 trackers, I even don't mention all the current bugs any more. All bugs
 caused by e.g. pulseaudio, systemd, upstart, GNOME dependencies are
 features, no bugs.
Trollday? :P

 OTOH, regarding to applications there are coders who care a lot about
 the users, e.g. Rui Nuno Capela. If you e.g. report a bug to Qtractor
 devel, it usually takes less than an hour and the bug is fixed, you only
 have to compile Qtractor from svn and build the package yourself.

I would like to have a professional job on an open source project, that
should be very instructive and nice for motivation. (In fact, even simply
being able to work on a linux system could make me happier).
But I think that only rare projects have paid developer, and so that bugs
can take time to be solved.
They can also be very complex depending on the software context.

Honestly, I wonder why people use pulseaudio, systemd, upstart, GNOME if
they are so bugged?
If people are serious about that, I can only say: ok, so, let's move to
alternatives. You'll see if things are better, and if yes, you can keep
them.

But the serious about the work is not an open-source only problem. Some
people just see their interest, other love their work. I do not know how
to explain that in English, words I know lacks nuances.


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Re: how many users is enough?

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 13:05 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
 I would like to have a professional job on an open source project,
 that should be very instructive and nice for motivation.

It's a balancing act. Did you think about Google? Google is evil and
good at the same time and they always seek for staff all over the world.
Not everything has to be open source, to support open source.

As I've written for the howto. We do violence to NAZIs where I'm living,
but we also forgive, when they stop being NAZIs and don't care about bad
tattoos etc..

IMO it's possible to work for Google, even if you don't like many parts
of Google's policy.

We aren't living in a world like this:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=degs_rn=0gs_ri=hpcp=6gs_id=1xxhr=tq=my+little+ponybav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.bpcl=39314241biw=1152bih=729um=1ie=UTF-8tbm=ischsource=ogsa=Ntab=wiei=-6S4UJWYIojzsgbb8IDgCQ


There even is open source for Windows, not by Microsoft, but from Windows users.
Linux isn't the only FLOSS on this planet.


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Re: watch and beep

2012-11-30 Thread Kumar Appaiah

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 09:31:33AM +, Paweł Ch. wrote:
I would like to hear beep when command output watch dig @ns.domain.tdl
domain.tdl soa appear with string 2012113005.
Which command performs this task.

How about:

while true; do
if dig @ns.domain.tdl domain.tdl soa| grep -q 2012113005; then beep; fi
sleep 2;
done

beep is available in the beep package.

Kumar
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Re: how many users is enough?

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 13:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 As I've written for the howto

not howto, but for the the other mail

Pardon, I'm in a hurry.



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Re: watch and beep

2012-11-30 Thread Paweł Ch .

Thanks

On 30 November 2012 12:26, Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 09:31:33AM +, Paweł Ch. wrote:
 I would like to hear beep when command output watch dig
 @ns.domain.tdl
 domain.tdl soa appear with string 2012113005.
 Which command performs this task.

 How about:

 while true; do
 if dig @ns.domain.tdl domain.tdl soa| grep -q 2012113005; then beep; fi
 sleep 2;
 done

 beep is available in the beep package.

 Kumar
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Ubuntu one login @ Win7

2012-11-30 Thread oxy

Hi,

I could install Ubuntu one on my win7 but cannot
login to my account with it. It says: Login failed.

Also on ubuntu it was not quite free of problems,
but it worked.

Does anyone here use ubuntu one on win7 or win xp?

How is your experience?

Is it a beta project?

Best...


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Re: Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 12:01 +, Sharon Kimble wrote:
 I do have Evolution installed, but I've never run it as I regard it as
 the spawn of the devil! :)

Once upon a time GNOME was a good project.



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Re: OT: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

Le Ven 30 novembre 2012 13:09, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
 On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 12:21 +0100, Morel BÃ©renger wrote:

 This is so common that governments does not act like their people would
  like, when they are elected.

 In Germany they decide how much their employee's wages is and they also
 decide how much money they'll get each month for the rest of their live
 when they are voted out of office. The amount of money we pay, even when
 they are voted out of office is unbelievable high, while a worker from the
 folk has not enough money to eat when doing hard work  8 hours a day. We
 are the riches country in Europe, but a lot of people are in need, many
 people can't pay medical care, child poverty comes close to the third
 world. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That Germany is such a
 rich country is because we have a few very rich people, the majority isn't
 rich and in some areas, e.g. the Ruhrgebiet nearly half of the people has
 not enough to eat, can not pay medical care. But especially the poor
 people from the area where I'm from, the Ruhrgebiet, empathise with
 children in Palestine, since we know how it is, if you don't have enough
 to eat. Btw. we quasi don't have neo-NAZIs among the Ruhrgebiet folks! We
 simply do violence to NAZIs and not chain of beacons against NAZIs or just
 talk about them in tearooms!

I do not know if situation in France is the same. But I do not think, we
still have an efficient social system.
I said still, because recent laws have cut many of this.

The usual tactics is to show an inequality (like the differences of time
when people can stop to work) and to solve it, remove the advantages of
advantaged people. Of course, they do not say that those people have
harder work and/or less money at end of month.
Ah, also, they say: look at insert a country here. Those guys do the
right thing, let's do the same, we need money! the nice thing was when
sarkozy decided that he deserved a +160% augmentation. He did that when
people were in holidays, of course.
But people have voted for him, and he did a good job for a king. Divide to
rule.
While people do not understand that, United Europe will only means
regressions for everyone.

About hatred... I noticed that often, nationalists have higher scores in
deep campaigns, where there is less than 1% of colored skins, and which
perfectly speak (aka without any accent). The point is that in those
campaigns, people only know immigration through television. And those
televisions are often linked to people with power and interest in divided
people.

Sometimes I think people deserves what happens. Our last elections were a
very nice joke, again. Our actual president claim to be a socialist (from
left side as we say here) unlike his predecessor, but he is doing the same
thing. But he did not lied, he had tell to people that he'll do...
I can't understand people. I guess this is why I prefer computers, they do
not lie :D


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Re: Notifications changed in LXDE under wheezy

2012-11-30 Thread Erwan David

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:05:20PM CET, Ralf Mardorf 
ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com said:
 On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 12:01 +, Sharon Kimble wrote:
  I do have Evolution installed, but I've never run it as I regard it as
  the spawn of the devil! :)
 
 Once upon a time GNOME was a good project.
 

in a galaxy far far away ?


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Re: how many users is enough?

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 12:55 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote about settings
for desktop environments.

Some distos, e.g. Arch Linux don't install X by default.

But now to the settings. Usually you have a mix of GTK and QT
applications, so it also wasn't that easy to set up fonts and colours in
the past. You can't simply do the settings for the desktop environment
you use and expect it will be ok for all applications, but today we are
in a situation where we get more and more complete incompatibilities.

Some hard dependencies are simply unneeded.




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Re: Kobo or Kindle

2012-11-30 Thread Johann Spies

On 29 November 2012 10:13, David Williams da...@acuron.us wrote:

 Kindle just mounts like a USB Jump drive right?


Yes, but I hardly ever use directly from the commandline as a usb-device.
I use Calibre to manage the files on my Kindle and it works like a dream.

Regards
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Re: how many users is enough?

 IMO it's possible to work for Google, even if you don't like many parts
 of Google's policy.
It is possible to work for every people imho, when you need food and home.

 There even is open source for Windows, not by Microsoft, but from Windows
 users. Linux isn't the only FLOSS on this planet.
Well, even Microsoft started doing open stuff.
If I am not wrong, .NET have documented specifications, and I ~think~ they
are also doing some free softwares.
And I know that they have, at least, started to follow some standards they
did not made.


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Re: Ubuntu one login @ Win7

2012-11-30 Thread oxy

hey, sorry for this wrong post here ...

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Hi,

I could install Ubuntu one on my win7 but cannot
login to my account with it. It says: Login failed.

Also on ubuntu it was not quite free of problems,
but it worked.

Does anyone here use ubuntu one on win7 or win xp?

How is your experience?

Is it a beta project?

Best...


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[EVOLUTION] Issue with mistakenly rejected SSL certificate

2012-11-30 Thread Abou Al Montacir

Hi all;

Yesterday, evolution complained about my ISP SSL certificate was not
valid and asked me to accept it or to reject it. I've mistakenly
rejected SSL certificate, but since could not connect anymore to the
server. It keeps giving me error messages: Could not connect to
imap.sfr.fr: Input/output error

I've tried with [1] and also with [2] and can see that it connects using
telnet -z ssl howver openssl shows that the certificate date has
expired. I do not know how to cope with this as I can not find any
option to recover my mistake.

Can anyone help please?

PS: Please keep me in copy as I'm not subscribed to d-u@l.d.o.

[1] $telnet -z ssl imap.sfr.fr 993
Trying 93.17.128.92...
SSL: Certificate has expired
notAfter=Nov 29 16:43:13 2012 GMT
Connected to imap.sfr.fr.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ ID X-FORWARD AUTH=PLAIN
AUTH=LOGIN SASL-IR COMPRESS=DEFLATE] msfrf2416 Cyrus IMAP v2.3.16 server
ready

[2] $openssl s_client -connect imap.sfr.fr:993 -showcerts
CONNECTED(0003)
depth=2 C = BE, O = GlobalSign nv-sa, OU = Root CA, CN = GlobalSign Root
CA
verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain
verify return:0
---
Certificate chain
 0 s:/C=FR/ST=PARIS/L=PARIS/OU=PFS_FIXES/O=SOCIETE FRANCAISE DU
RADIOTELEPHONE SFR/CN=imap.sfr.fr
   i:/OU=Organization Validation CA/O=GlobalSign/CN=GlobalSign
Organization Validation CA
-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-
MIIFgDCCBGigAwIBAgILAQABLJi2I5wwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwajEjMCEG
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 1 s:/OU=Organization Validation CA/O=GlobalSign/CN=GlobalSign
Organization Validation CA
   i:/C=BE/O=GlobalSign nv-sa/OU=Root CA/CN=GlobalSign Root CA
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Re: Kobo or Kindle

2012-11-30 Thread Johann Spies

On 29 November 2012 15:36, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote:
  Dear fellows,

 I have a Kobo and I like it pretty well. One issue I do have is that
 browsing through a large collection of books is a real pain. You can
 sort by title or author, but that is it, no support for a folder
 structure or similar. The Kobo software work well on wine, I think
 they are supposed to put out a Linux native version at some point (it
 uses QT4). For Kobo you only need to install their software, not
 Adobe, though Adobe works ok in Wine as well.


Have you tried using Calibre?  I did not need any Kindle software on my
Debian computer to manage my Kindle. Calibre does it all for me.


 Kobo at least is pretty terrible for PDFs. Slow, badly sized text, no
 reflow...Fundamentally PDF is not a good format for ebooks. I don:t
 know if the experience is better on a Kindle or similar.


Same on Kindle except when you format pdf for A6 pages.

I had some success converting pdf's to mobi format - escpecially when it
was created with latex with hyperref. I think Calibre first try to convert
it to html and then to epub or mobi or whatever format you prefer.




 Can't help with the remote stuff. Maybe Kindle's wispernet would be useful?


I have a Kindle Touch.  I do not use whispernet, but my local home
wifi-network and it works very nicely.  I can even send documents by email
to the Kindle or even from my Macbook' s Desktop using Amazon's Send to
Kindle software.  And then you can choose to which Kindle you want to send
it. I and my wife have both Kindles registered on the same account at
Amazon.  Then I also have a software Kindle on my mobile phone and on my
macbook.  I can use Send-to-Kindle to send a file to all of them.


 I find it surprising that people are recommending tablets and
 phones... IMHO phone are next to useless for any serious amount of
 book reading, they are just too small, and the tablets have the
 battery life issue. That is what is great about an ereader, you charge
 it like once a week tops.


I charge my Kindle once about once in a month or month and a half.

Regards
Johann

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Re: Ubuntu one login @ Win7

 I could install Ubuntu one on my win7 but cannot
 login to my account with it. It says: Login failed.

 Also on ubuntu it was not quite free of problems,
 but it worked.

 Does anyone here use ubuntu one on win7 or win xp?


 How is your experience?


 Is it a beta project?

Hum...
Just one question, why are you asking about Ubuntu on a Debian list?

But to answer to your questions anyway:

You are installing another operating system.
It means that it have a completely different setup, and same for
identification parameters.
It is exactly like you had 2 computers. There are some ways to let them
communicate, but not for things like global configuration.

Ubuntu is not free of problems, you are right. As all operating systems in
fact .(for any windows, you will have less performances for many
hardwares, by example, and difficulties to maintain the system up-to-date.
For linux distributions, you could have some drivers less efficient than
their windows counterpart, and depending on the distribution, things might
break with an update.)

No, Ubuntu is not a beta project. But it is based on a special version of
Debian which is not advised for professional uses. But as far as I know,
Ubuntu make some customizations on it.

You could have more detailed replies on the good mailing-list, aka an
Ubuntu one.


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Re: [EVOLUTION] Issue with mistakenly rejected SSL certificate

2012-11-30 Thread Darac Marjal

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:40:34PM +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
 Hi all;
 
 Yesterday, evolution complained about my ISP SSL certificate was not
 valid and asked me to accept it or to reject it. I've mistakenly
 rejected SSL certificate, but since could not connect anymore to the
 server. It keeps giving me error messages: Could not connect to
 imap.sfr.fr: Input/output error
 
 I've tried with [1] and also with [2] and can see that it connects using
 telnet -z ssl howver openssl shows that the certificate date has
 expired. I do not know how to cope with this as I can not find any
 option to recover my mistake.
 
 Can anyone help please?

This best thing to do is to write to your ISP and get them to renew the
certificate. That should prompt Evolution to ask you again for the new
certificate.



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Re: Kobo desktop (native)

2012-11-30 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02:18PM -0300, Beco wrote:
 (1) Native
 # dpkg -i kobo-desktop.deb
 (Reading database ... 308087 files and directories currently installed.)
 Preparing to replace kobo-desktop 2.1.3-1 (using kobo-desktop.deb) ...
 Unpacking replacement kobo-desktop ...
 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kobo-desktop:
  kobo-desktop depends on libusb-0.1-4.
  kobo-desktop depends on libpng3.
  kobo-desktop depends on libjpeg62.
  kobo-desktop depends on libzip1.
  kobo-desktop depends on libssl0.9.8.
 
 dpkg: error processing kobo-desktop (--install):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  kobo-desktop

Hmmm why bother with non-official :-)

Just install calibre.

I use it just under Debian only (No windows.)

Here are some info source (Some are in Japanese) I use.

My advise is backup ! and reset it often so it does not accumulate junks
to slow down it further.  It is slow.

(FYI: I am enjoying Soseki Natsume and G.H. Wells now !
Late 19th and early 20th centuty is quite interesting.)

usbnet:
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/mjt/20120721/p1

telnet:
http://www.ekesete.net/log/?p=5197
English summary
http://www.chauveau-central.net/pub/KoboTouch/

PRIMARY INFO English
http://ccoffing.net/tech/embedded/kobo/
http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kobo_Touch_Hacking

EXT SD card
http://www.richud.com/wiki/Kobo_eReader_touch


J Summary!
http://www49.atwiki.jp/kobotouch/ Japanese unofficial wiki
http://zapanet.info/kobo/


Do not have this but here are useful URLs
http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/Watcher/20120806/414542/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_Touch




http://d.hatena.ne.jp/mjt/20120721/p1
http://lin.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2012-07-26
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Kenji_s/20120826/kobo_setup
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Kenji_s/20120904/kobo_sshd
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Kenji_s/20120905/kobo_usbnet

http://tkamada.blogspot.jp/2012/08/kobo-touchgoogle-analytics.html
http://blog.antenna.co.jp/CSSPage/2012/08/koboepub3.html




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OT: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 14:32 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
 Sometimes I think people deserves what happens.

I don't care about the adults. But the children are innocent. 

Douglas Adams OWTTE:

When they vote the president of the universe, most people thought that
they vote for the most worse dressed man in the universe.

Perhaps we should continue off-list or on the Debian off topic mailing
list.

I anyway will be outside the home in some minutes.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: [EVOLUTION] Issue with mistakenly rejected SSL certificate

2012-11-30 Thread Abou Al Montacir

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 13:49 +, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:40:34PM +0100, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
  Hi all;
  
  Yesterday, evolution complained about my ISP SSL certificate was not
  valid and asked me to accept it or to reject it. I've mistakenly
  rejected SSL certificate, but since could not connect anymore to the
  server. It keeps giving me error messages: Could not connect to
  imap.sfr.fr: Input/output error
  
  I've tried with [1] and also with [2] and can see that it connects using
  telnet -z ssl howver openssl shows that the certificate date has
  expired. I do not know how to cope with this as I can not find any
  option to recover my mistake.
  
  Can anyone help please?
 
 This best thing to do is to write to your ISP and get them to renew the
 certificate. That should prompt Evolution to ask you again for the new
 certificate.

I think they will do it anyway, however this will probably take
sometime, and I don't think my complain will change the duration.

However, I consider this a real bug in evolution, as many may use custom
servers with custom CA and one can always hit the wrong button. A good
SW should always provide a way to recover an error when possible.

For info: I've got the message for another mail account [1] (seems to be
per account not per server)

Cheers,

[1] SSL Certificate for 'smtp-auth.sfr.fr' is not trusted. Do you wish
to accept it?

Detailed information about the certificate:
   Issuer:   CN=GlobalSign Organization Validation CA -
G2,O=GlobalSign nv-sa,C=BE
   Subject:  CN=smtp.sfr.fr,O=SOCIETE FRANCAISE DU RADIOTELEPHONE -
SFR,OU=PFS_FIXES,L=PARIS,ST=PARIS,C=FR
   Fingerprint:  58:4c:00:37:cc:06:be:dd:c3:9d:d8:f8:77:39:e0:0b
   Signature:BAD


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printer utility precedence

2012-11-30 Thread james gray

printer utility precedence
working with squeeze 6.0 net install as illustrated here:
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

questione one:
what ?, is the precedence of services and or utilities to just print
using the command lp.
is it common for a person who is actually trying to learn to have to hand
write many docs from the OS just to set up a line printer.

There is installed hplip and am able to print a test page. and that is it.

actual real useful documentation for hplip is difficult to obtain with
numerous voices in a empty casket pointing at plethora of empty links. as
well as no one person is able to place in writing if hplip is GUI centric
or what ? if any thing in tying hplip into the existing system via scripts
and functions.

i would just as soon ship can hplip and work with cups.
but
what is the precedence in and of utilities and services to actually just
print.
i am not looking at any complex arraignment for a multi tiered office
environment.
would just like to print out docs. and learn something.

to sort through the options in docs that make up what seems to be a
plethora of options in mix and match, to figure out the jungle of options
to just work with the available services and utilities with tangible
documentation material.

thank your in advance for your assistance.

Re: how many users is enough?

On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 14:35 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
  IMO it's possible to work for Google, even if you don't like many parts
  of Google's policy.
 It is possible to work for every people imho, when you need food and home.

I'm jobless, I would work for Google, but never ever for McDonald's, not
regarding to the kind of work, I'm willing to flip over Hamburgers. I
don't agree with the policy of Google, but it's ethically tolerable for
my taste. I can eat a Hamburger from McDonald's, I could work one day
for McDonalds, but ethically I couldn't eat my whole life at McDonald's
or work a whole month or longer for this company.

Back to the topic. It's important to get more and more people using
Linux, not because Windows is a bad operating system. Windows 98se was
and XP still is a very good operating system. Microsoft simply is an
evil company. Bill Gates is an evil man.



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